yes sry, meant 16k minimum
#protection
floral bronze
strong forum
uuuhh probably ravager
dense remnant
how much haste is too much
strong forum
like 26k
warm plinth
@strong forum You hyped for visions returning? Because I'm hyped to see you do them with -1000000 fucks given again
warm plinth
I know, but it was content for me 
strong forum
i just did the grind session to get the backpack and mount
fucking 3hrs of speedrunning visions
warm plinth
At the end of the season I was like I should probably try to get the mailbox mount
Got it in the third mailbox I ever opened
strong forum
ye
warm plinth
I was surprised at how much grinding I had to do for the 100k memento mount though considering I loved visions and did boosts all the time too
warm plinth
🤮
I loved visions and that's still too many for me in a short period
I'm annoyed too that it doesn't seem like we're getting any more versions either
Just gonna be Org/SW again
amber wedge
I dunno why'd they go and nerf tank specs when tank players are already not that common. Is fun doing 2.3m+ overall in weekly keys. Being a dps main is just a lower threshold to tank when u can do big numbers
strong forum
thats why our nerf isnt large
jagged pier
Lul expecting bliz to make new content 
warm plinth
Hi Jakey qt
amber wedge
Weird
jagged pier
Hi Jakey qt
floral bronze
i get that you want to stack as much haste and crit as possible, but does versa become useful at some point as well?
strong forum
not rly
torn gulch
strong forum
1% here
warm plinth
No way, you need 13.63% exactly to survive high keys. This is the law.
strong forum
vers is flat dmg reduction with very little return
floral bronze
aight im running 12k crit, 16k haste and 12k vers atm, need so swap a ring to get more crit
sharp gale
I was surprised at how much grinding I had to do for the 100k memento mount thou...
vision boost ahh
jagged pier
It was lucrative ppl couldnt do them
strong forum
even if you get to 20% vers, which you need like 20k vers for, its "only" 10% damage reduction
warm plinth
Yeah, easy gold
sharp gale
Twilight devastation gave me plenty of gold to death roll
floral bronze
alright ty guys, will swap some vers to crit when i get the gear
toxic pewter
is there any world where we want basically like 25% crit just to satisfy 4pc or is that just kinda dumb thinking
strong forum
colossus relies on crit to do big pump
strong forum
is there any world where we want basically like 25% crit just to satisfy 4pc or ...
ideally yes
that part is pivotal
toxic pewter
like doesnt crit lose value after 25%
strong forum
floral bronze
<:SUS:1213536778603208734>
lmao
strong forum
just sim it or
toxic pewter
crit does so much outside of 4pc anyway
strong forum
colossus gets 10% crit amp
sharp gale
like doesnt crit lose value after 25%
It returns at the S1 value (which is still better than vers)
toxic pewter
yeah i forget about that crit amp
strong forum
shield slam crits generate 2 stacks of colossal might instead of 1
4pc crit reduces SC cd
crit grants you higher uptime of wild strikes
shield charge has a 20% crit amp with battering ram
CRIT VERY GOOD
strong forum
am at 32.85% base
warm plinth
Nomeratur secret to success:
strong forum
vocal flame
we are still the 2nd least popular tank
Why do you think that is? Utility?
strong forum
no
its simply not popular
it doesnt have big magic boom
no impressive animations
no magical lore
"low self sustain"
vocal flame
Just rock and stone
strong forum
its not a bdk or paladin
paladin is the most popular tank outside of raid
ret paladin is by far the most popular dps
vocal flame
Yeah
toxic pewter
demolish prot warr pretty fun and even us doing solid dam still not that popular
vocal flame
wide charm
Who cares about tank damage
when you can have a VDH aoe silence a pack for 8 seconds followed by 2 additional AOE stops (fear and chains)
is that 20-25% more tank damage really worth the utility? Clearly the community doesn't think so
is what it is
strong forum
smth smth the grass is always greener
wide charm
Yep but I mean VDHs have such high utility that there are routes specifically for vdhs
unborn dragon
is that 20-25% more tank damage really worth the utility? Clearly the community ...
As soon as your group starts struggling to meet a damage check that damage skyrockets in value
And prot isn't exactly lacking in utility itself
wide charm
Yea but you can do way more group damage in keys with unique pulls and those aoe stops
that's the thing, the missing dmg from vdh doesn't really effect anything due to that --- the rest of the group gets to blast more in a lot of circumstances
toxic pewter
plus that 3% extra magic dam.. still stronger than battle shout
unborn dragon
That is 100% dependent on group comp
toxic pewter
well with fire mages and sp's and crap
wide charm
To be clear, I love my prot war -- VDHs by comparison are hilariously easy to play
unborn dragon
Bring a havoc. With Aug being dogshit you have a lot more flexibility in group comp right now.
echo egret
The underpin ?? - any way to bait the adds in certain positions ?
toxic pewter
yeah tank boss along the wall I went clockwise
if he leaps to you that is sweet
basically kill adds then go further along the wall
jagged pier
The underpin ?? - any way to bait the adds in certain positions ?
Nope just focus on kicking balls and the boss jist dies anyway
unborn dragon
To be clear, I love my prot war -- VDHs by comparison are hilariously easy to pl...
I have to disagree tbh. Prot is a brick wall as long as you play it right. VDH on the other hand can and will run out of mitigation tools and it forces you to kite.
Like we press three main buttons to survive whereas VDH is constantly rotating like 7 different things to survive.
wide charm
Sure xD... but playing it right is definitely more complex.
I have easily double the buttons on my UI with prot war vs VDH --- now, I haven't played VDH in over an expansion but I doubt it's changed much based on what I see
Saying we press 3 main buttons on a prot war is cap AF
toxic pewter
I always thought vdh is considered a bit more unforgiving than prot warr
cerulean tusk
Is this normal ST in your guys experience?
unborn dragon
It is
cerulean tusk
Seems very very low
wide charm
that I could agree with I guess
toxic pewter
st i can do like up to to 2 mil i think obviously I may be wrong I cant remember for sure
wide charm
if you drop demon spikes or pull incorrectly you could just pop sure
small steeple
I have to disagree tbh. Prot is a brick wall as long as you play it right. VDH o...
only if you don't play it right
Which is even easier now with how much longer demon spikes are
small steeple
I always thought vdh is considered a bit more unforgiving than prot warr
It is unforgiving
wide charm
Just because you can explode if you fuck up on a VDH doesn't mean it is as complex as prot war
Unforgiving? Sure-- more difficult? Absolutely not
small steeple
For some people, because vdh doesn't really have an active mitigation or a group of big defensive cd's, they just can't play it no matter what
Can't get their mind around it or something
wide charm
You have to be prepared to kite more --- but again, with glide and your leaps you have the strongest tools to kite
toxic pewter
are they kiting these days though
warm plinth
Kite?
small steeple
As someone who played vdh up to 3k last season, that only very very rarely happens. Same as prot warrior
Almost never happens
warm plinth
I would recommend playing VDH before you compare its complexity with prot warrior
toxic pewter
honestly since df they make prot warr a lot easier imo we may even be training wheels tank
warm plinth
Prot warrior, while it can be very unforgiving, is not a particularly complex spec at its core.
unborn dragon
VDH is definitely more complex lmfao anyone saying otherwise hasn't played it.
floral bronze
do you wanna use demolish ALWAYS with other cds up (demo shout, avatar, roar) or send it as soon as its up? sometimes it comes up like 8sec earlier or so and im wondering if saving it fo cds is a mistake
small steeple
honestly since df they make prot warr a lot easier imo we may even be training ...
well now you have 100% SB uptime you didn't before
toxic pewter
ya
mighty valley
prot warrior is a little unintuitive for new players but once you know how it works it’s one of the least complex tanks
toxic pewter
we training wheels tank
warm plinth
We press basically one button to live in the general sense. VDH has multiple that they have to press at the right time
wide charm
That's cap AF -- you won't live through shit with just shield block up
toxic pewter
lol
small steeple
That's cap AF -- you won't live through shit with just shield block up
lmao
warm plinth
what
small steeple
what
toxic pewter
98% of shit is like shrugged off
mighty valley
do you wanna use demolish ALWAYS with other cds up (demo shout, avatar, roar) or...
if you can wait just a couple secs for avatar sure, but don’t wait long, cdr is wasting
plus you can press sw if you’ve got one for IO
wide charm
Give me a break y'all are tweaking if you think you don't need to cycle demo shout, shield block, etc
while using lots of IPs
shield block does not keep you alive unless you are slow pulling
gtfo
small steeple
guess I'm tweaking
floral bronze
if you can wait just a couple secs for avatar sure, but don’t wait long, cdr is ...
alright so like 5s of waiting for cds is fine, otherwise just send it?
unborn dragon
Same
small steeple
Apparently people use demo shout as a defensive cooldown? news to me
wide charm
are you guys running 8s? lmao
urban portal
cerulean tusk
warm plinth
Half the damage you take in every dungeon, if not more, will be blockable damage. I'm not suggesting Shield Block is our only mitigation tool. I'm comparing what we need to press at minimum to survive, vs what VDH does.
wide charm
I played a VDH for a very long time all through legion and BFA, was 3600 in legion on it as well -- I know it's been a minute but again -- class seems more or less the same
warm plinth
VDH has to press multiple abilities to survive, while we can survive most with just one.
VDH is literally completely different from then to now
COMPLETELY
small steeple
Half the damage you take in every dungeon, if not more, will be blockable damage...
This 100%. Vdh has no active mitigation. It has short defensive cooldowns. That must be cycled and layered
floral bronze
also i think vdh is a bit unintutive bcs you need your dps abilities for def, like sigil of flame for the +parry, fel dev/meta for demonsurge
mighty valley
we obviously press other buttons as part of surviving but we can generally just Send That Shit and it works
small steeple
also i think vdh is a bit unintutive bcs you need your dps abilities for def, li...
don't forget demon form also increases soul gen, increasing suvivability and damage in that way too for AR
floral bronze
don't forget demon form also increases soul gen, increasing suvivability and dam...
yeah. thats why i thnk vdh is way more unintuitive than other tanks (maybe leave out bdk)
small steeple
Also wasn't BFA vdh literally a 1 button spec? Just hit shear
mighty valley
also all of m+ has become more complex since legion/bfa lmao
toxic pewter
this convo making me want to level up my vdh
small steeple
for soulmonger
floral bronze
prot warr is VERY intuitive, but you need to cycle your defs pretty well and essentially track 2 buffs at all times (SB, IP)
wide charm
This 100%. Vdh has no active mitigation. It has short defensive cooldowns. That ...
If you are doing anything over a 10 on a prot warrior and you try to live with just IP and shield block -- you're going to die. Or make your healer go insane.
toxic pewter
screw healers
warm plinth
I don't think it's worth continuing the argument because he's arguing with only half the information.
small steeple
If you are doing anything over a 10 on a prot warrior and you try to live with j...
How does what I said imply in anyway that you don't use your defensive cd's as prot warrior?
warm plinth
It's a pointless discussion when one person insists they know what they're talking about, when (no offense) they don't
wide charm
You have to cycle and layer your CDs on prot war as well xD
If you overlap your defensives too much you'll either die or have to pull much slower
small steeple
The point is that is all vdh has
warm plinth
I strongly suggest you go play the current iteration of VDH in some keys and then you'll see that it's a lot more complex than we are.
prisma echo
I currently done most 10's on my warrior and all 10's on VDhH so i can compare both. They are just different i agree you need "press more" as VDH. War feel more "intuitive" from tank perspective.
VDH have big selfheal which give you big sort of stability you dont have on Prot but on other hand prot i think will do better on higher keys and will be easier
toxic pewter
wat does intuitive mean
prisma echo
also its much much easier to make dmg as prot then on vdh
warm plinth
It means it can be understood without a lot of outward direction
plain island
Hello , i started playing prot recently , what first 2 items i should craft with my runed crest?
prisma echo
Generate/Spend use active mitigation buttons
warm plinth
Like you can look at it and understand mostly how it works
small steeple
VDH have big selfheal which give you big sort of stability you dont have on Prot...
gonna have to nix this right here. As it stands due to damage types, vdh will do better in high keys this season
By high I mean top 1%
if not higher
mighty valley
wat does intuitive mean
if your average player just reads the abilities, they’ll figure out how to play well without much extra help
prisma echo
wont argue cuz not competent in that matter 🙂
warm plinth
Yeah, Harrow explained that better lol
prisma echo
By higher i mean 12-14 when you cant just zoom pressing all defs as vdh for just damage
toxic pewter
Hello , i started playing prot recently , what first 2 items i should craft with...
do u expect to get myth lvl weapon/shield
plain island
do u expect to get myth lvl weapon/shield
nah it'll be mainly for m+ tanking
small steeple
do u expect to get myth lvl weapon/shield
he said runed, not gilded
so don't use runed to craft
plain island
he said runed, not gilded
runed and will upgrade to glided down the road
small steeple
Then shield
plain island
do i just use my runed to upgrade my stuff and farm glided?
cerulean tusk
Just start with the gilded version, the heroic track shield will last you till there either way. Use runed to upgrade all gear to 658
small steeple
Unless your gonna get a myth from your vault, thats the best your gonna get outside of myth gallywix shield
plain island
and whats the 2nd item should be?
small steeple
weapon
prisma echo
do i just use my runed to upgrade my stuff and farm glided?
Use gilded first to craft then to upgrade from hero 4 to 6. Use runed to upgrade from hero 2-4. Other use as much as you want
Lvl 8 drops hero 2
plain island
sounds good ty
muted spire
Has there been an update on trinks since the buffs? Gorechops one looks like it might be good now.
wide charm
I strongly suggest you go play the current iteration of VDH in some keys and the...
What defensives do they have aside from brand and demon spikes now?
small steeple
What defensives do they have aside from brand and demon spikes now?
Are you serious? Vdh has spikes, brand, sigil of flame, meta, fel dev for meta,
uh lets see
a ton of healing
painbringer
wide charm
Bruh
small steeple
fralility stacks
keen leaf
we still replacing circlet at 665?
warm plinth
Demon Spikes, Frailty, Sigil of Flame, Fiery Brand, Fel Devastation; those are the general mitigation tools that they have to use
small steeple
You can't argue vdh is simpler than prot warrior when you don't even know what half of its defensive kit is
wide charm
Frality is still from spirit bombing ?
small steeple
Demon Spikes, Frailty, Sigil of Flame, Fiery Brand, Fel Devastation; those are t...
Painbringer dr stacks
wide charm
Hey asshole, I was literally asking a question what are you on about
small steeple
Frality is still from spirit bombing ?
and sigil of flame, and soul cleave. It stacks now too
warm plinth
I don't count painbringer; that happens on its own
toxic pewter
most arent even running spirit bomb these days'
keen leaf
good, I hate spirit bomb tbh
small steeple
I don't count painbringer; that happens on its own
Thats still a good 30-40% dr
toxic pewter
ya spb suck
warm plinth
30-40%? How?
wide charm
These all sound like things that are passively being generated through your rotation -- it's like saying Punish is a defensive ability on prot war --- no one would bring that up
warm plinth
Isn't it like 1% per fragment for 6 seconds? or 2% with 2 points
small steeple
Ok sorry mathed wrong, 15-30%.
warm plinth
Lei honestly, you're convinced you're right. Either play the spec yourself in some keys and learn the hard way, or idk. I doubt any of us are going to convince you when your counterargument to facts is "those all sound like"
wide charm
Yikes
warm plinth
It really is yikes, I agree
wide charm
I mean you can't explain anything and just expect me to change my opinion lmao
small steeple
I mean you can't explain anything and just expect me to change my opinion lmao
Is that not how debate and arguments are suppose to work...?
wide charm
Absolutely not? LOL
warm plinth
Oh go fuck yourself man. I'm not wasting more of my time on your willful ignorance. I tried to be respectful but now you're just trying to fucking condescend to me when you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
solid sun
I think there’s some validity to the statement that core rotational abilities providing defensive value is simpler than a different tank that presses defensives separately from their offensive buttons
wide charm
If someone can't explain something why on earth would the other person change their opinion??
warm plinth
Go fucking educate yourself BEFORE you come in here spewing nonsense. It's not our job to educate you.
small steeple
So your saying we haven't explained anything. Have you read anything we said at all?
toxic pewter
fine this discussion has made me log onto my vdh.. swore I would not since shadowlands season 1..
wide charm
LOL
small steeple
@ionic fern can you stop this argument? I'm stopping myself before it gets worse
warm plinth
I've been very patient and tried to explain to you and you're just being an asshole about it.
solid sun
I haven’t seen anyone be an asshole
wide charm
I've been reading but when you guys bring up VDH has X ability I ask a question and you act like it's not worth your time to explain it
so it's wild you expect an opinion to change when you also refuse to give me information that I supposedly need
solid sun
He mentioned stuff being passively gained through the rotation. Did anyone respond to that? I didn’t see a response and now people are heated
warm plinth
I fucking answered the question you asked 😂 And even left ouf something that was completely passive.
out*
wide charm
Go fucking educate yourself BEFORE you come in here spewing nonsense. It's not ...
Sure man
fluid widget
so whats this discourse about
unborn island
Idk, something about demon hunters being hard to play
fluid widget
harder than prot warrior sure but I wouldn't really say any tank is hard to play
just nuances
keen leaf
what dpoes this mean
mighty valley
so whats this discourse about
it’s now about ice cream flavors. personally a big cookie dough fan
ionic fern
<@238357283996696576> can you stop this argument? I'm stopping myself before it ...
I assume it stopped?
fluid widget
it’s now about ice cream flavors. personally a big cookie dough fan
I'm a big fan of cookie dough, but dublin mudslide is the best
mighty valley
fuck that’s a rare spawn but it is great
small steeple
I assume it stopped?
Looks like it so thats good
young wasp
Controversial opinion...
|| Prot warrior is fun ||
small steeple
Controversial opinion...
|| Prot warrior is fun ||
Hot take there my friend
I agree
toxic pewter
demolish prot warr most fun its been since shadowlands imo
cerulean tusk
Controversial opinion...
|| Prot warrior is fun ||
jagged pier
what dpoes this mean
sims backend probably down right now
sand condor
Lmao
sand condor
demolish prot warr most fun its been since shadowlands imo
On god
sand condor
Controversial opinion...
|| Prot warrior is fun ||
Nah this is heinous cease
They nay actually nerf us just because of that statement
cerulean tusk
I already PMd Mwahi and Xan too take him out back. Late I dont expect a response from before it has gone too far.
young wasp
You're all just jealous of my schizophrenic asmr weakauras...
keen leaf
sims backend probably down right now
thanks
small steeple
I just saw/heard they have a power outage at where the sim computers are at
lusty grotto
kinda wild reading how punish shouldn't be considered a defensive ability
but ill leave it there
wide charm
I just meant that it isn't something you'd mention when comparing because it's a passive thing that should happen from your natural rotation -- you don't do anything special to apply it or even have to think about it
wide charm
Yea, that's fair -- but you should be attacking that prio target anyways
almost always
lusty grotto
yea
small steeple
That’s all I got lol
lusty grotto
prio targets are more often than not because they kill the group, have more hp than others, not because they kill you
so i guess my wording should have been better
wide charm
So you'd hold ss to put on a more durable mob instead of sending it into a totem in meadery?
I wouldnt idk
lusty grotto
if affix spawns on gigazap
what are you more inclined to put punish on?
cause its definitely on gigazap
can just tab and execute the dumb ghost
wide charm
100%, I think it's fair to say those circumstances aren't common though -- I guess in fairness I'm only really doing 12+ atm so I never see that thing xD
fresh kernel
mighty valley
kinda wild reading how punish shouldn't be considered a defensive ability
NIM NO DONT RESTART THE CONVO
lusty grotto
i think i just shouldnt have used prio target, because that can get confusing, you should be getting a prio target down sure, but there's always a different priority to save your ass / deal with tank damage with punish - so i wouldnt say it can be overlooked
yes yes okay
mighty valley
(WALT YELLING FROM CAR) NIM!!!!
fluid widget
god damnit ddos
small steeple
Don't make me get Mwahi again
broken cove
when do you tank swap on mythic lockenstock?
wide charm
generally you can do it at 6 or when the pack comes out
I had no trouble going up to 10, hop out with d-stance shield wall and spell reflect you'll be fine
lusty grotto
no reason to
wide charm
when not actively tanking or if I want to parse
lusty grotto
yeah that's about it
mighty valley
3% crit
broken cove
which translates into how big dps increase in %?
mighty valley
depends on your gear, would need to sim
tribal wharf
this is why i say about the 3 rez thing
broken cove
can you do it in quicksim or how
tribal wharf
even though its supposed to be hardcore, which since d2 blizzard treats as "you die you die"
imagine you are the only paladin left alive after this
and you come back and you rez everyone
warm plinth
what 3 rez thing
tribal wharf
its just my belief with HC wow is, if you arent incenerated by lava, eaten by dragon, 1 shot by meteor
you arent 100% dead, and you can be ressurected
its on a timer
warm plinth
Idk what you're talking about. Did they add resurrections in hardcore?
tribal wharf
should be i think, but ye lol
like we have divine intervention button in hc pretty sure
remind me what that does again
warm plinth
It's like a targeted bubble but the person who used it dies
tribal wharf
so you press a button and you die in hc,
where you cant be rezzed
sorry, i had to make the point on that lol
urban bane
not this conversation again
tribal wharf
anyway
warm plinth
like if you want special rules or w/e for hardcore, just play a normal realm char and impose the rules yourself like people used to
dark barn
Will Mountain thane be competitive next week? (since they avoided the nerf)
lusty grotto
on aoe? no
same deal as now
thane good on execute st
and perfectly capable to tank whatever key, just at a cost of reduced dps
nothing has changed
dark barn
i see, feels like a minor buff to thane if you like to play it
lusty grotto
thats not how buff work
the real question is how close is thane to other tanks
and i dont have numbers for it, but it feels like it would be on the low end
at least in aoe
small steeple
Thane got more exe DPS? Never knew
Just because exe literally hits harder for them. And col no longer gets demolish stacks from execute
lusty grotto
rage
thane has an easier time in execute phases
this isnt new
and its not a now thing, we've been saying it since before these changes
prisma echo
Demolish go burrrr
Me after clicking ravage and demolish with my feet and close eyes and doing top dps
https://media.tenor.com/55em64iqU48AAAAe/jose-mourinho-i-am-jose-mourinho.png
floral bronze
do i need a weakaura to track the tome of light devotion buff? or can i just send it on CD and be gucci?
unborn island
Ideally you need the weakaura, but the details are in the pins
floral bronze
yeah i read the pin, essentially i wanna use it as soon as the mode swaps to shield right
unborn island
Essentially it had two modes, you never want to use the trinket to switch mode when it is in 'sword' mode
floral bronze
yeah
unborn island
yeah i read the pin, essentially i wanna use it as soon as the mode swaps to shi...
Basically, you might not have it ready immediately in M+ but that's generally the idea.
rigid kestrel
is house of cards any good as prot war?
lusty grotto
its good for everybody
rigid kestrel
y
slate valley
Is it possible to predict where the soak is gonna be on 2nd boss priory?
lusty grotto
is house of cards any good as prot war?
guide also got you covered https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear#trinkets
rigid kestrel
cool cool
lusty grotto
Is it possible to predict where the soak is gonna be on 2nd boss priory?
been wondering about that, but as it seems its just random
slate valley
Allright, thanks
viral jackal
Can someone explain to me why trash masters mantle is BiS? Is it just a ton of vers?
lusty grotto
perfect stat gear
or stat breakdown
thats why
the entire set sims high
if you dont have them, dont consider it bis
viral jackal
Oooh gotcha. That makes sense. I was wondering why vers was our third best stat but that’s the best cloak. But it’s assuming I have all the other pieces to make up for haste/crit
lusty grotto
theres no such thing as a bis list really, whatever sims high
i believe nome put that in a paragraph there
warm plinth
Trashmaster cloak is bis for the title obviously
lusty grotto
sharp gale
I don’t think you can do the quest with an m+ trashmaster cloak
slender bison
Why is everyone taking priory left besides twitch sweatlords? Ive been clearing 10s with right and I get "lmao never went this way before" from dps
warm plinth
Even if you can't, you have the title while wearing it
warm plinth
But idk why you couldn't use it for the quest
lusty grotto
easier to control bleed + judgment with insta dispel
sharp gale
Because pug never go right
warm plinth
It's the same item Id to my knowledge
But you wouldn't want to do that until you replaced it because I'm sure the replacement cloak is still bfa ilevel
slender bison
I'm in pug, nobody dies. Just good sync of interrupts
Thanks
I thought the 1st boss lieutenant would change
sharp gale
You got fire dude on the boss if you go right no ?
sharp gale
You are not supposed to kill the guy you fight with the boss
slender bison
I meant the forgemaster guy on right
sharp gale
Ah yeah, in pug it is a pain to do him with trashs
slender bison
I'm gonna do a run on left to see if priests are easier
Europe pugs are pretty disciplined after M+7 onwards
sharp gale
I went right once after people told me they go here, I saw the forge master I was : « Nop no way »
slender bison
Right is easy too, just stack priests with disruption shout with footmen and they melt
analog sparrow
solid sun
“Why is everyone going the other way?”
Because it’s easy
“Well my way is easy, too!”
Aight lol. Keep going right.
mighty valley
at some point the way all the pugs go becomes easier because pugs have done it a million times
kinda self fulfilling
frosty crest
Just looted this beautiful and perfect item (I'm upset I wasted my RNG on this lmfao)
stiff gate
going right sucks, the miniboss there is harder than the miniboss on the other side, AND the mini you have to deal with during the boss fight going right requires more brain cells than the one you have to deal with after going left
lusty grotto
thats not what top rank keys think misread
but you do you
dispelling requires more brain cells than a kick rotation, hmm
lol
thats so wild
oh
i misread
i thought you were making a case for left
my bad
floral bronze
mate holy fuck how broken is tome of lights devotion (658 ilvl)
just ran a +9 floodgate to farm the crit trinket and tome did 103M overall, equating to roughly 3.3% of my damage
- all the crit that it gives, so absurd
ionic fern
mate holy fuck how broken is tome of lights devotion (658 ilvl)
Very.
young wasp
Priory right = all the effort to not fuck up on the boss is on 5 members of the team.
Priory left = all the effort to not fuck up is on your tank and healer and dps can cleave target dummy style
I don't see a logical argument to go right unless mathematically the tank can't survive a judgement/bleed overlap
vale escarp
Maybe If you are 4 man premate and know how to kick but dunno how good your Pug-heal is? On the other way the heal still have to dodge the AoE and die even with good interrupts
young wasp
Even if you're kicking, you still have to spread and then the boss can leap onto someone mid fire rain and fuck them unless they fixed that overlap
Cause that was toxic, getting leapt on during fire rain and just getting globaled by it :(
lusty grotto
i mean i used to like right
cause you get to kill the group with fire puddle miniboss
cause that area is fucking aids
easier to handle him when he comes running over
but yeah i was shown the light
and its not that kicking @ boss is substantially harder, but why would you chose the more tedious path
young wasp
I think if anything its weird one side of the dungeon has the same mechanics but the other has two completely different ones
Left would be more challenging if the boss's add put a shield on both of them that reflected damage and exploded for wipe level damage if you didn't get both off
But instead you get a mini boss that does literally nothing and then a dispell on boss?
Meanwhile right side you pretty much get the same mob twice weird design choice
frosty crest
Viscera's supposed to be good for us, right?
lusty grotto
patent pebble
Pretty much fresh level 80 learning the spec, Is mountain thane generally a bit easier to be learning to tank with than colossus? worried about making sure i get everything aggrod properly as i come from druid where its super easy to do so
lusty grotto
yes
mighty valley
yeah it’s got better snap aggro for sure
prisma echo
Guys how much will i lose if i run heavy repercusion instead of into the fray?
lusty grotto
not much, i run it
cerulean tusk
ITF is 5% ish
lusty grotto
my haste isnt there yet so i havent swapped
rich dragon
🤌
prisma echo
did you also run haste flask or alchemical chaos flask?
prisma echo
ill come back and read it then 🙂
jagged gust
use haste flask if you need haste /shrug
floral bronze
did you also run haste flask or alchemical chaos flask?
talked to nomeratur earlier and he said haste is just giga BiS until like 20k or smth
so i always run haste flask
lusty grotto
i run alc chaos
floral bronze
today was a good day, i dropped both BiS trinkets
mighty valley
chaos is more total stats which is generally what we want
but if the haste one lets you run itf comfy then it might be better for you til you get more gear
strong forum
Alch Chaos is more damooge
halcyon idol
is there no other way to learn routes than just doing them over and over again?
brisk rain
floral bronze
read pin
jagged gust
is there no other way to learn routes than just doing them over and over again?
are you asking if there's another way to learn, aside from practice?
halcyon idol
are you asking if there's another way to learn, aside from practice?
yeah
floral bronze
ye get a WA
idle copper
Sha/Quassi YouTube route guides
Do them on normal solo
https://keystone.guru/ make your own root, I usually do while looking at YouTube guides
halcyon idol
solo??? 👀
idle copper
Click on your char and set dungeon difficulty to normal
jagged gust
outside of stacking debuffs you can solo most keys
halcyon idol
outside of stacking debuffs you can solo most keys
i'll have to try it
mighty valley
the dungeons all flop over easily on normal mode, you can walk through if that helps your brain
fading tide
How’s this class in m+? Honestly haven’t played since s1 of DF
idle copper
the dungeons all flop over easily on normal mode, you can walk through if that h...
Not all of them, but can take gear off and run them naked if you want to see abilities/casts
vocal flame
Would be cool if you could see count in normals for practice
idle copper
There is a weakaura that shows % value on mobs HP bar.
Can probably get it to load for normal with minimal hassle
mighty valley
How’s this class in m+? Honestly haven’t played since s1 of DF
Not the meta pick but can do the biggest keys
jagged gust
different mob count in m+ tho innit
toxic pewter
any of you guys struggle with the cinderbrew meadery benk buzzbee fight? like everyone says its an easy fight but I really struggle to get aggro on the adds and end up placing the puddles very poorly
really dislike that fight maybe more than I should?
prisma echo
not much, i run it
i change to Heavy Repercusion and its game changer 😄 with haste flask
jagged gust
any of you guys struggle with the cinderbrew meadery benk buzzbee fight? like ev...
Sounds like your dps are afraid of kiting
toxic pewter
maybe I have to use heroic throw more or something
jagged gust
yeah heroic throw is mandatory
toxic pewter
just always seems like Im in the wrong spot and the bees are like chasing my party
jagged gust
its dummy thicc with the threat
toxic pewter
yeah heroic throw is mandatory
yeah I def going to use more
jagged gust
the fight gets real hectic real fast if you're running all nimbly pimbly from add to add dropping puddles every 10 seconds
jagged gust
yep, because suddenly you have to track like 5 things simultaneously
jagged gust
yeah, that's why the dps have to do their part, drag adds to tank if they pull, MD/FD/meld/feint yadda yadda
all you should worry about is pressing defensives and walking 5 yards to the left
jagged gust
after they die, they crash em into barrels
toxic pewter
ok
jagged gust
basically the same as the bikes in vexie
toxic pewter
ok I understand
vocal flame
Yesh DPS needs to help you out and bring them to you. This seems to have been lost over the years. They just think tank aggro is 5 miles lol
toxic pewter
yeah especially as colossus with clap being like 4-5 sec cd
and sometimes in bad spot to revenge
harsh marlin
yeah, did all +12 as a war prot, now a need to reroll as a DH
harsh marlin
yeap
jagged gust
yeah especially as colossus with clap being like 4-5 sec cd
I'd be cool with thane coming back in vogue, I miss the instant snap threat so much when gathering
harsh marlin
initial agroo for warrios are just a pain in the ass
harsh marlin
yeah, but on aoe, we suck
toxic pewter
Yeah I will say the thunder blasts were pretty solid
limber temple
Thunderblast felt more satisfying than spamming revenge does for me. I do miss it. Feels like trolling my group if I go back to thane though 😂
patent pebble
Thunderblast felt more satisfying than spamming revenge does for me. I do miss i...
Whats wrong with the mountain thane?
mild river
With the buffs coming to trinkets next reset do we have a new tier list or nothing changes?
limber temple
Whats wrong with the mountain thane?
Everyone wants the DPS from Colossus.
harsh marlin
that gonna be nerfed on next week
limber temple
It’s still not going to be close tho is it?
pallid quiver
It's like 5% in AOE based on Nome's quick napkin math
so yeah, colo is still going to pump in comparison to thane
harsh marlin
idk, but makes no sense to nerf something that is not the most OP
pallid quiver
colo was the strongest damage wise among all tanks
it was only matched by other tanks specs getting major good RNG and high rolls
pallid quiver
have you tried looking at the enemies
you can only block attacks from the front, if you weren't aware, which is our main mit
harsh marlin
its not the worst tank, but the diferencial is the damage, and tha is it
i dont have any problem with this but, if they gonna nerf our damage, why they gonna bring a prot war for high m+
mild river
i dont have any problem with this but, if they gonna nerf our damage, why they g...
Unless you have a team, you won't get invited. Almost Every 12 or 13 i applied today, I was rejected. Just got invited once. The other keys i did were my own.
strong forum
updated the pin regarding the nerfs
slightly bigger than anticipated for aoe but ah well
harsh marlin
Unless you have a team, you won't get invited. Almost Every 12 or 13 i applied t...
i dont blame then, its not easy to play with a warrior prot in a group.
mild river
i dont blame then, its not easy to play with a warrior prot in a group.
Ofc it's not. You have to use interrupts with us haha
harsh marlin
lolz
pallid quiver
slightly bigger than anticipated for aoe but ah well
I'll still be beating most DPS I run into in the wild
cyan bronze
Wallahi blizzard is insane with these nerfs
sudden lynx
Only one of them actually does endgame content the others just do heroic dungeons and stuff
cerulean tusk
13% would make low tier DPS player finally beat us more often
So seems fair to me
sudden lynx
NOOOOOO I NEED TO MOG THEM
cerulean tusk
Worst part about being a pwarrior in 14s? You dying slowly over 10 sec, every sec your health just dips that closer to death and healer just stares at you
A true healer power fantasy dream right there
strong forum
I'll still be beating most DPS I run into in the wild
Instead of 3.2mil I'll do 2.9mil, AW shucks
Really awful dmg
(meanwhile bdk doing 3.2mil++)
strong forum
Worst part about being a pwarrior in 14s? You dying slowly over 10 sec, every se...
Just do more dmg and live with leech and tierset procs!
cerulean tusk
Time to reroll to BDK, and instead of slowly dying. I get to be sync-white one tapped through purg 
toxic pewter
We going back to thane or wat
dim quartz
same question
frozen berry
I don’t know how much further behind thane is damage wise, but if its actually a 13% nerf that’s a heavy handed nerf
toxic pewter
Is this m+ dps column accurate at archon website
cerulean tusk
I too think BDK with its self sustain niche should do the most dam. Nerf warr one more time 
sudden lynx
Time to reroll to BDK, and instead of slowly dying. I get to be sync-white one t...
What a way to go
strong forum
But not active dps and just an average
sudden lynx
We going back to thane or wat
Nah
toxic pewter
But not active dps and just an average
I see
What is active dps is that like in combat
strong forum
Like at that level if you do sub 2mil dps as pwar, bdk or ppal I have very concerning questions
cerulean tusk
Active is details standard, only combat. Ye
toxic pewter
Ok
strong forum
I do fucking 2.2mil in ToP, how the fuck do you suddenly do 300k less in a key with waaaay bigger pulls on average
pallid quiver
I do fucking 2.2mil in ToP, how the fuck do you suddenly do 300k less in a key w...
you just simply aren't pressing buttons
That's normally it
cerulean tusk
Nome slacking, letting us down
pallid quiver
they're just literally not pressing anything
strong forum
Nah, those are just averages
cerulean tusk
None never was the same after the buffs
wide charm
In my 12s I feel like I never break 2m dps overall
but I mean... I'm 658 with 0 tier... -_-....
I'm hoping I get tier in vault and then can use my 3 catas finally and won't even notice the nerf.
cerulean tusk
I won't say nuffin
strong forum
But tier ain't gonna make you do 1mil+ dps
There's clearly some performative lack
Or 0 crit or thane
Crit is very important for dmg
pallid quiver
if tier made you do like 1m+ DPS, that'd be some crazy ass tier
cerulean tusk
Maybe bad Col RNG
pallid quiver
I don't think there's ever been a tier set or something similar that has been that drastic
strong forum
Or just thane
wide charm
Eh, averaging ~1.8 seems about right for my circumstance, no? Tier and the resulting talent changes surely bring ~250-300k dps overall
strong forum
I don't think there's ever been a tier set or something similar that has been _t...
ahem bdk in SL which buffed bdk dmg by 300-400%
pallid quiver
*ahem* bdk in SL which buffed bdk dmg by 300-400%
I'm trying to repress memories, Nome
let me lie to myself
strong forum
Eh, averaging ~1.8 seems about right for my circumstance, no? Tier and the resul...
Depends on your pov
cerulean tusk
SL BDK, 100% DRW uptime, what a time to be alive that was
pallid quiver
that bdk tier was so fucked up
cerulean tusk
My best was 1.6
wide charm
Sure but I'm working with a fucking sacbrood, no tier and not cutting edge il
mighty valley
Eh, averaging ~1.8 seems about right for my circumstance, no? Tier and the resul...
I’ve done 1.8m overalls when I was at 435 ilvl with no tier earlier this season
wide charm
I've had 10s where I did 2.4m
strong forum
435
wide charm
o_o..... I'm not talking about my all times
I'm talking about typically I'm around 1.8-1.9 in keys right now with 1 weak trinket and 0 tier
11-13 area
strong forum
One can always do better 
wide charm
Course course -- I doubt I play 100% perfectly
cerulean tusk
Meh, I seem to be around 2-3m, so seems fine to me. Tho I got sac too
Sac a cool little trinky
Gives you ill eggs
Very fancy
wide charm
nicee niceee
strong forum
And a scuffed af 2.9mil ML 10 boost 
We had like 35 deaths cuz our dk trolled with mines and gripped them into other people
cerulean tusk
Ret booster would be so happy
strong forum
Still only missed +2 by like 1 minute
The boost was me boosting 3 dps with shit gear
Pretty funny run
strong forum
Bro I don't even get PI in raid as arms
Even tho im top performer
Meanwhile every arms out there getting 3-4 PIs every fight
pallid quiver
We had like 35 deaths cuz our dk trolled with mines and gripped them into other ...
based dk
strong forum
Yeah... Weeklies with dave always end up like that
I kinda forgot that part
Like 180% mists route
Man pulled every pack in the maze with divine toll
And pulled last boss from 2nd boss
Divine toll is quite something
strong forum
The automatic judgements don't have a limit on range or line of sight
So if you can target it, you can pull it
unborn island
Is it just me, or do the rookery bosses take forever
jagged gust
And pulled last boss *from* 2nd boss
pallid quiver
a lot more interesting than my keys, where I'm just like, "hey, arc, use invis here"
"ha ha look at me i'm casting frozen orb!"
dead
pallid quiver
also the frozen orb was on the seventeen illegal packs
so the rest of the dps die, too
pallid quiver
Yeah the rookery bosses force so much downtime
and it feels absolutely terrible if circumstances align so last boss gets shield back up right before it dies
raw apex
sorry to interject - How are you guys doing the Sprocketmonger transitions? Do you hold the boss until you get the party pack or swap at a certain stack of the debuff?
toxic pewter
I’ve always just taunted when the other tank gets party pack and they should run away
rustic epoch
Question so with this nerf doesnt it also effect are def in big pulls alot because we lose the healing from leech?
toxic pewter
I mean yeah we will heal less via leach but prob won’t be that noticeable at least I don’t think
rustic epoch
Shrug its normalie atleasted 20% of my healing so i wish we got some flat dmg reduction out of this atleast
mighty valley
It’s roughly a 5% damage nerf, you really won’t notice the difference from leech
pallid quiver
It’s roughly a 5% damage nerf, you really won’t notice the difference from leech
Numbers updatyed to 10-13%
mighty valley
Oh dang
toxic pewter
So 13% of 20% healing
What is that
Like 2.5% less leech healing or somethin
Prob won’t feel it in my opinion
mighty valley
Yeah still don’t think it makes much difference to our ability to live
rustic epoch
Shrug i just worried about it since indom was nerfed do to rage gen nerf now leech do to dmg nerf means we need strong healers more if not same as a monk would
mighty valley
A lot of folks are just dropping indom completely and doing just fine
toxic pewter
I miss the 6% stam from indom more than the 1% healing every 20 rage to be honest lol
I want that big hp number
mighty valley
Big hp number does make me feel good but it barely matters haha
toxic pewter
Yeah just something about big number feel gooder
heavy sparrow
1% isn't anything really
rustic epoch
Eh struggle to deal with dot dmg that by passes blocks in higher keys myself like prioy bleed etc so any sustain nerfs has me worried let alone are lack of consisent magic dmg reduction we can deal with it just aonnying
cinder nova
That's why you plan your groups CDs in route, but I assume you're playing with randos.
Even then you can just "Pain Supp when I get the bleed"
or w/e
mighty valley
yeah those mechanics are where blizzard is expecting the healer to interact with us
of course they haven’t managed to make that apply to all tanks yet
dull vine
Guys i have 2pc of the season 2 tier set, and im using 2pc of the a season 1, should i change the season 1 itens for new itens and stay only 2pc?
mighty valley
S1 tier was very weak, replacing it is fine
noble wagon
is there a big difference between mountain thane and colossus?
noble wagon
was it pinned? sorry
lusty grotto
colossus will outperform thane in aoe dps
defensiveness isnt much of a difference, thane is easier to play
noble wagon
thank you ❤️
lusty grotto
st damage is comparable between the two, with thane being better in execute phases
cinder nova
I do like me some execute spam.
The heady intoxication of Sepulchre execute is still a high I'm chasing
I'm sure there are some fights current raid that make it worthwhile?
lusty grotto
execute is at sepulcher levels, but not quite at antorus levels since juggernaut isnt uncapped like back then
but of course rage is always the limiting factor
thats why thane does marginally better st
small steeple
also
execute for mt straight up hits harder
was jugg really uncapped back then? sounds amaqzing
cinder nova
Yeah. It got absolutely ape.
We also would heal more than healers in some fights, by A LOT.
Antorus Mythic doggies
small steeple
oh was that when ip was uncapped too
tacit falcon
I wann cry
vocal pewter
Are we looking for a haste number without ITF or with ITF? Like a base number or buffed number?
lusty grotto
we never look at haste numbers with buffs, and ITF is a buff
lusty grotto
oh was that when ip was uncapped too
im guessing you havent seen "the video"
prisma crane
goosebumps... EVERY time
pallid quiver
I felt it in my bones
I knew this was being posted and dropped everything I was doing to check Skyhold.
This is just i the soul of every true Warrior
cerulean tusk
Hey, it is my fav Fury video 
pallid quiver
i forgot what i was doing
vocal pewter
we never look at haste numbers with buffs, and ITF is a buff
And looking for ~15k unbuffed
mighty valley
Do you have 4set
prisma crane
btw, where can i go tell blizz to fuck themselves with these nerfs coming tuesday?
lusty grotto
refer to the copy pasta guy from yesterday
prisma crane
i missed it
all we have is damage at this point in the game and they're taking it away from us
lusty grotto
these changes have been made with such care to leave our viability in raid untouched while impacting our cleave with revenge only in M+ that i am forced to suspect that they have been made with malice. there is (for there must be) some villain at blizzard who was, at some point, maligned by a protection warrior and now we are punished as a class (an appropriate term, i certainly feel like an underclassman when looking at my purple counterparts)
decent copy pasta for sure
prisma crane
he's certainly one with words
lusty grotto
is it any coincidence that the only choices for viability in any given meta are the following: a winged purple demonic freak and a shield toting wizard larping as a holy man. both perversions of goodness and an insult to common sensibilities. the common man can never be anything more than a sideshow curiosity for the balancing elite, forever second rate and second class
lmaoooo
prisma crane
but i'll stand behind him in his crusade
lusty grotto
i told him hes like Mr. Milchick
im guessing hes not a Severance enjoyer
could have followed it up with a "devour feculence"
prisma crane
@fossil wind you're my hero
toxic pewter
Severance is coveted af
dim quartz
Reminder that blizz wanted to kill pwar at the start of ptr
What do you think about the nerf? Is it still viable, or is it far behind in the meta?
cerulean tusk
We were scratching on the door through the sheer power of DPS. Our only strength.
Blizz got annoyed and got out the water spray to make the scratching stop
strong forum
What do you think about the nerf? Is it still viable, or is it far behind in the...
Bro we could do 4mil dps and we wouldn't be meta
dim quartz
true
cerulean tusk
Good thing about the Nerf. It will make Fury feel stronger comparably
Always a bright side
lusty grotto
toxic pewter
Why everyone feel weird when we do good dam but not a peep when bdk does
lusty grotto
cause bdk's is a proc
so everyone might not see it consistently
hero talent or w/e
jagged gust
is it any coincidence that the only choices for viability in any given meta are ...
Paladins, aka pink warriors are too shifty. Are they priests? Are they warriors? Are they mages? They seem to be whatever they need to be in the moment, wandering from title to title as they see fit. Sounds like a complete lack of morals to me.
lusty grotto
tall rampart
which spec are you guys enjoying for m+ so far this season?
long bronze
loving the gat aimed at pwar the most meta and giga of tank specs
gonna be cool doing less damage in max gear than I do now
tall rampart
https://www.archon.gg/wow/builds/protection/warrior/mythic-plus/overview/10/all-dungeons/this-week
was just looking at archon and only saw colusus, surpried no MT builds being popular?
cerulean tusk
Demolish is a ton of fun, going to play it as long as I can - or it gets nerfed.
If it does then it is BDK time for those big Death Strike hits
lusty grotto
which spec are you guys enjoying for m+ so far this season?
colossus does considerably more damage in aoe, so thats what we play in keys
and it isnt far off defensively
its harder for non-experienced warriors though
tall rampart
ah ok that makes sense
vocal flame
Any dung tuning this week? I heard of changes but can’t find it anywhere.
tall rampart
I assume 10 and below no real difference
just when trying to push higher the extra damage will come into play etc?
lusty grotto
key level doesnt matter
no reason to go thane if youre experienced like a lot of us
on any key level
and by experienced i mean being able to manage rage correctly
so not a whole lot required
just a bit harder for anyone starting out
fallow wind
^more haste
hoary gate
Will thane be more viable after the nerf?
lusty grotto
thane is always viable
hoary gate
Or are people planning to stick with demolish
lusty grotto
the nerf doesnt make a difference
colossus will keep outdpsing it on aoe
doesnt mean thane isnt viable
hoary gate
Yeah I've just started tanking again and knocked out a few 10s, colossus has felt good but now the nerf lol
lusty grotto
read the pins
mighty valley
how much is 10% less personal damage from you gonna change how your keys go
vocal flame
You just started tanking and clearing 10s already and worried about that? I wouldn’t lol
hoary gate
Lol I tanked s3 of dragon flight but had a buddy who tanked last few seasons, now he quit so I'm back at it lol
I just read the pin, I thought it was more than that tbh my bad
vocal flame
It’s not that much. Just someone at blizzard with pink hair and a cow ring in their nose hates prot wars
mighty valley
It’s not that much. Just someone at blizzard with pink hair and a cow ring in th...
really weird comment
warm plinth
is it any coincidence that the only choices for viability in any given meta are ...
Yogi types like this, except it's a random thought at 2:30am in the middle of a few other people debating about something, and it's about Doom
round cliff
It’s not that much. Just someone at blizzard with pink hair and a cow ring in th...
ppl say stuff like this unironically
crazy
mighty valley
"blizzard is mildly tuning a tank spec's damage because of woke"
embarrassing honestly
warm plinth
lusty grotto
yea i know ghash
warm plinth
Also, rare occurrence of me pinging Nimchip without it being that
lusty grotto
pallid quiver
Yogi types like this, except it's a random thought at 2:30am in the middle of a ...
We love yogi, honestly
lament forge
fossil wind
it has come to my attention that my character came under attack during my absence. has my (and by extension, those virtuous many of us that hold this spec, and justice, close to our hearts) persecution transformed from the ire of a lone villain (hired professionally by blizzard to ruin their game) to the focused assault of a cabal of conspirers? what other purpose would they have to impugn my good standing? i expect, in reply, diversions and deceitful so-called "wit", deployed only for distraction.
rustic epoch
Yeah i think with dmg nerf i am gonna try mtn again due to it nerfing burtal vita and leech feel like we need like a 5% flat dmg midgation to off set it could be wrong just my 2 cents
mighty valley
it has come to my attention that my character came under attack during my absenc...
honestly, i preferred your earlier work
round cliff
im making brownies at midnight :3
toxic pewter
I feel like he actually typed that out due to no capitalization and whatnot
fossil wind
QED
mighty valley
i dunno. maybe i'm an elitist but your posts yesterday had some truly beautiful turns of phrase
and this one's just a little clumsy
but maybe this is your experimental sophomore effort
and it's gonna produce your best ever work
fossil wind
im not interested in critique of my prose, i am trying to communicate with you from the heart and in turn i receive (as expected) japes and quips
cynicism and in-group posturing is the lingua franca of online discussion forums and this one is no different. any time there is more to be said than a joke or snide correction every poster covers their mouth and titters, “what a curious little jester he is!” as if they have never in their life encountered a person who says what they honestly mean in the way that it is earnestly meant
sharp gale
Mont-joie saint Denis, que je trépasse si je faiblis
pallid quiver
Instead of 3.2mil I'll do 2.9mil, AW shucks
i think you cursed me
that's almost exactly 2.9m overall dps
i do literally one key today on my war to gamba on a tome
sharp gale
i do literally one key today on my war to gamba on a tome
After so many priory, I got the signet, I’m giving up and looking for floodgate one now
pallid quiver
I got the floodgate one on my first 10
I also have a hero signet
i just need a tome for that solid ST dam
sharp gale
1 or 2 items and I’ll start to push but they don’t want to drop
I have a huge ravager macro 
round cliff
whats the next timewalking
dull vine
ksm dont give a tier set token anymore?
round cliff
catalyst charge
twilit eagle
hello, i lurked in here but first time writing, there is a possibility to let someone check my log on a m+ run? i consistently do 1.8m on 10 and 1.4m on 12 and when i see people at 2.5m i ask myself how this is possible, so i think is an error for my part playing something bad
vital vale
twilit eagle
ii find it much higher in priory and absolute shit in theater honestly
pallid quiver
hello, i lurked in here but first time writing, there is a possibility to let so...
There's a specific help-and-log-review channel that you can make a personalized topic for
south zealot
hello, i lurked in here but first time writing, there is a possibility to let so...
link a log here
ill look
pallid quiver
But since you mentioned it, you can also drop it here
south zealot
i probably know whats wrong but ill look anyways
pallid quiver
If you do ever make a topic in the log review section, I'd recommend mentioning it here as well, as a heads up, since Prot normally doesn't get as many log review asks
twilit eagle
ok i will let you know when i have the log, usually i dont use those sort of thing apart from raiderio, choco said it maybe have a clue though
pallid quiver
Logs will say exactly what you're doing, so we can tell you specifically what needs to be done to improve performance
twilit eagle
any tip o which addon i need to use to register them?
pallid quiver
any tip o which addon i need to use to register them?
Jakey has a good write up that can be found there on how to log
twilit eagle
ok prepared all, when i do some m+ i will post the log, thanks guys
sick halo
Hello all, beginer question, i`ve seen on raiderio prot ranking, that some tanks go along with crit/haste gems and enchants and some go with full on vers gems/enchants. Is versatility a solid route?
pallid quiver
All secondaries are close enough that it doesn't matter, but you will get objectively more value from crit this season, considering you can guarantee SS crits with enough crit rating during tier set
It's got to feel absolutely horrible to miss a crit since iirc it's only 75% crit chance on SS when it procs
so if you can't get the other 25% somehow, you could theoretically not get a crit SS to reduce SC cd
sick halo
Thank you for this.
Do we have some cap values that i should try to aim my crit/haste values
ionic fern
Not really,no.
heavy sparrow
Hello all, beginer question, i`ve seen on raiderio prot ranking, that some tanks...
Tanks have to do more damage
Sim it
slate valley
Anybody know the impact on the nerfs? Like x% ST and x% AOE?
mortal cypress
Anybody know the impact on the nerfs? Like x% ST and x% AOE?
slate valley
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069/135278025846...
Thanks!
mortal cypress
Dont think me, i didnt do the math 😛 but np!
pallid quiver
https://tenor.com/view/xcom-hop-on-gif-26943695
what really makes this is the crouch like 3 seconds later
mortal cypress
what really makes this is the crouch like 3 seconds later
what game is it?
stable pawn
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069/135278025846...
Is Colossus still preferred in M+ or we back to Mountain Thane then?
cerulean tusk
Reasoning to do one or the other remains the same
tired prairie
Should i have a 100% uptime in M+ to SB? Atm i stack at 80-90% since i switched my Talent to „Into the Fray“ because of the 8% Haste-Buff.
sharp gale
Should i have a 100% uptime in M+ to SB? Atm i stack at 80-90% since i switched ...
You should have minimal (almost none) unblocked hits
indigo hawk
I’m the only one that fell it weird that the 4s of shield wall from the 2P don’t stack with the 8s from using the shield wall ? If you get a proc at the moment you were about to press shield wall, you will only have a 8s instead of 12s… For me the Logic would be that it cumulate like shield bloc. What is your opinion ?
oak ivy
wrong person woops
oak ivy
It's got to feel absolutely horrible to miss a crit since iirc it's only 75% cri...
just get 25% or higher crit
big parries
oak ivy
I’m the only one that fell it weird that the 4s of shield wall from the 2P don’t...
afaik blizz is a big fan of munching procs like that and not allowing Casted Ability duration to stack with Procced Ability duration
indigo hawk
For me it could be so mush better for Warrior prot tankiness that is just stack… that would be a great up for Warrior durability and QoL
sharp gale
I’m the only one that fell it weird that the 4s of shield wall from the 2P don’t...
It doesn’t stack ? I just got tier this night on my war, it stacks the duration of my def cd on bdk, I didn’t really checked on the war
oak ivy
nop if you proc and then cast it it's just a normal 8 sec
indigo hawk
It doesn’t stack ? I just got tier this night on my war, it stacks the duration ...
I tested it last night and sorry but no it don’t stack 😭
steep condor
Hi, with the recent class tuning is mountain thane recommended over colossus for m+?
oak ivy
Hi, with the recent class tuning is mountain thane recommended over colossus for...
They're both viable, colossus still does more damage
sharp gale
Oh gosh on bdk it was a hotfix last week I thought war didn’t have the issue 😢
steep condor
They're both viable, colossus still does more damage
Thanks Blankie. Is thane easier or more forgiving?
oak ivy
It's probably more beginner friendly, since your primary damage in thane leans more into Thunderclap, you don't have to worry as much about spending rage offensively
meanwhile colossus is huge damage from revenge but that takes rage away from IP/SB
steep condor
Thanks! Colossus sounds more fun 🙂
oak ivy
imo it definitely is
untold isle
Colossus is so much more fun 😄
cerulean tusk
Go Col, do big crits
untold isle
its just awesome now, you are almost a 4th ddps
steep condor
Cool!
untold isle
also the shockwave trhwoing mobs to air is a nice cc and interrupt
cerulean tusk
its just awesome now, you are almost a 4th ddps
Ners coming soon 
untold isle
its not so much
steep condor
I thought the recent nerfs might have ruined it
untold isle
no
cerulean tusk
10-15% ish
untold isle
the main aoe dmg is from revenge, which is untouched
steep condor
Excellent news!
cerulean tusk
It stings quite a bit
untold isle
well ok, from doing 2,5m in dung you will go to 2,3m
still awesome
also demolish in m+ for like banner in ToP or for gun in Workshop is purely insane help to grp
cerulean tusk
That is cope, but you ain't wrong technically speaking. Does allow BDL to shine tho
steep condor
I need to learn what pulls I can do so I don’t go pack by pack. People will die. RIP.
sharp gale
Ah ! For you it’s a bug ?
cerulean tusk
I hate autocorrect so much, BDK*
steep condor
also demolish in m+ for like banner in ToP or for gun in Workshop is purely ins...
How does demolish help the group? It’s just dps no?
untold isle
u can almost solo kill the mob
cerulean tusk
Dam kills things faster
steep condor
u can almost solo kill the mob
Ahh nice
steep condor
If I had shield irl I’d be smashing it with my sword! You guys have got me hyped to try it 🙂
untold isle
i havent been enjoying playing prot this much in a few seasons, the collosus and demolish is just awesome
once you learn a few tricks and how to pull, what to use when its just pure fun
jagged gust
And when not to cast demolish...
steep condor
once you learn a few tricks and how to pull, what to use when its just pure fun
This is the challenge - I don’t want to do one pack at time so I need to watch some videos of others pulling I guess