protection

[neon elk]

Very indepth reply , nice talk

[glacial skiff]

This nerf doesn’t really affect players doing weekly keys sure. keys above the weekly 10 this nerf is disappointing because prot is doing one thing decently well, different than other tanks and that’s damage. Prot warrior has no viable utility or out play potention such as prot paladin/vengeance DH.

[toxic pewter]

lol

what in the world..

[neon elk]

Okej dude go reroll i guess

[toxic pewter]

dude losing it over a small nerf

[waxen frigate]

This nerf doesn’t really affect players doing weekly keys sure. keys above the weekly 10 this nerf is disappointing because prot is doing one thing decently well, different than other tanks and that’s damage. Prot warrior has no viable utility or out play potention such as prot paladin/vengeance DH.

[sudden lynx]

This cant become a copy pasta

[toxic pewter]

This nerf doesn’t really affect players doing weekly keys sure. keys above the weekly 10 this nerf is disappointing because prot is doing one thing decently well, different than other tanks and that’s damage. Prot warrior has no viable utility or out play potention such as prot paladin/vengeance DH.

[glacial skiff]

I’m trying to be nice, but it looks like you only do weekly 10 keys with an 11 sprinkled in. Looking at the log review of your 10 cinderbrew nobody got remotely close to 20k on that pull. You’re misspeaking.

[sudden lynx]

Oh man

[glacial skiff]

Fuck off

[glacial skiff]

You too.

[sudden lynx]

No need to be rude

This nerf doesn’t really affect players doing weekly keys sure. keys above the weekly 10 this nerf is disappointing because prot is doing one thing decently well, different than other tanks and that’s damage. Prot warrior has no viable utility or out play potention such as prot paladin/vengeance DH.

[burnt torrent]

Woah guys chill out

[glacial skiff]

You 3.

[tacit falcon]

idk, I feel like this is a "get what you give" moment.

[sudden lynx]

opa

[glacial skiff]

My guy lomm was speaking nonsense, I call him on it and i’m in the wrong? Bullshit.

[keen anvil]

I don't care about the nerf.. I wish they'd just revert the APM changes they made going into this patch.. the empty globals feel kinda bad

[tacit falcon]

less your words, more your approach, ya know?

[sudden lynx]

Maybe the triple fuck yous is more the vibe

[pallid quiver]

You can always just block someone if you think they're an asshole, though it is funny to try and publicly shame people.

I would recommend just blocking instead of cluttering the chat with slop, though, if you're going to take issue

[sudden lynx]

Also the pocket watching

[sudden lynx]

Based call

[pallid quiver]

You shouldn't really have empty GCDs after the walked back some of the changes; you're not slamming IP as often due to rage changes, but you should still have enough resets and rage to always fill a GCD

[glacial skiff]

I was being nice. He asked how I gather mobs, I linked him logs and checked his to see if there’s something he’s doing differently. Maybe he’s better than me and doing something i’m not.

[tacit falcon]

saying someone is "out of their depth" and leaving it at that, with no real criticism looks bad, and that's not very nice.

[neon elk]

Idk what has key level to do with that but okej, also this is you trying to be nice ? Funny .. now imagine that i did more than one run of that dung but maybe not all are logged ? Dps doing close to 20m on that pull isnt anything special bro

[pallid quiver]

If you don't, you've either over sent on IP or over sent on execute

[tacit falcon]

contrary to what you just said friend.

[chrome falcon]

if you haven't had apb blocked in here for 5+ years, you're doing it wrong

[glacial skiff]

Raider IO tracks all your runs buddy.

https://raider.io/characters/eu/silvermoon/Lommatyk

[timid wigeon]

so prot war will be dead next week ? We are going to lose the only reason to be invited in m+. A nerf to dmg is also a nerf to survivability because leech is one of the main self-heal sources

[glacial skiff]

Nobody’s doing 20m on a key less than a 10. Full stop.

[neon elk]

Yea so? U can clearly see i did more than 1 run , never said it was on 10 ?

[sudden lynx]

You are so insanely pocket watching just leave it

[glacial skiff]

Again. Nobody’s doing 20m in any key below a 10.

[quick iron]

maybe a slightly longer queue but still a tank, gonna get invited still probably

[lime mantle]

You gotta find 5% worse DPS to stay first.
Which is gonna be quite hard in my case, as I am quite bad already.

[sudden lynx]

Nothing to gain here

[tacit falcon]

you're literally linking dudes profile, judging his keys/etc. Like why, this is a really weird way to prove a point man.

[sudden lynx]

You are yelling at clouds at 3 in the morning

[steady karma]

Yeah, I feel like this has drug on enough

[chrome falcon]

you gotta be prepared for people to just be wrong in this discord and let them live

[neon elk]

Why? Do u think u have less dmg in lower keys ? Cuz its actualy higher in overal cuz things go down faster..

[glacial skiff]

He spouted nonsense. I called him on it. I don’t like people being dishonest and spouting disinformation here.

[steady karma]

wrap it up boys

[timid wigeon]

how much % dmg will we lose with the nerfs ?

[chrome falcon]

obviously no-one is doing 20 million dps in an 8, tell him to press challenging/disrupting shout and move on

[sudden lynx]

ITS THE COPS

SCATTER

[neon elk]

Post where exactly did said nonsense as u claim

[steady karma]

ahem

[pallid quiver]

thanks for walkin' in, Archi

[lime mantle]

5% AoE 2% ST seems to be the main math

(it's up in the channel if you search up 🙂 )

[pallid quiver]

I appreciate ya

[steady karma]

I had a good day today, I don't wanna wrap it up by having to knock people down

[timid wigeon]

really ? the nerfs seem much bigger than those numbers though

[viral bear]

Hi guys how is mountain thane looking w the recent buff and the nerf to colossus?

[chrome falcon]

dps players coming in and talking about how good their day was while our spec is literally unplayable and dead

typical man

[steady karma]

[glacial skiff]

You can DM me if you want. I’m done talking about it here.

[pallid quiver]

There's a ton of other modifiers to revenge and shield slam throughout the tree, and modifiers are also multiplicative, not addititve

[sudden lynx]

I think you still play colossus

[timid wigeon]

I tested on dummies. MT does around similar ST dmg, but on 5 target cleave. MT is pale in comparison to Colosus

[pallid quiver]

So the percentage seems big, but it's not actually a major difference

[lime mantle]

Yeah, people that know more explained it further than I can (I am sorta bad, just parroting what parrygodx, nim, etc.. commented)

[viral bear]

The nerf is live on the ptr?

[lusty grotto]

what'd i miss

[pallid quiver]

a slap fight

[lusty grotto]

also no rik neck 😢

[lime mantle]

I hope they unnerf MThane (I play dwarf and I need the RP BiS)

[fluid widget]

prot nerfs, minor but for some the sky falls

[lusty grotto]

0 drops from heroic reclear

rng is so good to me

[timid wigeon]

I tested on live. but the nerfs won't make MT better than Colosus in m+

[lusty grotto]

oh no im aware of those

[pallid quiver]

nim, carry me through heroic raid, kthx, can't be bothered to find a pug for it

[viral bear]

they release this on 25th

So its peak atm colossus

[lusty grotto]

i cant 😢

i have a myth s1 neck

-30k dps

[timid wigeon]

I know, the gap in AoE dmg between Colosus and MT is too large for the nerfs to change the meta

[pallid quiver]

i can't believe nim doesn't have seventeen alt accounts to try and maximize his chances of having a toon that actually gets gear

you hate to see it...

[lusty grotto]

yeah i cant do that anymore

sadly

well not sadly

[viral bear]

Welp we cant do anything but wait on the numbers and blizzard to say something

Have a nice night fellas

[lusty grotto]

oh i got a boe

so kind of okay run just because of that

[left meteor]

# Shield Slam
override.spell_data=effect.14132.ap_coefficient=1.2027
# Practiced Strikes
override.spell_data=effect.1184820.base_value=10
# One Against Many
override.spell_data=effect.1114012.base_value=3
# Tide of Battle
override.spell_data=effect.1184827.base_value=7
# Strength of the Mountain
override.spell_data=effect.1128785.base_value=15

If you want to go nuts 🤷‍♂️ I will not give technical support for using these overrides have fun

[vocal flame]

Cool how they don’t touch DH or Prot pally lol

[neon elk]

They did nerf vdh tho?

[vocal flame]

I didn’t see it on the blue post. I’m on mobile could have missed it.

DEMON HUNTER
Vengeance
Deflecting Spikes (Talent) now causes Demon Spikes to increase Parry chance by 10% (was 15%).
DRUID

[short nest]

Where in the Sim do I have to insert this?

[neon elk]

There is something with parry on demon spikes or so, idk how significant it is for them

[stuck coral]

hello, some1 have a WA for announcing when a spell target me ? so i can preshot the Reflect..?

[vocal flame]

Prob not and they will continue to be Meta but always nerf prot

[neon elk]

I mean, its not like our nerf is a huge one and even if they nuke down vdh to oblivion ppal will be "meta" again most likely

[vocal flame]

Mist got destroyed lol

[quasi jewel]

Not really

[vocal flame]

We will see what happens

[sand condor]

Why do we get nerfed on the one thing that we excell at over dh/ppal

[quasi jewel]

Mw was doing more than double any other healers damage.

[sand condor]

Sigh

[vocal flame]

Yeah it was stupid.

Maybe thane will be the way to go now idk

[lime mantle]

VDH got a big nerf, if u think about it it got a 33.3% (repeating, ofc) nerf!

Tank balance being clownshoes party is nothing new, at least we are still at the "2+ tanks are high key viable and you see the other tanks in weekly keys" state of the meta.

[vocal flame]

5% to parry is a big nerf? Not sure I don’t play them. Doesn’t seem so

[lusty grotto]

not really

[lime mantle]

Nope, the colossus nerf is 5% AoE, 2% ST, which is also not really a big deal. Like warrior still is high DPS monster in joke keys and it still flatlines/does nothing in super high keys.

Also, it isn't, that is the joke™️.

[neon elk]

Tbf none of the nerf are big ones , apart from maybe monk but their healing will still be fine

[vocal flame]

Think you have it backwards. Shield slam alone is 5% reduction

[lime mantle]

If you go by this, warrior loses at most 5% so avg 1.5->1.425

[vocal flame]

If you’re pulling 400mil on that it’s a decent amount

That’s not a big enough sample to say anything really. Blizzard has the real numbers.

[lime mantle]

-20m damage.
You can also sim these changes, btw.

[spring summit]

2nd craft question: weapon or 2nd embellishment?

[vocal flame]

Yeah prob do it when I get home

[lime mantle]

At most the average warrior damage sorta goes to BDK level, but it fixes neither of their issues (the tank dps differential is also not big enough atm for the meta choice being 'whoever hits the hardest')

[vocal flame]

I agree

So damage nerf doesn’t make sense.

Unless they are adding utility down the road which I highly doubt

Maybe we can wear a shield on our back lol

[vocal flame]

What do you need the most? You have a chance at a mythic weapon?

[spring summit]

only from vault

[lime mantle]

It's a minute slap on the wrist, like the VDH nerf because blizzard has historically not given a flying shit about tank balance, more so in M+ (Hell, if a season has 2 viable tanks 4 weeks in, that season is very diverse). If not ask monks

Also warrior is never getting any meaningful utility because it seems blizzard doesn't want tanks with BL and warrior is good enough for government work in raid with the semi-unique commanding.

[lime mantle]

I'd craft.

[vocal flame]

The brewmaster 3% damage buff is hilarious.

I think AI is running class tuning at blizzard

[naive laurel]

seems like either hero talent is good in m+?

[lime mantle]

They don't really care about tank tunning and never have.

[naive laurel]

or is there a clear winner to choose which one to practice on?

[lime mantle]

Colossus is much, much stronger than thane.

[vocal flame]

No they do just certain classes

[naive laurel]

gotcha, thank you!

[lime mantle]

And more fun imho.

[vocal flame]

Yeah col is awesome

[lime mantle]

Unnerf thane and the APM changes 😔

[obtuse egret]

hoping I can still pug high keys and this nerf dont kill my stock

[lime mantle]

I'd short your protwar stock if you are pugging high (14+s) m8.

[vocal flame]

^

[lime mantle]

Less because "It bad now" but because (as seen here) people see 5% or other big numbers and assume the class is literally dead in the water.

[vocal flame]

Depends on what you’re doing

[naive laurel]

was looking at the top m+ers for prot, we dont take indomitable anymore??

[vocal flame]

5% is significant in the grand scheme of things and so are the AOE nerfs IMO. Maybe I’m chicken little here but doing napkin math is no bueno

We all knew it was coming lol

[lusty grotto]

indom is no bueno in TWW

[naive laurel]

crying

[lusty grotto]

is even worse now with the rage changes

[lime mantle]

Why? Low total healing?

[lusty grotto]

Yeah

[pallid quiver]

It got nerfed to half value at the start of TWW, and the lower rage economy means you're fueling even less rage into it

You're still less tanky without it, but it's not a meaningful difference now due to repeated hits from multiple directions

[lime mantle]

I'll try to drop it for ravager or bsv then

[vocal flame]

Def drop for rav

[lime mantle]

Starting to try 12s and maybe 3k but I am likely too undergeared for it (I need hands, but irl).

[timid wigeon]

thane will do more ST than colossus after the nerfs those

but colossus still beats thane in AoE

[mighty valley]

thane already does more st in a lot of fights

although the SS nerf hits them harder lol

[timid wigeon]

they buff Thane to compensate for the SS nerf

so it's equal out

not sure which one should I play next week to tbh

[vocal flame]

Col 🫡

Ride together die together

[timid wigeon]

ST dps is more important, but Colossus AoE dmg is too big to ignore

[lime mantle]

So I am hearing I get to play colossus in M+ and Thane in Raid?

[mighty valley]

you already could

[drifting lance]

u just play whatever sims higher if its pure st

if demolish has value u play colossus

[lime mantle]

That implies I have enough brain cells to
A) Join a raid
B) Remember to switch away from my M+ talents
In one day.

[mighty valley]

i'm afraid there's nothing in the patch notes about your brain cells

[vocal flame]

lol

Plus mixing it up a bit is fun

Thick veiny TCs

Vs Thick veiny revenge

[timid wigeon]

likely so

unless they buff Thane's AoE

[lime mantle]

It's over, the debuff won't go away 😔

I haven't had time (or will) to raid this or last patch ngl

[west turtle]

just a quick question

do I need the 4 pc tier set to do the lvl of damage that other prot warrs do?

I'm kinda fresh off Season 1

[naive laurel]

yes

[neon elk]

Naaah, depends

In most dungs u can do like 2m overal without set ( not as full s1 gear tho i guess)

But it depends on many things

[frank badge]

does leech worth to use? or should i keep get more haste? the boots from motherlode?

seeing my leech is number 2 healing

[vocal flame]

That’s a lot of leech.

[wide pilot]

Has anyone heard of people not being able to release in the rookery after wiping on 1st boss?

[turbid marten]

It's a good thing they're nerfing prot warriors, they were rampant in keys

[cerulean tusk]

One could say we were demolishing keys

[lusty grotto]

Not at the cost of ilvl

[frank badge]

same ilvl

both 658

[lusty grotto]

Or better stats

[frank badge]

leech or haste is better?

[cerulean tusk]

If he got plenty of haste, then he could flex it in

[lusty grotto]

Your leech does work only because of your damage and talents, not because you have some on gear

Sims takes a priority

[frank badge]

so leech on gear it doesnt worth more than haste?

[lusty grotto]

No

[mighty valley]

Tertiaries basically never change your gear decisions, they’re just nice tiny bonuses

[lusty grotto]

What harrow said

[cerulean tusk]

Up to you to decide, the more leech you stack. The better it is. And haste isn't super better than Vers/mast, just better in general

[lusty grotto]

Nah

Remember leech got severely nerfed in TWW

[frank badge]

i see, i just wanna farm get the bis gear

[lusty grotto]

We aren't playing BFA or legion

[frank badge]

so need the boots from motherlode for the haste

[cerulean tusk]

Nim you gonna force me to go 2h leech prot

If only I had the time and gold

[lusty grotto]

Looking forward to it

[cerulean tusk]

Leech still a +10m on BoEs?

Probably

[lusty grotto]

Idk I dropped a hero mail helm with leech on the AH a few hours ago for 800k

Gotta see if it sold

[zinc valley]

No pins in this discord?

[cerulean tusk]

Hero... Track, 800k, w3

[lusty grotto]

BOE I mean

[cerulean tusk]

We got 📌 why

[zinc valley]

Bugged I guess showing none

[lusty grotto]

They work for me

[cerulean tusk]

Works for me, try restarting discord?

[lusty grotto]

We live and die by the pins

[cerulean tusk]

I like pins, cause you can tell Nome's mood based on them (before the edit)

[lusty grotto]

Lol

[cerulean tusk]

[lusty grotto]

Tsm had 0 data on it

Supposedly 800k was the average with regional avg of like 1.2 mil

But I guess those are RWF prices

[cerulean tusk]

No way you sell it for more than 350k w3

[lusty grotto]

Yeah, probably

[cerulean tusk]

This week BoEs will unlock, no?

I am gonna buy myself a belt and shoulders

[lusty grotto]

Good question

[cerulean tusk]

I don't raid, it is the only path open to me to keep up to those that do

[onyx vessel]

Get selling those 10s

[cerulean tusk]

[fluid widget]

how much haste do you need before you can use into the fray over heavy reprecussions for m+?

[cerulean tusk]

Ppl say around 20k. As long you for 100% uptime on shield block you are fine, and new tier do grant some additional coverage

[fluid widget]

hmmm damn im unfortunately mastery heavy and at 12k. Ill see what uptime i can maintain

[jagged gust]

12k's gonna feel real bad with itf

[cerulean tusk]

If you are mast heavy, just HR and enjoy the life of melees tickling you with 85% SB DR

The most tanky I felt in S1, was full mast/crit. Whites didn't even move my health bar

[fluid widget]

yeah all the healers have said that healing me is chill af

Besides the creepers, nothings been too rough

[cerulean tusk]

Glad they finally can be dispelled. Kiteing isn't fun

[jagged gust]

Imagine having healers that dispel 🥲

[cerulean tusk]

[jagged gust]

(I had an unfun time in a floodgate recently)

[onyx vessel]

Nah I have like 22% haste with into the fray with like 90% block uptime

Before into the fray

[cerulean tusk]

90%
That is 100% active, right?

[onyx vessel]

Whole key?

With hr you get like 98% while you running the key cuz its always at 24seconds

[sick grotto]

is everyone running colossus these days?

over thane this season?

[onyx vessel]

Demo

[cerulean tusk]

Most are, Thane still works

Ppl just finally accepted that big crit is fun

[onyx vessel]

Thane is good if you wanna do less dmg and take slightly less

[sick grotto]

watch your dps skyrocket does feel good

[jagged gust]

Leech from Demolish is like a mini victory rush

[cerulean tusk]

Go from bottom to top, making DPS panic is fun

[onyx vessel]

Probably struggle less on early into a pull threat when your first rounding them up

[sick grotto]

make them sweat and press buttons early

[sudden lynx]

Do you people ever sleep

[onyx vessel]

I just hit revenge like 4 times while rounding a pack up

[cerulean tusk]

Then demo doesn't crit

[sick grotto]

i had no problems with threat gen im just guessing its less ip uptime

[sudden lynx]

Swear some of you HAVE to share my time zone

[cerulean tusk]

Beep boop 🤖 no

[sick grotto]

im every timezone its tru

AI is advancing

[onyx vessel]

I'm est time zone but I work nightshift

[lusty grotto]

Very slightly tbf

Colossus just requires you to be better at rage management

[onyx vessel]

Early into a pull if you got rets dumping instantly maybe

[lusty grotto]

But good play and IPs won't really suffer much, not that it matters

[sick grotto]

ahh ok will have to try it again

[onyx vessel]

Bubble or die for being dumb I guess

[sick grotto]

just felt like colossus had decent amount less rage gen

but i think they nerfed thane

[lusty grotto]

Any ret that dumps on the first pack is an idiot

And deserves the death

[sudden lynx]

Its less but its still good

[onyx vessel]

Aoe taunt first pull and we good

[lusty grotto]

In ST, sure

[onyx vessel]

I just run aoe silence now

[lusty grotto]

Nah

[sick grotto]

disrupting shout

[lusty grotto]

Let the rets die

[sick grotto]

[onyx vessel]

It's good

[lusty grotto]

They are fucking losing so much dps by dumping into the first pack anyway

Might as well be dead

[onyx vessel]

Ret hater

[sick grotto]

you guys arent running bsv this season?

[lusty grotto]

Trust me Ive played ret a fair amount

[onyx vessel]

Nah just run bombsuit

Better bsv

[lusty grotto]

Mfers can't catch my damage and I wait until the pull is done

[sick grotto]

ahh a trink?

[onyx vessel]

9m shield

[lusty grotto]

Bsv is played, yes

[onyx vessel]

I use it pull huge

[lusty grotto]

Just not for non challenging keys

Waste of a talent if you're not in any risk

[sick grotto]

yeah for sure outside of creepers damage seemed manageable

[lusty grotto]

Creepers are so easy now with the dispel change

So idk

[onyx vessel]

I mean if you running 10s it's the dps who tend to die way before you

Even in a huge pull

[sick grotto]

yeah pretty much feels weird compared to season 1

have to think about the group dieing before myself

[lusty grotto]

I mean

That was the case in s1 too

[sick grotto]

yeah a bit more so in s2 i feel tho

[onyx vessel]

I just watch people die to a 2 pack pull I'm like shoulda just ran 5 tank

[lusty grotto]

Not really

[sick grotto]

but i havent tanked a crazy amount

[lusty grotto]

S1 was way harder

For the group

[onyx vessel]

True

[lusty grotto]

You might just be seeing undergeared shit lords, which is understandable given that it's week 4

Err 3

People that don't understand how the dungeons work

[sick grotto]

its still crazy to me the disparity between some groups

[onyx vessel]

Check if they got 4pc of s2 or kick em in your made groups

[sick grotto]

like some struggle on 1 or 2 pull others can 4 pull

[lusty grotto]

Like standing on top of the rock throwers in DFC

In which they do absolutely nothing to anyone if done

[sick grotto]

i had that yesterday

[onyx vessel]

Hump a wall ping for stack or bring a dk

[lusty grotto]

As opposed to trucking Billy the mage standing in Africa

[sick grotto]

billy is too busy melting in his combust window

jumping on the spot

[onyx vessel]

When there's a dk in the dark fire I'm moist

[lusty grotto]

He's an idiot who will die and blame the healer for it

[slender bison]

Guys, how do you use https://www.wowhead.com/item=219309/tome-of-lights-devotion#comments ? When do you change the offensive vs defensive mode of the trinket?

[lusty grotto]

When he could have solved the problem by standing on top of the mob

[lusty grotto]

Pins

[onyx vessel]

I'm too stupid to use tome so I'm not even going to bother using it

Rocking bombsuit and scrapfield

[lusty grotto]

Be smurtrer cause its strong enough to be worth it

[slender bison]

I feel like I need PhD to use it

[sick grotto]

had a look at bombsuit looks pretty good

[lusty grotto]

Not hard

[sick grotto]

have to get lucky on some gally kills

[lusty grotto]

Track the trinket, use when it auto swaps

[onyx vessel]

Scrapfield is kinda good tho

[lusty grotto]

That's it

[onyx vessel]

Drop below 60%

Free haste high uptime

[sick sentinel]

Collossis dead after nerfs. RIP in peace. Back to boring Thane I guess

[onyx vessel]

No other tank is gonna want it easy myth track

[slender bison]

So smash stuff - wait for stacks - it changes to other mode - use it and repeat?

[lusty grotto]

Yes

[slender bison]

Thought you can trick it to always say in offensive mode

[onyx vessel]

still better dmg then Thane

[slender bison]

*stay

[lusty grotto]

Well I just told you how

That's basically it

[onyx vessel]

Just closer may play it more then

[lusty grotto]

There's no "tricking" except tracking and using

[onyx vessel]

Paying attention to using trinkets properly

[lusty grotto]

Get a WA for it and go to town

[warm girder]

rip just starting having fun with the game again and they nerf us sigh

[onyx vessel]

What you think about cinderbrew trinket?

[wooden robin]

I think people may be taking the nerf little too serious. I still think we'll be viable without a doubt.

[onyx vessel]

We saw this coming tho atleast I did

[wooden robin]

Always sucks seeing smaller numbers

[warm girder]

idk why blizz doesn't enjoy tanks enjoying the game

[onyx vessel]

I mean people posting doing 3m overall

Bit too strong

[warm girder]

good dps would still be ahead

[onyx vessel]

Only dh is allowed to do this cuz they cant balance that class properly

[wooden robin]

Yeah

[warm girder]

vdh is shit dps tbh not even fun either

[slender bison]

VDH is horrible to heal though. Needs way more babysitting than prot

[lusty grotto]

It falls short of other defensive options but buffing the group is good

[onyx vessel]

5 tank squad with it

[wooden robin]

The survivability with their dps output is still solid. I'm just shocked I didn't see anything about prot pally

[onyx vessel]

Value

[lusty grotto]

They prefer to nerf one of the least played tanks

But it wasn't a big deal

[sick grotto]

they didnt nerf vdh?

[lusty grotto]

It's damage control for perception

[sick grotto]

its like the most played

[slender bison]

Last time prot warr was meta Obama was president

[onyx vessel]

Brewmaster is least played

[sacred harness]

g u h

[onyx vessel]

We are probably tied with dk and bear

Pally and dh top

[lusty grotto]

Dk might pull ahead now

Oh

You mean pop size

[slender bison]

Because you need to press 4 buttons to mimic a DK Death strike

[sacred harness]

Blood DK has always been top

[warm girder]

https://www.twitch.tv/yodatv

good dps will always be ahead

[onyx vessel]

Brewmaster is always lowest played for m+ cuz they refuse to fix there issue

[lusty grotto]

We know

[onyx vessel]

Stagger is bad for big pulls

[lusty grotto]

No need to put that guy here

[onyx vessel]

Yoda isn't well liked here

[lusty grotto]

Eh

That's not accurate

[onyx vessel]

[lusty grotto]

But he had some fucking cooked as beans takes last season

[onyx vessel]

[lusty grotto]

Made absolutely no sense

The document he made was just vomit inducing

[onyx vessel]

I mean he did hide Colo for s2

Still using Thane all ptr

[lusty grotto]

Nope

He was one of the first to post about damage

Which is fair, I don't hold him against it

As long as it's accurate

And not full of bad takes like his s1 doc

[onyx vessel]

I'm not surprised prot got nerfed cuz of the stuff they were doing in the race for raid

[lusty grotto]

Ofc

[onyx vessel]

Colo prot ST is kinda gross

[lusty grotto]

It's a factor

But..

Thane pulls ahead in ST

Theres just a handful of cleave fights

[onyx vessel]

it does

Didn't know this

[lusty grotto]

And with 4 mages they have no room for arms warriors on execute phase fights

[warm girder]

i just starting gear the warrior so it just kinda sucks lol, grinded a lot of m+ when i had a chance and the build was fun to play for big aoe pulls

[lusty grotto]

But - 3% dmg on fire mage WHEW

[lusty grotto]

None of that will change

Tf is this autocorrect lmao

[onyx vessel]

Yeah I doubt you going to see alot of people on the high end playing thane

Thane is kinda boring

[lusty grotto]

For big st fights?

They should

[late plinth]

I play Mountain Thane, am I even going to notice a change?

[sick grotto]

i like thane personally

[onyx vessel]

Like what keys wise?

[lusty grotto]

Execute phase also benefit from thanes rage gen

[onyx vessel]

I just run 1 build for raid and m+

[lusty grotto]

I'm not talking about keys lmao

[onyx vessel]

[sick grotto]

the execute build on thane hits pretty hard

[onyx vessel]

[sick grotto]

especially if your ot

feelsgoodman

[lusty grotto]

Yeh

[onyx vessel]

Colo execute is just like hey I ripped threat

[sick grotto]

i feel like that happens on any build in raid

cotank just needs to not be bad or taunt on cd

[lusty grotto]

Thane execute builds are stronger

[lusty grotto]

Ye

[novel pike]

I play and enjoy thane, seems strong

The document by Nome on wowhead recommends thane for everything by a small margin so went with that

[lusty grotto]

Uhh

Colo is giga ahead in aoe, you might have misread

[hard cliff]

when you jump down the hole in darkflame cleft after 1st boss, some mobs just stuns me for 4-5 seconds, is there a way to prevent this?

[lusty grotto]

Move out of the circle

[torn gulch]

you get bonked

[lusty grotto]

Its put under you, the tank

[torn gulch]

you move out of bonk

[hard cliff]

okay perhaps im blind if i didnt see the circle

ty lol

[lusty grotto]

So keep moving

[sick grotto]

there is a 2 second stun there as well

[onyx vessel]

Just demo the circle cant get cc

[lusty grotto]

Also true

[onyx vessel]

Ignoring mechs like a dk

[hard cliff]

appreciate it yall

[sick grotto]

give avatar stun immunity so we can chad up more often

[onyx vessel]

That's a pvp issue not pve

[novel pike]

This is the article by nome in the faq so idk what I missed

[lusty grotto]

Read the guide

[sick grotto]

i think its a smidge outdated

[lusty grotto]

That article is old

It's s1 old

[novel pike]

Oh really geez lol

[onyx vessel]

Thane is better for newer players to the spec tho

[lusty grotto]

Look at the date

[onyx vessel]

Demo can get you killed if your real bad

[novel pike]

I am new this season yeah didn't look at date though just scrolling FAQ and pins

[lusty grotto]

Go straight to the guide

[novel pike]

Okay thanks

[lusty grotto]

It's always updated

[onyx vessel]

Hit the back

[lusty grotto]

Old articles aren't

[hard cliff]

oh boy i got my first floodgate key, i should probably watch a video on that hellhole first

first as a tank i mean

[neat vector]

Yo why the nerfs

[jagged gust]

it's the man trying to keep the brown class down

[waxen frigate]

It’s nerf or nothing

[neat vector]

[waxen frigate]

Nerf tuah

[neat vector]

[jagged granite]

Inagine not being S tier and still copping nerfs

[vital vale]

whats even the point of colossus if its not allowed to chunk dmg

if they wanna nerf colossus they shouldnt nerf dmg they should nerf surv

make it a risk reward spec

but if it deals the same dmg as thane, what does it even do then

[neon elk]

Even after nerf colo is gona do more than thane so its still fine

[vital vale]

yeah it still does more

but enough more to justify losing thane's rage gen?

[neon elk]

Yes

[vital vale]

alright

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cerulean tusk]

They didn't Nerf Demolish, just revenge. So it is all good 👍 we will just see demo be 20% of our dam, instead of 18%

[void oak]

then we still play colossus we just lost a bit of dps?

[vital vale]

i guess its better to not be too incentized to spam revenge

[cerulean tusk]

You still gonna, to reset demo

[vital vale]

[neon elk]

Yea nothing gotta change realy

[void oak]

what % of dps we lost in total? 5/10? or less?

[cerulean tusk]

5% ish? Sounds about right, maybe half of that on ST

[vital vale]

i just set up a WA that just checks if both a) its off cd, and b) its currently active on armor mode. if both true i just send it. the armor it gives amounts to 0.5% mitigation, but the crit is like 5% crit, so i always want it on crit

[cerulean tusk]

I use the same thing

[neon elk]

How much dmg is the armor tho?

[void oak]

nice thing to do, war tank was fun and people like to play it... we need to nerf

[neon elk]

Probably less than crit but wondering by how much

[vital vale]

4% str of 4k armor would be like what, 40 strength?

no less

no wait more

im a warrior im not supposed to do math

i think about 160 str

without tome's armor

with tome's armor

0.06 parry

and 1.17% dmg reduction

woaw

but crit goes up by 8%

in damage mode

so always go dmg mode

[prisma crane]

no fun allowed for us, we were too close to top tank

[tawdry dirge]

Guess we stull stay on coloss and not going thane or?

[prisma crane]

prob still can go both, if anything they're probably closer now

[tawdry dirge]

Fair

[umbral loom]

Hey , tried my First cinderbrew +10. Went Not so well thanks to the right Wing. Got knocked over by the DOT. Any Tips?

[void oak]

people dont like to play tank, what we can do to make them play the role....nerf the tank

and the top tank is the jumpy demon

[prisma crane]

and will stay top

if you get 1 point for last, 6 for first, etc, only tank historically worse is monk lol

and we're also the only 2 who havent been meta for a whole season since BFA

those DF S4 %s look real solid...

[void oak]

also the war within s1 are not so ba

bad

[prisma crane]

until they saw pally was doing really poorly

so they said, no, cant allow it

then gave them the kryptonian yellow sun treatment

meanwhile all we do real well atm is damage, gotta make sure that's in line

oh and must make sure nearly all spell reflects dont actually reflect anymore

[tawdry dirge]

I kinda dont get it dmg is the one thing we should be really good at... Cause we cant keep up with utility vs a pala or dh

[thin marten]

any other fucking idiots who only like playing brew or protwarrior

[prisma crane]

lmao yep yep

[prisma crane]

yea i mean, if damage is our niche im ok with it, but it has to be a lot to make up for the utility we don't have

fucking pally have the batbelt

VDH still have the most control

[void oak]

i belive i will try to play arms

[prisma crane]

obviously the sky isnt falling, we'll still be ok, just sucks, blizz has zero devs that actually enjoy prot warrior

[void oak]

but nerf hammer incoming for them too

[prisma crane]

that said, between us and monks, one of the two is much more often seen in raids at least, and it aint the brown one

[thin marten]

what, you don't think doing 3% more damage than the next best tank is worth not having sac, spellwarding, bop, freedom, cleanse, 2 interrupts, 1 mass interrupt, lay on hands, group healing and an aoe taunt that makes you completely immune with the same cd as warrior aoe taunt?

[tawdry dirge]

I was fine with the tuning as it was too

[prisma crane]

3% is a bit much, better drop that to 2

[void oak]

yep my only real problem are gonna be people in lfg that are gonna see war tank... dont take them they are bad now

take the flying squirrel or the holy cow

[tawdry dirge]

I am used to that

We have been often bottom tank

On the other hand there isnt many tanks right now so u might get picked still

[void oak]

there are gonna be even less if they keep doing this kind of thing

lets go demon hunter season

lets all go play demon hunter

[prisma crane]

im a one trick

which is why i get particularly salty

[tawdry dirge]

Its funny it really feel like its dh or pala season all time with waving in sometimes bear

[prisma crane]

well, in the last 8 seasons, all but warr and monk have had 2 seasons in top spot

[tawdry dirge]

I cant rember last time warri was top dog

Bfa wasnt it

[prisma crane]

yes

S2 iirc

though end of S4 was real fun with all the vers corruption and stuff

[prisma crane]

meanwhile S1 of BFA may have been the worst warrior has ever felt

[vast epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-26460616

What i woke up to

[prisma crane]

because again, no one at blizz plays pwarr and clearly IP on the GCD was a good idea

[vast epoch]

Fun detected again on warrior or what

[tawdry dirge]

Aye

XD

[prisma crane]

(its not that bad) but yea, fun detected for sure

im just salty cuz we werent even on top despite it anyways

i think if we were like this in S1 we may have been up top, but too much magic and casters this season

[vast epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/ponke-ponkesol-solana-meme-coin-memecoin-gif-2766834082489304178

[gentle gate]

We gonna be worse than bear after nerfs? Really hope so as I bet my guilds MT that I'd get to 3k before him as first time tanking in m+ 🤡

[rancid tiger]

Dmg is still great as col?

[vital vale]

wow we've never been the meta tanks in the past 4 years

[rancid tiger]

And thane got buff?

[rancid tiger]

This

Or dh which has zeals

[stone mural]

What is estimated nerf % for tuning? 3 percent?

[prisma crane]

if i have to hear one more person claim that our shout is the same as their silence...

[vital vale]

do we have anything that makes other tanks jealous of us i wonder. like we are jealous of things like grip, AMS, bubble, silence, etc

[jagged pier]

Yer its was our damage

[stone mural]

Nah

[vital vale]

leap maybe

[jagged pier]

Even tho bdk did the same if not more

And didnt get touched at all

[vital vale]

leap is the only thing i think other tanks wish they had that we have

tho vdh has it

[prisma crane]

it feels increasingly less relevant tbh

[vital vale]

spell reflect too

thats another good thing about war

[jagged pier]

How?

[prisma crane]

another one that's gone now you mean?

[jagged pier]

They stop it being useful on anything

But let ams work on everything

[vital vale]

hmm true

used to be better but usually niche

its great rn against the mechs at the first part of ML

but thats about it

[prisma crane]

i miss legion SR

[vital vale]

mass spell reflect

[prisma crane]

when it was actually FUN

[mild river]

In general how much is the nerf? We have numbers?

[vital vale]

it doesnt change anything

siginificant

its just their outlook thats dissapointing

[jagged pier]

Not that big i would say but lets see what sims say when its added in

[sharp gale]

I don’t envy leap when my bdk run at 20% more speed and is zooming when I press death march

yes I take the speed gem

[prisma crane]

with immunity to speed effects too

[mild river]

Well, the community will not take us anymore after looking at the nerfs: "warriors are dead. Don't invite them anymore. Ok".

[vital vale]

idk about that

[sharp gale]

You still have tank queue

[mild river]

But idc. I'll continue the zug zug path

[vital vale]

most ppl dont read other classes' notes

plus yeah you want a tank so you can go go already

[jagged pier]

They wouldnt anyway, as high keys are taking vdh and prot pala the eventually would stop anyways ina coiple weeks

[vital vale]

https://tenor.com/view/ron-vaccine-gif-22602016

[sharp gale]

^

Only 1 tank will be in the meta hivemind so every others will suffer slightly anyway

[prisma crane]

pretty much, without utility overhaul, we'd have to do like double their damage or more

[vital vale]

btw i still feel like insitigate is useless idk why people hyped it up because of 2 rage instead of 1 rage

it still ends up generating less rage than shield charge in details!

in the overall

but thats just my experience

[jagged pier]

Because it generates more rage than bloodsurge upto and including 5 targets

So u now just take it over that

And as they nerfed rage gen we do actually need rage gen now

[vital vale]

what about bolster, it essentially generates 60 rages on a 2 min cd

by giving u 15 sec of free shield block

[jagged pier]

Why would u need bolster?

There no point in more shield block

U have enough already

[vital vale]

frees up rage you can use on revenge and IP

instigate doesnt do anything in a clutch

[tawdry dirge]

imo thats pretty silly nerf too

cause my SS dmg is way lower then Revenge and Demo

[prisma crane]

dont want us doing ST either

[jagged pier]

So your saying its worth dropping rage gen overall to save 1 and half uses of revenge every 2 mins?

That makes no sense

You will loose uses of revenge or ip over a key

[golden ravine]

any WAs for the set? : )

[vital vale]

well its 3 uses of revenge

but it gives you another oh-shit button

and instigate doesnt give you that much overall rage gen

it amounts to about 5% overall

[sharp gale]

Raid damage nerf

[vital vale]

its like an extra War Machine

im not saying bolster is better im just saying i think its overlooked too quickly

[jagged pier]

So warmachine in a key i did which was 28 minutes long gave 1500 rage, lets say its the same that means i would have to cast ls 25 times

[vital vale]

i wanna try it too with unnerving focus (50% rage gen during last stand) to turn last stand into a 2 min revenge spamming frenzy dps cooldown

[jagged pier]

To equate to the same rage gen or rage save

[vital vale]

probably wont be good, but wanna try

[jagged pier]

As instiagate

The key would have to take 50 mins and i would have to press ls on cd

And not save it for the oh shit moments for its to be the same

This makes no sense

[vital vale]

i mean sure if you just look at the overall, instigate will give you more rage, but it wont give you anything when you deperately need something

[sharp gale]

Even without how much rage you gain, you need more rage every time not every 2 min

[vital vale]

im sure if you think about the differences each talents bring you the table you find the sense im talking about

[jagged pier]

U are playing prot warrior u should never desperatly need anything

You are a soly pre mitigation tank

U plan ahead

Not react

[vital vale]

prot warriors die too

[sharp gale]

Tanky boy doesn’t think after the facts

[jagged pier]

And LS isnt going to save you

Take bsv instead

If your worried

[vital vale]

i do take bsv, and its still bugged tho

it just procced on p1 king mechagon when i was 80% hp

[jagged pier]

Its not

[vital vale]

with mitigation up

[jagged pier]

Doubt

Need a log

But they fixed it that hit took u under 30 100%

Well would have

[sharp gale]

I doubt it is bugged

[vital vale]

🤷‍♂️

[vital vale]

thats not how its supposed to work tho, afaik thats what made it bugged in df

its meant to prevent dmg above 30%?

i thought its meant to proc when you are brought below 30%

like the tooltip says

[sharp gale]

You take 1 hit taking you below 30% it procs and is applied to said damage and you have the buff for 8 sec

[jagged pier]

No it procs on a hit that will take u under 30

No after

Thats why its not a chwat death

U can still die cause it save you from 30%

[sharp gale]

Yep you can still die with it

[jagged pier]

U can the 80% dr and healing increase makes that very hard

But still

[sharp gale]

(Like taking backshots = might just die with bsv)

[jagged pier]

What you gunna do when its down, for 3 mins is always my question because youve dropped a talent somewhere and made yourself slightly weaker outside of the window where bsv can be proced

[vital vale]

2 rage per auto attack doesnt make you that much weaker

whatevs i dont like instigate, sue me :P

[jagged pier]

Thats not the trade off we are talking about that trade off was insitage vs bolster

[sharp gale]

How many autos we do in a key, I don’t look my rage in logs yet, I don’t have issues for now

[jagged pier]

Bsv trade off is br or rav

[vital vale]

thats is what im talking about

[jagged pier]

Around 1000

[sharp gale]

Juicy rage

[fleet swift]

looking at the nerfs or whatever, are we looking at retalenting for more rage generation?

[jagged pier]

I gave u the number its make 0 sense, if u want to run bolster go ahead but its not going to do anything for you

[sharp gale]

You can’t

[jagged pier]

And droping somthing else for UF makes even less sense just to make it more viable

[fleet swift]

cool, ok, im just looking at starting out as prot and was reading teh caht here

not paying enough attention, thx for reply

[vital vale]

whether its worse or better is debatable, but it definitely doesnt make '0' sense and it definitly will do something for me. there is more than 1 way to play the video game

[jagged pier]

The nerfs have done nothing to rage gen so its run the same talents as now

Argue all you want u didnt even know how bsv worked so

[sharp gale]

we already take the best rage gen we can get

[vital vale]

im the opposite of arguing, im agreeing that it could be worse or better, im agreeing that you might be right

im just saying i dont like instigate

cant i say that

[jagged pier]

U can and as i said dont like it, dont run it, i dont pay your sub

[vital vale]

why not pay it :(

[sharp gale]

I don’t like bolster

[vital vale]

bolster doesnt like u

[sick grotto]

is defenders aegis really the play on prot in dungeons now?

[jagged pier]

Yes

Iw with no rage gen is garbage

And less SWs overall

Taking the rage off it killed the talent

[sharp gale]

Bc bolster makes me feel bad spending 1 talent point in the worst cd ever to make it not even, so I feel pressured to spend the 1 min last stand talent node

[sick grotto]

ahh rip

[sharp gale]

In my mind bolster is a 2 talent point cost

[jagged pier]

[sharp gale]

To not even make it that good

[jagged pier]

Maybe if we ever get a talent rework we grt a good tree that isnt so starved of choice

[sharp gale]

I hope a tree with différents builds and not just (I have ravager or br)

[jagged pier]

[sharp gale]

[jagged gust]

give prot overpower

[jagged pier]

Bring back HS

[jagged gust]

Well know I know what a hash tag does

[sharp gale]

Give prot war meatcleave ww on shield slam and execute

[jagged pier]

Yer i aruhed for that

Tbh i woild be happy for fury execute

Makes more sense for us anyway

[brittle owl]

arms tank

[sharp gale]

I would like to have a reason to have sudden death in AoE (execute cleaving)

[jagged pier]

[wicked plank]

2h weapon with shield.

[valid spade]

3h weapon

[vital vale]

this is the real class fantasy

[sharp gale]

I did 2 cinderbrew with sudden death because I forgot to switch to m+ build Jakey

[valid spade]

you need a squire to help

[jagged pier]

Yer i dont a fair few dungeons in raid build

But yer i doubt thata happening

[sharp gale]

I can dream

In one of them they remove backshots from the game

[jagged pier]

Tbf every odea iver had makes the skill ceiling higher which bliz dont want

So there no point in giving feedback

[round cliff]

let me main hand another shield and become The Wall

[jagged pier]

Or adds more buttons in the rotation that they also dont want

[round cliff]

nobody else sees my vision

[valid spade]

MORE BUTTONS? are you mad!

[jagged pier]

Play ac vallhala u can do that

[sharp gale]

Or Elden ring

[round cliff]

ds3 has a dedicated dual wield shield

that is a set of double doors

no other game compares

u close the doors on mfs

[sharp gale]

More buttons in the main rotation would be too much but the 30-45 sec ones they can throw one or two more

[prisma echo]

bro

[round cliff]

where's the lie

[jagged pier]

Yer but add ww every 5 second to cleave stuff is a big ask for a lot of ppl

Let alone if they didnt give us fury ww and kept it arms then we need to manage rage to use it

[round cliff]

u should want it

[jagged pier]

Would be really fun

But not gunna happen

[round cliff]

what's the point of ww when u could just have big revenge

would make revenge feel dumb again

[chilly brook]

Bring back ||Gladiator Stance||

[mild river]

I just tried a 13 Rook with 3k IO people. We didn't even arrived at first boss bc of lack of interrupts. And I was thinking: are players getting lazy with interrupts because they usually play with pally tanks?

[sharp gale]

That’s why I hope they add another hero tree ww replaces clap (like it those as reverse thane fury)

[valid spade]

yes REina

[round cliff]

no they just boosted

[jagged pier]

Another hero tree

More to tune?

U mad?

[sharp gale]

It is less to tune

[jagged pier]

They just let bdk god by

[sharp gale]

Than adding larger trees

[prisma echo]

I was laughting about that i was yesterday doing some 7s had people 2.5k and they didnt know what to do on cleft bosses like zero knowledge. Bro you have 10 done in time how its possible

[chilly brook]

As far as I see it, this system is replacing any type of talent expansions

[jagged pier]

Member bdk didnt get nerfed but druid did

Somehow

[sick grotto]

yeah its nuts bdk was doing good

not sure why warrior nerf only

[jagged pier]

But nah we are a prblem

[mild river]

Vdh got nerfed, no? Less parry chance

[golden ravine]

blood DK isnt THAT good, it's good in AOE the same as UH

[sick grotto]

it is that good tho

its overall dmg

its competing with dps in aoe pulls

[chilly brook]

huh?

it does the second highest dps in single target for tanks

[golden ravine]

yes, in AOE pulls

[chilly brook]

no not just in aoe

[jagged pier]

Look at the other screnshot which is mythic raid and all bosses are basically ST they are top

[sharp gale]

Shush, let Happydk enjoy the raid

[jagged pier]

That dungeon run was workshop btw

So not even a massive aoe dungeon

[chilly brook]

I'm trying to start a second tank for funsies

and was doing dk

[sick grotto]

to be honest their the dps is meh

[chilly brook]

but man I feel like paper at 640

[sick grotto]

and bdk also has grip which is still godly for dungeons

same with vdh

[sharp gale]

It is sustained AoE if I would put a word on dk damage (random proc do huge so 45-1 min pac it is no longer random = sustain damage)

[mild river]

I feel like vdh grip is kind meh and dangerous bc u don't want to synchronize the melee auto attack

[sharp gale]

Any stops do that

[sick grotto]

just the reality on some pulls you will need stops

[chilly brook]

ain't no way "syncing melees" matters

[sick grotto]

and you need to use your cds to adjust if the melees are trucking you

[sharp gale]

Maybe dh gets one shoted by sync melees who knows

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1055196260329590874/1320668978732859402/big2.gif

[chilly brook]

It's almost like they could play a hero talent that doesn't require them to "ramp"

And almost like too many of them leap past mobs and get back hit

[sick grotto]

dude went in raw

[sharp gale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1289315888293744642/rlp.gif

[vital vale]

lmao

[mild river]

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

I loled

[chilly brook]

I mean I could post the same of me getting one shot by a peacekeeper because I didn't spell reflect 😛

[sick grotto]

the chat bubbles are great

[sharp gale]

On floodgate last boss : I forgot I’m not on my dk and this thing bumps you

[vital vale]

how would you guys go about doing the pull here at 5:40 as a warrior in pug? without being able to grip sharpshooters

time stamp link
https://www.youtube.com/live/yLffDVM0OJY?si=5OG7M7BuueytKPt1&t=343

[chilly brook]

run into the corner and if dps don't come to the corner it's their fault

[vital vale]

you will still need to place threat on those sharpshooters before going to the corner

[chilly brook]

no you don't

[vital vale]

no?

[jagged pier]

If everyone los's u dont

[chilly brook]

no

[vital vale]

alright

[chilly brook]

sharpshooters just randomly hit everyone

[jagged pier]

Causd the move until they can see someone

[vital vale]

ahh i see

[chilly brook]

the shoot is randomly targeted

[jagged pier]

They leap in anyways easy pick up

[sharp gale]

in pug i just say stay stack and we wait the sharpshooters to jump to us

[chilly brook]

quite literally just tell everyone to run into the corner

[chilly brook]

this

no reason for them to not anyways

I love this

[jagged pier]

U arent a pala or vdh

Kinda obvious reason

[chilly brook]

😦

[jagged pier]

Doesnt matter

U arent meta

And just got nerfed

On top

Or well will

[sharp gale]

and only 42% blue color

[chilly brook]

is ok they're gonna brick the key anyways

[hollow sphinx]

is there a guide on what to use our sparks?

[jagged pier]

I always like the SLs days where i would get rejected from a key, join another group finish the key and still see that same group waitijg in groupfinder

[chilly brook]

I literally watch these fuckers just sit on my app for minutes at a time until a dh shows up

it's insane

the only other 13 to pick from is one I already have timed 😦

[sharp gale]

do your own key as tank

[chilly brook]

I just want the last 39io so I can start boosting 10s for fat gold

[sharp gale]

3k is the minimum ?

[chilly brook]

(obv push further but rn I need to take advantage of early season gold)

for 10s rn yeah

[tawdry dirge]

aha boost discords still exist nice xD

[fleet swift]

how much cash do you get for a 10?

gold, w/e

[chilly brook]

don't know

not eligible so no tags

[vital vale]

people boost 0-3 keys?

[chilly brook]

literally waited 4m for a paladin

[raw parcel]

Prices aren't listed there, xD I'm curious what people charge.

[chilly brook]

could always just ask one of the advertisers who spam trade chat lmao

[tawdry dirge]

did see 700k somewhere for a 10

[jagged pier]

Just do what i do loot a hc boe and sell it for 2.5mil before they removed them all from the AH

[chilly brook]

Can I have your rng sir

[jagged pier]

That will be for all 10s probably

[chilly brook]

nah

[tawdry dirge]

no 1 timed 10 it was

xD

[jagged pier]

No shot

[chilly brook]

the couple 10s I've seen that got dropped down to my level were like 180k cuts per booster

[inner flume]

I want to start boosting aswell, what discord should i join for that?

[jagged pier]

They were like 50k back in sls for a max vault reward

[chilly brook]

early season vs late season

[sharp gale]

Advert takes 25-30% and you divide by 4

[jagged pier]

Bro 10s arw a joke

What is this shit i need to join nposting again damn

[sick grotto]

yeah 10s are nothing this season

not sure if they just overnerfed stuff

[sharp gale]

Gear

[sick grotto]

mmm think everything is just doing too much dmg

[tawdry dirge]

ye u geared way faster and there is a lot of good stuff

[sick grotto]

like +3 a 10 is fine with a decent group

[chilly brook]

assuming these were 10s that's 132k per dungeon

[jagged pier]

No u guys are forgeting 10s are the new 8s

12s are the new 10s

[tawdry dirge]

that as well

[sharp gale]

Not really faster, 10s were a joke too third week in the first season or im crazy

[jagged pier]

I mean yes

[sick grotto]

dunno if you saw some of my pugs in season 1 i question if their screens were turned on

[sharp gale]

But definitely easier now to do 10s first week

After the 10% nerf of the first weekend

[chilly brook]

this shit is actually doomed

can't get into a singular key

[sick grotto]

brown class life

just play fire mage sure you will get in quick

[chilly brook]

I suppose I could just send my 14 workshop

mostly easy key tbh

[sick grotto]

yeah pretty much

[chilly brook]

nothing in there actually scares me much outside of the first pull

[simple flax]

How bad are our nerfs from class tuning?

[chilly brook]

☑️ reroll

[fleet swift]

check pin

[chilly brook]

that's how bad

[simple flax]

Ait ty

[chilly brook]

fuck it we ball, we pug the 14 in my bag

what could possibly go wrong

[fleet swift]

https://tenor.com/view/xena-xena-warrior-princess-lucy-lawless-season3-s3ep1-gif-22122453

[round cliff]

i wish vdh wasnt dumb and weird

i wanna play it

[thin marten]

free me from this priory prison

I can't take it

[unborn island]

What do you do for the first pull?

All of the room, or just 2/3 of the packs

[remote anchor]

all

[round cliff]

pulling all is scary

i cant handle all those kicks solo

[unborn island]

And send lust? Every time I've tried to do more than 3 bombs at once it's been a fail lol

[round cliff]

legit skill issue

[unborn island]

Only so many kicks I can handle