what stats to craft on shield? crit haste?
#protection
neat vector
strong forum
as colossus you can drop indom
it does extremely little healing
but battering ram incrases SS resets and thus rage gen by a TON
since 4pc also increases battering ram uptime by 100%
valid spade
instigate and bloodsurge is it much the same or does one win out
strong forum
instigate wins out on pulls 5 and below
bloodsurge wins out on pulls above that
so for large pull dungeons like priory and motherlode bloodsurge is extremely potent
valid spade
great
strong forum
instigate is the play in workshop and theater of pain
bitter sparrow
Wow they added lines to ToP tornados
lusty grotto
strong forum
the knock off frontals?
lusty grotto
now you get to see when it bugs out
and it spins around blasting the entire group
fun times
valid spade
are we making choices at the end between BR and BSV, or should I drop ravager for it im messing about each dungeon but im not sure if ravager is that huge an issue overall due to CD
narrow jay
Could we drop indomitable and run both instigate and bloodsurge?
restive oak
item restore
lusty grotto
item restoration!
neat vector
any1 playing show of force to compensate for nerf? xd
narrow jay
Doesnt everyone play show of force?
neat vector
dunno the specs i've seen didn't
strong forum
we literally are playing show of force
restive oak
im a weirdo and switch it for disrupting alot, lol
strong forum
neat vector
a lot of ppl i looked at were running disrupt yeah
lusty grotto
i did my job
lucid pecan
seen most warriors in high keys going for disrupt
neat vector
aoe interrupt kinda good
restive oak
its useful alot
narrow jay
Dps and healer problem
strong forum
dunno there arent many pulls where you need aoe kick
restive oak
and i was like, i already do enough dam fr, i don't wanna make dps feel that bad
strong forum
atleast from my experience
lusty grotto
i swap SoF for disrupting
its fine
just no reason to play both instigate and bloodsurge
pick 1
is dungeon = ToP or Workshop, pick instigate
narrow jay
But if you played both wouldn't the rage gen be crazy good? More revenge spam 😅
neat vector
how do we feel about spell block
cerulean tusk
i did my job
Well, if we aint playing thane yet - they prob should nerf it another 50%
lusty grotto
how do we feel about spell block
its always picked
restive oak
spell block is nice
narrow jay
Ive just been running instigate for every dungeon i like the extra dps and single target rage gen
lusty grotto
shitload of stuff is spell blockable this season, no reason to avoid it
in fact the vast majority of tank busters are, with the notable exception of thunder punch
restive oak
is very strong cd when you getting pew pewd by wizards
neat vector
makes sense
narrow jay
But I've also been running indomitable all season i didn't know it had been nerfed
sharp gale
😎
lusty grotto
more if the tooltip is correct
restive oak
shakes fist
coarse ferry
i did my job
i have posted as well
lusty grotto
#protection message post in forums
or with the ingame shit
i submitted it, i dont even know if they look at it tbh
coarse ferry
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148897941883584512/1354130136714...
have done both lol
topaz vale
if ur not pink or purple as a tank ur getting giga nerfed, cuz there were a lot of prot war in raiderio top 100 XDDD
lusty grotto
ty for your service Kyro
restive oak
bet they were from CHYNA
lusty grotto
hey hey
restive oak
mostly
lusty grotto
no bigotry
restive oak
just saying it didn't seem as popular in na
frail bear
no bigotry
Do you know the definition of bigotry
hardy snow
Wow they added lines to ToP tornados
can you show some screenshot how it looks now?
restive oak
na players were baited by the streamer bandwagon and couldn't read #s for some reason
distant fractal
Ok, so I got a Tome of Light's Devotion in my Vault, but I also managed to get a perfectly rolled Miniature Roulette Wheel, of which I will likely never see again, and even if I do, likely wont win...
restive oak
you can farm tome easier
sharp gale
just saying it didn't seem as popular in na
prot war huuuuuuge in china
restive oak
im just saying the ones i saw in the top :p
frail ibex
Deffo feel the nerfs
distant fractal
thats a joke
I mean, not with those stats. It's two random stats right?
frail ibex
Big sad
lusty grotto
hmm
restive oak
regular tank damage sad panda
void fern
Is the go to build changing with the nerfs that came out?
lusty grotto
no
distant fractal
If the ring drops, it's a 1/6 chance of being haste crit...
urban portal
@lusty grotto does your revenge tooltip reflect the colossal might tooltip?
urban portal
yeah thats the colossal might tooltip
lusty grotto
but yes
urban portal
but does the revenge tooltip matchup with it
lusty grotto
oh good question
lusty grotto
yeah i can check
topaz vale
bet they were from CHYNA
4 from china 1 from US
dusky canopy
urban portal
thats 10.3
dusky canopy
Math again
lusty grotto
256,289 2 stack (just including this for reference)
urban portal
why is first stack giving 10 and 2nd stack giving 4
so 2 stacks give 14
so 1 stack give 7
nocturne spindle
yea wtf
urban portal
what is this
nocturne spindle
i was like
urban portal
is this actual damage dealt
nocturne spindle
why is the one stack math not mathing
urban portal
or tooltip number
lusty grotto
let me go to an ST dummy cause One Against Many might be factoring in
urban portal
talent out of it
hardy snow
256,289 2 stack (just including this for reference)
that would be indeed 7% per stack
urban portal
that would be indeed 7% per stack
our new question is why is the first stack giving 10% and 2nd giving 4%
urban portal
aight 224,815
tooltip numbers or actual damage
lusty grotto
tooltip
urban portal
thats 7% on tooltip
so we good?
now check actual damage
actual damage should be 70% of tooltip due to armor
but we dont really care about that
compact flax
is there a way to figure out which items are better for survivability? Idk which is better for prot atm
urban portal
1 stack is lower in the list
use the combat logs in your chatbox
easier to read tbh
nocturne spindle
moar stats moar survivability
lusty grotto
its the same thing
urban portal
idk how to read this tbh
lusty grotto
174.8k and 187.5k
those are the amounts
1 stack, 2 stack
sorry i guess you didnt know the headers
but yeah its the combat log data
velvet knot
lusty grotto
suppose its better to have full amounts for math
ok guys
can you stop
posting vault shit
this is important
tender schooner
what's the deal with the insane low overall in keys then
urban portal
skill issue
tender schooner
Deffo feel the nerfs
did you log this by chance
lusty grotto
likely
tender schooner
about 25% nerf in my overall dmg , thx blizzard
did you log this by chance
coarse ferry
currently watching yoda do a 10 flood as pwar and he's hovering around 3.1m overall at swampface
lusty grotto
man we need a topic for vault pics
tawny merlin
Or should i pick leg tier mythic?
tender schooner
floodgate is a giga pull dungeon, love it
tawny merlin
man we need a topic for vault pics
Yes =/
lusty grotto
so that we can continue discussion here
and then just ignore vault pics completely
cause the answer is always sim
and/or is the item rare
anyway carry on
velvet knot
seaforium is the nobrainer here right?
unborn island
currently watching yoda do a 10 flood as pwar and he's hovering around 3.1m over...
He wasn't doing that much last week! Although tbh in higher keys, so who knows
torpid merlin
the damage nerfs went in this patch right
lusty grotto
For anyone that asks: the 5% on the Colossal Might tooltip is wrong, its 7% as stated in the dev notes, so tooltip error
just a tooltip error, very common with blizz
torpid merlin
so far im seeing considerably less damage in keys
tender schooner
someone please just log their m+ and post it here
topaz vale
did you log this by chance
nah i dont do logs
winged pawn
everyone is still running colo? anyone try mt?
velvet knot
MT feels smoother to play but colo has more burst dmg
winged pawn
ill give MT a try then, its easier too right?
lusty grotto
colossus has more damage
tender schooner
random log I found on WCL with a prot warrior doing keys post reset https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dnT6zh1WXJkGwHNZ
chilly brook
Myth seaforium pacemaker let's gooooo
velvet knot
Myth seaforium pacemaker let's gooooo
lets go brother
dusky canopy
Myth seaforium pacemaker let's gooooo
Pog gzz
winged pawn
i'm probably not playing good enough to see that damage difference between colo and mt
chilly brook
MT feels smoother to play but colo has more burst dmg
It's quite the opposite, Thane has more burst
lusty grotto
☝️
frank badge
the damage is so close now between revenge and demolish wtf
velvet knot
It's quite the opposite, Thane has more burst
really? Never felt it.
chilly brook
really? Never felt it.
because it's over in about 3 globals
lusty grotto
TB is literally burst
chilly brook
torpid merlin
time for thunderfury tmog
bussin
chilly brook
but avatar + spear + TB is more burst
lusty grotto
its burst period
triple SS
as well
colossus has sustained aoe
since youre just pushing revenge
thats your top damage, demolish is only 2nd
chilly brook
big sadge about the nerf
at least brew got a buff
although they still need more in terms of damage lmao
lusty grotto
agreed
nocturne spindle
we thicc warrior boi
cerulean tusk
Why buff brew, when you can nerf warrior?
tender schooner
at least brew got a buff
ya but my brew still only sims 1.156M 6min patchwerk
my pwarr still sims ~1.65M
frail bear
Can I get title on prot war or should i just get it over with and jump ship that’s the real question
unborn island
Blizzard detected fun on a class which wasn't pink, purple, red, or orange, so NERFBAT
cerulean tusk
Can I get title on prot war or should i just get it over with and jump ship that...
You can get title as anything, it is more a quesiton of commitment and effort than anything.
latent pier
So, how we feeling now? Nerf not a big deal?
frail bear
I’m not committed
cerulean tusk
Then no
chilly brook
I don't tank outside of keys so I don't care that much about raw single target
latent pier
I'm sure I'm the first person to ask and this isn't annoying to ask c:
distant fractal
I got +6 luck rn, any way to improve that?
cerulean tusk
Nerf stings, but isnt backbreaking
it like having your back hurting, but you can still lift
latent pier
So we're still 'the damage tank'
cerulean tusk
another go like this tho, and we might see you lying in bed rest of the season
latent pier
oof
urban bane
well the tide of battle thing is bigger than reported in the dev note, right?
frail bear
These nerfs are making me want to unleash my dark passenger…
latent pier
Is it that bad on aoe? :\
sacred flare
Anyone help me verify my choice from the vault?
valid spade
depends
lone zinc
I think someone further up said that it's just a tooltip display issue, and it's still 7% per stack like it says in the tree itself. I'm not wiz enough to know for sure myself though.
sacred flare
Thinking of taking the cloak as i already have it at a lower ilvl and it sims higher for dps
tender schooner
For anyone that asks: **the 5% on the Colossal Might tooltip is wrong, its 7% as...
we should pin this
or least triple confirm with logs, I'm looking slowly as I do work too
frail ibex
did you log this by chance
Nah I dont log keys
lusty grotto
we just confirmed with combat data
no need to confirm with logs
its literally the same thing
urban bane
Ah thanks for checking to make sure. just a tooltip error
lusty grotto
and logs might be skewed because of the One Against Many nerfs
so its not a direct calculation
tender schooner
fair point
twilit trail
Need some inspiration, prot warriors, please share your keybinds 👀
tender schooner
R for Revenge becauses it just's easy to spam for me /shrug
lusty grotto
binds are very personal
youre asking for some real head turners
ping Nish and your brain will melt
lone zinc
I randomize my binds and smash my face into my keyboard like a brainlet. Works for me.
lusty grotto
youll end up asking yourself how can someone have such long fingers
valid spade
1 SS 2 revenge 3 ip 4 sb
cerulean burrow
once you get over the top hand tendon pain its not that bad
south goblet
for example i have ravanger on =
urban bane
Shift + Control + Z for Revenge 
(this is not true)
valid spade
Someone came up with a guide a while back to map all keybinds for all people
It's on YouTube
south goblet
and storm bolt on -
torpid merlin
\ for shield slam
next pasture
does tome sim poorly? 3 trinkets in my vault, all simming higher than tome
valid spade
Makes sense
lusty grotto
does tome sim poorly? 3 trinkets in my vault, all simming higher than tome
use the apl its pinned
you cant vanilla sim for Tome
twilit trail
I've watched every youtube guide possible.
I know the tips, just curious about you guys choices in the matter
next pasture
i see, thanks
torpid merlin
thane simming 13% dps loss for me, interesting
snow spade
I've watched every youtube guide possible.
I know the tips, just curious about y...
i have shield block and ip on mousewheel up and down to make it easier to use at the same time as other abilities.
twilit trail
i have shield block and ip on mousewheel up and down to make it easier to use at...
Very same logic, I have it on side mouse buttons
torpid merlin
i keep shield block on F and ignore pain on C
twilit trail
5 seems far for our 3rd most spammed ability
tender schooner
SS = 1, IP = F, Shield Block = Shift+F, Revenge = R, Taunt = T
of course IP is a macro that also casts SS
tender schooner
correct
lusty grotto
for any lurkers reading
sharp gale
Showtooltip IP to avoid confusion
valid spade
r taunt is diabolocal
dusky canopy
R kick man
lusty grotto
R IP
dusky canopy
Idk hiw people don’t have kick on a close bind like q e r
lusty grotto
get it
sharp gale
R avatar because LoL, it’s my ult
lusty grotto
get it
lusty grotto
i aint joking
dusky canopy
🤦♂️
strong forum
does tome sim poorly? 3 trinkets in my vault, all simming higher than tome
You're simming dungeon slice, tome is a mostly single target trinket, ofc house of cards or energy drink are gonna sim more preferable
Tome is mostly single target trinket
hollow sphinx
r is shieldblock
tender schooner
that font wow
strong forum
I have the same font
hollow sphinx
driving me nuts, yes
lusty grotto
taunt on 2, weird.
wait till you find out my challenging is Shift + Space
torpid nymph
Did my first 10. Wow does Colossus feel bad to play now
sharp gale
(i have a french Azerty keyboard)
neat vector
(i have a french Azerty keyboard)
First decent looking bars I’ve seen in a class discord
dusky mica
Weird bug on my alt. He has 2P Prot tier. Gloves from LFR and Heroic shoulders. The 2P isn't proccing. If I remove and replace the gloves sometimes it will proc once but it doesn't seem to proc the correct shield wall spell since Avatar does not chain proc from the Immovable Object talent.
lusty grotto
whats wrong with mine
sharp gale
First decent looking bars I’ve seen in a class discord
ofc BASED ui andy
neat vector
Macro text
supple meadow
nim
twilit trail
(i have a french Azerty keyboard)
Heroic Throw has no bind?
frail bear
How do I make these weak aura packs more asthetic it’s gonna make me puke
neat vector
Yes I hide bars entirely
supple meadow
you're a nerd
strong forum
How do I make these weak aura packs more asthetic it’s gonna make me puke
figure out what you dislike and change it
lusty grotto
the rest of my bars are hidden obviously
strong forum
mine is pretty
sharp gale
Heroic Throw has no bind?
was in raid talents, i have raid buff and heroic trhow switched in m+
neat vector
Why gap between charge and sweeping and rush and pummel
neat vector
strong forum
But I am WA illiterate
then start learning by doing
lusty grotto
ive been using it for a while with naowh ui
lusty grotto
strong forum
thats how we all started
sharp gale
i have the one you know yes
supple meadow
i have the one *you know* yes
no numbers on your health bars
strong forum
the one without dynamic groups and EVERY single buff glows?
sharp gale
no numbers on your health bars
bc i have health on plates and i use group frames with my eyes
supple meadow
ok you're not banned
sharp gale
i should just remove player frame tbh
strong forum
supple meadow
ok now you're banned again
sharp gale
why i need this
versed jolt
Looking at logs for m+, it looks like all of the top prot warriors are running Colossus...Question for folks running 10+ keys...what spec are you running and why?
lusty grotto
you have your answer
lusty grotto
thats it, next question
versed jolt
it looks like COlossus adds a bit more survivability also with the ignore pain talen?
lusty grotto
defensiveness is around the same
versed jolt
gotcha
twilit trail
why i need this
Where do you see you own HPs if you hide it?
lusty grotto
thane easier to play for newer players
strong forum
which can be extremely clutch if you know what youre doing
sharp gale
Where do you see you own HPs if you hide it?
on the group frame
strong forum
kinda cursed ngl
sharp gale
Where do you see you own HPs if you hide it?
strong forum
still cursed
cerulean tusk
I shove all the UI blizz dont let me hide, up top left into one ball
supple meadow
what the actual fuck
versed jolt
gotcha. okay okay. For the rotation, is it pretty much the same just use demolish on cd and more revenge for aoe?
twilit trail
Yeah but it's unreliable if you get moved to different groups any time during raids
strong forum
i just have elvui like a normal human being
lusty grotto
funky playing like a classic andy
strong forum
cerulean tusk
Top left it goes
sharp gale
Yeah but it's unreliable if you get moved to different groups any time during ra...
i was talking about m+ UI
next pasture
You're simming dungeon slice, tome is a mostly single target trinket, ofc house ...
it was MDT sim, once i added the custom apl, it beat the others
lusty grotto
stop using Mdt sims lol
didnt you say that you were using it the other day and i told you that its not optimized?
next pasture
seems accurate tho x..x
hollow sphinx
why u guys dont like luxthos WA ? 😄 i really like it^^
lusty grotto
its fine, i guess
strong forum
eh, it looks pretty bloaty to me
and just too much glow on stuff
that doesnt need glowing
dense ingot
How do I make these weak aura packs more asthetic it’s gonna make me puke
I just made my own, the premade ones always had too much stuff
cerulean tusk
I just make my own UI, so it got what I want
dense ingot
lusty grotto
ok thats illegal
dense ingot
everything i send on cooldown on right side, stuff for normal rotation by health on the left, bars and defensives down bottom
hollow sphinx
https://puu.sh/KqBQi/b319d19bdf.png
u r not serious
cerulean tusk
ok thats illegal
I got something far more illegal, that will make 3/10 ppl in here go full crazy mode:
lusty grotto
I got something far more illegal, that will make 3/10 ppl in here go full crazy ...
who hurt you when you were a kid
cerulean tusk
It is on my "I will fix it when I get to it" list
nocturne spindle
if i post my cursed ass ui i will get banned
strong forum
I got something far more illegal, that will make 3/10 ppl in here go full crazy ...
those center buttons are entirely too big
small steeple
This looks like this boss is now gonna be completely a non issue
oak ivy
tender schooner
was actually shocked how much dam it did on my war compared to my brew
nocturne spindle
it was such a strange hard hitting ability compared to everything else
dense ingot
u r not serious
I am extremely serious.
nocturne spindle
and could basically only be shield walled
small steeple
It really was the outlier in that dungeon
small steeple
I got something far more illegal, that will make 3/10 ppl in here go full crazy ...
is mm fun?
Does it do damage too?
cerulean tusk
it is fun after you play warrior for a bit
and you just dont want to have your balls kicked every pack
Dam is decent, not BM, but decent
surreal lodge
timid wigeon
should I craft haste/crit or haste/vers if I am a m+ tank ? I checked on raider.io, and all top prots stack haste/vers
lusty grotto
whichever you like
timid wigeon
but when I sim, crit is like 20% more valuable in dps than vers
small steeple
Dam is decent, not BM, but decent
I know current m+ damage logs show that the highest avg overall is flameshaper dev, sl unholy, then mm I think
M+ damage logs so take it with a grain of salt ofc
supple meadow
I got something far more illegal, that will make 3/10 ppl in here go full crazy ...
You're disgusting
cerulean tusk
lusty grotto
pack dn
supple meadow
on every single character
small steeple
I just have rows on the bottom, and use Luxthos WA for every class (that I customize some)
supple meadow
I'd show you but my sub is gone rn and I can't get on the character
strong forum
I have 3 blocks of 4 by 3 for all my buttons
too symmetrical looks ugly idk
supple meadow
cause I'm pooooor
strong forum
looks like you just have a massive block on your screen
cerulean tusk
those center buttons are entirely too big
Making fun of handicaps are we? Not very Orange text of you
Smh, I will never forgive you 
supple meadow
too symmetrical looks ugly idk
symmetrical makes my brain happy
lusty grotto
praise imperfection!
cerulean tusk
Moooods?
supple meadow
more like should've not had horrible adhd and ocd
lusty grotto
except funky takes it too far
supple meadow
I blame my parents
small steeple
shouldve had better eye genetics
are you discriminating against my 3rd eye? How dare you....
How dare you I say
lol
cerulean tusk
except funky takes it too far
You just jelly I dont care about how the buttons looks, only the number that shows when I press
lusty grotto
cerulean burrow
shouldve had better eye genetics
jokes on you im legally blind and only differentiate distance and space on colors alone so everything looks like a blob regardless of it its actually a circle haha
god i need health insurance
lusty grotto
can you play without a monitor?
valid spade
Unlucky Americana
cerulean burrow
true as fuck
lusty grotto
thats a super power!
lusty grotto
just make sure to get diabetes
supple meadow
I had a robot tell me I don't need health insurance
lusty grotto
https://tenor.com/view/america-hurricane-happy4th-of-july-america-flag-independence-day-gif-21259025
supple meadow
💀💀💀
cerulean burrow
nothing exists if you dont let it just ignore the deaths
supple meadow
twice btw
hollow bolt
Murica, you cant get health insurance, but u can get a gun and remove peoples need for it
supple meadow
nothing exists if you dont let it just ignore the deaths
Ignore pain irl
valid spade
Why have health insurance when you can steal health insurance with a gun
Checkmate world. I assume Americans are saying
hollow bolt
Luigis a respected name in this house
supple meadow
I can go buy a gun at Walmart rn for 300$
lusty grotto
in this house as well
cerulean tusk
I can go buy a gun at Walmart rn for 300$
That for sure going to fix the eye problems
supple meadow
But health insurance? Nah
cerulean tusk
supple meadow
I have 0 disposable money 💀
cerulean burrow
im just hoping they deteriorate into glaucoma or some shit since i have two astigmatisms fuck it
hollow bolt
Jesus christ u will need to finance ur groceries
jagged pier
did u finance a burrito?
lusty grotto
r u ok
supple meadow
no
valid spade
Cashapp debt who knew
cerulean burrow
we stay financing doordash orders
low thistle
hi all. i looked at war within updates. i see were catching damage nerfs, but that has no effect on rotation yeah? I can still spam revenge if im comfy on IP and shield block?
collosus
lusty grotto
no effect
hollow bolt
did a stiny at a bank, government shutdown year was the worse
low thistle
ty
lusty grotto
tiny yew
hey, I'm new to the server and was wanting advice on Trinkets.. I currently have the Bomb Suit and Pacemaker equipped and got the "Viscera of Coalesced Hatred".. this is the Sim for the 3, but I can't figure out if losing the Bomb Suit is worth the DPS and if the Pacemaker is still better despite the slightly lower DPS?
languid sorrel
Guys, can I ask the professinals some opinions on what to get from the vault? Currently I'm using a tier-set piece on chest 645 that I got from LFG on week1 and havent replaced yet. Was considering maybe getting the chest and using catalyst on it? I know the chest isnt the best slot, but idk. Suggestions?
strong forum
hey, I'm new to the server and was wanting advice on Trinkets.. I currently have...
cuz viscera is a dmg trinket and bombsuit is a defensive trinket
so depends on your if youre comfortable
to drop bombsuit or not
jagged pier
viscera also doesnt have the tank damage reduce on it for some reason i believe
strong forum
cuz its on prot loot table iirc
small steeple
I heard the hunter adjustments aren't live either for some reason
jagged pier
yer but dps can get it too they usually reduce that for tanks if its true
tiny yew
Bomb Suit is a life-saver.. and Viscera is on both Tank and DPS loot tables
small steeple
Oh no viscera has tank tax on it now, or at least it should be
tiny yew
but yeah, I just don't know if Viscera out-performs Pacemaker.. I don't think I'm ready to drop Bomb Suit yet
lusty grotto
lock bomb suit
cerulean tusk
lusty grotto
run sim again
cerulean tusk
This thing sucks
lusty grotto
but chances are we know the answer
strong forum
pacemaker is better than viscera
small steeple
Viscera did just get nerfed, or should have been for tanks specifically
tiny yew
Viscera just got a 20% damage buff.. didn't it?
small steeple
And nerfed for tanks only
tender schooner
I know BDK discord was complaining it got the tank tax on it today, but idk if it was a gaslight as I never followed up
Viscera
small steeple
strong forum
ic thanks
tender schooner
there it is
tiny yew
Sim still says Viscera gives slightly more DPS than Pacemaker.. just dunno if the Pacemaker is better because Crit helps defensively as well
cerulean tusk
Why would they nerf the pigliver?
jagged pier
well trinket bad now then
cerulean tusk
It already sucked
tender schooner
it's a pure ST trinket
jagged pier
nah it was pretty beefy for damage
small steeple
Why would they nerf the pigliver?
Was good st for like bdk and stuff
cerulean tusk
=_= 2%
small steeple
2%>0
cerulean tusk
I take 0%
small steeple
womp womp
undone beacon
I need a second opinon... Prot sims say to take the Radiant Necro Band (Vers/Mast), Arms say take the Amplifier (still a prot upgrade but not as much as ring)...
O wise warriors, i call upon thee 
jagged pier
lusty grotto
subject to rng
small steeple
<:sim:353616825847906304>
Did you miss the part where he said he did sim?
small steeple
4 if you count the 3 vault slots and 1 delve map
cerulean tusk
<:sim:353616825847906304>
strong forum
I need a second opinon... Prot sims say to take the Radiant Necro Band (Vers/Mas...
take the amp
thake the amp
lusty grotto
jakey catching strays
strong forum
take the amp
tender schooner
hero amp is big
small steeple
lmao nome you good?
lusty grotto
tek teh apm
cerulean tusk
I thought you had a stroke
undone beacon
point emphasized, amp in possesion
dark barn
Is raidbots updated with today nerfs? I didnt noticed great changes in my results
cerulean tusk
Now Nome gonna call you a noob, and say you did the wrong thing
cyan bronze
I need a second opinon... Prot sims say to take the Radiant Necro Band (Vers/Mas...
Take the worst option for all
small steeple
mechanoamp goes REAL hard
Is mechano-amp that good for prot war too?
undone beacon
If the amp is good enough to send Nome into a stroke its good enough for me
cyan bronze
That way you’re disappointed no matter what
strong forum
yes mechano amp is huge
small steeple
Bigger than myth pacemaker/hero Tome?
strong forum
the only reason why its not in S tier is cuz you cant get it beyond hero track
for m+, in theory better than tome, absolutely better on aoe
in ST, nah
these are our best aoe trinkets
undone beacon
Oh damn, didn't realize Amp was that goated
strong forum
yea
cyan bronze
what is the ppm on it
undone beacon
This is why I ask for second opinions because I 100% would've taken that ring and felt like a
strong forum
3ppm
strong forum
ya its big
small steeple
I got it on my dk. It big
undone beacon
Its still simming lower than a maxxed out Radiant Necromancer's Band but I'll end up with more myth rings
If I don't take it now it'll never show back up lol
indigo hawk
Did demoralizing shout give threat ?
tender schooner
always has
indigo hawk
I see it no where…
tender schooner
ok I lied
lusty grotto
well technically you didnt
indigo hawk
Ah thank you !
topaz latch
5 expansions? oh no, im old.
indigo hawk
I played classic and got baited 😅
strong forum
it still does grant threat!
topaz latch
I played classic and got baited 😅
lololol
cyan bronze
first mistake was playing classic
cyan bronze
its fuckall
would u say more or less than 3
lusty grotto
well back in vanilla it was kind of amped cause people didnt know how to fucking play
knotty mantle
how much closer are thane and collosus in M+ now?
undone beacon
I only play Slayer prot sorry
topaz latch
how much closer are thane and collosus in M+ now?
i like MT for the sweet execute phase, but colossus big demolish
lusty grotto
huh
lusty grotto
how much closer are thane and collosus in M+ now?
its closer, but still gapped
knotty mantle
i like MT for the sweet execute phase, but colossus big demolish
execute button has come in clutch during tyrannical fights
knotty mantle
its closer, but still gapped
gotcha, ty ty
topaz latch
execute button has come in clutch during tyrannical fights
god, it has. but also i highly value ST damage. especially tyrannical bosses.
hard cliff
i feel like demo + execute would still beat that out though, no?
polar shale
Hey guys! quikc question, which 2 pieces should be my first 2 crafts?
late rock
Depends what you have in your other slots tbh
knotty mantle
god, it has. but also i highly value ST damage. especially tyrannical bosses.
Definitely one of my favorite things about pwarr compared to other tanks.. the ability to pivot your rage into aggressive spending (revenge/execute) if you're able to. Especially on bosses where the pressure on me is low but the pressure on my team is high. It feels good to slam 3+ mill crits into the boss repeatedly.
Also last week was amazing since you can just mash execute into the spawned add and help the dps burst it down.
polar shale
just got my warrior to 80 yesterday and got some loot but a lot of greens still
pretty much anything is an upgrade tbh
lusty grotto
go shield first then
polar shale
also what are the most desired stats for warrior besides strenght?
lusty grotto
and then 1h
polar shale
aight thanks
lusty grotto
haste
cyan bronze
also what are the most desired stats for warrior besides strenght?
block
restive oak
haste
late rock
Yeah weapons always big if you have nothing else
lusty grotto
and crit or vers, whatever you want, crit is better damage though
restive oak
crit, vm i mean once you hit haste all stats are pretty good
late rock
I'd go haste crit if I was you
polar shale
I was thinking crit, I dont think i'll be pushing too high as prot I am just kinda memeing with it a bit
restive oak
but yeah haste/crit
cyan bronze
and crit or vers, whatever you want, crit is better damage though
isn’t crit just better for colossus?
polar shale
Thanks, hate crit it is then
cyan bronze
like u would have to catch me mentally ill
lusty grotto
isn’t crit just better for colossus?
for both
cyan bronze
to stat vers on either
topaz latch
Definitely one of my favorite things about pwarr compared to other tanks.. the a...
100%%. i absolutely love Pwars kinda ease in using its class resource for hvy st dam, aoe, and defensives. its almost braindead.
cyan bronze
but holy fuck on colossus
vague abyss
finally some good news for once
elder viper
finally some good news for once
lord knows pwars needed this
late rock
Do the undermine quest to get a free runed crest if you're struggling to get into content for now too
vague abyss
my alt pally healer have like 5 runed crests because the reputation rewards of season 1 rolled over this one lol
inner pilot
Yo guys "~10-13% AoE nerf and 5% ST nerf", wasnt it like 3% and 5% 2 days ago?
What did i miss
strong forum
sims
lusty grotto
math
lusty grotto
pins
sharp gale
Math mathing better after few days
strong forum
do be like that sometime
too many different multipliers on revenge ig for me to be more accurate with guessing
vague abyss
finally got the tome of light's devotion, reading the pins tells me i should be on sword form as much as i can, is there a weakauras to track/warn about this?
lusty grotto
yes wago has you covered
sharp gale
So many multipliers that some class a -3% aura nerf is -2.7%
strong forum
well thats cuz of flat dmg effects
vague abyss
yes wago has you covered
yay another aura to pin to my already crippling potato PC 😄
small steeple
I like the 4% frost dk buff turned into a 3.3% one
and the 15% aug buff turned into 5% lmao
small steeple
lmao
toxic pewter
3rd week in row heroic titan of industry drops 1st week i was in wrong loot spec (would of won it), 2nd week shaman ninja'd it from me (he told me he wasnt even going to use), 3rd week another shaman wins it
I have only myself to blame at this point
timid wigeon
am I the only one thinking Thane is squishier than Colossus ?
toxic pewter
guess i will jsut craft a shield
small steeple
3rd week in row heroic titan of industry drops 1st week i was in wrong loot spec...
he told you he wasn't going to use it.... then why didn't he give it to you? thats kinda messed up
toxic pewter
he *told* you he wasn't going to use it.... then why didn't he give it to you? t...
yeah when I called him a thief he made a reddit post about me
small steeple
yeah when I called him a thief he made a reddit post about me
link link
heavy sparrow
yes wago has you covered
Re tome WA. How do you find it so far?
toxic pewter
and then like 10 redditors told him he was wrong
lusty grotto
Re tome WA. How do you find it so far?
i dont have it
toxic pewter
but i have a pdf i saved lol do u want to see it
small steeple
yes
frozen berry
hmmm, i got a myth track 1h crit/haste wep in vault or tier legs, have 675 wep already made, just take the legs right?
frozen berry
think so? just for the 3ilvl?
lusty grotto
think so? just for the 3ilvl?
yea youll get myth legs later
perfect stat weapon, worth it
every ilvl is more weapon damage which goes directly into your abilities
runic hatch
Mythic grim codex > heroic house of cards?? Sims say codex but I think it’s bait
lusty grotto
not bait
small steeple
damn
lusty grotto
but entirely up to you, i would trust sims
grim codex was part of the trinket buffs today so yea
vague abyss
math wont lie to you son
lusty grotto
it was strong before anyway
toxic pewter
wtf is grim codex
heavy sparrow
Pants is no brainer here but idk I sorta want to take this trinket for shits and gigs
lusty grotto
ToP trinket
solid sun
successful vault
heavy sparrow
Hail the new king
junior marten
As a fresh lv 80 prot warrior, do I put Fury as loot spec and craft the shield ?
coarse ferry
sim says house of cards but my pants are veteran and i have a cata charge avail....
distant scarab
I know the nerf was sort of warranted, but isn’t the only reason to take a prot warrior to high keys gone now?
The vdh gatekeeping was already there but i doubt I will see any action in 13> now
grave vector
I know the nerf was sort of warranted, but isn’t the only reason to take a prot ...
I just Leveled a prot for damage funsies and im really sad aswell😄
hollow hill
Sorry if this has been asked before but I tried searching and didn't see it mentioned. Did the damage buffs to trinkets have any effect on the rankings on our wowhead guide or are they still roughly the same since they all pretty much got damage buffs?
rich ember
Prot war still does above avg dam
timid wigeon
after testing on priory 11 on Thane and Colossus, Colossus won in AoE, Thane won in ST
rich ember
thane should not have won ST
timid wigeon
thane should not have won ST
assuming both use m+ build, in my case, Thane won
mild river
after testing on priory 11 on Thane and Colossus, Colossus won in AoE, Thane won...
won by how much each one?
prisma echo
OK GUYS
help me :d
what the actual fuck xD
i got custom apl why its showing 40% more
lusty grotto
sounds accurate
also do 5 targets, not 4
since you want as close to target caps as possible
sharp kayak
275k at 655 is still a wild result though
coarse ferry
is that sim just doing the damage for the trinket only?
lusty grotto
is that sim just doing the damage for the trinket only?
no?
its a full sim with proper usage for tome
as seen in the pins
otherwise the sim doesnt really prioritize putting tome in sword mode
jagged gust
sure doesn't look like it
keen relic
it's probably cause there's only like 6 lines in the custom APL you put in
coarse ferry
I ran the same patchwork 4 boss 1 min sim without tome and the custom apl... 3.528m dps
lusty grotto
5 target
sharp kayak
Yeah I guess I don’t understand the custom apl. That’s why I said the result is crazy
lusty grotto
stop doing 4 target
lusty grotto
oh you guys are looking at the dps
jagged gust
Yeah I guess I don’t understand the custom apl. That’s why I said the result is ...
there should be a guide on raidbots for implementing custom code in the advanced tab
lusty grotto
i was like what are they on about
chrome lance
devout star
so are we still play col in m+
keen relic
this is your custom APL, the one in pins is like 50+ lines or something
devout star
or is mountain thane the move now?
valid spade
so are we still play col in m+
Yes
lusty grotto
yeah im guessing he didnt sim correctly now that you mention it
valid spade
Nothing really changed
devout star
so i did i miss something what got buffed for col that makes it better than thane now
lusty grotto
def only simming trinket dps lol
devout star
did something happen at the end of s1?
valid spade
Col took a hit, but it's still better than thrane
devout star
Col took a hit, but it's still better than thrane
when i played in s1 thane was better though so im just wondering what happened that made col better
lusty grotto
colossus was always ahead, its just comfier now
valid spade
Oh you've missed a lot. Colossus was pumping it still is pumping but 12 percent less on aoe
And 5 on st
Thrane is maybe slightly easier to play and tankier on virtue of rage and dumping said rage
devout star
Oh you've missed a lot. Colossus was pumping it still is pumping but 12 percent ...
for reference i switched to prot pally after the huge buff that happened during s1
cunning oriole
Is col far enough ahead that I need to switch for casual heroic raiding? Not a huge key pusher.
devout star
but when i started s1 i was a prot warr playing thane
mighty valley
Is col far enough ahead that I need to switch for casual heroic raiding? Not a h...
colossus is ahead in aoe, thane is just fine in raid
lusty grotto
not this exp
coarse ferry
why is house of cards simming so freaking high compared to other s trinkets? is it just the AP we get from mastery during our CD windows?
devout star
not this exp
idk i remember pally being v squishy in the start of s1 of ww and then a big buff about a month in
lusty grotto
why is house of cards simming so freaking high compared to other s trinkets? is ...
same reason why mark of khadros was good last season
or skarmorak
coarse ferry
same reason why mark of khadros was good last season
didn't play warrior last season so yea...
lusty grotto
i mean khardros wasnt big for just warrior
big mastery on demand that aligns with cds = good
also its bis for everybody
so good luck
literally every single class wants it
same as eye of kezan
anyway back to the sim
Walll youre simming incorrectly
prisma echo
Guys last dumb question. I should press trinket on shield mode to activate and boost crit mode right?
or othervise
prisma echo
got it
lusty grotto
but yeah did you figure out what you were doing wrong
valid spade
You're only selecting bits of gear on the SIM it looked like
Or was that what you were expecting
prisma echo
i was checking which trinket is better and what will be change if i swap to book
lusty grotto
what do you think will change, shield gives no damage
its strictly defensive lol
dont really need to sim to know that
just read the tooltip
sharp gale
so good luck
That’s why I only did bandit and gally on the war, to have only them in the vault
hardy snow
That’s why I only did bandit and gally on the war, to have only them in the vaul...
they introduced in late DF I think that boss kill unlocks also all previous bosses in vault
did they roll it back in TWW?
lusty grotto
yeah that doesnt work anymore
sharp gale
they introduced in late DF I think that boss kill unlocks also all previous boss...
I will see
lusty grotto
he gets the entire loot table
dense hill
How do we feel about the Jaston Diamond ring? Pulled it from the weekly box at 665
lusty grotto
its good
sharp gale
Tomorrow, ( I’m praying for a shield rn so idc about the trinkets)
dense hill
Pair it with this? Or Circlet still probably? I don't think my raid team have moved off it yet
sharp gale
That’s the most beautiful ring I’ve seen
lusty grotto
so is mountain thane just better than colossus now
nothing has changed
im tired boss
IM TIRED BOSS
vivid hornet
besides a 13% nerf?
winged pawn
😂
torpid merlin
so is mountain thane just better than colossus now
been watching yoda and i think he still says colossus is the play
sharp gale
been watching yoda and i think he still says colossus is the play
I think yoda will just go prot pal
undone beacon
Nim is boutta lose it
torpid merlin
i didnt say he was playing war, but he was saying if you are going to play war you play colossus
winged pawn
which ones more fun
sharp gale
Bc it’s his main and is not inting playing ppal since .5 last season
undone beacon
Disregard all other tanks this is now a Brewmaster channel
So those staggers, am i right?
torpid merlin
how about them kegs
lusty grotto
only if you use the immersive SCK WA
agile elbow
Bring back the guy from earlier that kept linking VDH tierlists to Nim. That was quality entertainment.
sharp gale
My friend who is usually top 3 brew gave up and is turning into a dh
lusty grotto
play brew > install immersive sck WA > best tank ever
sharp gale
Brew is in the worst state that it has ever been (due to no change but dungeons this season has huge target counts)
undone beacon
Why is there no real immersive 1st person camera addon smh
agile elbow
Profusely vomit all over keyboard due to motion sickness.
lusty grotto
sharp gale
You can link an immersive bladestorm or whirlwind wa ?
undone beacon
I've been playing my guardian druid a lot cuz its so braindead, perfect for carrying guildies through shitter keys
Plus I get to be a moose
sharp gale
Thx
sharp gale
My friend is starting mistweaver since a day or two, it’s time to link this in party chat just before a key
undone beacon
I'm putting the bladestorm one in the raid WA pack the next time I share it with my raid
Just for our dps warr
toxic pewter
what are these immersive things
||oh wow it makes camera spin lol||
gotta try this
gonna use it in pvp solo shuffles
spin to win
lusty grotto
||oh wow it makes camera spin lol||
spoiler tag
toxic pewter
oof lol
lusty grotto
lmaooo
toxic pewter
XD
sharp gale
I just change the name to MW hot helper
lusty grotto
sonic terrace
is it just me or everything is smacking ? i feel like im getting hit harder than before
lusty grotto
its you
sharp gale
And if the thought of I need vers came into your mind, it is deeply wrong
sonic terrace
mm kk
lusty grotto
vers dn
torpid merlin
is it just me or everything is smacking ? i feel like im getting hit harder than...
i've actually felt this as well compared to yesterday
lusty grotto
you dont know what kratoss is doing
so youre not feeling the same thing
cause it very well might be just fort
sharp gale
Yeah I’m saying it bc it might be one of the infinite possible causes
torpid merlin
lmao
high parrot
Press buttons harder, problem solved
torpid merlin
Press buttons harder, problem solved
deal
torpid merlin
smash hammer on keyboard
you mean DEMOLISH right
ruby musk
And if the thought of *I need vers* came into your mind, it is deeply wrong
This is the way
prisma echo
Ah i didnt paste all APL there is more text when you download it
south zealot
i think i need more vers guys
lusty grotto
vers dn
edgy kindle
Dumb question, are we a likely contender to be "the tank" of this season? I see a lot of DHs in high keys so I assume that spot goes to them but I've felt P War quite solid in the offensive and utility areas (not so sure about defense vs specific bosses). Just curious about it, it's not like I'm really gonna push to key levels where that actually matters, just got the 3k mount and I'm kinda done with the season.
lusty grotto
no
torpid merlin
Dumb question, are we a likely contender to be "the tank" of this season? I see ...
no
torn gulch
until we see the class tuning of 11.1.5 the tank for the season is vdh
edgy kindle
May I ask what makes them so good rn?
torn gulch
tanky and they have a lot of utility
ruby musk
Utility mostly.
edgy kindle
I see
torn gulch
and good damage
ruby musk
What I would give for a primary stat battle shout or banner ability for lust.
south zealot
utility
frozen berry
where do we get the 2nd half of spark this week? any particular chest?
torn gulch
pinnacle chests have the half sparks
you need to do the quests that reward pinnacle chests
prisma echo
dissapointment is real
lusty grotto
we had our spotlight as RWF tank which hasnt happened in a big while
that enough was good
heavy sparrow
Is it normal to have reduced DPS with the tome APL before and after our damage nerf?
lusty grotto
what do you mean
jade summit
Are the kiting orbs on last boss for floodgate spell reflectable?
lusty grotto
very clearly not, as seen in the reflectable sheet
thats pinned, and has been forever
lusty grotto
link the last sim
lusty grotto
are they both weekly?
heavy sparrow
they're both weekly
dull vine
thane = colossus at m+ right now?
mild river
thane = colossus at m+ right now?
No
lusty grotto
im tired boss
mild river
Still no
lusty grotto
nothing has changed
mild river
Col is better
mild river
We just lot a ton of damage and our utilitie is the same: zero
heavy sparrow
feels like some kind of sim variance but just in case
so this is with same sim details and gear 5 days ago.
dull vine
thane are aesthetic
unborn island
Nim, have you just been telling people nothing has changed for like...10 hours at this point?