yes
#protection
small steeple
yeah ok this is a norm carnage, SS execute then demolish
indigo wraith
sims are A+
are there any particular parameter to put in apl for M+ war prot ? or dungeonsplice
lusty grotto
1 patchwerk 3 mins for ST
small steeple
dungone splice bad. Don't think many specs support it
lusty grotto
5 patchwerk 1min or 1.5 mins for AOE
indigo wraith
Thanks a lot
indigo wraith
dungone splice bad. Don't think many specs support it
yeah, main is sham enh, apparently works well on it:p
But hunter BM needs special apl
small steeple
I've never quite understood the point of super short sims are. Because sometimes the sim is so short your cds were up the entire time so it gives an incorrect view of your damage
indigo wraith
I've never quite understood the point of super short sims are. Because sometimes...
most of the CD are use on pull on sims
so short sim accounts for the 1 use of all your CD and basta
small steeple
Exactly, and some specs can have them up a 2nd or even 3rd time in the time it takes the other spec get another use of cd
indigo wraith
i guess its 1.5mins because longest CD is 1.5 so it doesnt use it twice
a bit more on ST for 2 rotations
but yeah doing a longer one shouldnt change that much the outcome as long as its aligned with CD
small steeple
Like ascendance is a 3min cd, and dark transformation for unholy is 45 seconds
Idk just doesn't make sense outside of showing the opening burst
indigo wraith
Like ascendance is a 3min cd, and dark transformation for unholy is 45 seconds
in this case i would run 3mins or 6mins but nothing in between
lusty grotto
so short sim accounts for the 1 use of all your CD and basta
longer cds sure, but 2 avatars
mighty valley
I've never quite understood the point of super short sims are. Because sometimes...
it's kind of worthwhile to get short and long aoe sims but at a high level people are pulling larger around CDs
small steeple
Well it can lead to certain things simming higher/lower than its real worth. Like say haste. A cd that grants haste, as well as bloodlust are used at the start of the sim. So gear with haste will have less value in that sim than what it would have outside of that situation
It's just a very specific scenario is all
lusty grotto
you want to optimize for your burst
that directly gets your dps up
because its the max in the graph
lust doesnt devalue haste
DRs devalue haste
most CDs that grant haste do not grant rating, therefor no DR
small steeple
I mean, it does devalue it though. At 20% haste an item adding 2% woule be increasing haste by 10%. But with lust that item that gives 2% will be added to 35% haste so only adding 5.7% haste. Thats straight math. No DR at all
lusty grotto
wat
small steeple
Relative gain
The proportional/relative gain is less, even if its the same absolute gain
lusty grotto
we used to
but i just stopped giving a fuck lol
short sims were supposed to be without lust
small steeple
Haven't seen many people talk about this is wow, but I play a lot of arpgs and thats a common factor to consider, especially when dealing with something at like 4000% total additive damage and you add 1%, so it adds a relative 0.025% damage. Way more extreme than this case
lusty grotto
ST sims though, you ran lust with
either 3 mins or 5 mins for wow-audit
i have a bad case of the mondays, thats way too many numbers for me
maybe later in the week we can have this discussion
at some point that minutiae really doesnt matter lmao
small steeple
Technicalities are important
lusty grotto
for you
small steeple
for accuracy
lusty grotto
ok
small steeple
lol
small steeple
zug zug?
zug zug
lusty grotto
years ago i would have given a damn about it lmao
mighty valley
i mean the point of simulations is to simulate realistic-ish scenarios so we don't have to argue numbers
robot tell us, we sleep
lusty grotto
now its just ¯_(ツ)_/¯
surreal lodge
random theorycrafting. wanted to hear other peoples thoughts. so for pure m+, im thinking it might be better to use dinars on house of cards or a bis trinket over the shield since stacking that shield up to 25 times doesnt seem like practical in m+ depending on the proc rate. thoughts?
lusty grotto
kinda feels like the right call
surreal lodge
subject to tuning and we dont know how the system wil lwork in 11.1.5
lusty grotto
it also depends on what you've gotten at that point
surreal lodge
even though i love the idea of having a badass shield
mighty valley
it's recommended as a dinar buy mostly just because it's a highest ilvl shield, but if you can get that from elsewhere and are struggling for trinket drops, yeah that might make sense
surreal lodge
more than a trinket
small steeple
random theorycrafting. wanted to hear other peoples thoughts. so for pure m+, im...
idk 678 shield is still strictly better than a 675 shield
lusty grotto
cause a myth shield vs a gally shield, not a lot of dps gained difference
surreal lodge
i guess this is with the assumption equal ilvl
replacement
but ya its def more a sim or situational thing but definitely doesnt seen like the shield is just auto bis
like the best-in-slots wep for a lot of classes
lusty grotto
☝️
surreal lodge
ring is interesting. we still may see more trinket tunings
lusty grotto
theres 2 other crit haste shields from keys
and if by that point you havent gotten one of them in the vault, you have my luck
small steeple
theres 2 other crit haste shields from keys
yes, but my point stands, equal ilvl, same optimal stats, plus a cantrip effect. Its obvious which would be better in that direct comparison
lusty grotto
the context is dinars
surreal lodge
its kinda annoying when u get like a b+/a tier trinket as a vault selection cause u feel like its worth taking but not sure how itll be tuned
lusty grotto
nobody is refuting how one is slightly better than others at equal ilvls
sharp gale
and if by that point you havent gotten one of them in the vault, you have my luc...
I got vers mastery wep 
lusty grotto
but the fact is you wouldnt spend a dinar for the minimal dps gain
also concerning upping
at that point you should have free uppies anyway
surreal lodge
honestly would love to spend dinars on the bomb suit trinket potentially
sharp gale
I was going to say that
lusty grotto
🤝
sharp gale
If I didn’t got them in the meantime 
surreal lodge
just hoping war dmg isnt slapped too hard on the patch
they say its 5 percent but ive been hearing other things
surreal lodge
thats kinda hard af
ill still be fucking with prot war but would have been nice to see them maybe compensate that change with a defensive buff or something
dmg def needed a nerf tho
maybe take demoralizing shout off the gcd
lusty grotto
maybe take demoralizing shout off the gcd
pepperidge farm remembers
clever barn
on the last boss in floodgate, can you spellreflect the fixating spark to deflect it?
small steeple
dont think so
smoky anvil
on the last boss in floodgate, can you spellreflect the fixating spark to deflec...
Absolutely zero fun allowed with reflect on that boss
smoky anvil
Especially when your dps are terrorists and take your puddle
clever barn
indeed
smoky anvil
And then bitch when you’re stunned for like 8 sec
mighty valley
if i don't trust my dps to let me take a convenient puddle, i just jump far past the biggest cluster of them
ionic nimbus
paper minnow
Mountain Thane will be better after nerfs to colossus?
mighty valley
they'll both have the same roles
colossus will still do more aoe damage
thane will be slightly more sturdy and do better execute damage
stiff gate
nerf estimates are up to 10-13% aoe? damn.
unborn island
Fun was detected on a minority spec, must nerf into ground.
(exaggeration if course, we are fine)
stiff gate
just silly that they will make sure dps is balanced across all the tanks but leave insane utility disparities
lusty grotto
it be like that
pearl zinc
@strong forum
r we dead?
the forums told me we were dead
nome? oh god they got him too
elder viper
how bad is it to be using 2 on use trinkets? right now my only 3 trinkets are riks radio, house of cards, and chrome bombsuit, ive found that the absorb from bomb suit is really nice but it sucks if i want to start my house stacking since you are required to wait
pearl zinc
mild river
We are not dead. We won't be invited to 12+ keys. But we can do our own keys or get a group.
lusty grotto
how bad is it to be using 2 on use trinkets? right now my only 3 trinkets are ri...
its not bad, if you can handle it
mild river
Or reroll 😄
shut summit
spec is dead wrap it up
jagged pier
mild river
And unless we got a patch focused on utilities in general, we won't be meta this expansion or ever.
Because even when we had good dps we were not meta (first weeks this season)
unborn island
We are not dead. We won't be invited to 12+ keys. But we can do our own keys or ...
We will probably still get invites, they'll just be harder to come by 🙂
slender bison
I would be happy if Intervene got a CD reduction and a shield bump on Thane for starters. Lots of intervening going around this season, especially Priory & Darkflame
Intervene hasn't been used before TWW since 2007
lime mantle
And unless we got a patch focused on utilities in general, we won't be meta this...
Warrior tank is only meta when it deals disproportionately higher DPS than the other tanks and basically being a 4th DPS (BFA being the obvious one, and even apex warrior playrate was a week at 75%) Which isn't a thing blizzard seems willing to allow again because "reasons", but 70%+ pick rates are totally kosher and 👌
mild river
I would be happy if Intervene got a CD reduction and a shield bump on Thane for ...
Could be an aura that deflects every melee/ranged attack nearby
mental scarab
Yea i loved BFA
slender bison
Could be an aura that deflects every melee/ranged attack nearby
That would be broken
lime mantle
(For the record, I play and will continue to play warrior because I just don't like the other specs and I do agree that it is a big cringe that a tank randomly shows up doing DPS level damage because it has "No Utility™️" so it should be allowed to do that, also even then, highest warrior playrate ever wasn't close to highest play rate of any other tank)
limpid ruin
Tbf tank meta for high keys will just be stricter from now on since gearing a alt is a million times easier and they all kinda play similar
charred ivy
do colossus play alot dif except dont spam IP and use more revenge?
mild river
do colossus play alot dif except dont spam IP and use more revenge?
You gotta try and see. It's slower, but fun
jagged gust
but yeah it's basically MT but slower and fewer TCs
frozen berry
Its revenge spam to force SS resets and only press TC to apply dot and if you run out of rage and nothing else to press
jagged gust
you still pretty much TC on CD
lime mantle
Tbf tank meta for high keys will just be stricter from now on since gearing a al...
My only issue is that blizzard's tank balance is incoherent.
They clearly aren't balancing for end game high keys but get upset for what amounts to incredibly niche spec usage.
Idk I think tank balance has just gotten increasingly more stupid since BFA to the point that it makes no sense, if there is more than 2-3 tanks being played at the turbo end game, a tank gets a massive buff so it becomes the only really viable class and chucks spec diversity into the trashbin.
frozen berry
They are balancing for raid, and because of rwf had prot warriors we did too much damage
charred ivy
how do u use demolish effectively then?
fickle crown
Is colossus dead now? Or still viable in M+?
frozen berry
On cooldown, ideally with avatar or shield wall
surreal lodge
how often are you guys switching between defensive stance and offensive stance during m+ and bosses?
lusty grotto
if youre playing correctly, it'll be at 10 stacks always
ideally with avatar + demo shout
fickle crown
Only on Tankbusters or big pulls am I switching to def stance
charred ivy
ah right avatar activate Wall now also then
lusty grotto
how often are you guys switching between defensive stance and offensive stance d...
never
we strictly dstance this exp
you can battle stance when off tanking in raid
or when doing low ass keys
fickle crown
I'm in battle stance 99% of the time running 10-12s lol
lusty grotto
fickle crown
Thats wrong info bro. You can definitely swap between the two, not on a GCD or anything
fickle crown
Theres no reason to be in defensive stance tho either
last pebble
yeah battle stance doesnt really add a lot of value for the value youre losing
fickle crown
You're already tanky AF
surreal lodge
not being in defensive stance at all is crazy
lusty grotto
youre telling me when i was the one telling people to stay in battle stance during DF
🤷♂️
weirdge
fickle crown
You can survive tank busters in 11s even in b stance
jagged gust
but like, do you have to?
last pebble
thats not the metric you should go by lol
stoic pilot
Yeah but objectively just dropping 16% dr to do 2% more damage is just not even worth min maxing
last pebble
just because you CAN do something doesnt mean you should
last pebble
😂
idk i just heard dorki say prot warr is dead after tomorrow so
confirmed streamers hate prot warr
fickle crown
Ok lil bro enjoy progging to 10s
lusty grotto
thanks
last pebble
yikes
lusty grotto
i will
onyx vessel
lusty grotto
¯_(ツ)_/¯
frozen berry
The guy probably thinks d stance nerfs damage by 10% still
stoic pilot
It’s weird they reworked dstance and just left battle stance tbh
Attack speed increase in bstance for more rage gen would be fun
mighty valley
it's still a little weird they brought back the stances at all
neon elk
Tbf they should buff bstance so it makes more sense to swap into and lose deff
river warren
heey question, im new to prot war, is there a way to macro def and battle stance? so i dont bind em separatly ?
pallid quiver
I think battle stance should increase execute damage by 500%
shut summit
stances should be deleted and we get diff talents
last pebble
I think battle stance should increase execute damage by 500%
500? 1000 at least
frozen berry
heey question, im new to prot war, is there a way to macro def and battle stance...
Yes, should be in the macros section
river warren
Yes, should be in the macros section
thanks
jagged gust
it's actually pinned
high parrot
I'm always rocking in d stance and still pumping with colossus, sad to see the nerfs though
last pebble
holy i just saw the pins 10-13% aoe nerf? thats hurts man
theres no way mountain thane is better now right?
mighty valley
it's more than 10% behind in aoe right now
high parrot
I doubt it mountain thane does significantly less from my experience
jagged gust
Completely closes the gap in ST, colo still better in aoe
last pebble
mmm got it
high parrot
in AOE *
last pebble
prot warr is the only tank im enjoying right now, usually i play all but i hate rolling fotm vdh and prot pally feels like a wet piece of paper
high parrot
Dude same lol I tried both and I can't stand it
last pebble
damage taken difference between prot pally and prot warrior is insanely significant
cerulean tusk
Try BDK, giga dam and you dont need to worry about the healer
last pebble
yeah i do like bdk a lot theyre just subjective on pull and have to play much tighter
high parrot
I'm thinking of going BDK tbh it looks insane
toxic pewter
Plus you never get nerfed
last pebble
ill be chillin on first pull in cinderbrew and then all of a sudden purg is popped instantly lol
lusty grotto
scroll up
toxic pewter
Especially now stances like what’s the point lol
lusty grotto
cerulean tusk
To be fair, APB is right twice a day
toxic pewter
lol
mighty valley
how're you feeling about haste these days, apb
cerulean tusk
Holey
toxic pewter
When he says good morning and good night
Even then I prob get the timezones wrong lmao
toxic pewter
how're you feeling about haste these days, apb
still say just do away with it lol. Like just bake haste into abilities so they feel good to press by default. Introduce newer cooler stats
Like why I gotta stack all this bullshit just to not feel like ass
mighty valley
it's cool when you can feel the effect of a stat though
abstract drum
stats are supposed to make your play feel better, thats literally the point
toxic pewter
lol
mighty valley
who's out here like "damn....... that's some nice versatility"
vestal wing
Is house of cards good for M+?
lusty grotto
yes
toxic pewter
I want one of those house of cards
lusty grotto
its pretty big for keys
lime mantle
who's out here like "damn....... that's some nice versatility"
PvPers.
Versa is a pvp stat.
Haste is a tank stat.
Crit is a dps stat.
Mastery is a healer stat.
Source: I made it the fuck up.
pallid quiver
good because resto sham is crying in a corner about that
slender bison
When Disrupting Shout buff? It's a PUG carry
neon elk
Make that shit baseline, slap 40sec cd on it and we guci
lime mantle
Make that shit baseline, slap 40sec cd on it and we guci
Utility™️
toxic pewter
Make that shit baseline, slap 40sec cd on it and we guci
it got nerfed when it was 1 min 15 sec cd no way its getting 40 sec cd
slender bison
It carries ToP necro trash and last boss ghosts, priory/cinder/dfc casters and it was king of necrotic wake
No guides mention it
toxic pewter
it's not really needed
neon elk
It can save a day that can be prevented or saved by tons of other stuff , just like ralying cry
slender bison
We don't talk about rallying cry. It's depresso
cerulean tusk
who's out here like "damn....... that's some nice versatility"
For Fury, it is close to 1:1 value as mastery. Is 3% less overall worth 12% damage reduction?
Well that is up to you to decide 
rotund marten
how do u play with thunderlord? do u always try and sync with demolish or do u use them separetly at some points?
mighty valley
? you don't usually run thunderlord's with colossus
rotund marten
i see some top warriors running with thunderlord
toxic pewter
rotund marten
its the demo shout cdr on thunder clap
jagged pier
ui press it on cd
toxic pewter
would say just take disrupting shout over TL as colossus if ur not gonna run show of force
mighty valley
are you thinking of crackling thunder
wide charm
swapping to crackling thunder was helpful for me for gathering because people in pugs are insane and start bombing the second you pull.
even if mobs are scattered all over the place
crisp crown
Weird question but, can we solo Sanctum of Domination? A raid from Shadowlands
slender bison
You can also intervene pre pull if you're in a pug with an insane zugger
wide charm
Would that save the nutty hunter's pets? o. O
1 heroic throw max range on a right pack as I pull a left and middle pack and they full send on the farthest mob and then are confused why their pet dies
prisma echo
Prot bros i post my log on log review chanell if anyone would be so kind to help it would mean world to me ❤️
slender bison
1 heroic throw max range on a right pack as I pull a left and middle pack and th...
Priory? 
mighty valley
Weird question but, can we solo Sanctum of Domination? A raid from Shadowlands
i'm not 100% positive but the only problem fight would've been kelthuzad and I THINK they fixed him to be soloable
oh and the big circles guy, same deal I think
jagged gust
yes you can, I just did it a couple days ago
crisp crown
aight cool
just wondering
how tf do i get to there? i cant mount in this place xd didnt play SL
nvm found a dog
warm plinth
nvm found a dog
You're just gonna take some poor guy's dog and ride it around? Smh
crisp crown
My dog now bruh
mighty valley
Prot bros i post my log on log review chanell if anyone would be so kind to help...
Two things I noticed... your overall casts are low and I think you're not pressing SS whenever it's available, which is reducing your rage income and your ability to spend on IP
Found another report with 20 higher overall CPM compared to you and it's almost all going to SS + IP
I'm also noticing that your average hit on Demolish is pretty low which makes me wonder if you're not getting to max stacks every time somehow? idk would have to dig in more to check
you're also overcapping a bit, try and stay on top of that
wary plaza
so if i dont have 4p now for prot doing the dmg im doing will i essientially revert the dmg loss from the nerf back mostly with 4p on?
i do about 1m overal in dungeons but im low geared
625
prisma echo
@mighty valley thanks for tips! I made big wa to click ss every time i need to get used to it. I think the overall change made that i could press demolish faster or even miss some it will come with few Keys when i will use to new ui. You write that my other log have more cpm to ss and ip is it good or bad (not bigger cpm but skills)
mighty valley
Oh I mean I was comparing to a log by a different player
More cpm is almost always better play when it comes to prot warrior haha
It means you're generating more rage
prisma echo
@mighty valley i also notice from my gameplay that i forget to rebuff rend with thunder is it big issue?
I tried to not click it at all other then start of pull
mighty valley
You should try and keep up rend yeah
prisma echo
Thanks for your time and tips 🙂
mighty valley
Good luck out there
vocal flame
Weird question but, can we solo Sanctum of Domination? A raid from Shadowlands
Yes I did season 1
vocal flame
Just don’t forget to jump platforms during sylvanas fight
neon elk
the plate tmog is sick af
If u talk about mythic one u can buy it in ah if u willing to spend few grands
bleak breach
so if i dont have 4p now for prot doing the dmg im doing will i essientially rev...
Na, 4pc will outweigh nerfs.
I gained about 200k dps from 4pc
dense remnant
the nerfs arent in on raidbots yet, right?
thin marten
how does one live the big MOMMA tankbuster in floodgate
just gotta shieldwall every one somehow?
assuming shield block does nothing for it
& spell reflect for 25% magic dr I guess
outer bronze
dno why we're getting nerfed, my dmg in a 10 ML is totally fine
mighty valley
that cowboy needs to be larger
outer bronze
Littlecowboy
mighty valley
how does one live the big MOMMA tankbuster in floodgate
spell block works against it too
neon elk
Also demoshout , last stand+ victory rush can help, ask for external, worst case scenario start timing your avatar for another SW but i dont think you need to do that ( idk key lvl) and it will bring your dps down a bit for sure
stiff gate
dno why we're getting nerfed, my dmg in a 10 ML is totally fine
well all 3 of your dps appear to be asleep at the wheel
idle copper
well all 3 of your dps appear to be asleep at the wheel
Id be chuffed if I joined a 10 and 2 of the group were pulling over 3 million. I've just done a 10 where the top DPS was 2.4 million
gray orchid
This was a rookery mythic +4 that I just did. Does my uptime for shield block and ignore pain look about right?
Also is there a way to track how much damage is blocked?
naive panther
I mean the first 10 top i timed first week dps was only at 2m
long bronze
This was a rookery mythic +4 that I just did. Does my uptime for shield block an...
no
naive panther
that shield block uptime is hella low
idle copper
Your shield block is really low
long bronze
your shield block is like 40% too low
idle copper
IP situational it'll vary a lot more but still looks low
gray orchid
I do not understand how I am supposed to get it higher. I am almost positive I am running it constantly in battle.
long bronze
you're not
gray orchid
Does the ignore pain look about right?
idle copper
Link talents
idle copper
Does the ignore pain look about right?
Not really but it's more situational
idle copper
Heavy repercussions
Enduring defense
Violent outburst
Champions Bulwark
gray orchid
I have all of them.
I do believe that data is skewed. There are times in between puls that I am not leaving combat.
Is there a way to track damage reduced due to block?
mighty valley
You’d need to log a key and we can see how many melees you’re actually blocking
outer bronze
Id be chuffed if I joined a 10 and 2 of the group were pulling over 3 million. I...
found some gamers in lfg
poor spriest
gray orchid
You’d need to log a key and we can see how many melees you’re actually blocking
I will get a mythic report tonight.
torn gulch
your shield block uptime needs to be ideally 100% or as closely to 100% as possible
anything under 90 is missing significant uptime
mighty valley
details uptime can be misleading but not usually THIS far off
but logs will reveal
gray orchid
details uptime can be misleading but not usually THIS far off
I will try to get some more data and play around with it some.
gray orchid
your shield block uptime needs to be ideally 100% or as closely to 100% as possi...
Yes sir!
modest glen
Can someone tell me what it means to keep an ability “on cooldown” like shield slam?
rigid yew
How good is this talent?
gray orchid
Can someone tell me what it means to keep an ability “on cooldown” like shield s...
If it is available to use, use it.
modest glen
So keeping something on cooldown doesnt mean wait to use it right? Jus hit it when its available all the time
warm plinth
Correct
gray orchid
So keeping something on cooldown doesnt mean wait to use it right? Jus hit it wh...
Basically. Obviously do not prioritize it over necessary defensive cooldowns.
modest glen
Maybe im jus stupid but feel like it shud be keep it off cooldown then if u never keepin it available lol
Confusin lingo
idle copper
<:ZOOMEReyes:721123810992062506> found some gamers in lfg
Honestly all my pugs feel like a slog vest. Fuckers are fighting with pillow hands
warm plinth
Off cooldown means it's available. On cooldown means it's not.
Keep it off cooldown would basically mean don't ever use it
rigid yew
Maybe im jus stupid but feel like it shud be keep it off cooldown then if u neve...
They're trying to instill the message to folks that Shield Slam is the GOAT. It's super duper awesome.
kind urchin
I have all of them.
I do believe that data is skewed. There are times in betwe...
You're definitely not running heavy repercussions. We can see your into the fray buff uptime in the picture.
rigid yew
In previous expansions, it was pretty cool and nice. But now it's god tier.
modest glen
Keep it off cooldown would basically mean don't ever use it
Mhmm think im just stupid lol
gray orchid
You're definitely not running heavy repercussions. We can see your into the fra...
Lol! Not that one I just switched it thank you 🤣🤣
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remote anchor
try win shift s
idle copper
Yes sir!
Your shield slam uptime seems really low as well. You should be pressing that on CD otherwise your gimping your rage
rigid yew
idle copper
Lol! Not that one I just switched it thank you 🤣🤣
You don't have Anger Management??
warm plinth
There's a lot to be concerned about in that image. 8.2% avatar uptime is insanity. Not having AM is insanity.
gray orchid
What can I remove to pick up anger management?
idle copper
Literally anything
remote anchor
go to wowhead and get a build
idle copper
You want Brutal Vitality as well.
As other chap said, go to wowhead and pick the m+ build
You don't have spell reflect either ??
gray orchid
You don't have spell reflect either ??
No I do not.
hardy snow
What can I remove to pick up anger management?
there are builds in the FAQ #1269007003469090878 message
idle copper
No I do not.
Pretty sure if you ask any other class of tank what spell they'd want from Pwar they'd say Spell Reflect - it's super useful
gray orchid
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toxic pewter
just use the wowhead/icy veins build.. lol.. wat in the world
cyan bronze
tough as nails enjoyer detected
fair beacon
aw man, did colossus get gutted?
toxic pewter
no not really
idle copper
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...enduring defense
Honestly pick the m+ build on wowhead.
Id spend a bit of time and read some guide watch Quassi PWarr vid
It'll help you understand the value of a lot of the talents you seemed to want to skip
hardy snow
...enduring defense
Honestly pick the m+ build on wowhead.
Id spend a bit of tim...
I dont know if it got better this season, but after his S1 video on Pwarr, I would suggest not to recommend Quazi's video about our spec.
It's better to read guide on wowhead or icy-veins.
undone beacon
I thought we were swapping to thane in raids? Was I lied to?
Archon is showing 95% of mythic prot parses as Colossus
lusty grotto
shouldnt surprise you
most people run with whatever liquid ran
not what we know is better dps
strong forum
That being said
Colossus quickly gains a large advantage over thane once you add secondary targets
This raid has tons of it with a lot of cleave
lusty grotto
strong forum
With next resets nerf thane and colossus pure ST will be almost equal
However colossus still has the preferential dmg profile
fair beacon
so ... with the nerfs setting in, still colossus or thunderlord?
lusty grotto
I dont know if it got better this season, but after his S1 video on Pwarr, I wou...
i agree, at best watch quazii if youre a new player for routing, thats it
lofty warren
wowhead guides updated for trinket tuning?
thin marten
is battlescarred veteran cringe or based
looks really bad for a cheat death
idk what the wording for other cheat death mechanics are but can you just get your teeth kicked in from 40% to 0% and just not have it proc
or does it account for that
sudden lynx
i agree, at best watch quazii if youre a new player for routing, thats it
I like Quazii's stuff he looks at things pretty realistically from what Ive seen
Like I looked at his S2 warrior vid and I didnt notice anything particularly controversial
sudden lynx
is battlescarred veteran cringe or based
I like it
sudden lynx
idk what the wording for other cheat death mechanics are but can you just get yo...
Nah it'll proc
If I've understood you correctly lol
thin marten
it says "when your health is brought below 30%", but if it you go from like 40% to 3% in 1 hit then it's completely useless unless it somehow mitigates every damage you take below 30%
and idk what talent you could possibly drop for it
sudden lynx
Oh I haven't actually had a scenario like that happen
But I've never had it not proc when I'm low
sudden lynx
and idk what talent you could possibly drop for it
Indomitable is kind of mid
thin marten
everything that heals feels kinda weird because my hp is either 100% or way less than that
sudden lynx
This is from a few days ago but this is close to what im running now
Except I take into the fray and instigate over heavy repercussions and bloodsurge but I think everything else is the same
thin marten
is intervene just for random range shoot abilities
thin marten
I use it but I can't even tell if it's doing anything
sudden lynx
is intervene just for random range shoot abilities
Right now yeah, somethimes there are cool things to do with it but not so much this season
lusty grotto
its a very limited range
sudden lynx
Yeah you gotta be within like 10 yards or so
thin marten
I just intervene my healer on the first priory pulll
sudden lynx
Are you also staying close to the healer after? If not then it kinda doesn't do anything
thin marten
everyone tends to just stack for that pull
lusty grotto
if he runs away it also goes away
should be working then
those shots just dont hurt us
sudden lynx
Generally intervene is kinda whatever this season though
thin marten
what's the appeal of champion's spear, is it for damage or utility
I've just been running this but with intervene for priory
sudden lynx
Yeah thats fine
thin marten
is battering ram that good
sudden lynx
Its still fine as is if you cba
lusty grotto
with 4pc yes
sudden lynx
One talent point wont make or break you here until you get tier anyway
thin marten
I'm 658 with 4p, I've just been mindlessly farming priory and doing the occasional 10-12 with friends as a break
because I want this tome
sudden lynx
Then battering ram > indom yeah
lusty grotto
i did like 12 fucking keys today
sudden lynx
i **STILL** DONT HAVE IT
Me neither 😭
sudden lynx
is battering ram that good
Although if you want bsv you kinda gotta drop battering I think
valid spade
I actually got loot today. Useless 652 legs. Thanks
lusty grotto
id rather chill in monster hunter tbh
thin marten
whats bsv
valid spade
Battle scarred vet
lusty grotto
technically not a cheat
wooden robin
I was making peoples day running their 6-8 priory and floodgates farming
sudden lynx
technically not a cheat
Yada yada
wooden robin
No damn trinket
sudden lynx
I was making peoples day running their 6-8 priory and floodgates farming
Community service
thin marten
I've handed out like 4 priory dps trinkets
wooden robin
Truth lol
thin marten
might take BSV just for the first mechagon juicer pull
did a for fun 13 mechagon and was told to pull everything but can't block from every direction so I just evaporated
lusty grotto
you miss-typed cinderbrew there
thin marten
that too probably
lusty grotto
workshop is pretty chill
thin marten
at least shit's in front of you in that pull
it's just gathering the first pull
without turning your back to stuff so you can't block
have an ele shaman and a boomie who can't wait longer than 0.4 seconds without blasting
keen gate
lusty grotto
just tell them to hold threat
and if they die they die
thats how i do with my friends
they will learn fast
thin marten
gonna be the random prot paladin who stops to type at 20 WPM in a +4 key
🗣️ you pull it you tank it
keen gate
Have anyone theorycrafted the effect of the nerfs to colossus yet?
lusty grotto
yes its pinned
thin marten
is the appeal of champion spear another chunk of damage or the tether effect
lusty grotto
more damage than the utility
very useful in little pull dungeons like ToP which also has jumpy guys
lusty grotto
its no bueno as a gathering snap threat tool though so troar better on other dungeons besides ToP and Workshop
youd replace the entire troar nodes
with the entire spear 3-part nodes
keen gate
Found it, thanks
lusty grotto
thin marten
was just looking through archon and saw people playing roar with just uproar and then spear without the nodes under it
but people also play second wind which looks like an awful talent unless I'm misunderstanding something
cinder nova
Sample size is enormous and likely includes your average muppet.
Assuming optimal play based on the high point of a Bell Curve is not ideal.
toxic pewter
Spear without the 25% extra crit damage is wild
lusty grotto
was just looking through archon and saw people playing roar with just uproar and...
thats no bueno
dont blindly follow aggregators
thin marten
not following just wondering if they were onto something or just making shit up
thin marten
roar seems to be doing like 6-7% of my overall in dungeons, gonna try spear and see if it's cool
what dungeons have jumpies
just top?
lusty grotto
dont play spear in anything other than ToP and Workshop
lusty grotto
thin marten
alright I'll keep it in mind thanks
mighty valley
was just looking through archon and saw people playing roar with just uproar and...
the people on the raider.io front page are playing this, so people are likely copying it
but there’s like. no rationale at all lol
willow portal
man tier set feels so underwhelming this season
lusty grotto
🤔
thin marten
seems insane in m+
wooden robin
i mean shield wall procs alot
lusty grotto
feels like a 1guy
wooden robin
at least for me
smoky anvil
Tier set feels great
lusty grotto
so im just gonna assume its a 1guy
wooden robin
then taking battering ram
smoky anvil
Any is better than the nothingburger of last season.
valid spade
A what
smoky anvil
Overall, are the tier sets super cool and inspired? Eh. Still better than s1.
thin marten
2 questions, is it worth keeping track of Luck of the Draw with a weakaura
and where do I fit the [@cursor] condition in a macro which uses both Spear and roar depending on talent
#showtooltip
/cast [known:Thunderous Roar] Thunderous Roar
/cast [known:Champion's Spear] [@cursor] Champion's Spear
I don’t, it doesn’t really change your behavior at all
lusty grotto
```
#showtooltip
/cast [known:Thunderous Roar] Thunderous Roar
/cast [known:Cham...
use a comma after troar
thin marten
the spell choosing part works it just doesn't cast on cursor
comma or not
okay nvm got it
toxic pewter
is there any way to make it work with @ cursor
thin marten
yes here
#showtooltip
/cast [known:Thunderous Roar] Thunderous Roar
/cast [known:Champion's Spear, @cursor] Champion's Spear
thx
thin marten
I've seen commas after casts in macros and idk why or what it does
the intervene charge macro on wowhead has one and it doesn't even work for me
lusty grotto
its mostly for targetting conditionals
rich ember
What is the general damage difference between mountain thane and colossus in keys?
waxen quarry
would be funny
idk this tierset i dont even know what it does
gives me shield wall randomly
lusty grotto
its not about wall at all
shield charge cdr
and big SS crits
guaranteed, rather
lusty grotto
the wall part is a small part of it
torn gulch
yea battering ram uptime is insane with 4 set
waxen quarry
dw this nerf will kill us
i thought i wouldnt like colo
but it plays quite well i must say
waxen quarry
dead spec indeed
bro i swear i had like
7 mil ss
crit
with 649 mainhand and 610 shield
(i play dps mainly)
lusty grotto
blazing vale
Anyone having a hard time on 13's with collosus? I feel like Cinderbrew hits like a trunk if I don't run Thane.
south zealot
i have dn
lusty grotto
wats dn
wide charm
The big pulls of Cinderbrew are tough on a 12+ if your group isn't pumping you'll eventually just run out of cds
south zealot
idk i forgot the punchline
wide charm
Obviously make sure you aren't unnecessarily overlapping
south zealot
final sting moment
wide charm
That isn't even a big deal if you spell block it but
lusty grotto
myyyyyyyunnnn
wide charm
yea try to interrupt them cus they suck
south zealot
oh is it magic
wide charm
Problem pulls for me seem to just be the first couple and then the first 3 pull you do going into the big room for I'Pa
as long as you are aware spell block is useful in that last wing, it's no biggie
lusty grotto
first pull just chunks you with back hits and bleeds
totally dwarfable
and back hits preventable
just be dwarf ✅
wide charm
😦 But my Vulpera racial is sooo good 😮💨
sharp gale
Je suis gnome
lusty grotto
sharp gale
Will transform into dwarf Wednesday tho
(Already started praying for shield in vault 🙏 )
wide charm
You could be like me and have a myth track shield but 0 tier.
sharp gale
I have myth track cata shoulders and wep but no crafts / as said I did the split pug for my 1 tier piece missing
wide charm
3 weeks of full clears normal and heroic and 0 tier for me 😮
Hopefully vault, would be great
sharp gale
Just make the group and don’t invite people on your tier and make it 30 man
You will have your set on cauldron
wide charm
xP That's a way
sharp gale
In normal no one’s cares, just kick of the tag warriors, evokes monk and rogues so no one is suspecting you
karmic thunder
I just tried out prot warr, some delves + an m0, and I've noticed sometimes I'm VERY rage starved, like I have nothing to press at all to gen rage/fish for SS
playing demolish, any tips? :)
I've tried at dummies not using IP at all, and still get rage starved after ~50 seconds in :(
lusty grotto
press SS more
press SS with 4pc proc
press SS with outburst
use ravager
run instigate in low target counts
use TC when rend needs to be applied and/or are low on rage
and/or you need to fetch an SS reset
karmic thunder
press SS more
always do when the shiny button pops
only have 4p from last season
ravager pressed off cd
sharp gale
And try to fill rage to 40ish with some Thunderclap to have enough to double revenge for max gamba
lusty grotto
stop mindlessly spamming revenge
naive panther
bloodsurge>battering ram? sims higher
lusty grotto
and stop mindlessly spamming IP
lusty grotto
bloodsurge>battering ram? sims higher
what
karmic thunder
I didn't use IP at all 
lusty grotto
log something
and we can take a look, but youre obviously doing something very wrong
karmic thunder
alrighty will do tomorrow, but yeah absolutely I'm fucking up stuff
sharp gale
Against dummies your ip should fill bc outburst and brutal vitality
naive panther
high keys people taking bs over battering ram, I had used it for several keys as well, not sure why battering ram not being taken
lusty grotto
why bloodsurge over ram
naive panther
sims higher
naive panther
more rage more defensive value too
not on my war about to start a key or I would again
lusty grotto
0 damage sims more than some damage?
do you have 4pc?
that makes absolutely no sense
you only swap instigate for bloodsurge, not battering ram
and that's only if youre pulling gigantic
sims higher huh
small steeple
😦 But my Vulpera racial is sooo good 😮💨
not as good as dwarf
small steeple
run instigate in low target counts
just run instigate tbh. Rage in low target/st is more important due to lower gen
blazing vale
On Cinderbrew should I save a defensive for when the bees (the hallway before bee boss) die? I swear every time the dps blows them down all at once and just get one shot. I don’t feel like I have enough cooldowns to make it through that whole wing to manage the start of big pulls then need to pop at the very end too.
lusty grotto
On Cinderbrew should I save a defensive for when the bees (the hallway before be...
spell block
or shockwave
blazing vale
or shockwave
So if they’re CC’d when they’re low and begin to cast it won’t go off?
blazing vale
you can just do a stop
You’re the goat thank you. That hallway has just giving me trouble on anything above a 12. Timetable still but a headache.
sharp gale
I spell block the first ones and just eat with wall / try to stun the end of hallway ones
heavy sparrow
On Cinderbrew should I save a defensive for when the bees (the hallway before be...
I actually stance dance believe it or not in 11s
next pasture
is mythic torq supposed to one shot me through shield wall and SR? it was my first time taking the tank buster and i was not expecting that damage
shut summit
put up block
fossil wind
a day is all that separates us from a punishment for a crime we are innocent of. on the eve of our subjugation, i am forced to ask: will you ever stand up for yourself? how often can you dismiss injustice before the boot on your neck chokes your traitorous words before they leave your treasonous throat? if your voice is silent save for defending your oppressor and soothing your ego then perhaps the boot is right. the time has come, act now or be at peace a slave.
lusty grotto
indubitably
warm plinth
https://tenor.com/view/new-girl-schmidt-les-mis-leamos-les-miserables-gif-162639...
Is that Schmidt from New Girl lol
jagged gust
hell yeah it is
toxic pewter
My is he verbose
warm plinth
The second most flamboyant straight man in existence
lusty grotto
My is he verbose
you got it!
warm plinth
I have been watching old classic sci-fi/action movies that I hadn't seen yet
I watched Alien a couple weeks ago, and Predator this past weekend
lusty grotto
newest alien and newest predator are both pretty damn good
so be sure to watch those
warm plinth
Alien sucked tbh. The only good part was the special effects on the alien
toxic pewter
I haven’t seen alien Romulus yet
lusty grotto
its good
warm plinth
Predator was pretty good but it's hard not to like a movie with Arnold and Carl Weathers in it
Also I had no idea that's where the handshake meme came from
warm plinth
I think Alien was ruined partially by me expecting Ripley to have a much bigger role
And partially because the dialogue was insanely like...slow in a lot of the movie
like someone would say something and it would take an inordinate amount of time for the response
warm plinth
Yeah I plan on watching all of them
lilac bloom
in the heroic mugzee.. when he does the molten golden touch prot warriors running to the sides of the wall at the end getting stuned. IS there something i'm missing? because at the start i had my back to the wall then end up running to the side and getting stunned.. or should i not tank to the wall and let it knock me back to the wall instead
prisma crane
bro
just did a key with a holy priest, ended up leaving, told my hunter friend to learn to use defensives
(2 min CD used 19 times in under 38 min)
only possible to even use that many times because of the CDR affix lmao
people dying to regular ass mechanics
lusty grotto
Holy priests struggle in keys, that's part of why they are getting buffed
Make sure they are disc or REALLY GOOD
prisma crane
dude, guy straight up said people getting hit by avoidable stuff
meanwhile died 3x on 3rd boss in mech and it fell apart on last boss when he died to magnet EVERY time
200% buff cant fix stupid
lusty grotto
Yeah well spec is not disc and if they are bad it can have additive effects to their spec choice lol
prisma crane
yea, just wild
i legit had to look up if they just suck right now or not
but wasnt saying anything until they of all people starting blaming everyone else
called me a shit tank despite me never dying unless it was a full wipe on that last boss
lusty grotto
They always go for shit tank
prisma crane
started with saying no one used any defensives, and i just said "meanwhile, 80k hps"
lusty grotto
50 percent of the time, everytime
prisma crane
lmao yep
lusty grotto
Yeah but it's Monday so that's kind of the people that do last minute keys lol
lusty grotto
You lucked out
prisma crane
ive had lots of solid last minute ones, and like i said, i get it, i didnt even care if we failed, but holy shit, to just come out swinging as the source of the problem is just prime smooth brain
lusty grotto
Tbf I got 6 out o 8 portals for my Lil bro today so
I know it wasn't that bad
except a mage leaving on a timetable 11 ML
But yeah
prisma crane
yea monday isnt too bad, but i will say this, when you do RAID on Monday pugs you're just signing up for brain aneurisms
jagged gust
99
prisma crane
98
jagged gust
granted fyrakk raid was pretty easy overall but I had a few last minute monster heroic pugs
prisma crane
but yea, the whole 1x weekly lockout really cuts all talent early
that's fair, but that's also because it's everyone's alts going for that weapon
so its a biased pool
round cliff
maybe im just pugging wrong
jagged gust
true, plus it's hard for a raid to die when it's 50% pallys
round cliff
i just need to drop into 10s that arent mine
idgaf if i time it, i got the vault slot and its not my key
fuck U
jagged gust
People love that attitude, have fun and maybe it times, still vault slot tho
round cliff
my own key will be saved for guildies
prisma crane
but they can also fall apart quickly
ALSO, the new non-deplete thing is BiS for this
jagged gust
i find those keys are more likely to fall apart from someone being self deprecating
prisma crane
which btw, what level does it start to kick in again?
jagged gust
like people seriously flagellate themselves when they fuck up a high key and they're new to pushing
prisma crane
i thought they dropped it from 12s but i guess that makes sense
gentle gate
Those who tank in m+ and dps in raid, what did you spend embellishments on? I went with waist and wrist and feel dumb for not crafting 2h, just felt bad at the moment to not get any benefit for mythics
gentle gate
Because I dps in raids
round cliff
o
prisma crane
i made shield and 1h
i got plenty of time to minmax crafting, i wanted biggest benefit now
gentle gate
Yea i prob should've made 2hander first then went with that
round cliff
hot take
ur 1 weapon upgrade isnt gonna make or break the raid
expect others to do it, then get lazy urself
greed ur own crafts
gentle gate
True, I'm in a casual aotc guild (top dps in every fight + get pi lel) so it doesn't matter too much just is frustrating not being optimal
round cliff
i optimize my time spent playing this game
(as little as i can)
so imma make weapon so i can do more dps now and alt+f4 sooner
naive panther
in sims signet is beating tome in multi target, and yes I am using the custom apl, so don't use tome in m+?
round cliff
in sims signet is beating tome in multi target, and yes I am using the custom ap...
tome is literally the best trinket for m+
and signet is ungodly bad and getting worse
idk what ur doing but its sus
naive panther
hmm, dunno. patchwerk sims with buffs and without buffs, with varying durations and target count
4+ targets signet is beating tome
jagged gust
thats not cool, I just sold all my old trinkets
mighty valley
are you simming signet after the 80% nerf
are you thinking of sigil
novel spoke
does anyone know if feral has some kinda high threat generating attacks? I ran a mythic and my feral died 3 times to melees during the dungeon. We had 3 melee dps but it was always the feral getting whacked in the instances I lost aggro. I understand I need to improve my ability to manage threat, but I want to know if there were any other possible factors in play that I should be aware of.
novel spoke
word
mighty valley
the feral was probably not targeting the prio target and everyone else was
novel spoke
yeah i know i'm at fault
are there any talents I could/should swap in to better manage?
i just copy what the #1 prot warrior has
mighty valley
are there any talents I could/should swap in to better manage?
what level of keys are you doing?
thunderlord is kind of ass on colossus
novel spoke
this was an 11
vital vale
can take ravager instead
for this range at least
also I don't think you need fear shout, you took kick shout anyway. might as well swap fear for the 30 increased rage cap
also the radius increase on thunder clap is only relevant for the first 0.5 seconds of a pull
Shockwave cdr would give you more value throughout a dungeon imo
the problem with taking talent of n1 player when you're doing 11s is, he is taking talents he needs to survive in a 15-16 environment
and for you, they do nothing
so he needs the extra slow on thunder clap, or the cdr on demo shout, you don't
restive oak
do i open in prot until i get a mythic tome? lol
toxic pewter
Can’t hurt to get a myth shield if you don’t have one yet
restive oak
i already have crafted shield weapon and like mythic pacemaker and signet
its literally for tome pretty much :p
toxic pewter
Hmmm I think they say the tome is better
restive oak
it is
toxic pewter
I’m opening prot myself for tome and myth shield
restive oak
only reason i'd open arms is random dps playing really
toxic pewter
Can also still get house of cards trinket I want in prot too
restive oak
pretty sure you can get most if not all of the good dps trinks as prot
restive oak
i did get plating in last vault, but pacemaker there too, so whatevs :p]
wet void
so mythic carnage..even with defensives...that thunder bash after 2nd clash is nailing me for 4.6m dmg
jagged gust
So like, a third of your health?
obtuse egret
The nerf is actually 15% in aoe? I thought it was only 5%
wet void
So like, a third of your health?
yeah a third..easy
toxic pewter
Meanwhile bdk’s death striking entire packs LOL
But a revenge or two hitting a bit hard entire community riots
cerulean tusk
Problem is most BDKs don't do damage. After I play BDK it is quite common to be asked how I did that much dam.
Hard to riot about something you dont see
tulip oar
I find the only way ppl pull mobs off me is if they hit em with everything before I can even group them up. That might be why the feral died.
onyx vessel
Prot actually not bad this season to open as
Opens vault for plat plating red button and some other shit trinket 
toxic pewter
Yeah can’t deny there are awful prot things too hmm
onyx vessel
Just as many as dps but im going in as fury loot spec cuz I crafted a shield and don't wanna see one drop
tulip oar
Mythic Aionized bracers? 
bleak breach
Hi ho, hi ho, back to mountain thane we go
onyx vessel
Maybe
tulip oar
So we do less damage, but survive so much more.
wet void
so basic question..at what ilvl would ya'll recommend attempting to tank mythic undermine?
proven kite
what happened to boost the nerf from 5% aoe like you said initially to this?
wet void
I'm trying to make sure i'm not in over my head here
south goblet
if your asking here, get to 660+
bleak breach
so basic question..at what ilvl would ya'll recommend attempting to tank mythic ...
655ish
wet void
lol i'm tanking in there atm at 648
bleak breach
If you play punish build and play d stance could go anywhere above 650
Your healers will tell you if there is an issue.
wet void
yeah for my build i'm just using what's on wowhead 😦
toxic pewter
Will be fine but yeah prob won’t get into into any +12 or higher even moreso now
round cliff
time to switch to vdh
toxic pewter
The utility situation has created many consecutive seasons of paladin vdh dominance
jolly swift
12% nerf was more then i saw earlier sadge
tulip oar
If we had a free point to grab disrupting shout, it would go a long way. We just seem to lack any ability to go back for stuff though.
round cliff
If we had a free point to grab disrupting shout, it would go a long way. We just...
is dropping intervene enough? idk where it is in the tree
intervene worthless
i drop intervene for something else i forget what
toxic pewter
certainly not interrupts right
Vdh are in Meta form more than ever, sigil utility is still insane, 3% magic dam buff still insane after nerf, just incredibly tanky inside meta and now outside of meta they are stronger than they’ve ever been too
tulip oar
Intervene is class tree not Prot tree
bleak breach
Sigils are op
Without our damage point of diff we had we will fall right off.
Unsure of how much the nerf will hurt us with BV, time will tell.
toxic pewter
We still will be doing prob some of the best tank damage
But people’s minds are so encapsulated by utility situation
Even though we still do have some strengths. We have the 25 sec cd shockwave knock up which is actually very underrated in my opinion
No one talks about it but I find it very helpful
tulip oar
The knock up at least keeps it from being DR'd
toxic pewter
Ya
That’s what makes it actually very useful
Disrupting shout has grown on me too since I played it more today
Losing show of force it get it is not great but screw it add it on top of the nerfs
tulip oar
What do you give up for it though?
toxic pewter
Drop show of force
tulip oar
Oh, that's a big hit to damage
toxic pewter
With the nerfs it’s like show of force never existed in my head
Just add it in with the nerf
tulip oar
That's easily another ~5% dps loss though
vale escarp
How hard does the damage nerf Hit mt? Is it less than 15% in AoE?
toxic pewter
Not sure how much
slender bison
Guess we'll soon start to scrap for utilities like Hamstring
mighty valley
How hard does the damage nerf Hit mt? Is it less than 15% in AoE?
it barely hits MT, most of the nerfs are to revenge
toxic pewter
Mt basically staying the same. But sort of getting buffed in the sense that colossus is getting weaker
vale escarp
Nvm, MT get's a 5% SS buff while Prot get a 5% nerf, so it should be the same?
mighty valley
yeah, revenge is barely any of MT's damage
vale escarp
That revenge changes are Hero Tree only changes
vapid tide
so what i'm reading is just go MT?
slender bison
intervene worthless
It's good when agroless trash attacks your clothies and you need a 3rd charge for escaping swirlies
toxic pewter
Colossus will still be doing more damage than thane I think
bleak breach
so what i'm reading is just go MT?
Not sure how far behind MT was.
mighty valley
so what i'm reading is just go MT?
colossus was more than 10% ahead in m+ damage
vapid tide
even after the nerfs?
mighty valley
i'm saying it's more than 10% ahead right now and the nerfs are ~10% ish
vapid tide
so wouldn't that even them out?
frozen rose
other tank in my guild is considering re-rolling to something else, we're like mid raid tier on mythic right now. What are the benefits to prot war for one armed bandit and onwards? Obviously leap is nice for some mechanics...dropping off puddles on one armed....getting rid of gold knuckles, etc
theres a lot of prot wars being used on the end game tier. think it's mostly due to good dmg ya? I realize most guilds this isn't really a factor in chosing your tank
south goblet
prot war in this raid is amost and unkillable god
mighty valley
other tank in my guild is considering re-rolling to something else, we're like m...
prot warrior is very sturdy and our single target damage is barely changing
south goblet
they didnt bring war for its dmg
slender bison
Has anyone seen any aggregate data on M+ comparing colossus to rest of the tanks damage? What's the difference to justify these nerfs? It ain't PvP folks
mighty valley
also your raid tank spec will barely ever matter and slowing down to regear/relearn is almost always foolish for a non-rwf guild
(unless it's a tier where you need bdk grips)
slender bison
They want MDI with VDH only again since they're fast any people get bored watching BDKs pull?
slender bison
they didnt bring war for its dmg
For its rallying cry? 🤧
south goblet
ah yes the great rally cry
i cant wait for the tier set that buffs raly into relevence
slender bison
"Your rallying cry now fears enemies for 4 seconds"
That will make you avoid the set
bleak breach
Colossus will still be doing more damage than thane I think
Might change to MT for ST and Colossus for aoe.
I’ll have to run some sims now, nerfs were more hefty then I thought.
south goblet
ngl if they would just buff it to 20% outside raid id acutally consider it as util for dungeons
vapid tide
is there a reason warriors never got a lust? seems in class fantasy to rally your team
mighty valley
they've never given any tank class lust
south goblet
id be happy with replaceing rally cry with a brez
vapid tide
id be happy with replaceing rally cry with a brez
just yelling at their dead body to get up lol
south goblet
we will never see a tank with lust, puts to much value into the tank slot
south goblet
just yelling at their dead body to get up lol
yes my rage scares there souls back to there body
slender bison
we will never see a tank with lust, puts to much value into the tank slot
Yes, but it would fix healer/dps discrimination once and for all
south goblet
it would but then brew is stil forver shafted
vapid tide
eh, some tanks having lust would just allow for new team comps
south goblet
i mena what does it even open up that woudl matter
all lock/pally squad with a war tank
vapid tide
it would probably make the pugging scene a little healthier
south goblet
its hard as is to get a comp that doesnt have a lust
i find my self haveing a harder time finding a brez tbh
slender bison
Imagine rsham getting a 5 % heal next patch. Druids are barely getting invites today. Disc would go away again. It's S1 all over again
Tanks having BL would fix pug comps
vapid tide
Imagine rsham getting a 5 % heal next patch. Druids are barely getting invites t...
really? i thought rdruid was popping
jagged gust
Their 4p is pretty big
slender bison
All Europe pug 10s want discs, unless the druid is giga geared
south goblet
ngl i feel safest with druid heals. as long as you live long enough for them to ramp you wont die
slender bison
And they invite rsham only for BL
south goblet
and war is build to survive for 8 secs min
urban bane
disc priests are sussy af
jagged gust
Ring+cocoon, fistweavers are always welcome in my groups
urban bane
dont forget phys dam buff
slender bison
Disc priest who put PS on you before damage allows you to giga pull. But most discs are keeping CDs for next dungeon
toxic pewter
Them giving dragons lust over us and paladins brez still two of the most dumb decisions blizz made in wow’s history. I’ll go to my grave believing this and nothing anyone says will change my mind.
tulip oar
Has anyone seen any aggregate data on M+ comparing colossus to rest of the tanks...
It's getting nerfed because I can do more dps as a tank than some dps classes. 11 Priory I was 3rd overall and extremely close to the 2nd dps.
slender bison
It's getting nerfed because I can do more dps as a tank than some dps classes. 1...
This is a meme, no? You wouldn't even time it if a DPS is below you. Was the 4th place DPS a paid actor?
tulip oar
No, it's not a meme.
slender bison
Sounds more like you play above average as a tank and the DPS still learning its rotation.
tulip oar
I'm sure the 3rd dps was a lame egg, no doubt there.
slender bison
Wowhead Mountain Thane cons is funny ngl
tulip oar
I mean, that's what Blizzard thought was the problem.
mighty valley
Them giving dragons lust over us and paladins brez still two of the most dumb de...
you really can’t think of any worse decisions in the past 20 years than giving paladins a resurrection ability?
mighty valley
Two tank specs already had battle resses, adding a third wasn’t exactly earth shattering