protection

[frosty mango]

But it’s very dps/healer dependent

[sharp gale]

yes french language in gaming is really anglicized

since soak has no real translation, buff neither etc

puddle is flaque but we say both in wow

[indigo hawk]

Yeah every language do that, just look at some commenting of skating competition, nobody will translate the tricks. It’s the same for gaming

[teal nexus]

all sorts of military and culinary terms that we still use french words for in english

[fossil wind]

why is the nerf so targeted at keys when we arent stand-out in m+, when will blizzard explain themselves and how can the arrogance of the eternal game dev be curbed once and for all

[jagged gust]

because shit like this happens in raids

[south goblet]

its like a 5% overall dmg nerf its nbd

[storm stone]

based

[fossil wind]

why not nerf execute if the raid was the problem

[lusty grotto]

youd have to ask them

we wondered the same thing when word of mouth reached us last week

[fossil wind]

these are paid so-called professionals cant they read the buttons in their game

[prisma echo]

Guys is crafting weapon+shiled good idea?

[fossil wind]

frankly i cannot be made to believe that balancing this game is a real job that actual people spend 8 hours per day working on, any halfwit could correct in a week what takes blizzard entire expansions to resolve

[toxic pewter]

even after the nerf we gonna be doin big dam

balancing is actually quite difficult even an AI couldnt do it

some say it's actually impossible

the real issue is perhaps the human psyche and it's ever-craving need for a 'balance' that will never exist

[fossil wind]

only financially motivated dullards (read: blizzard employees) say its impossible, i cannot be mollified by your well-intentioned COPE ! if i performed so poorly at anything i do, recreational or professional, i would rightly be ridiculed

[toxic pewter]

I mean tank balance is the best it has ever been right now

[fossil wind]

it was better two days ago

[toxic pewter]

🤷‍♂️

[lusty grotto]

yeah but i feel him

[jagged gust]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-adventure-sonic-the-hedgehog-what-the-fuck-are-you-talking-about-shadow-gif-25640005

[lusty grotto]

i still dont think blizzard looks at utility as part of balance

they are completely tone deaf to it

[storm stone]

hard agree

i started a disc priest alt

i feel loaded to the gills with group utility

[pallid quiver]

It's more like a splash of flavor, which, really, in most cases,

it kinda is

[lusty grotto]

that being said, we're certainly far from dead

[pallid quiver]

If they wanted utility to be a focus, there'd be more mobs that have to be hard stopped imo

Because a non-zero amount of specs (read: us) have a lot of utility specifically centered on hard stops of some kind

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt have to be a focus

but theyve been doing quite decently at throughput balancing

so they should use that mentality to also look at what a class brings

not specifically utility but like everything

[pallid quiver]

I think things in WoW tend to be too binary for it to be like a side consideration; either it is useful or isn't in a lot of cases. Throughput balance really matters the most, though, since being bad on numbers is fuck feels bad times

I could be wrong on utility and whole kit wise, and it could be dynamic enough, but it's not really a big enough deal for me to care, at least

About the only times it actually matters is in extreme high end keys, since the largest majority of the playerbase, even though pushing 12s-13s now, don't even use their full utility suite

[lusty grotto]

i wont deny its certainly harder than

[pallid quiver]

And even in those highest keys, world first key pushers are built different enough that they'd probably find some real dumb manipulation of mechs to get past needed specific utility if they had to

[lusty grotto]

you'd have to uhh compromise in class identity/diversity etc

and people are passionate about it

grips for example

"hey give us a grip" says us

and then everyone will be up in arms about identity and homogenization

[fast oracle]

we should have a lust

[fossil wind]

these changes have been made with such care to leave our viability in raid untouched while impacting our cleave with revenge only in M+ that i am forced to suspect that they have been made with malice. there is (for there must be) some villain at blizzard who was, at some point, maligned by a protection warrior and now we are punished as a class (an appropriate term, i certainly feel like an underclassman when looking at my purple counterparts)

[storm stone]

we would be the only tank with bloodlust

yeah that would be cool

[fast oracle]

it's also very warrior

[lusty grotto]

first they have to make rally not hot fucking garbage, and apply the 5 person buffs like other group buffs

err 5 person augmentation

[storm stone]

could also call it something edgy like Roaring Advance

[lusty grotto]

or w/e

[pallid quiver]

I always said that we should have a battle rez, not a lust. Just shout at someone to get back up, remind them that they still have blood to bleed

[lusty grotto]

brezzes are kind of not as important as lust

[storm stone]

OOOOh wait

i have a better name for warrior bloodlust

Warsong

[lusty grotto]

given that cables exist, of course

[storm stone]

eh eh?

very warcraft

[lusty grotto]

drums, however, are fucking dumb in comparison so...

[pallid quiver]

yeah but it's funnier

[lusty grotto]

lust has more value

[fast oracle]

no horde names allowed

[storm stone]

You will take your orc clan named ability and you will like it

[fast oracle]

there's no such thing as the horde

[storm stone]

it casts the warsong or it gets the nerf again

[fast oracle]

brother I play a tauren

there is no such thing as the horde

[storm stone]

so do i

[fast oracle]

only the alliance exist

[storm stone]

highmountain or base?

[fast oracle]

base, as it should be

[pallid quiver]

hello, mods, there's someone spreading hate speech, hating on my people

[storm stone]

are we Beef brothers?

[pallid quiver]

I, too, am cow

[fast oracle]

I made this character in vanilla. Highmountain didn't exist.

[storm stone]

Hell yeah

Tauren Tanks

[fast oracle]

I don't think we've ever not been the best horde tank race?

[storm stone]

i mean i didnt make mine cuz of that

or id have gone dwarf

i just like tauren

[jagged girder]

Undead is the best and only race

[fast oracle]

true until undercity ceased to exist

[storm stone]

You smell like cheese

[jagged girder]

[vocal flame]

100000000000000000%

[pallid quiver]

I'll never trust an Undead BDK

that bastard died twice in character creation

[small steeple]

lmao

[jagged girder]

God

[foggy fox]

anyone wanna run some chill +6? looking for tank xD (relogged to an alt and all tanks besides war suck)

[fossil wind]

my disbelief has not waned. the fact of the matter is that these changes are less a balance update to a video game and more a hex that has been cast upon me by a bona-fide cyberdemon that has infested blizzard hq. this company is in less need of developer talent than they are an exorcism

[lusty grotto]

my disbelief has not waned. the fact of the matter is that these changes are less a balance update to a video game and more a hex that has been cast upon me by a bona-fide cyberdemon that has infested blizzard hq. this company is in less need of developer talent than they are an exorcism

[cerulean tusk]

Btw, if you ever do a group with 3 Fury, or similar, dont masspull

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-bad-customer-service-confusing-interface-long-wait-procrastinating-gif-882789016671464392

[jagged gust]

I was thinking about why so many in the radical left participate in "speedrunning"

The reason is the left's lack of work ethic ('go fast' rather than 'do it right') and, in a Petersonian sense, to elevate alternative sexual archetypes in the marketplace ('fastest mario')

[cerulean tusk]

I am not going to read the context of that discussion. I will just say this:
GO BACK TO THE REALM WHERE YOU BELONG, FILTHY RAGEBAITER, BACK I SAY! I COMMAND THEE BACK TO #pvp #NIGHT

[tribal wharf]

when it comes to wow groups and mmorpgs, i believe in diverse groups as a whole, like if there is 4 party slots and 4 character types, i will 99% time roll one of each not 2/2 1/3 some crap

and so i divide it up by damage and if its damage from range, or melee and then can they heal/x (purify)

and the less diverse my group is, the more i tend to fail, doesnt matter what game

[cerulean tusk]

Yes, but what about doom tho

[tribal wharf]

i would never for an example join a wow classic hard core group of 5 man dungeon, with less than 2 players being capable of healing, not including only heals tank but big heal

never in a million years, in classic wow hc would u see me in a group of, 1 paladin, 3 warriors and a rogue

i would log off before it could become a reality

[sharp gale]

You never saw me in a dungeon at all in hardcore

Trusting random people ? Nah

[tribal wharf]

not so much so that i can blame the other healer guy, but the thing im thinking is if you got a priest only for healer

and then they got no mana nothin, or they get sheep or something else we cant easily remove

GG

look at my mana, what could i have possibly done

[fossil wind]

i cannot be derailed by time wasting tangents, this malevolent developer must be brought to justice. we are being unduly persecuted for the personal sentiments of one (1) fiend on blizzard's payroll. i will not attribute it to incompetence because there is evil in the air, any conscious, rational man of good moral character can feel it

[lusty grotto]

i cannot be derailed by time wasting tangents, this malevolent developer must be brought to justice. we are being unduly persecuted for the personal sentiments of one (1) fiend on blizzard's payroll. i will not attribute it to incompetence because there is evil in the air, any conscious, rational man of good moral character can feel it

[fossil wind]

agreed

[prisma echo]

Guys stupid question. Why Funhouse Lens is not S tier? Its because of champion track and it dropping in value in later? I first time saw 10% dmg increase in sims in my life when i sim it.

[lusty grotto]

probably sim bait

[sick sentinel]

delve trinkets are rarely s tier in tier lists simply cause they don't go to myth track

[lime mantle]

I tried to sleep, the devil in blizzard HQ tormented me, showing me another nerf that will come soon, they are out to get us and will change the demolish animation sounds, thus destroying colossus and forcing us to thane for another DPS loss in M+.

[tribal wharf]

there is an item called funhouse lens in the game now?

[prisma echo]

And its really good 🙂

[lusty grotto]

I tried to sleep, the devil in blizzard HQ tormented me, showing me another nerf that will come soon, they are out to get us and will change the demolish animation sounds, thus destroying colossus and forcing us to thane for another DPS loss in M+.

[tribal wharf]

clownmusic.mp3

[lime mantle]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=234217/funhouse-lens

[lusty grotto]

oh yeah thats def not sim bait

its a decent trinket

[tribal wharf]

.... this has been enough discord and wow for me today

[prisma echo]

I got it on champion track

[lime mantle]

It goes up to HC track if you are comically lucky.

(Map or vault)

[lusty grotto]

yeah farming delve trinket is an exercise in futility

trinkets*

hero tracks

[prisma echo]

Also guys that are at around 655ilvl. How you feel doing 10s? Im asking because on my main vdh i literally can not even press spikes

Rather then tankbusters ofc

[jagged gust]

Cruisin

[lusty grotto]

i was doing 10s at 650s idk

649 even

[prisma echo]

I Think i can manage them on 644 i am right now

[lime mantle]

Cruising since 640-ish ||I got carried by my friends||, I would recommend pressing SB tho.

[lime mantle]

If you don't go ham on pulls and your dps/heals are stacked I guess

[prisma echo]

Im asking about something else. Im testing both war and vdh with vdh i feel literally unkillable (or its sekfheal bias) but doing big dmg is more demanding for me (i need actually track things and sweet). Meanwhile on my war rn (still graring) im doing crazy dmg but in curious if i will be same tanky as vdh with that gear

[jagged gust]

depends on your shield

[prisma echo]

Im also 660 doing 10 so i overgear a lot

[prisma echo]

Crafted gilded

[jagged gust]

that's most of your defensive package right there

you should be good to go

[prisma echo]

I decided to both gear to same lvl do some 10s and decide what i enjoy more.

[lusty grotto]

there's not a lot of difference in tankiness between tanks

its all utility, group help, and self-sustain, as to why they are meta

or just fitting a group buff

[fossil wind]

is it any coincidence that the only choices for viability in any given meta are the following: a winged purple demonic freak and a shield toting wizard larping as a holy man. both perversions of goodness and an insult to common sensibilities. the common man can never be anything more than a sideshow curiosity for the balancing elite, forever second rate and second class

[storm stone]

I wish disrupting shout was baseline

and or baked into another skill

[lusty grotto]

every single tank can tank title keys

if you feel weaker or stronger, its due to knowing the class

not a class issue

[jagged gust]

Think about the phrase "fully automated luxury Communism" in the context of "speedrunning" and I strongly suspect that things will start to 'click' in your mind.

[lusty grotto]

its a skill one

[prisma echo]

I disagree. Like yea numberwhise its that. But im not skilled player so i also look on whats easier to execute. Brews doing super high Key but to execute tankiness you need higher skillcap. Thats Why i also ask for „feeling”. On vdh i press spikes and with felscar just press buttons on rotation without any mind. Im trying to feel of on prot would be the same with shieldwall, Shout on cd and some blocks here and there

[lusty grotto]

we dont deal in ,, F e e l s ' ' here

all tanks are viable

[strong forum]

Feels do be valid tho

[prisma echo]

I know that lads im not talking about what is better

[lusty grotto]

and i just said its a skill issue

[strong forum]

Tbf

When I tell reholy how little dmg I take on my pwar and how I don't care about 98% of mechanics

He does hate my guts

Cuz bdk gives a lot of fucks about things I don't

Not particularly this season but all prior seasons

[lusty grotto]

the point is

[fossil wind]

why should i toil under injustice just because i can, through pain and persecution, reach the same heights the privileged do for being born with an inclination towards anime and dark colored clothing

[lusty grotto]

all of them have tools available

so it IS a skill issue

feels arent really a thing when it comes to defensiveness

its all knowledge

reason why we have a sheet

detailing blockables, spell blockables and reflectables

you are supposed to know these things

just like youre supposed to know how to deal with pure physical hits on VDH

because youre not just gonna rely on parry

[strong forum]

Nim you're getting a bit one-guyed here

And taking it a bit too serious 😉

[prisma echo]

I agree with all of you 🙂

[strong forum]

Anywhomst

I bedge

[lusty grotto]

oh

i missed the 1 guy 😢

[fossil wind]

the world is not fair, why should i act like it is, will my burden be lighter?

[prisma echo]

Thanks for discussion and answers 🙂

[strong forum]

If it ain't fair you just shouldn't care

https://tenor.com/view/skidaddle-skidoodle-skadoodle-noodle-wizard-gif-7909553082133907033

[fossil wind]

my point is not at all diminished by the success of our minority. if we are not the best and not even nearly so, why should we be punished? it is my supposition that this is the fault of the aforementioned villain and until i have heard his forked tongue hiss an explanation or justification i will not relent

[lusty grotto]

regular Mr. Milchick over here

or chat gpt 🙂

[fossil wind]

i apologize i was too incensed to see your reply. regardless, i dont find any of this to be relevant to my criticism of blizzard's resident cyberdemon

[fossil wind]

i dont know who that is

[heavy sparrow]

any 640-650 tanks wanna do last boss normal gallywix and first few bosses? Looking for a fellow co-tank

[small steeple]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hNdKGHjkxENitTxwSept4z

interesting I have big red button and Viscera simming higher for me in droptimizer than my tome

[lusty grotto]

did you miss they buffed all direct damage trinkets

easy to miss since it was just before the balancing post

[small steeple]

No, but I was under the impression from what nome and others said that it wouldn't really change anything

[lusty grotto]

yeah well he right

how are you applying the APL?

in droptimizer

[small steeple]

I knew i was missing something

[lusty grotto]

maybe im blind but i dont see you adding it under raw input

oh

[small steeple]

ok lets see know

lol

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/o7uabpRYvb8BwwyLuzUkGU

ok yeah trhat changes things

[past cobalt]

how's colossus vs thane looking for the nerfs coming next week? for M+

[wide charm]

In Cinderbrew the bee's final sting --- can you spell block this? Reflect?

[round cliff]

did a 10 was kinda nervous abt it but i very quickly found out i still take 0 damage

im kinda struggling with IP uptime on long single target encounters tho

like if im being conscious to not let shield block go up to 2 charges, and i also have to press IP at the same time, then i starve

kinda feels like i should be ok with letting IP drop and only press it on the tank busters?

[toxic pewter]

so any of the trinkets that are buffed gonna be omega bis or wat

[pallid quiver]

Should be magic damage, so can DR it

Should be able to spell block, too, iirc

[lusty grotto]

its in the sheet

[pallid quiver]

It's the only main thing to watch out for as a tank in that hallway, so remember to leverage CDs

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, it's fine if it drops off

[lusty grotto]

use 👏 the 👏 sheet 👏

@cerulean tusk

🙂

sold lmaoooo

800k minus AH tax or w/e

[haughty scroll]

is cinderbrew stein still bugged? or does it actually consistantly apply to allies now

[sharp gale]

[lyric fern]

Low keys are fun
I will miss this....

[pale badge]

Anyone have tips for hwo to consistently do trash to boss 1 in DFC?

[unborn dragon]

are we dooming in here

[mighty valley]

You’ll do 5% less than this

[lusty grotto]

doom dn

[frosty mango]

Yes warrior is cooked come Tuesday. May as well delete the class.

[calm lodge]

Why do so many guides recommend Armor over Weapons for crafted pieces? Isn't a weapon really high value

[solid sun]

All portals acquired. Gotta be the fastest I’ve done it in a season

I’m glad I was able to get all the portals before the spec is unplayable trash

I’m jk

[mighty valley]

shield is v important to us and you might as well follow that up with another dawnthread piece

weapon’s decently important but literally any high ilvl one will do

[bleak breach]

Can’t believe wow has taxes

[bleak breach]

Oh no, you’ll only do like 2.6-2.7 mil instead

[calm lodge]

cool thank you very much

[lyric fern]

every point of dps counts guys

(I actually dont care lol)

[round cliff]

thanks pa

i can keep it up 100% of the time in trash tho

and i should

[sharp gale]

It’s for inflation

[round cliff]

my once-yearly urge to race change to blood elf is here

but i know i shouldnt and wont

[pallid quiver]

you can get arcane torrent value in top on the spear mobs 🙂

[round cliff]

id honestly forget to press it i just want the mog opportunities

[blazing vale]

Will Thane actually be just as viable as Collosus after the nerfs?

[round cliff]

no the nerfs are a slap on the wrist

thane isnt not viable tho

[sharp gale]

Dracthyr are belf too

[round cliff]

dracthyr are human arent they

[sharp gale]

No they have belf human form

[round cliff]

dracthyr female is def human

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-ohcome-on-gif-7511567

[sharp gale]

Oh I thought male, idk about dracthyr female

[round cliff]

i only play male orc or tauren or goblin

everything else is fem

(i dont have any tauren or goblins)

[sharp gale]

Tbh my Druid is female too, I hate not being gnome but I hate male nelf more

[round cliff]

gnomes are stinky

i dont respect gnome players..

[pseudo pike]

are we holding cds to use demo shout/demolish/avatar together? or just sending them as we get them

[round cliff]

all of that should line up together except shield slam and demolish

[sharp gale]

You are green, you shouldn’t be allowed to have an opinion

[round cliff]

brown actually. so ur racist

[pallid quiver]

Based

[sharp gale]

Not even red orc

[round cliff]

all ur cds line up except demolish, theres no saving
if u have demolish but no avatar, press shield wall to get avatar to press demolish

[pallid quiver]

Almost always just send them; holding costs CDR; you mostly only hold to catch big spawns of adds/pack just shy of dead/like a GCD before damage CDs

If you just send your CDs on CD, you'll get more value than holding, and will perform well

[pseudo pike]

👍 ty yall

[elder thorn]

ok so am I going right or left for sacred flame?

[lusty grotto]

left

[elder thorn]

roger thanks

[zenith ridge]

Hey, does anyone have a spell reflect WA that tells people what im trying to reflect and how much I reflected for? I see one for S3 of DF but it doesnt work anymore and gives a lot of lua errors beyond my understanding

[elder thorn]

#updates-midnight message

[zenith ridge]

This one doesnt let people know what im reflecting and for how much though, I have this one

[warm plinth]

@lusty grotto kinda offended you ignored my very loving dm ngl

💔

[lusty grotto]

this one?

[warm plinth]

Yeah, there's a heart

loving

[lusty grotto]

❤️

[warm plinth]

🙂

I was watching the mage's stream on discord for that run

[lusty grotto]

coaching can be fulfilling work

[warm plinth]

Oh I was mostly just mocking

But sure we can call it coaching

[lusty grotto]

def coaching

[pallid quiver]

It's how I coach most my friends, so it's valid

[lusty grotto]

tough love works

[vocal quiver]

Looking for someone to review my logs for some prot feedback and areas of improvement

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zjAchtbLqpPWxVNR?fight=last&type=summary

[lusty grotto]

i suggest opening a topic in #1347646810457636974

but at a quick glance

you need to block more

[pallid quiver]

There's a lot to go over; some interesting talent changes, for one

You opted to grab Bolster, but also only pressed Last Stand 3 times in the key

And you also opted for Sudden Death over Thunderlord as Thane

[lusty grotto]

strange build for sure

[robust cove]

Can you guys keep shield block up 100% or near close now? Im just returning to prot this season. I know you can't spam ignore pain now.

[pallid quiver]

A lot of it is going to be press your buttons on CD, since you had 20 casts of Demo Shout over 28 minutes. Let's cut out 5 minutes and that's all RP or walking. It isn't, but it'll help. Demo Shout, even without Thunderlord, has a CD of less than a minute at 45 seconds. You're not even pressing it on CD, when it gives a damage buff, rage, and defensive value.

[pallid quiver]

They would have to absolutely mangle prot to make shield block not be able to have 100% uptime

[lusty grotto]

that has been the case since last expansion

[pallid quiver]

If you ever have less, you're intentionally picking non-shield block talents, generally to opt into heavy execute and damage focus in raid

That being said, it's uptime in constant combat, so you can drop due to time inbetween packs. There'll also generally be hits that nip your back as you move/gather/etc

[robust cove]

My main focus will be m+. Not raid. Ok so it is possible. I just saw YouTubers saying prot warriors are rage starved so block might fall off or something

[round cliff]

the mental damage youtubers have done to the warrior community needs to be studied

[lusty grotto]

no

those videos might also be old

[round cliff]

backshots r a healer asleep at the wheel check

not my problem

tbh

[lusty grotto]

dont always follow what youtube vids say, take a look at their dates

PTR feedback is not relevant to live

[bleak breach]

So still haven’t managed 4pc, I’ve got gear in my bag that sims high then running 2/2 but not by a lot.
Do I instantly change once it out sims or wait because of dr on old 2pc?

[lusty grotto]

since things changed during it before release

[vocal quiver]

thanks for the quick look, yep i didnt keep block up 100% so obviouosly that would be and appreciate other feedback

[lusty grotto]

whatever sims suggest Sokraxx

[bleak breach]

Yep, so just go with higher simming gear then?

[robust cove]

Gotcha. I'm gonna try out some 10s as prot tomorrow. Colossus prot I guess is the one to go. I did play some already. But I might pressed revenge a little too much that I sometimes I didn't have rage for block on single target boss fights.

[lusty grotto]

get better talents, use our builds

[round cliff]

always have enough rage to not let shield block sit at 2 stacks

if u do that ur uptime is 100%

[lusty grotto]

thats not due to the class, thats a problem with your gameplay

[pallid quiver]

I'd recommend drilling at some dummies for a bit to make sure you're not missing things coming off CD, as well as making sure you're keeping your rage from capping. If you want more detailed feedback for you specifically, you can make a thread in the help-and-log-review channel like Nim suggested

[lusty grotto]

but youre on the right track if you identified the problem

[robust cove]

Sounds good I appreciate the help.

[vocal quiver]

same appreciate the dual feedback going on here.

[pallid quiver]

Excuse me, I'm dropping shield block because i've got executes to slam while ravager is going off, thank you

[round cliff]

W

[pallid quiver]

You can just press SB during it since it's off GCD, but that's not funny

[robust cove]

Yes damage over block

[round cliff]

pressing sb means less execute

[pallid quiver]

and sb increases SS damage, which is stronger anyway, especially with outburst

[calm lodge]

duskthread or dawnthread at low ilvl?

vers im guessing?

[mighty valley]

they are extremely close and the embellishment values are not that high

[calm lodge]

ok cool

ty

[mighty valley]

whichever one feels more exciting

[vital vale]

does spell block makes all sources of magic damage blockable? including floor stuff like fire circles? or aoe magic damage like mechagon junk dog? or does it only work on direct magic hits to you?

[pallid quiver]

Literally 100% depends

If Blizz marks a source of damage as blockable with spell block, it's blockable

Rule of thumb is that usually only direct, initial magic hits are spell blockable

[vital vale]

ah so gotta refer to the spell reflection spreadsheet

[pallid quiver]

but sometimes those aren't

You can also just raw experiment, as well

[vital vale]

raw is good

[pallid quiver]

For example, the bubbles that the fish miniboss in floodgate spawn are actually spellblockable, even though they're pretty much floor effects

Also, while dots are usually not spell blockable, sometimes they are.

The large majority of blockable dots have been in raid, though, as a heads up

[vital vale]

oh that's nice, tho I've seen conflicting opinions on whether not tank soaking those is necassary

[vital vale]

hmm ok thanks

[pallid quiver]

Spell Block makes you take absolutely miniscule amounts of damage from them, so you often might as well

[vital vale]

does it work on PSF 2nd boss soak?

[pallid quiver]

Crit Blocks from spell block can go past the usual damage reduction cap, making it so you can effectively immune some things if you're lucky enough

I don't think so off the top of my head, but I could be wrong

[vital vale]

ait

[stray sonnet]

any good as a dps trinket?

not this one sorry

[lusty grotto]

its garbage

[stray sonnet]

i meant this one

[lusty grotto]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear#trinkets

its okay

[stray sonnet]

i didnt see it on there

weird

[lusty grotto]

i see it just fine

[slender bison]

Why do Thane builds always go with Champ Spear and Colossus builds with Thunder Roar?

[lusty grotto]

because burst

thane = bursty

using spear with colossus is also acceptable

its just troar is easier to get mobs with and land

which also applies to thane

spear is better dps slightly but at the cost of having to land it on the entire pull etc

thane has no issues with setting up pulls with big claps and TB

so spear is better, plus burst like i mentioned

[slender bison]

Got it.

[hasty matrix]

I apologize if this has been asked over and over or I'm blind. Most guides for other specs just have a section for it but I didn't see it in the FAQ wowhead or icy veins guide. I'm also so new it probably doesn't matter but when we are breaking our tier set from last season? Right when we get 2 or wait until 4?

[slender bison]

When you get 2, you should already have 2 catalysts. If you make M+ rating you'll get a 3rd on the spot

And with lucky vault a 4th piece

[hasty matrix]

I was thinking 2 because more stam/str with this seems like more important than the tier bonuses. Thank you so much for confirming Cluster. I appreciate it.

[slender bison]

Btw delve slots also drop tier sets

It's rare, but it can happen

[lusty grotto]

yeah swap with 2pc asap

and whatever sims suggest

s1 tier sucks balls

so ilvl might beat it

[hasty matrix]

Yeah, I've seen that. This is an Alt of mine so I'm just starting him up this season but to be honest. I enjoy prot. I am currently Mountain Thane because that is what I learned late last season but I hear Colossus is pumping and should be what I look at as I start to do keys so I'm excited to learn some more.

[slender bison]

Colossus won't be so pumping next week

[hasty matrix]

I was thinking of just Simming to get that information but I wasn't sure if a DPS sim was the right thing for a tank because I assumed DPS wasn't the most important thing? This is my first time tanking in a long time though so Its probably. learn to take on the class... the DPS as much as possible while staying alive haha.

[lusty grotto]

we sim dps

thats the only thing you can sim

go raidbots and sim 1 patchwork 3 mins for ST

5 patchwerks 1 min or 1.5 mins for AOE

[hasty matrix]

Yeah, I figured. I just wasn't sure if that is what should tell me to break tier or not. Otherwise, for other upgrades that is what I've been doing. Though, the specifics you just mentioned are great. I'll save those.

[lusty grotto]

s1 tier offers absolute dogshit defensiveness, its not a compromise you can make when higher ilvl has more strength, stam and armor

and haste

so the sim is spot on

higher dps for prot often results in higher defensiveness

[hasty matrix]

Yeah but in the pinned message I saw it was roughly a 5% nerf? I ran with a prot warrior that did like 2.4M DPS and was the top in the dungeon lol. So I think they would still be pumping with the nerf.

[hasty matrix]

Thank you, I'll keep all of that in mind moving forward. I really appreciate the responses.

[slender bison]

Might wanna avoid the chest piece transmute, since the tier one has Mastery. Go with legs/shoulders/gauntlets. Chest bis is in Cinderbrew

[lusty grotto]

false

[cerulean tusk]

True

Warrior dead

Go monk

Invest invest

[hasty matrix]

Alrighty, time to start getting some gear. Thank you for all the information! Guess I'll do LFR or something real quick to knock the rust off, maybe some delves for vault and jump into some keys.

[lusty grotto]

funky dont meme lurkers lol

[cerulean tusk]

The DPS loss is what 4-6%? We still got demolish
We gonna still crush out dam

[hasty matrix]

How far behind Colossus would you say % wise Mountain Thane is? I hear its more tanky for higher keys.

[lusty grotto]

its not tankier

thats wrong

its a lot more aoe dps though

[raw parcel]

Kinda wish it was tankier. I actually would prefer to be Mountain Thane.

[lusty grotto]

its about the same defensivewise, with thane being easier

[hasty matrix]

Oh my understanding was more rage generation for more ignore pain kinda thing. Sorry, my misunderstanding I guess.

[lusty grotto]

ignore pain is not our main mit

and it shouldnt be the very first thing that comes to mind when it comes to defensiveness

colossus has a way to manage it

[pallid quiver]

Thane is a non-determinate amount tankier due to the extra rage; you siphon a slight amount more off with IP, and you also AM Shield Walls back faster

problem is that it is a non-determinate amount tankier

[cerulean tusk]

Well, Thane do have TB dam red, better demo shout and more freedom to use IP. But meh

[pallid quiver]

Tankiness is already hard to evaluate, and it's not by much that it'd be farther ahead

[old flame]

I know there's a cheat sheet and a trinket list on wowhead but what do you guys think is a solid trinket setup? Raid vs m+ and anyone have experience with the galywix shield? I have a champ version and the proc is negligible on logs

[pallid quiver]

whatever trinkies in my bags that sim highest

[old flame]

Lol obviously, but what do you plan on targeting as a setup is more the question

[pallid quiver]

whatever trinkies drop from the dungeons my key rolls

so

jack fuck all since i keep getting sent to darkflame and top mines

[cerulean tusk]

I like having a d option, like mud. A on use dam option like time.
Then I combine those based on what I am doing with a passive Trinky like alch stone or sea

[old flame]

I got a champ house of cards from vault and a hero scrap field

[cerulean tusk]

I give up, auto correct won't let me spell

[hasty matrix]

So with all that said, how far behind is Mountain Thane on the DPS charts? I guess I could just go look lol

[raw parcel]

Do any of the trinket changes impact us? Haven't seen a TLDR post on it.

[lusty grotto]

way far in aoe

close or better in ST

can just sim with the talent builds to see the numbers

[cerulean tusk]

Ok, but hear me out

Clap is 360

Eh? Ehhhh eh?

[lusty grotto]

[slender bison]

Microsoft Thunder Clap 365

[old flame]

Mobs behind you are fixing to stab you in a soft bit

[lusty grotto]

mormon loophole not allowed

illegal

[old flame]

Lol 😂

[jagged gust]

What's the stipulation for lightspawn's giant aoe burst of light in priory? Is there a health % I can watch out for or something?

[lusty grotto]

im not exactly sure at what percent but

should be in execute range just about

[remote anchor]

its 30%

[lusty grotto]

they auto die anyway, just kick casters and move everything out so they dont get healed

close

[dusky cargo]

are their any prot warrior sites or guides that go over what is blockable with spell reflect and suggest individual talent trees for each fight?

[raw parcel]

I think there's a weakaura for reflect.

Actually, speaking of... anyone have the link for that? My lazy ass should probably add that.

[jagged pier]

and wowhead for talents but talents dont change per boss

[final gust]

any auras that track luck of the draw? trying to make one for myself didn't work

[young meadow]

i just hit a 25m demolish

feeling big rn

[granite briar]

way to be a fuckin baller getting that pin up so fast you're the goat

[sand condor]

How does our set bonus work. Do i have to save my shield charge for luck of the draw?

[young wasp]

No

[sand condor]

Nvm my reading comprehension is awful

[young wasp]

I can send you mine if you're ok listening to fetty wap

[young wasp]

.

[sand condor]

Does it just

Play fettywap each time it procs

[young wasp]

Yes

And bridget dances

[sand condor]

Thats nilarious

[final gust]

ty

oh LMAO

that's amazing

[young wasp]

In all seriousness finding the right spell ID for each classes proc is annoying but if you get it, should work the same as any buff trigger aura

[past cobalt]

is there anything special to look out for playing colossus in m+? since you spend so much time pressing revenge that you don't generate as much rage or is it not that big a difference?

[lunar dawn]

do you think we will still be 1st dps of tanks even after nerfs?

[past cobalt]

I've seen DH tanks put up big numbers when I've been doing keys on my FDK

[lusty grotto]

are you sure about that

also its likely BDK overtakes us

[past cobalt]

might just be the people I usually play with then lmao

is prot damage mostly just the colossus revenge build, or does it also apply to Thane?

[lusty grotto]

thane isnt even close

that's for keys

for ST/raid its a different story

[raw parcel]

I know this isn't the VDH chat, but I am curious how impactful their nerf will be on the meta. They got nerfed, we got nerfed, wondering if either is gonna shift the meta at all.

[rancid tiger]

#doubt their control

[golden ravine]

I play both BDK and prot warr and I dont get why people think BDK does more damage, the only time it does more damage is if you get a lucky blood beast at the start of a pull :/

[lunar dawn]

after the nerfs i think bdk will do for sure more

[sand condor]

Ngl. As long as we have atrocious utility, we will never be on top truly

Maybe if the silence taunt roar was a 30 sec cd we’d be strong enough

[golden ravine]

yeah, the other thing which I found real funny was in ToP the "savage assault" will literally put a BDK yoyoing from 100 - 30% constantly ... warrior can literally afk on it and stay at 100% lol

[lusty coyote]

Where is this from again? 😄

[dense remnant]

That's just dk hp bar being dk hp bar

Nothing out of the ordinary

[golden ravine]

yeah, but I mean ... thats why I don't think it's so bad if DK DPS was higher .... it's very very hard to push into high keys as a BDK compared to others

well, not higher ... but as it is I should say

[dense remnant]

Meanwhile playing bdk enables pulls that no other tank can do cos of grips

Gg

[frigid valley]

do i press execute outside of bosses in keys if im specced into revenge stuff and not exe?

[fierce light]

so much buttons....

where do i even start

[dense cradle]

didnt they only get a minor parry nerf

[raw parcel]

5% during spikes, which... I dunno, seems impactful?

Not really familiar with VDH so can only go by vibes.

[dense cradle]

Not really no

surprised vdh damage is that low

[fleet swift]

so ive been tanking some as colossus, and debating on checking out mountain thame a bit

I know you guys suggested thame to start playing tank warrior

as i understood it, more rage and easier to play while colossus is less forgiving in rage spending?

[fierce light]

slap on the wrist nerf

[rocky crest]

dunno man, all I see is DH's and loladins that are getting accepted in 13++ keys

ded pugscene for me it seems #frustrated

[grim pilot]

Its how always will be

[rocky crest]

Just started colossus over MT and yeah. it's abit less forgiving on spending rage and it feels you have to be more precise on cd's etc. But the damage is insane as it has been pointed out in here

[grim pilot]

The easier it is to reroll

The more meta-y it’ll look like

[rocky crest]

been protting since tbc

[grim pilot]

Further into the season as well

[rocky crest]

not changing now due to meta slave

[fierce light]

i rather see dh over prot pal any day

[rocky crest]

aye it's sad that you never truly know how high you could go in pugging. Could always try to form a team

how come @fierce light

more cc ? over CR and off heal

[fierce light]

more entertaining

prot pal is brainless

[rocky crest]

[fierce light]

and funny enough its gonna be meta again since it was un-nerfed even though its the other "S tier" tank

call me biased though i play vdh

[grim pilot]

Looking at tier lists is so bad

We dont know what .5 brings

Or .7

Right now people are doing whatever current high keys are on any tank

[fierce light]

triple ret brewmaster season bro

get ready

[grim pilot]

Ppal is strong

Its overlooked rn a bit

[fierce light]

id love a brew meta

[grim pilot]

Most people play vdh

[fierce light]

its fun

[grim pilot]

Idc what tank is meta i just want unkillable tanks in my group

If tank is playing good he can survive anything

[fierce light]

well

any tank can live

[grim pilot]

Current keys maybe

But its baby keys

People dont have gear

[fierce light]

17s are already being timed

i wouldnt be suprised if china is timing 18+

already

[grim pilot]

Yes and last season went to 21

Its going to be similar now

[fierce light]

yeah but title range wont be that high (most likely)

[grim pilot]

It wont

[fierce light]

so it doesnt matter

[grim pilot]

Nobody knows how high it will be

[fierce light]

eh meta talk doesnt really matter to me

[grim pilot]

Well it theoretically could be depending on what blizzard does

[fierce light]

ima play the same classes anyways

if its a good season for my class yay

if not whatever

i just want the meta to be entertaining to watch

[prisma echo]

Its so refreshing plaing tank in s2 compared to s2

[fierce light]

and not another ppal meta, or god forbid gdruid

[prisma echo]

i dont know if its key changes, less tankbusters and spells, gear (propably all)

[grim pilot]

Guardian druid is one of the best metas

Its easy

Hard to fuck up

[winged brook]

Does it matter which one hander I would craft?

[fierce light]

easy metas are not entertaining though

[fierce light]

no

[fierce light]

though i do play it when im drunk

and id agree it is enjoyable pressing 3 buttons and living through everything

[winged brook]

cheers

[fierce light]

[prisma echo]

Technicly it matters you dont want int sword xd

[winged brook]

https://tenor.com/view/correct-futurama-the-best-kind-of-correct-yes-yep-gif-5787390

[oak ivy]

didn't a liquid raider do that

iirc a monk crafted an agi staff instead of int staff and played ww instead of the planned mw

[static blaze]

hey guys im here cause a prot warrior friend has massive aggro problems in bigger pulls (+12-13 keys) hes very greedy with his stances and often pulls in bstance. could this be the problem?
is dstance generating more aggro even with face aggro?

[mild river]

Stance has nothing to do with aggro.

[jagged pier]

There no point for him to be in bstance it gives like 3% crit at the less forfree dr

Stances have fucj all to do with aggro

Cant really tell u unless u have logs

[mild river]

Really?

[jagged pier]

The dps are ither too greed

[static blaze]

oh i thought dstance generating more threat

[jagged pier]

Or hes playing wrong

[jagged pier]

No that went years ago unless its hidden

Dstance should just be free dr

20% i think

I have forgor because u may as well just be in it as u loose no damage for being in it now

Expect 3% crit of course which is very very low for the trade off

[static blaze]

ye true

[jagged pier]

Maybe its 15% but yer if aggro issues is ither greedy dps or a bad rotation or both

But cant tell without logs

[static blaze]

okay

[mild river]

I always tell my pug groups that at the start of pull, sometimes I don't have enough rage to hit every single pack so they go slow mode dps

[static blaze]

what would be a perfect opener in a bigger pull for max threat generation?

[jagged pier]

Thats not how it works

It varies literally every pull with what abilities u ahve off cd

How many packs your pulling

Where your planning to pull them too

Etc etc

[mild river]

Don't your group has a hunter or rogue that can help with misdirection or tricks?

[static blaze]

okay

[mild river]

And we have an aoe taunt every 2 minutes I think. Or it's 1.5 min. I don't remember

[static blaze]

nah im just puggin with him, im also playing with other pug tanks and hes the only one that has this problems

but i have no idea of warrior tech so

[jagged pier]

So poonts to bad tank

[static blaze]

ye

[jagged pier]

Log some keys with him

[static blaze]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4PJ78HDRhxzwKXm3?fight=3&type=summary

found one

[fickle ridge]

he doesnt have ravager specced? Id say thats a spell that can help out here, dont you usually take it?

[jagged pier]

I mean it appears hes thunderclaping then moving on to the next pack or heroic throwing a nother pack thunderclap isnt enough for threat as colossus

Ravager also good for throwing on a far pack to pull in

[mild river]

Bloodsurge has an internal cd? or it's possible to mass proc in a big pull?

[jagged pier]

It has a icd

[shy python]

But you do generate more rage in big pulls

#protection message

You can mass pull, cast one IP and then spam Revenge like a boss to keep IP up.

[heavy topaz]

What are the best crafts for prot running m+?

[strong forum]

Bloodsurge's proc chance works with sqrt, so while the proc rate increased per target, it's highest proc rate per target is at 5, after that it gets less and less on a per target basis

It's entire purpose is to be good on big pulls, moderately useful on smaller ones and meh on single target

[opal vale]

People going left or right in Priory? Saw Tactyks video saying go right but every run I do people go left.

[toxic pewter]

Left

[onyx vessel]

right sucks

[tacit hornet]

Right requires you to coordinate a bit more on the boss and the mini-boss on the forge absolutely fills the ground with shit.

[mild river]

I think it fills the ground with shit ONLY if the miniboss melees the tank. If somehow the tank can kite, it's "easier" but we lose too much dps.

Bc of that, i always go left

[strong forum]

Left is safer

[vale escarp]

Right way makes the boss a bit easier (If people Interrupt), but got harder trash. Tried both ways but for now I go left.

[strong forum]

Right makes the boss easier for the tank but not the dps

Left makes the boss still easy for the tank but safer for the dps

Left is controlled consistent dmg, right requires kick rotation and comes with lots of dodging aka cringe

And if a kick fails on right side, you basically wipe

You don't want the boss to lunge onto a dps in the middle of firestorm either

And be cc'd in a swirly

[toxic pewter]

Right sounds miserable, yet keep seeing people advocate for it.. very strange

[strong forum]

I've not seen anybody play right side

The miniboss itself is also turbo cancer

Infinite kiting

[opal vale]

I only tanked it once, went left and was getting nearly killed by the boss miniboss so looked up videos and saw tactyks saying go right in this video so was wondering if I did something wrong https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq10aHFreL8

but will keep left

cheers

[strong forum]

You just need a healer who isn't afk

When going left

And you're gucci

Get dispelled 0.1 of the judgement

And actually get healed

Have SWs for the overlap of bleed + judgement initial hit

And you take 0 dam

[faint smelt]

I’m new here so forgive me. Are there any good & dependable WA for spell reflect that cover keys & raid?

[strong forum]

There are only a literal handful of things you can reflect as tank

Like almost nothing

Dps gets to reflect things here and there but tank practically has 0

So just use SR for the magic mitigation rather than trying to "reflect"

[quick iron]

I miss the wind boss from Nokhud, beating dps with spell reflects :'(

[strong forum]

Things like that are why almost nothing is reflectable anymore

It's mostly spell reduction these days

Instead of reflect

[frozen berry]

Blizzard says warriors can’t have fun

[strong forum]

Well yeah

They keep buffing the classes who already outperform us

Be it tank or dps

Very funny thing

[toxic pewter]

The community is happy and jovial whenever warr is weak

A weak warr is a good warr

That is modern retail wow

[frozen berry]

VDH and Pally make up 50% of the tanks

So gotta keep them happy I guess

[vocal flame]

Yeah, I don’t understand it. The monk damage nerf I get, they were leagues ahead in damage. Prot wars really didn’t need any nerf. Crippled by utility, so damage is our good thing. Decreasing it at all is silly, but we all know how Blizzard is.

[ionic yarrow]

Is there an updated trinket tier list?

[rancid tiger]

Dmg outliers always nerfrf

If warrior

Prot warrior did need it in .+

[tepid nest]

how is 2nd boss ML intended to be tanked? do i just sit and take bleed stacks hoping the dps kill it fast, do i perma kite, or just try and look for reset angles/dwarfs/defensives at high stacks?

[mint shadow]

dont tank the adds and you wont get stacks

[strong forum]

its intended for everyone to kill the big add

even you

you shouldnt get more than 5 stacks

[mint shadow]

dps can either blow them up, CC them, or kite them. but if they blow them up, they will just respawn. you only kill the empowered one ASAP, which i usually do tank but it goes down fast enough its not a problem

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/TbWZ8EU.png

highest stacks i reached in this +12 was 4

[dense remnant]

wait, that boss has a bleed mechanic?

[strong forum]

successful melee attacks from the adds afflict a stacking bleed

yes

[dense remnant]

had no idea

[strong forum]

hence why range kites/ccs the small one infinitely

and the big one has to die asap

the big one takes 150% or 200% extra damage

[dense remnant]

guess the motherlode's i did had a guild group of decently geared players that hit the mo

only dmg i noticed in motherlode was rixxa or w/e her name is, and the miniboss before that 3rd boss if i wasnt looking at the dot timer

[strong forum]

ML is a really good key for us

and 3rd boss is w/e she never attacks more than 3 times in a row

mostly only once or twice between casts

[dense remnant]

yeah, its aight, just only time hp bar rly moves

man, i think imma sit on my 120 gilded crests and a spark until next vault

feels a bit meh, but no big reason for me to send stuff

on driving duty on stix and living aint an issue

[strong forum]

if you dont have good myth pieces, ye sure

[dense remnant]

only thing i would do with them is craft either a neck or a chest, and im prolly getting next rik neck

plus no myth pieces to upgrade

[tall rampart]

dusted off my prot warrior again and started doing some m+ for the 2nd boss in priory for the soaks, is there anything good warriors can do to drastically reduce the damage or do multiple soaks?

[strong forum]

you can do 2 soaks if you go immediately back-to-back

[solid sun]

Will spell reflect handle mitigating both

Or shield wall angle

[strong forum]

both

you can also reflect castigator shield

[jagged girder]

Last boss hits me really hard, spell neither shield blocks work

[strong forum]

he barely attacks aswell

spellblock works

[stray lichen]

for the cloak enchantment should I get the one with leech or avoidance.

[strong forum]

SW works, SR works

leeeeeeeeech

[stray lichen]

ok thank you

[jagged girder]

It's fire, right?

Last boss "melees"

[neon elk]

Thats the one right before big aoe ?

[strong forum]

that is the avengers shield

[small steeple]

What do you just stand in it to get the spell reflect?

[dense remnant]

prolly means the application

[small steeple]

I dont think that one targets the tank

Unless I've just been un/lucky in that regard

[vital vale]

it targets the tank and yeah it leaves the big aoe on everyone it hits

it bounces anyway so doesn't matter who it targets

[small steeple]

huh?

[strong forum]

it bounces, doesnt target the tank

but it can bounce to the tank

so you can reflect the bounce

and do like 5mil dmg for free

[small steeple]

what which ability is castagor shield then, I thought it was the massive swirlies

[strong forum]

the boss has only 3 abilities.

1 soak

1 the spinning hammers

[vital vale]

it is the massive swirlies yeah

[strong forum]

and one the GIGA BIG CIRCLE that spawns from castigator shields

[vital vale]

but they spawn from an avengers shield hit on you

[small steeple]

Then it doesn't bounce? unless it only spawns a circle after? So its a 2 part spell?

[vital vale]

don't reflect the actual swirlie damage

[strong forum]

it bounces from player to play

[vital vale]

it spawns swirly when it hits

[strong forum]

and it spawns the circle after it hits a player

if you reflect the bounce, you dont spawn a circle

[small steeple]

ok i didn't realize that, i thought it just was the circle

[strong forum]

and it does dmg to the boss

[small steeple]

ok so yeah i see it

[tepid nest]

ye i got 6-10 stacks on every add XDDDD. dps just not focussing it i guess

[strong forum]

yup

[mint shadow]

anyone got a video or explanation of a non-NE warrior doing a death skip on the last pack in mechagon?

[small steeple]

I'd expect it works like most death skips but death skips aren't really worth it anymore with the added time deaths have

oh wait thats only in 12+ now isn't it

[strong forum]

heroic leap

or LITERAL last pack

the 2 robots + 1 defender

or the 6 mob pull before that

[mint shadow]

either really

[strong forum]

you cant skip the very last pack

the 6 mob pull you can just leap onto the stairs

from the side

[mint shadow]

i just watched a DH fear/meld skip, was wondering if we had anything similar

[strong forum]

we cant help the group

to skip it

[mint shadow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwWZP84_LJY

[strong forum]

but you can soothe the pack with priest and just walk around it

you can heroic leap it

you can warlock gate skip it

you can invis pot on the side

[small steeple]

I just bring a warlock when I do workshop

Makes it nice and easy

[unborn island]

Wait you can just walk past with a priest?

I didn't think there was space

[unborn island]

You can suicide I think? Tactyks does it in his second mechagon video, you basically run in, kick one tinker, tag in the pack at the top, then run to the right hand wall, die once everyone past

Tbh, I prefer to just pot or something

[slender bison]

Wait, where do you get % in mechagon if you skip last?

[strong forum]

you overcount by just pressing W

that entire pack doesnt need to be pulled and you dont need to pull extra

[winged pawn]

question for the pros here - im trying to do the following pull for priory. i TC the first 4 mobs up front and try to gather the other mobs. but by the time i agro all of them, the first four i already lost agro and they're killing the team? i wish i had a video but can anyone help with this?

[viral jackal]

Is this the door/room entering the second boss?

[winged pawn]

first pull

[viral jackal]

First pull is kind of weird with those four guys and then all the patrols. I like to ping midway through the opening tunnel. I tend to leap/thunder clap those four. About half way in tunnel

And grab patrols as they swing by

[jagged girder]

Tell them to not get off the mount?

[viral jackal]

Usually issue is healer pulling heal threat

[toxic pewter]

thats wild dps attacking those 4 before grouping is finished

wat lol

[viral jackal]

I’d keep them close and challenging shout it honestly

[toxic pewter]

rend ticks alone will be fine to keep them aggro'd on you

[jagged girder]

Heal ripping your tc aggro? Never happened to me

[viral jackal]

I’ve done priory 10+ and I’ve seen it - your group just has to be on it

If you clap and throw a devastate or two in your way to second packs you’ll be ok

[jagged girder]

Devastate? You mean revenge?

[tepid nest]

devastate 🤔

[toxic pewter]

never happened to me

[viral jackal]

Oops revenge 😂

Been playing warrior too long

[tepid nest]

it shouldnt happen, a single TC should be enough

[jagged girder]

Neither to me

[toxic pewter]

like why u even taking damage as grouping

[jagged girder]

Rend only carries your healer's aggro by far

[toxic pewter]

tc and leap away

[jagged girder]

Also what's the healer even healing?

[violet ginkgo]

healer will heal the damage party received

[solid sun]

What damage is the party receiving from four footmen chasing the tank who is out of melee range of them

[winged pawn]

okay thanks

i use my group taunt too after i gather but yeah

[solid sun]

I jump over the footmen while mounted and tc on top of them

And the momentum carries me and then I charge the first pack I can get to

[prisma echo]

+10 brew 😄 im proud of myself

[winged pawn]

nice name

[solid sun]

Good job, mate. Grats on the portal

Is arms actually cranking

Or are the two wizards underperforming

[prisma echo]

is 2.2k good dps? 😄

im proud mostly about it

NOT BAD

More experienced lads is here something to change/improve/press more?

[small steeple]

whys your SS damage so low? At least I think it is. Let me check a log of my own to compare

[prisma echo]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zGdVwJaqhrgHDY4y?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=2

[small steeple]

like this is a 10 rookery I did

You have more TRoar casts than me,

[prisma echo]

so press more shield slams

[small steeple]

Ah I see

you have 200 TC

casts

How many Violent Outburst are spent on TC instead of SS

Big rage and priority damage boost

[prisma echo]

1. More shield slams 2. more VO to look (i totally dont track it now)

NOTED

[small steeple]

That was the biggest thing I've learned, is to make sure to never spend outburst on TC, and if I don't have SS then use revenge to fish for SS to spend it on

[orchid frigate]

tried out tanking a bit and wonder how i should deal with the bleed on first boss?

in priory

[mighty valley]

Use Dwarf racial if you have it, get cauterized, use CDs, get healed

Kind of all the options

[opal escarp]

Sorry I didn't see this in the pins, how much closer are the two Hero talents now after the Colossus nerfs?

[small steeple]

Didn't really change much. Col will do way more damage, and MT can potentially be tankier depending on some factors

[opal escarp]

Okay thank you

[vague abyss]

damn they nerfed colussus hard no? fun detected, tanks arent supposed to do dps levels of damage

so what now, we stay on colossus or go back to thane?

[small steeple]

not at all. slap on the wrist

instead of maybe a 3m overall dps, its 2.85m overall dps for example

[vague abyss]

oh cool, so i can still flex on my guildies when i do more damage than them on my low level keys then 😄

[small steeple]

oh yeah

[vague abyss]

i have yet to hit those numbers though :(, at best in doing 2m dps, but most likely 1.5m. I guess we need gigapulls to reach those numbers, so we hit the most we can with Demolish and Revenge*?

[small steeple]

The higher the key, the bigger the pulls are usually

[unborn island]

The other factor is how quickly bosses die. If your team is pugs and you spend forever on single target bosses, your numbers will be lower.

[vague abyss]

yeah it seems like im doing bad, but im legit doing as much as the dps or even more (much to the dismay of the people i tend to run xD)

[vocal pewter]

For somewhat lower keys 9-13, do people prefer ascendence or double dawn/dusk thread

[mighty valley]

the difference is tiny but typically threads

if a weapon refuses to drop for you and you prio crafting it then ascendance is fine

overall embellishments are even smaller than last season for us, when they were already very minor

[mighty valley]

some dps specs take some time to ramp up while we don’t at all, plus higher keys have better players, so generally you won’t gatekeep dps players as much in higher keys

[lofty glen]

can you guys rank teh easyest key on 10+ to the heaviest as prot?

[vocal pewter]

I’m debating on crafting an off piece or just sending a 1h after vault of course. I won’t ever mythic raid just heroic raid and m+ so trying to weigh the differences

[stiff gate]

is brutal vitality just really really bad, or do the ignore pain buff stacks not reflect it? im watching a vod of myself and my IP buff stacks never go up without me either pressing the button or using something else that actually grants an ignore pain

i can be sitting there doing 4-5m dps and the stacks don't seem to go up

maybe the update rate is really slow on it and its just getting overpowered by damage taken?

[mighty valley]

I’ve noticed this too, the default tooltip number doesn’t seem to change even when I’m doing open world content and taking basically no damage

Will have to do more deliberate testing

[mighty valley]

The difference is tiny, just slap the relevant embellishment on whatever you end up crafting

[small steeple]

Brutal Vitality doesn't actually cast IP. So if IP isn't up, nothing gets leached to it.

Its really strong

Also not sure what you mean by IP stacks exactly

[mighty valley]

they’re referring to the % that’s displayed on the default tooltip starting this patch

[small steeple]

Why would Brutal Vitality effect that?

And tbh not quite sure what you mean, I would need to see it

[mighty valley]

it’s a number that indicates what % of the IP cap you’re at, so it should go up when you do damage thanks to brutal vit

[prisma echo]

Oh boi TOP last boss is laughable on warrior 😄 compared to DH

[mighty valley]

now imagine it if you could reflect scythe

[prisma echo]

bruv

scythe hit for 0

for me

[small steeple]

Spell Block do be like that

[mighty valley]

it used to hit for literal zero and do a gajillion damage to the boss instead

[prisma echo]

Adds casting? Laugh in spell block

[torn gulch]

we used to reflect scythe in ToP the dot on rixxa in ML etc etc

but reflect is too powerful i guess for blizzard

[prisma echo]

how can i check in logs on what skill i used violate outburst?

TC or SS

[warm plinth]

Damage Done, click the Violent Outburst filter

[prisma echo]

so this mean i used 16 times on TC right?

[stiff gate]

I'm aware. I am talking about having IP active, and doing damage, and the stacks (that display what % of the IP cap you're at) don't go up, which would indicate that my damage isn't actually adding to my IP. I'm just trying to figure out if its bugged, or the UI doesn't display correctly, or the update rate of the buff stacks is so slow that I just don't see it going up because it goes down more per update than it goes up.

[warm plinth]

Yes

[prisma echo]

Pressing revenge is not "eating" proc right?

[warm plinth]

Correct

[prisma echo]

https://tenor.com/view/good-news-thumbs-up-gif-26519262

[warm plinth]

That filter is basically what buttons were pressed while you had the VO buff

[prisma echo]

Thanks man for helping

[warm plinth]

Now I'll admit I have not played since December, but since when does IP have a stack count on it

Are you sure you aren't looking at something else

[stiff gate]

this patch

its new

[warm plinth]

Weird

[stiff gate]

it just stacks between 1 and 100 to show what % of the cap you're at

makes it easier to track with WA which is nice

[warm plinth]

Yeah I suppose that's true

[warm plinth]

Have you checked the tooltip after doing damage to see if the amount changes there?

[stiff gate]

no i just noticed today while watching a vod, ill have to check the tooltip later when im off work

[warm plinth]

That's what I'd look at first; it could just be an issue with the display not updating properly when the IP value goes up other than by pressing IP

[stiff gate]

yeah i figured it could definitely be a UI issue

just wondering if it was a known issue people had seen

[wide charm]

I'm curious what other tanks do in keys --- as I'm only playing my prot war this season so I haven't actually seen any --- in 12s I generally do like 1.6m~
but I don't have 4pc 658il --------
Are other tanks so far behind that we actually needed that damage nerf?

Nerf is coming tuesday yea?

[stiff gate]

if the only metric you look at is dps, then yes nerfing prot warrior dps makes sense.

in 12/13 keys i pretty consistently do between 2.2-2.5m depending on the key, some people here probably do more than that though

[warm plinth]

They are implemented on Tuesday with reset

[stiff gate]

obviously stuff like theater you'll be lower since there's not much aoe

[warm plinth]

(or Wednesday for the EU peeps)

[wide charm]

Saiyoran are you using execute talents or something? I'm not sure how the difference is that vast

[stiff gate]

no, im dropping indom and bsv though for ravager and both shield charge bonus points

[wide charm]

like my dmg taken - healing done usually works out to 330k~~~

[stiff gate]

and playing itf instead of HR

[wide charm]

Does the 4pc give you that much dmg?

I've gotten giga fucked on tier, 0 from all 3 weeks of heroic, normal, even did LFR

it's gross

[warm plinth]

Unlucky

[stiff gate]

that's unfortunate, at least you'll just be able to get 4 set for free pretty soon

[wide charm]

yeah and those are full clears--- one heroic gally I rolled a 91, 95, 96 on the 3 curios

lost all 3

pretty awesome

Do y'all think most of my missing dmg then is just from 4pc (obv plus the talent changes that it allows)

[floral bronze]

are there any haste thresholds? im running around with almost 16k haste and i think stacking more is kinda useless

[stiff gate]

im not sure about how much the 4pc does for us. looked back at a few dungeons though and for 13s i am closer to 2.1-2.2m, i think the 2.5m number i had in my head was from keys i was doing that were 10-12 and i didnt need to care much about playing defensively

[wide charm]

Yeah I did a 10 in raid spec (more execute talents) and that floodgate I was at 2.2

[floral bronze]

didnt feel a big dmg increase getting my 4pc tbh, maybe like 1-2% or so

[stiff gate]

but overall dps is also a hard metric to judge by because we might be doing totally different routes in some of these keys

[strong forum]

4pc is ~8% dmg increase

2pc is ~7%

[wide charm]

is that additive, like 15% total?

[strong forum]

ye like 15-17% gain

[floral bronze]

even in M+?

[wide charm]

hmm

[strong forum]

yes cuz you get more uptime on battering ram

and more frequent SC uses

[wide charm]

So yea it would put me pretty close to 1.9-2m dps if I had it

[strong forum]

and guaranteed SS crits

[stiff gate]

battering ram uptime is kinda crazy

[wide charm]

Also just IL, I think 658 is pretty low atm frankly

[strong forum]

658 is only like 5ilvl behind

not that low

[floral bronze]

yeah thats true, maybe im just misremembering how much dmg i did only having 2pc, got 4pc week 2

[wide charm]

I guess but 5il is significant don't ya think?

[strong forum]

5ilvl is 5%

nothing more nothing less

[floral bronze]

btw nomeratur, do you know if there is a haste threshold?

[strong forum]

for what

[wide charm]

Hmm makes sense to me, with a ~20% dmg buff I'd be over 2m overall in keys

[floral bronze]

like when it starts giving diminishing returns. i have 16k haste atm and 2 haste procc trinkets and idk if stacking more is useful

[strong forum]

you want minimum 16k for keys, 18k++ ideally

[stiff gate]

just looked at a log of 14 rookery where i had 54% battering ram uptime that feels pretty crazy high lol

[wide charm]

neat -- makes sense to me, hopefully I get a fucking piece of tier finally in vault

[strong forum]

if you have less than 16k haste you have to play a different talent to make up for lack of block uptime

ideally you want around 19-20k

and well more is always better

[floral bronze]

which talent would i switch if had like 18k haste?

[wide charm]

That's not true with 4pc though no? Or is it too unreliable? I thought 4pc let you swap to ITF anyways

[strong forum]

ah right

with that you can maybe go like 14k

maybe as low as 12k idk

[amber wedge]

What are you dropping for battering RAM for keys usually

[strong forum]

indom

Colossus doesnt have the rage expendature to get good value out of it

since they almost deleted the talent in tww

[floral bronze]

what talent choices are you talking about switching if i have a ton of haste?

[strong forum]

from heavy repercussions to ITF

[floral bronze]

ah im already playing ITF only having 16k haste, dont really have problems with SB uptime, ty for answering

[amber wedge]

I see makes sense

[strong forum]

correct

cuz 16k is the minimum (pre 4pc)

to have good enough SB uptime for weekly keys

[floral bronze]

so 16k++ + 4pc + ITF is BiS then?

[strong forum]

no you want more than 16k

[amber wedge]

I havent played thane at all do you drop something else there