protection

[lusty grotto]

but im thinking he means ST execute builds so hes gonna have sudden death

anyway

[slender bison]

Should we pick Battering Ram instead of Ravager after getting 4p set?

[lusty grotto]

battering instead of indom

keep ravager

[slender bison]

Got it. Thx

Feeling Ravager is a great rage filler

[jagged gust]

Sims seem to get into a bit of a cadence of 1 SS/TC/Revenge/Exe rotation in no specific order in execute range, then jumps over to a SS/Exe/SS/Exe rotation when good SS resets or high rage gen

[lusty grotto]

probably because of free revenges

but if anything you could ask Nome about it

[jagged gust]

I always try to put in a little work before bugging him with anything

[languid sorrel]

chip, do you prefer instigate or bloodsurge?

[jagged gust]

depends on mob count, bloodsurge takes a high count to be worth over instigate

[slender bison]

Kinda hard to do beefy pulls on 11+ without getting the healer killed

[jagged gust]

Depends on the dungeon really

[languid sorrel]

mind telling me which one you're running and when?

[jagged gust]

TOP? Lots of mini bosses and small packs, instigate good

same with sudden death, so says nome

[languid sorrel]

yeah, makes sense... and workshop too prob

well, done pushing for the day, time to sleep. Thanks for the answer guys, have a good one.

[jagged gust]

yeehaw

[round cliff]

i still dont know how to not rage starve w/ revenge

[slender bison]

Disrupting Shout over Show of Force?

[round cliff]

wtf no

[slender bison]

I'm in PUGs 🥺

[round cliff]

all of our spec tree talents r very very very good

the "weakest" is prob battering ram

[jagged gust]

Once I started holding TC til a rage threshold all my issues went away

[elder viper]

just curious how overheal% is calculated for ignore pain on logs if anyone knows

[round cliff]

explain urself

[jagged gust]

and with out stupidly high block uptime with set sometimes you just don't have to SB for a while and spend more rage on revenge

[round cliff]

in execute phase i clap on cd

and still starve myself

[jagged gust]

Ive been holding TC until I break a sub 60 rage threshold, think of it's function as similar to not pressing ramp until 110 rage

[round cliff]

i mean im always sub 60 rage in execute phase

cuz im starved

[jagged gust]

exe is great, but can't spam it without rage starving and breaking the loop

[round cliff]

so when DO i press it is what im trying to figure out

[jagged gust]

When you have enough rage banked that you still have a GCD afterwards to spend on revenge, when you don't have to worry about pressing revenge for a few GCDs due to higher priority abilities coming off CD or when you don't have enough rage to hit revenge

That's feelcraft btw, but I'm parsing 99s and basically never GCD lock except when I fudge my rage economy

[digital plume]

Does prot worry about Haste diminishing returns, or we still just slam as much as possible?

[jagged gust]

You get enough haste to have 100% blocked hits with SB uptime while specced in to the talent Into the Fray

afterwards it's a question for the sims

[compact silo]

is alchemist stone decent for prot?

[raw parcel]

I believe the consensus is that it's not.

It's in like D Tier, if I recall correctly?

[compact silo]

if i've only got one myth and one hero trinket, wouldn't it be better if I replaced the hero with full crafted stone?

[raw parcel]

Probably not, no. A good hero trinket beats a terrible myth one, as I understand it.

[compact silo]

and also is the trinket even legitimately good for any spec/class?

[compact silo]

well it is my bis tome of light

[raw parcel]

Then you absolutely don't wanna swap that out.

[compact silo]

ok

[compact silo]

and this?

[raw parcel]

I dunno, I only pay attention to the specs I play. Granted, doesn't appear to be a good trinket for any of those.

[prisma echo]

Guys how much i loose not taking Into The Fray. Its "feelcrafting" but i feel so much more stable with heavy repercusion. I feel i totally dont need to worry for shield block, have plenty of rage to drop into IP or Revange, im barelly rage starving with that. But everyone i see play ITF and i want to know should i start learning it and get used to it?

[narrow jay]

I keep 98% shield block up time while running ITF higher your haste the easier it is to keep it going without ever feeling rage starved.

[violet ginkgo]

it's not just shieldblock uptime you have to maintain, it's the blocked attack too. your shieldblock uptime could be 100% but if you getting hit a lot from behind that will be... not nice.

[snow crow]

is there a trick to gettting aggro on all the adds during last boss priory

or is just dps not apeing before you can reach them

[ionic fern]

They fixate.

[snow crow]

they HWAT

[ionic fern]

[snow crow]

i normally play ww so the adds just kinda explode

[ionic fern]

They will target random people

And go ham at them

You can't agro them.

Cc them and break the shield.

[sand condor]

Yup

[snow crow]

I feel vindicated

[sand condor]

Did.. people flame you for not aggroing them

[snow crow]

yea

it was a 4 tho

so everyone was different levels of noob

[slender bison]

Use Champ spear/Shockwave and they will melt near boss

I also use Arcane Pulse because nightborne warrior 🤓

[snow crow]

i had roar talented :c

just working on my sea legs to learn prot

[ionic nimbus]

ITF is more Dmg, but if u feel unsafe, just play HR

[limber galleon]

They are kamikazes. They will die regardless of what your team will do. Best thing is to all run same stairs/side with a Druid and vortex them

[frail ibex]

WE GOT THE MAGIC NUMBERRRR

[round cliff]

if u dont have enough rage to hit revenge then u dont have enough rage to hit execute

🤔

im parsing 84 while completely ignoring execute out of fear

i wonder if introducing execute could bump me to 99s

[jagged gust]

yeah I think that's purely a banked SD scenario, probably not worth mentioning

[fervent nymph]

hey all, Ive been spamming workshop for a weapon but no luck so far, has anyone had more success in other dungeons to obtain one?

[slender bison]

Spam DFC with frost dks

The axe is good too

[fervent nymph]

ok ty

[errant wagon]

Hey guys, in Cinderbrew the chargers who spawn the "Brew Drop", I am having an incredibly difficult time getting agro on the brew drops.
Is there something special about these adds?
The moment they spawn, I am pumping damage into them and they just sometimes refuse to take agro, and I'm having teamates die by getting meleed from them.

And like I'm pumping like any ol' prot warrior does 😵‍💫

Threat from brew drops: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a:72mjN8VadqMWbCGZ?fight=last&type=threat

[round cliff]

well i use SD

i dont sit with it banked forever

[round cliff]

its not rly a trick but you have to hit them frame 1

it can be tricky to yoink threat if you let the dps establish themselves on em

if they arent paint sniffers they'll aim the charges at the wall behind u so they spawn ontop of u

[jagged gust]

they move slow as snails

if people are getting bodied by snail paced puddles of beer, that's a them problem

[errant wagon]

LMAO, ok thank you kings

that makes me feel a bit better

yeah no one was really moving away from them and I was just trying to grab threat so.... probably can do better coordinating the charge direction tho

[round cliff]

@jagged gust so say ur in execute phase

every press of execute presses more than ur builders, and ur pressing execute more often than ur builders

im at 40 rage so i press revenge then execute to get 2 globals out of that 40 rage

nothing resets

am i forsaken by god?

[jagged gust]

Yeah instead of doing that, you should just do this

[potent imp]

yeah i love when my range dps make them charge the full length of the hallway.

[waxen frigate]

SLAM. JAM. SLAM. JAM. SLAM. JAM. SLAM. JAM. SLAM. JAM. SLAM. JAM. AND WELCOME TO THE JAM

[valid spade]

I'm always scared to press execute cos everything says it's bad then it's good

[potent imp]

press it if you die its a healer problem and you get to flame them for being bad

[waxen frigate]

This is actually always the answer

[slender bison]

NGL a lot of disc priests keep CDs for next dungeon. One said "LMAO I keep forgotting I have PW:barrier" 🤪

[unborn island]

What's the CD on barrier

I'm used to seeing it like, maybe twice per dungeon

[errant leaf]

3min

[valid spade]

Running with my friends and they said I don't do this enough

I keep saying mb

When it should what the fuck heal better

[little ermine]

you don't need no healing if the target's dead

[valid spade]

To be fair I meant more that execute damage wasn't brilliant but maybe I'm wrong and mixing arms and prot

I'll spam it more on Sunday

[limber galleon]

I find pwar very challenging 😥 why do people say it’s easy or recommend it to newbs on reddit and forums?

It’s fast paced, there’s lots of CDs, shield block runs out very fast, IP depletes faster than I can feed it

Tons of micro decisions on rage usage

[vale escarp]

Thats a lie, you still die from dots even If the target is dead

[neon elk]

It still requires a bit of practice and u need to track and manage few things, but ( might be biased) its still easier than vdh or bdk , but deffo not easiest, that would be druid i guess, less stuff to track

[wintry nymph]

'shield block runs out very fast', are you using into the fray?

depending on ur haste, it might be better to take Heavy Repercussions

bit easier to play with aswell

should get pretty easy atleast 90%+ uptime with that

[raw parcel]

With 4pc it's probably never gonna be a problem, but until you get it? It's rough.

[limber galleon]

Ok thank you for the suggestions

Definitely not an easy spec

[little ermine]

Then you did not execute hard enough :p

[pine junco]

stupid question, apologies if it's not the right spot, how often is Devour cast in M+? I can't seem to find the frequency for how often it comes up. Trying to see how often we can dispell it as a warrior.

[brazen python]

WoWhead guide Prot feedback: Rotation -> Rotation Explained Mountain: There is a wrong spellID

[final linden]

would you macro and of the dps CDs together ?

[unborn island]

We struggle to do it- dwarf racial works, and you can use impending victory to help get rid of it. It isn't worth spending into bitter immunity for it.

[pine junco]

thank you kindly, I'm a dwarf, so I'll just stick to using that

[unborn island]

What are people typically dropping for disrupting shout when they take it? I had to do it on short notice last night and it seemed like show of force was the most sensible option, just wondering if there's a better one?

(This was for the mass-bomb pull at the start of Mechagon)

[strong forum]

fixed

[strong forum]

show of force is the best point to drop ye

[neon elk]

Iirc it doesnt have a fixed timer , its on like 60sec loop that counts in combat and it can pop anytime in last 20 sec or something like that

[pine junco]

merci

[frosty cliff]

depends on what talents youre playing

definitely play into the fray unless you have like less than 10% haste, shield charge should be on cd, unless there's scenarios where you'd really like the long stun

IP uptime can be shit with demolish builds, mountain should have no issue, cuz youre stacking up DR from thunder blasts, you have demo shout super often, just overall more rage and DR, which makes IP run out less, since youre taking less dmg

mountain thane is pretty straight forward, you shouldnt really rage dump into revenge if you have thunderclap or shield slam up or you know youll need rage for IP (tank buster coming, bleed ticking, etc...)

demolish is a bit silly in this regard, you get 20% more ignore pain per cast, but youre squishier, you dont demo shout as often, especially if you take of thunderlord for show of force or disrupting shout, and to really get value out of demolish, you just spam the shit out of revenge

also when in doubt, shield wall

and dont sleep on spell reflect + demo shout

especially when you run out of IP, you can demo shout IP

[slender bison]

MT feels so much good and more fluid

[limber galleon]

I really like demolish so I'd like to stay as Colossus

[slender bison]

Colossus kinda annoying in dungeons with low density trash

[cerulean tusk]

No reason not to, so go ahead

[limber galleon]

it sounds silly but I like the flavor a lot 😄

[cerulean tusk]

Nothing silly about it, we enjoy what we like. We play what we enjoy in a video game

[frosty cliff]

ive started to play it too

it feels a bit clunky, but it made me realise how often you dont need IP

😮

priory perfect dungeon for demolish

[idle copper]

Last stand clears it

Impending victory can do a good chunk of it

[frosty cliff]

and if youre a chad playing draenei, you can clear it with gift of the naaru

[frosty cliff]

nah it has a vibe too it, you make the healer wake the fuck up sometimes

ive had instances where the healer was surprised i dropped below 50% hp, some of them be used to prot warrior not taking any damage

[valid spade]

I played thrane all last season it just felt more spammy that's all for the sake of needing to spend rage asap. The colossus swap was a nice change in pace

[warm plinth]

Tracking IP is virtually useless. Focus on maintaining shield block and then the rage decision is basically am I taking enough damage (or at risk of overcapping rage) that I want to press IP or do I want to revenge for more damage

You'll still press IP a lot, but it's not something you need to be going omg I only have 10k IP about

[final linden]

Is colossus a lot simpler? And slower, about to be max level and going into first keys ever tanking so been scanning this discord for tips for a week or two

[valid spade]

If you find it fast paced maybe try something else. Its probably the fact that you're reacting and not anticipating?

[valid spade]

Imo thrane is simpler. You always have rage so you have less decision making, you can virtually have shield block at 100 percent uptime and IP for the rest. Colossus feels a tad slower but you do bigger numbers on aoe so there's that

Run a couple m0s as both specs what do you like/don't like

[final linden]

Yeh will do, I’m 3k on my lock so I know the dungeons as a dps, just getting used to tanking

[valid spade]

I fucking suck at the routes personally

Keystone.guru helps etc. but tbh I'm finding it more to press W and just pull what I think I can handle

I either will or won't haha

Use all your CDs liberally too, shield wall is double charged for a reason

[lusty grotto]

good morning

[solid sun]

Good morning

[solid sun]

Some of the routes I’ve been seeing just seem absolutely crazy to me

Like I saw a cinderbrew route where they pulled the entire right side and lusted (seems fine) and then like a pack with Chewie, and then the whole rest of the other side and obviously lust is on cd

P sure that’s just how my group gets merc’d

[lusty grotto]

chewie got nerfed

so you just do 1st pull with him

[slender bison]

Those routes on keystone "PUG friendly" are not actually done with PUGs

[lusty grotto]

i just pull the entire left section with him

with pugs

[slender bison]

Plus, yea cinder mobs când be CCd with Chewie from this week

[solid sun]

The entire left side with him also seems like how my whole group gets merc’d lmao

[lusty grotto]

youd rather do him with lust than without

even if your dps lasts nothing

release is 2 steps away

much more value dpsing him down with lust

the healer has to know of course

[solid sun]

I’m not disagreeing that having him in a pull with lust would be ideal

I’m simply of the belief that my group would never live that

[lusty grotto]

i didnt have issues these week, i did 3 the same way farming for neck

before i gave up and crafted a neck cause fuck farming

but i always went "im pulling chewie with left"

[undone beacon]

@lusty grotto made something to celebrate

[lusty grotto]

as a heads up

lmao

stupid bears with their ass backwards sims

[undone beacon]

bear no understand sims, only thrash and swipe

[unborn island]

Do you pull chewie with left as first pull?

[lusty grotto]

thats what i said

before he got nerfed it was illegal to pull him though

but last week's nerfed made him comfier

[solid sun]

I told the pug squad I was pulling all of left and to lust

And we didn’t lust and also we died

[lusty grotto]

lol

[solid sun]

:)

[undone beacon]

When you say you're pulling him with left, are you grabbing the middle muscle/pyro packs too? Going into Chewie + 2 Muscles seems like a lot of healing stress even with lust

[lusty grotto]

i mean you still have to kick casts and shit

1 muscle

you dont pull 2 muscles

[vocal flame]

Good Morning!

[lusty grotto]

pyros can just get kicked

[undone beacon]

Okay yeah thats what I assumed I just wanted to verify

[lusty grotto]

2 muscle + chewie = hyper illegal

in fact you basically never want to pull 2 muscles at the same time

at any moment

[undone beacon]

Yeah the double muscles are rough

[lusty grotto]

you didnt lose anythinig then

[solid sun]

Well we lost the mage

Which is a different issue

[undone beacon]

So you're breaking the room into three pulls, left+chewie, mid, then chain into right and then boss?

[lusty grotto]

yeah but its worse if you had insta died with lust up for whatever reason

[lusty grotto]

can just prio mid muscle or chain it with 2

but that requires good players

i feel bad with rogues in this dungeon lmao

lots of chain pulling

[undone beacon]

Okay yeah this looks like what I was picturing more or less

Muscle + Boss would certainly kill the shitters I play with sadly

[lusty grotto]

with a decent group you can probably pull g1 and g5 muscles together

with pull 2

but yeah def not your every day pug

[solid sun]

How far can my shitter group and I push just pressing W though

[lusty grotto]

also boss + muscle, i hope to christ the group is blasting the prio muscle cause double aoe is probably death with boss'

dot + aoe

[solid sun]

We want 3k but idk how in the cards that is. Like my Resto Druid friend doesn’t know how to prep for big pulls at the beginning of the dungeon so I’m hanging on by a thread for damn near 10 seconds

[vocal flame]

This was me last night

[slow forge]

Pre-hot everyone up, have wild growth and flourish ready and he’s got Tranq and Convoke as major CdS

[lusty grotto]

oh

make sure your rdruid is soothing muscle's enrages

lol i suppose i should have started with that

[undone beacon]

ahHA! BEAR WINS AGAIN! I SOOTHE THE ENRAGE!

#bearlife

[lusty grotto]

lol

wheres my newspaper roll

🗞️

[ionic fern]

[lusty grotto]

[undone beacon]

i love guardian druid and I love anodized deflectors and i love the armor plates trinket and and

[slow forge]

Bear is the most boring tank out there.

It’s like 2 buttons

[lusty grotto]

alright calm down satan

[undone beacon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1073113939984011294/1083879073345982566/catsittingniceandcomfortableinaniceandcomfortableway.gif

[undone beacon]

I geared up my bear to help the shitters in my guild grind their 7s for gildeds lol

No thought tanking, life is good

[slow forge]

Lmao. That’s amazing.

And a good idea actually.

[lusty grotto]

the only reason to do that is to armor stack

[slow forge]

I’m brew main so bear isn’t piano enough for me. But warrior is fun.

So here I am

[lusty grotto]

but even then vdh exists

or for healer drops

otherwise warrior can just farm them

[undone beacon]

counterpoint

bear

[lusty grotto]

counterpoint

bear

also alt that gets eye of kezan 😎

[undone beacon]

[unborn island]

Yeah I used to pull all right side with both muscles because I saw streamers/good people do it and it was rough occasionally, hp yoyo

[slow forge]

I tried a streamer pull one time, killed the whole group and got called regard tank.

[solid sun]

You never go full streamer

[undone beacon]

I usually pull conservatively in pugs because people don't have brains in pugs, and then get yelled at by a mage or warlock for pulling too small, and then I pull two reasonable packs together and we wipe and I get flamed for bad routing

Motherlode is the fucking worst about pugs and pull sizes

[unborn island]

'its fine just pull two extractors at once'

[undone beacon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/842201708230344727/1055487345337577522/skateparkge.gif

Me watching people back up into every pack in the first hallway of motherlode and then cry about routing

[cerulean burrow]

i just pull what i pull and the strong survive and the weak die

[undone beacon]

toxic, mods remove their liver

[cerulean burrow]

😔

[frozen berry]

ML is the worst for having a good route and people ass pulling like crazy

[undone beacon]

It is the epitome of "I must accept my fate"

Luckily the timer is relatively generous

[tulip oar]

If there was a way to skip all the extractors it would be even better.

I love when ranged clowns cut off a vast major of the zone cause they can't stack next to someone else.

[smoky anvil]

Always someone acting obese and grabbing extra

Or they don’t read despite you putting it in chat multiple times

And don’t follow pings

Then rage

[lusty grotto]

ranged are allergic to melee

[tulip oar]

The best I've seen so far was a 3100 VDH pull a peacekeeper at the start and proceed to take 14 mil from charged shield.

[lusty grotto]

when basically every single pull's common issues is resolved by it

jumpy guys? just stand near melee

sharpshooters? just stand near melee

its ridiculous

[ornate ferry]

Ranged stand in melee pssshhh. Out of ur mind

[tulip oar]

Lol, Gorechop in ToP. Mage out in Narnia gets pulled in and dies.

[smoky anvil]

Drives my shaman buddy insane when ranged will stay a sliver out of the rain and whine about taking dmg

[lusty grotto]

but it is what it is, standing at melee separates good ranged from bad ranged

[tulip oar]

Dude it's a 12, how have you not seen it before?

[lusty grotto]

gorechop lmao

yeah fr

on both of you guys comments

[round elk]

I have dusted off my warrior wondering when/if S1 tier should be busted up to S1 2p and S2 2p, my S1 4P is 619 ilvl.

[lusty grotto]

asap

[tulip oar]

ASAP.

[round elk]

K TY!

[lusty grotto]

s1 tier is garbage

[tulip oar]

Not that S2 tier is awesome, but ilvl > rest

[lusty grotto]

s2 IS awesome

its a massive step up in dps

[round elk]

Thanks for the feedack!

[lusty grotto]

if youre not resetting SC twice in a luck window youre doing it wrong

[ionic nimbus]

Its not one of the best tier sets, but it’s fine and the first tier was not existent

With MT the procc windows can be sus

[lusty grotto]

i feel like when people say its not good they are just talking about the wall proc

its not about the wall proc at all

that shit is boring

its about shield charge

nobody cares about the wall proc

[tulip oar]

Pretty much. Wall proc is a sleeper bonus.

[ionic nimbus]

And 15% more dmg

75% crit chance to ss

[final linden]

tbh on my lock im pretty happy out the way, and tanky enough to know i wont die

[lusty grotto]

2 SCs in a luck window is goated

[ionic nimbus]

Adds up to a decent tier set

[lusty grotto]

and should be your goal every time

track the proc if it helps

[sharp gale]

Sometime I admit I’m like « OH YESSS » when it procs just on the tank buster

Even tho I have wall or any other cd ready

[ionic nimbus]

Best feeling is procc into procc

[cerulean burrow]

that feel when proc I proc you into proc proc when proc like proc proc feels proc charge proc

mfw

[sharp gale]

Is the sound of tier proccing in base game ?

Idk if it’s one of my WAs

[cerulean burrow]

ill be honest i have a big weak aura that lights up like a bingo slot machine every time it procs and still the main way i can tell is because of the shield wall noise and the animation that plays without me pressing the button

i also have diet autism so idk

[ionic nimbus]

The only sound I can hear is sw going up

[tulip oar]

Hehe, that's kinda funny. I like it.

[lusty grotto]

that works too

[dusky canopy]

@sharp gale hey friend you guys killed stix right?

[sharp gale]

that explains why i hear the proc on every char i play

AND DONT TALK ABOUT STIX PLS

2% L

[dusky canopy]

Ohh fuck ight

I was curious how trash piles worked for you guys

[sharp gale]

2%, 3 balls L

[dusky canopy]

It seems like the “left quadrant” always gets fucked and there isn’t enough small trash to get medium

Yeah that’s a big L ff in chat

[sharp gale]

https://raidplan.io/plan/bhWWdxQtwK3AJkkn purple ?

[dusky canopy]

Well it’s dynamic based on boss position right, so it’s always the left most marker depending on where boss is

[brazen python]

Question regarding crafting: Since we have good shield options from m+, is shield craft still that big? im pretty new to prot...again.

[sharp gale]

so left, but left on which set is an issue ?

what creates issue : people on center left and center right not going dead center when ball start

and eating left and right garbage

[dusky canopy]

So in your image for example, when we get to the 3rd ball set the boss would be between square and X right. Well the area between square and purple has absolutely no small trash and that person gets fucked if they have a scrap master or bomb they’re supposed to do asap because there’s never any small piles

I’m wondering if there’s a better way to play around it other than “skill issue”

[sharp gale]

they can eat hyenas, idk to me is skill issue when i'm in medium in 3 seconds and i'm still in my quadrant

[dusky canopy]

Yeah you tank though so you always get to go right and that’s the most fresh area that nobody stands in

The people that get assigned left just get fucked I guess

[sharp gale]

people are "hard-ish" aassigned with the WA, melee will always be left

[dusky canopy]

Seems like unintuitive mechanic

Yes I know melee left

Tank right

Is the preferred assign

[wide charm]

shield is your most important item so if you aren't going to get one from mythic raid, def worth crafting a 675 one

[sharp gale]

so range just stay spread center and just go straight to their markers, prepositions themselves by having 2 small light blue puddle in front of them when ball time ?

[dusky canopy]

Yeah mid left and mid right don’t seem to have issues

It’s only left assign in our group

Pretty consistently

[tulip oar]

It's better to follow the colors than the directional arrow.

[sharp gale]

ah the big question i didn't ask for context, where the trash is burned when you are on third set (before ball time what is burning)

[dusky canopy]

Following the WA isn’t an issue it also speaks the color of the marker we’re supposed to go too

[tulip oar]

At least for me. I memorized where the colors are place and just leap towards that quadrant when I see the color I'm assigned.

[dusky canopy]

We use northern sky instead of liquid

[tulip oar]

Same

[dusky canopy]

Yeah I don’t have to much of an issue personally all though on one pull I did experience ZERO small trash anywhere near my quadrant

But I’m just asking in general if theirs a fool proof way to play around it

[tulip oar]

Then someone else was in the wrong spot. It happens.

[sharp gale]

maybe you burn too many trashs, that's what we try to do

[tulip oar]

I hate when I have to Tokyo drift the ball to hit the important add hiding between a bunch of crab bombs.

[dusky canopy]

Oh you guys bait the boss burning trash in the middle?

We don’t do that

Our tanks keep the boss on a marker for that

Maybe that’s the problem

[undone beacon]

Sure getting extra shield charges is cool but does it compare to GUARDIAN DRUID'S 4PC which is CASTING TEN RANDOM DRUID SPELLS?!

I need to justify this alt dammit

[tulip oar]

You want it more central so the ball ppl have clear routes.

[sharp gale]

i just clean from skull-blue (little bit around boss), i do it since i'm the one going first into BALLS

[sharp gale]

it is to allow or deny crab-bombs to spawn somewhere or not

like on this set, i started yesterday to let 2 pile of trashs in the back to get burned bc it was a pain having bombs here the first and half night, idk how you are supposed to fix it

[toxic pewter]

what do you guys do first pull of priory in a +12

[undone beacon]

die

[dusky canopy]

Pull 6 packs with lust

[toxic pewter]

is pulling both knights ok

[dusky canopy]

Ok I guess our tanks seem to be doing it right it just seems so incredibly cursed for anybody assign “left quadrant”

F in chat I guess lol

[dusky canopy]

Yeah you can as long as healer is prepared for double shout

And people actually defensive it

[toxic pewter]

hmmmmmmmm

[dusky canopy]

Probably only good with a high prio spec in group

[toxic pewter]

yeah I only pug

[dusky canopy]

Gotta nuke one asap before they double shout again

[toxic pewter]

may do a safer pull

[sharp gale]

tbh since im so much in a ball i don't see how other starts, if you want to see our 2% (mute if you don't like my RL voice or the French)
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2416935658?t=02h54m50s

i see he fail to burn the correct trash on the first burn

[dusky canopy]

Well like I’m melee and I can leap so it’s easy for me to start right behind one small trash pile but it’s still like I said, little to NO small trash in melee quadrant 9/10 pulls

[solid sun]

I just found out that the +1 luck on that one raid item actually does do something

Makes your character use the jump2 animation if it has one. Like the night elf flip

[dusky canopy]

Oh I need that!

Sweet

[undone beacon]

Wait actually

No way I need receipts

[solid sun]

Panthea just told me in the blood dk channel

Didn’t seem like a meme and he usually knows what’s up

[undone beacon]

Blood DKs are a shifty lot

[solid sun]

lol

[jagged pier]

I literally said this the other day in here

Well i think it was this channel

[limpid ruin]

I’m sorry but I don’t listen to what non meta tanks say. Is there a vdh I can talk to about it?

[solid sun]

Sorry Jakey I discovered it

No takebacksies

[undone beacon]

See what I mean, shifty lot

[toxic pewter]

how much dps loss is not taking show of force

[knotty mantle]

why does colossus prefer TRoar over spear?

[solid sun]

Because big warriors roar louder than small warriors

[knotty mantle]

so based

[toxic pewter]

I run spear these days

and many others do as well

its basically personal preference

[unborn island]

I find roar more helpful for gathering, especially with the longer TC cooldown

[slow forge]

So we can use Spear with Colossus? It's not a major DPS loss?

[lusty grotto]

you run spear only in ToP and Workshop

not really good to use anywhere else

unless you got a misdirect bot or something

[slow forge]

Hmmm Spear is kinda a long ass cooldown

[chilly brook]

Spear more dps in general

Just makes snap threat bad

[chilly brook]

Not large enough for me to care. Disrupting Shout is more worth imo, but then again I’m doing keys where people die when things don’t get interrupted

[toxic pewter]

ya I have been liking using disrupting

[tiny cave]

Are there any good prot content creators you’d recommend?

[chilly brook]

I’ve been enjoying brew as an alt a lot this season, they just need help on the damage front lmao

[chilly brook]

Nom streams

Depends on what you’re trying to get out of it though

[rough ridge]

My guild started learning heroic mugzee last night, had a mythic healer friend suggest that the off tank handle popping all crawler mines while the active tank drags mugzee from drone to drone. In his carry group raids they have duo bdk tanks

I tried stepping on multiple mines but even with shield wall I felt like I was getting hit pretty hard, died a few pulls.

I'm wondering if there's some ams shenanigans that allow blood dk to get away with popping all of the mines or if it's just a gear difference

[chilly brook]

But why tho

[lusty grotto]

yeah but why

[chilly brook]

Just have ranged DPS pop the mines

[long bronze]

you don't want to pop multiple mines at once

[lusty grotto]

even then we're not the best soak tank

just asign one person, it doesnt have to be a tank

you dont take a debuff

[chilly brook]

Yeah like I said ranged dps

[lusty grotto]

that i recall

[chilly brook]

They lose nothing

[lusty grotto]

we have an evoker doing it

[tiny cave]

like guides, disscussion, builds and tips etc (think windwaker POV if you know of him) and not just streamclips of high keys

[long bronze]

there is a debuff pretty sure

the main thing is soaking the circles that come after a mine is popped

[chilly brook]

Then not really

[lusty grotto]

oh yeah there's a debuff its called searing shrapnel

but its not too bad

[rough ridge]

500% increase in damage taken from popping a mine, so we couldn't have one person handle all the popping unless they're a tank.

We were getting people to volunteer and call out they were about to pop, it was working alright but sometimes we'd get 2 or 3 mines simultaneously and then soaks get missed

[tiny cave]

Thanks anyway!

[lusty grotto]

iirc we have a bdk take 1st

and then we have a rotation

someone triggering one due to movement and no awareness is likely if people arent vocal

[sterile citrus]

What is considered the ideal trinket combo for m+? tome + pacemaker?

[undone beacon]

I'm using Amp + Pacemaker

[slender elm]

Worth breaking S1 - 2p for hero pieces or hold till 4p? and 2p - S2 till there?

[cerulean burrow]

from my own experience and what ive seen tome + pacemaker is bis with the caveat of if you want a defensive or something for like priory or some other choice difficult dungeons and / or areas. so for instance some higher keys ive seen people run the mud trink when they need more tankiness or bomb suit or what have you

[tulip oar]

The Mud trinket is really good. 8 mil shield can be a life saver.

[long bronze]

THE MUD

[strong forum]

Hero pieces trump old tierset

S1 tierset is legitimately awful

[slender elm]

Thanks, just making sure ❤️

[long bronze]

I'm still getting higher sims out of amplifier than pacemaker but that may have to do with having a fuckload of crit and no vers

[strong forum]

MUST BE NICE HAVING A CHOICE

[cerulean burrow]

i cant personally attest to amplifier however a lot of the logs and runs i see a good amount of prot warrs also run amplifier so it must sim well for some stat depending

[strong forum]

Meanwhile me on arms with 645 spelunker candle

[long bronze]

oof

[strong forum]

664 equipped btw

[long bronze]

why don't you just

spam floodgate

[strong forum]

I've done a total of 3 maybe 4 floodgates

You ain't catching me wasting my life in 1 dungeon just for a trinket

[long bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/there-it-is-well-there-it-is-gif-8569483

[strong forum]

Instead im wasting my life by playing 5 characters

[long bronze]

gotta work for the cheddar

[lusty grotto]

"work"

in a vidyagame

[cerulean burrow]

i work so i can work in a video game

is that not what were supposed to do

[lusty grotto]

🤷‍♂️

entirely up to you

[knotty mantle]

me loading up power washing simulator

[long bronze]

for what it's worth, I also don't have a pacemaker

[lusty grotto]

i dont have tome

[long bronze]

gasp

[chilly brook]

Pretty meh on warrior

[lusty grotto]

full absorbs are meh

partial absorb gang cough bombsuit

cough treemouth

[chilly brook]

I mean it’s good on specific tanks

[jagged pier]

its good for gally if u arent warrior apprently

[chilly brook]

It’s good for brew

Like really good

[cerulean burrow]

mud might not be super amazing however i dunno if you dont have an equivalent "absorb" or tank trink for a big hit it doesnt feel terrible

[strong forum]

Fullabsorb on gallywix prevents echo check stacks to be applied

So for that specific instance, mud trinket isnt terrible

Allows you to tank mythic gally for longer

[tulip oar]

I like it for eating massive bleed damage.

[strong forum]

I don't even know where massive bleed dmg exists

Besides like first few pulls in cinder

[lusty grotto]

massive bleed damage just tears through it

partial absorbs better

fuck are we gonna have a treemouth vs tainted heart thing again?

at least the inferior trinket is from keys this time

but feelsbad that the superior one is from the end boss

[neon elk]

I miss aegis

[lusty grotto]

dinar dinar dinar

[neon elk]

But I kinda like nyalotha one , even tho full absorb it has only 1min cd

[lunar jackal]

Im assuming breaking s1 4set for s2 2p is worth it correct?

[lusty grotto]

is this another question we're gonna have to put in nicknames?

s1 tier is dogshit

remove it asap

[lunar jackal]

it was an assertion with a request for confirmation

not a question

(?

😛 ty

[lusty grotto]

i was confused by the question mark

at the end

my mistake

[tulip oar]

Motherlode mini boss, and Darkflame if the dps don't kill the creepers quickly.

[quaint fossil]

What should be our crafted gear?

[neon elk]

One is dispellable other one shouldnt get high as miniboss resets anyway

[heavy sparrow]

How we feeling about having our demolish stacks from 100% for revenge damage to being told the nerf is to 70% and then in game live it's 50%

[stiff gate]

priory first boss, little idiot mobs in darkflame, beginning of cinderbrew are the ones i can think of for this season

[cerulean burrow]

hows the council feeling about scrapfield trinket

[heavy sparrow]

Is that 9001 one?

[lunar jackal]

im assuming for warrior's prolly decent since our health doesnt spike

so the haste uptime's prolly good

but no idea

[cerulean burrow]

yes scrapfield 9001

[lunar jackal]

just a lucky guess

[cerulean burrow]

yeah i think the haste isnt bad was trying to see if anyone feels strongly about it

i see it on some runs depending along with all the other shit

[lusty grotto]

its fine, doesnt sim correctly though

its a haste stat stick

[heavy sparrow]

Ive actually been using it for higher keys where I know the healer might struggle

[lusty grotto]

its one of the better trinkets from raid

but there's still way better ones cough bombsuit cough

[cerulean burrow]

hey could i borrow your bombsuit ill give it back after

[lusty grotto]

i dont have it

c:

[cerulean burrow]

fuck me either dude

[lusty grotto]

the only good trinket i have is pacemaker

[cerulean burrow]

at least you know your heart wont give out or beat to slowly right

fuck amplifier is a delve drop? god dammit

[twilit eagle]

so fun waiting 30 min for a invite as a tank because bliz nerfed us to the ground

doing 13 hard part is getting an invite

[chilly brook]

Sheesh man

keys got even easier

[lusty grotto]

to the ground?

[long bronze]

that's less a factor of being a pwar than just you're not VDH

[chilly brook]

Blizz didn't nerf us into the ground lmao

you're just not a DH

Or a paladin

Getting invites to 13s was a pain before the nerf was even announced

[twilit eagle]

we war know we got not nerfed to the ground, the plebs know only war got nerfed, that is what i am saying

[long bronze]

Look fellas

when you gotta do tank mechanics, does anybody or anything say to hit Torment? No it says to hit Taunt. Checkmate DH

[chilly brook]

Once again, it was difficult getting invites into a 13 without being the "meta" tank before nerfs were even announced

the nerfs have nothing to do with it

[twilit eagle]

lmao XD

[pallid quiver]

you know it's real bad when you have trouble getting invited to 6s. Last I checked, it wasn't that bad

so it's just business as usual

[toxic pewter]

lol no it’s actually the opposite we know it wasn’t a huge nerf. But the community is very anti-warr and has been for a long while. They spread propaganda and fake news saying we are nerfed into the ground when it’s not true.

[long bronze]

to be fair it was the biggest adjustment to any spec by quite a bit in that patch

[twilit eagle]

it is what i said, people think we are useless now, it is not

[toxic pewter]

I mean we were doing much more damage than the other tanks in aoe

[long bronze]

it certainly sucks having more gear and not getting even close to my damage last week in dungeons or raid, but is what it is

[toxic pewter]

Other than bdk I guess which apparently is very high rng

[twilit eagle]

btw i'll reach 3k and quit for this season, is not even fun anymore as war

[winged pawn]

anyoen know what dungeon to run for chest gear?

[twilit eagle]

ah yeah i was a litle emotional

[toxic pewter]

I misread actually

[long bronze]

Mechagon is probably the fastest if you're just looking for one.

[toxic pewter]

Yes we have same opinion apologies

[twilit eagle]

np mate

[long bronze]

but floodgate, theater, mechagon, and cindrbrew all drop a chest

[winged pawn]

👍🏻 ty

[long bronze]

the cinderbrew one is technically BiS, but BiS is BiS when all slots are BiS

[lusty grotto]

floodgate has the bis chest

err sorry

he right

its cinderbrew

[winged pawn]

i just want any chest hero lvl so i can get a 4 set

🥲 broke af

[strong forum]

thats dispellable

the creepers

[pallid quiver]

such a nice change

[long bronze]

that was a hallelujah moment

[lusty grotto]

get another piece, chest is our off-piece

[strong forum]

no longer a bleed

[cerulean burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/creeper-rap-minecraft-creeper-creeper-gif-27331549

[winged pawn]

ohh okok

[long bronze]

it's our off piece in BiS

[chilly brook]

not RNG

it's only RNG in lower keys

the longer pulls live, the more guaranteed it is

[long bronze]

yeah but in higher keys blood has RNG of getting globaled, so it evens out

I'm fine with BDK being good, I'm just fucking sick of VDH meta every other season

[chilly brook]

clearly not

they're sitting here doing 16s

lmao

[long bronze]

so is pwar

[chilly brook]

I'm referring to blood getting globaled

[long bronze]

oh

[strong forum]

reminder most people are still 15ilvl behind

[long bronze]

blood getting globaled is mostly a meme, but it certainly happens still

[strong forum]

and bdk getting globalled will eventually happen, its not frequent, but they and vdh are the most likely to get globalled

[chilly brook]

I think the only tank spec that hasn't done a 16 yet is Brew

Which I'm going to be honest don't think it's because brew is incapable of it, I think it's just perception diff

[long bronze]

somebody has to be the worst spec

[chilly brook]

watched a dude do a 14 on his brew at like 634

lmao

like the spec is actually way better in keys than people give it credit for

[toxic pewter]

Need to see more vdh global gifs come out

[long bronze]

I suspect brew is going to be a healer diff though

like if your healer isn't good brew is going to look even worse

[chilly brook]

kinda

you're definitely more reliant on the healer but it also has a weird paradox in that the higher you go the more self sustain you bring as brew

since ox orbs are generated on pre-mit damage based on your health pool

[long bronze]

I don't know how they can ever balance stagger really

just make it something like brew is too drunk to feel pain

[jagged pier]

Brew played very well is always unkilable

[chilly brook]

Honestly I didn't even care when "stagger was broken"

[long bronze]

VDH's get globaled because they are bad and leap into the middle of a pack and get hit in the ass

[lunar jackal]

why not head? its crit mastery, mastery heavy. Just curious, especially when we have great helms from both raid and m+

[lusty grotto]

mastery good

[long bronze]

because of how BiS works

[chilly brook]

like brew being the "best raid tank" was always kinda meh

[long bronze]

there's a certain ideal ratio of all the stats

you can achieve very similar results with different items

hence BiS is BiS only when all items are BiS

you have a different neck than the BiS? You may find a different chest, etc is better for you than what's in BiS

[small steeple]

So I'm noticing that in high keys, the key pushers, the prot warriors are talking thunderlord of Show of force

[barren bridge]

Does anyone have the how to use the tome of lights devotion trinket to its max potential

[small steeple]

And dropping battering ram for the aoe kick

[long bronze]

Brew was also the best raid tank because MW and WW weren't worth taking

so you got the 5% phys buff from them

[lunar jackal]

if its off cd and on defense mode => Press it. That's it

[long bronze]

[barren bridge]

ty

[long bronze]

key pushers are always cooking wierd stuff. Typically it's just because living is more important than DPS at those levels

an aoe interrupt could save the key where a 50k more dps won't do anything

[lunar jackal]

living is more important than dpsing at any key level if we get technical

😛

[long bronze]

sure, but you can live a lot more mistakes in a lower level key to where you don't need to sacrifice your damage to avoid those

[lunar jackal]

agreed

[long bronze]

or rather, compensate for

plus those teams are super scripted, they know exactly when every stop is going to get sent in every pull

[toxic pewter]

What tanks don’t have to sacrifice damage talents to get more tanky talents

[lusty grotto]

not living is more than likely a skill issue on sub rank 1 keys

[long bronze]

if you can do that, you can get a lot more value out of talents like that instead of just having to ship them randomly in a pug

[lusty grotto]

than your talent picks

[lunar jackal]

True but there's no denial that the skill ceiling is different for every person so if im capped at "N" key lvl and then by playing more def im able to do "N" +1 despite that level being achievable by solving a few mistakes, why would we do it?

wouldnt*

[long bronze]

like on a 16 they may have enough dam to keep a pack locked down so AOE kick from pwar not needed. On a 17, they live just long enough it is...Only people who've ran 500 keys with the same group really know those details that intimately

[lusty grotto]

dying in the game is the best teacher

[lunar jackal]

Agreed XD

[long bronze]

that's why you play BDK and never die so you don't have to learn anything

[lusty grotto]

if youre constantly using picks to prevent that, rather than fix your gameplay issues you will see no improvement, not that there's a lot of it anyway in our current trees

just picking bsv doesnt require a huge sacrifice on dps

also improving your dps as it is is beneficial on both fronts

making people better warriors gameplay wise

[long bronze]

I wish BSV had a bit more hysteresis I hate how it insta procs sometimes

[lusty grotto]

well at least its not DF's bugged as fuck version

[regal yarrow]

What are you running that bsv is even proccing at all? The only time my health bar moves it normally means the healer is dead already

[long bronze]

rik reverb when my cotank falls asleep

[lusty grotto]

does it matter?

picking it or not wasnt the point

also weird flex

[regal yarrow]

The point is that it's just a wasted talent and means something else is wrong.

[lusty grotto]

i dont understand where youre going with this lmao

im guessing you didnt read the context

[regal yarrow]

Is the context not him saying that it insta procs, and then saying that it only procs when there's another major issue happening?

[lusty grotto]

no

tangential at best

but also who gives a shit if someone runs bsv, you dont sacrifice a huge chunk of dps

its 2025, its entirely acceptable to use it

[arctic pumice]

hey what was the reasoning behind the swap to worgen for rwf?

[lusty grotto]

no idea, ask max

or echo

[jagged pier]

it made the balls on stix do slightly more damage

somthing about the racial

[undone beacon]

furries probably

[cyan bronze]

don’t care about the rest of it

but please

why are you using n as your chosen variable

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-anguish-despair-gif-13915908866750092639

[arctic pumice]

probably works in STEM

[cyan bronze]

I do too it feels icky here

this feels like an x moment

[undone beacon]

Nah I'm team N

[distant fractal]

N elements in an array.

[arctic pumice]

I puked in my mouth a little

[cyan bronze]

mxn elements in my shit

[distant fractal]

Y'all are typing using a keyboard with n-key rollover.

[arctic pumice]

how troll is dracthyr prot war

[lusty grotto]

sir

[cyan bronze]

0%, I don’t believe dracthyr have any troll lineage

[lusty grotto]

n is for occurrences

[arctic pumice]

^

[jagged pier]

race literally doesnt matter on any spec in the game

[lusty grotto]

solve for x

[cyan bronze]

is that the actual convention

i just use whatever variable feels right…

[lusty grotto]

thats fine too

n its just amount of times

etc

[cyan bronze]

but n felt so wrong there

[lusty grotto]

at least from my experience

[cyan bronze]

I personally would of said xyz key level

[toxic pewter]

Dracthyr prot warr far from troll. Its a solid race

Can glide around and crap

[cyan bronze]

data science is also fake stem tho

[distant fractal]

Index, Jindex, Kindex.

[cyan bronze]

so I don’t really get to have opinions

[lyric fern]

Play what you want

[lusty grotto]

well

[cyan bronze]

night elf prot war isn’t that far from troll tho

[lusty grotto]

i dont know if its a fake STEM

[cyan bronze]

since night elf’s descended from trolls

[lusty grotto]

but im an engineer 🙂

[toxic pewter]

lol

[cyan bronze]

ya ya ya

u are real stem

[toxic pewter]

I also am engineer and alchemist

[cyan bronze]

stEm

[sharp gale]

Play what you want tbh, but dwarf is not debate the strongest

For m+

[cyan bronze]

is playing troll troll

[lusty grotto]

i just consider data science part of it for sure

[lyric fern]

Yea dwarf very good in m+

[cyan bronze]

I just consider data science fake stem because

I hated engineering course work

And I like data sci coursework

[lusty grotto]

yeah i get that

data science is fucking interesting

[cyan bronze]

meche was CURSED at my uni

Matlab first semester wallahi

[lusty grotto]

lol

the only part of STEM i fucking hate is chemistry

[winged pawn]

CTEM

[lusty grotto]

any physics is S-tier for me

[cyan bronze]

engi chem made me drop out of engineering

[lusty grotto]

fuck chem

[cyan bronze]

was rly stupid cus

I could of chosen not to take engi chem

since it’s literally just 2 semesters of chem in 1

[distant fractal]

Engineering is fucked considering how many people cheat.

[lusty grotto]

was mandatory on my curriculum

chem, not cheating lol

and i dont know about cheating

[cyan bronze]

ya it was mandatory but I took the harder option

[winged pawn]

ppl just use liek chat gpt now right?

[lusty grotto]

that sounds like a personal experience

[sharp gale]

Chemistry and physics is what I disliked in highschool, I love math

[distant fractal]

I found a liar.

[cyan bronze]

cheating at my uni is very prevalent

[lusty grotto]

i mean it does happen just no reason to considering cheat sheets

[cyan bronze]

and other unis in the top 50-100 range from what my hs friends tell me about their schools

[lusty grotto]

it wasnt really prevalent at my campus

[cyan bronze]

ya depends on the uni culture

were all your classes curved?

[lusty grotto]

as long as you understood the concepts you were good

no

[cyan bronze]

all of ours are

like every single course

and I think that’s a large factor

[jagged pier]

probably because u all cheat

[lusty grotto]

thats weird

[cyan bronze]

and there’s hella grade deflation

[distant fractal]

I get the feeling if you didn't notice the cheating you are what people consider a narc. :P

[lusty grotto]

maybe they were expected to pass a certain amount of students

or required

[cyan bronze]

(we are renowned for our grade deflation LOL)

[lusty grotto]

youre talking from personal experience

thats not the reality for everyone

i dont snitch either, i could care less

[distant fractal]

"Yo, don't share it with him, he's weird."

[lusty grotto]

are you in high school

LOL

[cyan bronze]

that seems like a v high school thing to say

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[cyan bronze]

every1 at my uni is a freak

[distant fractal]

What are engineering students but highschool students +1 year?

[sharp gale]

In France they 100% do that, you need 10/20 average to pass and when you see a lot of courses on 10/20 it means it is modified to let you pass

[cyan bronze]

@lusty grotto i was v pleased recently

didn’t cheat on exam

got top score in class

[distant fractal]

Uni students pretend they're a new person the moment they go to post secondary but they sound exactly like teens.

[lusty grotto]

i graduated decades ago my dude lmao

[cyan bronze]

wallah

[cyan bronze]

im certainly the same person

[winged pawn]

do u guys think school is harder or easier cuz chatgpt

[lusty grotto]

its the same

[cyan bronze]

uh

[jagged pier]

its making ppl dumber

[distant fractal]

Oh man, that's tough.

[lusty grotto]

but yeah i agree with jakey

[sharp gale]

They lower the bar each year imo

[cyan bronze]

it doesn’t matter

tbh

[merry halo]

Neither, it's just a new way of thinking and learning.

[cyan bronze]

harder

imo

[lusty grotto]

the more reliant you are on chatbots, the more stupider you will become

[cyan bronze]

But just cus

[lusty grotto]

in time

[cyan bronze]

of how you have to deal with ai usage

[winged pawn]

im secretly an LLM don't tell anyone

[cyan bronze]

like I would say 80% of ppl use gpt here

[distant fractal]

ChatGPT write me an essay about x.

[cyan bronze]

for at least smth

but if u use it

[lusty grotto]

i dont

[cyan bronze]

you have to write like a page or two on how you used it/responsibly

and if u don’t

[lusty grotto]

i do use github copilot though

[cyan bronze]

and u get caught

[lusty grotto]

but i also have no need for gpt

[winged pawn]

[lusty grotto]

my google-fu is very strong

[distant fractal]

I tried using Gemini a few days ago to tell me the weather and it refused because the information was unreliable. FUCKER, ITS THE WEATHER!

[cyan bronze]

Actually sec

[jagged pier]

dont use any ai's, do use stackoverflow or nice Indian man on yt

[cyan bronze]

I’ll just grab what is in every syllabus about Ai usage

At my uni

[lusty grotto]

jakey

[distant fractal]

The fu may be strong, but google itself is weakening with each day.

[lusty grotto]

copilot is very good actually, i was on your boat

you still need to go through the suggestions though

but saves a lot of time stack overflowing

[sharp gale]

I asked about historical dude I didn’t know, chatgpt spits just lies when I checked the Wikipedia page

[jagged pier]

we dont use github tho so

probably would otherwise

[cerulean burrow]

copilot is lowkey goated but as with any other LLM theyre dumb so verify what they spit out at you

[lusty grotto]

i was on a pilot at the company i work with, and we just green lighted it for the rest of the company, it makes knowledge transfers extremely fast

[distant fractal]

Yeah, I know they're trying, and they're trying to use primary sources, but now they are just scraping some 1st amendment auditors personal blog for information and everything starts getting whack.

[cyan bronze]

it’s often very aids to use gpt

and more work

unless you’re using it well

[lusty grotto]

the only problem with github copilot is emerging stuff is not immediately available

and for good reason

[cyan bronze]

if u get caught using it and don’t disclose it, it’s up to the professors and department’s discretion

but usually just an automatic fail

and people get caught often

[jagged pier]

my favourite thing about llms recently was deepseek and its now come out attacks against it have a 100% success rate

[lusty grotto]

lmao

LMMs are plateau'd anyway

[cerulean burrow]

lets fucking go

[sharp gale]

The most sane exam requirements was you are allowed to take standard sized paper with notes

[distant fractal]

I dont like the adoption of AI tools into schoolwork because then it can create a disparity between students who just get what is free and those who can pay for ones that are better, not to mention there isn't open access to it, each one is owned and it's not like other tools where I can own a calculator and most calculators are the same. Each AI is different, and can be taken away or changed so easily.

[lusty grotto]

i just hope people are taught to not overly depend on it

[cerulean burrow]

and yeah weve reached diminishing returns trying to make a car learn how to fly metaphorically speaking

[lusty grotto]

but they will regardless

[jagged pier]

thats the things students just are now anyway

[lusty grotto]

right

[jagged pier]

they came too fast for them to be taught how to properly use them

[cyan bronze]

u can ask the school to pay for it

idk the success rate of it

[distant fractal]

With what budget lol

[gentle gate]

I'm 20, so I'm close to HS. There were assignments based on it. I was lucky enough that we got a sign in for premium access to stuff but it still was a little wack

[cyan bronze]

my schools tuition is 90k a year

I think they can afford it

[jagged pier]

[cyan bronze]

(i got a full ride)

[distant fractal]

You think that money is going towards funding tools? That's for hookers and viagra.

[cyan bronze]

well

[sharp gale]

As a baguette man, wtf is a 90k per year tuition? It’s the best college of your country ?

[cyan bronze]

i got the paid version of ChatGPT like that

[cyan bronze]

it’s top 50

[winged pawn]

90k rupees?

[lusty grotto]

too many euros here

cant understand murican education

[cyan bronze]

it is one of the most expensive schools in NA tho

not the most expensive

but

[sharp gale]

Ok it explains it, because public regular college in France is 300€ per year

[winged pawn]

its priv?

[cyan bronze]

yea

[winged pawn]

so elite

[cerulean tusk]

Indian man is the goat - 10/10

[distant fractal]

what other countries in the world charge a brand new F-150 fully kitted each year to attend school?

[lusty grotto]

300 euros????? A YEAR?

holy fuck

[cyan bronze]

i certainly wouldn’t consider going here if it wasn’t on scholarship

fwiw

[cerulean burrow]

as an american i was only ever able to get an education because i was poor but now that privilege wont be granted to others cuz fuck department of education

[gentle gate]

I lost my partial sports scholarship because I tore my acl, now I can't afford to go to college lel

[cerulean burrow]

fuck yeah freedom

[sharp gale]

And public college -> lawyer, doctor etc, the 40k per year schools is more very high engineering or management (you know what I mean)

[cyan bronze]

sorry

i lied

it’s 86k

not 90

[winged pawn]

4k a year on mcdonalds

[sharp gale]

On mangos

[cyan bronze]

the ppl here who pay 90k tho r the rich foreign exchange Russian daddy’s money type u expect

i was going out w a Russian girl who bought me a lot of stuff on daddy’s money, the reason we stopped going out was cuz she would spit on homeless people randomly

[lusty grotto]

hoooly

[sharp gale]

My family is tearing apart bc of inflation

[cyan bronze]

no mangos?

[lusty grotto]

sir

[jagged pier]

sir

[prisma echo]

sir

[lusty grotto]

i can get you free mangos

[karmic plinth]

reckon he has any mangos

[quaint fossil]

Which crafts pieces are people using?

[lusty grotto]

459 of them though... hmm

[undone beacon]

mango mango mango

https://tenor.com/view/mango-cat-dance-ai-dancing-cat-gif-4373280976266621514

I'm so sorry

[sharp gale]

How your cat does that ?

[undone beacon]

Thank you jesus ❤️🙏

[winged pawn]

best use of ai

[cyan bronze]

@lusty grotto did u ever notice when visiting friends schools

that the dining hall quality was negatively (? Inversely? I’m eepy) proportional to the tuition cost

[lusty grotto]

hmm

im trying to remember

[sharp gale]

How much do you guys pay to eat at the university dining hall ?

[cyan bronze]

like i swear I go visit my friends @ state schools and they’re served with a stripper feeding them grapes and Gordon Ramsey at their table cooking for them compared to the slop i get

[cyan bronze]

3k/semester

in reality zero

[lusty grotto]

def seemed that way

[sharp gale]

[cyan bronze]

if i were to pay for it

3k a semester

[sharp gale]

You have entry-main- desert ?

[cerulean tusk]

Not so secret anymore, now is it?

[cyan bronze]

yes

[merry halo]

lol, I don't even know if my college had a dining hall. I was one of those commuters that drove to college every day. Room and board fees are crazy

[cyan bronze]

our desserts r a campus wide meme tho

since there’s 1 large dessert “station” at every dining hall and not multiple smaller ones

it all has to be sugar gluten fun flavor fat lactose etc free

and it tastes like a mix between plastic and pain

they do look v pretty tho

[sharp gale]

They changed in mine a year ago, now it is still (1€ if you pay with app or 3€ with card), but now you have points to spend on what you grab

It is basically entry-main-desert but you have to choose if you want some more expensive entry to downgrade desert (yogurt yummy)

[lofty warren]

Are plastic straws legal to use in european?

[sharp gale]

Idk we have glasses

At uni dining hall

[winged pawn]

i heard the caps in euro are bad

liek soda caps

[sharp gale]

The straws are awful

I stopped buying capri suns just bc of the straws

[winged pawn]

[astral crest]

hey guys, i see on murlok io that collosus is chosen more often. although mountain thane better in def.

what do you guys think? Im ilvl 655 with just 2 pieces tier season2

[winged pawn]

i think thats pretty crazy

[lofty warren]

I would think paper straws would be only option

[sharp gale]

From start plastic bottle soda = beurk, so idc

I drink only canned or glass bottle soda

[winged pawn]

keep those micro plastics away, gj

[sharp gale]

It’s no about micro plastic tbh, Coca Cola in plastic bottle is just so bad compared to canned or glass

[winged pawn]

ohh like taste wise?

[sharp gale]

Yes taste

Same with Fanta or sprite

[cerulean burrow]

bring back coke in coca cola

[mighty valley]

Both work, colossus does more damage, and it's done 17s so it must be sturdy enough

Follow your heart

[cyan bronze]

play thane for extra group survivability

[sharp gale]

@sharp gale

[cyan bronze]

I love intervening for a three hundred health points(it’s actually three hundred twenty five) shield

[winged pawn]

MT is 23% less dmg than colo? thats crazy

[sharp gale]

On my 5t sim yes

[winged pawn]

sheeesh

[sharp gale]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/i4QqQJwiCZUqQZQpkVocPu

[quasi jewel]

Well usually coke in a glass bottle is the Mexican Coca-Cola with cane sugar instead of syrup