protection

[jagged pier]

because its hasnt changed anything

literally from the key im doing right meow

[torn gulch]

🐈

[winter loom]

I do feel kinda weird skipping IPs for spamming revenge sometimes.

[jagged pier]

theres no doing that theres plaves to revenge and places to IP

u dont skip one for the other

[winter loom]

Well I wouldn't want to drop ip in any situation imo, since you lose out so much mit

[vivid spoke]

Do i take the weapon for off spec? T.T that ring got no haste (But sims higher than the circlet) someone help pls

[mental scarab]

Uh no haste ring

[arctic citrus]

guys,

is this worth picking up

?

[upbeat geyser]

hey guys what about coloss nerf? are we switch for thane ? or its ok

[torn gulch]

colossus is still fine

[upbeat geyser]

high key too ?

[neon elk]

Honestly based on rest of your gear i would maybe pick wrists and then craft like back instead or something, max ilvl shield is sweet but "loosing" that craft rather early in season seems painful, but thats just my feelycraft

[upbeat geyser]

like 13-14

[torn gulch]

people play colossus in 17's

[upbeat geyser]

today ?

[torn gulch]

i mean colossus defensive power has not changed

it's the damage that changed

colossus still has higher damage than thane

[upbeat geyser]

thane have better defensive power i thinks

[torn gulch]

the difference is not that big if played correctly

[upbeat geyser]

okay thx u

[humble stream]

Improvised Seaforium Pacemaker or BIS 1H ? 🤔

[fast oracle]

back to thane or is colossus still the way even after the nerf?

[ionic fern]

Both are decent

Literally play whichever

Both slap.

Colossus is still ahead in damage,just slightly less.

[round vortex]

Any idea why guides are suggesting Wrists and Belt instead of Cloak and one of those for crafted slots?

Is it because we can get a good back and dogwater items in those slots?

[sand condor]

Hello friends

Are we rerolling yet

[torn gulch]

yeah we're rerolling to gunbreaker
oh wrong game

[ionic fern]

Any low budget item slot is fine - back,wrists,waist. Just pick one which you have on low ilvl and craft on it.

I think I got my stuff on wrists and shield for example.

[round vortex]

Yeha true. But being min maxxy and spoilt for choice. Cloak is best right?

[ionic fern]

If you want to be min-maxi,sim yourself. It depends on your current gear and stat distribution.

[fast oracle]

only .2m difference on my sims

[frozen lily]

So, with the nerf : Collossus or Mountain Thrane ? in MM+ ? in Raid ?

[fast oracle]

probably just whatever you were already doing

[hot orbit]

Should I prepare to be rejected and wait hours, or are we still a good tank?

[torn gulch]

any tank that is not vdh will be rejected and wait

welcome to m+ in pugs

we're still a good tank for content all the way up to current world first keys

i've seen prot warriors do 17's atm

[hot orbit]

because a good part of the community is: "how bad the prot warrior is getting nerfed... i only want op classes in my party"

[torn gulch]

again

if you re not vdh

you'll have the same treatment in pugs

[ionic fern]

You'd have to reroll every balance patch if you want to fit into the community perception.

[jagged pier]

Ive signed up to 4 keys and been invited 4 time sthis morning

[lofty glen]

the nerv doesnt matter as long as you are not aiming for world best tank no? just play the shit game. XD

[hot orbit]

For now i m doing only +3/+4 😆 I haven't played much in these weeks, and for now I always get accepted immediatly. But i know that in higher keys will be different 😆

[torn gulch]

ok that made me laugh

what key levels you re worried you won't get invited?

[hot orbit]

None.. i was asking

[torn gulch]

do you plan on doing 0.1% and world first level keys?
if not then you should not have problems with invites

[hot orbit]

in s1 with my warlock I wasn't accepted into the 8s even though I had closed several 11s 😆

[lofty glen]

well biggest issue in group finder is the tank and they even would suck warrys little wiener to get one to tank there 2-12 gungeons XD

[lofty glen]

yes but you play a tank and not dps.

[torn gulch]

tanks have more leeway with the tank shortage in m+

atm at the 13-14 level you do get glossed over for vdh's much more

[lofty glen]

beyond 12+ its getting a bit mor difficult but just start 😄

[torn gulch]

but i was looking at my friends doing 14-15's and the quality of vdh in there is atrocious

fotm rerollers with one neuron between all of them

saw one vdh complaining about dps in a 14 top and he had 700k overall, did stupid pulls and after a nasty wipe just left the group

that's what you have to deal with

[lofty glen]

well i was sick of playing vdh all day in DF so i choose arms warry. now i am tanking again with warry XD

[hardy snow]

[raw parcel]

People keep saying this. And yeah, we were doing the best tank damage... and yet, even with that, we were still the third best. Before the nerfs.

Now they took that away (and apparently stealth nerfed us harder than the patch notes state). I wouldn't mind eating a damage loss if they gave us some more mob control or sustain.

[hearty rain]

Feels like our dmg would get lower the higher keys we go anyway with more IP usage, but is what it is

[raw parcel]

It just strikes me as ridiculous that Prot Warrior does one thing well and it gets nerfed within weeks. VDH had double sigils for, what, half an expansion?

[hearty rain]

haha so true

[unborn island]

It's fucking stupid. But there you go huh

[jagged pier]

Its a tooltip bug

And i dont know why u all complain i was still besting dps in keys this morning

[raw parcel]

Bad DPS*

[jagged pier]

We were only beating bad dps before hhand

[raw parcel]

True, now we're only beating paste-eaters. 😭

And yes, I can still beat paste-eaters. It still sucks.

[cursive timber]

Is the Tome still BiS trinket?

[tough yarrow]

hey guys collossus still better for m+?

[valid spade]

I'm in limbo

Every day, is colossus better than thrane.

Nothing changes iamso, nothing ever changes. We colossus

I'm in work I can't open vault, I want to see what I have!

[valid spade]

Think so.

[crisp crown]

Tips on what to craft? bracer angle?

[remote anchor]

boots

head

bracers is like half the stats of helm

[crisp crown]

ah ye boots might be a good one tbh

[cursive timber]

What would the current bis trinkets be for M+?

[idle copper]

Tome and something like the seaforium

[cursive timber]

Alrighty, guess I am taking the Tome over the shoulder from vault then, thank you!

[remote anchor]

noggenfogger is only st damage

[cursive timber]

how do u sim M+ dmg in raidbots? is there some recommendation?

[torn gulch]

5 patchwerk 1 min

works decently well

[cursive timber]

thankies

[lofty warren]

What does knowledge do in professions?

[humble stream]

Improvised Seaforium Pacemaker it's still second bis trinket ?

[keen star]

do you know why? do they have more damage, defense or utility?

[torn gulch]

it's primarly utility

they're pretty tanky as well and output good damage

[keen star]

oh ok I might level one up after I get my 3k rio on warrior

[torn gulch]

they are the most well rounded tank at the moment

[keen star]

so sounds like they also have community perception on their side which boosts them more than they deserve

in LFG

[torn gulch]

plus the community is very easily influenced by streamers which were extensively playing vdh since ptr

it happens every season

the average quality of fotm tanks is atrocious every season

[prisma echo]

Just did same brew+10 on my two tanks

VDH 661 juiced in bis items - 1.6kk dmg
Pwar 656 not bis - 2kk

Same survivability even less hp yoyo on pwar, vdh more utility and easier to pull. On both im kinda low skilled/not experienced enough so also have it in matter that you can do better. Just my obserwations from today

[torn gulch]

https://raider.io/characters/cn/alar/Zippokk
look at the bad boy

he's pumping at 664 ilvl

warrior is more than capable

[prisma echo]

interesting choice of plaing Thunderlord

[torn gulch]

that is actually an interesting choice

[jade tartan]

is it a mountain thane angle now?

[lofty warren]

Is wowhead requiring ppl to update the guides after trinket tuning?

[ionic fern]

It's whatever you want to play angle.

Enjoy that we have 2 capable hero talents with different playstyles.

[jade tartan]

i like the zugzug more

ty ❤️

[lofty warren]

Really the bigger question is it the tribket tier list on wowhead changed at all after tuning

[potent basin]

What trinket tuning?

I didn’t see it

[ionic fern]

Think he is referring to the one that was done like a week ago.

Maybe a bit less.

[potent basin]

What changed?

[ionic fern]

Numbers.

You can probably find it by searching "trinket tuning" in the news channel.

[sharp steppe]

Tbf you should be doing 2.3m with VDH 661 4 set bis trinkets

[prisma echo]

Thats why i said im low skilled 😄

I could propably do even more on my pwar

[strong forum]

the issue is most people are jusdt playing the wrong fucking hero tree

overwhelming majority even

[hardy snow]

I remember yesterday someone was posting some shorter version of APL for tome sims, is this shorter version valid or only pinned one works?

[strong forum]

people have been timing 18s last season with felscarred where 18s were MUCH harder than current season

felscarred got buffed and interacts better with tierset and yet people are sucking off reaver for some stupid reason this season

when as FS they could be doing 3mil+ overall as FS instead of 1.5mil as AR

[thin marten]

did they nerf dungeons again?

[strong forum]

ye

[thin marten]

something felt off about first boss hp in priory

where's the patchnotes for dungeon changes

[orchid frigate]

ok, after playing a bit with a bdk im starting to wonder why our dps was nerfed 😄

[strong forum]

cuz we had community notice it

BDK didnt

[orchid frigate]

dodgy bastards

[thin marten]

when will the community notice VDH being represented in 80% of keys I wonder

[strong forum]

that dont matter

you cant fix that part

[sand condor]

VDH wil never be nerfed cus they made it for mdi

[strong forum]

its not that vdh is "op"

[sand condor]

(Yes i cope)

[warm plinth]

Wat

[strong forum]

its just everyone gaslighting themselves into believing it is

and people follow suite to not get left behind

[thin marten]

I mean you can give tanks other than prot palas and vdh's an identity

instead of brainstorming every utility in the world and then just giving it to those two

[sand condor]

Surely bdk will get tagged next

If only interrupt shout was our pummel replacement

15 sec aoe silence?

We’d be the goat

[thin marten]

if only our aoe taunt also made us immune

and we could shout at a friend to redirect damage to us

and shout at another guy to make him magic immune

[solid sun]

If they do comparable damage to p.war (I assume FS is comparable but maybe it’s a bit behind?) and if vdh has more utility than war, even if vdh isn’t op surely it’s still the “better” pick. Am I just completely missing something?

[thin marten]

they're not doing comparable damage, but the small amount of more damage warrior does isn't even close to the utility the 2 godspecs have

[brave meteor]

Imho a Major Change for pwar would be to get a spear to Grab all adds together, maybe as a replacement Option for shockwave. World even make Sense imo..

[thin marten]

vdh and prot pala will be the best tank specs for m+ until the end of time until they either rework other specs or just give them obscene damage buffs

[surreal lodge]

starting to feel like intervene isnt worth over like intimidating shout

on certain dungeoms where u cant get use for it

[strong forum]

nobody is playing FS, thats the worst part but yes

[surreal lodge]

but not sure how to use intervene well

[strong forum]

intervene is rarely useful

it only works on phyiscal attacks

which are again, rarely targeted on allies

[surreal lodge]

can u drio it on the talent tree for something else?

[strong forum]

big thunderclap

for the extra slow and easier pickup range

[thin marten]

never untalenting big clap

[surreal lodge]

feels like a waste on collosus tho

since u dont really use it

[strong forum]

okay

but what do you use TC for

to pick up mobs

🙂

[surreal lodge]

intimidating shout is decent for

[strong forum]

its your first global

[thin marten]

wdym don't really use it

[surreal lodge]

thundering roar isnt realy bad

for aggroing

and intidating shout maybe

[strong forum]

intim shout only hits 6 mobs total

[warm plinth]

Granted I'm out of the loop a bit but don't you still use tc more or less on cooldown? You just don't have it as much unless playing thane

[strong forum]

more or less ye

not as much in mass aoe

[surreal lodge]

i thought revenge has prioriry over it

[strong forum]

it does

but you still use TC

[warm plinth]

It does, but revenge is a spender and tc is a generator

[surreal lodge]

i usually fimd shield slam procs, shield charge resets and revenge procs

make it hard to hit tc on gcd

on cd

[strong forum]

sure

but you also want to apply rend

[thin marten]

TC lets you pick up mobs 100x easier

[strong forum]

so you sometimes gotta send a few TCs here and there

[thin marten]

don't have to do 360s revenging stuff when gathering

[strong forum]

to apply rend to multiple targets

[warm plinth]

Just use whirlwind

[surreal lodge]

one thing i have a bit of trouble on is setting up big pulls. and getting snap aggro. how are people doing the first pull of floodgate

i jsually pull the whole platform

[strong forum]

thunderclap

[solid sun]

lol

[surreal lodge]

i figure charge. tc. heroic leap to next pack. heeroic throw nearby pack. charge to last back

pack

then thunderous roar and revenge

[strong forum]

you charge ->tc the first pack -> SS to get rage-> vatar + revenge 2nd pack -> leap to 3rd pack -> taunt + heroic throw mid air on pack 4 -> tc -> roar sc pack 5

[tulip oar]

I love when dps don't even give me time to thunderclap,

[rancid tiger]

Youre welcome

Joking u only make that mistake once

[tulip oar]

Had a feral do it twice in Cinderbrew. I charge in, and he did the same with a swipe.

[rancid tiger]

Feral players are special

[tulip oar]

In a small school bus kinda way

[neon elk]

Instruction unclear by the time i gotnto 5th pack my ret pala died cuz he blew his CD on first pack

[strong forum]

maff checks out

[cyan oriole]

ive seen top prots switching from haste crit into crit vers, is that a thing now? makes kinda sense w 4p

[strong forum]

not a thing

just how their gear ended up

reminder everyone is still 15ilvl+ behind max

so upgrades are upgrades

[warm plinth]

Do you just regularly check the stats of all the top warriors? I've never been able to even tell you what stats the top anything had

[strong forum]

not to mention stats are fake if u use alchemical chaos

[pallid quiver]

A non-zero amount of people do, based on how often this convo comes out

[thin marten]

the ele shaman popping stormbringer and making sure to target the last mob the tank would ever target

[strong forum]

whatever stat the flask was on when you logged out gets registered on logs

sooooOOOOOOoooOoo

good luck

[cyan oriole]

i play w ret and fdk in group

know that feel

[potent basin]

I would assume as long as people still use colossus, haste crit would be the star prio

[surreal lodge]

kinda wish mountain thane wasnt zdps

[tulip oar]

true, then they have to use the Shaman chest death.

[surreal lodge]

thunderclapping is ez aggro

and more rage

[potent basin]

Colossus has more ignore pain per use

So it kinda evens out

But like double the damage

[harsh trellis]

For Mug'zee. Goblin Guided rocket. Says it needs 5 people for soak. Does having more people int he soak help at all?

or you just wasting people for future potential soaks

[rancid tiger]

Dmg is split

[idle copper]

Do you go up the hill?

[surreal lodge]

ye

[hot willow]

Hello, do we have an average stats uptime of shield wall for 2p. I just get my 2p this day, and no proc on 2 delves seems suspect

[cerulean tusk]

No procs at all is kinda sus for sure. As shield wall is already up quite a lot, it might be easy to miss tho.

If you wonder if it works or nah, just go open world, pull a bunch of mobs and let them whail at you.

If you don't get a single proc over a couple of minutes, come back and also send in a bug report in-game.

[idle copper]

Do you follow a YouTube route? If so which one please

[hot willow]

Ty sir

[strong forum]

1 proc per minute

On average

[hot willow]

Quite low then, ty sir

[cerulean tusk]

So, we still stealth nerfed, or they fixed the 5 to 7 mistake?

[oak ivy]

wut

[neon elk]

Wasnt it just tooltip thing? So not important at all

[cerulean tusk]

As long it is working as intended, be it 7 or 5 tho tooltip should be fixed if it ain't already

[neon elk]

Not saying it shouldnt , but i wont change anything realy

[cerulean tusk]

Rude of you, as you imply that you could

[next plover]

Ok I’m confused now is it supposed to be 7 or 5? 😂

[rough jasper]

i didnt catch up is colossus still for m+ or we switch?

[smoky anvil]

No changes

[rough jasper]

thx

[tribal ermine]

so i crafted sword, i crafted shield. now with next craft, do i do neck?

or does tanking proritize primary stat

on other pieces

[cerulean tusk]

Prob want something with str on it WoWhead likely got Nome explaining options in detail

I would prob just make engi wrists or embellishment item. Avoid shoulder/waist, as those are BoE spots this season

[surreal lodge]

shoulder?

i barely know her

[tribal ermine]

well is the craft worth the 60 crests?

wowhead says upgrade trinkets

[cerulean olive]

Dependa on your trinkets. If they are bis maybe then its worth upping them.

[waxen cradle]

So who started running around showing we do good dps as tanks and got us this small nerf... can't ever let Blizzard know were good, even if its a tiny nerf they will target us

[chilly dock]

guys modula platium plating is 100% trash right?

[waxen cradle]

Granted its essentially nothing at all and won't make much of a difference at all, got to keep Blizzard convinced we suck and be sleeping beasts

[viral jackal]

I did it ❤️ 655 HoC

[toxic pewter]

grats

[smoky anvil]

Grats

[gentle gate]

Would Mistweaver or restosham synergize better with prot? Friends trying to decide on which healer to main, would make us have 3 with a WW monk already locked in

[dusky canopy]

IMO Resto sham since WW already in the group

[small steeple]

100% always get a shaman somehwere in the group

[gentle gate]

ight ty

[dusky canopy]

Yes skyfury is very value for warrior

[small steeple]

Honestly makes st bosses so much more comfortable

[cyan bronze]

rsham is goated rn

i would say mw if there wasn’t ww already

[marsh yacht]

cinderbrew stein vs remnant of darkness?

[small steeple]

Neither?

[marsh yacht]

anybody knows the proc rate for stein if its any good for the rest of the group?

[frozen berry]

Sim yo self

[marsh yacht]

damn algari token of merit better than 2 myth trinkets

[small steeple]

nome has them both in B tier

I know cinderbrewstein is bugged, or at least it was, to be stronger than it should be

[marsh yacht]

count me in for bugged items

[small steeple]

Guess it depends on what you currently have as trinkets

[marsh yacht]

concordance and funhouse lens xd

[frozen berry]

Funhouse lens is very good

According to bloodmallet, at least

[marsh yacht]

ye i love it

but concordance seems to have very low proc rate

[small steeple]

Fuck i dont even know which 1 concordance is

Oh its the one that just got nerfed to the ground for healers

[marsh yacht]

funny pet trinket

says it has more than 1 effect, unfortunately i only get angry dwarf woman with crossbow

[small steeple]

It has a chance to give party members main stat i think

Which is what got nerfed

[dense remnant]

thats only healer version

[marsh yacht]

i heard its supposed to have some aoe damage proc too

never seen it

hopefully by the end of tww i will see it

[small steeple]

Doubt it, not that good

[marsh yacht]

life could be dream

[dense remnant]

think im giving up on colo on prog

[small steeple]

I could dream that the damage nerf was actually a buff

Doesn't make it true

[devout rivet]

I only did one 10 on this alt, its even worth to take this trinket just for the main stats?

[marsh yacht]

[small steeple]

lmao never

[cyan bronze]

i was told it was nerfed heavily across the board

we can’t have fun trinkets!

[restive prism]

Would it be stupid to take this neck? It's huge dps upgrade on sims but it would take my haste down to 15k unbuffed :/

[small steeple]

umm what are you specifcally refrencing? I was making a joke about the col damage nerf being a buff

[cyan bronze]

o

the trinket

myb

[slow forge]

What race is best for prot war for M+

[marsh yacht]

dwarf love

[eager phoenix]

dwarf usually best all around mileage but doesnt matter

[marsh yacht]

i just use dwarf for cleanse

should have mentioned

[dense remnant]

nelf is bis for everything, fashion >>>>>> all

[slow forge]

For some reason my warrior is LF Dranei so I’m looking to race change.

[cyan bronze]

nelf or dwarf

[eager phoenix]

nelf imo 2nd choice for "best". but way more situationally useful generally and even less so for tank

[cyan bronze]

but dwarf

[small steeple]

Dwarf, but Arcane Torrent gets some good use this season

[cyan bronze]

there’s sometimes meld skips that are nice

[dense remnant]

frontflips op

[cyan bronze]

or mechanics you can meld(harder on tank)

[small steeple]

Velf for portal skips

[cyan bronze]

ya there’s some notable purges tbf

[small steeple]

Kinda nice when I'm on my dk. Bye bye magic buffs/shield

[eager phoenix]

for sure skipping can be cool. but i feel many mechanics that you can meld dont hit you as tank. thinking about kujos jump in workshop.

while dwarf always is at least 10% phys dr even if you dont need it for cleanse

[cyan bronze]

ya it’s few

I would go nelf cus

it’s funny to meld a massive pull after a brick

but

[eager phoenix]

its very miniscule benefit overall. as a pug player it might matter more to have agency to handle bleeds, disease and what not

but if your slamming keys with the boys you can handle everything w/o racials

[cyan bronze]

for m+ performance def dwarf as default

[next plover]

For strictly tankiness which is tankier mt or colossus?

[viral jackal]

I believe MT

but Colossus damage was way ahead of MT. Not sure after patch but I'm guessing Colossus is still much better damage.

[elfin geode]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/901111440566525992/1354466386390417558/image.png?ex=67e5649f&is=67e4131f&hm=ff528dd28b47f390c44ea7812c7ddbd9fcb09e2003297ab078340849ebaa4817& eye of kezan from dungeon cache

[marsh yacht]

damn

[neon elk]

Do they acelerate catalyst charges at any time during patch? Kinda want that tmog

[dense remnant]

depends on what content you do

just redid the sims, colo is like 0,3% ahead on ST for me vs thane

aka not even close to being worth it for me on raid prog

especially when the sims are using shieldwall for just avatar uptime

[marsh yacht]

colossus size increase > any defensiveness

[dense remnant]

i just hate the self root most of all

[marsh yacht]

[marsh yacht]

no way man, i love channel spells on a melee class

10/10 best experience

[next plover]

Then I play MT cause f damage I will never falter 🗿

[modest wing]

I was thinking that Drac could be sleeper OP since they kinda have an extra interrupt. Not sure how legit that idea is though

[slow forge]

Is Colossus the play for pushing M+?

[slow forge]

Could be. That’s important in dungeons.

[sudden lynx]

Opinions on taking this instead of 2 sec longer shield block now that I have 4pc?

I'm gonna sim it as well but just wondering if people have tried it out

[jagged pier]

well it will sim higher

but its dumb to loose the SB uptime

as u dont press execute in keys at all much

raid theres already a build with massacre in it

[cunning oriole]

So Meltdown on Stix is the bane of my existence...Is it Spell Blockable? Says it's Physical Damage, but also "8385087 Nature damage inflicted every 1 sec."

[next cargo]

I've accidentally took raid build into +12 keys multiple times and while I did survive with this talent it was super hard as I didn't proc enough shield charge cd reduction to maintain shield block, especially on bosses

[jagged girder]

Anyone has a third tank Rik build?

[sudden lynx]

Got it

[tulip raft]

gawd, House of cards Heroic or Mythic weapon?

[dapper vapor]

Why is Mister Lock-N-Stalk so high up on the Wowhead tier list when Bloodmallet has it simming below like delve trinkets etc

[ruby musk]

As a drac warrior, I do enjoy being able to knock back enemies to interrupt then charge in with a Shockwave for recasts

It also occasionally throws pugs off because they forget that dracs can be warriors so they think there's some evoker doing tank things

[tribal ermine]

is simming the end all be all for tanks?

[dapper vapor]

All it does it give damage and a slight bit of haste

[tribal ermine]

asking for a friend of mine who is currently using lock n stalk and doesnt run sims

[nocturne spindle]

i swapped out rally for intimidating shout

10/10 would recommend

also thinking of dropping ravager for disrupting shout

i think im an aoe stop addict

[dusky canopy]

[jagged pier]

i dunno i would just swap intervene for int shout

and show of force for disrupting

as those talents dont do much anyway

[harsh spruce]

is the circlet still doing ok for warriors?

[nocturne spindle]

i swapped intervene for the thunderclap aoe range increase already

but i could swap it back

[dapper vapor]

iirc the advice was to keep it until you have rings of equivalent ilvl and then its droppable

[harsh spruce]

cheers mate

[sharp gale]

war is gucci now

[slender bison]

Way too easy to level cap this season

It's like they want people to unsub

[ionic fern]

I'm still 655.

[ionic fern]

If level capping is all you care about then yeah i guess.

[slender bison]

Season is 5 months and most mains are 10-15 levels away from cap in 3rd week

"B-but muh alts"

[ionic fern]

What exactly is the issue?

[slender bison]

Inflation of ilvl

[ionic fern]

To each their own i guess.

[cerulean tusk]

Aint fun gearing if it doesn't takes a year to get an alt up to speed

[dusky canopy]

That’s one cool ass gnome isn’t it!

[sharp gale]

my warrior only m+ (it's my alt), he will get ilvl cap in 6 or 8 weeks

maybe more

and is 1 ilvl away from my main dk who ate a lot in myth raid

2 ilvl* sry, i got head and bracers from raiding

[chilly brook]

Yeah and you hit a severe limitation in gear available to you at about 660ilvl….

So who tf cares

If you only play to make your gear number go to cap then honestly feel like you’re cheating yourself of a good experience anyways

[sharp gale]

and ilvl grows faster the first weeks and then you are slow growing bc that's how average works

[chilly brook]

Yep

Like they didn’t do any massive changes to how fast it is to gear up between last season and this season and last season had a pretty good length in terms of how long it took people to get to or close to max ilvl

[wide charm]

Do Rookguards have some sort of damage amp I can't see on MDT?

I'm trying to understand why they do 4x dmg sometimes

[jade tartan]

Is the Reactive Webbed Escutcheon a bad shield ?

[jagged pier]

no

[tacit hornet]

658 Jastor Diamond (Champion) vs. Cyrce's Circlet - which should I go for?

[small steeple]

you mean ilvl? I doubt anyone is even close to 678

[small steeple]

check on mdt, they might have a magic damage component

[wide charm]

Nope it's just an atk spd steroid

I can't see anything in any of the mobs in that area after the first boss that would buff their dmg

super lost

[small steeple]

let me check

well they do have that attack speed boost, so they could be ripping your IP off, so you take more from the next attack

[neon elk]

A good head is never bad, indeed

[toxic pewter]

I personally ditched my circe circlet at 658. Just tired of that ring to be honest. But yeah prob best to sim it

[torn gulch]

As an m+ only player I reached 663-ish and my upgrades are vaults and crafting

So you get slowed down significantly after you get your hero track gear

[floral bronze]

yeah kinda bummed out that the only upgrades i can get now are the weekly myth upgrades, vault or crafting

[torn gulch]

I mean it's fine

[floral bronze]

especially bcs the vault will soon have a high chance to give me item(slots) i already have

[torn gulch]

you just play the game and you'll get the full gear eventually

[torn gulch]

that's what sockets are for

[floral bronze]

yeye i know, taking sockets for weekly vault is just sad though 😒

[torn gulch]

i mean it's an incremental upgrade

for bis gear

[round cliff]

why is trashmaster's mantle bis anyways

is it for the trashmaster title

[chilly brook]

back hits? dropped block?

didn't crit block?

[visual spade]

Helya back shots

[jagged pier]

just whats simming highest with that specific gear set

[round cliff]

fair

ima use it for the title

[vocal flame]

Time to wait for season 3 lol

[torn gulch]

or play alts

[chilly brook]

brewmaster is coming online

[torn gulch]

i'm playing my bear

last epoch is coming soon

[vocal flame]

Yeah ALTs are fun

[visual spade]

Poe2 league soon

[chilly brook]

I started a bear but idk if it's just the fact it's only 620ilvl or I'm bad or what but it doesn't feel as good as I'd like it to

[torn gulch]

bear is nice

i'll argue it's tankier than warrior

but difference is not that big or it's just placebo on my part

[chilly brook]

originally was going to do dk but even at 640 it's kinda crazy how much effort I gotta put in in comparison to my lower ilvl tanks

[round cliff]

bigger player model so it's tankier

[next plover]

I swear idk either it’s 640 and I have 100% if uptime and it feels like I’m constantly having to heal back damage

[chilly brook]

like dh was comfy af in 10s at 631

brew? even comfier

[visual spade]

Only reason I swapped from my dh after week 1 was prot damage lol

[next plover]

Maybe I just need the trash master title 😔

[torn gulch]

i tried dh and i just can't get used to it

i don't like it one bit

same with bdk

[chilly brook]

dh is like mixing prot warrior and blood dk tbh

I find it fairly easy to understand/get

[next plover]

Idk I’ve always been a fan of mitigation tanks over healing ones

[chilly brook]

but that's just me personally

[wide charm]

This was my immediate thought too but dropped block doesn't make sense as you can see hits near the end that are significantly less dmg

[torn gulch]

it's just me not liking the playstyle

[wide charm]

The IP thing was a decent guess but I don't think that would account for 4x dmg

[sharp gale]

Is it a real thing ? Bc as a gnome I cope myself sometime by thinking : it’s bc my back is a bigger% of my circle than other races

[torn gulch]

And tbh because I play other games I can't really play more than 2 chars so warr and bear it is for me this season

[chilly brook]

I need to finish the push past 3k

24io but keys are a bitch to get into and my group been busy

[torn gulch]

season is long

[next plover]

When you say tankier then warrior is that in a mitigation or a self heal or combined kinda way?

[chilly brook]

it is but I want to push rn

[torn gulch]

It's more of a feel thing

combined

[sharp gale]

I got a friend since a week or two is trying to finish all 12s but can’t time priory in pug

[chilly brook]

It's fun

[next plover]

Maybe I’ll give it another shot then

[chilly brook]

one of my best priory's was a 12 and a pug

[torn gulch]

priory is the key this season

and cinderbrew

[round cliff]

ugggg should i just craft a shield

[chilly brook]

bear has pretty decent sustain and has good amount of mitigation

[round cliff]

i have the gilded crests for it

[lyric glen]

After today s changes what is people going with for build Raid versus m+? (atm i have colussos in both) was MT before that but what do we do now?:)

[chilly brook]

It's also able to be tailored to more sustain

or less

fairly fexible talent points tbh

[next plover]

I’m also a less skilled player so maybe that would help😂

[chilly brook]

nothing has changed in reality

colo still better in aoe

thane still better in single target

[jagged pier]

[chilly brook]

is it not better in single target because execute?

[jagged pier]

no

colossus is still ahead

and was still ahead

[chilly brook]

That's news to me

[jagged pier]

its closer even more now

but colossus was always ahead

[lyric glen]

Okej, I personally really enoyed MT, but got to test Col, and felt so much stable and both for inc damage and outcom damage and did not need as much heal in col compared to Mt..

[chilly brook]

I guess either my memory is bad or the sims were bad?

[jagged pier]

memory

[chilly brook]

Well shit

I'm officially a real boomer now

memory gone at 29

it's joever

[jagged pier]

[violet ginkgo]

[velvet cliff]

Hey guys, I’m new to playing Prot in M+ (currently trying out Colossus).

Last night I was in a pug 10 key, something I noticed was it was really hard to keep up my Ignore Pain against the damage I’m intaking. Is this an indication that my pulls are too big? Often I would find that I’m not generating enough rage to keep up with the IP+SB, and in turn doesn’t allow me to spend rage on Revenge.

How do you guys solve this issue? For reference, this was bee side on Cinderbrew 10

[rapid lake]

So even with the nerfs Colossus is still better for delves than MT? I'm a solo player and tier 11 delves went fast and easy before todays nerf. Now my dmg feels a lacking (of course). Would consider MT, but I'm no theorycrafter.

[chilly brook]

stop caring about keeping IP up

[winged pawn]

look a few messages up

[chilly brook]

Like for real

IP is not that important

You press it to help not cap rage

[rapid lake]

Ah I see. Sorry this chat goes hella fast sometimes. Was reading way above this post.

[chilly brook]

If you're not in danger of capping on rage then you are better off spending that rage on revenge, unless of course you are just in a significant damage intake portion of the pull and just need something to help but then again if you're playing well you're going to be pressing IP naturally in those spots to help you not overcap

[slow forge]

So IP is not that important?

One vid I watched made it seem like we needed both IP and SB up at all times. Simultaneously.

[velvet cliff]

So you’re saying the only thing we care about truly is to keep SB up and let dmg feed IP?

[prisma crane]

more or less, yea

[velvet cliff]

That’s where I was messing up, okay

[prisma crane]

you also get a free IP every time you proc outburst

[velvet cliff]

I’ll give that a shot tonight

[chilly brook]

bad video

[chilly brook]

You'll end up pressing it enough for it to be valuable if you follow what is being said here and you're also going to make your rage economy better, more revenge=more shield slams

[slow forge]

That’s a relief to not have to worry about constantly spamming two different defensive buttons.

[mighty valley]

well... you end up pressing IP a lot anyway haha

you just don't need to obsessively monitor the buff's uptime

[compact flax]

at what point can we replace cyrce's circlet with other rings?

[prisma crane]

though you do press it much less as Col vs MT

[strong forum]

when it sims less

generally 665+ rings i think

[round cliff]

bis

[compact flax]

thank you

[fresh belfry]

How much DR difference can I expect from a 665 vs a 678 shield?

[fathom raven]

can any1 explain how tome of lights devotion work properly? I want to use it to optimize dmg

[lusty grotto]

a lot

[lusty grotto]

pins

[fresh belfry]

dont see it in the pins 😦

[lusty grotto]

i hope youre not gonna make me dust out the block formula

i wasnt replying to you

my reply was "a lot" to you

the other guy was asking about light's devotion

which is pinned

[fresh belfry]

o sry.
lets say the difference is 90k vs 85k block (its about that ballpark), would it be ~6%? does it work linearly on the block vlaue?

[lusty grotto]

it depends on K values

which i dont wanna calculate right now

c:

[chilly brook]

It’s more complex than it’s worth getting into

Just pick the shield with more block

[lusty grotto]

yup

[fresh belfry]

ok ill dust out the formula myself, was hoping someone did the math on Titan heroic vs a mythic shield xd

ty tho

[chilly brook]

Uhhhh

[lusty grotto]

mythic shield will be better

[chilly brook]

The math is massively in favor of myth

[lusty grotto]

period

end of story

if you do find current K values, do let us know though

[chilly brook]

Titan of industry is not worth the damage in regards to the loss of block

[fresh belfry]

yeah but not for dps so its a trade-off and the myth shield requires a lot more crests to be en par in dps

[torn gulch]

a heroic titan will never be better than a myth track shield

[chilly brook]

You sure about that?

[fresh belfry]

yes

[lusty grotto]

yeah well that's just nuance

not that it matters

since dinars will be a thing

so heroic shields go into a vendor

[torn gulch]

you upgrade a shield to 678 and it's bis all season doesn't matter how many crests you use

[fresh belfry]

i dont care about all season i care about tanking mug'zee mythic this week

[lusty grotto]

just get rik shield

ez

[fresh belfry]

ez

[lusty grotto]

if you do crafted, thats free uppies anyway to a myth shield

so not losing a lot

in fact, not losing anything

[chilly brook]

If you care about mythic mugzee this week then a myth shield is a better choice lmao

[fresh belfry]

still requires 60 crests to upgrade for the same damage as a heroic titan shield. these 60 crests can be dps on another slot. hence the question

[warm venture]

I currently have Tome macro'd to my Demolish, am I missing out on a lot by not optimizing it ?

[lusty grotto]

youre progging and youre worried about a 1-3% damage change?

[lusty grotto]

yes

youre missing

[chilly brook]

I wasn't aware that damage was the only thing that mattered as prot

[lusty grotto]

quite a bit

[fresh belfry]

no but it wouldnt have been worth if the block answer wouldnt have been "a lot" 🙂

[lusty grotto]

i mean

[chilly brook]

it is a lot

[lusty grotto]

youre not gonna gaslight me into calculating it

[fresh belfry]

haha

[lusty grotto]

so have it

[fresh belfry]

i can do it myself, ty

[chilly brook]

heroic to mythic is a pretty large jump

[hushed harbor]

Kinda related: I have a heroic mechano and heroic funhouse, is it still worth slamming my head against priory and flood for those trinkets at hero level? Is it a big enough difference? Or do I just pray for them as myth in vault? Thanks.

[chilly brook]

Here I'll go ahead and help you out with the damage intake difference

since the game does it for you

Do you have a heroic shield?

[lusty grotto]

just go into m0 griff

[warm venture]

what's the best way to use it? Wait until 50 stacks and pop it or try to stay in sword / shield as much as possible ?

[lusty grotto]

since its the same K value

[fresh belfry]

yeah

[chilly brook]

problem is I don't have a heroic shield

[lusty grotto]

stay in sword as much as possible

its in the pins anyway

read the pins 🙂

[warm venture]

ty

[fresh belfry]

targeting world-boss should work for the correct tooltip value right?

[chilly brook]

675 shield

go into rookery m0 and target mini boss or something

[lusty grotto]

find the K value !

[chilly brook]

heroic max is 665 yeah?

[next plover]

Why did the alphabet have to marry numbers 😦

[lusty grotto]

now that i think about it m0 might not have the same k values for Myth Raid

but i could be wrong, i remember there was a change

[fresh belfry]

you would have to target a boss

[lusty grotto]

myth raid has higher ones

[fresh belfry]

or lvl 83 enemy

[chilly brook]

doesn't really matter

they have the "against evenly matched enemy" portion

which is that

[lusty grotto]

yeah i suppose so

[chilly brook]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8cZ3Wkt1nLWV1MhBGVRr7t

Hey would you look at that

675 crafted shield beats heroic titan of industry

[fresh belfry]

yes, but my point stands, thats a 60 crest investment difference

[chilly brook]

it's better offensively and defensively...

what more do you want?

[fresh belfry]

i do not doubt that 🙂

[lusty grotto]

did you fully up titan or something?

[next plover]

I mean a shield is your most important piece of gear tho so it’s worth

[lusty grotto]

its not a loss if you didn't

[chilly brook]

Shield is quite literally the most important piece of gear for you as a tank

[warm venture]

To make sure I understand correctly, Stay in sword as long as possible, when in shield swap over ASAP if it doesn't proc at 50 stacks before the 1.5min CD ?

[chilly brook]

more specifically as a prot warrior

[lusty grotto]

☝️

[next plover]

Equipping shield as bear ✅

😎

[chilly brook]

Like what else are you going to send those 60 crests on?

What other options are you so torn up about not being able to upgrade?

[lusty grotto]

[fresh belfry]

upgrading heroic armor from 658 to 662 on multiple slots is very efficient

[lusty grotto]

not for us

[chilly brook]

not really?

[lusty grotto]

shield > weapon > trinkets > helm/chest/legs > shoulders/gloves/belt/boots > bracers/cloak

thats the order

thats the order you should ALWAYS upgrade as a prot warrior

[slow forge]

If we only run M+ and don’t really raid should we be crafting a shield asap ?

[lusty grotto]

there hasnt been one expansion where getting a higher level as a priority on those slots isn't vastly more beneficial than any others down the periority

[lusty grotto]

if you dont have a myth shield, yes

whe nome puts up things like titan in a bis list

hes assuming Myth track

not some heroic garbanzo bean thing that you can replace with gilded crafted

[chilly brook]

just did a sim

[lusty grotto]

specifically on shields

[next plover]

But would a shield make MT better then colossus after the buffs 😉 jkjkjk

[chilly brook]

upgrading 4 pieces was at best 9k dps

and that's still not going to hit anything close to the defensive value you lost by not going with a higher ilvl shield

[lusty grotto]

i mean

its weird cause its prog

[chilly brook]

idk man

[lusty grotto]

so why bother about tank dps over surv

[chilly brook]

I'm not going to sit here and continue talking to a brick wall

[lusty grotto]

🤷‍♂️

yeah i guess

[chilly brook]

either pick the higher ilvl shield or chase 0.6% dps

whatever we say isn't going to sway your decision at this point

on another note, I see that Mechano-Core Amplifier was oversimming 😦

[meager shell]

Is Colo still preferred for M+?

[next plover]

XD

[lusty grotto]

[violet ginkgo]

@lusty grotto <<< read the nick

[lyric fern]

Poor chip

[meager shell]

Can I blame not reading on being a warrior? Guess that doesn't fly here though..

Genuinely did not notice that though xD

Thanks Chip!

[next plover]

Say the line chip! 🫵🤣

[violet ginkgo]

he sacrifice himself so you don't have to check the pin.

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/green-mile-im-tired-boss-michael-clarke-duncan-gif-2375696290766999196

[next plover]

I think it’s cause it’s not in your profile pic yet

Or the name of the prot chat yet

[sharp gale]

Upgrading 658-> 662 is wasting 15 crests each time you do it, since you get 662 myth track items

[fresh belfry]

🙂

[slow forge]

Does the community not like colossus? Seems like most want MT to be meta. I’m new here

[chilly brook]

why can't every weekly quest for the spark be like this?

[ionic fern]

Fully dependant on the person.

[sharp gale]

If you can afford to spend them, go but if not, don’t bc you need a shit ton of crests to keep up with 1 myth track per week + 1 craft each 2 weeks

[chilly brook]

meanwhile 60 crests on a shield is basically net neutral for a craft vs looting one

[sharp gale]

Yeah you waste 0 crests in crafting since they changed the cost from 90 to 60

[chilly brook]

Idk how to feel about how good AI composed music is getting

[smoky anvil]

Colossus fucks

Feels way better than thane

[lyric fern]

Personally I prefer thane but it's nice to play something different for a season

[chilly brook]

I think Thane feels fine, there's just not much benefit to it

time to see how this combo feels in a 13 over using tome

[smoky anvil]

My reasoning is entirely dmg related btw

Big aoe sparks joy

[chilly brook]

I mean you get big aoe with thane, just for 5 seconds

[lyric fern]

Demolish dam is big sure, but I enjoy pressing tblast more

I like the sound and the visual better

[smoky anvil]

T blast does have merits

[clever barn]

how are the colossus nerfs feeling, guys?

[jagged pier]

literally nothing has changed

had 3 different dungeon groups complain about my damage still today

as in im doing too much

[smoky anvil]

I’ve only been doing low keys helping some homies gear up and farm trinkets so I’m still #1-2 on meter

Haven’t felt the nerfs tbh

[quaint fossil]

I have an alt prot warrior, is it worth doing the questline for circlet ring?

[jagged pier]

u wont the nerfs wont change anything interms of defence or playstyle

[smoky anvil]

The one 11 I did I was third.

[warm venture]

yes, it's 658 ilvl

[quaint fossil]

Is there a skip?

[warm venture]

if you've already completed it on your main it takes less than an hour

[jagged pier]

it takes 20 mins

to get in full

if u have it already on another char

its also level with rings at 658

so if u get max champ rings or hero rings

u may as well just shkip anyways

[crisp crown]

Guys, not specificly a prot question but.. Is there some script u can put in WOW chat to check if u got all spark fortunes possible?

[fluid widget]

is the 1st boss of priory supposed to feel like my face is repeatedly getting punched in? Trying to use defensives on cd, maintain shield block/ignore pain but i havent had any other boss hurt as much

[jagged pier]

depends what lvl and what your healers doing and how well u play

[clever barn]

that dot is painful

[fluid widget]

558, monk healer, and would like to know what to do better for that to improve. Key was an 11

[torn gulch]

here /run a=C_CurrencyInfo.GetCurrencyInfo(3132) print("You have earned " .. a.quantity .. " of " .. a.maxQuantity .. " possible " .. a.name .." .")

[jagged pier]

need logs to tell u

[fluid widget]

damn

[urban bane]

it is gonna hurt. healer fight, no two ways about it. Just don't over spend your cooldowns. Small sips will smooth out the dot.

but yeah hard to be more specific w/o logs

[jagged pier]

cant see whats happening on the boss

without logs

[fluid widget]

yeah i figured

[winter loom]

Guys is crafting a neck with Crit/haste smart?

or what would you craft as a third item?

[fluid widget]

probably should have spaced out cds more

[jagged pier]

all fun and games i didnt get healed for over 8 second on the boss in a run today and got blamed because we skipping shaymil

apprently that was the problem

[urban bane]

[jagged pier]

[fluid widget]

But would need logs checked on judgement dispel, healing cds used etc

[urban bane]

Yeah dont you know shaynemail buffs the boss by 2000% xdd

[jagged pier]

[urban bane]

( /s in case it wasn't clear )

[jagged pier]

i asked why we had to do it and all i was told was because u kill it in every run

okay but u dont need to kill her

[urban bane]

man that person must be a lawyer 11/10 argument

[crisp crown]

thanks bro

[viral jackal]

is there a best 1H crafted weapon for Prot? There's axe/mace/sword but I'm dracthyr, so guessing it doesn't matter?

[heavy sparrow]

So we know of the dwarf racial removes the dot?

[urban bane]

I don't roll dorf

Maybe it does!

[small steeple]

It does for me me. Its a rough boss for me personally.

[small steeple]

I hope you mean 658, not 558

[small steeple]

The bleed from priory first boss? Yes that is removed by dwarf racial

[viral jackal]

First boss of priory is kind of brutal yeah

[fluid widget]

oh yeah 658. Good to know it isnt just me

[viral jackal]

it's blowing a lot of defensives and the healing absord from Xalatath sucks this week

[fluid widget]

just tanked it for my first time so wasnt sure if that was a sinilar feeling

[viral jackal]

2nd boss hits hard too if he has wings

[fluid widget]

yeah. And the miniboss before the final boss was another surprising one

feels like the most painful dungeon but im not at the high level key ranges

[small steeple]

Theres a reason I prefer to go right, but pugs refuse to

[viral jackal]

Yeah Priory feels kind of overtuned to be honest. Everything hits decently hard, its hard to time unless you're absolutely spot on with everything.

Second boss timings of soak, giant aoe, is kind of a nightmare.

Whats best 1H weapon to craft for prot? Whatever is cheapest?

[analog sparrow]

Whoa I didn't know you could skip shaynemaile, what's the pro/con? Does it buff the boss?

[neon elk]

It isnt a real "heal absorb" tho

[viral jackal]

No I know - just saying it puts even more stress on healer.

[neon elk]

Not realy , its only usualy an issue when it happens at the end of fight and everybody runs to next pull, if its midfight most healers can pasively heal it , u dont have to outheal it first second it pops

People stress for no reason, just like with ball affix oribitng you, it spawns and everybody acts like headless chicken for nothing

[gleaming panther]

hi guys, hope u re well, i have a dilemma in my vault : i hesitate between the wowhead's feet bis in 662 or head in 662 (wich i will catalyst to keep my 4p, actually i have the head in heroic) can u help me please ?

[small steeple]

What are your feet? heroic or champ?

[gleaming panther]

sorry, heroic one

[small steeple]

So a choice between myth head or feet, to replace a heroic version?

[broken cove]

how big dps increase is battle stance?

[urban bane]

Ive not dpsed Priory very much. How does the knight's bleed work, just hits a random person? Or is it actually a frontal?

[gleaming panther]

the one wich is loot in motherlode

https://www.wowhead.com/fr/item=159679/solerets-des-éléments-déchaînés?bonus=657:12042:5878:7981:11996

[small steeple]

I believe the best off tier piece is head this season right? Theres a couple really big crit/haste helmets right

[gleaming panther]

yes

[urban bane]

I never notice it when I tank it but DPS die to it a bunch

[gleaming panther]

the head is hast/versat in vault

when i sim my char

raid bot say alway the head in catalyst if upgrade to 668 or higher

[rapid lake]

Just tried a tier 11 delve with MT again and it feels better than Col. But that's my personal opinion. I'm not into high M+ dungeons, so your experience may be different.

[small steeple]

@strong forum which piece is best to have off tier this season? Head right? Or is it chest? I've heard and seen people say both

[gleaming panther]

because my heroic head proc with socket for gem

if u want to help me : my char is Braenn - Archimonde (EU) maybe it will be easier to analyse stuff

[shy yoke]

Dumb question but at some point do we stop stacking haste/crit and go for versa gear on higher keys or nah?

[gleaming panther]

personaly i feel more confident now than in S1 with full stuff hast/versat

[strong forum]

whatever my vault spits out

[woven scroll]

so, whats the call, we stay in colossus or is mountain thane viable again?

[neon elk]

Always was

[strong forum]

mountain thane was always viable

but colossus is still much better

[shy yoke]

But don't you lose ton of dmg going full versa instead of crit? I was thinking a mix between the two

[woven scroll]

ye, would prefer cuz of utility in m+

but this massive nerf hurts my heart 😦

[gleaming panther]

sorry I meant that I feel more comfortable now with haste/crit rather than in S1 with haste/versat

[shy yoke]

oh lol

[final linden]

Casts Shield Slam if it resets when you want to press Ignore Pain. Replace your Ignore Pain with this, not Shield Slam.
/cast Ignore Pain
/cast Shield Slam

does this sort of mean we only have to have one keybeind for these 2?

[sharp gale]

You replace your ignore pain with this

[low thistle]

hello all! Priory is my least experienced dungeon.

At the beginning I always did right as I picked a default route.

Is left now the new safer default?

[sharp gale]

So 1 SS button and this (your new IP button)

[final linden]

so every time i S it will use ignore pain to, if so thats great

[sharp gale]

No, every time you ignore pain it will try to chase the shield slam reset from your previous gcd

[pallid quiver]

Left has much easier time dealing with trash before boss, and there's less to dodge and manage during the boss fight; there's more unavoidable damage during the boss fight, but if you can heal through, it's much cleaner over all

It's also more likely in pugs to just be less damage, since you have to actually coordinate and manage kicks if you go right, as well as dodge the shit tons of swirlies.

and that's before talking about the miniboss on right, who is a nightmare without a plan

[final linden]

oh so i still need a SS keybind

[sharp gale]

Yes you never press this macro to shield slam, you press it to Ignore Pain

[final linden]

thanks bud

[sharp gale]

#showtooltip Ignore Pain
This might make your brain fit the purpose of the macro

[urban bane]

really off topic, but does anyone have the new DH insta-death gif handy?

[sharp gale]

Funny you ask that, I just did a priory on my rdruid, the dh jumped into a pack and removed 99% of his health

[urban bane]

tale as old as time

[digital verge]

Haven't played in a while, Is colossus just better than MT ?

[unborn island]

Late to the party, but it does.

[mighty valley]

it does more damage than thane. thane is probably slightly more sturdy overall but that's harder to quantify

colossus is doing the biggest keys though so it's obviously tanky enough

[digital verge]

Thanks for the answer

[toxic pewter]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/213770533769052162/1352080217564250295/big2.gif?=&width=768&height=960

[urban bane]

apb always a real one thanks homie

[toxic pewter]

[pastel atlas]

is it bad to craft ring after bracer/shield to replace cycle?

[thin marten]

where's the dungeon changes bluepost?

can't find it on wowhead

I've just noticed ground aoes in ToP being way clearer and priory first boss having way less hp

[sharp gale]

no blue post from what i see

[cyan bronze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1289315888293744642/rlp.gif

[thin marten]

there's clearly balance changes

seems weird if there's just

no changelist

I wanna know if I can go left in a priory without the tankbuster deleting me

in a 13

[cyan bronze]

just eat it

[sonic brook]

Anyone have recommendations for YT/twitch/resources for M+ tanking routes/optimizations? I tank pugs exclusively through +12s, and i struggle to stay on top of optimizations tanks discover throughout the early part of a season. An example is navigating the trash before 1st boss DFC in a way that doesn't lead to overpulling isn't too clear to me. I find pugs will sometimes comment like "never seen a tank do it that way" and it makes me wonder how to keep up.

Raider.io has given me some starting points, but isn't designed for that kind of detail. Watching people do 15s on YT feels sketchy to follow in pugs.
My current best thought is watching VODS from high key players doing lower level pug keys on alts, like yoda. I don't have enough time to play a dps alt at a high enough level to see other pug tanks. Just wondering if anyone has thoughts on how you keep up with it.

[pastel atlas]

i like yoda's utube routes

[prisma pelican]

Do all tanks have trouble with 1st boss in there?

I know pally have a rly hard time with it also

Guessing bdk is fine

[toxic pewter]

We do pretty good against him if I say so myself. Just need a healer that’s not afk and use defensives wisely

[blazing fog]

timed one earlier today. mud trinket carried my ass on 1st boss

[thin marten]

I don't have a defensive trinket unfortunately

might be cooked

[unborn island]

Dwarf?

[thin marten]

nelf

[blazing fog]

desyncing stuff can help too. dmg will be more on the ass side but using demo shout/demolish more defensively can make a difference to survive

there will be some panic moments tho

[prisma pelican]

Can dwarf remove bleed on 1st boss?

[unborn island]

Yes

[thin marten]

I will never be dwarfpilled

[nocturne spindle]

yea shield wall>shieldwall>dwarf>healer defensive works pretty well

just be a dwarf ez

[unborn island]

I normally dwarf first because it's the longest CD 🙂

[nocturne spindle]

yea thats fair

but also barely any group damage going out at the first tank buster

so healer can pump you

2nd hit is probably the best thinking about it more

[unborn island]

Hmm that's a good shout - do it when there's an overlap with group damage, the first one you can demo shout I guess

Will still hurt but healer can pump like you say

[analog sparrow]

I haven't but I've only done +10

[violet trellis]

Hey guys! How is colossus doing in m+ after the nerfs?

[broken cove]

is it worth syncing up your demo shout with demolish? like hold one of them to pair with the other (st/raid)?

[ionic fern]

Still fine.

[violet trellis]

[ionic fern]

They more or less line up by default. Try to Demolish with at least DS or Avatar up,ideally both.

[lofty warren]

Did thr relative "goodness" level of trinkets change at all after tuning?

[ionic fern]

Honestly,you can try MT. Makes the boss super chill. Or just send most of your rage Into IP as Colossus to help out.

[next cargo]

if you're using unstoppable force, remember it can be decent to hold demolish for a few seconds to time it with shield wall, if avatar is not already up

but don't sit on it, if it doesnt line up for more than like 8 seconds

[broken cove]

yea sometimes i can hold for like 4-10 seconds to sync up

which would desync a whole lot during a fight

might miss a use or 2

[next cargo]

if youre at the beginning of a pack, and you can build colossal might stacks quickly again

I usually just send it

[broken cove]

waht bout raid

[next cargo]

I'm not a big raid guy, someone else can answer that

[ionic nimbus]

tbh, did a key as thane and was pretty good ... maybe 100-200k DPS less than Colossus

[dense glade]

have talents changed since reset?

[smoky anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/no-nick-cage-nicolas-cage-the-unbearable-weight-of-massive-talent-nope-gif-25135473

[dense glade]

ty sir 🙌

[peak mauve]

Hey guys, im back to tanking with my warrior, got my 4 set and around 33% haste (18,5k unbuffed)
is into the fray playable at that haste lvl or should i stick to HR or is it just a "get used to it" angle?

Talking about m+ mainly

[frozen berry]

ITF is used

[peak mauve]

thanks!

[arctic citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-cute-yell-shout-cheer-gif-17060849

[ionic nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/bravo-ლეონარდო-დიკაპრიო-ტაში-leonardo-gif-21710553

[smoky anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/jellyfish-jelly-colorful-wow-cool-gif-13032337

Me rn frfr ong

[lofty warren]

Can you make food not break in this patch like you could before?

[toxic pewter]

Yeh gotta cook hearty food which requires 5 regular versions

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/213770533769052162/1352080217564250295/big2.gif?=&width=768&height=960

[ivory vault]

can you not leap over the hole on gallywix?

i tried to leap over but it made me legit just leap into the hole

[toxic pewter]

I think you can..

I swear I lept to get a far away bomb before

[dusky canopy]

I should take the time to level cooking so I can get my hearty secondary instead of using the chippy tea lol

[ivory vault]

ye i was trying to leap out of the bomb

but its almost like something knocked me mid air

[toxic pewter]

I mean I know the big orange circle have a set of bombs that drop down and do a knock back

[ivory vault]

maybe i leapt on same second it went off and it just nulled it

[slender bison]

Did they ninja fix the priory well stair steps when tanking Suleyman to avoid the giga shield slam?

Doesn't seem to work anymore

[neon elk]

Just tank him in coner , seems way more comfy to me

[urban bane]

man

Just pure cinema

[winged pawn]

LMAO

[solid sun]

Were they spec’d havoc and forgot

[surreal lodge]

with haste having dimishing returns past 30%. defensively anyone have an idea if its better to not to to go past 30% in favor of other stats or is haste gapping other secondaries by that much

[ivory vault]

is 662 vexie's pit whistle an ok trinket? or should i use 658 funhouse lens

[drifting hull]

VDH is a DPS in a tank skinsuit. If they don't have something to mitigate dmg rolling immediately in a pull, they tend to fall over.

[winged pawn]

is crafting a weapon a good idea? i have a hero titan of industry

[gentle gate]

Kind of a general thing but how easy is it to rip threat from active tank? My guilds having me go prot for reverb so our bdk can soak (I already tank m+ but never raid b4) but it feels like if I even think about shield slamming I'd take aggro from active tank

[ionic fern]

Unless your co-tank is severely incompetent,it's not easy.

[drifting hull]

If the other tank is pushing their buttons, it is nearly impossible. Just don't taunt until you are supposed to.

[gentle gate]

Yea def not taunting it's just confusing seeing 90%+ threat when I'm only auto attacking + ignore pain

There is an almost 20 ilvl difference (661 to 644 or smth) so that may be the issue but no idea

[ionic fern]

If you pair the ilvl with the incompetence of your co-tank,then it might be a issue.

If he can play the class decently well,it shouldn't be too significant.

[ionic nimbus]

Old but gold! Never getting not funny

[ionic fern]

I personally wouldn't this early on - there's plenty of weapon drops.

[nimble root]

heroic titan of industry won't replace my crafted shield right?

[gentle gate]

Got it, didn't want to call anyone out so thought I'd ask here, ty

[wide charm]

Is lariet still a thing or if you craft a neck do you just have to do earthen craftsmanship?

[nimble root]

earthen

[mighty valley]

Threat is just damage (except for taunts and stuff like heroic throw) so there'd have to be a huge damage gap to explain a problem with ripping aggro

[ionic fern]

It's hard to say what exactly is going wrong without logs,but from what you're stating it does sound like your co-tank isn't pressing the right buttons.

[wide charm]

675 > heroic gally shield

[untold isle]

yo guys, I need advise, what is better mythic shield from vault or HC shield from gally?

[mighty valley]

mythic shield

[viral jackal]

675 shield better than everything that isn’t mythic

[mighty valley]

ilvl is more important than the gallywix bonus

it's just a nice freebie

[nimble root]

yeah I figured, was just sad that I got it from the weekly

[viral jackal]

Block rating baby

[gentle gate]

This work?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/af7z2HBRqgjT8hFY?fight=34&type=damage-done

[winged pawn]

same 😭

[nimble root]

why are there three tanks? @gentle gate

[gentle gate]

3rd for soaking (bdk) I was primary tank and dh was OT

[mighty valley]

ok yeah this is a pretty gigantic damage gap

ideally someone would teach your cotank how to press buttons better

[gentle gate]

Ight, it's a casual aotc guild so can't really do much, glad I'm not the primary issue at least

[dense glade]

anyone have a weak aura to let you know when Tier set procs?

[coarse ferry]

Tome + Seaforium or would you replace one of those with house of cards (all Heroic ilvl) for M+ focused play?

[vocal flame]

Embellishment really doesnt matter on a weapon right?

[lusty grotto]

you have a hero weapon, he has bad weapons, hes playing very badly since demonsurge should be his top damage not 4th. his breakdown should look like demonsurge > soul cleave > burning blades > sigil of flames

sigil of flames should NOT be #1

bad player, bad weapons

[gentle gate]

Got it ill let her know

Appreciate it

[lusty grotto]

tell her to press soul cleave when she meta

or when she eye beams

[slender marsh]

maybe don't include the "bad player" part 😉