protection

[thin marten]

do engineering crafted items count as an embelishment for the 2 limit?

thinking about crafting some crit bracers

[sour flicker]

Guys, whats the gap between colosus and mt in st and aoe?

[deft oxide]

I simmed 5t on my guy and it was like 20%

St was very close

[sour flicker]

In favour of colosus?

[deft oxide]

Oh ya colossus up in aoe

[sour flicker]

Like in yesterdays raid I got owned by 2nd tank, a blood Dk where last week I owned him by far

Dunno why actually

Thanks for info nonetheless

[brave cave]

Can someone link me the spell reflect WA for this season, if theres one up!
Thank you!

[brave cave]

Thank you!

[hardy snow]

we cant know either without logs

[sour flicker]

nerfs presumably

[small steeple]

only 5% in st

[jagged pier]

tier set procs

maybe

but need logs

i showed last night, u can have a 300k swing in dps completely outside your control

because fuck you, your tier set didnt proc

[small steeple]

MMMMM gotta love a rng uncontrollable tierset

[analog sparrow]

What happens if I don't kill shaynemail? Is dailcry harder?

[jagged pier]

nope

[chilly brook]

Why wouldn’t you kill shaynemail?

[hardy snow]

or proc during Rik intermission, or right when you are going into the ball on Stix

[jagged pier]

cause u dont need too if u dont want to

u can bait her the other side

so u just do 'easier' trash for mob count

[chilly brook]

Efficient % so sparse in the dungeon mini bosses are actually efficient % especially since you can pull them with other mobs easily

[jagged pier]

u can just pull other mobs into mobs

[chilly brook]

If they sucked like the one before the last boss I’d agree

But shaynemail is ez

[sour flicker]

When pug does not understand to spread on her, its easier to skip her eventually

[chilly brook]

I basically do her with 12 footmen

[jagged pier]

if your doing balls your not getting a parse anyways

[sour flicker]

Yeah, im the main ballroller. BDK is taking meltdown

[dense remnant]

what counts as getting a parse?

[jagged pier]

if youve hit a boss with logs turned on

u have a parse

maybe not a good one

blizz dont seem to want 1 tank in the raid to get parses anyway

your ither a bdk

or an off tank doing other jobs

because they cant make good interesting tank mechanics

[dense remnant]

i was more thinking of what you meant by not getting a parse if you do the balls

[jagged pier]

well in mythic

if your the ball tank

u dont touch the boss

outside of the first 20s

so u arent gunna do any damage

so u arent gunna get a parse

[dense remnant]

what are you doing the rest of the time when youre not rolling the ball?

[jagged pier]

u roll a ball

wait press like 3 gcds

then u have to taunt

to take the next ball

[dense remnant]

its only like max 50% of the fight that youre not hitting the boss

[jagged pier]

its more

[dense remnant]

sure its not even close compared to if youre tanking the boss

this is my melee dmg from stix

doesnt look like less then 50% to me

but ye, compared to someone who's hitting boss and adds all the time and not rolling the ball, youre gonna do less dmg

but most prot warriors who have killed that on public logs are ball rollers im pretty sure

so comparatively you can still parse decently

[hardy snow]

is there any specific reason for that on mythic, to make 1 tank ball roller (except the consistency), or its fine to tank like on first week on nm/hc?

[dense remnant]

mythic doesnt overlap the tank debuff at all

[jagged pier]

because u need a bdk to grip all the adds

[dense remnant]

and its just easier if you have a dk tank do the boss all the time

[jagged pier]

otherwise u would run 2 bdks

[dense remnant]

plus keeping the same guy who knows what to do with the ball is nice as well

[jagged pier]

well the bombshells once they are broken

[hardy snow]

its gonna be interesting for me and my VDH cotank

[dense remnant]

nah

[jagged pier]

your vdh will be doing the grips

have fun on ball

[dense remnant]

ppl just have to have a bit of a brain, shouldnt be THAT different

[jagged pier]

its horrendous and really broing

[tall cairn]

Hey guys, what up.
Considering my current gear, what would you craft?
I have a spark and a gilded enchanted crest available for use.

[hardy snow]

[jagged pier]

as i now have to wait for ppl to learn it properly

and I already have more exposure than everyone else

and dont understand how its hard

at all

because it isnt

the fight is garbage

unfun

[dense remnant]

ball things are decent, and you can have more control over it and can help your team better on the ball 👍

[jagged pier]

and shit

[hardy snow]

pun intended

[dense remnant]

the main shitty thing is if the bomb spawns right next to boss under all the clusterfuck of adds and weakauras

[hardy snow]

I want to play WoW, not Katamari

[dense remnant]

but you can definitely carry quite a bit when doing all the tank rolling

much more than if you were just hitting the boss

[jagged pier]

yep same with me i actually want to press buttons

not afk

but nah stix afk

thankyfully we have a druid that afks rik

afk sprocket because overlaps with the debuff

[dense remnant]

do you enjoy just doing your basic dps rotation and sitting on the boss? 🤔

[jagged pier]

afk on onearm because u have to move out all the time

afk on mugzee so u can run around and drop stacks

afk on gally so u can run around and clikc bombs

yer fucking nice mechanics bliz

[dense remnant]

what do you classify as "afk"?

just being out of melee a bit?

[jagged pier]

if im not pressing buttons

im not having fun

[dense remnant]

have you thought of playing dps?

[jagged pier]

actively taking away from the fight isnt fun

[dense remnant]

think you might enjoy that more

[jagged pier]

in my eyes

I dont

like dps

[dense remnant]

interesting

i dont mind not hitting the boss at all, if im doing something productive and helping the raid kill the boss

[jagged pier]

no thats fine one if my favourite tank mechanics of all time is socrather in hfc

but you were actually pressing buttons

like actively doing somthing else

[dense remnant]

just pressing W to run 100 yards somewhere and then back is boring for sure, but anything ive encountered so far up to p2 on sprocketmonger has been fun

[jagged pier]

rolling on a ball or standing out of range of ppl isnt interesting at all

just running around to click a bomb

[dense remnant]

rolling on the ball is VERY active

huh

[jagged pier]

isnt interstring

rolling was intersting once

its not anymore

if fucking dogshit

[dense remnant]

i hope you can find some fun in the raid

[jagged pier]

im not pressing buttons or thinking about what i have to do next on the ball

[dense remnant]

cos that sounds stressful and not fun what youre experiencing

[jagged pier]

wiggling my mouse around looking for trash on the ground

how is that interesting at all? i dont have to think at all

do i have time left ? pick up trash
is bomb in my zone? no pick up trash
u have have 3 second left? hit boss

yer really engaging

[wicked pollen]

hi jakey

[chilly brook]

More like they’re too afraid to do that because 85% of tanks would just fail because they can’t even be bothered to press a fairly simple rotation

[jagged pier]

socrathar u had to think about what ability in the robot u used on the portals u had to time the ccs correctly otherwise the mobs broke and got to the boss, all while also hitting the boss as much as u could. it was a great mechanic

[jagged pier]

so why make them afk at all then make them learn to use their rotation

ive had enough of bad tanks in content when im pugging on other things because they cant be arsed to learn

[dusky canopy]

I whole heartedly dispise the stix fight

Right there with you

[jagged pier]

i got told to stop taunting in lfr today, i was doing 1.4mil dps the other tank was doign 140k

like what?

buddeh

press buttons

[dense remnant]

i would say the same thing about spamming shield slam and revenge, and hoping for resets or procs

afk in brain hitting boss is boring af

rolling the ball at least youre doing something a bit different

[urban bane]

i was thinking about that fight the other day, it was pretty fun getting to pilot the mech

[dense remnant]

i wouldnt mind if they added a bit more rotational complexity as an option in talents for tanks

[urban bane]

managing the adds and also just suckerpunching the boss

[chilly brook]

Or you could just like…make more stuff like Jadefire Masters

Where you hit boss, AND have an active tank mechanic

[dense remnant]

sure, that would be an option

but 🤷‍♂️

[dense remnant]

maybe its just cos its my first tier ever tanking that im not finding some of this very boring, but i never had issues doing some mechanics that others thought boring cos it took them away from hitting the boss

[tall cairn]

Any comments <3?

[urban bane]

I would sim myself and craft anything which stuck out :)

[tall cairn]

Oh, im an ass. Had no idea i could do that with the droptimizer

thanks!

[fiery wren]

besides trinkets, shields, and one handers, is prot loot spec any different from arms loot spec?

[fair beacon]

is it better to go for a stat weapon like the haste/crit one from rik reverb, or the extra effects weapon like the gold knuckles from mugzee?

[strong forum]

Yooo mans out here with the DF S3 numbers

Always fascinating

[toxic pewter]

XD

[torpid inlet]

If I'm crafting a wep to jumpstart my tank practice is symbiosis a trap

[urban portal]

for the generic armor pieces they are all the same

so yeah you got all the differences checked out

[fiery wren]

rings and necks the same too?

[thin marten]

do engineering crafted items count as an embelishment for the 2 limit?

I want to craft pure crit bracers

but worried I'm gonna waste my spark or something

[thin marten]

rings and necks are the same for every spec in the game

[round cliff]

my guild trialed a backup tank and he couldn't keep aggro off me

and he didn't kick anything in m+ either

then he left

the inner machinations of his mind are an enigma

[elfin geode]

do we know if the void beams are spell blockable

on sprocket

its a ? in the sheet

[small steeple]

Sorry to bother you but how exactly do you do this water/oil skip in ML that you talked about?

[thin marten]

does the priory first boss do anything different depending on what general is alive? or is it just the general casting their spells

I feel like the tankbuster trucks like 5x harder when you go left for some reason

[round cliff]

because the general casts a dam vulnerability

it's dispellable

healer issue

[small steeple]

Its more than just that, it just does straight up more damage too

[round cliff]

word?

[stiff gate]

you just run across that plank in the water and then hug the left wall, there's a rock you can just walk straight up out of the oil and into the earth elemental packs. It just gets you by the 2nd extractor pack

[round cliff]

where are u pulling extra to compensate?

[small steeple]

By 2nd you mean pack 2 here?

[stiff gate]

pack 3 there, we combine 1 and 2 then do the skip

[strong forum]

classic

[stiff gate]

you could skip both 2 and 3 if you wanted though

[round cliff]

he was a bdk too

no excuses

[small steeple]

hmmm ok

[round cliff]

can u pull that shark in the water for %

that'd be epic

shark strat

[stiff gate]

not sure what the normal pug route is in motherlode, but we do 2 pulls at the start, skip over the wall, do one pull there, then do 2 pulls before first boss. we do one extractor pack with the 4 pack near it, then we skip the 2nd extractor, and then we do 3(?) pulls on the way to 3rd boss and get the rest of the count at the end. the war machines are super efficient, even factoring in you cant pull much with them

[round cliff]

so if ur doing wall skip AND extractor skip then ur just making it all up thru 2 extra war machines?

[stiff gate]

i think we do 3 war machines solo and then the double war machine at the end

but u could also just do another pull in the mastermind area instead of one of those probably

[round cliff]

i could totally just construct the route myself

ill look into it later

can u edit existing routes on keystone.guru

[stiff gate]

personally, with triple melee dps, the extractors are by far the worst pulls, so we opted to skip after the first one because almost anything else (besides peacekeepers) was a better option for us

[round cliff]

yea extractors always suck

[small steeple]

One thing I don't get is why people say that the trash in that section is some of the best in the dungeon for count and ease to kill. Like, pugs always die to extractors

[stiff gate]

if you have a bunch of ranged its probably easy

but id still rather just make my healer suffer fighting a war machine than have to manage 2 casters while dodging a million circles with 4 people in melee range

[round cliff]

healers aren't people

it's ok to stress em out

they like it

[dusky canopy]

What that shark doin

[round cliff]

im straight up about to route that shark in

he's in contaminated water. it's humanitarian

[sharp gale]

it dies 100%

[stiff gate]

https://www.twitch.tv/saiyoran/clip/KitschyRudeMagePeanutButterJellyTime-h6d_nvFbaNhYfjt8 here i made a clip

[small steeple]

oh thats interesting

[stiff gate]

can also go faster but i think the dps were waiting on me even though we had a good shark patrol

if you have a bad shark patrol just taunt it while you're on the plank and tank it for a sec then you can leap to the rock when your friends are across

[naive panther]

I like skipping a lot so lust on first boss. Do two double war machines at end.

[round cliff]

kill shark for %

[stiff gate]

lol

[small steeple]

what do you do here? I know you jump over that wall, but then its kinda vague based on what you said

[round cliff]

im not joking i think this is the future

[round cliff]

didnt even know you COULD go right

ngl

[stiff gate]

after the 3rd pull, we backtrack around the left side

like most groups do, where u run along the wall and behind the house

[round cliff]

how are u stealthing thru all that

[stiff gate]

not stealthing

sec

[small steeple]

So you wait for the mec, but how do you avoid groups 6/5 there and 8/7 exactly? I know 7 can be out ranged by going all the way to the right of the path there, but then the mech is there

[stiff gate]

https://www.twitch.tv/saiyoran/clip/CooperativeVictoriousSquidTinyFace-WvgWWFvF766Xu31v ignore the shroud it was just for move speed i guess

everything important sees stealth

(we do the exact same route without a rogue)

[small steeple]

Oh interesting

so like the red line

Didn't know 6 could be avoided

[stiff gate]

yeah, u sometimes have to wati for that peacekeeper by group 6 to leave

he runs around

also a lot of groups dont even do that 3rd pull i have in my route (group 4 in your picture), they just go straight to the peacekeeper after the wall jump

[round cliff]

reminder for myself to go back to this

[stiff gate]

just depends where u wanna make up your count

[round cliff]

actually can u share me the mdt string?

in dms

[stiff gate]

im not at home rn so i cant open the game

[round cliff]

shart

and fard

[stiff gate]

just wasting time at work lol

[round cliff]

open wow at work

[stiff gate]

dangerous

[round cliff]

brave, you mean

do it

[chrome lance]

https://tenor.com/view/owen-wilson-nervous-nelly-father-figures-father-figures-gifs-scared-gif-9880976

[spare cave]

guys what should i be crafting as a prot war playing mainly m+?

[strong forum]

shield/weapon ideally

[round cliff]

im gonna wait til vault obvi but assuming nothing relevant

my only 2 champ pieces left are shield and boots

craft shield craft boots duskthread on both ez clap?

[lusty grotto]

🤔

yet another shaman rager

c:

LOL

they died and we ran it back, i pulled again and the patrol didnt agro, weird

i guess i should have played their characters better

asked are you sure after doing the pull

thats when he raged with the mdt shit

[toxic pewter]

So many dudes backseat tanking these days. It’s actually out of control

[lusty grotto]

im just gonna rename this route to "Blacklist Dreadtote-Dalaran"

[toxic pewter]

Happened to me today too, like one pull didn’t go ideally and he started harassing me

[lusty grotto]

he rage quit after healer linked kick meter

totally timeable btw

[toxic pewter]

Sounds about right

[lusty grotto]

yeah

same as any season

its back to shaman ragers i guess

after being absent for a couple of them

[toxic pewter]

Mine was a mage who I was doing same amount of damage as

[lusty grotto]

mages also rage

bad mages, rather

so yeah i get it

[toxic pewter]

It was in theater of pain and I was a bit slower than usual grouping those green spirit things around the corner

Just dumb to ruin timeable keys

[lusty grotto]

yeah

but alas

i dont think that'll ever change

[smoky anvil]

Good mages are gods

Bad mages die to everything they can and alter time at 7% and rage at the heals when they get their guts splattered

[round cliff]

if vdh doesn't take sigil of chains what utility do they have other than sigil of fear/silence

[smoky anvil]

Unfortunately they are also like 90% of all mages

[lusty grotto]

yes that also will never change

[grim pilot]

raid buff

kinda

counts

[toxic pewter]

Chaos nova, darkness, 3% increased magic dam, prob more crap I can’t think of

[round cliff]

like why vdh on stix instead of smth else

what makes them fit into the stix comp

silence?

[lusty grotto]

for what

on stix?

oh for the casters

[round cliff]

yea the mythic stix comp is bdk vdh isn't it

[lusty grotto]

i mean you dont really need them, you can just ball them

bdk is cursed in stix

no bueno

cant slappy hands

[round cliff]

isn't that what was run in rwf

[lusty grotto]

youll fuck your balls with crabs

prot warrior dude

[toxic pewter]

We got nerfed cuz of race to world first

[lusty grotto]

but yeah yipz was playing bdk

you just cant do that with other people

yipz is a gamer and knows when not to grip

[round cliff]

im the vdh (maybe) not the bdk

im trying to justify my alts by hyping up vdh to myself

[lusty grotto]

shrug

i dont think VDH is required for any fight

havoc probably better in a comp

but whatever, that fight is cursed for melee anyway

[floral bronze]

can i stop stacking haste now

46% haste with ITF fully stacked

[round cliff]

no u need more

u need 46% base

before itf

[nocturne spindle]

more haste

more fun

[floral bronze]

mate is that even possible

im already at 664.69 ilvl

[round cliff]

are u using double cursed haste

[floral bronze]

no 1x radiant haste 1x radiant crit, i honestly thought 46% with flask and ITF is alright

[round cliff]

room for improvement

MORE haste

[jagged gust]

y'all don't have 50% base haste yet?

[waxen frigate]

Gripping my balls

[tepid sigil]

Yo boys, has anyone been trying MT in 12+ keys, how does it feel is better at surviving and how much lower is the damage?

[waxen frigate]

Havoc is very strong so yeah idk why you’d play vdh if you’re in a guild with good havoc players

(I say, playing vdh)

[winged pawn]

first time hitting 2k!! ty everyone here for helping this noob

[floral bronze]

gratz bro, go for 3k this season for the mount ❤️

[winged pawn]

hahah i think ill stay at 7s for now. its like the perfect balance for me

[floral bronze]

yeah just do it at the end of 11.1.5 where everyone has 675 ilvl and the corruptions

[urban vortex]

Really thinking of swapping from nelf to dorf. Someone talk me off the ledge

[warm plinth]

Why

[floral bronze]

are there really that many things you can dispell this ssn with dwarf racial? i never felt like i need a dispell this ssn

[urban vortex]

Bleeds are really chunking me this season idk why. Might be an IP uptime thing but grass looks greener on the other side

[floral bronze]

but what bleeds? i can only think of motherload that one miniboss before elemental boss

[mighty valley]

first boss priory

is the main one

[urban vortex]

Motherlode boss, priory 1st boss

Even miniboss before 2nd motherlode boss

[mighty valley]

but idk it's one additional cooldown. not worth looking like a dwarf to me tbh

[floral bronze]

idk ive timed priory on +12 and never felt like the bleed hit me that hard, just cycle defensives

[mighty valley]

i'm 5'6 in real life, why be even shorter in my video games

[floral bronze]

yeah i HATE how dwarfs look tbh. earthen are sick tho

[charred lodge]

Colossus vs Thane for M+ after nerfs?

[floral bronze]

collo

[urban vortex]

100% not a fan of the dorf aesthetic

[neon elk]

There are like 2-3 bleeds where u totaly dont need to be dwarf , its nice to be , but wont change anything realy

[floral bronze]

stay nelf brother, rating is temporary, drip is eternal

[neon elk]

I love them small buljy dwarfs, full jugernaut gear on them and bigass shield

[floral bronze]

i play void elf for the drip

[urban vortex]

You right 💦💦💦

[round cliff]

play orc

orc is strong

[floral bronze]

honestly mechagnome is BiS for warriors, it synergizes so well with our cheat death and the +main stat is crazy

[round cliff]

mechagnome is bis for nobody

if you play mechagnome im not inviting u to my groups

[floral bronze]

based

[winged pawn]

based

lol

[wooden robin]

Undead warrior for life. Prob my classic days staying with me.

[round cliff]

undead is valid

[waxen frigate]

Based

[stark aspen]

how fucking is brutal that fury slayer guys? ^^

[coarse ferry]

where is this 46% before ITF value coming from? Assuming you are saying it should be this unbuffed (no flask or food, etc)... seems a bit much

[round cliff]

i made it up

[lusty grotto]

😮

[lusty grotto]

priory, ML, cinderbrew, darkcleft

cinderbrew first pull, darkcleft 1st pull and creepers

🤷‍♂️

plenty of dispellables too

its fine to not like dwarf, but to say it doesnt have uses idk what game youre playing

[toxic pewter]

Yeah it’s still imbalanced

Op

Shadowmeld is strong too though no real reason can’t find value of shadowmeld while you’re nelf

Can prob meld bunch of mechanics and crap

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[toxic pewter]

I mean they’re no vulpera

But they get by

[lusty grotto]

kinda feels like he was 1guying for quick answers to dwarfable abilities

[neon elk]

Feels like with meld u gotta be kind of carefull and its realy not that usefull in pugs

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[toxic pewter]

Ny vulp drip on point these days ngl

[lusty grotto]

melding missile in ML last boss is giga cursed

[frigid spire]

is col>MT dmg stillthe go to in M+ and Raid?

[toxic pewter]

lol

[lusty grotto]

go marksmanship

c:

[mighty valley]

i wish we could get a notification everytime a tip in a username prevents someone from posting a question

a little thank you ding goes off

[lusty grotto]

lol idk about that

would be good to see if it actually works

[jagged gust]

Just @lusty grotto every message

[neon elk]

Poor fella doing gods work and u wanna abuse it

[dusky canopy]

Nim looking into crystal ball do I kill stix night?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[jagged gust]

https://tenor.com/view/burn-watchtheworld-somemen-batman-alfred-gif-5321685

[dusky canopy]

Fuck yeah

We’re so hyped now!!!

[lusty grotto]

!8ball

wait didnt valkyr used to have an 8 ball

[dusky canopy]

Ahhhh I see what you did there

[warm plinth]

Eyir sucks

[gilded tendon]

fuk u @warm plinth

[lusty grotto]

eyir 8ball

[dusky canopy]

[lusty grotto]

denied

by ghash

[warm plinth]

I didn't deny

[dusky canopy]

I’m doing a pirates of the Caribbean movie marathon with the wife

I forgot how much I enjoy these movies

[warm plinth]

Nice

[lusty grotto]

they fun

[warm plinth]

I've only ever seen 1, 2, and part of 3

[dusky canopy]

Davey jones is such a good character

For a “bad guy”

[warm plinth]

I just rewatched final destination 1-3 and tomorrow gonna watch 4 and 5 for the first time

[dusky canopy]

The name sounds familiar

I feel like Ive seen one of them at least

[jagged gust]

He's going full destination

[lusty grotto]

i watched the 1st one, it was fun

[neon elk]

Final destination was goated at begining , like first 2-3 , then it went to shit imho

[humble rose]

Hi guys, Which is better, Scrapfield or Vexie's Pit Whistle? (In terms of Tanking M+)

[lusty grotto]

but also made me paranoid at simple shit

[warm plinth]

Kid has a vision of plane crashing, gets off plane with a bunch of people, plane crashes, then death kills the survivors in fucked up ways

[jagged gust]

2nd or 3rd one has a big pileup on a motorway due to a logging truck

[warm plinth]

Ye 2nd one

[dusky canopy]

Ohhh that’s right it’s the movies where people die to freak accidents the whole time right?

[warm plinth]

Third is the roller coaster

Yes

[jagged gust]

yeah people cheat death, but death is a sore loser

[neon elk]

That movie taught me not to follow trucks way before i even had licence ngl

[dusky canopy]

The weights crushing that guys head is forever imprinted in my mind lmao

Idr witch one it was in but it’s there

[lusty grotto]

both are decent, sim

[warm plinth]

That's the third one

I love that one because you know something is gonna happen and it still surprises you lol

[dusky canopy]

Gruesome man

[jagged gust]

would you believe there's actually meta spoilers at this point?

[mighty valley]

i saw final destination 3 on dvd and my friends insisted on turning on the special feature where you got to "choose the outcome"

it was

SO bad

just the most jankily edited thing imaginable

[jagged gust]

You know a franchise has lived too long when the "Gruesome death simulator" series has fucking lore

[dusky canopy]

Lmao

[jagged gust]

holy shit, interactable DVDs?

[dusky canopy]

Bro take me back to 2008

Fuck

Good times

[jagged gust]

You see the new season of Lost bro?

[mighty valley]

dvd menu screen on loop at the party for hours... peak

[dusky canopy]

[jagged gust]

[lusty grotto]

yeah its called Silo

c:

and/or Severance

not really but they have some relatable things

[jagged gust]

Yeah Severance has that distant cousins kinda feel to Lost

[lusty grotto]

i have the box set of blue rays

the lost one

[jagged gust]

I was super excited about the new release of the extended LOTR trilogy like a year or two ago

and somewhere in the process of opening the box I realized I haven't owned a player since the mid 2000s

[echo egret]

The One-Armed Bandit : if i click on a pylon/coil, it triggers it but it's removed, right ?

[winged pawn]

whats a good 675 craft after shield, weapon?

[vocal pewter]

If I'm at 13k haste should i funnel haste (haste enchants etc.)

[keen leaf]

does tome sim correctly? eye of kezan is simming way higher

[winged pawn]

have u seen white lotus, its my fav along w severance

its on hbo max tho

[chilly brook]

Doesn’t feel any tankier than Colossus to me and it’s a lot less damage

[neon elk]

Use custom in pins for tome

[mighty valley]

white lotus is so good this season lmao

uncomfortable ALL the time

[chilly brook]

You need like 17k to even run ITF so yeah

[vocal pewter]

Do we not go ITF until that breakpoint?

[chilly brook]

You’re not going to be able to keep shield block up before that so yeah you’d go HR

[lusty grotto]

ive heard good things but the premise doesnt really interest me

[vocal pewter]

Thank you

[lusty grotto]

maybe ill give it a try

[warm plinth]

Choose your own adventure. Goosebumps ftw

[jagged gust]

I couldn't stand those, I kept getting my ass murked

[warm plinth]

Maybe you should have better decision making

[mighty valley]

did you watch succession? there’s a little overlap in that you won’t like any of these people

that’s a dealbreaker for some people lol

[sharp gale]

it didn't die

[neon elk]

Damn thats sadge

[lusty grotto]

i did, and i liked it

[mighty valley]

white lotus isn’t that level, succession is an all timer for me

[lusty grotto]

succession was very good television

almost masterpiece level

like breaking bad

[mighty valley]

but it’s good if you like fucked up people being awful to each other, especially this season

[lusty grotto]

if not masterpiece level outright

i dont really like people being awful with each other but when the characters are compelling and well-acted, i cant turn away

[vestal cove]

Just bricked a key on Priestess in Priory - lusted to blast the shield down and interrupted quickly but all the adds went straight on healer and insta killed. I used challenging shout just after and they didn’t seem to come to me. Was it my fault?

[neon elk]

Nope

[sudden lynx]

Who knows tbh

[dusty arch]

they aren't tauntable

[neon elk]

Tjey are fixated , u can help with slows dmg and cc on them and thats it pretty much

Can interv also but that saves like 1 hit

[dusty arch]

you can shockwave, intim, or 40% slow from tc, but everyone should have tons of cc. dps just weren't using it

[neon elk]

It also can help if u drag boss to other side of that "balcony" so they have to run longer way

[vestal cove]

Ooof. That makes me feel better. Not a problem on my DK as I abom limb but my warrior love is making me go again

[mighty valley]

I did one yesterday where my monk buddy put a RoP perfectly in the middle of the platform

Where it affected no one

[sharp gale]

@jagged pier you are so right, third night on stix i never was so tilted on a boss since i restarted to play the game, 100 pulls i want it to end, i'm so much in a ball and people still don't understand how it works

[mighty valley]

It was beautiful

[neon elk]

There is tons of stuff u can use there , i kinda like good hunters and their traps there

[gleaming panther]

Hi guys, what do u think about thrinket Scrapfield 9001 ?

[waxen frigate]

it's decent but there are better options

last I checked (about 2 weeks ago) it doesn't work in sims though

it should basically jsut be considered a 30% uptime haste stat stick

the absorb is very negligible

[gleaming panther]

Ok i see

thanks

because i dont know which one equip between :

Scrapfield 665, Radio reverb 658 and Mister Lock 665

i have ¨Pacemaker in addition

[waxen frigate]

Scrapfield is almost certainly not the play

I'd just sim the other 3

Reverb is kinda just a superior scrapfield, serves a very similar purpose

but afaik has better uptime

[lusty grotto]

scrap is better if you take no damage

[waxen frigate]

damage taken is completely irrelevant to the trinket's uptime

[lusty grotto]

at least according to Nome

[waxen frigate]

i have done a pretty considerable amount of testing with it

[chilly brook]

Which is silly because it’s really just the same as heroic just you have an assigned quadrant and need to hit a mastermind/bomb if it’s there and there’s more bombshells to avoid

[waxen frigate]

the uptime is basically 30-35% in any given content regardless of damage intake

[chilly brook]

I have one I suppose I can try it

And see what my uptime is

[waxen frigate]

70% uptime is definitely incorrect

but that was also a post made during PTR

[waxen frigate]

i have a pretty considerable amount of logs on VDH using it

[vocal pewter]

is Suspicious Energy Drink sim bait or solid?

[chilly brook]

Nom was saying it’s good on live not just ptr

[waxen frigate]

yes i agree

but it isn't 70%

[chilly brook]

VDH tho

[waxen frigate]

that just isn't possible given how the trinket works

the 20sec period doesnt start until after the 12sec haste buff

so maximum possible uptime is like 37%?

ish?

[waxen frigate]

if anything that should reduce the uptime because my damage intake would be higher

[chilly brook]

That’s the point

[waxen frigate]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/D2Yj3MdPw9yKzfQr?fight=1&type=auras&source=4&ability=472167

[waxen frigate]

my point is it's not physically possible to have 70%

that isn't how the trinket works lol

[sharp gale]

i did the ball 48 times i'm just forgiving what my char looks like
https://fr.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PVQBGX2fJd4rx1bN?type=auras&boss=3012&difficulty=5&wipes=1&spells=debuffs&by=target&hostility=1&ability=465346&source=23

[waxen frigate]

maybe it was on PTR but not on live

[chilly brook]

Idk group wants to do some keys today so worst case scenario I confirm your findings, best case I find out it’s not

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[waxen frigate]

honestly i just wish it simmed properly

i don't know how to submit a PR or whatever to fix it

[lusty grotto]

just needs custom apl or w/e

[waxen frigate]

ignore my name xdd

[waxen frigate]

no, the trinket just isn't implemented in simc

[lusty grotto]

interesting

[waxen frigate]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FzRnJ8mXWHP1v2YT?fight=33&type=auras&source=1266&ability=472167

here is a pwarr log from a 13 meadery

32% uptime on haste

which is very in line with my observations on vdh

[waxen frigate]

yeah it literally just sims as like

flat mainstat nothing else

🤷‍♂️

APL wouldn't work because all an APL is is an action priority list

it just determines how items/abilities are used

but if simc doesn't know what the item does, using it is moot

[lusty grotto]

im aware

[sonic terrace]

how should i feel about this dps? good or bad

[waxen frigate]

if you're the mage or shaman you should feel very bad

[sonic terrace]

tank

[waxen frigate]

otherwise pretty decent

[neon elk]

Depends on dung and key lvl

[sonic terrace]

9 FG

[neon elk]

Well u did fine, so did dk for that key

[waxen frigate]

route impacts a lot in floodgate

but yea you did fine

any key where you're breaking 2mil is solid

like you're very much doing your job

but can't really say anything more without logs in terms of how well you're actually playing

[neon elk]

Sham and mage could defo be higher , and so should that healer , sub 200k is afking half the time or idk ..

[sonic terrace]

mage was 639 he was DK friend and shammy was rando 662

[neon elk]

Well then mage did rather fine

[sonic terrace]

it was a fun key i just saw 3k i.o dps and was like "lets just pull hard" lol

i can fuck around with pulls and stuff

[vocal pewter]

Confused by sims, out of these 3, would do we reccommend? Bomsuit, Energy Drink, Scrapfield

[lusty grotto]

bombsuit will not sim high

its primarily a defensive trinket

the best defensive trinket actually

so sims will not give you any data for that

or rather, it will be lower than others

since the offensive part is just a nice bonus at best

idk what the fuck is energy drink

and scroll up for scrapfield talk

which results in not simming correctly at all

[neon elk]

Its mastery proc or something iirc from delves

[vocal pewter]

yeah its some mastery proc shit

[lusty grotto]

well mastery procs are good

thats why house of cards is good

[vocal pewter]

Scrapfield just feels weird

[frozen berry]

Eye of Kezan seems like sim bait more than anything. It takes 4 minutes to get to full stacks

[waxen frigate]

scrapfield does not work in sims at all

[vocal pewter]

It also just seems weird in play too

[waxen frigate]

scroll up a bit we just talked about it for a while

it's not really

[lusty grotto]

absolutely not

[smoky anvil]

Eye of Kezan has value even if not at max stacks

[grim pilot]

its not sim bait if it sims well at 5 min patchwerk but takes long to ramp

if u want to sim for short encounters then use 2-3min sim

[lusty grotto]

like anvil and cataclysmic signet brand

c:

[bleak breach]

Just have to maintain combat or close enough to it, which isn’t difficult.

Chain pull, drop combat to let healer drink.
Once healer starts drinking pull, easy enough.

Big pew pew

[neon elk]

Play with healer that dont need to drink

[mighty valley]

all healers need to drink, it’s the only way to cope with the pain

[neon elk]

Havent seen monk drink yet ngl

[cerulean tusk]

You do, it is the channel they do once a while

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/superman-joke-gif-7319521

[neon elk]

Gimme break dude singular brain cell cant handle shit at that hour

[lusty grotto]

lol

i feel that

[merry sluice]

the things I see when I'm not tanking a key

[grave vector]

Anyone here lf premades to push?

[austere sleet]

I'm too sleepy I read that as 16% lmao

[glad spear]

what build is best for m+

colossus or mountain

[lusty grotto]

shadow

[glad spear]

thanks!

ur helpful

[bleak breach]

Colossus just better

[glad spear]

thank u

[bleak breach]

Don’t need Thane at all for any situation

[merry sluice]

if it makes u feel better

he pressed LS 4 times

and only pressed shield wall 4 seconds after charging in

to his double muscle + chewie pull

[austere sleet]

lmfao

[lusty grotto]

youre welcome, its not like its in my nickname or anything

[glad spear]

idc i didnt pick that up i havent played warr in like 2 years

[lusty grotto]

okie

[glad spear]

u see mine

[lusty grotto]

angry arent we

but yes, i can read

i didnt forget that by not playing for 2 years

[glad spear]

XDDD

u wanna b smart i will 2

<3

thank u guys

[lusty grotto]

hard to claim that if you cant read 🙂

[merry sluice]

read mine :>

[glad spear]

stop typign 2 me

[glad spear]

cute :3

[lusty grotto]

who typing to you

[toxic pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-ackchyually-actually-gif-11156171

[sharp gale]

It is not sim bait, it’s just a trinket for raid 4-5min + bosses

(Which last 3 bosses in mythic really likes getting hit harder after 5min)

[unkempt bough]

i bet this has been asked numerous times but im new to the community.

what is the go to build after the Collosus nerf and Mountain thane buff, has thane become the better option now, opinions?

[lyric fern]

colossus still better in aoe

[grave vector]

Resto druid lf tank to push keys, currently 2.7k Rio

[lusty grotto]

this is not a matchmaking disc

there are other discords for that

@warm plinth link him the one

[stoic pilot]

I've got a couple questions since I'm not super versed in Colossus, does execute with execute build completely eclipse revenge as a spender in ST bosses once you get the threshold, just resorting to SS -> TC for rage gen, using revenge only with procs, As well as in general I see the guide says revenge -> thunder clap for colossus, am I just only using TC as a last resort in ST with 0 rage + no SS available?

[lusty grotto]

yes

do not use revenge with only procs

use it when you have rage

youre using TC to refresh rend

and/or if your SS is on CD and you need the rage to revenge

[stoic pilot]

Okay so it's debuff maintenance for Colossus and a filler of a filler, got it

[lusty grotto]

youre mostly going to be doing SS into Revenge into SS into Revenge

you can repeat revenges with procs, and/or if your rage is good

same rules apply: never starve, never cap

use IP when youre almost to the cap

[stoic pilot]

got it, ty nimchip!

[lusty grotto]

revenge pretty much maintains IP

with BrV and No Stranger To Pain

but keep using it smart as a spender when you cant use a gcd to burn the rage (i.e. revenge)

[warm plinth]

Discord.gg/mythicplusfriends

[lusty grotto]

ty

[sharp gale]

It is too much, I join you

[lusty grotto]

lol

[bleak breach]

Ffs got no mastery or verse so now it’s outweighting even strength per point for extra dps

Might have to change a ring or neck.

[harsh trellis]

On heroic Gallywix. Is there a way to bait the bombs or is there a trick other than after the tank soak. everyone stacks together.

like if ranged went and stacked out would it target the furtherst away etc?

[bleak breach]

Think it’s just random

Ahh sorry, misread.
Thought you were talking about the duds.
The other bomb is just 2 random players, so tighter you soak the better the odds they are where you want them.

[weary vault]

anyone else feel like shit in keys now after the changes? Doing 13s and 14s and it just feels awful.

[bleak breach]

I felt sad that I wasn’t beating the dps, haven’t really noticed much else.

[weary vault]

I don't feel as tanky anymore

Might have to swap to thane

[bleak breach]

They didn’t nerf survivability, maybe slightly because of brutal vitality I guess.

[weary vault]

Oh I know that's why I'm confused.

My gear hasn't changed but it feels like my haste is way to low now

[lusty grotto]

its fort week

[weary vault]

I'm doing 13-14 keys lmao

[bleak breach]

This week is worse because the healers are wasting all their mana on the constant dispels too

[lusty grotto]

well how would i know

we have people from all ranges here

[weary vault]

#protection message

[bleak breach]

13-14s will be tough no matter what.
You won’t just dog walk them at our ilvl

[weary vault]

Yeah I might just need to pull better around cds or swap some crit out for haste.

[bleak breach]

What’s your haste at and ilvl?

Also shield ilvl will make a big difference.

[limber galleon]

Does everybody here plays with Ravager ?

[lusty grotto]

crafted or myth shield?

[bleak breach]

^

[lusty grotto]

by any chance?

[bleak breach]

I do, if you’re dying a lot you could change it.

[lusty grotto]

we all do

has nothing to do with dying

you swap battering for BSV, not ravager

[limber galleon]

Ok I swapped ravager to BSV to have one less button to worry about as I’m learning

[pearl zinc]

i think your better off posting a log and what not

[lusty grotto]

yes

[pearl zinc]

yall do that here right?

[lusty grotto]

Rembourrage is right

[pearl zinc]

[lusty grotto]

we do

[pearl zinc]

pog

[merry sluice]

are you pugging?

[lusty grotto]

usually in #1347646810457636974 but its fine to post here

[pearl zinc]

i like shield charge, goated ability

CHERRY

[merry sluice]

Keep in mind if you don’t run with a regular group. The quality of members (and thus difficulty to live) will vary greatly, agnostic of balance changes

Cherry

[limber galleon]

In pugs and smaller keys, would you then recommend using thunderous roar and ravager at the same time or pace them out pull to pull? People don’t really wait for me to gather they just blast from even before my charge is over.

[lusty grotto]

use troar yea

its great for snap threat

but its probably better to wait until youve gathered everything for ravager

[limber galleon]

Troar is 360 but how many yards do you know ?

[lusty grotto]

should be on the tooltip, im not in game atm

[limber galleon]

I’m not in front of the game atm

Ha ok I’ll check thank you

[formal elbow]

warrior friends, i wanna craft 1hand+shield...ascendence on 1hand? i have old bracers with +versa if above 80% hp

[lusty grotto]

ascendance not worth without writhing

just do a plain one

shield first though

[formal elbow]

have alrdy hero track shield, but 1hand is 636 or so..so will do 1hand first then..on shield then better 2. time versa if above 80% huh?

[lusty grotto]

shield first

gilded shield >>>>>>>> hero shield

[formal elbow]

oh no i don t have the best crests atm

only 2. best

[lusty grotto]

oh, do whatever then

[formal elbow]

thanks friend

[weary vault]

From time to time

[weary vault]

Both 1h and shield are heroic ilvl. I unfort play all three specs atm. Mainly arms.
26% crit 33% Haste 28% Mastery 8% Vers 664 ilvl

Using HoC and Seaforium atm can't get a def trinket to save my life

[formal elbow]

about embellishments im confused, here and on wowhead it says: 2x versa if above 80% hp..but most very good tanks use ascension +the other one which double it..or 2x crit above 80%...what is better now...have to sim it?

[lusty grotto]

craft a shield

shit will hurt less, it will be noticeable

at least as soon as you can

[weary vault]

Yeah I'm working on it..... they keep flipping me back and forth for raid tank or not. So I'm praying a myth 2h drops from vault next week so I can craft one

[lusty grotto]

most tanks rushed shield + weap so they slapped ascendance on it for the time being until they get more sparks for dawn/dusk, but yes its a sim angle, i used crit+vers last season, this season might be different depending on sims

[round cliff]

how reasonable is 1.3 mil dps on heroic mugzee

[formal elbow]

ok thanks again

[round cliff]

am i boosted or not

1.27 mil specifically

[lusty grotto]

thats ok damage

r1 is 1.8

[formal elbow]

oh i just saw myth 1hand @ raid is at rik for prot warrior..na i guess i won t reach that..maybe 2. boss in the future, so 1hand craft is a good idea ^^

[lusty grotto]

i thought you didnt have gilded

use your gilded on shield first, like i mentioned

[formal elbow]

atm i have no golden

in the future i will

[undone beacon]

i opened the weekly dungeon event box on my alt guardian and got the eye of kezan heroic

gonna kms

it sims as a downgrade wtf

[mighty valley]

what are you simming

[lusty grotto]

eye of kezan needs 5m sims

same deal as anvil and cataclysmic signet, from aberrus and amirdrassil

@undone beacon

[undone beacon]

Yeah I simmed it at 5 mins and it still showed worse than the Turbo Drain delve trinket

I’d have to go back downstairs to my pc to fuck with it, I’m gonna just use it cuz like I got it and my guild will hate me otherwise

Wild thing to pull on a fuckin alt

[lusty grotto]

a lot of sim baits this season lmao

especially from delves holy

well i suppose that one isnt really sim bait, its 4ppm hastened

no im curious

[formal elbow]

i got that gally trinket on my mage too, its only good at very long fights kinda 7min or so..so kinda dead for hero raid ^^ and THAT good delve trinket =candle my mage never gets..sigh

[lusty grotto]

hmm

[undone beacon]

hmmm

Worth noting it’s on a Guardian Druid, don’t know if the mastery on it skews things

Let me go downstairs and run it again I’m curious

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/e6Ex2ZVqrmrAQ6ucZxLwga

[lusty grotto]

welp

bears be bears

[undone beacon]

sigh

of course I get eye on the one char I have that doesnt even fuckin want it lol

[lusty grotto]

are you using ST talents

[undone beacon]

Slightly modified but yeah

[lusty grotto]

well yeah idk

[undone beacon]

Mastery is largely a bunk stat for bear so I guess having a mastery stick that has to ramp mainstat just doesnt cut it over straight mainstat and dmg proc

Makes sense, just feels bad

[lusty grotto]

its even bigger on a 5 target 5 min sim

for me at least

[undone beacon]

Yeah I'm running a 5 target sim rn

[lusty grotto]

not that its that realistic but yea

[undone beacon]

Might be worth dragging into keys where I can play more aggro

Bear chain pulling is super fun, moonfire everywhere

[lusty grotto]

maybe there's some nature dmg modifiers? or versa factoring in?

talents shouldnt affect trinket damage but maybe a weird interaction

versa definitively does though

[undone beacon]

Maybe? Moon Bear cares more about arcane damage though but who knows

I'm sure it'll be better on my feral off spec or something

[lusty grotto]

yeah

kind of arcane all the way even with dotc

[undone beacon]

5 min 5 target

[lusty grotto]

lol

thats amazing

[undone beacon]

thats one word for it

[lusty grotto]

thank god im not playing alts this season

ive had that shit happen way more than once

[undone beacon]

Its always super depressing

My warrior got the mug'zee chestplate, which y'know is useless compared to my myth tier so

[lusty grotto]

its like WoW gives rare shit to least played characters

[undone beacon]

fr fr

C'est la vie I suppose, I'll toss it in the bank and antagonize guildies with it

[lusty grotto]

[lime mantle]

Actually WoW creates the character RNG seed on char gen, you should quickly test this on all new characters by trying to get a rare end of current raid mount like Prototype A.S.M.R.
Don't get it? Delete character, try again, that shit bricked.

[lusty grotto]

i know you trolling but

those ids are actually very real

[patent pebble]

Hey im pretty new to prot and tanking. Any tips for the initial rotation for gathering and getting aggro / threat when you have trigger happy dps? Like in the first room of cinderbrew for instance. I'm learning in colossus atm but happy to switch if thane is better

[lusty grotto]

troar and tclap with big clap

otherwise known as crackling thunder

[languid sorrel]

yo guys, how are you guys dealing with big momma on high keys? for me she's the hardest boss on this season, how do u guys feel about her?

[lusty grotto]

spell block

if spell block on cd, wall

the dot isnt spell blockable though so have care

for both momma and last boss

[round cliff]

what does spell block even do exactly
"you can block spells" ok whats a spell

fireballs obvi

[lusty grotto]

but for momma the biggest danger is the initial hit (the part thats spell blockable)

gigazap you just cant spell block anything lol

anyway always check the sheet in the pins to plan your cds

[round cliff]

oh so i should be pressing spell block a lottttt more

damn

[lusty grotto]

fruiter youre not new

i was telling Doritos, not you

i expect more from you

[round cliff]

im ngl ive literally never pressed spell block outside of the kobold mages in dfc

[lusty grotto]

ever?

not once in DF?

now im concerned

[round cliff]

i genuinely dont remember pressing spell block in df

but i also didnt play prot in df

i played fury

so looking @ this spreadsheet it just looks like any directed tank hit w/ a partial/full magic portion can be spell blocked... damn..

ive just been using the magic dr from spell reflect

[lusty grotto]

as you should

its a free extra DR

[round cliff]

well ive been using ONLY it i mean

im aware now u should stack em

[lusty grotto]

thats fine

yeah kind of

[round cliff]

or rather, alternate em

depends on the situation

[lusty grotto]

spell block can be stronger than wall at times

so sometimes SR isnt even needed

and just best paired with wall

or depending on how frequent the hits are, though i cant think of a lot of scenarios

[languid sorrel]

yeah, but even using that its still hurts A TON, but yeah, spellblock def helps a lot. I guess sometimes its about the healing and not me maybe. It's a boss that I can barely press revenge, I need to use pretty much all my rage on IP

[round cliff]

you can spell block group wide magic damage too?

damn wtf.

i feel like my third eye was just opened

[prisma pelican]

just looked at the spreadsheet and damn i should be pressing spell block way more often too

[languid sorrel]

I totally understand you... Spell block is a button I didn't press at all in the past... but its HUGE for some pulls

[lusty grotto]

its pretty massive, its why we arent hurting from magic since DF

sometimes you can crit spell block for 100% amounts

its not capped like normal block

very RNG but it happens

[languid sorrel]

do you guys have routes from high PSF to share? Want to see what prot warriors are doing

PSF for me is by far the hardest dungeon... 1st pull is hard, 1st boss is nightmare

[round cliff]

so as like a general rule of thumb

from what im seein

if it does magic damage, theres a high chance that i can just spell block it

[prisma pelican]

yoda has a nice route for psf imo. he did it a few times on his prot war yesterday and the day before if you want to check his vod

but even him get hit pretty hard on 1st boss

[languid sorrel]

oh nice, I checked his youtube but there was no videos, I'll check his VOD, thanks.

btw, another question, do you guys prefer to run Instigate or Bloodsurge?
edit: when not running Baterring ram

[lusty grotto]

yeah just check the sheet

[round cliff]

i cant be peeping at it between every pull

[lusty grotto]

every season theyve been adding more and more to the spell block list, in s1 of DF there were some spells but theyve made it pretty widespread now

when it was initially put in game

we could solo tank Sarkareth with it cause his bomb's ticks were spell blockable

the only thing that remains inconsistents is just that

[languid sorrel]

what I did to start remembering the spells was before the dungeons, I checked which pulls hurted hard and which spells, then I checked the sheet to see if it was, so I was like "ok, I now I need to press on this pull" and started memorizing

[lusty grotto]

some dots are, some dots arent spell blockable

[languid sorrel]

I don't know all the spells that are blockable, but I know which pulls I need to press

[round cliff]

im still not taking any damage in 11s except for the first ~5 pulls in cinderbrew tbh

[lusty grotto]

yeah idk you learn it pretty fast

[round cliff]

so my pressure to learn was small

[lusty grotto]

repeated exposure

etc

makes it easy to memorize which is what

and how to outplay it

[prisma pelican]

is it safe to say that every cinderbrew packs have blockable spells anyways. and the spell block duration is so long you can prob just send it on cd

[languid sorrel]

yeah, in my case I "Learned" to press it when I tried my first flood12 and died to the Bloodwarper pack before the glider

[round cliff]

in my case the thing that shredded me in cinderbrew isnt blockable anyways

the bee venom

[lusty grotto]

uhh

[languid sorrel]

but the bee last sting is iirc

[lusty grotto]

dispel? dwarf?

[languid sorrel]

dwarf <3

[round cliff]

i mightve panicked and los'd anyone who can dispel it

[lusty grotto]

who the fuck are you doing keys with that dont dispel on a 11

i mean 11 isnt exactly high, but at that point they should know

[round cliff]

no they do dispel

[languid sorrel]

what if I tell you that I was doing a floodgate 13 and the healer was like "I can't dispell the purple dot" LUL

[lusty grotto]

well theres 2

[round cliff]

they just play with my emotions and make me think they arent going to dispel

and then i panic and los them because im bad

[lusty grotto]

big guy aoe isnt dispellable

and its purple

so yeah

[languid sorrel]

I was talking about the "black blood wound" (the one which IS ) haha

[lusty grotto]

i know you were

but maybe he didnt

thats my point

[languid sorrel]

yeah, he said that it wasnt showing to him as dispellable on his UI, so I told him to test dispelling and it worked, so he was like "oh I didnt knew" but it all worked out in the end

[ebon talon]

Does indomitable use rage for the health regen?

like does it spend rage?

[lusty grotto]

not by itself

but regardless its incredibly nerfed from DF so we are opting to not use it, the healing it does is very minimal and not required

anyway its every rage YOU spend

[slender bison]

What's the general feel on Intervene? Does it need a buff? So far I've been using it in DFC at first boss when the adds fixate or as 3rd charge to run away from swirlies

[round cliff]

worthless

i dont take

[slender bison]

And in niche places like priory shooters or ToP crossbow skellies, but it seems limited

[lusty grotto]

its useful for those cases yes

[prisma pelican]

If only it could intercept magic dmg as well but yeah its pretty rare someone else in party takes phys dmg

[lusty grotto]

any physical damage thats targetted on group members is a use case

otherwise use the talent point elsewhere

[slender bison]

The magic shield is like 500k, which is kinda worthless

[prisma pelican]

just good to charge on an ally to get out of bad stuff on the ground xD

[lusty grotto]

magic shield is free though

and scales with armor

[slender bison]

Yep, like at Xav aoe I rush to the healer to move easier

[lusty grotto]

so its not 500k, that was s1 numbers

also who the f plays thane

[slender bison]

Guilty 😭

[prisma pelican]

thane enjoyer

[crude tapir]

Is Capo's Molten Fist any good for prot?

[lusty grotto]

youre optimizing the wrong thing

no

better on dps classes

the increase in dps for us is so little that secondaries have way more value

compared with a similar ilvl weapon (see: Rik's 1h)

or any of the 11 billion 1h from M+

[crude tapir]

Gotcha, was only wondering cuz it dropped and I wasn't sure to roll or not

[lusty grotto]

if nobody wants it, sure

else pass

roll for mog and/or for parse cheesing or w/e

[slender bison]

Should you execute or revenge under 20% single targets on Collosus builds?

[lusty grotto]

execute

execute the prio target

if way too many targets alive, consider just revenge

[jagged gust]

well, it's a little fuzzy

[lusty grotto]

3-4 is the number

more than 3 targets you just revenge

less than you just execute

but also its very good priority target damage so entirely up to you

[slender bison]

Got it. Asking more like boss situations to max ST dmg

[lusty grotto]

sometimes i just send it cause i want priority targets to die to stop damage etc

on ST, def

[jagged gust]

I find you have to weave in revenges over execute when you're in that 20-40 rage range, otherwise I burn out when SS resets are unlucky

[lusty grotto]

youll often get a free proc

its useful to fish SS resets

if TC is on cd that is