protection

[lusty grotto]

his auto attacks are melee, which are blockable

just like any other mob

sonic blast is his frontal

[small steeple]

I didn't think he had an auto attack

[lusty grotto]

he does

[oak ivy]

his actual melee does such negligible damage though idk if it's even worth the rage into Shield versus just full sending IP

[small steeple]

i thought his auto was sonic blast lol

[lusty grotto]

see picture

mythic rik

[small steeple]

SO technically yes, but its basically nothing

[oak ivy]

^

[lusty grotto]

like any other boss auto attack

[oak ivy]

fair

[lusty grotto]

[small steeple]

I always thpught/considered bosses that basically only cast abilities on the tank, like sonic blast here, to be their auto attack

[lusty grotto]

nah

[small steeple]

Like Burning Wound from Eranog in Vault

[oak ivy]

does gally have one 🤔

nvm thats a dumb question

[lusty grotto]

burning wound isnt an auto attack either

auto attack = melee

thats it

[small steeple]

but its applied with the auto attacks, so I just thouyght it was the same

[oak ivy]

does this make crit kinda worthless defensively in raid

since actual melee damage in raid is so negligible

[lusty grotto]

does what

versa is technically a little bit better for prog

but crit still has its damage component

and a lot of attacks that arent auto attacks can be parried

[sharp gale]

and raid is designed for every tank to survive the tank shit

[lusty grotto]

especially if its applied after a melee hit like burning wound

in fact parry would be a lot better there

for rik reverb, then it probably has no value

[sharp gale]

but i wouldn't care about gear to kill rik tbh

[lusty grotto]

so no crit isnt really worthless

look at the other bosses

[sharp gale]

pugs are arleady doing 2 bosses, a week or 2 rik will be puggable too

[wooden robin]

Anyone else experiencing inconsistent boss behavior in priory?

2nd boss

[sharp gale]

once the pug hivemind discover the 3 tank strat

[wooden robin]

Like sometimes he does no shield

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[sharp gale]

i have more weird shit happening on the first boss of priory

[lusty grotto]

that happens in priory

i cant really explain it

[wooden robin]

Ok I was like wtf

[lusty grotto]

except spell queues

ive noticed it as well dw

we also had magnet do 0 suck and minimal damage on workshop on sunday

[sharp gale]

i had a first boss who jumped on someone and NEVER jumped again / didn't move for 2min

[wooden robin]

Yep same twice now

[sharp gale]

and ofc 360 spear throws

[lusty grotto]

well at least all of those benefits everyone lmao

[wooden robin]

Lol true

Not priory one

That's rough

[lusty grotto]

well

it does benefit if he doesn't jump again

[sharp gale]

[wooden robin]

I guess it is nice doing NO shield phase

Just the soak

[lusty grotto]

yeah

id imagine those will get fixed soon

[sharp gale]

and tbh i think the evoker did on purpose something to make him bug

[lusty grotto]

its possible

rescued or something

[sharp gale]

because just now i did a priory where they also stands where he was

[lusty grotto]

oh

positioning?

[sharp gale]

but i noticed when bosses died lol

[lusty grotto]

just ask them then, im not aware of it at least

safespots like that are usually not fixed

[sharp gale]

it was 10min ago so they left, it is maybe 2 days i'm wondering why they all go HERE on the stairs

[lusty grotto]

now that i recall

our feral druid friend, also did something

and we were wondering if it was considered a root or something and he shifted out

[next pasture]

do you guys have the issue of ripping threat off the other tank in raid? my off tank is 10 ilvls lower than me, a BRM, just curious

[lusty grotto]

you will rip

if hes 10 ilvls lower

and moreso if you have a higher ilvl weapon

tell him to get a better weapon

early season, a good prot will rip from anyone, it happens to us basically every, single, season

people just dont know how to gear

and/or hit their buttons

we had a lot of people here ripping off brews on ansurek

and of course DF, etc

[sharp gale]

yeah brew is kinda hard so a lot of rip aggro

[lusty grotto]

its really not hard actually

[sharp gale]

a billion modifiers on tiger palm

[lusty grotto]

there's just a lot of bads

just expect it to happen every season, if youre informed, competent and know how to gear

[sharp gale]

no rip aggro idk how to look for threat in logs not really luerce lvl

[lusty grotto]

and especially if there's a substantial difference in weapon ilvl

[neon elk]

Anyone else has weird experience in dfc with those small mobs and their bonk since reset ?

[lusty grotto]

yes, they hit sometimes outside their circle

[lusty grotto]

also you just look at the graph

but you can only look at full agro swaps

you cant see threat numbers in logs

[neon elk]

That and i would swear some arent even visible , but that might be on me

Glad im not alone tho

[lusty grotto]

it happened to me last night

[sharp gale]

maybe gally is not the fight to look at this graph

[lusty grotto]

and today

[sharp gale]

idk what the graph is saying ( yes i died at the end)

[worn coral]

do yall think prot will stay competitive in high M+ this season or is it pretty much a pally and VDH season?

[bleak breach]

Seems good enough, will be interesting at really high levels but for now we seem good.

[lusty grotto]

vdh/prot pally season

our damage is on par with them, but we dont have their utility

[worn coral]

if the dmg gets nerfed prot is pretty much dead right?

[bleak breach]

No

[lusty grotto]

damage will not get nerfed

[bleak breach]

Would have to be nerfed a lot, like 5% wouldn’t hurt us

[lusty grotto]

and IF damage is nerfed it should be for all tanks

[bleak breach]

^

[lusty grotto]

so no, prot wont be dead

[worn coral]

yeah fair

[bleak breach]

The thing is, we’re doing good damage yes, but you’re not going to beat good dps at similar ilvls.
The general community whinges because they’re ‘lesser’ players and get in a group with an upper rank PWar that makes them look bad.

[lusty grotto]

aaaaaaaaaa fuck flightstones

any cool afk flightstones spots in undermine?

valorstones, whatever

oh wait

chett apparently is decent for valorstone farm

[pallid quiver]

he got sense reacted, nerfs on the horizon. sense has his ears on blizz

[past torrent]

Best ways to handle swaps on Sprocket? That stacking debuff is annoying.

[lusty grotto]

[urban bane]

i dont think it is super accurate to say all tanks (or even most tanks) perform note-for-note as well as prot in m+

Our damage is pretty good, even if other tanks have moments

[pallid quiver]

Other tanks can, but it's normally more on them high rolling iirc

[urban bane]

anyway, yeah it is prolly gonna get nerfed but

what can ya do

[ocean lava]

chat is this good damage for cinderbrew? should i be doing more?

[urban bane]

and yeah exactly

[sick grotto]

Is blood dk broken af damage wise. Some of the numbers i have seen from bdk is insane 2.5m+ over a dungeon

[lusty grotto]

eah

they do well

[urban bane]

can get unlucky with blood beast sometimes

[chilly brook]

spending some extra crests to get rid of cyrce's circlet was so worth it

[sick grotto]

Just seemed a fair bit higher then other tanks

[chilly brook]

jumped 5% instantly

[chilly brook]

uhhhh

[sick grotto]

I thought cyrce was bis for most classes did it get nerfed

[chilly brook]

I've seen 2.8m personally as a prot warrior

so I mean...

you also have other people getting over 3m

[sick grotto]

Yeah fair i havent done much prot tanking this season yet

[urban bane]

12s arent exactly high keys but... when tank dam looks like this 😅

[chilly brook]

and yes it got nerfed

[sick grotto]

But generally tank dmf is underwhelming

Recently?

[urban bane]

Prot is gonna get somethin

[chilly brook]

like first week of the patch

[sick grotto]

Mmm ill have to resim then good to know

[chilly brook]

I mean if we're being honest, 12s are pretty "high" in context of how early it is in the season

and yes I know people are doing 16s/17s

[sick grotto]

I think with a half decent group its doable keys will probs go to 20 or so this season

[chilly brook]

but that's literally only title pushers for the most part

keys are going over 20

for sure

[sick grotto]

Yeh

[chilly brook]

we still have 15-18 ilvl to gain even in the top groups

[lusty grotto]

probably closer to 30

[urban bane]

Fair point. But I think the point generally stands that prot warrior is probably driving a bit above the speed limit

[chilly brook]

maybe?

DH players all sandbagging

[lusty grotto]

25ish maybe not quite 30 but high 20s

[chilly brook]

if they actually got off aldrachi reaver they'd be doin dam

[lusty grotto]

high keys last season were 20s

rank 1 keys, i mean

[sick grotto]

Yeah the tank dmg difference seems pretty spread out hard to say tho still early

[quaint comet]

can you guys calm down

like im over here pressing buttons and being squishy

and youre over thre

fucking mobs up

but really prot dam is wild rn

[neon elk]

Its not only pwar tho

Like ye we pump hard but its not like other tanks cant

[sharp gale]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/43?metric=dps&bracket=15&class=Tanks
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/43?metric=dps&bracket=14&class=Tanks

if we take a nerf it's bc of raid imo

[urban bane]

Wait you mean to tell me there are fewer logs of prot warriors doing 15s when there are relatively fewer prot warriors doing keys at that level?

holy!

[sharp gale]

why they are fewer prot war doing keys at that level ?

so many bdk in 15s

[urban bane]

look at the total number of logs in that rank list for dungeon you posted

it is hardly representative of much

[sharp gale]

and taking data from a key lvl where shit dies the bloodlust is still running too

ofc you will see the easy burst damage on top in 12s

[cerulean tusk]

If I had to guess, based on VDH, is that the meta is currently yet another spell comp.
Warrior doesn't fit in that.

[pallid quiver]

u don't fit 😠

[cerulean tusk]

I know

[pallid quiver]

But yeah, most bodies are rocking VDH, since it is also capable of doing a non-zero amount of damage, can survive, and it helps the heavy caster picks for some of top keys do more damage

iirc among the most represented DPS in higher keys are Fire Mage and Oomkin,

and i think there was another caster... can't remember

[neon elk]

Ngl im kinda surprised there is more monks than druids

[neon elk]

Ele sham i guess

[sharp gale]

like muse said, it's so early you can't say anything Lommatik there is few dudes who saw those keys yet (3 brew 2 bears)

[pallid quiver]

I don't think Ele was that more representative, so I think that third slot is a bit more free, but I think I recall just overall, more casters around

[cerulean tusk]

Druid give 3% versa, and benefits from magebuff and DH. Monk does not

I am surprised no physical comp has risen. But as that would require melee, well, why make the game harder?

[urban bane]

?

squishvegan

is phys comp

[cerulean tusk]

Outlier does not set meta

They always play too

So ye, doubt that will change up things

[urban bane]

ah mustve misunderstood you

[sharp gale]

Squishvegan is in otp team

[cerulean tusk]

We will see what happens with next tuning.
I just pray they don't Nerf pwarrior and kill what little fun I have this season as a warrior

Fury is dead, I dont enjoy arms... Demolish crits is all that keep me sane

[urban bane]

GL

[sharp gale]

i think you will know the answer today (saturday 1-2 am for EU), i bet a prot execute nerf

[hard cliff]

do you basically never use thunder clap in collosus? ive been seeing warriors where i dont even see it on their meters doing insane damage

[cerulean tusk]

It is a filler for when you want the reset and rage, and you ain't generating enough to spam revenge without it
You do use it, it just isn't prioritised

[livid granite]

@cerulean tusk ya funky how many Spark of Fortunes are we suppose to have by now ? 2x Spark of Fortunes and half ?

[hard cliff]

okay gotcha, i appreciate it

[cerulean tusk]

That the new crafted sparks? 4 to 5, depending if you exploited or nah

[sharp gale]

next craft is next week if you didn't exploit

[livid granite]

opa what is the exploit ???

[cerulean tusk]

Too late by now, don't worry about it.

[sharp gale]

you see the first quest requiring you to get 1 spark in exchange of another one

[livid granite]

i crafted a shield 675 , now i want to craft a 2hand weapon should i wait next week

[sharp gale]

you could wait a week and transform into a full spark and still finish the quest

[sharp gale]

yes

[livid granite]

ooooof it was supposed to be a fractured ? and was it suppose to be one time quest ?

[sharp gale]

or open your vault as arms and pray

[cerulean tusk]

And lose a chance for mythic track shield and tome? Herecy

[sharp gale]

lotery win = 2 crafts, lose : nothing

[livid granite]

nah , tbh i just did tanking all +10s to upgrade my rio score cause you know as a tank you instantly gets into the pugs , but deep inside i am arms warrior , i timed +12 as arms yesterday my key ofc cause others won't invite me

[sharp gale]

he crafted a shield already he has better things to take from vault than 3 ilvl on the shield

[cerulean tusk]

Holey pinging batman

I take 3 ilvls on shield over a mediocre mythic item any day of the week

And

Then you will be opening the vault as arms spec either way

[livid granite]

678 not massive different than 675 shield

unless you are a protection warrior for life

let's cut the crap , all of us play protection just to increase our rio score little bit and help some friends sometimes but deep inside this is boring role

[sharp gale]

maybe i undervalue 3 ilvl of the shield, but idk if it is better than 20 ilvl on the chest legs or helmet

[livid granite]

it's like a goalkeeper in football match

[cerulean tusk]

Pwarrior is the only ray of sunshine for my warrior atm

At least it does good dam

[sharp gale]

i am, for now, but i did all season 1 with the crafted shield x)

[livid granite]

i was thinking the same like you until i played with a good protection paladin on psf +10 as an arms , that paladin tank was nuts constantly chain pulling heck even pulling 3 packs sometimes , you know the pack after first boss he pulled the 1st pack in the middle with the right one with the one hiding behind the stairs that was nuts , i felt like pussy when i saw him doing that and we did time it ++10

[sharp gale]

but i agree tank is boring role.... in raid, in m+ you just hard carry the group and do almost everything everyone do so i don't understand

[cerulean tusk]

Raid tank is boring for sure

[ionic fern]

Isn't that the standard pull?

[cerulean tusk]

Time to read bulk text

[ionic fern]

And then you LoS outside to group them.

[sharp gale]

i did it maybe 20 min ago lol (no trinket tho)

[livid granite]

i don't know ya mwahi , maby you used to play with elites or something but when i do that with random people as a tank that is like 100% wipe cause you know people not that gear sometimes to be capable to pull 6 mil constant average cleveage aoe like your friends or ancestors

[cerulean tusk]

Standard is the entrance pack, then left with its stair friends. Then right chained when casters are down?

[sharp gale]

i didn't see the ret damage on my priory

[cerulean tusk]

BM not on top and by 500k to a million? Boostie?

[sharp gale]

i did second boss with the rogue

[cerulean tusk]

Still doesn't explain the low performance

[sharp gale]

they see that soak puddle spawn in the middle of 12 hammers spinning

moth

[cerulean tusk]

I won't say anything, I heroic leap into that mess

[hard cliff]

how exactly does the first boss work in darkflame cleft? are you ust not really able to aggro the adds at all?

[near zephyr]

the adds just beat

pad your damage is how it works

[neon elk]

How does that big guy in dfc after 2nd boss works ? Where he is surounded by all those small casters, sometimes he gets oneshot sometimes he stays alive

[neon elk]

U cant, use CC , or mechanics to clear them if u get too many

[sharp gale]

no aggro on those adds chase, i tank the boss in pug near the middle to random roll over some with the carts passing

[cerulean tusk]

Adds go for the guy marked by the candle 🕯️

You kill ele by heroic throwing the closest kobolt

[hard cliff]

gotcha, so stay slighlty off the track while keeping him in th emiddle?

[hard cliff]

okay good to know

[neon elk]

Closest to me or to him?

[cerulean tusk]

To you, test it in a follower dung

[oak ivy]

i'm tank main 4eva and this ones my favorite, no meme, has been for a while. I just like having unmovable healthbar

[sharp gale]

i stay off but i'm in the angle of the cross so the melees stay near the tracks without knowing so the adds hitting them might get rolled over

[hard cliff]

okay gotcha gotcha

[livid granite]

btw i did 2.1 mil dps overall on +12 roockery with 658 weapon as arms , is this good ?

[sharp gale]

tank dmg

[cerulean tusk]

Sounds really bad, without context

[hard cliff]

i tihnk its boring in raid, in mythics its a blast

[cerulean tusk]

If you do less than 3m DPS, you should be worried

[inner flume]

Not boring, i love it

Especially now we blasting

[livid granite]

ya funky ya funky i got 658 weapon and like the worst possbile trinkets

@cerulean tusk @sharp gale @hard cliff @inner flume https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HvPn4dQhkBGy6fYm?fight=6&type=damage-done

[inner flume]

That is prot dmg, not good as arms

[cerulean tusk]

If that makes you feel better. But I won't change my answer
If you want a breakdown, use #1347646810457636974 for the real help on arms

[livid granite]

what prot damage , you are dreaming

[inner flume]

You dont do 2mill dps overall as prot?

[cerulean tusk]

Pwarrior in rookery does around 2-3m dam on the regular

[inner flume]

je ez

[simple flax]

Yup

This is rookery 3

With 630

Or something

[cerulean tusk]

Looks like week1 for sure

Take me back

[inner flume]

i am farming crests in +6's and my runs look like this

[livid granite]

I'm talking about +12 and you are showing off +3 boosting your kids or something

[cerulean tusk]

His point wasn't that tho

[livid granite]

yes

he is pragging deep inside

[cerulean tusk]

It was in 630 gear he already close to 2m

[ionic nimbus]

Did 2,44 in a 11 ML last night and playing mud trinket. So 2 million is doable

[cerulean tusk]

Not doable, expected

[livid granite]

let the +11 benefit you , try +12 then come talk little son when you don't have the boosting effix helping you

[cerulean tusk]

Notche, you really think 2m is a lot for pwarrior?

[pallid quiver]

Like, seriously Notche, stop talking down to people anytime they talk about their own achievements that are better than yours. They're not some elite gamer psycho squad or something. Sometimes people are bragging, but half the people you go off on are just living their lives.

[livid granite]

no i think it's doable

[cerulean tusk]

Oh, right. Notche is the guy who popped off on that other guy way back?

I kinda remember someone doing that

[ionic nimbus]

Even if you take the Affix down. You will be over 2 million dps… that’s the only message behind this post

[livid granite]

they are not better than me , the guy just linked +3 and the other guy is talking about +11 . i wanna see those kids at +12 with random pugs doing these constant 2 mil while they try to survive and time it

[cerulean tusk]

I am not sure if you are trolling, are dense or just stubborn

[hard cliff]

yeah thats a crazy thing to say lmao

[ionic nimbus]

You really think between 11 and 12 is a huge gap? Dont think that you are playing 12s that much…

[livid granite]

Why do i need to troll ya funky i love you ya funky but some people like to prag alot i mean in my +12 run our monk tank did 1.3 mil overall and we timed it with ease cause no body died , it's not about the damage after all

[cerulean tusk]

Uh huh, and that makes the 2m mark less achievable somehow?

[hard cliff]

it being timed makes it quite literally about the damage

[livid granite]

if it's about the damage they would take paladins i think they do more damage than prot warr

[cerulean tusk]

Uh huh

[hard cliff]

oh okay you are trolling

nvm

[livid granite]

more utility too

[ionic nimbus]

Paladin and vdh are pretty even with us

[livid granite]

what trolling

[cerulean tusk]

Notche, you either grade A troll, or very out of the loop

[livid granite]

ya funky i love ya , i'm not a troll as you try to make me

[hard cliff]

if he was grade a it wouldnt be so obvious

[cerulean tusk]

Just try some col pwarrior, and the answer should be clear

[hard cliff]

i just did 1.1m overall in a heroic on my 607 warrior alt lol

[cerulean tusk]

Pwarrior pumps damage, like silly amounts. We are basically a 4th DPS on the overall

In lower keys, you will likely be top DPS. As you go higher, real DPS will come out ahead. But not by pwarrior going from 2-3m to lower. DPS go from 2-3m to 3-4, then 4-5

[hard cliff]

just random +10 i found on youtube in 2 seconds

prot warrior is insane damage

[hollow bolt]

prot playing colossus?

[hard cliff]

ya

[cerulean tusk]

That is the way

[livid granite]

what is the rotation

[hard cliff]

im honestly surprised, i always assumed mountain thane would be the big aoe build

[hard cliff]

revenge

[livid granite]

cool but let's say i did huge pull and i need to prio on spamming IP or shield block with cds on points how could i spam reveng

[hard cliff]

my 607 warrior im starting to gear, this is a heroic dungeon and the damage breakdown

[cerulean tusk]

You don't spam IP

[ionic nimbus]

Youre feeding ip via dmg output

[cerulean tusk]

IP is just to soften certain damage intakes and to dump rage overflow

[livid granite]

do you mean i have to press it once ?

[cerulean tusk]

In low keys, it keeps itself up with the IP dam to shield talent

[pallid quiver]

You don't even press IP sometimes. Violent Outburst automatically applies it.

[ionic nimbus]

Yeah, outburst is resetting it ,you spend overcappng Rage into it

[pallid quiver]

The large majority of your mitigation comes from Shield Block and blocking, anyhow, in dangerous moments in keys

since the most damage coming in is auto attacks, which are blockable

[cerulean tusk]

Wall, you forgot about wall

[pallid quiver]

CDs are used to handle things that aren't avoidable

[cerulean tusk]

[pallid quiver]

i didn't forget, i was typing

[cerulean tusk]

Wall

[livid granite]

urmm like what for example

[cerulean tusk]

Tankbusters, DoTs, that jazz

[pallid quiver]

Things like most tankbusters on bosses; you can Shield Wall/Spell Block/SR for the DR/Last Stand + IV

[jagged gust]

bleeeeds

[pallid quiver]

You don't generally use CDs on interruptible casts, for example

since those should, like,

be interrupted

And so it's what's considered avoidable damage

[cerulean tusk]

What does avoidable mean?

[livid granite]

i see , then i guess my mistake was pressing IP too much

[cerulean tusk]

It is the classic noob trap

[ionic nimbus]

Don’t forget dwarf racial for bleeds

[cerulean tusk]

Some ppl prio IP above shield block

[hollow sphinx]

I got a 665 shield - currently 2/4 pc, what do we use our shards for?

[pallid quiver]

For anyone listening in, avoidable damage is any damage that you can just simply not take, either by not standing in a swirly (obvious) to interrupting a cast, making the damage never happen, avoiding the need to DR entirely

[cerulean tusk]

Tell me more

[jagged gust]

Now do line of sight!

[livid granite]

maby it's a pug mentality that IP will always keep them safe and secure i always though it's the case cause i was playing thane alot but now i have to colo

[cerulean tusk]

No, it is that IP shows on hps meter. Block doesn't

[pallid quiver]

It's sort of the mentality that gets fostered when you don't know how strong blocking is; people think IP is our primary mit, but, while useful, it absolutely pales in comparison to blocking

And Funky's right on that aspect, as well

[hard cliff]

this is a really random side thing, but is there any way to make it so you can't ping allies?

[livid granite]

well thank you for the advise i will change my playstlyle when i play today then , god bless you

[hard cliff]

im always trying to ping a spot and it somehow pings an ally

[cerulean tusk]

Get rekt, and not as I am aware

[pallid quiver]

If you think IP is your primary mit, you end up oversending on it, which actually reduces your survival overall, because IP is actually more expensive than it seems

[jagged gust]

Just look at any popular prot guide rn, unanimously they'll say keeping IP up is one of your highest priorities

[pallid quiver]

Revenge is cheaper than it seems, because it can refund its rage cost and also can give you back a generator faster

[cerulean tusk]

Nome says that?

[pallid quiver]

Wowhead guide is only semi-popular

[jagged gust]

youtube streamer guide*

[cerulean tusk]

Doubt that

[jagged gust]

sorry I always forget context

[pallid quiver]

Youtube guides as a whole tend to be more popular from what I've pulsed

[hollow sphinx]

For what are u guys using your shards?

[cerulean tusk]

But those are the ppl who say pwarrior was bad DPS during the PTR

[pallid quiver]

A non-zero amount of casual players don't really follow Wowhead, since that's a specialty site, a non-zero others think Wowhead guides are, quote, for "newbies who can't really play", and a few others just cba

[jagged gust]

shield/helm

[livid granite]

@lament musk ya critcake how often did you press IP when you made that Colo smash video in youtube ?

[hard cliff]

wait so is ignore pain super high prio or not lol

[pallid quiver]

IP is as high prio as it needs to be; you use it to prevent overcapping rage

This will vary based on your current rage influx

[cerulean tusk]

We told you this

[pallid quiver]

All CDs down, Ravager rolling? You slap that shit a lot

[hard cliff]

yeah it just looked like there was another opinion

[pallid quiver]

ST, SS on CD, 30 rage? You're probably not pressing it for a hot minute

[hard cliff]

hmm gotcha, so majority of your defensiveness is just shield block

[hollow sphinx]

helm?

[cerulean tusk]

Bingo, Chase

[pallid quiver]

It's generally an opinion that's formed not on the actual basis of how the spec works and formed on feelycraft.

so you lose out on defensive value in almost every practical case scenario

[hard cliff]

so if you're getting crushed and needing to rely on IP more you're probably just doing something you arent ready for?

[pallid quiver]

actually, i can't even realistically think of a situation where mega-prio IP would be beneficial

[jagged gust]

Tier helm has bad stats and I'm not waiting for a decent myth replacement, so helm it was

[strong forum]

As Colossus a major part of your IP generation will come from outburst and brutal victory

[livid granite]

well tbh it's gonna be an experience today when i won't be pressing IP anymore cause LOL funky i was programmed for a long time on using it , holy it will feel weird .

[pallid quiver]

Generally, it means you fucked up a CD

[hard cliff]

hmm gotcha gotcha

[pallid quiver]

*brutal vitality; I normally wouldn't nitpick, but we have very new people watching

Just so they can find it on talent trees

[cerulean tusk]

As long you stop saying pwarr is bad DPS, my job here is done

[strong forum]

Right, vitality

Wait wha

Who in their right mind

[jagged gust]

oh someone just had to wake up the kraken

[cerulean tusk]

I regret nothing

[strong forum]

That's certainly something to read in 2025

[cerulean tusk]

Why this place been so lively for a bit

[hard cliff]

the vitality one only adds health to an existing ip though, right? so is the play to use one at the start and then chill?

[pallid quiver]

Semi-long convo, people were being misled on how to play the class, so they weren't able to revenge or stay alive. That's where the IP conversation and how to use it came from

[strong forum]

Nothing unusual

[pallid quiver]

For Colo, it usually ends up maintained in most cases off the passive application from Violent Outburst

[cerulean tusk]

Started with 2 million DPS being unachievable as pwarrior, actually

[pallid quiver]

You fluff it from time to time with releasing the pressure by using IP to avoid overcapping, followed by Bru Vit

[strong forum]

Pwar is very much unique in it's use of resources I think

[hard cliff]

gotcha gotcha, so really shouldnt need to even press it at the start, alright. sorry for all the repetition lol

[strong forum]

Since what kills a pwar is having dead gcds

[pallid quiver]

You'll end up pressing it fairly early if you have all CDs, just because your CDs flood you with rage

[livid granite]

why our representation is low 😦

[strong forum]

Cuz we are prot warrior

[jagged gust]

^

[cerulean tusk]

I mentioned that earlier

[hard cliff]

also vengeance is just like, MADE for dungeons honestly

[sharp gale]

Bc meta is comp meta

[pallid quiver]

As long as you keep your rage bar from overcapping with IP, but can still cast revenge, you're safe

[strong forum]

Pwar is always the least/2nd least popular tank

[livid granite]

za hate is real

[pallid quiver]

Honestly, you should be impressed with how high our representation is in those keys

[strong forum]

Even in raid we're currently competing for 2nd least popular tank

[pallid quiver]

I think that's like double what it's been in earlier seasons? I don't keep heavy track, but I think Prot War is usually 2.5-3.5%?

[hard cliff]

they gave vengeance a kit that is basically suited for dungeons perfectly lol. fast, can group up mobs, can silence mobs, tons of cc

[strong forum]

Despite our dmg output being comparatively OP

[sharp gale]

Will get nerf bc of raid dmg

[strong forum]

Yes

[pallid quiver]

Prot War just isn't as popular as the other tank specs among the wider tank player base at large

[cerulean tusk]

As long we don't get nerfed, we might carve out a meta apot

[livid granite]

i pray for the day when we can group up mobs at future

[sharp gale]

But if blizzard is smart they nerf execute

[hard cliff]

thats surprising since its like, "the" tank in my eyes

[pallid quiver]

Can you lie to me as you would a five year old

[strong forum]

You see how the community reacts anytime any warrior spec is looking strong?

[cerulean tusk]

Too real

[strong forum]

And what happened to arms warrior 2 days before the season started

[pallid quiver]

But the community is a stinky poo poo doo doo head

[sharp gale]

17 hours until prot war in a bluepost

[hard cliff]

side note, im buying bags on my warrior right now... what are the current biggest bags??

[strong forum]

And how then guilds stacked 3 firemages and brought 2-3 windwalkers and 0 warriors

Warrior is literally not allowed to do top damage

[livid granite]

many haters , they can't for a seconds accept that arms will be top for a single patch

[strong forum]

Uuuh 36?

[cerulean tusk]

32?

[hard cliff]

im happy windwalker is getting its time, theyre rarely ever that good

[hard cliff]

okay that sounds right

[cerulean tusk]

Regent bag is bigger

So dont buy the wrong ones

[sharp gale]

And some event bags are bigger too

[pallid quiver]

If it's a new char, you can also grab the free bags on the map in TWW

There's like 3 32 slot bags?

something like that

[cerulean tusk]

Just buy them

[strong forum]

It would be okay if people wouldn't have shat on warrior, when windwalkers literally got away Scott free

And mages

[cerulean tusk]

We dont know that yet

[strong forum]

'ate wizards

[cerulean tusk]

Tuning is to come

[pallid quiver]

I think mages should do sub-healer DPS.

I'm not saying this just because one of my friends is a mage, and he causes me much mental trauma.

[cerulean tusk]

Bringing Fury Warrior buffs

[strong forum]

They didn't get shafted 300k dps before the raid even released

[hard cliff]

i main a mage, i think the current iteration of fire is just such a difficult thing to balance, as much as i love it

[strong forum]

Funniest thing is

Everyone is rolling fmage like it's broken af

And yet I've not seen any performance that warrants the en Masse rerolling to mage

Like whatsoever

They don't do anything special currently

[sharp gale]

The world first effect

[pallid quiver]

I've outdamage most mages I find

as usual

[strong forum]

I don't get it

[hard cliff]

fire mage is hyper hyper hyper rough if you make any mistake just because of the nature of the way being in combust lowers combust cd, so if you make mistakes in it you're not just doing less damage in combust, your combust is going to be on a much longer cd

[strong forum]

They do nothing impressive at all from what I've seen

[hard cliff]

im noticing that a lot with random mages

[strong forum]

I'm well aware that fmage isn't easy

[cerulean tusk]

YouTuber say jump, you jump

Ez as

[prime sphinx]

fuck mages they refuse to swap to adds when ignite cant spread

[hard cliff]

that part is true and im guilty

[sharp gale]

I did started to do few dungeon on my mage I admit

[hard cliff]

i think im one of the few people that misses pre legion fire mage

it was rng but when it went right, it felt so good

[sharp gale]

I prefer no rng and just get good

Any twilight devastation hype btw ?

[hard cliff]

the game has gone more down a semi serious/competitive route so rng isnt really a thing anymore, but it can be fun

procs on any class dont feel the same as they used to to me lol

[pallid quiver]

I like rng if it only benefits me specifically, and hurts everyone else

[cerulean tusk]

It is a static amount now, so none

[ionic nimbus]

Literally I am avoiding mages. They mostly do shit dps

[hard cliff]

anyone else just wish theyd stop doing these like mid patch rings that go into the new tier kinda thing? so annoying when nobody does the content anymore

[sharp gale]

Yeah I saw it is not hp based, so I hope it is not target capped like what they did in bfa

[cerulean tusk]

It is capped, static and all fun drained from it

So no point to care

[jagged pier]

Its cause max said it was good for raid, which it is makes last boss a joke

They need to be able to stand still and do rotation on last boss thats it

[pallid quiver]

you're good for raid

gottem

[jagged pier]

[south zealot]

fascinating

[south zealot]

its literally always good for raid

mage is in the same spot its in every single tier for years and years straight

[sick grotto]

fire mage never wants to swap their prio target if they can otherwise their dps gets guttered. Also has lots of little tech and optimisation that matters

Which i imagine fotm re-rollers probs dont care about

[sand condor]

A class being good and a class being rerolled by fotm players go hand in hand. But 90% of rerollers wont be able to play the class to the level where it actually outperforms other classes

[round cliff]

how to not have dead gcds if pressing execute

[sharp gale]

Or they reroll after the party

[sand condor]

More haste, clearly

[sharp gale]

Im glad I tanked in m+ S1, I didn’t had to suffer those fresh new pal prots in grim batol

[pallid quiver]

It becomes an awkward balancing game; if you're at 40 rage, for example, and SS/TC just both went on CD, so they're still globals off if you get no resets, instead of yolo sending it all on execute, you can send one revenge, and then spend the rest on an execute

It comes down to still filling all globals, but not entirely starving yourself.

[round cliff]

is a 20 rage execute still more dam than a revenge?

[pallid quiver]

ye

[round cliff]

ic

and i should definitely be using tc on cd during execute right?

[pallid quiver]

Execute's rage will dynamically scale to the rage you send as well, so no need to fuss about it as much

[round cliff]

to get all the rage i can get

[pallid quiver]

In situations where it's worth to send execute, you're already normally doing SS > TC > Rev/Exe to get the most rage over time

It's only worth it if things are going to die in those globals to ignore TC in those cases

[round cliff]

im thinking boss just hit 20%

[pallid quiver]

Also, if you aren't tracking sudden death/juggernaut, it can help you to track those, as well

[round cliff]

not trash

i keep track of those yea

[pallid quiver]

It's the same for boss/trash, since you generally only execute on 1/2 targets

Since it starts to get out-performed by Revenge with 3 targets thanks to Demo stack stonks

[elder yew]

gonna tank a cpl mplus do i need to swap out circlet gems or just run the standard stats setup as dps ?

[ionic fern]

What is the standard DPS setup?

Probably won't matter anyways.

[elder yew]

im talking about what

i run as a dps like stormbringer fathom etc

[late rock]

Not sure it'll matter unless you're going for big keys

[left meteor]

All stats/Mastery/Highest stat

[remote anchor]

i run the same on dps as tank

[ionic fern]

That's more or less chill.

[cold shadow]

just got signet, and it's better than other stuff i have right now, do i just use it together with avatar?

[unborn island]

I would, yes

@cerulean tusk are you on Ravencrest EU?

Or is this person just a fan?

[sharp gale]

By curiosity I checked it I’m really in a smol realm I guess

[regal yarrow]

Has it been everyone else's experience that you do maybe 10-15% less damage than the DPS in your groups? I want to play fury, but it just doesn't even feel worth it to not tank

[visual spade]

every time i say i want to dps i just do another tank key and go oh, i am a dps

[ionic nimbus]

Everytime i start playing dps, i see pigtanks and roll back to tank again…

[regal yarrow]

it also doesn't help that we can't really get those 20m bursts that other classes get in our dps specs

[solid sun]

Well I’d imagine if you’re good at fury you’ll do more than just 10-15% more damage than what you do as prot

[red tree]

My realm is full but top 5 would be like 2700

[ionic fern]

Yes,if you play well and mostly pug,that can be the case. You can even out dps some of them from time to time.

[sharp gale]

How, I vault fill I’m near 2k700 I do 8 dungeons and stop

[solid sun]

You got me beat and I do way more dungeons than that

I’m 2526 and I’ve done an obnoxious number of dungeons this season

[sharp gale]

I started this reset to go up after 2 10s seeing shit dies so fast and 10s are too rio hell already

(I failed 1 11 yes)

[solid sun]

Healer griefed our 10 flood. I griefed our 10 priory, haven’t attempted a 10 meadery

[sharp gale]

3rd boss or bubble grief ?

[solid sun]

Last boss

Mistweaver electrified like all the puddles with a circle

Also died on the second try on the last boss causing one other to die and slowing dps at the finish line. Real unfortunate

[red tree]

Idk top pwar is 3k+ and next highest is 2738 lol

[sharp gale]

Where my warrior is 2.625, no set loser and 0 craft enjoyer

[solid sun]

I’m seeing a lot of prot wars at 3k or above

[lofty warren]

On bee boss in cider beer what is tank supposed to do? It keeps dropping aids where I stand and boss keeps making more and more children bees

[placid raft]

Dps have to ride the bees and destroy barrels

if not you will have to deal with a lot of bees

[remote anchor]

i usually drop the fire in a line at the wall

then just tank bees

[sharp gale]

And dps do bees usually when you go drop the fire

[placid raft]

Yeah, usually you have to drop puddles at wall cause if bees touch the puddle they get buffed

[lofty warren]

Ok drop aids at wall and get aggro on children hot it

[remote anchor]

do they?

never noticed

[placid raft]

They get like a barrier

[sharp gale]

The corpse

[placid raft]

i don`t know what kind of buff they get exactly

But i see them getting a barrier

Ok i checked it

They start healing after they touch it

And they gain 50% haste and immunity to CC

[sharp gale]

If you have something to /say countdown of fire puddle you can leap and charge

[lofty warren]

On last boss of cider beer tank is supposed to just aim the cone at big barrel and dodge the rolling fire balls?

[sharp gale]

I always aim behind the desk and get bumped on the desk

The whole fight

[lofty warren]

Also don't you drop aids like every 5 seconds on bee boss? Wonder if you really to move to middle and back over and over

[placid raft]

I try to clean at least 1-2 barrels with that

I get hit, charge, then i aim at desk after that

[sharp gale]

I clean 1

[lofty warren]

Hmm ppl I was in said to aim it at big barrels

[sharp gale]

And never more, healer choose what he prefers

I prefer 0 ambiguity on where the cone is

In pug

[placid raft]

I always look fast behind me

to see if there`s anyone behind me

But yeah, it can happen

PUg is a feast

[sharp gale]

You are solo making a feast if you turn with the cone

[placid raft]

I never turn suddenly

[lofty warren]

What happens if the not all the barrels are blown up?

[placid raft]

The goblins pops them

And they all explode at once

which means the fire barrels will stack the dots

[sharp gale]

They blow up after intermission group damage that’s why healer might prefer to let some of them

[balmy nova]

I usually ping danger for where my cones gonna be !

[lofty warren]

If tank always points cone to 1 area can everyone else pop the barrels before they all get popped by boss?

[sharp gale]

Yes and you don’t’ need to explode all of them

[remote anchor]

you only want to explode the big barrels

the rest you ignore

[balmy nova]

For my disc heal he prefer 1-2-0

[remote anchor]

i usually blow up as tank

i go 2-1-1

[sharp gale]

That’s what pug healer seems to like

[lofty warren]

What if you don't explode any big barrels and basically stand on top of desk 100% of time? Other ppl in group can pop the little and big barrels themselves?

[remote anchor]

yea they could

[sharp gale]

She explodes every remaining big barrels after the on top desk group damage

[remote anchor]

yea but its the same dot as if you explode them yourself

just overlaps with the groupdamage

[sharp gale]

That’s why some healer prefer to heal the group damage and 1 or 2 big barrels with the same cd

(I only did 11 cinder so no high keys damage might not be ideal if it was real damage)

[civic marten]

Anyone else getting CHUNKED by 3rd boss of Motherload? Hits like nothing else I’ve encountered

[unborn island]

It's all magic damage, basically need CDs all the time

I always start her with spell block up

Then rotate reflect/wall etc next phase

[remote anchor]

he only hits you for short intervals

[unborn island]

Yeah, the only time you get more than 1/2 hits is after the propellant phase and before the next one

[lusty grotto]

since bfa

thankfully we have spell block this time around

and SR dr

not nearly as punishing as it was in the entirety of BFA due to those 2

[solid sun]

Yesterday after work, I sat down and decided to work on 10s. Went from no timed 10s to all but 3 timed 10s. Def easier than I was anticipating

[lusty grotto]

the difficulty curve is very lenient, its a good thing

[ionic yarrow]

wowhead's BiS cloak is Trashmaster's Mantle, is that a troll or am I missing something?

[lusty grotto]

its good with that specific set

due to sims

but probably not before

[unborn dragon]

Do y'all keep uptime on ignore pain in raid? Or is it better to just use it as we need it on things like tank busters?

I know we want it up all the time in keys but I feel like raid has more leeway

[lusty grotto]

no, we use it the same way as anywhere, to burn rage

except maybe on Rik Reverb

[unborn dragon]

But my revenge spam

[lusty grotto]

right, spam away, but you should have one up, you dont want to cap rage ever

[lilac widget]

i can take slam and whirlwind off my bars cant i? Revenge does more dam than slam for same rage baseline, is there anything im missing?

[lusty grotto]

yes

those 2 are never used

rend as well since tc applies it

[lilac widget]

ive just seen the top prot warr is using seismic reverberations on murlok, should i swap that for beserker shout?

[lusty grotto]

have you looked at wowhead or icyveins?

seismic is picked on all builds

[lilac widget]

ohhh, ignore me, on murlok it was showing the arms version. i was thinking why we taking that we dont use whirlwind and we dont get cleave 🙂

[lusty grotto]

thats why you dont look at murlok

and look at our guides instead

and if you do want to look at murlok at least get some information from those specific players as to why they picked those

[lilac widget]

yeah i use wowhead, but i want to see what other people are using too

yeah

[solid sun]

I don’t feel like I ever get anything out of that type of resource

[thin marten]

is tome of light's devotion as good as it sounds

for m+

[solid sun]

Top raider.io dudes, high key streamers, etc.

[vocal flame]

yes very

there are other trinkets from raid you can get but if you only do m+ thats one of the best

[cerulean tusk]

It isa mi
Yep

[vivid lantern]

Do most people just raid bots sim Patchwork? or just prio Haste Crit? I have a lot of haste (37.5% unbuffed no ITF), I was going to go for the ToP haste crit ring. When I sim it seems like Crit Vers and crit mastery is more dps.

I'm just an M+ player at 12s.

[little ermine]

i just get as much haste as i can, without getting to the second tier of diminishing returns

sure, with less haste and maybe more mastery i would do more damage, but i enjoy having a lot of haste

[vivid lantern]

Cool thanks.

[deft raptor]

how is tome so good, like it's simming almost same dps for me 658 vs a 658 pacemaker, is it just that good?

[lilac widget]

@solid sun i like to see what other people are running, i start with the bis wowhead build as a base, but then over time change bits for stuff i like more, would take half the fun out of wow for me if i didnt get to somewhat have an input on the builds im playing

[cerulean tusk]

It is pretty good
It got crit and the dam proc is quite strong
Armor is neato too

[dense remnant]

check the pins for custom APL for sims

[deft raptor]

ahh i see the tooltip doesnt show full ability, neat trinket

[cerulean tusk]

It only shows the first half (that is up less than 20% of the time) by default

It is a neato cheato trinky indeed

[vocal flame]

you have constant +2900 crit or something like that

the sim is weird too but it really does boost damage

I have even flipped the pages on magic heavy fights just for the absorb and it helps a lot

[solid sun]

Different strokes for different folks. I get very little out of seeing what top players do because my situation is so different than theirs.

I also don’t even think about talents. If this game had no talents it’d make no difference to me. I find the build nom suggests and send it. The fun for me is just the instances themselves lol

[lusty grotto]

bruh

jesus fucking christ

[vocal flame]

? ^

[solid sun]

He didn’t have tome and then got one and it’s the warbound lower track version

[jagged pier]

Happened to me too

[lusty grotto]

and i have myth signet

so yeah blizzard trolling me

when the loot popped up i was hard crossing fingers so it was the other way around

obv get fucked by rng 200% of the time

[solid sun]

Sorry mate

You’ll get it next time or in the vault

[lusty grotto]

is ok

[jagged pier]

Yer me too

I got wrosts for the 3rd time at the same time as well

[thin marten]

just got the cinderbrew neck after 21 runs

priory time

[smoky anvil]

I pray for you

[thin marten]

is it worth getting the algari diamond bonus or just put deadly emeralds everywhere

[solid sun]

Which gem brings out the color in your eyes more

Or matches your tmog better

[thin marten]

I'm colorblind

[solid sun]

Buy those glasses

[thin marten]

I come here seeking fashion advice

[solid sun]

I’m p sure the wowhead guide shows one of the diamonds and the rest emeralds

[vocal flame]

You will get it Tuesday no worries

[thin marten]

looking at the chinese warriors on rio they're just stacking vers gems

[solid sun]

I can’t speak to the motivations of these Chinese warriors you speak of

[sudden lynx]

Man I got 2k but I dont have any hero gear to spend my catalyst on (im probably not hitting myth gear)

[small steeple]

CN players always run their own meta

[urban portal]

CN warriors also have a bit more than vers

Maybe some delves buffs

Maybe some MOP buffs

They do illegal things over there

[cerulean tusk]

CN do run all the versa and stack it up to silly levels. 3% mark of the wild, no druid. Some 12k versa from seasonal buffs. 3k from their seasonal food. 10% from aura stolen.
It is quite good when stacked to it's potential

While I am certain there are others than CN doing this too, it is just seemingly a more thriving scene of this kind of minmax on their side of the Internet

[small steeple]

I'm suprised this stuff is still going on considering over 8000 CN players just got banned for doing it in season 1

[grim pilot]

They got their titles revoked

Not banned

[cerulean tusk]

Bannes, more like got a timeout and title revoked. From what I seen they all back and on there doing their thing

[small steeple]

I thought it was both?

[cerulean tusk]

They got the a few days ban

[small steeple]

guess I misread that part or madela effect'd myself

ah ok

[cerulean tusk]

Not perma ban

[grim pilot]

It isnt said anywhere about any bans either

Only few people with serious circumstances

Whatever qualifies to that

[solid sun]

If I wanna make floodgate more efficient should I try to b line to the first boss and use lust on her or should I try a big pull and just lust that first pull

[strong forum]

People Lust 1st boss to 1phase it during the dmg amp

[solid sun]

This must mean by dps doesn’t do enough damage

[grim pilot]

They also do the BL pull without BL

[solid sun]

We have never single phased her

What’s “the bl pull”

[dusky canopy]

Check your dps overall damage on first boss

[past magnet]

Anyone who can give me an good explantion on how Spell Block works ?

[dusky canopy]

If adds are not significantly high they’re inting

[cerulean tusk]

As long adds die before shield, I don't look

[dusky canopy]

My favorite route so far this season, tank pull first pull with mother and we lusted

Felt efficient

But I see why you’d lust the first damage amp

[lusty grotto]

thats a spicy pull

considering you pull mcfatty that does the aoe

[solid sun]

So yall are running through the wilderness

Killing all that stuff

[lusty grotto]

right side

[solid sun]

And then jumping down to mama

And you’re trying to kill all the adds before she does the shield

That def ain’t happening in my groups. Those robots live for 17 weeks

[lusty grotto]

its still early

i just triple on right side and lust that

before boss since boss has the vuln phase it goes down fast anyway

not a huge loss, just way more efficient to do what brew said

but risky

[thin marten]

I didn't know there were actual gameplay differences on CN

[lusty grotto]

theres always gonna be given that they have stuff that's blocked, and you dont see them around here

different sources of information

[thin marten]

who's even hosting wow in china

thought perfect world lost their rights or whatever

[lusty grotto]

that didnt stop them from playing

you should log on NA-Illidan

and see for yourself 😉

[deft raptor]

how do i maximize the tome trinket to stay in sword mode more than defensive? hit the on-use if im in defensive mode to switch to sword and repeat that everytime it cycles back to defensive?

[dense remnant]

pretty much

[lusty grotto]

pins

2nd pin

[ionic yarrow]

Is it better to have different colored gems to trigger blasphemite or just stack one?

[lusty grotto]

go by sims

sometimes it is, sometimes it isnt

[deft raptor]

sorry i always forget the pins lol

[dense remnant]

tbf the pin doesnt mention how to play it

it just tells how the trinket works

[ionic yarrow]

I've heard sims don't work with blaphemite well, is that wrong?

[pallid quiver]

You should check the second pin about it

[lusty grotto]

its just stats, so sims should

[dense remnant]

unless im blind, that pin doesnt tell how to play it in simple terms

[dense remnant]

you need to read and understand what youre reading to know how to use it

[nocturne spindle]

Dps increase from diamond is stinky

Get the move speed one

[deft raptor]

is there a weak aura or something to track which mode you're in easier?

[lusty grotto]

rebek youre right on both counts

reading the pins give you the idea of how to play it

not how to play it specifically

[dense remnant]

ye, but if that had "so you should press the button as soon as you enter shield mode for maximum damage", but could also have a note about how long you might wanna wait until pressing it if there's a dmg amp or your cds are coming out

[lusty grotto]

thats cause there's no specific answers

[dense remnant]

why not?

that should be simmable

[lusty grotto]

because it differs due to content type

[pallid quiver]

most damage amps you don't take damage during, either, meaning you're not progressing towards shield mode

[lusty grotto]

m+ higher target count it'll swap faster

[dense remnant]

same as generally how long you might wanna sit on avatar or demolish if your demo shout is coming up? is it 2seconds in a general patchwerk fight? or maybe 5s?

[lusty grotto]

idk i never look at sims for those, seems pretty simple to figure out

[dense remnant]

surely its not correct to send demolish if your avatar and/or demo shout arent up but will be off cd in a few seconds? even if they generally line up, its not always the case

[lusty grotto]

its not like you lose a lot of damage by not sending it

[dense remnant]

sure, but thats napkin math and feelycraft

[lusty grotto]

since you have 10 stacks of colossal might buffing you

uhh ok

what is your number 1 damage in breakdowns?

is it demolish or revenge?

its revenge

so...

[dense remnant]

napkin math and feelycraft can get you a long way, dont get me wrong, but sim and APL work is the actual only resource you should trust when theorycrafting

[lusty grotto]

yes

[dense remnant]

but these are small things, generally not worth putting much effort in to

[lusty grotto]

im not exactly new here

there just isnt a situation where you have to hold demolish for long unless if youre just sending random spells at random times

[dense remnant]

sorry, i am new here, and i was wondering how tank specs generally view APL/theorycrafting work, cos ive seen many different points of view across many different dps specs, some of which are just wild

[lusty grotto]

its literally a couple of seconds away from demo and avatar is pretty much always available with IO

with correct play

[cyan bronze]

last tier nom said a few gcds for demolish

none for avatar

as long as avatar will still be up for the cast of demolish

[dense remnant]

thx thx

these sorta things arent written up anywhere, right?

[cyan bronze]

the exact time you hold for idt is

but generally you just want to send

holding demolish hurts

[lusty grotto]

Nah

Since 10 stacks of colossal might is buffing your revenges

Are*

Like you wouldn't hold for 30s

But a couple of seconds is fine

Think like a dps player

Damage amp fights, you almost always hold cds for the damage amp

Without an exception

buff windows are always more important

[quick iron]

How far back can you stand on the final boss of rookery? It feels like even in the middle of the platform I dont have enough time to move out of oblivion wave

[lusty grotto]

you move out of it?

i just tank it lol

[cerulean tusk]

You can dodge it?

[quick iron]

I mean if I have spell block up sure, but that thing hurts on a 12

[lusty grotto]

wall and sr?

it doesnt happen that often lol

[dense remnant]

the train tracks

[cerulean tusk]

I don't even feel it on a 12

[unborn island]

Happened to me with pacemaker

[cerulean tusk]

I now need to try to intervene away from it tho

[cyan bronze]

meh

[dense remnant]

generally you can just strafe out of it, unless there's an overlap of circles and then you can choose which one you wanna tank

[lusty grotto]

punish stacks do work too remember

[cyan bronze]

it’s up for 10 vs 8 anyways

[lusty grotto]

yup

[quick iron]

keep[ forgetting sr gives matgic ressit

dont type and dungeon kids

[lusty grotto]

lol its fine

remember you can edit

[cerulean tusk]

Never edit

Only cowards do

[lusty grotto]

funky smells good

[cerulean tusk]

And politicians

[cerulean tusk]

oh you

[lusty grotto]

[cerulean tusk]

Well you smell

I won't edit that.

[lusty grotto]

tbf i havent had a shower today

but soon i will smell goodge

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-washing-gif-24378147

[lusty grotto]

dat me

https://tenor.com/view/hamster-hamster-bath-hamster-shower-chocobei-hamster-clean-gif-20086537

[sudden lynx]

What do we think about dropping indom for ravager if I want to have BSV?

I feel like indom is comfortable but I'm not sure how much sustain it actually gives me anymore

[lusty grotto]

drop battering for bsv

idk i dont play indom anymore

[sudden lynx]

Already not running battering, I have a giga safe build right now since I'm playing with some friends who are a bit newer to m+

[lusty grotto]

why not

battering + ravager, no indom

ez

[vocal flame]

indom does a lot of healing but you probably don't need it

[lusty grotto]

bsv? drop battering keep ravager

[sudden lynx]

This is what I have currently, giving up a huge amount of damage for survivability

[lusty grotto]

nah

drop indom

[sudden lynx]

But I'm trying to get more damage without losing bsv if possible since my healer is slightly homeless at times

[sudden lynx]

Say less

[sudden lynx]

To be clear I realise this is far from optimal lol its kind of temporary until people play better

[cerulean tusk]

Pretty sure you can drop one of the rage gain talents for the 8% armor talent for dam

[regal yarrow]

Honestly, I was worried about dropping BSV this season, but I don't even feel like there's a slight risk of death in any of these dungeons. just drop it

[sudden lynx]

Yeah might drop bloodsurge

[cyan bronze]

would u play indom over bsv?

[lusty grotto]

oh yeah

[sudden lynx]

Hell no

[lusty grotto]

drop that one of those

[cyan bronze]

didn’t think so

[nocturne spindle]

also i would drop intervene over quicker heroic leaps

[lusty grotto]

go instigate in short pulling dungeons, bloodsurge on big pull dungeons

dont go both

[sudden lynx]

I've unfortunately been getting really good mileage out of it lol

[nocturne spindle]

if you really want intim shout

[mighty valley]

not taking enduring alacrity is crazy

[cerulean tusk]

Improved thunderclap can be moved into improved shockwave

[cyan bronze]

controller?

[lusty grotto]

agreed

[sudden lynx]

Oh man

[regal yarrow]

What key levels are you running soja?

[sudden lynx]

Steamrolled a 9 yesterday

Its the highest Ive gone so far but it was really easy

[nocturne spindle]

yea i wouldnt give up improve shockwave or faster leap

your giving up a bunch of cc to grab shout

[cyan bronze]

improved leap is a crutch

[nocturne spindle]

which is a long CD CC

[regal yarrow]

What are you getting BSV procced from?

[cerulean tusk]

Imp shockwave as col is giga

[sudden lynx]

I've just noticed I need to have multiple stops

[sudden lynx]

Healer being new

Playing with friends but still want big pulls

[nocturne spindle]

yea but youll get more stops from improve shockwave than having regular and shout

[lusty grotto]

thats not why

[sudden lynx]

Oh fr??

[vocal flame]

You are sacrificing a bit too much so the healer can learn. They need to participate more especially if you are doing fine in 9s. That is the best way they can learn.

[cerulean tusk]

Nothing wrong with BSV, it is a safety blanket

[vocal flame]

They are not learning if you are easy to heal etc

and int everything

[sudden lynx]

Good point actually

[regal yarrow]

What specifically is proccing your BSV? You shouldn't really need a healer

[lusty grotto]

yeah not in that level of key at least

and with proper gearing

[cyan bronze]

i play bsv because it procs a funny sound effect on @broken crater ui

[sudden lynx]

Just not getting a heal in a long time

[cyan bronze]

[sudden lynx]

People make a lot of mistakes so everyone is a bit dizzy

[lusty grotto]

algari healing pots are super cheap, i always buy 100 of them

[sudden lynx]

based

[lusty grotto]

and victory rush

[nocturne spindle]

in 5 minutes youll get 6 shockwaves and 3 shouts. with improve shocwave youll get 10 shockwaves so

overall more stops

[sudden lynx]

I spam this like crazy yeah

[sudden lynx]

HOLY

Is that simmable or something?? Thats huge

[nocturne spindle]

uhh

[cyan bronze]

why aren’t we just giving up rage cap talent

like what

[nocturne spindle]

i mean no its just math

about how long the CDs are

[sudden lynx]

This is just comfort

Used it to get used to colossus then never took it off

[cyan bronze]

it’s a wasted point imo

[sudden lynx]

Just made it easier to get weaned off IP spam in my head

[cyan bronze]

intervene also u can drop potentially

[lusty grotto]

that sounds like youre not playing correctly

[sudden lynx]

Naw its fine whenever I pug

[vocal flame]

Soja you are wearing plated armor walking into a snow ball fight, time to reduce that a bit, grab rock and stone and go in their with just a loincloth

[lusty grotto]

nobody of us spams victory rush like crazy

[cyan bronze]

i do sometimes

[vocal flame]

there* see i dont edit lol

[sudden lynx]

And I dont when I play with other people, but if I need it im gonna use it

[cyan bronze]

when i hit victory rush

[sudden lynx]

Shrimple

[cyan bronze]

i also hit all my buttons a lot when i hit them…

[sudden lynx]

ikr

[cyan bronze]

surely it reduces gcd

[regal yarrow]

Soja, you're doing something wrong if you're dying in 9s. if you don't want help you should just say that instead of blaming the people you group with

[sudden lynx]

I'm not dying in 9's

??

[regal yarrow]

I give up

[sudden lynx]

I really dont understand what you want from me

[lusty grotto]

do you have logs

[sudden lynx]

The issue isnt that im not clearing anything with this setup

[lusty grotto]

a bad healer wont make or break your surv in 9s

thats what we're getting at

your group will suffer

but not specifically you

[cyan bronze]

tbf

idt he ever said he did die

just that he procced bsv

[sudden lynx]

Right and that point has come across

[regal yarrow]

He's running BSV. That means you're worried about dying

[cyan bronze]

potentially meaning he lived

[cerulean tusk]

Well, warrior do require some healing and debuff management

[sudden lynx]

Correct

[lusty grotto]

well i mean hes spamming victory rush

[cyan bronze]

i mean it shouldn’t be necessary for 9s but

[cerulean tusk]

But why

[cyan bronze]

ya

[lusty grotto]

and has odd talents

[mighty valley]

gonna reiterate that if your goal is to be more sturdy you should probably take the 8% armor talent that's sitting on the table

[lusty grotto]

☝️

[cyan bronze]

@lusty grotto

u read books?

[sudden lynx]

Tentative new setup