so i had someone complain tonight about me not being defensed capped...in TWW...i didn't even know that was still a thing
#protection
wet void
steep condor
Hmm I tend to cast on cooldown. I need to think about this.
sharp gale
cast demolish on the second boss of floodgate, i targeted the one who jumped, she jumps mid cast, cry
steep condor
*cast demolish on the second boss of floodgate, i targeted the one who jumped, s...
This is me
untold isle
just check the intermediate routes here, should give you an idea https://raider.io/weekly-routes
jagged gust
Theatre of pain, that second* boss knows the CD of demolish and insists on jumped whenever I cast it
steep condor
Thanks!
unborn island
It's heavy burst DPS on thins which need to die quickly I think
errant wagon
So just ran a +12 priory, and looking for advice on the first boss Captain Dailcry.
HIs move Pierce Armor, TRUCKS SO HARD. I was rotating a shield wall, demoralizating shout, last stand, etc one for each. I still can't keep up, he does the move so often. I was incredibly close to dying twice, but I had a Disc priest who could coordinate pain supress with me + my health potion to keep it going.
Is there a trick to that boss I am not aware about? Differnent build rec? Any advice welcome
wet void
Is defense cap really still a thing? and if so where do i see it?
errant wagon
😂
unborn island
I think with healer pushing buttons and rotating your cd's that's basically all you can do
Unless race change to dwarf/bring an evoker for cauterize
errant wagon
Oh good point, didn't think about dwarf+evoker.
ok good to know I'm not insane though
unborn island
It obviously requires sensible play from the tank, but once that barrier is cleared it's a healer boss 🙂
errant wagon
Yeah, makes sense. We did make do, ilvl will help I guess. sitting right at 658 so got some room to go
thanks for the advice
cerulean tusk
Alternatively you can just gigapull. Then reduce and/or adjust packs chosen if you see troubles appear
It is a bigger risk forming a bad habit when you will pull to little than too much 
unborn island
I tanked it on 13 at 658 last night and managed it (key went in the shitter after, but we got past that) hp was like a yo-yo but I think there's not a tonne of other group damage so healer can go full ham on you
Once we are all 670+ it's going to be a piece of cake I think
errant wagon
yeee amen
unborn island
Should also clarify, I'm not very good, so you're probably better than me as well 🙂
cerulean tusk
660 and 12/13 feels very doable. Ye it will be a breeze
ionic fern
So just ran a +12 priory, and looking for advice on the first boss Captain Dailc...
Honestly,spend most of your rage on IP. It helps a ton.
It's especially easy if you go MT in there. (Not needed tho).
unborn island
MT in a dungeon with all those juicy pulls? NEVER
errant wagon
ha, my greeeeeed
but yeah I probably am muscle memory clicking revenge even when I should be saving, I'll peek at logs
I got a few 12's timed but Priory did our team in, difficulty jumped up a bit there lol
cerulean tusk
So just ran a +12 priory, and looking for advice on the first boss Captain Dailc...
On 12/13 I have no issues. Just make sure to have SR or Spell block ready for the judgment. Then make sure to have a wall running for the overlap of judge+ pierce.
Then you should be 100% safe
errant wagon
Ok thank you that is another good tip. I wasn't paying much mind to the judgement
I have that to work on. Thanks 🙏
cerulean tusk
It is the spike dam amp, the real tank danger
unborn island
I got a few 12's timed but Priory did our team in, difficulty jumped up a bit th...
I imagine it will get further nerfed, it's still much harder than the others (although tbh I think closer to some of the S1 dungeons, it's just the others this season are quite easy IMO)
errant wagon
beyond the shooters and 1st boss I have no issue
but they are enough to ruin keys rn
cerulean tusk
Shooters is an issue?
errant wagon
in some runs doing big hero first pulls
and just the shooters all trucking a single target lol
Perhaps that's a mistake too tho
cerulean tusk
Hm, if so, in 12, you can nuke down the knight before you go for the mini boss. Plenty of time, as the spear bleed is deadly
Rest of the shooter pulls they ain't an issue if ppl stop spell casts
wet void
hmmm ok
vast fjord
Do you guys think we're seeing a Thane comeback with the changes to the aoe ramp?
sharp gale
Is defense cap really still a thing? and if so where do i see it?
If you talk about armor cap it’s just a Druid bear topic if I remember (idk if it’s still current)
wet void
I have no idea..was doing mythic Carnage and some of the puggers compalined saying I wasn't defense capped..and i'm like uh..huh?
sharp gale
What was going wrong ?
Bc I’m « uh…huh? » too
(Meh fight as tank btw I hate the Dino not really moving)
unborn island
I have no idea..was doing mythic Carnage and some of the puggers compalined sayi...
I haven't heard about defence caps since like...WOTLK when you needed to be crit immune
round thicket
Hey could you help me ? My plan is not to push but do +10 only, could i know if craft Shield + craft weapon 675 are better than all other raid HC items 6/6 ? Cause i don't plan to do mythic raid. and i want items for the best DPS in prot. Do you think 675 craft are better than empowered items 6/6 HC in raid ? Thx guys
jagged gust
ilvl on shield is defensively the best bang for your buck, weapon is the same offensively
sometimes items with procs punch above their weight class, it's up to the sims to say for sure
round thicket
so weapon craft is the best 675. and for shield also ?
unborn island
Yeah, the shield is the best
cerulean tusk
so weapon craft is the best 675. and for shield also ?
Shield first, dont let anyone else tell you otherwise. I will slap them
After that, you can do a lot more flex. But with the best possible shield, you are 90% of your way to be the best version of you
wet void
honesstly following which site for BiS items? i've found didfferent sites have different answers lool
unborn island
If you're running 10s you'll also get a flow of mythic track gear
So don't just go full send on upgrading your heroic stuff
cerulean tusk
honesstly following which site for BiS items? i've found didfferent sites have d...
Personally I would put more weight on WoWhead, it is written by Nome. Nome shares my views on what is important and not, to the most part.
wet void
wowhead is what i've been following so far
nerfs havent hit yet, come on
sharp gale
wednesday i'll see myself (i'll start to push)
unborn island
12s/13s?
cerulean tusk
13/14s
unborn island
I think we have similar score and I just get chain declined as well, just need to do own keys, sadge.
Same as last season though, we aren't paladin/VDH, so people just lol at us
I play late night, rather than during the day, but I'm finding similar.
cerulean tusk
I wont complain, prob just better options to pick from. I do get into groups.
Just is different from 2 weeks ago
The ultimate DPS breakdown
valid spade
Good morning prot warr enjoyers. I seem to have all the haste in the world, is there reminiscing returns on it? Should I swap at a certain value?
wet void
I still have a ton to learn
valid spade
Lmao auto correct... Diminishing.... Not reminiscing
sharp gale
Good morning prot warr enjoyers. I seem to have all the haste in the world, is t...
you need a computer brain to know so we usually sim
valid spade
Ok I'll have a play about.
cerulean tusk
Step 1) Always face the enemy
Step 2) Keep shield block always up
Step 3) ???
Step 4) Title
valid spade
@vast fjord I tried thrane on one armed bandit heroic last night, Its great and helps survivability I feel but the damage is less. Maybe when the changes come in and shield slam hits a bit more on the proc but I think its still colossus for DPS pushing and thrane if you need survivability. However this is just my feelings
onyx vessel
cerulean tusk
Thane bigus executos
valid spade
I'm too old to press the flashing buttons
Wasting sudden death procs
Or whatever the fuck execute is called for us
cerulean tusk
Execute
mild river
That's my life. Just need 2 more keys done for 3k IO and i'm done. Not gonna suffer another season of declinings.
mild river
It helps i don't have a group. I live in Europe so when i'm playing ppl in US are sleeping and vice-versa. So i'm fucked 😛
cerulean tusk
Not going to lie tho, I am starting to feel the same. The que simulator is getting real old
mild river
Once you reach 13s, no more invites. Just pink/purple power
mild river
lol
cerulean tusk
We only bring zugzug, and our zugzug became zugzu
unborn island
The void monstrosities in Rookery at the end
They obviously get a stacking buff if you pull loads of smalls with them
When does it become a problem? I got flamed last night for not just pulling all of the civilians onto it
But I was thinking it having +160% damage would be, like, bad
cerulean tusk
This is what I do, I kill the smallies before I start pulling the big guys. After pulling, I wait for the 2nd exo cast to go off, then pull in smallies to be killed off without buffing it before the next set of exo's.
Chaining the packs like that allow you to be quite AoE efficent, yet be safe, as the mob isnt buffed to a skyhigh level.
unborn island
Yeah, that's what I did, the flaming was because I didn't pull all the smallies on the side into the big dude 🙂
Called me trash when I said I didn't want to buff the mob to jesus
neon elk
Im starting to feel some items doesnt exist despite them bein in loottable
unborn island
Know pugs are just ass, but wondered if it might have been just...fine in a 12, my assumption was it would not 🙂
glad jacinth
We still using priory and floodgate trinkets?
unborn island
I am, yes
opal vale
last boss rookery I heard you can dodge Oblivion wave with position and leap, anyone managed it? seemed to get hit everytime when I tried
copper bane
I just walk around it, you can hit him from pretty far away
pallid quiver
yeah you can literally walk around the wave
don't even need a speed buff or anything
leap just makes it comfier or allows you to dodge having to waltz through a puddle
you can also just spell block it and pretty much take 0 damage, as well
sharp gale
Know pugs are just ass, but wondered if it might have been just...fine in a 12, ...
The good rio score / good people key lvl goes up every week so yeah people doing their 12s now are not the same dudes than last week and the week before
The Rio hell keeps growing along with the cutoffs
limber temple
On the Goldie Baronbottom Boss Fight, breaking barrels with the tank frontal. How are people doing that? A lot of guides suggest 2-1-1 or 2-0-2 breaking but I got some grief last night from a group for not just breaking 1-1-1-1 with DPS doing it too.
Figured I might have missed something. What are people breaking at the moment?
sharp gale
I always aim at behind the desk and never explode more than the single 1 behind the desk, dps and healer job
If you break a barrel second cone, you extend the dot of the first dps break
leaden shore
is there a threat reset bug on Mug'Zee atm or why does random people get gunned down by his Goblin Gun at intermission had that issue last night that sometimes after he charge he just autoguns a random dps
sharp gale
is there a threat reset bug on Mug'Zee atm or why does random people get gunned ...
When he charge and spin ?
leaden shore
Yeah
sharp gale
He doesn’t melee when he spin so he doesn’t spin at all or it’s after his spin ?
leaden shore
After his last charge -> spin, he targets random dps and just 1 shots him
Like the aggro just resets
solid sun
Does the “rio hell” really continue to grow?
sharp gale
Yes because that’s what gear does
solid sun
I’d think at some point people would just stop going higher when groups fail all the time
All you need for gear is 10s right?
valid spade
Yea
sharp gale
After his last charge -> spin, he targets random dps and just 1 shots him
So it’s after the spin (I didn’t have an issue on the reclear so idk)
solid sun
I’m just responding to Happy
I find it surprising bad players would continue past 10 just because they get more gear when all they need are 10s and they would continue to mess up the higher keys
sharp gale
I meant gear nerf keys, so Rio hell goes up as people ilvls
strange lintel
for alot of people m+ is just a tool.
ive been doing 10s since week one but i dont go past it. waste of time for me since i just do it for raiding gear
might go to 12s eventually for the rewards or w.e
sharp gale
Like you can have 658 ilvl but stuck at 12s, at the end you have 20 more ilvl / 678 (let’s say it’s 20% more stuff) so you can do 14s as they were 12s
solid sun
Unless you’re bad and then you’re bricking keys, wasting your time, when you could just stick to 10s
sharp gale
So it would be 12s they do at max ilvl
solid sun
Like to be clear, I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, it’s just very surprising to me. They have to see they’re bricking these higher keys
sharp gale
Since 1 key lvl after 10 is 10% from the lvl before
solid sun
I hate it
unborn island
Oh I mean I don't like it when I brick keys
sharp gale
Unless you’re bad and then you’re bricking keys, wasting your time, when you cou...
And that’s exactly why I don’t push until I have everything I want from hero tracks on my war / I don’t waste my time pushing undergeared
unborn island
But I do enjoy doing them
solid sun
Some of the pulls people expect you to do in those keys just seem impossible to me
unborn island
When did the numbers on DMG nerfs change from 5%/2% to 10%-13%/5%?
solid sun
I’ll pull 4 packs at the lower courtyard in Priory and feel lucky if the group survives but then others are like, “if you wanna do higher keys you need to pull like these 6 packs”
Vibes instantly off
sharp gale
You can also try to do your 4 packs pull and not answer in /p if someone say anything
Like at the end in necrotic wake nobody in pug did the full first pull
Until 16s-17s
And for the first pack of priory I saw on my Druid (healer gaming) a tank who told us to hide at the entry left and he pulled 4-5 packs it went so fine
unborn island
3packs with mini boss :p
oak ivy
In regards to the resilient keys thing, if you intentionally lower your key below 12 or whatever level, say to a 10, and then that 10 is not timed, is that also "unbrickable" as far as your keystone goes
not prot related but Wow discord is ded so
like could I just feed my friends unlimited 10s and not have to do homework
young wasp
If you dont time it, it goes back to a 9
https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-resilient-keystone-achievements-prevent-keystones-from-dropping-levels-368251 I didn't see this, sorry
based on how it reads, it looks like it only applies to 12's and higher, it's designed specifically for people who want to push and cucking those who just do 10's for vault
oak ivy
phuck.
oak ivy
im in class rn and school wifi blocks anything even remotely game related so I can't open it to look 😭
neon elk
I still hate how that works and imo it doesnt solve all that much ..
young wasp
So on and so forth
neon elk
Like you time all 12s which are then useles to you , u go 13 u fail it and u are back at 12 , then u got unlimited chances at 12 to push back to 13 for your one chance only ..
young wasp
its mostly a safety net, like if you've proven you can do 14s, you shouldn't be forced to reclimb a 13 because someone in your group dc'd or inted or whatever
Like oh we barely didn't time that 14, lets run it back guys, then your internet proceeds to shit itself and now you'd have a 12 without the system type deal
oak ivy
It's a safety net for if the key gets fucked twice but if you brick your prog key you still gotta get it back
better than nothing
neon elk
Yea but still, u barely timed 14 u are now at 13 , completly different key, then u push it to 14 once again completly different key, and if everything goes smoothly u need to do that one " useles" key
solid sun
Since 10s are easier this season are they still being sold?
lusty grotto
probably
solid sun
Wouldn’t mind a good gold influx
remote anchor
yea but you make like 10k per run
sharp gale
Horrific vision goldmine in 1 month ahh
solid sun
How so
lusty grotto
yeah idk about those, there's no corruption system this time
so you cant really carry masks etc
sharp gale
How so
You know zekvir was 200k per kill when it filled the vault, people buy those things
lusty grotto
its just the enchants or embelishes if thay made them that way
solid sun
… 200k per kill?
lyric fern
You know zekvir was 200k per kill when it filled the vault, people buy those thi...
With how easy ? Is that's actually insane
lusty grotto
people will always buy
it doesnt matter how you personally consider it
difficulty is relative
sharp gale
Yes it doesn’t matter for the seller what the buyer wants
lyric fern
Yeah that's fair it's just odd to me
lusty grotto
understandable
lyric fern
Even my friends that don't do mythic 0s and only do lfr completely smoked him on ?
sharp gale
You can’t do a horrific vision but I can do it in 5 min with twilight devastation slaughtering everything ? What ? You are paying me 300k ???
lyric fern
Shit maybe I should sell underpin ? 
lyric fern
Wow
sharp gale
On those you are alone so it’s just for you (and the advertiser ofc)
remote anchor
yea but half of that goes to the advertisers
lyric fern
Still, decent gold if you aren't pulling in income elsewhere
sharp gale
If he can find someone willing to pay 200k for a delve he deserve half of it tbh
lyric fern
Real
hearty scarab
guys prot Warrior was in a bad condition compared to other tanks, it was not attractive, will it get worse after nerfs?
winged pawn
how tf are ppl so rich... i cant even get my stack above 10k 😂
sharp gale
how tf are ppl so rich... i cant even get my stack above 10k 😂
It is a self feeding thing + tokens + casuals
Boosters buys a lot of boost on their alts when meta change or smth
Casuals just have gold from their 20 hours / week of profession to get 100k gold of herbs
idle copper
guys prot Warrior was in a bad condition compared to other tanks, it was not att...
I think we are 4% of tanks in M+ , it'll like stay the same
steep condor
Alternatively you can just gigapull. Then reduce and/or adjust packs chosen if y...
This is embracing the zugzug - I will try to gigapull. It’s scary but sounds fun.
steep condor
how tf are ppl so rich... i cant even get my stack above 10k 😂
I made so much gold from boosting as tank in DF S2 that it lasted me until now (broke again). I’m not sure if the key boosting market is still there though.
lyric fern
guys prot Warrior was in a bad condition compared to other tanks, it was not att...
Damage nerfs are about 5% AOE or so, it's not the end of the world
Plus we haven't changed defensively, we'll be fine
hearty scarab
Damage nerfs are about 5% AOE or so, it's not the end of the world
Plus we haven...
It may seem like that to me but ,It is much harder to make the big scales that the demon hunter makes with the warrior and we are less tanky and less useful in big scales.
pseudo ledge
Damage nerfs are about 5% AOE or so, it's not the end of the world
Plus we haven...
ST nerf is also approx 5% from what I heard, can someone confirm
smoky anvil
Per Nom, ~2%
karmic plinth
the numbers are pinned
smoky anvil
We’re warriors, of course we can’t read.
sharp gale
I made so much gold from boosting as tank in DF S2 that it lasted me until now (...
I mostly raid boosts bc i have no fun in key boosts
lusty grotto
just sell raid boes
sharp gale
Joking with 13 or so other randoms for an hour is a blast
lusty grotto
made 800k on the weekend with a >> hero << mail leech helm
🙂
ez
i tagged funky and everything cause
lusty grotto
we didnt believe it would sell
cerulean tusk
I was stupid enough to believe in the power of logic
steep condor
I’m not good enough to sell anything anymore
I don’t even have curve and I lost my raid spot in my casual guild cos I couldn’t raid fir first 4 weeks of season.
lusty grotto
so what
i dont have aotc yet either
latest ive gotten it ever
should go down this next week anyway
my very casual guild just did normal reclears so we wasted some time
solid sun
I won’t get aotc for probably another 4 weeks I imagine
But I’m over 2600 io and that’s the fastest I’ve done that ever
torn gulch
guys prot Warrior was in a bad condition compared to other tanks, it was not att...
LOL
you re joking right?
lusty grotto
well guy didnt know he was asking one-tricks heh
hearty scarab
you re joking right?
Did you say that because you thought it was very good?
torn gulch
No I am saying that because outside of top 0.1% content warrior is very strong
and it's debatable even for top 0.1% content
lusty grotto
pretty evident
hearty scarab
I smell something too , I shouldn't ask some people for their opinions.
lusty grotto
this is not a tank meta discord
this is a prot warrior discord
read the room
you wanna get opinions on what people consider "good", get on those
torn gulch
I mean the opinion is that outside of 0.1% content warrior is very strong
and that is fact]
what don't you understand
lusty grotto
we're well aware VDH is very popular
and its bewildering that you have to come to a prot warrior discord to find out
so yeah hop on by fel hammer 🙂
hearty scarab
Anyway, I don't see any point in answering
lusty grotto
good, we dont want your answer, you sound bigoted already by mentioning chinese people
sharp gale
But prot would be attractive if war buff is attractive or spec giga broken which is never been the case since a while
lusty grotto
bye, dont let the door hit your ass on the way out
sharp gale
The Brez or something else ?
neon elk
Nah the speedy one
left beacon
Will the nerfs push prot towards mountainthane?
small steeple
What is the name of nitro boost for tww ? Or do people use old ones ?
its from wraith engineering
lusty grotto
Will the nerfs push prot towards mountainthane?
in keys? no
in st? depends on the fight
neon elk
So there isnt anything else and gotta do wotlk one, thanks guys
verbal venture
Do u know the name ? Kinda cant find it
lusty grotto
thats not what he asked
neon elk
Yea its probably the wotlk one, found that one , but wasnt sure if there is anything new or people still use that
sharp gale
Yea its probably the wotlk one, found that one , but wasnt sure if there is any...
I just found the wotlk one, a Reddit post saying for DF it was this one yeah
junior marten
Coming back to wow, and as warrior protection this time
damn we got a lot of CDs
It's hard to bind em all
neon elk
I just found the wotlk one, a Reddit post saying for DF it was this one yeah
But that one is for boots , ive found there is also one for belt, but cant find it realy
junior marten
Any tips for binding all those CDs ?
I feel like it's easy to bind them and forget several while playing
sharp gale
Any tips for binding all those CDs ?
If you played other games a lot, maybe bind on these (like I played league a lot so R is avatar ofc etc)
junior marten
If you played other games a lot, maybe bind on these (like I played league a lot...
Yeah but we're talking about something like 10 different defensive CDs
lusty grotto
3
wall being the main one
spell block
spell reflect
and SR as a bonus
thats it
junior marten
huh
lusty grotto
most tanks have around the same number of defensives anyway
sharp gale
Oh we have 4 cd def so Shift 3-4-5 and alt mouse button 5
Or shift button 5 I don’t remember my last stand keybind
toxic pewter
what in the world
sharp gale
People pay for x8 armor stack m0
toxic pewter
what in the world
sharp gale
Casuals who boosts boost m0s, very low keys and delves
toxic pewter
I have trade chat and that services chat turned off so i dont evenn see what people are trying to sell these days
junior marten
I binded several already
sharp gale
F1 etc are forbidden for my fingers health
vital vale
I was in the impression that those were all CDs
you're gonna be pressing ignore pain ALOT, so you should have it be binded to something easier
toxic pewter
yeh I do not understand how people reach f keys comfortably
sharp gale
yeh I do not understand how people reach f keys comfortably
Or crtl
junior marten
As I've said these are unbinded yet I've just put them on the bar
sharp gale
I have I think 1 or 2 crtl but it is never pressed abilities
junior marten
I usually use Function keys for other things
sharp gale
Basically you want keybinds that will not hurt your hand + accessible
sharp gale
Accessible means you can at all moment move your character (WASD)
young gyro
They changed all the old engineering things to be for belts only.
toxic pewter
just ask AI to assign the most optimal and efficient prot warrior keybinds ever and see what it tells you
vital vale
i use all 3 modifiers, ama
junior marten
just ask AI to assign the most optimal and efficient prot warrior keybinds ever ...
surefire way to make bad binds and have an incomplete answer
young gyro
parachute is still cloak
That is true.
steep condor
Yeah it's just a lot of buttons to map out
i have shield block on q and ignore pain on e .. i use an mmo mouse but only use 4 side buttons for my main attack spells
toxic pewter
surefire way to make bad binds and have an incomplete answer
lol I mean keybinds are ultra opinion-based anyway. if I told you my binds you would probably be like wtf are you thinking
dark barn
Buy a 12 lateral buttons mouse and experience a new level of gameplay. Everything will be comfy
vital vale
Buy a 12 lateral buttons mouse and experience a new level of gameplay. Everythin...
this
young gyro
But the old boots and belts things were all consolidated into the belt slot.
steep condor
Buy a 12 lateral buttons mouse and experience a new level of gameplay. Everythin...
I have one but have dropped back down to using only 4 of the buttons
junior marten
lol I mean keybinds are ultra opinion-based anyway. if I told you my binds you w...
Oh no I just mean that as the fact that AI can't really deal with precise things
oak ivy
I do use function buttons sometimes but only for infrequently pressed buttons
dark barn
I use all the 12. Its just better
sharp gale
I have one but have dropped back down to using only 4 of the buttons
Yeah at the end you want put the work on both hands but not too heavy on one
idle copper
Any tips for binding all those CDs ?
It's a muscle memory thing, just sit on the target dummies and think about what you are pressing
For things like interrupts and stuns I run through follower dungeons and practice my interrupts
junior marten
I'm used to interrupt on R on any game with such a mechanic
vital vale
I use all the 12. Its just better
i only use the front 9 in combat. the final 3 aren't easy enough to reach, I bind niche things to them like cast fishing rod etc
oak ivy
I'm used to interrupt on R on any game with such a mechanic
side button 1 on 12 button mouse
junior marten
Maybe it's wasting a precious spot though
idle copper
I use all the 12. Its just better
12s fine if you have trump like hands
My preference at the mo is the G502 and a tartarus
next axle
How much of a dps drop are this coming weeks tuning to Colossus going to make?
neon elk
Around 10%
idle copper
5% AoE, 2% ST
dark barn
I saw 5% nerf in this discord and 10% in pwar youtuber channel
dark barn
Not gonna lie. Was awful to pug raid because our damage is too high so majority of cotanks lose threat to us. Maybe the nerf actually helps this situatiom
sharp gale
I have aggro issue as bdk and co tank is bdk too, just sometime you don’t have the best co tank and in pug you never have the best co tank
junior marten
just for reference in case that happens, do I stop DPSing to let my cotank build aggro ?
sharp gale
If it happens only on pull
small steeple
Tell them to git gud scrub
sharp gale
Just take the boss first
small steeple
I always ripe threat away from my co-tank
toxic pewter
? stop dpsing? what am I reading
I never artifically lower my gameplay for anyone or any reason
small steeple
But he does really low damage, as a prot paladin, he parses like a 30. Meanwhile I'm in the 80-90s so not unexpected
sharp gale
I never artifically lower my gameplay for anyone or any reason
I have to on stix, it is driving me crazy a little bit
toxic pewter
If I rip threat, and it continues, I exit the raid
especially if they try to blame me
vital vale
gotta wait till other tank has 5 sunders
dark barn
I never artifically lower my gameplay for anyone or any reason
I literally changed to mountain thane to try to have a nice experience. The aggro steal wiped so many times (with like 4 different cotanks)
toxic pewter
If you ever artificially lower your own gameplay you have lost the plot
and you are actually a true victim and I feel sorry for you
dark barn
Its the heroic pug reality right now. Blame blizzard if we do twice the damage of most pug tanks
steep condor
There is no i in team 🙂
toxic pewter
Nah other tanks hold aggro just fine
its bad players that cannot
To call for nerfs to us that is wild
and I have seen it before
small steeple
If you ever artificially lower your own gameplay you have lost the plot
Thats what I say. If I keep pulling threat because the other tank isn't doing enough damage, its not my fault, and I shouldn't be blamed
dark barn
its bad players that cannot
Thats the majority of heroic pug tanks kk
junior marten
I'm all for not stopping, every damage helps beating a boss, especially in pugs
lusty grotto
Its the heroic pug reality right now. Blame blizzard if we do twice the damage o...
but we dont
toxic pewter
Thats what I say. If I keep pulling threat because the other tank isn't doing en...
Never give in never apologize for doing big dam and playing well
junior marten
but if it's the only reason we wipe might as well take the L
small steeple
Although the nerf is now 10% aoe? Nome originally said it was like 3%, then 5%.
dark barn
but we dont
I did. Pug heroic with several different tanks and you will see
steep condor
Never give in never apologize for doing big dam and playing well
I love this - i should learn from it 🙂
toxic pewter
but if it's the only reason we wipe might as well take the L
If you rip aggro it is not actually you that is the problem
The other tank has failed in their duties
I do not care what they have to do they must keep their aggro
small steeple
This was a fun kill. I ripped agro and got 3 Tank Busters on me in a row
lusty grotto
I did. Pug heroic with several different tanks and you will see
bad players, not classes
junior marten
To another prot too, lol
toxic pewter
if a tank cannot hold their aggro they are the lowest of the low in my eyes
junior marten
If you rip aggro it is not actually you that is the problem
What if you just out ilvl them tho ?
dark barn
The actual difference to a good prot war and bad tanks made pugs unplayable. I think is partially blizzard fault. The difference will always exist but the balance made it so huge that you just cant play without wiping for aggro
toxic pewter
What if you just out ilvl them tho ?
Obviously if theres a disparity in ilvl that is notable I mean come on. I am meaning in equal situations
dark barn
I changed to mountain thane and still wiped pugs with brew... prot paladin... dhs...
junior marten
Obviously if theres a disparity in ilvl that is notable I mean come on. I am mea...
yeah but in pugs you can't always choose that's what I mean
dark barn
Fun note: i didnt even had tier set
small steeple
Skill issue on their part
toxic pewter
yeah but in pugs you can't always choose that's what I mean
Then that pug may not be for you
junior marten
Then that pug may not be for you
So kick em aight
junior marten
I'm okay with no mercy
toxic pewter
but I will exit before I lower my gameplay personally
lusty grotto
just go next
small steeple
I'm okay with no mercy
I believe you mean
Gnomercy
dark barn
but I will exit before I lower my gameplay personally
Its your right. I advice you to not heroic pug in current situation. Odds are you will wipe for threat unless the tank is a big pumper
toxic pewter
All I do is heroic raid pug
dark barn
All I do is heroic raid pug
And you didnt had this issue? I had ALL the time
lusty grotto
youre replying to the wrong person
hes not asking about the situation
the other guy is
toxic pewter
And you didnt had this issue? I had ALL the time
Yeah all the time I bitch about ripping aggro. its like half my posts in here
dark barn
Feels sad man
toxic pewter
but its not my fault
toxic pewter
WE GOTTA DO BIG DAM
toxic pewter
I ripped aggro off another prot warr 2 days ago
dark barn
No. The difference is too high for some tanks. Its unstainable for bear and monk for example
toxic pewter
ive done h gally with a bear tank and he held aggro great I was using everything demolish and crap didnt rip once
dark barn
I have 95% parse with brewmaster on one arm bandit and was only 1.10M dps. Look at prot war numbers in this boss
dark barn
Ofc they will hitting 1.8M
dark barn
Okay bro. A 1.8M tank will not push aggro of a 1.1M tank. Okay. Okay
lusty grotto
but how is it you dont understand start of the season, he who has the higher ilvl weapon wins, gearing is still in place, and there are BAD TANKS GALORE
1ab -> coin buffs -> better weapon -> ez agro rip if capable player
hearty bloom
but how is it you dont understand start of the season, he who has the higher ilv...
I wonder why the nerfs came? 🙂
keen anvil
Guys I'm sitting at a lil over 20k haste unbuffed and getting into the diminishing returns. Should I drop my haste a little in favor for some more crit and mastery?
lusty grotto
I wonder why the nerfs came? 🙂
hes talking about 1ab
we're ahead in aoe
not in ST
if he was getting pushed out at 1.1m to 1.8m its because his weapon sucks ass
on a raid fight with some mild cleave
not hard to comprehend
lusty grotto
jesus fucking christ
small steeple
I burst single target start of pull at around 6m
hearty bloom
I burst single target start of pull at around 6m
same every 40sec burst
small steeple
Not quite every 40 sec because tr, SC, avatar DS and demolish don't really line up every 40s, a lil bittle longer
keen anvil
Pop avatar, prepot, demo shout and crit on last hit of demolition... can rip aggro very easily
small steeple
"Flashback to when I had a 10m demo crit last season"
lusty grotto
theres a lot of talking out of asses here
hearty bloom
Not quite every 40 sec because tr, SC, avatar DS and demolish don't really line ...
pretty close with thunderlord
lusty grotto
🤷♂️
dark barn
Just look at top parses of the world and you will see the same high difference. Some days ago i looked and the top brew did 1.2M and top war did 1.8M in one arm bandit. Blame the loot of the top guys in the world
small steeple
pretty close with thunderlord
Col doesn't take Thunderlord
viral garden
Is mountain thane still the go to for keystones?
lusty grotto
Just look at top parses of the world and you will see the same high difference. ...
werent you the guy that got queen ansurek ripped off last season?
i swear
i mean if its a consistent problem
idk
why are you even here if you play brew
like i get nish but nish doesnt bitch about prot balance
toxic pewter
Is mountain thane still the go to for keystones?
Can still play it for sure but right now most people playing colossus
dark barn
I dont think prot war high damage is a problem. I think some tanks are too low.
dark barn
Druid and dh too
lusty grotto
theres WAY MORE BAD AND UNDERGEARED TANKS
no DH does good, they just play the garbage ass fucking aldrachi
in high keys
that has no relevancy in raid
druid is also fine most play the scuffed ass elune instead of the superior dotc
they have 2 hero talent trees that do great damage, they chose not to use them due to prog
or w/e
lunar jackal
no DH does good, they just play the garbage ass fucking aldrachi
aldrachi has better design than felscarred imo. Sure u play FS in raid but from a design perspective, FS is ass
steep condor
you guys were complaining about someone wanting to discuss fotm tanking and here you are having a full on debate about emo tank 🙂 oh the irony.
lunar jackal
pressing meta as a dps cd is not good design but I guess it's ok to disagree XD
lunar jackal
Of course it is
lusty grotto
yes
i still like it
not your opinion
but FS
and thats my opinion
end of topic
moving on
broken cove
in raid do yall only use demolish on 10stacks? like the first one, do you wait using it until u got 10 stacks, or boss like Stix where u got downtime (cuz ball)
keen anvil
Kinda depends if your taking boss first or not?
neon elk
I send first one then on cd and thats usualy on 10stacks
neon elk
Like charge in do shield slam pop ava demo shout racial trinket and whatnot u have and pop demo
keen anvil
I popping demo off the rip with pre pot, avatar and demo shout for a big pull, especially if we are lusting
lusty grotto
also you cross your fingers and hope some balls picked up hyenas for more big dam
since they get that damage taken debuff
hearty bloom
We are in the best situation right now , only real tanks play warior tank
lusty grotto
solemn root
Do yall think we will switch back to mountain thane or continue with colossus?
frosty mango
Doubt we see thane overtake colossus for m+
Maybe pure st raid when you can get good execute uptime?
neon elk
In rookery before 2nd boss , how do you guys handle those 2 big guys doing their sucky suck spell? Just pray ppl pot defensives and healer can handle it or is there anything i can do to make it easier ?
lusty grotto
Do yall think we will switch back to mountain thane or continue with colossus?
no change
lusty grotto
In rookery before 2nd boss , how do you guys handle those 2 big guys doing the...
thats a healer and defensive problem
neon elk
Yea just wasnt sure if there is anything i can do to make it easier, people seem to strugle a lot there
lusty grotto
they can just play LoS, but thats ultimately not your problem as a tank
they'll still take damage
and do no damage, if they LoS it
neon elk
Ive seen groups pulling it with pack before and lusting but i dont think thats a good idea
lusty grotto
depends on lust timings
neon elk
Most likely lust will be ready there , i just dont think my pugs will live
solid sun
Pulling those two packs as one pull def seems like it’d be a lot more efficient than doing two pulls and then lusting the boss right
solid sun
Are you doing a big pull in the first boss arena and lusting
neon elk
And it will either make or break a key
solid sun
Or are you lusting the first boss
lusty grotto
its a short timer dungeon, lusting as early as possible is better
neon elk
I usualy lust first pull
lusty grotto
so that you have lusts for later in the key
neon elk
Then doublepack everything around 1st boss
solid sun
First pull after flying across?
unborn island
Then doublepack everything around 1st boss
Even the triple caster pack? Large PP if true
unborn island
Yeah I always do
neon elk
First pull after flying across?
First as in first , before flying
solid sun
Really? But that pack is so ez pz
lusty grotto
right side is a good triple to do, without the double caster pack
unborn island
Huh, I hadn't actually though about using those pillars
unborn island
right side is a good triple to do, without the double caster pack
Think this needs good soothes though, right?
neon elk
Its ez but if u do double packs later u dont need bl, so its faster bl timer
unborn island
Tbh, the bosses in there just take forever
neon elk
Yea boses are slug there
lusty grotto
Think this needs good soothes though, right?
nah
solid sun
Highest we’ve done is an 11 and we just lust the first boss
lusty grotto
g9 g12 g8
neon elk
Its 3 birds ?
lusty grotto
yes
solid sun
Which I get is bad to keep lust off cd that long but it seemed useful since the first boss lives for like a week
lusty grotto
riders are the ones that slap anyway
and there's only 2, as patrols in the entire room
neon elk
If those birds overlap their aoe its kinda gg i gues
lusty grotto
yeah well, not sync'ing them is key heh
unborn island
Yeah
lusty grotto
unless...
neon elk
Yea i take 2 at a time only
solid sun
If you’re going to triple on the right side are you lusting that?
unborn island
Triple is interesting, cos then I guess you can have a break pull, then do another triple on the left
lusty grotto
i usually lust first pull
neon elk
U dont wanna do triple without lust imo
lusty grotto
like Lommatik
unborn island
(left back and mid with the pack is the same as the triple?)
lusty grotto
i want the lust timer running as fast as possible
solid sun
lol so you hit a triple without lust
lusty grotto
yes
unborn island
Yeah I've never done these I normally just double everything
But it's an interesting thought experiment 🙂
lusty grotto
cds will be up for it
unborn island
I play with pugs, I imagine it's a guaranteed wipe if I try it, but nice to think about what I could do 🙂
neon elk
Yea i wouldnt do that with pugs realy
vocal flame
Best thing in pugs is when your INT is on CD and the dps just lets some random caster free cast forever
frosty mango
You can usually double pull the caster pack with rider if you’re playing with good dps but in pugs it’s a death sentence
junior marten
Best thing in pugs is when your INT is on CD and the dps just lets some random c...
you build INTelligence on warrior ?
frosty mango
Since those casters spam imo it’s a dps problem not a cc one - they need to die before you run out of cc
neon elk
One wipe breaks that key, ill rather do medicore pulls without deaths than risk whole key for like 30 sec gain
vocal flame
you build INTelligence on warrior ?
haha
vocal flame
One wipe breaks that key, ill rather do medicore pulls without deaths than risk ...
depends on what you are doing, that is a safe play unless you are looking to push like crazy, you can min max everything
but generally need a solid group with comms
there are exceptions tho
lusty grotto
the nerf isnt in
neon elk
But yea around 13% in aoe seems kinda right according to someones math
lusty grotto
its in the pins
neon elk
@lusty grotto where do u pop 2nd bl in rookery then ?
lusty grotto
<@131897531251556352> where do u pop 2nd bl in rookery then ?
whenever its up
i cant recall where specifically
i can get back to you on that
neon elk
Sure , as there are rather random packs that dont matter realy , and then i have it up either for 2 big guys or 2nd boss , and to me boss looks like better bl use, but those 2 make so much issues ..
round thicket
Could we have Mechano-Core amplifier trinket in vault if we chose Tank spec ?
dim quartz
HI ALL PROT WARRIORS
I'm new to tanking. If I want to be a gigachad, should I join the Prot Warriors? Or should I start with another tank after the nerf? I usually play high keys +14, +15, +16... Is it still okay after the nerfs?
junior marten
Could we have Mechano-Core amplifier trinket in vault if we chose Tank spec ?
https://www.wowhead.com/item=232485/mechano-core-amplifier
according to wowhead, yes
hearty bloom
I'm new to tanking. If I want to be a gigachad, should I join the Prot Warriors?...
real tanks play warior tank
wide charm
I'm new to tanking. If I want to be a gigachad, should I join the Prot Warriors?...
VDH, wars, and druids are on the front page atm --- Even post dmg nerfs they'll be perfectly viable
junior marten
Even druids ? My friend who's druid main told me they were bad
wide charm
pug perception probably still going to be really annoying
violet trellis
VDH, wars, and druids are on the front page atm --- Even post dmg nerfs they'll ...
Will they play mountain thane after the nerfs?
wide charm
I am not sure about that --- from little discussions I've caught in here it looks like no
lusty grotto
Will they play mountain thane after the nerfs?
no
crisp crown
the sharpshooters in PSF
lusty grotto
VDH, wars, and druids are on the front page atm --- Even post dmg nerfs they'll ...
druids ??
wide charm
I'm doing 12-13s atm just fine
but I also have 0 tier and a bad trinket xD
crisp crown
how do they jump? is it to players? ( the sharpshooters in PSF )
lusty grotto
hes a one-trick
he only plays druid
ever
just like most of us play prot warrior all the time
wide charm
mhm, I'm just saying they are viable. The best tank atm is VDH
lusty grotto
vegan isnt representative of tank numbers
prot paladin numbers are way higher than druids
round thicket
Best embelishment for pure dps AOE in m+ could be the : Writhing Armor Banding
/
Darkmoon Sigil: Ascension ??
lusty grotto
and vdh is just the meta pick
violet trellis
So colossus is the way to go even after the nerfs?
lusty grotto
Best embelishment for pure dps AOE in m+ could be the : Writhing Armor Banding
...
no
lusty grotto
So colossus is the way to go even after the nerfs?
yes
also best is debatable
meta does not always mean "best"
mighty valley
it's true that there are more prot paladins overall but they're barely represented in the top 200
lusty grotto
its best for their specific comps, sure
wide charm
I think it's pretty fair
They aren't meta because of bad perception imo
Silence, fear, chain sigil is wild utility
meanwhile all our CC puts stun in DR and is half duration
neon elk
If plan to pug those high keys u will have way easier time as ppal or vdh tho , compared to war and dudu
wide charm
^
hearty bloom
There is not much difference between warrior and dh
mighty valley
yeah if your number one only goal is to be a meta tank that gets picked for pugs, it's vdh no question
if you want to be cool and hot then stick around
wide charm
There is not much difference between warrior and dh
why do you say that?
I just continue playing prot warrior because the class is extremely fun
also the higher than usual apm is more engaging to me
hearty bloom
You wrote things like silence sgil, we also have talents aoe silence
wide charm
You wrote things like silence sgil, we also have talents aoe silence
I mean.... kinda, it sorta sucks. Especially compared to silence sigil
wide charm
Comp choice matters for sure
mighty valley
four second actual silence from range vs. melee interrupt
lusty grotto
and can be a little more forgiving
mighty valley
that you have to spend an awkward talent point on and basically give up your aoe taunt
sigil's a little better lol
wide charm
a little understatement but yes I agree 😛
You right @lusty grotto going back several pages I don't see any other druids xD oof
slender bison
The priory undead paladin holy dot in high keys hits like a truck through ignore pain. Does it need to be kited or healer needs to sweat here?
mighty valley
just goes to show the power of learning one thing inside and out
lusty grotto
pop cds
wide charm
I mean honestly if you have a ranged group I don't see why you wouldn't kite if you see the healer struggling
it hits wildly hard
lusty grotto
SR + Spell block do work on it
but spell block only works for the initial hit
stop saying IP
IP will not save you on tank busters
use wall
use your defensives
demo also works
slender bison
Got it
lusty grotto
punish also works
neon elk
Yea i pop everything there as u dont need it later in dung anyway, go completly dry
acoustic scarab
does SR not give you the dot?
slender bison
Demo shout works to any damage source, no?
lusty grotto
does SR not give you the dot?
SR gives you magic damage reduction
hearty bloom
are u using whirlwind on tank ?
lusty grotto
it doesnt prevent it being applied
lusty grotto
Demo shout works to any damage source, no?
correct
acoustic scarab
Gotcha
lusty grotto
are u using whirlwind on tank ?
no
neon elk
Its just stupid on higher keys as you are taking tons of dmg and your group also
Kinda reminds me of zul in kings rest
wide charm
Mhm, if the healer is tapped and you see the group getting low just hop out and give them recovery time
I don't see the issue in that circumstance
lusty grotto
zul was much worse
because we didnt have magic dr on SR
and we didnt have spell block
so it was just demo and wall
neon elk
Yea but in a sense "u beat that mob u beat dung "
novel spoke
Are there any youtube channels you guys recommend for first time prot warrior tanks to get a hang on this season's m+? This is my first season ever tanking and I am starting to time +10s but its getting dicey on certain pulls and I feel like I could be improving but need someone good to mirror
neon elk
Crit cake when he play prot is also solid, just keep in mind those people play with premade , and its hella different than pugs
wide charm
Quazii for key breakdowns, he is usually playing warrior
wide charm
mhm mhm mhm
slender bison
I remember the Uldaman crocolisks pull with the giga bleeds. Lots of running going there too, but I think this season they toned down on kiting. Maybe Motherload orc assassin is the last kiter of this season
lusty grotto
huh
slender bison
Kiting is simply not fun
lusty grotto
why would you kite assassins
novel spoke
Yeah I like quazii's vids but he plays pally in a lot of them
slender bison
The orc mini boss
lusty grotto
oh
slender bison
Before rock boss
neon elk
U dont need to kite that either tho?
neon elk
Yea just reset during his aoe
lyric fern
Or play dwarf 🙂
neon elk
I dont think there is any kiting since they made dfc dot dispellable
slender bison
dfc?
neon elk
Darkflame cleft
slender bison
Oh
lusty grotto
darkflame
neon elk
Those worms
slender bison
Yes, that's why, because we kite again like last season
lusty grotto
you can kite a couple of things
flurry strikes for instance
but that depends on key level
slender bison
From ToP boss?
lusty grotto
it does 0 damage on anything lower than a 13 tbh
slender bison
Oh, balancing strike
slender bison
From ToP mini boss -100% to all defensives
lusty grotto
you cant kite balancing strike or whatever
i guess you can but whatever
usually you skip that one miniboss
bleak sundial
is capo good for us?
lusty grotto
its meh
rik reverb better since it has secondaries
and can be gotten earlier
as myth track
not worth it for us
sharp gale
I'm doing 12-13s atm just fine
but I also have 0 tier and a bad trinket xD
I was sick of having no tier on my war so I did a good old pug split
30 man nm, 1 war, no evoker monk or rogue
heavy sparrow
I also find this season many opportunities to los behind walls which I've realized I kinda liked about tanking
wide charm
30 man nm, 1 war, no evoker monk or rogue
If I get no tier in this week's vault I might just do that because FFS
Rolling 91, 95, and 96 on this week's heroic curios and losing all 3 tilted me off the fucking grand canyon
tardy knoll
Im having issues grabbing aggro at the start of fights in keys
young wasp
Let's break it down, is it your fault or the dps fault
small steeple
So its up to 10-13% aoe now? Thought you said it was like 2% at first, then maybe 5%
young wasp
Cause if you're leaping/ravagering in and you have a ret paladin storming before you even thunderclap, that's on them
hushed harbor
The worst is druid starfall
tardy knoll
I dont have ravager cause the build i copied doesnt have it
strong forum
So its up to 10-13% aoe now? Thought you said it was like 2% at first, then mayb...
i said 2% ST
but its actually 5%
tardy knoll
Most of the time i charge in with avatar use thunderclap and demolish
unborn island
but its actually 5%
Dead class XD
tardy knoll
And still i have some loose adds that arent targeting me
young wasp
Charge in, avatar, tclap, revenge a few times to get stacks, then demolish
Raw demolishing with no threat = less dmg and people will pull off you
Demo shout etc
unborn island
And still i have some loose adds that arent targeting me
You're hitting with demolish and stuff is coming off you, you're not hitting them with demolish
tardy knoll
Charge in, avatar, tclap, revenge a few times to get stacks, then demolish
But i need to get ignore pain up so i rly cant miss the rage
To hit revenge
unborn island
Think it just takes getting used to, might be missing the mobs, DPS might be pulling off you etc
solid sun
Can I ask what build you copied that doesn’t take ravager?
young wasp
^
tardy knoll
Can I ask what build you copied that doesn’t take ravager?
Nr 1 prot warr on raider io
small steeple
Quite a few, especially once you get 4 piece. You can drop ravager for Battering ram.
unborn island
But yeah, usually it's revenge+clap+ whatever else, and use AoE taunt if it's still not working
young wasp
I wouldn't copy the #1 prot warrior on io when you have no idea why he's running a build xD
hushed harbor
Quite a few, especially once you get 4 piece. You can drop ravager for Battering...
This
small steeple
I personally drop indom for Battering Ram
strong forum
correct
tardy knoll
So getting ravager would be key
strong forum
indom is pretty fucking shit
young wasp
Getting ravager will help, yes
young wasp
If you're having trouble holding threat on intro packs, you should consider rotating cd's if your keys are going fast enough.
IE - Ravager one pack, T-roar the next, etc
strong forum
But i need to get ignore pain up so i rly cant miss the rage
actually the other way around
young wasp
ideally you just want to be ripping all of them
strong forum
if you cant use the rage to press revenge, youre dead
young wasp
^
tardy knoll
Explain plz
strong forum
cuz revenge gets you shield slam resets
if you are on empty tank and SS isnt able to be used
cuz you pressed ignore pain
well guess what, youll be afk
until SS is ready again
instead sending 2 revenges instead of 1 ignore pain nets you leech, threat and 2 extra chance to reset shield slam
sharp gale
Gcd lock= dead
strong forum
to get your own rotation going
if you are unable to do your rotation for an extended period of time
getting 1.5mil absorb from ignore pain isnt gonna do shit
cuz youre afk for 3+ seconds
tardy knoll
So ignore ignore pain?
strong forum
no
young wasp
xD
strong forum
you always wanna keep 30-40 rage in your tank
young wasp
Let's put it like this
strong forum
dont use ignore pain if you know you wont have rage afterwards and cant continue your rotation
sharp gale
So ignore ignore pain?
You ignore pain only if you are rage dumping (over 70+ rage or whatever basically)
strong forum
like yes oyu want to get IP up
to have brutal vitality keep IP up for you
and generally to stay alive
young wasp
Ignore pain is your battery - You want to charge it with shield slam and revenge damage since that gets added to your ignore pain, and any excess rage you get you can put into Ignore Pain to refresh it's duration
tardy knoll
So no need to keep it 100%
young wasp
You want to keep it up 100% of the time
But the duration
of the buff itself lasts like 10 seconds
young wasp
Yes, being rage starved with your gcd's locked and having a full shield = dead
Having a 35% shield, with everything still available = alive
You're basically a drain tank that uses Ignore Pain as your first health bar and you're constantly doing as much damage as you can to keep it juggling up and down as you take damage
tardy knoll
Is into the fray needed cause i like the other node more
young wasp
and then refreshing it by actually using ignore pain when the buff is going to time out
lusty grotto
Is into the fray needed cause i like the other node more
depends in if you can keep SB up or not
sharp gale
^
lusty grotto
no shame in running HR
young wasp
Most people in raid enviornments have like a 70-80% shield block uptime even with ITF, so if you wanna be super duper safe and play around max uptime, go for HR if it feels more cozy
I haven't tried HR in keys, so I dunno how that feels
lusty grotto
as long as you have close to 100% effective block uptime
you're good
meaning when youre actively tanking, in a raid setting
wheat flicker
Question for Protection Warrior tanks during Heroic Mug'zee, with the Molten Gold Knuckles Golden Drip debuff: it seems like movement out of a pool is required to drop your next pool, but how quickly can you move in order to drop pools? Can a heroic leap cause pools to drop along the path of the leap? How about a Mountain Tauren's Bull Rush?
young wasp
Question for Protection Warrior tanks during Heroic Mug'zee, with the Molten Gol...
Get your other tank to always take it so you can do more damage than them
tardy knoll
Well i only tank keys
solid sun
And don’t give your back to the mobs
sharp gale
I don’t have 100 % active SB because I’m executing at 35% of the boss 
wheat flicker
Get your other tank to always take it so you can do more damage than them
This is a fair callout, the other tank is a BrM and I'm rockin' him
But question still stands 😄
clever barn
Does anyone know the estimated dmg reduction will be after the nerfs tomorrow?
lusty grotto
Question for Protection Warrior tanks during Heroic Mug'zee, with the Molten Gol...
this shouldn't be needed, our BDK does it fine
small steeple
Question for Protection Warrior tanks during Heroic Mug'zee, with the Molten Gol...
Feather or other movement speed buff affect its drop rate because you literally move more distance in less time
young wasp
5 gorllian less damage
clever barn
Oh tyty
unborn island
Do you reckon you could time a 12 with 5 prot warrs? If so, which one would be easiest?
small steeple
joever
wheat flicker
Feather or other movement speed buff affect its drop rate because you literally ...
Bad, fair enough- i was getting freedom and TL during it, and that of course helped, but wondering what is in my own toolkit as well. Also wondering about intervene
sharp gale
You just run along the wall and leap back to the boss
unborn island
prot warrior is done
Dead spec, reroll prot
sharp gale
(In my guild it’s always the same /not me, who take the boss in dirt phase /im a fucking bdk)
small steeple
Bad, fair enough- i was getting freedom and TL during it, and that of course hel...
I don't think those work because your character isn't "walking/moving" under its own power. Its being moved by an abilitity
As far as I have experienced they don't work but I could be wrong
sharp gale
And idk how intervene would help since no one should be where you are dropping the gold shit
torn gulch
I remember that there was something about mastery % where critical block was the most effective
was it around 23-24%?
or i remember wrong
twilit eagle
ok i did a 12 rookery until last boss when we left because it was out of time, the log is uploaded as per request yesterday, thanks to whoever will help me guys
heavy sparrow
And don’t give your back to the mobs
So much this
heavy sparrow
Do you reckon you could time a 12 with 5 prot warrs? If so, which one would be e...
I recommend flood gate with double prot
heavy sparrow
as long as you have close to 100% effective block uptime
So maybe I should bring my mastery down then cause I think I got like 135-155% shield block with SB up
lusty grotto
So maybe I should bring my mastery down then cause I think I got like 135-155% s...
no
thats not accurate
sharp gale
Keys with 3 fire mages and 2 dh is what we need
heavy sparrow
wanna fish for another nerf?
Honestly we should all complain since there's already not enough tanks for incen tives
lusty grotto
theres no such thing as 135-155% block uptime, im talking about uptime
heavy sparrow
Critical block**** mb. Shield slam damage being reduced is like come on
My bad Nim
small steeple
Block uptime isn't the important part. Its proportion of melee that is actually blocked that matters
heavy sparrow
Agreed
dense ingot
my damage
sharp gale
because damage
Not with the 2hand wep build
heavy sparrow
I also noticed the sound differences this season while having shield block up, it's like constant parries. Big difference than last season where I only had 16% Crit instead of my 34
small steeple
because damage
the implication of block proprtion is that it means shieldblock is up when in melee range ergo SS damage is amped too and it doesn't matter when out of range
neon elk
Im sure somebody did the math is using SB for slam dmg better then just full sending executes for dmg ? In cases where u can live and dont need SB for deff purpose
heavy sparrow
Single target I do like 1.7 simmer but reality is on heroic bosses probably looking at like 1.5
lusty grotto
the implication of block proprtion is that it means shieldblock is up when in me...
i mean thats what we look at, but there are plenty of scenarios where youre not getting meleed
heavy sparrow
With executes
I also found this season that there's more variety and opportunity to try other weapon enchants
Crit strike, haste, verse, radiant power, and depths were about 5k-6k dps difference when I simmed
lusty grotto
nah
heavy sparrow
Councils Gil and the verse enchant was like 1,200 DPS difference but went with councils Gil instead of the verse to see how it is in game
mighty valley
who's got the money to experiment with weapon enchants
sim it once when I get a weapon, the end
sharp gale
who's got the money to experiment with weapon enchants
I got the money to sim all enchants and gems at the same time
heavy sparrow
who's got the money to experiment with weapon enchants
Pretty much what I did. I'm still not gonna bother with verse this season
cerulean burrow
after one against many nerfs is it still better than arterial bleed once mobs start living for a long time the higher you go inkey lvl?
lusty grotto
we've never gone verse enchant, i dont even know if it exists
its always Depths or Radiant Power
lusty grotto
after one against many nerfs is it still better than arterial bleed once mobs st...
good question
forwarding to @strong forum
📨
round thicket
I'm new as prot but do we have very good video guide like ZorThas for enhancement Shaman or something like that except wowhead ?
lusty grotto
there's old ones that are still relevant
core class has remained consistent
but no, we dont have one we link to people
just read the guides
basically:
- dont rage starve, dont rage cap
- maintain SB as much as humanly possible
- press SS as a priority
- use IP to dump, when capping rage
those are the basics
round thicket
Yep but guides for m+ don't explain correctly for mythic + pulls etc :/ Guides are very good but to know how to pull and pack depack mobs could be cool
round thicket
For example if I come to a pack don't know what is generating the best aggro, revenge ? Thunder ? A lot of things are missing for new one
lusty grotto
making a video detailing all gameplay would be incredibly time consuming
im confused
is that a general question?
round thicket
Yep
round thicket
I speak about m+ pulls yeah especially
lusty grotto
i dont know what you want, but to get snap threat it depends on your hero talent choice
whatever does big damage, will pull threat
prisma echo
I have question about SS. Is it always priority? Even in situations where im safe and want to just do as much dmg as possible should i always press it instead of revenge?
lusty grotto
its not complicated
lusty grotto
I have question about SS. Is it **always** priority? Even in situations where im...
do you want to starve with revenge spam?
prisma echo
Ok, so always press on CD no matter what
lusty grotto
m+ has prio targets
send SS on them
youre not losing much anyway, you need the rage, you need the punish stacks, etc
colossal might stacks etc
prisma echo
got it thanks
strong forum
after one against many nerfs is it still better than arterial bleed once mobs st...
nah
lusty grotto
plus outburst luck of the draw guaranteed crits are sexy af
cerulean burrow
nah
appreciate you that is the way i was leaning too but i like to consult the council every now and then to verify 🙏
obsidian harness
I'm assuming it's fucked up to sim, but how do we determine the benefits of Cinderbrew Stein to our group compared to another trinket benefiting just us —say Pacemaker or Viscera for example. Is there a general consensus on that? Is the Brew worth taking in a dungeon?
lusty grotto
might need to do some custom APL tweaking for it
similar to OCE, signet, etc
pips and icon
nocturne spindle
someone posted some logs with it equipped
it had very little uptime and wasnt really worth
small steeple
plus outburst luck of the draw guaranteed crits are sexy af
really fuckign sexy
oh man demolish that fight hit like a truck
execute aint too shaby either
For context this is a normal Vexie kill so 🤷
indigo wraith
Hey ! That might seem stupid, but i never really played tank yet.
I have a prot war, used to tank, i'm starting to push keys 10+ and i was wondering if raidbots Sims should be use to stuff my character further. For now i used mostly the BIS list and best stats to figure out.