so before i build my own around that base, does someone have a weakaura that tracks the extra buff duration nicely for example
#protection
dense remnant
strange lintel
hey for trinkets. do we need any of the actual tanking trinkets or just go full blast with w.e aoe dps trinkets i can slap on?
jagged pier
lilac widget
hey guys does raidbots only sim for dps and not survivability etc? i have the defensive trinket from stix but a lower ilvl noggenfogger is simming much higher
jagged pier
Well u can surivie with top dps stats and gear, so u might as well sim as surivibility comes from play not gear and stats
But if having a defnesive trinket makes u feel bettee run it. Even tho bombsuit is the only good one
karmic stream
which one? my other trinket is tank one from gallyx
gentle acorn
I’m noticing that avatar and demo shout often are coming off cd around 4-7 seconds from each other, is it worth holding avatar for that or just pumping it, same for demolish
wicked pollen
ava no
gentle acorn
This is assuming that you loose no casts over a fight
urban portal
This is assuming that you loose no casts over a fight
If you lose NO casts over the fight then yes hold it
But you don’t know whether you’ll lose no casts because you can’t see the future
And every couple seconds is a partial casts and it adds up
solid sun
infinitely
Everything dies instantly
I just send avatar asap everytime because that’s what the guide says to do and never even ever second guessed it
solid sun
How happy are you
strong forum
3
jagged pier
2
wicked pollen
1
winged pawn
is operation floodgate the hardest dungeon to pug?
frozen sentinel
ehh depends, I personally don’t like brewery
Floodgate isn’t too bad once you know mechanics
smoky anvil
I like Floodgate. I hate Brewery.
winged pawn
yeah that makes sense. its such a mixed bag for flood gate. sometimes i can't even beat the first boss and other times we finish with like 10 min left
in low keys
smoky anvil
I linked damage from a 6 floodgate the other day. I didn’t mention we wiped in it lmao. It’s an easy dungeon to have things go wrong if certain if/then statements aren’t done in a proper manner.
tacit falcon
I like Floodgate. I hate Brewery.
that fucking bee boss. If people just zerg, it gets so stupid.
smoky anvil
that fucking bee boss. If people just zerg, it gets so stupid.
The trash vexes me more than the bosses.
But ye. I was having a hard time on the fight cuz of that. I asked my boys wtf, “I was in my CDs man I’m not doing that mechanic”
tacit falcon
yea, dps are fucking BRAIN rotted.
toxic pewter
I’ve been only pugging and large majority of groups have been fine
mental flower
Has the proc chance on our 2piece been figured out yet?
strong forum
1rppm
solid sun
I think the dungeon we have had the hardest time in is priory
But we also continue to get better at it
And that’s what mostly matters to me. If it seems like we are figuring the puzzle out I’m happy
vocal flame
Need very very good utility and communication for ints etc for high level priory its hard in pugs
sharp gale
I think the dungeon we have had the hardest time in is priory
And it is hard just bc sharpshooters and divine tolls
vocal flame
yeah that makes sense. its such a mixed bag for flood gate. sometimes i can't ev...
I love when they take their circles and kill all the clean water so I cant cleanse my spark
winged pawn
I love when they take their circles and kill all the clean water so I cant clean...
😂 swamp face is worse for me. team doesn't know left from right
solid sun
I love when they take their circles and kill all the clean water so I cant clean...
Bro I can’t even describe how frustrated I get when this happens
In discord biting my tongue because these rascals just fucking me
vocal flame
haha
winged pawn
In discord biting my tongue because these rascals just fucking me
then u get hit with 'tank???'
sharp gale
I think I died at least 3 times from bumped into water
solid sun
Thank yall so much
I really felt alone in zap idiot jail
It’s good to know I have some friends experiencing the same silliness
tacit falcon
yesterday it bugged twice in a row and the ball wouldn't dissapear with the water 🙂
that was fun
solid sun
lol tbh
I think I’d prefer it bugging out
Gotta feel better than the squad sabotaging you
sharp gale
Now I just heroic leap to the other side and fuck dps players
tacit falcon
FACTS. that's a "fuck you
moment
or you get paired with the one ranged standing out on mud boss
vital vale
btw for those who needed to know this, the water doesn't rly hurt you until it's electrified
so you can walk into and past a water circle when kiting
just get out before the spark goes in
sharp gale
im gonna hide surrounded by 5 puddles i don’t even know how a melee can come here hihihi
tacit falcon
sounds like the dps need to "get gud"
sharp gale
The day they will understand they can cross water puddle
tacit falcon
speaking of which, it's time to live in floodgate
idle copper
😂 swamp face is worse for me. team doesn't know left from right
Then you get some smart ass DPS able to drop combat and you unexpectedly end up with a vine
idle copper
I think I died at least 3 times from bumped into water
Tank him with your back against the control panel at the top for the first knock back. Then leap to other side (entrance of room) to clear spark and second knock back
idle copper
btw for those who needed to know this, the water doesn't rly hurt you until it's...
Good to know
sharp gale
Tank him with your back against the control panel at the top for the first knock...
That’s exactly what I do 👍
small steeple
But ye. I was having a hard time on the fight cuz of that. I asked my boys wtf, ...
Tell 'em to have a brain cell and use the cd after the mechanic lol
dusky canopy
@lusty grotto bro the 13 priory I missed by 24 seconds last week got changed to timed with the M+ timer tuning
small steeple
wait timer changes are retroactive? Does that mean if you timed a rookery last week, it could now be untimed with the shorter timer?
small steeple
oh damn
I wonder if you timed a 10 rookery, go tthe portal, and now its no longer timed.... do yuo stil have the portal?
sharp gale
They removed 1 min from darkflame and added 1 30 in priory
ionic nimbus
wait timer changes are retroactive? Does that mean if you timed a rookery last ...
Happened to our 11 Rookery from id 1..shit Happens but you will time it again anyways
And Even with reduced timer DFC is nerfed… this worm change is a big w
small steeple
I love the worm change
If that was live last week I might have actually tried to run my 13 dfc instead of pugging into groups for the last few days
lusty grotto
<@131897531251556352> bro the 13 priory I missed by 24 seconds last week got cha...
Oh no
tacit falcon
fr those worms were VILE.
lusty grotto
You make up with platform count
sharp gale
You need 1 extra pack from lich platforms
lusty grotto
Ye
sharp gale
(I usually take the 1 caster with 3 smol dudes pack)
wooden robin
YUGE
small steeple
I made the mistake of taking extra bone mages. I ltierally got insta 1 shot by the bone spears before I could stun em
Was hilarious
tacit falcon
oh god I did an 8 TOP at like 640
lusty grotto
Bone mages ez with purge or mass dispel
lusty grotto
Oh no
tacit falcon
to the fucking shadow realm
lusty grotto
Lolllll
tacit falcon
that's when I started checking the spreadsheet
dusky canopy
Wait you can MD the bone spear dudes and they no longer one shot!?
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
dusky canopy
Good coms good coms
small steeple
Wait you can MD the bone spear dudes and they no longer one shot!?
no, but half over the hp is an absorb shield i think
dusky canopy
dab
lusty grotto
No I mean you take their shields off, don't try this lurkers
sharp gale
no, but half over the hp is an absorb shield i think
Mages can steal the absorb
dusky canopy
Lurkdz
small steeple
Mages can steal the absorb
Screw them mages
dusky canopy
solid sun
I love theater
Every run at least one person gets launched by a tornado
At least two people get owned by spears
smoky anvil
ToP is comfy.
smoky anvil
Gorechop is one of the best designed dungeon bosses of all time
tacit falcon
I'm definitely caring less and less the opinions of the fucking dps lol
even in my friend group lmao
sharp gale
The abom boss is really bad design imo
smoky anvil
I think it’s a fair boss. Ezpz.
solid sun
even in my friend group lmao
The healer and the tank get to have opinions. Dps adjust
smoky anvil
The healer and the tank get to have opinions. Dps adjust
100 fucking percent
tacit falcon
The healer and the tank get to have opinions. Dps adjust
honestly.
sharp gale
I think it’s a fair boss. Ezpz.
Camera being weird = bad
dusky canopy
Links the same image
small steeple
small steeple
*Links the same image*
hush you
small steeple
Everything in that dungeon with only a few exceptions is blockable
sharp gale
And no trashs dungeon so….
One part is full casters with 0 melee swings except few
ML
solid sun
I really don’t think ML is too bad
Just depends on how much extra stuff gets pulled over the course of the dungeon
small steeple
<:clueless:1099922541923024997>
hit the ehrps button, wanna see that
sharp gale
hit the ehrps button, wanna see that
Idk if I got logged with my warrior
small steeple
no thats hps, in damage taken you can toggle into ehrps
Basically shows how much healing the healer had to give you
sharp gale
2 war to compensate dk screen
sharp gale
Basically shows how much healing the healer had to give you
Around 300k I don’t need to see to know
1. 3m dtps and I heal myself 1 m
(I didn’t die)
300k is outside of me
sharp gale
It doesn’t matter in a 10, dk damage is random proc and explode after 10 seconds (things needs to live)
vocal flame
cant do damage if you are ded
small steeple
It doesn’t matter in a 10, dk damage is random proc and explode after 10 seconds...
My friend, I mained blood last season, I understand
The pure joy
of a blood beast doing 30m dps
sharp gale
I hate and love blood is life
small steeple
Honestly blood beast will just be stronger this season with how big the pulls are
sharp gale
But this week shit dies so fast I started to vault fill going up in keys
I want to see me again at 20 m in cinderbrew first room
sharp gale
My dk is just a guild raid thing, he will get deleted when I don’t need him anymore
(When guild realizes you don’t need a bdk in this raid)
solid sun
I love bdk
Probably my most played tank
But I don’t like deathbringer at all so I didn’t really touch it this expansion
sharp gale
I love it too, but I don’t want to push ever on it and random damage = in my trash can
smoky anvil
Sanlayn is actually banging?
small steeple
But I don’t like deathbringer at all so I didn’t really touch it this expansion
San'Layan is great
sharp gale
It is why bdk is top damage, we play sanlayn and get a proc before the pack is half dead
small steeple
Blood is in the situation where both hero trees are really strong and have their place
sharp gale
I play the mark hero talent in ToP
sand condor
sudden lynx
Anyone else find priory first boss to be a MENACE on fort? Did a +5 and it was fine, but the +8 was unplayable for me
The tankbuster bleed absolutely shredded through SB IP SW
Might have been a healer thing but I feel like I shouldn't need to be giga pumped with heals just to live
Im 650ilvl healer was 638 so was fine on that front as well
UNFORTUNATELY I didnt think to save the logs or I would have posted them for review
neon elk
Bleed dmg shouldnt depend on fort, its boss so its tyra . Make sure healer dispel u, then its all just CDs, dump rage into IP and pray your heal isnt afk, this is probably worst boss for pwar and u are in healers hands whole fight
Also we have tyra week unless its 10+
half sapphire
Yeah, tanked that guy on a 10 yesterday. Get that defensive stance up and pray your healer knows how heavy it is when it’s your time of the month
thin marten
any cool weakaura for tracking luck of the draw
strong forum
Might have been a healer thing but I feel like I shouldn't need to be giga pumpe...
healer thing
pure sinew
Any advice on rage management as you start to push higher keys? I feel like I am constantly rage starved and nothing to do about it? I think I am definitely pressing revenge too much so that might be one change but otherwise not sure whatelse to do.
hushed cobalt
speaking of priory first boss, i've noticed that i'll be fine for the first 75% of the fight, get chunked and slapped for a bit, then be fine for the rest of the fight. healer is dispelling and i dstance swap here and there, just not sure if there's something i'm missing 🤷♂️
smoky anvil
If you go left, healer has to put their big person undies on.
mighty valley
Any advice on rage management as you start to push higher keys? I feel like I am...
you're probably pressing IP too much, ideally you want to keep enough in the tank to always have buttons to press
smoky anvil
And you need to rotate CDs and pray they have hands and can dispel.
tacit falcon
fucking rogue and ret kept taking my close puddles
I get told "we pumped, it doesn't matter, cry more when the dps is bad"
these fucking people wonder why keys take forever to fill
tacit falcon
If you go left, healer has to put their big person undies on.
god i fucking loathe right though.
smoky anvil
god i fucking loathe right though.
I don’t go right. I just lock in and deal with it on boss.
tacit falcon
I don’t go right. I just lock in and deal with it on boss.
same LOL
usually 2 of my 3 dps girlie pops are melee anyway
sudden lynx
Bleed dmg shouldnt depend on fort, its boss so its tyra . Make sure healer disp...
Thank GOD I thought I'd lost my hands
tribal wharf
the mage is literal one of the npc characters in the game right now
cant decide between khadgar and foot lady xal'atath
tacit falcon
More like Xal'Atoessy, amirite bois
that little toe knuckle on her left foot is perfection and we all know it.
smoky anvil
cant decide between khadgar and ~~foot lady~~ xal'atath
Not foot lady it’s foot mommy
tribal wharf
there was big mom energy in df and it was too much overwhelming
round cliff
i dont get ppls problems with going right on priory
just don't skill diff and ur good
hardy snow
i dont get ppls problems with going right on priory
going right is like taking harder trash in order to have harder boss fight 🤷♂️
tribal wharf
I pop into this chat and see yogi talking about big mom energy
i mean, i was polite and said lady
neat vector
any1 did underpin on ??
stiff gate
left route hurts to tank
only if your healer doesn't dispel you on the 25% damage taken debuff
round cliff
perchance
hardy snow
left route hurts to tank
yea, its just pumping numbers, until very high key lvl its nothing
jagged pier
any1 did underpin on ??
Ye its a joke
queen hemlock
is impenetrable wall better or is defender's aegis better?
i see alot of high keys running aegis, but was told that IW was better for keys in the past for general wall uptime
queen hemlock
IW dont give rage anymore
torn gulch
not it's not anymore
sharp gale
They moved the rage of IW in colossus tree
queen hemlock
moved?
sharp gale
queen hemlock
wait then thane uses IW or aegis?
sharp gale
Aegis
sharp gale
You don’t use IW in any case
queen hemlock
didnt know they removed rage from IW
thought i get to be raged to the high heavens
neat vector
Ye its a joke
yeah i tried it as arms couldn't get below 65% then as prot i kill it ez 😆
sharp gale
thought i get to be raged to the high heavens
Because you don’t press revenge>TC as thane
slow moon
dumb question: am i supposed to be able to stay alive against dornogal tank dummies indefinitely?
ruby musk
Those look like OG hunter pvp shoulders
tribal wharf
w/p looks like its right out or retail
mage priest lock they just did a copy pasta
recolour
slow moon
these are all recolors
tribal wharf
but the use of color ranges they are doing is good
my thoughts is that its the SCARLET crusade
slow moon
warrior and paladin are just the t6 warrior set
tribal wharf
so, alot of it should have red?
or like the same like, cultic red white black grey gold silver themes you find all over SM
here look,
one of these things is not like the others....
tribal wharf
it is i would just have major feels bads if i was warlock
smoky anvil
Marvelous coloring
tribal wharf
and my buddy is a friggin mage or prest
tribal wharf
im saying i think they could recolor everything to have red
and should ppl love color red
scarlet monestary
tribal wharf
its sort of like, you know how you have to hit the randomize name/face in wow like 20 times
to get whta you want
they should do that for these sets of armor
slow moon
does prot receive shield block CD reduction somehow? 13 sec cd but 8 sec uptime
other than shield charge and the last stand talent
slow moon
so i'll have gaps until i get a haste threshold?
tribal wharf
you don't have gaps unless you play really badly or have really low haste
most important thing is hit SS to gen rage to cast sb, facing towards them
sudden lynx
other than shield charge and the last stand talent
Heavy repercussions goes a long way Ive noticed
slow moon
ohhhh
sudden lynx
Until you have t4
slow moon
thats what i was missing
sudden lynx
Then you wont really need any uptime talents (or so ive heard)
tribal wharf
hr vs itf is hotly contested, like usual, probably
there used to be fights about it here
cyan bronze
i don’t think it matters
objectively with tier high haste and ok play itf performs better
but if hr lets u brain off and perform better because of it then theres an argument
slow moon
the math just wasnt mathing for me, but shield charge does narrowly seem to allow full uptime
without any extras
just starting out so no tiers
slow moon
ye
tribal wharf
prot warrior would be even more goated if we just started at 25% block chance
mighty valley
?
sharp gale
mighty valley
with shield block we have 100% block chance
sharp gale
i start with 37% and pointless since you shield block x)
tribal wharf
u are like geared 656 lol
sharp gale
i removed my shield
round pendant
I'm sick of the game just not giving me haste
sharp gale
33% with oiled up gnome
vocal flame
33% with oiled up gnome
LOL wtf
there was a guild on my server called Gnome Punting Squad. So funny
slow moon
hm, in m+ you take neither intimidating shout nor disrupting shout? 😮
interrupts feel so important
sharp gale
idk i already have every 20 sec on shockwave
tribal wharf
i will forever think intim shout is cursed button but some ppl swear by it
my heart drops when they fear to other mobs
mighty valley
it's just another stop but it's harder to spare the point now
and stops are less valuable than before tww
vocal flame
if your DPS and heals int too should not be an issue are you mostly pugging?
mighty valley
my heart drops when they fear to other mobs
if anyone is doing any damage at all the fear breaks instantly
sharp gale
i would remove crackling but 1.5 min stop not worth it sorry
tribal wharf
talents talents talents
int shout
menacer
talents talents talents
what i think it should be in the tree
vocal flame
How you doing Yogi?
wicked pollen
chillin, i thought about doing sod
hi make another video about the trinket
vocal flame
He makes the best videos, I miss them
tribal wharf
i lost the footage of the next run
vocal flame
You still do it?
wicked pollen
play now and make more videos
tribal wharf
when it dropped second time on +4 key, they immediately started to roll it off
okay your rolling im rolling too
okay, why arent u trading it
and then i lost it and quit
open halo
are people going Bloodsurge or Instigate with Collosus?
vocal flame
Instigate
tribal wharf
i had the lower track version equipped
and so they automatically assumed i didnt need this one
warm palm
Quick question.
What is the best talents to trade to pick up bolster and intervene?
For the mythic+ mountain thane build
wicked pollen
what is bolster
wicked pollen
u block about 30% of hits if u never press SB
how do i play 2h prot
i want to do a 10 on it
cyan bronze
what is bolster
ass
cyan bronze
Quick question.
What is the best talents to trade to pick up bolster and inter...
what ru playing rn
if u could post
jagged pier
how do i play 2h prot
@cerulean tusk
warm palm
what ru playing rn
CkEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIGAAAAmZmhZMzMzyMLzMzsxMGjGz2YGGLDMsNzMmxMGGAAAAAAwMDAYZbDgB2glFjGzAYWixG
wicked pollen
^
cerulean tusk
<@237283524040851459>
Sup?
cyan bronze
maybe stormbolt for intervene
but ur also
no cackling thunder
that’s v strange to me
wicked pollen
drop leech
cerulean tusk
Go Thane, replace Rev with Whirlwind and you need double rav talent
Remember to change up your whole talent tree, as many things require a shield
Rotation will mainly be WW spam and executes
wicked pollen
or rumbling earth
i love instantly stun dring an entire pack
it makes me so happy
cyan bronze
meh
rumbling earth is nice
@wicked pollen why do u never run keys with me
like what
wicked pollen
you run keys when im in raid
cyan bronze
and what’s ur least favorite key and why and why is it rookery
solid sun
Why don’t you like rookery
cerulean tusk
jumpy jump denial boss annoys me
cyan bronze
i don’t hate it
however
it’s the most anti melee place I’ve ever seen
it’s fine to tank tho
daring narwhal
they just need to remove the overlap of jump into pull with no movement and it's fine tbh
tribal wharf
that rock dude from stone vault was a huge pain in th ass for similiar reasons
tribal wharf
if you even remotely too quickly nuke the adds without healer having cds dps goes poof
i just remember we'd get to him and then GG
cerulean tusk
jagged pier
https://tenor.com/view/discord-triggered-notification-angry-dog-noises-dog-girl-...
well u the master of it
he asked
cerulean tusk
native ember
my healer says i need to run bsv in 12s i told him to get good
sharp gale
leaves and insta invited to the next key
chilly brook
my healer says i need to run bsv in 12s i told him to get good
wild cuz bsv doesn't inherently make his job easier
past cobalt
the M+ talent builds that have into the fray instead of heavy repercussions, how much haste do I need to make it work? and I guess they assume that I have 4set for more frequent shield charge to fill the gaps right?
sharp gale
wild cuz bsv doesn't inherently make his job easier
And if the healer knows that and still asking to take bsv, it’s not a healer get good situation anymore
chilly brook
the M+ talent builds that have into the fray instead of heavy repercussions, how...
roughly 17k haste and to the second part of that no
we ran itf last season as well
past cobalt
really? I only did a few +5s or something as a tank last season and I always used repercussions. seems like the safter bet if you are bad at tanking
chilly brook
idk
if you never put yourself in positions where you can fail you won't learn
it's not like itf is hard to learn
it's really just as simple as press shield block
mighty valley
if you're learning a dozen other things about the spec/dungeons it's fine to make one autopilot for a bit
or if your haste is v low, you can't really win at itf
chilly brook
well yeah if your haste sucks obv don't run it
sharp gale
I fully agree, but when you start there is more important things you need to learn (as new to tanking etc) on top of Shield block, yes it is easy to manage but not to someone who fail basic rotations etc
chilly brook
you still have to press shield block when running HR
mighty valley
i dunno how long it's been since you've played HR but it's insanely forgiving lol
you can brainlessly mash SB, you can forget for long stretches, and it'll prob still be up 100%
sharp gale
And some still manage to not maintain shield block with it
fleet swift
if im new to tanking as warrior, do i run the colossus build or thame one? i saw the info and it seems like colossus is better to new players but i played feral and lots of tanks earlier so im not that new to it
have not played prot warrior ever
lusty grotto
colossus is not better for new players
thane is
but if you played bear you'll enjoy this comparison
fleet swift
oh, i read the faq and mixed them up, sorry
jagged gust
more rage, steadier IP pool at MT yeah
lusty grotto
thane is lunar bear
jagged gust
but higher APM
jagged gust
I'm tired, boss
jagged gust
colossus *demolishes* thane in aoe though
fleet swift
yeah
wicked pollen
play thane if learning
lusty grotto
also dont be one of those bears that binds iron fur to shit, first of all that's bad, second of all you'll have a BAD time as prot
lusty grotto
fleet swift
even if bear gameplay is non-stop spam iron fur
jagged gust
You're officially better than the average redditor already!
lusty grotto
💯
wicked pollen
no?
ss sb demo demo roar/spear rev tc exe sc ls wall reflect iv
aoe taunt
thats it no?
ip
lol
fleet swift
seems like some stuff is macroed together like IS/snipe
fleet swift
IP + SS Snipe Macro
fleet swift
yeah
wicked pollen
and you just have 2 ss bindd
fleet swift
yeah
do you have any logs of a good run so i can just see amount of casts per each run?
or do i just grab the top mythic gamer for that
stray sonnet
is there a weakaura for the 2set buff so i can just see when it's up?
fleet swift
stray sonnet
for shield wall proc*
sour grove
Are there any numbers available for boss execute DPS (ideally compared to other tanks)? Thinking of execute viability for a boss like OAB
wicked pollen
if you play full execute you are another dps in raid
but you have to be played around by raid
low shadow
Is heroic gally shield worth it over a random mythic shield?
sour grove
Well ideally to compare in a "normal raid" setting vacuum so I can make a 1-by-1 comparison. But I guess simming would do the trick
lusty grotto
Are there any numbers available for boss execute DPS (ideally compared to other ...
you play execute builds on parses
sour grove
Was just wondering if the numbers were already available ^^
lusty grotto
did i do good nim
yes
lusty grotto
Well ideally to compare in a "normal raid" setting vacuum so I can make a 1-by-1...
indeed, simming will let you know accurately, if you use Tome just remember to read pins
can sim between talent sets easily
lusty grotto
i didnt beat nomer or jakey did i
hmmm... i dont know i havent seen their numbers
but expect them to be better
deswind has been rocking 3-4mil on vault keys
wicked pollen
lilac widget
lusty grotto
is that demolish should in theory be higher or at least closer to SS
lilac widget
guys anyone know why im seeing this? i have a spark made
lusty grotto
i dont know what that is
i dont use that addon
but you should have 2 sparks and 1 half
so 5 halves in total
5 fractures
lilac widget
its just the script to see how many you have out of the possible
fleet swift
bad breakdown for thane
that was the log of nomeratur doing a 12
lilac widget
so now im confused, ive cleared normal and done 3 delves
lusty grotto
speak with the catalyst guy
lusty grotto
you get a fractured spark on weekly completion too
i think its delves this week
not as a drop
lusty grotto
that was the log of nomeratur doing a 12
that log makes no sense, it doesnt have TB or Demolish
what log is this
lilac widget
wait you have to do weekly to get it? i thought it was random drop from any content
lusty grotto
ravager
round pendant
Got that already
lusty grotto
battering with 4pc
wicked pollen
is that demolish should in theory be higher or at least closer to SS
in casts or damage
lusty grotto
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4Hgd3MQWZxTqrFac?fight=1&type=casts&source=...
where did you get the screenshot
this is his breakdown, not what you posted
lusty grotto
or just wait until next week and then get it as a drop
wicked pollen
this is his breakdown, not what you posted
think that was casts
lusty grotto
oh
wicked pollen
wat he posted before
neon elk
so ive got to do 5 delves, when i need 0 gear from them
Its 1 delve
fleet swift
im looking at it for bindign reasons
lusty grotto
but yeah thats accurate as colossus
lusty grotto
im looking at it for bindign reasons
if youre gonna play thane thats not gonna help you, its a colossus log
wicked pollen
was my demolish damage not high enough compared to ss?
fleet swift
ill just go with colossus
wicked pollen
me when i press ip 3 times in 2 minutes
mighty valley
so ive got to do 5 delves, when i need 0 gear from them
if you don't need gear from delves do you really need the quest rewards
lilac widget
but if i do the 5 delves, then will the other two spark halfs randomly drop? or am i still locked to the 1 this week
wicked pollen
i told all the binds no?
fleet swift
i told all the binds no?
yeah, but in terms of comfort for spamming
lusty grotto
you use all abilities
wicked pollen
^
wicked pollen
you dhould have revenge ss tc sb on easy binds
lusty grotto
sb = ironfur (but careful spamming it)
mighty valley
IP is pressed a lot and is not on gcd, so you want it somewhere easily reachable while also pressing your core rotationals
neon elk
Mousewheel goes brrr
lusty grotto
ip = frenzied regen kind of, since it doesnt heal you
fleet swift
yeah
mighty valley
i don't think bear has as many offensive cooldowns on-gcd, right
lusty grotto
maul/ravage = revenge
but you dont use it as much as thane
you use it a lot as colossus though
fleet swift
bear basically only uses the red claw thing and iron fur for dmg
lusty grotto
red claw thing
fleet swift
lmao
fuck do i know what its called
i reached like 2900 on guardian last time
i think its rake no?
lusty grotto
uhh
mighty valley
uhhhh thrash?
lusty grotto
2900 what season? DF? lol
thrash = tc
afaik people dont talent raze anymore
that was a DF thing
fleet swift
ya
lusty grotto
s2 DF
fleet swift
thrash is the spin thing
fleet swift
s2 df
lusty grotto
ive been doing hero talent comparisons
fleet swift
wait
i got it just now
s2 TWW
a little bit, mostly S1 TWW, i switched to feral for s2
lusty grotto
so this season?
fleet swift
ya
lusty grotto
im so confused i need my afternoon coffee
next pasture
am i replacing cyrce's circlet actually? or is this a sim trap
fleet swift
lmao
im so tired i need to stop talking to different people at the same time
i played bear in S1 and start of S2 in TWW, even if i rerolled feral in TWW and only tanked casually
i was thinking of mangle and thrash being used as guardian, the one i was thinking that i should not use was maul
lusty grotto
am i replacing cyrce's circlet actually? or is this a sim trap
why are you running dev raidbots
or dev build raidbots
next pasture
MDT sim
lusty grotto
huh
next pasture
i was told a while back it's the only good way to sim dungeons
lusty grotto
no
our APL isnt really optimized for it
well for dungeon slice, so i guess mdt falls into that
5 target patchwerk - 1 min / 1.5 mins
mighty valley
am i replacing cyrce's circlet actually? or is this a sim trap
it's kinda expected that a ~665 ring would equal or outpace cyrce's so this is possibly correct, but yeah, try a few more normal sim variations
lusty grotto
well there you go
lusty grotto
which reminds me, i gotta socket my hero rings
i literally re-enchanted yesterday, no enchants while gearing the first 2 weeks
0 point
hearty terrace
hey we dont make a wep do we ? its braces/shield eraly?
lusty grotto
shield>weapon>other slots, depending on vaults
mighty valley
follow your heart
jagged gust
It's my next craft if I don't get a myth weapon from vault
hearty terrace
Roger
jagged gust
Bracers/cloak is from an optimization angle
lusty grotto
cant do dawn/dusk on cloak
cloak is not an embelish option
just a fill with ilvl option
jagged gust
huh news to me
lusty grotto
but yeah good craft placement
jagged gust
nvm cloak can craft dawn/dusk
hearty terrace
so eraly on kinda smart to just make wep and shild with darkmoon on it with 2x as well?
coz my wep is 658
jagged gust
weapon ilvl is comparably the biggest increase of gear you'll get
mighty valley
embellishments do so little for us that it's not super worth stressing over
hearty terrace
toger
lusty grotto
especially this season
hearty terrace
Thank you ❤️
smoky anvil
Getting out of Cyrce jail be like https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxdoCt85zFNE9RNOdgQN3qFib0chnL9GcK?si=d9ZqTEeSUetZzJEJ
jagged gust
My sims still want me to drop cyrces for a 655 crit/mastery ring even after a few upgrades
not today satan
smoky anvil
why are you people upgrading rings lol
I ain’t. I’m just fantasizing about it.
I hate that ring.
jagged gust
655 drops from 10s, and that's apparently the only thing that they drops 😢
lusty grotto
yeah im just saying scrimshaw or w/e and william
oh
true
very telling of what kind of drops i get
which are none
jagged gust
no lie I have 5 rings in my bags, we can trade luck
jagged gust
I still haven't timed a 10 priory
lusty grotto
1 or 2 this week lmao
neon elk
Im farming dfc for helm and ring , after 20 runs ive droped stupid mount already , yet i saw 1 ring drop
unborn island
back to back, only one of those wasn't a priory or a top
I also always get Priory
Like, might get another key once I time the priory/don't do it
And then...boom, Priory again
bold turret
Any new tech... Why are the top pwar's in M+ running both spear and roar?
strong forum
cuz they cant sim
lusty grotto
Any new tech... Why are the top pwar's in M+ running both spear and roar?
better off asking them
we cant speak for them
but what Nome is saying is true, if its for dps reasons, they are nerfing themselves
we can only assume, they do it for utility reasons or w/e cause honestly i wouldn't know
strong forum
i cant come to any logical conclusion cuz:
- if they want to go for most frequent DPS gains/threat, they should play short roar + tw
- if they want to go for max dmg, its spear + both upgrades
lusty grotto
cerulean tusk
I got short roar, so I can just roar more often
lusty grotto
roar deez nuts
strong forum
i play roar for threat reasons
rly sucks not having rage on pull to send revenges and not having cds
theres just no world where both buttons is feasible
strong forum
Any new tech... Why are the top pwar's in M+ running both spear and roar?
where did you even see anyone play that
pallid quiver
theres just no world where both buttons is feasible
but what if they need a massive threat button specifically less than 30 seconds after they use roar, but also need roar when it exactly comes off CD? smh, nome, not being able to craft entirely unrealsitic scenarios to fit your agenda
bold turret
perhaps it's to have rage gen every pack or something
mighty valley
that wouldn't really have made sense... even back when TR gave rage
pallid quiver
Dropping indom for thunderlord on Colo is a choice
lusty grotto
dat me right now
lusty grotto
im surprised it wasnt the french guy
whats his name again, i forgot
every. single. season.
pallid quiver
Also, grabbing disrupting shout, but giving up rumbling earth, unless they've got a lot of other stuns in the group,
that's a choice
tacit falcon
average floodgate 7 😦
lusty grotto
we dont need any more examples
bold turret
I guess I'll ignore it and continue with the goated spec
lusty grotto
its iembarassing
bold turret
I felt one example could have just been a troll
pallid quiver
Chinese players have a whole different environment they live in. Based on other times I've interacted with Chinese gamers, it's rarely even just them specifically doing what westerners aren't doing just to be different. But they probably have a reason; if it's a good reason is a different question
strong forum
they always do funky shit
but regardless
theres no mathematical advantage to playing both, it may only be a simple "but i like it" angle
pallid quiver
I felt one example could have just been a troll
A lot of people at the high end will just grab talents that they see other high end people using, and then adjust it, since it, like,
is capable of clearing the content if it has cleared the content
pallid quiver
theres no mathematical advantage to playing both, it may only be a simple "but i...
And if they're clearing content with the "but i like it" angle, like
why stop
lusty grotto
what was the french guy's name!
bold turret
nextback maybe?
jagged pier
lusty grotto
nocturne spindle
having spear and roar do sound kinda fun tbh
and spearing some of the fucking jumpers
lusty grotto
thats why i mentioned "utility", specifically for jumpers and there's a lot of them
strong forum
in those keys aka ToP id just run spear
and most ST talents
since aoe is hardly required in there
and not frequently enough
obtuse egret
Would we replace cyrenes circlet with two heroic rings?
strong forum
thats just a sim angle
hardy snow
it dropped 
strong forum
noice
round cliff
but what if they need a massive threat button specifically less than 30 seconds ...
challenging shout:
sharp gale
yipi (maybe prot war gaming next week on the reclear)
toxic pewter
Grats!
cursive needle
Hey guys, ive been going through breakdowns of my m+ runs and it seems Ravager is not great on the overall. Are we taking this mostly for the rage regen? I see most warriors using it, but it feels lackluster for me.
smoky anvil
It fucks on rage gen and I like leaving it behind me for mobs to run into as I round an LoS spot to keep them interested. It’s a nice button.
strong forum
cursive needle
Well, Shield charge is doing a lot more, and i could move that talent point into Battering Ram, which would increase it do even more.
strong forum
idk my ravager does more dmg than shield charge as you can see
smoky anvil
I dropped indom for battering ram.
strong forum
^
smoky anvil
Haven’t felt squishier.
cursive needle
Here is an 8 ToP i just did.
strong forum
its ToP
smoky anvil
Having a fatter hp number is certainly aesethically pleasing, but the rage and dam of ravager is more liable to keep you alive.
strong forum
ofc you wont see alot of value in that xd
torn gulch
that;s way too little revenge right?
smoky anvil
Top is a bad example
smoky anvil
Small pulls the dungeon
strong forum
smoky anvil
Like 1 dece sized pull the whole dung
cursive needle
Looks like i need to push revenge more 🙃
Well maybe not, comparing and 8 to a 12 is tough. especially when we +3. very short dungeon.
strong forum
yah
round cliff
im converting to the dark side
strong forum
ye i run that in most keys now
cursive needle
Well thanks for the input, mayble i will try a few runs with and without it and see how it feels!
strong forum
in cinderbrew id run BSV instead of battering ram tho
the first few pulls are illegal
especially when gathering
round cliff
huh i never felt any problem in the first few pulls
sharp gale
And final sting surprises
round cliff
maybe that means im not pulling hard enough
strong forum
nah final sting hasnt surprised me yet
daring narwhal
maybe that means im not pulling hard enough
key lvl ?
strong forum
just spellblock/sw
daring narwhal
yeah^^, try in 12+ 🙂
strong forum
a 7 does slightly less dmg than 13+ ye
pallid quiver
the first few pulls are illegal
wym, there's nothing that can possibly go wrong while gathering five bajillion mobs
strong forum
but its only first 2 pulls
round cliff
my ass isnt doing no 13s
strong forum
after that theres 0 tank dmg in cinderbrew
actually so boring
youre pulling around group survivability
yet again
sharp gale
Tbh I was surprised that even the first, once I’m set up hp just moves bc the dot
pallid quiver
It can get sketch if you stand in mechanics
Turn yourt back to mobs
Have a healer who doesn't dispel and you're not a dorf and get seven hundred stacks of poison
round cliff
sometimes i turn my back to mobs just to feel something
pallid quiver
Tbh I was surprised that even the first, once I’m set up hp just moves bc the do...
You can technically even prevent that because mean mug can be hard stopped
kinda hard since it's a fast cast
lusty grotto
1st pulls in cinderbrew
back hits uninstall the game for you
trust cause ive had to reinstall
and it is very very easy to get kicked in the butt
especially while gathering
kind urchin
First pulls in brew are rough.
lusty grotto
ye
lusty grotto
strong forum
Dunno what you do now, now that he's no longer making other mobs immune and stronger
pallid quiver
You played chewie solo
I played Chewie solo
frosty mango
I still send him solo
pallid quiver
Timmy the Mage tho
strong forum
Timmy the mage gets fucking kicked if he pulls chewie
frosty mango
Dps too braindead to avoid high steaks
lusty grotto
i def pulled him with everytong on my first brew
strong forum
So did I
lusty grotto
but it was what? a 4?
lusty grotto
lmaoooo
lusty grotto
i had to get friends keys up
pallid quiver
I mostly run my own keys, so I started low
onyx vessel
slowly fixing my stats but still way to much mastery 
lofty warren
are hpals really that low hps or is it just this one guy?
small steeple
From what I understand they are just straight up the lowest throughput healer rn
neon elk
It is overtime but to me it looks more like dps issue than hps , also hps is kinda weird to measure.. if group is good hps is gona be low no matter what healer .
naive panther
Smole pulls?
lofty warren
we wiped bc not enough healing
bro how is the healer doing less healing than the HEALER
neon elk
U mean tank?
neon elk
Well thats vdh , who kinda heale a lot
lofty warren
no its not like this with other healers
neon elk
But the argument can go both ways , your group had low dps so stuff lived for too long
sudden lynx
Just got ksm YIPPIEEE
sharp gale
Dunno what you do now, now that he's no longer making other mobs immune and stro...
you pull chewie with anything but hired muscle i guess
onyx vessel
i pull chewie into 2 muscles and say lust and good luck 
sick sentinel
which one should we craft?
sick sentinel
ty
mighty valley
pepega traitorposting again smh
onyx vessel
proper orbit
neon elk
They do
sick sentinel
colossus is just straight up more damage than MT atm right?
neon elk
U need str wep tho. If u have high ilvl 2h then u have free 1h+ shield , and vice versa
small steeple
colossus is just straight up more damage than MT atm right?
outside of pure pure st execute build
sick sentinel
ty
granite briar
How much discrepancy is there with running a 7 and a 10? As in, do you really have to micromanage your shield blocks and kicks anymore than you already do, or is it mostly a dps and kick prio check?
neon elk
In both u wanna have 100%sb , or at least as close as possible
granite briar
I'm probably really under explaining it
neon elk
Main difference is u have both afixes so if u hace only tyra in 7s u "dont need' to worry about kicks that much , but in 10fort they realy hurt usualy . But dw, u dont need perfect mdi plays to time it , ive timed 10s with 20 deaths..
granite briar
Main difference is u have both afixes so if u hace only tyra in 7s u "dont...
gotcha, makes sense.
neon elk
Like its hard to explain , go in and give it a try, worst case u fail it , happens
granite briar
Like its hard to explain , go in and give it a try, worst case u fail it , hap...
Fair enough!
oak ivy
Is rik reverb auto attack blockable
small steeple
11 rookery stonks
small steeple
Is rik reverb auto attack blockable
dont think so
oak ivy
how nice
only 4% mit?? in Dstance the entire time?
with swall rolling on the high stack ones?
small steeple
lmao
lusty grotto
Is rik reverb auto attack blockable
thats not his auto attack