sure
#protection
lusty grotto
sudden lynx
Yeah good call
lusty grotto
looks good
cyan bronze
that’s crazy
sudden lynx
I got it mixed up with the one that got removed from warrior tree
cyan bronze
didn’t take u as a book guy
mighty valley
we're typically taking instigate over bloodsurge these days, we're not always in massive pull situations
regal yarrow
You're probably making life a million times harder for yourself by not running champion's bulwark btw
cyan bronze
wym
sudden lynx
You're probably making life a million times harder for yourself by not running c...
Who isnt running that
mighty valley
bulwark is literally selected
cyan bronze
I literally see it on my screen
sudden lynx
Not me brother
cyan bronze
rn
regal yarrow
oh you're right I missed it
cyan bronze
lusty grotto
just to add to Harrow's instigate thing, if youre pulling small due to that healer, instigate has way more value
cyan bronze
just to add to Harrow's instigate thing, if youre pulling small due to that heal...
tbf
sudden lynx
we're typically taking instigate over bloodsurge these days, we're not always in...
Are there numbers on this? I feel like most pulls are 2-3 packs
lusty grotto
wayyyyyy more
nocturne spindle
and also if your pullling big you have huge rage anyway
sudden lynx
just to add to Harrow's instigate thing, if youre pulling small due to that heal...
Ohhh true
cyan bronze
sounds like he’s pulling large cus of that healer
nocturne spindle
its kind of a win more talent
cyan bronze
lusty grotto
so swap bloodsurge with it
latent pier
So, I haven't really been paying attention to my warrior this expac, what's the deal with prot rn? Does it just crank in general in terms of dps, or is it a gimmick build where you have like no defense?
cyan bronze
shit cranks
lusty grotto
thats it
nocturne spindle
it does like a bit more than other tanks
mighty valley
it's our standard build
cyan bronze
and it brings battle shout
nocturne spindle
warriors just like to zug zug more than other tanks
nocturne spindle
its only like ~100k above other tanks on average
in the log data
idk about sims
lusty grotto
if you came here to ask about it because you saw some details breakdown, most dps players suck and/or are undergeared
cyan bronze
ig depends key
nocturne spindle
on key data
lusty grotto
so if your dps is under us its because they fucking suck
cerulean tusk
Hello?
latent pier
I don't have a tank yet this expac so I speak from a place of ignorance, but the few prot wars I've seen did seem way better than the other tanks in terms of dps output.
cyan bronze
pwar rsham melee melee (melee?) comp that ppl r playing fucks
nocturne spindle
this is the average dps of all the 11-16 keys
cyan bronze
i got to play it last night in some 13s
mighty valley
prot is relatively easy to do good dps on and also doesn't rely on packs living a long time for max potential so you can outdo bad/low geared dps kinda easily in small-medium keys
cyan bronze
this is the average dps of all the 11-16 keys
worth noting it’s like 200k ahead of the tanks most ppl r playing
but ye
lusty grotto
even aug beats us on average
latent pier
So it's bursty basically
regal yarrow
Not really, since the "burst" is up every 25 seconds or so
lusty grotto
its not bursty
nocturne spindle
its just has no ramp
lusty grotto
its sustainable
nocturne spindle
its pretty static no setup
latent pier
I see.
cyan bronze
prot feral havoc bm rsham felt so good 
cyan bronze
havoc doesn’t fit great but it’s what i was playing
latent pier
Like I want to give it a chance but it was by far my least favorite tank last time I gave it a go.
vocal flame
this is the average dps of all the 11-16 keys
Damage isn't everything but prot owns
lusty grotto
Like I want to give it a chance but it was by far my least favorite tank last ti...
that wont change then
our playstyle hasnt
latent pier
Figured as much.
lusty grotto
doesnt matter
you swap TB with revenge thats it
there's nothing more that changes
cyan bronze
?
lusty grotto
the gameplay is the same diva
it has to change in a lot more ways than just swapping a prio slot
regal yarrow
There's more room for bad play to not punish you now.
cyan bronze
i mean I didn’t love thane because it felt like rage was both a do nothing mechanic since it just dumped into ip and if you didn’t manage it well you did zdmg
so I would say it certainly feels different
but ya
gentle acorn
this is the average dps of all the 11-16 keys
What’s the source of this please?
cyan bronze
idk colossus def feels better gameplay to me
rage feels like it does something tangible
vocal flame
I agree with Nim here its pretty much a TC for Revenge swap and adding demolish. I played Thane last season its a pretty easy move to Col
lusty grotto
you manage your cds the same way
latent pier
said last time was sl if that matters
lusty grotto
you manage your utility (lol) the same way
nocturne spindle
What’s the source of this please?
its just warcraft log data
but thats the site
lusty grotto
you manage your rage the same way (being not capping, not starving)
urban portal
Dungeon logs are so fake lol
cerulean tusk
Lies, they count
cyan bronze
idk I would say all of your damage being spenders vs generators is enough of a dif for it to feel different for people
mighty valley
said last time was sl if that matters
we had to work for shield block uptime in SL, now it's kinda free. otherwise the principles are the same
cerulean tusk
My 100s there are true!
cyan bronze
revenge doing zdmg was ass
lusty grotto
ok fair diva
cyan bronze
lusty grotto
SL HAD different gameplay due to banner and Reprisal
most of it has been adapted into our talent tree
like Outburst
and reprisal sort of baked into SC, with champ's bulwark
mighty valley
reprisal was the main diff, banner was just a timer telling you "play prot good or you lose 25% strength idiot"
lusty grotto
lol
i mean youre not wrong
but it also depends on when he played SL
cause if they played only s1, hes in a world of difference
if they played later seasons then its closer to what we have now
but not quite there
same resource/defensive/cd management but more QoL i guess
waxen frigate
reprisal was the main diff, banner was just a timer telling you "play prot good ...
Ping pong 
cerulean tusk
Banner was 56% str, no?
nocturne spindle
whats yalls bad pug tm routes for priory
just avoid as many archers as possible?
mighty valley
Banner was 56% str, no?
lol no that would be bonkers
it was 24% at max rank
from the conduit
waxen frigate
whats yalls bad pug tm routes for priory
Left
Group needs to stack for archers
Avoid cats
thin marten
this is the average dps of all the 11-16 keys
4.6k vdh parses vs 200 brewmaster parses
😂 ing
waxen frigate
even aug beats us on average
I would hope so
nocturne spindle
i mean that was just in reply that we can beat bad dps
which i mean is true
but not like bad tier dps playing good
sudden lynx
I don’t read context
I cant even spell contekst
waxen frigate
I cant even spell contekst
sudden lynx
That’s a good name for a character
I'd make one if I played alts
dusky canopy
Just play another warrior
sudden lynx
I've been on my Tauren Mootangclan for like 2yrs now
sand condor
No Taunt on Bar
sudden lynx
Just play another warrior
Never hits the same
sand condor
Now that’s a good tank name
cerulean tusk
lol no that would be bonkers
24% from conduit, 5% from the tree and that was it?
And some mastery. Sounds lower than I remember it to be, but my memory do be faulty
dusky canopy
No Taunt on Bar
Amen
sand condor
One way to make sure people get real worried when they invite you tho
waxen frigate
You guys taunt outside of raid?
waxen frigate
Based
mighty valley
24% from conduit, 5% from the tree and that was it?
And some mastery. Sounds lo...
the 5% didn't last the entire duration either. 24% strength is a lot of strength though!!!
nocturne spindle
thats what charge thunderclap is for
waxen frigate
Or when you pull, right?
In keys I almost never taunt
barren vale
First orange parse this season....don't mind that lil chilly pepper green lol.
nocturne spindle
But yes with basically every ability we have being aoe.. you shouldn't really need to taunt
lapis jungle
just curious is the 4pc crit bonus a multiplier or additive?
dense remnant
i was told additive
strong forum
if you have 25% crit chance on your character, 4pc bonus will turn it into 100% for SS
lapis jungle
awesome, thank you
void sierra
Just got a 645 Tome. I'm running Swarmlords and Sacbrood atm (both 626). Which gets replaced first? If either?
waxen frigate
Swarm
lusty grotto
lol
onyx pike
How do I make a WA that tracks the % of IP? I'm basically looking for a progress bar that tracks the % value of the buff
dusky canopy
You could probably do that with the WA templates when you try to create your own
Maybe not a bar idr I don’t use it that often
onyx pike
I had the same issue with DH when i tried to make a progressbar with soul fragments
dense ingot
I just did a bar, the main issue is the bar only goes to the max value of whatever the highest your IP has been.
nocturne spindle
onyx pike
https://wago.io/HJbdun3yN
the bar is still the remaining time, not the value of the buff
waxen frigate
the bar is still the remaining time, not the value of the buff
which value do you want
onyx pike
just the %
lusty grotto
im also confused
waxen frigate
?
lusty grotto
hes asking like 3 different things
onyx pike
Im looking for a progressbar that tracks the % value of ip, from 0-100%, thats not 3 different things lol
nocturne spindle
the bar tracks what he wants
waxen frigate
Im looking for a progressbar that tracks the % value of ip, from 0-100%, thats n...
out of its cap?
nocturne spindle
idk why he thinks its the time left on the buff
waxen frigate
nvm i think im stupid, 1 sec
onyx pike
i have my attempted WA right above that one
might be the bar from mine thats tracking time
halcyon idol
https://wago.io/HJbdun3yN
Most useful weakaura I have
onyx pike
onyx pike
https://wago.io/HJbdun3yN
ok now it works haha
onyx pike
thats what im doing, bar just looks nicer
dense ingot
Oh like the number of stacks on it? You can just do %s
lusty grotto
i dont need to
i barely look at IP values
kinda useless if youve been playing for so long
until very specific encounters demand it
dense ingot
Sorry, meant for the person who was asking about the % of it.
lusty grotto
oh
versed talon
some help please, I've crafted my shield, what is the next I should go for wep or like a non tier item slot? I dont run much raid, will get AOTC / get gear from raid a little later when I have time at the the heroic lvl.
lusty grotto
weapon
nothing in the heroic pool will beat gilded shield/weapon
you can do embelishes after
also those are your 2 biggest most impactful upgrades
nocturne spindle
still have a champion chest i cri
lusty grotto
defensively, with shield, offensively with weapon
nocturne spindle
might actually craft one
lusty grotto
i cant fucking type today lmao
ionic yarrow
What are general thoughts on Instigate vs Bloodsurge for high Mythics?
lusty grotto
instigate unless you are pulling massive
versed talon
I embelished the shield and might do wep and recraft later
ionic yarrow
what about taking both?
mighty valley
hard to drop points for both
mighty valley
you'd be better off taking the stronger talents and adjusting how you spend your rage
ionic yarrow
less Revenge spam? how dare you?
lusty grotto
i mean
if youre starving, youre not playing correctly
managing rage correctly is core to prot warrior
dense remnant
only time i feel like i need to manage rage is on pull with all cds and in execute phase
havent played enough with 4set to see how much that actually helps, just got it before getting to reclear first 3 mythic bosses yesterday
lusty grotto
doesnt help that much
dense remnant
i wasnt expecting it to, not that much
but maybe a bit
but the tierset proc feels like true ppm
and not rppm
which feels ass
versed talon
is depths still best wep enchant?
lusty grotto
for ST, yes
versed talon
people using others for M+ cleave?
lusty grotto
yes just like s1
prisma echo
Guys i have weird question but maybe you can help me. I play vdh now and want try prot. I played it in some way in s1. Do we have anyone here that played both and can tell me what will be difference in „feeling” of plaing? Any differences i will notice?
lusty grotto
very different
limpid sequoia
Question for those who know better: Is Wrecking/Shattering Throw simply not worth giving up the utility of Crackling Thunder and Bounding Stride? I've been running this in my keys and it feels like this spell made for breaking shields hits like a wet noodle.
lusty grotto
vdh has 2 resources
lusty grotto
Question for those who know better: Is Wrecking/Shattering Throw simply not wort...
why would you run those
urban bane
Prot is as intuitive as it can be. You press your buttons and keep your shield up.
No weird frailty stacks or anything like that
limpid sequoia
why would you run those
To break the Affix shields. There's also some shields in keys that would be nice to remove quickly, such as the last boss of Rookery, a few mobs in ToP come to mind.
lusty grotto
we just dont have to do any different things than we already do to keep it
lusty grotto
To break the Affix shields. There's also some shields in keys that would be nice...
dont
just execute
prisma echo
Like im at 10 range and feel immortal tbh with all selfhealing. I found that doing big dps is „kinda” complicated. I dont have problem with survi part on prot i can manage shield block but im curious if doing 1.8kk overall is easier with colosus then vdh
dense remnant
press revenge
prisma echo
And zug zug?
lusty grotto
resource management is very different with warrior
dense remnant
press shield slam, press shield block, press revenge = win
lusty grotto
if you spam revenge youre gonna have a bad time, by starving
gotta be smurt about it
limpid sequoia
dont
Fair enough, this is kind of where I was heading. It juist seems odd that talent that is specificlly designed for breaking shields sucks at it.
limpid sequoia
yeah, I understand why
limpid sequoia
I'm just saying that it's unintuitive.
prisma echo
We press thunder clap only at begining for dot right? And then switch to ravage/ip. this will be difference as i read from s1 mountain tame
dense remnant
Fair enough, this is kind of where I was heading. It juist seems odd that talen...
there's currently an execute choice pure dps node in the prot tree that's a dps decrease compared to the shield slam+defensive choice that it's competing with
blizz doesnt always get things right
limpid sequoia
No, it'd be cool if breaking shields was a utility that Prot could bring to a group
prisma echo
Also second stupid question. Did they change stances? In s1 i was rotation between but now i actually read tooltip and feel like 3% crit is not worth 18% reduction
lusty grotto
we stay in def stance now
dense remnant
dw about stances, just stay in defensive stance perma, until you feel bored enough to look more in to it
prisma echo
Great
round pendant
+7 cinderbrew
dps asks me to pull big and healer is 3k rating last season
I'm like sure why not
so I pull a little bigger (not the whole room) and no chewie
I'm slowly bleeding out, my defensives run out
I die
lusty grotto
back hit?
round pendant
back hit?
just the dots
so I said "pain suppr?"
and he goes "defs?"
then the dps dies on the boss and blames the healer and leaves
lusty grotto
it happens
last pebble
im seeing a lotta higher prot warrs running champs spear but the buttons feels kinda bad to press, any reaons to actually take that node?
lusty grotto
round pendant
LOL
lusty grotto
im seeing a lotta higher prot warrs running champs spear but the buttons feels k...
no
ask them
we dont recommend it
round pendant
I just don't understand how a disc doesn't use pain suppr and then blames me
like
brother
you're supposed to use your shit
round pendant
yeah like, pwar especially benefits a lot from it with bleeds/dots
I mean you could argue the fundamental reason was low dps not killing the pack fast enough
but like, sitting on 2 pain suppressions is just cringe
topaz latch
no
dont most of the wowhead guide's builds have spear instead of roar, i think maybe the delve uses roar.
lusty grotto
dont most of the wowhead guide's builds have spear instead of roar, i think mayb...
no
prisma echo
anybody have maybe some logs from 10s? It would help me to compare and analyze how should i play
prisma echo
appreciate ❤️
topaz latch
no
i double checked, colossus mythic and delve builds on wowhead use roar and the others use champ spear.
lusty grotto
and we only play colossus
small steeple
roar vs spear is a sim yourself/preference thing
lusty grotto
so..?
he was asking about r.io players, so that means m+
so that means colossus
im not sure what youre trying to gain by stating that there are champs spear builds
or the amount of them
thane plays spear since s1 as well
but we're not talking about thane
topaz latch
im not sure what youre trying to gain by stating that there are champs spear bui...
i didnt seek to gain anything, i saw "we dont recommend spear" and saw builds recommending spear. that simple.
lusty grotto
well context does wonders
topaz latch
it really does, i just didnt see any for nattypally as he doesnt mention r.io or types of builds, mythics, or colossus. so yes context really wouldve done wonders.
paper geyser
yo, i should prio ITLV> tier set season 1?
idle copper
just the dots
I'm 100% coming across 3k groups that bought their rating last season.
Dieing with no Def's, no potions, crap DPS
topaz latch
yo, i should prio ITLV> tier set season 1?
yes
lusty grotto
it really does, i just didnt see any for nattypally as he doesnt mention r.io or...
"higher"
what do you think he means by "higher"
i guess he could be talking about blazing up
topaz latch
i mean, in total honesty, that can mean like 3 things to me
lusty grotto
but id say the safest assumption in a class discord is he meant "higher rated"
topaz latch
anyhow, i was mostly asking/ clarifying out of pure curiosity because i think im the last mountain thane.
hard cliff
how do you guys typically deal with the creeper dot in dark?
is it basically just shield wall?
lusty grotto
the question has come up a lot these past few days Khaz, even Nome addressed it yesterday
due to aggregate sites listing it etc
round pendant
I'm 100% coming across 3k groups that bought their rating last season.
Dieing wi...
yeah the 3k last season guys I'm encountering have been mostly awful
lusty grotto
how do you guys typically deal with the creeper dot in dark?
get dispelled or dwarf
topaz latch
the question has come up a lot these past few days Khaz, even Nome addressed it ...
ive been off for like 4 or 5 days. but addressed what specifically?
hard cliff
get dispelled or dwarf
okay nothing in my kit i can really do for it, gotcha
woven perch
anyhow, i was mostly asking/ clarifying out of pure curiosity because i think im...
i don't like colossus 🙂
hard cliff
I'm 100% coming across 3k groups that bought their rating last season.
Dieing wi...
idk where people even get the gold for all that...
dense ingot
You can spell reflect one, you can jump to run away, they're dispellable by healer now, saving shield wall is a good idea if the stacks are getting big and no jump etc
round pendant
tokens
topaz latch
i don't like colossus 🙂
god, me neither man. mountain just feels super fluid, but not like sn 1
woven perch
i like colossus as arms, dont like it as prot, feely-wise and class fantasy wise
lusty grotto
ive been off for like 4 or 5 days. but addressed what specifically?
#protection message here you go
i feel the opposite way
it makes sense for prot, not for arms
topaz latch
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148897941883584512/1352397975082...
thanks, but i was aware of not running both, but its nice to see it confirmed elsewhere
woven perch
i think slayer would've been the cooler pick, make execute have a purpose other than to replace revenge sub 20% and free procs
lusty grotto
im linking you that because you asked, and because if they are asking about spear its due to that reason
im not linking you the thing so you get instructed about not using both
topaz latch
im linking you that because you asked, and because if they are asking about spea...
brother i said thank you, but i was referring to someone asking about spear over roar or vice versa, but the comment you linked was about talking about taking both.
topaz latch
lol yeah thats about how i feel
lusty grotto
cant read between the lines
topaz latch
you gotta comprehend first but ill let this one slide
topaz latch
press X to doubt, lol.
toxic pewter
That’s me
dusky canopy
“X” 
TRIGGERED
woven perch
topaz latch
while nomes comment you linked wasnt relevant it was helpful, so thanks for linking that.
wicked pollen
it was 100% relevant
hi
lusty grotto
yo
topaz latch
lordt lol. what does higher mean? actually, for the sake of everything, dont answer that lol.
dusky canopy
lusty grotto
welcome to skyhold
sudden lynx
damn o7
lusty grotto
not my first rodeo
topaz latch
yeah im fine. wats up
in all seriousness though, is anyone taking spear over roar on colossus?
sudden lynx
Nah I grab roar
jagged pier
some ppl are
topaz latch
yeah roar, is even more convenient for me, but thats feelys
jagged pier
nome says its more for pure dps
sudden lynx
But I'm not sure the difference is huge between them
jagged pier
but it didnt sim that for me, yet i cant remeber if that was before or after 4pc
topaz latch
i know a lot are taking spear for MT thane
wicked pollen
but it didnt sim that for me, yet i cant remeber if that was before or after 4pc
maybe they are turbo stacking crit?
sudden lynx
They were so similar for colossus that I just took roar
topaz latch
i actually switched back to mountain thane, thinking about retaking roar instead of spear
sudden lynx
Thane used to take spear but I'm not sure what they do now
jagged pier
maybe they are turbo stacking crit?
nah
topaz latch
Thane used to take spear but I'm not sure what they do now
im 65% sure they take spear now
WE lol
sudden lynx
Honestly, if you prefer spear then just take spear
It wont make or break your damage and in that case you might as well go for feels
Like taking one over the other wont be the difference between you doing good or bad damage
Know what I mean?
topaz latch
i do roughly about the same, i do prefer roar, but i switched back to mountain thane and trying to get a feel for spear. im going to run 8 keys with it and give it an honest review on how i feel about it
sudden lynx
Sounds good
topaz latch
Know what I mean?
yeah i got you
but it seems like everyone but POUNDCAKE are sticking with colossus
sudden lynx
Pretty much yeah
Better damage, good enough survivability
Demolish feels pretty nice to play etc
topaz latch
its not really clicking with me. I really miss uber rage gen from sn 1, which is why i think i like mt better
sudden lynx
And this is personal but I prefer the much more limited aesthetic for my character as well
More big dude less lightning dude
topaz latch
i like the lightning around me when i get stompy stompy
sudden lynx
And the OG avatar look as well
sudden lynx
i like the lightning around me when i get stompy stompy
Fairs
topaz latch
its really cool when the stormstrike lightning splits across my camera view and strikes someone
goes great with dwarf aesthetics
sudden lynx
Yeah I can see that
Didn't think it fit very well with my tauren but it also generally isn't what I'm looking for when I play warrior
Gameplay wise the rage gen was nice though
topaz latch
HOWEVER, i fuggin love colossus on arms
i think rage gen was my big subconscious make or break with colossus
sudden lynx
I don't play other specs but I've seen critcake play it, looks pretty cool
topaz latch
i just want IP cap all the time, and revenge when im not actually in danger
sudden lynx
Sounds like Thane is the correct choice for you then
mighty valley
s1 really spoiled folks, huh
topaz latch
s1 really spoiled folks, huh
and pre sn 1 i think
mighty valley
we're always telling people "don't obsess over IP uptime, play for long term rage gen"
topaz latch
i mean we dont really have high value utility, so all we brought was rage that can be used to boost us defensively and offensively
mighty valley
and then blizz just threw so much rage at us that IP was up forever no matter what
wicked pollen
be me pressing ip 3 times in 2 minutes
echo canyon
how much haste i need for into the fray?
mighty valley
how much haste i need for into the fray?
if you've got 4set then not that much, if not then prob wait for 18-20k
sudden lynx
how much haste i need for into the fray?
Like 17k or so I think
sudden lynx
if you've got 4set then not that much, if not then prob wait for 18-20k
Also this
pure goblet
sudden lynx
Since T4 gives bomba SB uptime
echo canyon
@sudden lynx @mighty valley tyty 🙂
sudden lynx
WHAT
sudden lynx
I'm gonna be sick
mighty valley
IS THAT FUCKING REAL
read the last line lmao
lusty grotto
👏
topaz latch
lol gotdamnit
hard cliff
if i wont really be getting any myth track gear you guys think the best use of sparks is shield and sword?
topaz latch
i dont read past protection lol
sudden lynx
read the last line lmao
DONT PLAY WITH ME LIKE THAT
echo canyon
Haha
sudden lynx
DEUSER WHEN I CATCH YOU DEUSER
lusty grotto
expect balancing tonight
jagged pier
even so if they just nerfed demolish damage we would get off pretty easy
as we would still ahve all the damage amps
mighty valley
DEUSER WHEN I CATCH YOU DEUSER
it wasn't me!!!!
lusty grotto
its friday
mighty valley
i'm fighting back against misinformation out here
sudden lynx
it wasn't me!!!!
GETTING AHEAD OF MYSELF
topaz latch
GETTING AHEAD OF MYSELF
lololol
sudden lynx
expect balancing tonight
Never
topaz latch
anyways, lightning stompy stompy feels good.
lusty grotto
im just saying its friday, and its likely balancing notes are posted tonight
jagged pier
dont get excited
pure goblet
DEUSER WHEN I CATCH YOU DEUSER
Sorry I love you very much
lusty grotto
if they do nerf colossus, im sure they will re-adjust thane a little bit
jagged pier
as ive said over the last few days, the nerf if we get one will be too heavy handed
but we will see
lusty grotto
yeah well
hard cliff
we see such little play do you think a nerf is actually coming?
lusty grotto
when warrior strong, community just fucking loses it
topaz latch
when warrior strong, community just fucking loses it
this is like the first tenet of being a warrior, honestly
jagged pier
we see such little play do you think a nerf is actually coming?
yes because even if warrior is the least played class if they are even perceived as good the community crys
because warrior was good in classic
shut summit
📉 📉 📉
jagged pier
it cant be now
rough nest
We'll get an even lower target cap, because why not ?
lusty grotto
ok calm down satan
urban bane
Gotta be nerfed to prove the streamers right retroactively
jagged pier
i just hope hte more popular tanks that actually have more active players get nerfs too
lusty grotto
fucking target caps
topaz latch
"Deals reduced damage beyond 2 targets"
sudden lynx
We'll get an even lower target cap, because why not ?
Everything single target
jagged pier
that would be nice
sudden lynx
New rotation binds tab to every action for threat
jagged pier
one can dream jakey
i know 
topaz latch
theyre gonna rip apart colossus revenge
rough nest
Colossus attack range reduced by 25%
urban bane
DH is a playstyle for reprobates and profligates
sudden lynx
"Revenge now does single-target damage and has been renamed to 'personal grudge'"
topaz latch
"Revenge now does single-target damage and has been renamed to 'personal grudge'...
"slightly upset swing"
jagged pier
time to buy the dip <:sense:486961880888508428>
lusty grotto
sold
jagged pier
topaz latch
we are also gonna catch any nerfs aimed at arms, just yall watch.
jagged pier
of course
we caught buffs for them
and blizz couldnt uncode and give us our own demolish
and we in a problem cause we got the 30% increased demo aura
hard cliff
what is our best weapon embellishment? im seeming to only find armor ones
jagged pier
so blizz made the problem didnt fix it and now gunna old yeller us to cover the mistake
jagged pier
what is our best weapon embellishment? im seeming to only find armor ones
well the armour ones are better, but the best would be ascension
hard cliff
okay ty ty!
topaz latch
and blizz couldnt uncode and give us our own demolish
that is true and was a blessing
strong forum
floodgate is illegal to be played with melee on last boss
jagged pier
yes
strong forum
like
they steal all close pools
so your spark is leftover
AND you gotta deal with the tank punch
AND the spark
jagged pier
strong forum
@maiden silo fuck you
topaz latch
does the critical strike from dawnthread scale with ilvl?
strong forum
no
strong forum
embellishs do not scale with ilvl
maiden silo
<@143616346754777088> fuck you
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=178368/heroic-leap Keybind this for your own benefit.
lusty grotto
eat it like a man
strong forum
you mean die
topaz latch
embellishs do not scale with ilvl
what does elemental focus lens scale off of? whenever that item with that embelishment gets recrafted to high quality/ilvl, the damage goes up
lusty grotto
chilly brook
📉 📉 📉
Since you’re around, I wanted to pick your brain about why you use ravager in keys over battering ram if you don’t mind
strong forum
what does elemental focus lens scale off of? whenever that item with that embeli...
vers haste and crit
shut summit
i use both
strong forum
ye
shut summit
been playing with no indom
strong forum
same
strong forum
chilly brook
Oh shit
topaz latch
vers haste and crit
ok that makes more sense. but we mostly agree dawnthread is still better>
jagged pier
indom is dudu
chilly brook
I be looking at old shit then
topaz latch
yeah i took indom off first day of the season i think, or second day
chilly brook
Indom do be doodoo
sudden lynx
I took it off today : D
jagged pier
i just dropped it at 2pc
lusty grotto
yeyeye
chilly brook
Nom you still messin with spear in keys?
chilly brook
Just cuz target counts?
topaz latch
i took spear back up when i switched back to mt
strong forum
topaz latch
tiny aoe tho is my only complaint
strong forum
cuz gathering packs this season sucks giga ass
roar is better for threat when your DPS are mongoloids
since you dont need to wait for shit to be stacked
chilly brook
Yeah I know what you meant I’m just cracking a joke
strong forum
i know but the lurkers might not
mighty valley
give us a big aoe pull button from range, i want that easy life
topaz latch
Nome, you taking spear on both colossus and thane???
sudden lynx
give us a big aoe pull button from range, i want that easy life
Give us death grip but make it one of those claw hands
chilly brook
Me leaping over to grab extra shit dropping a TC and a revenge and then charging back to gather it all into a nice pack
My Ele shaman deciding to unload on the pack I hit twice and falling over because he ripped aggro
sudden lynx
>Me leaping over to grab extra shit dropping a TC and a revenge and then chargin...
"Shit tank gg" into insta-leave
spare escarp
sudden lynx
Tale as old as time
chilly brook
Nah lol
spare escarp
@strong forum pulling pov
chilly brook
He’s in my push group
jagged gust
"better hope you didn't skip leg day buds"
chilly brook
I guess his ascendence proc’d and he couldn’t help it it just hits everything or something like that
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Still timed the 13
I just wish they’d be on a bit more
I need to accumulate more useless score that no one besides myself cares about
strong forum
>Me leaping over to grab extra shit dropping a TC and a revenge and then chargin...
🙂
or retpally proccing divine storm and divine toll while you are mid charge
chilly brook
The amount of times I’m still gathering stuff and I hear “I got aggro on X” in comms
lusty grotto
or retpally proccing divine storm and divine toll while you are mid charge
you mean proccing a searing light
🙂
chilly brook
I mean it rarely ever leads to anything bad so it’s whatever
gentle gate
Do we use anything prekey or just chill
strong forum
talenting into searing light is the first mistake
jagged gust
The amount of times I’m still gathering stuff and I hear “I got aggro on X” in c...
allergic to kiting ahh
chilly brook
Do we use anything prekey or just chill
Chill chief
spare escarp
talenting into searing light is the first mistake
the fuck
strong forum
nothing we can use pre-key does anything of worth
sudden lynx
Do we use anything prekey or just chill
Put on some Christina Aguilera and go to town
lusty grotto
Do we use anything prekey or just chill
you can last stand
not like it'll do much but there you go
also rally
jagged gust
It sends a message
sudden lynx
True you get a lovely blue sheen
mighty valley
remember last stand + rally + fleshcraft
lusty grotto
topaz latch
i miss rally, sometimes i can hear its whispers and see its icon in my spellbook.
limpid ruin
Ya, sometime it feels like I could still press the button if I really tried
unborn island
How do you guys do gather on the first pull in meadery? I did a couple runs the other night where I got back shots, so had a few goes and kind of arrived on charging the middle pack on the right, and then bringing everything else in slowly with throws etc
How do you do it?
torn gulch
i pull the first 2 pulls behind the wall so i don't get backshots
the rest of the party waits there
strong forum
its mostly the group that dies
lusty grotto
can run to mid, get the closest packs, then just heroic throw farther ones
lusty grotto
as long as youre not pulling opposite side, you wont have to worry about back hits
hexed moth
guys since I switch from thunder to collos this season, and I have aggro issues at first seconds of pull
I'm thunder clap avatar lover, so any suggestion
hard cliff
anything to do against ToP last boss tankbuster besides normal stuff? it seems to chunk pretty hard. same with the suck that spawns adds
unborn island
anything to do against ToP last boss tankbuster besides normal stuff? it seems t...
Unfortunately not, used to be able to reflect it
hard cliff
gotcha, i feel like im constantly low on that fight lol
nocturne spindle
guys since I switch from thunder to collos this season, and I have aggro issues ...
add in the thunderclap range talent
in left tree
urban bane
anything to do against ToP last boss tankbuster besides normal stuff? it seems t...
Keep your shield block up, as it has physical and magical components to the hit. SR doesn't reflect/deflect, but it will DR it. Cycle through using shield walls and spell block (none at the same time) for it.
I try to save spell block for the parts at sub 50 as that feels like just a harder cadence and I just don't wanna have to worry about it
hard cliff
gotcha gotcha, i was doing that besides the spell block, ill try to keep that in mind
urban bane
I think spell block is long enough to cover two of the scythes, which should give more than enough time to get shield wall back
cerulean tusk
anything to do against ToP last boss tankbuster besides normal stuff? it seems t...
You can use your ragepool to make sure you got a double IP up for each of them, but doubt you are at that point yet. SR and a single IP should be enough in the most part.
12s you can just take the buster all natural' and survive
next pasture
How do you guys do gather on the first pull in meadery? I did a couple runs the ...
i shield charge the middle pack on the left, which aggros everything on that side, except the far one against the wall. i pull that pack with throw or taunt, then if the one to the left, closer wall, didn’t pull i get that too. roar when one pack is close, challenging when the other is close, and we lust. never had issues with other people dying to threat, there specifically.
i’ve had too many 12 groups fall apart on ipa so i can do that first pull in my sleep…
lusty grotto
wew
dark barn
Hi. Is the damage of demolish increased by demo shout and avatar or is just like fyralak?
lusty grotto
yes
dark barn
Thankw
cerulean tusk
A dev is going to read this, then go, "Myeeees, what a graaaaaand ideaaaaa"
- Demolish no longer get affected by Avatar or similar modifers. Damage increased by 5% to compensate.
sips tea
lusty grotto
on that note: we need gag order, reflective plating, and banner back also a group size buff to rally
dark barn
- Demolish no longer get affected by Avatar or similar modifers. Damage increase...
I saw some scary comments of prot youtubers fearing a sudden damage nerf in patch notes
cerulean tusk
It is likely to hit us, even tho we ain't especially OP. But, other tanks always cry a river of tears if we do more DPS, even if they are meta.
This is Pwarrior life
well
warrior life really
lusty grotto
warriors: the only class that gets fucking deleted by developers because they outplay shitters in low keys that aren't really relevant
dark barn
We are 5% of the tanks in high keys. Too much. Unfair. Nerf pls
lusty grotto
timmy the fire mage without 4pc doing negative dps cause of gearing is mad about colossus
instead of going frost
cerulean tusk
Sadly the Devs (rightfully so, honestly), balance it around the overall experience. In low-skill content, we dominate to the point of beating DPS players.
That is a 'problem', as the community dont like getting a mirror to the face showing "you are a shitter, git gud"
So they just remove the problem, that being us. So they can keep shitting and be shitters, but happy little shits.
dark barn
Yeah, they will nerf demolish damage, maybe next week
cerulean tusk
I would just do haste/crit
vapid wren
ok thanks
dark barn
Sim yourself. Prob crit will do better dmg (just a little)
cerulean tusk
Probably a reduction to our revenge mods, a lowering of Demolish baseline and a nerf to Demolish stacking potential.
Maybe they just want to hit all 3 specs tho, and make avatar from 20% to 10%, armored to the teeth effect reduced by 50%, things like that.
dark barn
This season feels so strange cause i always played brewmaster too. And brew had more dps than prot. But now prot have like 40% more
lusty grotto
the gap is smaller than that
cerulean tusk
^this and brew got all its tools, so that is fine.
Personally I close to prefer brew tanks in keys over pwarrior
dark barn
Brew is fine. But you will gain precious minutes with pwar dmg
cerulean tusk
Depends on how you see things. If we do more damage, but got less utility, then how much dam more do we got to have before that evens out?
Is 5%? enough
dark barn
I think we need to increase the gap a bit because of the human factor in the equation. Its much harder to survive and do a giant amount of damage with brew than prot war. To do 12+ a average brewmaster will equip ringing ritual mud and lose a lot of damage, in this scenario a average prot war will equip tome and slaps
cerulean tusk
10?
jagged gust
though some absolute monsters must be throwing off the charts in MOTHERLODE
lusty grotto
I think we need to increase the gap a bit because of the human factor in the equ...
brew needs buffs, thats for sure
but if we're nerfed slightly, balance will be better, and hopefully BDK gets damage moved from the proc shit to actual abilities
but we know blizzard
they will overnerf
see fury in s1
lusty grotto
also
make sure you looking at this graph correctly
the gap between the average warrior and a top warrior is huge
same with BDK
also compared to other tanks
if you go by average (which is the solid portion), the gap vs other tanks isnt even that big
dark barn
Yeah. Its truth
small steeple
So ive noticed sometimes the tierset will proc like a lot, back to back, and it will overlap itself
like i had the buff reapply with 9 seconds left just now
small steeple
it was a joke
jokes are suppose to be funny i though :kekw:
lusty grotto
much like tier set rppm
lusty grotto
lol far from it
rugged pollen
After trying Into the Fray and Heavy Repercussions a bit, I kind of like HR more. Is it because I suck or am I playing Col wrong?
It's just way more rage and basically perfect SB uptime. If I switch, I sometimes am standing around without rage or having to dump the last bit into renewed SB
neon elk
Whats your haste ?
lusty grotto
that pick is haste dependant, thats why Lommatik is asking
you cant go ITF until a certain amount of haste, youll nerf your SB uptime
lusty grotto
do you have 4pc?
rugged pollen
y
lusty grotto
hmm should be fine with ITF, but if youre less experienced HR is better
neon elk
Imho just play hr for now and swap itf if u are higher haste , if u are unlucky with tier procs u will be left without sb
Or rage
rugged pollen
yeah that's what happened several times today. 🙂 thanks I'll stick with HR for now
cerulean tusk
I prefer HR, cause I am human and some times slack on SB uptime :v
Just having it roll forever at 20sec, just makes me feel all safe and can focus on other things
idle copper
any tips for first pull in PSF? always seems to go to a mess. I try and kite the first pack and pull the two wandering patrols either side - staggered if they are not there
best to do the first pack by itself?
neon elk
I mount up, charge first pack and leap into middle where i gather them all , seems to work fine so far
lusty grotto
1st pack by itself is not efficient
tc into revenge the first pack, then leap to left
pull mid then right
thats it
smoky anvil
I pull the first four and LoS back
cerulean tusk
I go:
Pull the Knight Patrol, then two packs of the sharpshooters around the fountain, then I run to the miniboss - and all in on go kill that
smoky anvil
Rip lust
lusty grotto
yeah that works too funky
probably the most efficient one
especially with lust
getting 2 knights is illegal on that pull though unless you can stagger their shouts
wicked pollen
probably the most efficient one
its safer
native ember
i usually just go str8 in pull 2 pats with the set in front of the fountain
with lust
wicked pollen
getting 2 knights is illegal on that pull though unless you can stagger their sh...
^
lusty grotto
2 patrols = 2 knights, if they sync your group is dead
wicked pollen
if you get double shouts you just explode without walls
native ember
then pull boss with 1 of the side packs prob could come up with something better but thats whats worked so
wicked pollen
and even with walls your healer is probably very behind
lusty grotto
lusting with miniboss is much more efficient
youre lusting a high hp target
with a lot of count
but...
native ember
healer be getting juiced by the sharpshooters tbh
lusty grotto
eh
idle copper
I cant get groups through the ranged shooters if i pull all?
native ember
idk why this season they have all these fucking mobs that have no aggro table and dont move for shit atleast they arent as bad as the rock throwing dudes in dfc
native ember
the sharshooters will jump e
lusty grotto
just stack everyone at mobs
native ember
^^
lusty grotto
idk why this season they have all these fucking mobs that have no aggro table an...
those are easy
have group stand under them
they do no damage
they only throw rocks at people in range, if there's nobody they do nothing
also mind control works for positioning them etc
native ember
i usually los the rock throwers it just makes stacking them shit and when dude does that knock back u can time ur shockwave so they dont get blown away
idle copper
From reading above
First pack, leap to left, pull Pat, los back on wall, middle pack and then left Pat?
idle copper
usually aim to go left
lusty grotto
thats not what i mean
high keys pull mini boss
so depends on what youre pulling
at the very least do a triple or a quad
wicked pollen
ideally
you get 1st
get right
and get mini
since he starts on right
but its still dangerous
idle copper
do you have an mdt route?
native ember
Yo if you pull all those with mini in priory where tf do you stand with the knock back lol saw a vid where they go to the stairs but that was on the right side and I prefer to go left
idle copper
For Amenya does anyone skirt round the side and fight her at the top of the steps and do the x2 lightspawn after?
native ember
havent tried that but might now that u say that cause sometimes that pat is all the way down at the end and pulling those sometimes leads to ppl pulling the pat
lusty grotto
there's a few spots
but i have a sekrit
i will only reveal here
the bottom stair around the buff orb
prevents the knock
you have to be perpendicular to it though
🙂
native ember
well sheet good looks
lusty grotto
most people use this spot though
on right stairs
left stairs also has it
but this work, which is what i explained
similar to the little hills in RLP
that prevented knock from the dragon
rugged pollen
Another noob question, but is LS usefull atm at all? In BfA I think it was where you used it constantly, but now it just seems to be reactive and best if used in combination with IV? Or am I missing something?
lusty grotto
you used it in BFA cause bolster
rugged pollen
ah yeah right I member 😄
native ember
but this work, which is what i explained
so stand where the arrow is or the line
rugged pollen
just use it in a pinch
thanks will do 😄
native ember
bet lol
lusty grotto
just about any z-axis difference will negate knocks
well not negate
it just stops the traveling
glacial eagle
Is there a big difference between collosus and thane performance ?
idle copper
DPS a good amount but not key changing
lusty grotto
only in aoe
glacial eagle
In favor of which?
lusty grotto
colossus
idle copper
worth trying to pull everything back here?
native ember
i played thane all last season so i like the breath of fresh air playing colossus
idle copper
Im just after something that is uber pug friendly :)
native ember
plus demolish be demolishing
jagged gust
I miss thunderblast
cerulean tusk
worth trying to pull everything back here?
Too much time, push forwards instead to a safespot
jagged gust
Made gathering so easy, now it's a chore
native ember
true say i feel like i be fucking up with my sb uptime cause i spam revenge so much for the pumps plus my healer just allows me to get away with it find i actually do the right shit with pugs cause im worried about survivability
jagged gust
I had a priest in heroic raid this week not know about their mass rez
my expectations for pugs using utility is low
maiden forge
true say i feel like i be fucking up with my sb uptime cause i spam revenge so m...
Same, I also don't know if the pugs actually can cc or do damage, so I play responsibly
Never know when someone has a big IO but is actually brainless
idle copper
Too much time, push forwards instead to a safespot
Honestly dont know where that safe spot would be pushing forward? It alwasy goes to crap
native ember
your telling me i dont even invite disc priest i swear to god biggest decepticons idgaf what score they have
idle copper
On starting SPF - which of the two patrols is always closest left or right?
lusty grotto
right
green trench
So many good Haste/Crit & Haste/Vers loot in the game.. except the Neck. Worth crafting it? (not mythic raiding so cant get it from raid at highest lvl).
native ember
thinking from the last time i ran it the left one was going back as the right one was coming towards where u come in i could be wrong tho swear i pulled it left to right tho cause i rode closer to the left to heroic throw
lusty grotto
So many good Haste/Crit & Haste/Vers loot in the game.. except the Neck. Worth c...
sure but cinderbrew neck is good
green trench
Only piece i dont have "this patch" is Neck.. and it aint dropping. been farming it D:
and last patch, i did craft the neck.
native ember
^^ and ive seen that thing drop a bunch
green trench
😄
native ember
been farming cinder for the fkn chest and still need ring out of top smh
wooden robin
been farming ring forever
green trench
But thats the only piece that doesnt have Haste/Crit or Vers.. The rest of the gears have it. I know its a good neck, but worth going it still to not get the extra mastery?
wooden robin
im about to just craft the damn thing
green trench
13k haste, 16k crit, 9k mastery, 7k vers atm.
But i got 2 rings and a bracer to switch out to Haste/Crit or Vers still.
wooden robin
its not a warrior sin to actually just craft a ring is it?
lusty grotto
of course not
you craft to fill ilvl
basically after embelishes
so any craft in those slots isnt bad
wooden robin
perfect doing it now lol
chilly brook
@strong forum quick question
do you run SD in every build or just specifically for TOP/Workshop?
neon elk
In priory how long after pull do those knights do their aoe ?
green trench
the mobs that are called "Risen" will explode when death. CC just before they dead for it not to happen.
Or.. u mean the knights on their mounts before first boss? 😮
chilly brook
In priory how long after pull do those knights do their aoe ?
no idea tbh I only pull 2 in the whole dunegon and only one in the first pull
lusty grotto
In priory how long after pull do those knights do their aoe ?
idk the exact timing but its a couple of seconds
hard to say since nameplate cds dont track until they do their first
about 18s
i just counted on a video
they are giga prio target
neon elk
So like , pulling them 3 sec apart should be fine right? For desync
lusty grotto
kind of
i suppose so
at least 2 gcds should be good
so yeah 3s sounds good
if youre doing the mini boss pull though, just pull 1 and tunnel it until its in the grave
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> quick question
do you run SD in every build or just speci...
specifically for those 2
cuz theyre almsot entirely ST
chilly brook
aight
neon elk
if youre doing the mini boss pull though, just pull 1 and tunnel it until its in...
Havent tried thst yet and im not sure how far those pats go , i dont trust my pugs much with buttpulls
chilly brook
mini boss pull is way better than the double knight pull
Feel free to omit the sharpshooter pack closest to where you enter
you just end up chaining those with other stuff one at a time
cerulean tusk
very stonks
rich ember
Hey guys! I'm looking for advanced prot war tips if anyone has any. I tanked prot pal at title level last season but missed it by two keys. This season I am maining prot war in raid, so I figure I will just push as prot war in keys until .5 when the meta flops. I understand warrior base mechanics but I feel like I could be doing more... I don't currently have any key logs, but what are some general things that can be a point of failure for warriors outside of block uptime and ignore pain?
cerulean tusk
Spam revenge?
rich ember
If it helps I generally score between 85-100 in dam parses.... but I doubt that matters