haha thats surprising dps for a 543
#protection
winged pawn
smoky anvil
I typically don’t pull less than 2-3 packs, so cleaving was on the menu.
He was having a hard time with movement.
winged pawn
yeah one thing im working on is pulling packs. like that first pull is ffine since theyre all grouped in a small location, but i struggle with like pulls where theyre more spread out
smoky anvil
yeah one thing im working on is pulling packs. like that first pull is ffine sin...
Take advantage of LOS when applicable and find out what mobs are casters to make sure they get kicked and brought in.
Like in priory, I’m LOSing almost the entire second half of the dungeon.
lusty grotto
yeah one thing im working on is pulling packs. like that first pull is ffine sin...
take this
it'll help with spread out mobs
and use TC to start a pull 🙂
troar + tc will do wonders with mob gathers
of course it will nerf your dps a little bit, since troar will be used probably without demo up
but its more important to get mobs gathered up
winged pawn
awesome thanks for the tips
viscid lake
Which tank spec is the easiest one? MT or Collosus ?
strong forum
MT
viscid lake
Thanks! Will I be able to do +10 with it ? 😅
lusty grotto
no reason why you shouldnt
hard wolf
I suppose Myth trinket is the way here right? (2/4 set)
lusty grotto
you dont even have to ask
livid iron
what setpieces do we want?
cyan bronze
Thanks! Will I be able to do +10 with it ? 😅
ya but i would just learn colossus tbh
twilit gust
I accidentally found this server, where can I find the skyhold game and see what it is?
lusty grotto
I accidentally found this server, where can I find the skyhold game and see what...
this is a World of Warcraft discord for the warrior class, it should be on the welcome page
tacit falcon
Or just start a sub to wow and play protection warrior, seems like the better solution.
lusty grotto
no idea what the skyhold game is
tacit falcon
Also that’s funny af that it happens enough to have a link here
tacit falcon
Oooh that makes sense. WE WERE FIRST lol
lusty grotto
technically the legion class hall was first
tacit falcon
Touche
cyan bronze
I can’t even find anything on google about this supposed skyhold game
lusty grotto
could be a troll 🤷♂️
tacit falcon
Someone mad that prot war beat them in a key
lusty grotto
or a bot
cyan bronze
I could find information on DA:I skyhold ig
tacit falcon
Ong I had a mage last night losing to me start making pulls in the key. Like brother, let me know how that works out for you lol
cyan bronze
u guys swapped roles is all
tacit falcon
Yes LMAO
lusty grotto
they were going for that caut uptime
tacit falcon
Homie hit me with the r slur when I called him out, gotta love it
lusty grotto
gotta proc that cheat
tacit falcon
LOL
Side note in motherlode
Any tips for the bomb section before the last boss? I feel like it’s better to just take it 2-3 mines at a time
Or do you just rip an invis pot. Just trying to find a better way to approach it for my group that’s slowly pushing
tacit falcon
See I’ve seen that play out and it wasn’t great LOL
lusty grotto
sounds like your group needs to be better
tacit falcon
Probably
lusty grotto
about kiting them through the pack
not exactly hard
but also you dont really need to invis
tacit falcon
Honestly more so something they just need to practice but I think they get so in their head about it being a 1 tap
lusty grotto
just dont walk over them
cyan bronze
spear them
chilly brook
Someone mad that prot war beat them in a key
Man I beat a mage and an ele sham in both 12 floodgates I did last night
It’s wild
tacit falcon
Gotcha, appreciate it. Wasn’t sure if there was tech I was missing/anyway to smooth that out because it kinda blows with the mech idiots
chilly brook
I keep checking wowhead for the nerfs LOL
Oh no you misunderstand our damage is fine, what’s not fine is people who still lose to us
cyan bronze
i mean minimal bombs is preferable
tacit falcon
Oh no you misunderstand our damage is fine, what’s not fine is people who still ...
Honestly yea that’s been my mind set too. I feel like it’s a weird divergence of player + gearing + scaling
cyan bronze
but slows r so prevalent
& other tools to deal with them
and we have enough ourselves
even no slows and fully ignoring bombs is fine as long as melee have brain
tacit falcon
Yea I try to brap out shockwave/etc but I think
People just get spaghetti fingers
sharp gale
You can activate solo mines and last 2 guys and go in boss room, it will be fixated on you and big gathered mines
tacit falcon
I know they’re all capable but in the moment it might not always translate
tacit falcon
You can activate solo mines and last 2 guys and go in boss room, it will be fixa...
Oh that’s smart
cyan bronze
i was playing havoc and i went and pulled like 30 bombs the other day and then immuned them
was funny
there’s so many things u can do to ignore bombs there
tacit falcon
You can activate solo mines and last 2 guys and go in boss room, it will be fixa...
Is it like - super run ahead, run to boss arena - wait then them have them follow?
And just blast a defensive while the group catches up?
cyan bronze
yea mines seem to have like a 30-40 agro range where they select fixate from
not sure exactly how it works, but when i activated the mines on my mine adventure none of them targeted team
sharp gale
group need to be little far behind and you just rush in last boss room with the 2 dudes
solid sun
I don’t keep up with everyone’s damage. Are we tops for tanks in both aoe and st? Neither? I have no idea how other tanks are looking
I just keep that revenge button going
tacit falcon
group need to be little far behind and you just rush in last boss room with the ...
Sick that’s what I was hoping to find. Love that, thank you
tacit falcon
I don’t keep up with everyone’s damage. Are we tops for tanks in both aoe and st...
Pug some 2-4s and you absolutely will LOL
chilly brook
I don’t keep up with everyone’s damage. Are we tops for tanks in both aoe and st...
Most tanks are competitive with our damage
They just suck
solid sun
Pug some 2-4s and you absolutely will LOL
No I mean I don’t keep track of what everyone else’s damage looks like. I demolish people in keys but I assume that’s because they suck
tacit falcon
I kind of like where tank damage is at atm. It feels like I contribute more, even though I’m already fucking tanking lol
tacit falcon
No I mean I don’t keep track of what everyone else’s damage looks like. I demoli...
OOOOH
sharp gale
basically yes, they suck
tacit falcon
Mhm
sharp gale
if at same ilvl than you = under you, they suck
brave stirrup
which embelishments do we use? i see people on raider io using different than wowhead
solid sun
I ran with a fire mage who was popping off
But then I ran with like 12 others who I’m pretty sure didn’t have keyboards plugged in
tacit falcon
Yeaaaa 1 out of every 100 doesn’t suck
A good indicator is if the pre-pop mass barrier before the key is dunked
But even then LOL
cyan bronze
p sure pwar is getting close to the mage there
w shout
im bad at math but just assuming (4.2/1.05)*2
he’s not even running br,rav,or sof
vital vale
my vault was literal trash
toxic pewter
they dont call u trashmaster for nothin
sharp gale
second aug i see
crimson furnace
chilly brook
second aug i see
Unfortunate
lusty grotto
ive seen a total of zero
chilly brook
Sad state that Aug is in
Blizzard wanted to make sure they weren’t played this season
Which is sad
It was legit in a really good actually (mostly) balanced spot on ptr before the last round of nerfs before it went live
small steeple
second aug i see
only seen 1 aug, it was a 2, I procceded to leave because the mage was literally talking to himself and was honestly creeping me out
lusty grotto
i keep saying what ive been saying since DF: all that needs to happen to augs is to be stripped of all but 1 or 2 defensive tools
and keep the damage amp up
class and perception fixed
lusty grotto
i like aug's concept
smoky anvil
Mail wearing tank would be lit
small steeple
Mail wearing tank would be lit
The idea of a battle earth mage tank would have been so cool
solid sun
Always felt like Aug’s biggest issue was that it was all alone
It wasn’t really designed to be balanced against other dps specs, but there weren’t any other specs for it to compete with for keys
lusty grotto
yes
youre right
its also a huge issue
but tl;dr the problem is that blizzard cant balance the game around utility for shit
im certainly glad theyve become considerably better at damage number tuning, but hoooly
"look at this wizard with 4 defensives, AND does top 5 damage?? lets nerf damage"
its so wild to me how they just ignore everything else except damage profiles
solid sun
I agree with that
woven radish
Agreed
solid sun
There are definitely moments where I’ve been told by friends they wish I was playing prot paladin because of the difference in utility
sour flicker
guys, what is the haste soft cap or hard cap for protty?
solid sun
Idk mate but you want more of it
sour flicker
got 43% with flask
sour flicker
so 23k 😄
lusty grotto
guys, what is the haste soft cap or hard cap for protty?
you cant get it
toxic pewter
i think i have too much crit
lusty grotto
28k rating to 35k rating is where we stop, its probably not achievable this season
thats the 2nd softcap
19.8k to 26.4k is the 1st softcap which we ignore
sour flicker
thanks, im just considering chaning key to the unseeming (haste/mastery ring) for Ritual bone band (vers/mastery)
but still haste/mastery is better
round cliff
why do u go by rating instead of % anyways
round cliff
ic
lusty grotto
and lurkers go by percent and then get confused cause they dont understand the concept of "unbuffed"
so they go ITF and say "hey i have x%"... which, no you dont
when it comes to DRs
round cliff
what's the % even in relation to cuz you can go over 100%
lusty grotto
what do you mean
round cliff
like it's not "x% of my stats is haste" because ive been at 108% haste as fury
so what is it a % of
cyan coral
so mebe a dumb question but i have both my weapon and shield at 649. I want to craft both my weapon and offhand at 675 but i can only do one atm. which should I be priotizing? Id assume shield but I know sword stats and damage help alot too while I push thru to 7s to get the rest of the crests
round cliff
as in 40% haste is 40% gcd reduction?
lusty grotto
likely yes
round cliff
is gcd reduction separate from sb being hasted tho
lusty grotto
so mebe a dumb question but i have both my weapon and shield at 649. I want to c...
shield yes
round cliff
like there are situations where 40% haste doesn't also reduce ur cds as much? is what i think ur getting at
which is why u use rating
lusty grotto
its different
has nothing to do with rating
you asked what percent is defined as
SB cd should be directly affected by percentage
iirc
lusty grotto
so yes 40% is a 40% reduction to the base cd
they are asking about DRs
not SB uptime
or cdr
round cliff
idk who they is anymore im asking about itf vs hr
solid sun
Diminishing returns. Not damage reduction
round cliff
oh right
well itf vs hr would also go by % because it's a matter of your sb cooldown
surely
solid sun
Why do you keep mentioning sb
lusty grotto
youre confusing nuance
strong forum
diminishing returns for us dont matter until like 30k+ haste
good luck getting there
round cliff
Why do you keep mentioning sb
why wouldn't i
sb uptime is the main consideration of itf vs hr
solid sun
Because using percentage vs rating doesn’t have anything to do with shield block
round cliff
exactly??
lusty grotto
exactly my point
round cliff
so why do i care about rating
lusty grotto
because its a diminishing returns / softcap conversation
maybe you shouldn't for your own personal reasons
but that was the context
round cliff
diminishing returns for us dont matter until like 30k+ haste
softcap doesn't matter til ludicrous %s
or ratings
so if u ask when should u take itf vs hr
lusty grotto
i still dont know what youre getting at
strong forum
because ITF influences how much % you have
at any given point
it fluctuates
if youre surrounded by 5 people you get 8% multiplicative haste
round cliff
does that not also influence ur sb cooldown?
solar spear
thoughts on this? are sims a bit low on priory given the benefit it gives to the rest of the party?
lusty grotto
does that not also influence ur sb cooldown?
fruiter, it does, but what happens if you dont have stacks? you need to have a healty base line
cyan coral
also I figure folks here have more knowledge, but for our embelishments are Duskthread Lining x2 or something else?
round cliff
ok i get ur angle now
lusty grotto
or do you want to NOT have SB uptime when you DONT have 5 stacks of ITF?
solar spear
alright thx
strong forum
you want a minimum baseline to guarantee your safety
what does your "best case scenario" baseline matter
hence why we go with haste rating
and not haste %
round cliff
so ur only switching to itf if you can guarantee sb uptime in worst case scenario
ok
round cliff
death skips come back
lusty grotto
good question
neat vector
is tough as nails actually good?
woven scroll
guys, sorry, but what would you choose? mainhand or trinket?!
solar spear
rarer innit
strong forum
thats a trinket angle ye
woven scroll
ye.. but cuz of missing main/sec stat on trinket, and sims at bloodmallet, is it rly so g00d?
round cliff
token angle
lusty grotto
ye.. but cuz of missing main/sec stat on trinket, and sims at bloodmallet, is it...
bloodmallet sims arent fixed for tome
use Nome's tome apl to see a more relevant value for it
woven scroll
thats why i'm here.. somone told me that the sims of tome are rly scuffed, cuz the real uptime is much better with the on use
lusty grotto
thats correct
but also do keep in mind that it depends on content type
since big pulls = more hits = more tome swapping
but sword uptime should be much more than what bloodmallet currently sims it at anyway
round cliff
so when i sim tome and never used the tome apl and it's still simming higher than stuff
tome rly is goated
woven scroll
see..
heavy sparrow
Any tips for an 11 or 12 motherload
jagged pier
its teh exactly same key as a 10 motherload
heavy sparrow
solid sun
Is there something about Motherlode in general you need help with
Or are you about to rip a higher than 10 Motherlode for the first time and just trying to figure out what to expect
woven scroll
alright guys, ty for helpin' - i'll take the tome ❤️ 🙂
fallow fern
So for time, does it stay in the on use mode until the hits reach 50 (eg no timer). So at start of key you could change it... wait for CD before starting key.. take the 50 hits then immediately change it back for another 50 hits?
Tome*
jagged pier
fallow fern
Lol OK.. on phone and didn't think of that mb
smoky anvil
Chest is our off piece in bis ye
vocal pewter
If we have dual thread on belt for example and craft bracers with dusk thread which one cancels out as I have dusk thread on my shield
woven scroll
you can also take set-piece chest and the raid-helmet from vexxie.. depends on your haste/crit gear
lusty grotto
if you have 3 embelishes, just remove the shield one
woven scroll
but thats actually my choice
lusty grotto
since a myth shield is still an upgrade to crafted shield
vocal pewter
Can you remove an embellishment?
lusty grotto
yes
vocal pewter
Oh how the hell do you do that lol
lusty grotto
recraft and right click it (i think you need another piece)
woven scroll
and guys.. net-weights of tome is gigantic.. ty for helpin'! ^^
vocal pewter
Oh so I’d have to get 60 gilded again? And full recraft?
lusty grotto
you dont need crests for a recraft
recraft does not mean craft it again
there's literally a concept of "recrafting"
im on my herbalist, sorry
but the concept is the same
heavy sparrow
Or are you about to rip a higher than 10 Motherlode for the first time and just ...
I timed a 10 last week but overall there's 1 pack I'm iffy on
3rd pack maybe
round pendant
Huh did they make it so the m+ keystone pillar thing exists in heroic difficulty now
heavy sparrow
I find people struggle with pull 3
lusty grotto
how
heavy sparrow
I mean, I should be forward and say I've been tanking in the hut
orchid walrus
So, like a lot of you ,I play most of the tanks each season but it’s been a while since I hopped on my warrior. The warrior tank in our raid seemed to be really struggling with survival. Are warriors squishy this tier?
heavy sparrow
So, like a lot of you ,I play most of the tanks each season but it’s been a whil...
No
lusty grotto
but to answer your question, no
orchid walrus
Hmm ok, I will just take a look at the logs then must be a rotation issue.
lusty grotto
post it on #1347646810457636974
orchid walrus
Since that is the case I will be gearing my warrior then lol
lusty grotto
also
orchid walrus
I’ll be ok reviewing the logs, I kind of already had a suspicion lol
lusty grotto
i hope this isnt a warrior you sent to do rik reverb amps
because we DONT do that
and/or we cant
thats about it
orchid walrus
lol no, they were just falling over, in most of the attempts. Maybe the tanks aren’t swapping correctly. I’ll check though. It shouldn’t be hard to find.
waxen frigate
So, like a lot of you ,I play most of the tanks each season but it’s been a whil...
No lol
small steeple
Chest is our off piece in bis ye
I thought it was head?
low thistle
Hi all, I used the search button. For High Keys M+, Tome of Lights Devotion Trinket.
Is it annoying to track and use the on use to stay in sword mode?
If so, I'd rather use Improvised Seaformium Pacemaker as the passive trinket
pallid quiver
and dying is suboptimal
Then why do my DPS die all the time? 🤔
small steeple
Then why do my DPS die all the time? 🤔
They like making the guild pay for repair bills
pallid quiver
I thought it was head?
You can get more crit if you drop chest, but at the cost of some haste; it might sim better if you rock spear, I wager, but it's going to be a minor difference overall, probably
Nome and Mwahi on their bis lists actually have one dropping chest (Nome) and one dropping helm (Mwahi)
I just say chest generally because I cba to actually check which sims more in situations because who cares about bis when you can just sim items to see what does the most damage out of what you've had actually drop
toxic pewter
Hi all, I used the search button. For High Keys M+, Tome of Lights Devotion Trin...
There’s a weak aura that helps a lot when using the trinket. At least I find it useful. Just search the trinkets name on wago
low thistle
There’s a weak aura that helps a lot when using the trinket. At least I find it ...
Thanks that sounds annoying.
Do you know how much more effective it is against Improvised Seaformium Peacemaker?
I'm unlikely to be able to farm Eye of Kezan or House of Cards for M+
if its significantly better I'll suck it up and farm Priory
solid sun
Eye of Kazan, last I heard, isn’t really an m+ trinket. It’s more for raid
low thistle
Thanks Rhino!
stiff gate
usually do this for the first part of motherlode, after pack 2 jump over the wall to the right side, then after pack 3 you kind of loop around to the left side of the dungeon and wait on the peacekeeper there to pat out of your way
jagged gust
How does aggro from the adds work in the final Priory boss fight? I was having trouble gathering leading to a few wipes
small steeple
How does aggro from the adds work in the final Priory boss fight? I was having t...
it doesn't
also just cc them, they kill themselves
jagged gust
Oh fr?
small steeple
yeah
jagged gust
Jeez, my dumbass
small steeple
no agro table
jagged gust
I was pre-ravagering, TRing the other side, shouting and going wtf lmao
stiff gate
yeah they fixate. you can wait at the bottom and hit most of them with piercing howl then leap up, it causes most of them to be almost dead by the time they make it to your group
heavy sparrow
usually do this for the first part of motherlode, after pack 2 jump over the wal...
Think you could inbox me the mdt chain? I will run it on a lower key to get the memory map down
stiff gate
the full route isn't super pug friendly i think, my group goes for a little swim in the oil after first boss to skip an extractor lol
heavy sparrow
I'm digging the route. I love me my skips
small steeple
the full route isn't super pug friendly i think, my group goes for a little swim...
do the safety sharks not gank you?
heavy sparrow
I'm okay for non pug friendly, got myself a team on guild channel
stiff gate
do the safety sharks not gank you?
you can wait for them to swim away or u can just facetank them for a second then leap up the hill when your group is past
they evade and reset eventually once you're on land
most of the time though we dont even aggro one
i think its a super worthwhile skip if you have melee dps, because fighting extractors is actual hell
jagged gust
I saw quazzi skipping that first pack and first set of assassins and chaining everything to the first peacemaker, looked like an awesome pull
stiff gate
tbh the mastermind area trash is not that bad anymore like it was in bfa, i'd almost say you should get as much count there as you can without pulling double masterminds, and skip most of the first area because its terrible efficiency and skip every extractor you can
keen leaf
I *hate* the extractors
hold W
lofty warren
On last boss workshop do you chase boss when he follows someone around with beam or do you stay away and lose melee dps?
small steeple
hold W
how would that help against the extrators? I only hate them because pugs always die to em
stiff gate
On last boss workshop do you chase boss when he follows someone around with beam...
chase him usually, the beam only really does big dam if you're directly under it
keen leaf
tell them to hold W
small steeple
again how would that help, instead of pulling 1 extractor at a time you want me to pull 3?
stiff gate
the problem with everyone holding w away from extractors is that it takes a really long time for them to die when your whole party is running
keen leaf
alive dps do 100% more dmg than dead dps
small steeple
alive dps do 100% more dmg than dead dps
melee outside of melee range also do as much damage as dead dps
keen leaf
tell that to ret pallies
jagged gust
fury warriors with their 5sec CD on heroic throw absolutely in shambles
harsh trellis
Hey so on last boss in floodgate
lusty grotto
with pugs just mention stacking, if they dont do it... welp nothing you can do
harsh trellis
spell reflect list says no across the board.
lusty grotto
for thunder punch?
harsh trellis
lusty grotto
wall wall wall
harsh trellis
right
harsh trellis
lusty grotto
SR will work for the DR
harsh trellis
someone got all ragey
harsh trellis
right
pallid quiver
the fact you can't even spell block it is what gets me
like i'm willing to even look past a punch not being blockable
but man, at least let spell block work on it
lusty grotto
yeah its weird
basically every single TB is spell blockable this season except that one
its a bit strange
considering that its a new dungeon
oak ivy
is first phase of mecha last boss the only good SR tech we have this season
lusty grotto
priory last boss
oak ivy
Oh real
pallid quiver
Also, if you end up going right on Priory, you can SR the Cinderblast cast
so you can send all but one interrupt on your group on stopping Firebolt casts
and have one interrupt for battle cry
oak ivy
I'll have to look into the sheet, havent checked it this season
lofty warren
Should be able to reflect when last top boss tries to cleaver your ahole while sucking everyone off
lusty grotto
no, should be able to reflet the fucking scythe like we used to
oak ivy
Real
lusty grotto
smh blizz
well i guess thats what he was saying
i just thought of the frontal as cleave
unborn dragon
does the seaforium trinket from floodgate drop for prot loot spec?
oak ivy
Yes(?)
lusty grotto
yes
unborn dragon
mkay ty
lusty grotto
but its usually better to be dps there so there's less loot on the table
either way Mud isn't half bad as a defensive trinket
tired forge
gearing up my warrior and unsure what to take in vault. I have hero tome of lights devotion and hero chest piece
lusty grotto
more ways to get a chest to cata
lusty grotto
so trinket just so you dont have to spam priory
tired forge
that was my thought, is it that good?
lusty grotto
yes
lusty grotto
i still dont have it
tired forge
funny on my DH i just gave in and took myth priery trinket from vault
next priery run trinket dropped
so now i have ptsd
lusty grotto
i have myth signet
mighty valley
what the fuck, i've been spell blocking thunder punch this whole time, just assuming
neon elk
but its usually better to be dps there so there's less loot on the table
Isnt there loot table same? Mud for prot 2h for dps
mighty valley
"damn this thing hits hard" i would think to myself
lusty grotto
Isnt there loot table same? Mud for prot 2h for dps
you might be right
tired forge
i went tome, yolo
smoky anvil
*i still dont have it*
Neither do I. I’ve been avoiding farming anything tbh.
lusty grotto
same fuck that shit
smoky anvil
Just run what keys the boys have.
tired forge
arent belt back and bracers supposed to give hte sasme stats per ilvl?
tired forge
oooooooo ok i was lost why my 619 last season belt had more haha
ok makes sene
so craft embelleshment on bracers/back
lusty grotto
tired forge
aweaome
lusty grotto
you cant put dusk/dawn on cloak
tired forge
cloak is my only hero haha
so i was thinknig bracers or belt, but it seems bracers is the answer for now
tired forge
i guess this toon isnt seeing myth belt soon so its w/e
neon elk
I would kill for at least hero belt , still rocking s1 one
jagged gust
I just need to farm brewery a million times because it has all my hero slots
Which is sad because I've had groups literally unable to kill the adds on the wax boss and bricked keys
just an army of angry puddles charging at me for 5 minutes straight
chilly brook
i keep saying what ive been saying since DF: all that needs to happen to augs is...
This is exactly what aug was on PTR before it got kneecapped
lusty grotto
rip
chilly brook
Blizz just decided they needed to nuke the spec tho
Like it didn't bring anything special defensively (outside of a small vers buff [that got nerfed]) except for a damage shield attached to breath of eons that only the DPS players got to get
Everything else every other evoker spec has
And no black attunement or w/e doesn't count because no one was specing that anyways ever since it got kneecapped
chilly brook
wonder why they scrapped it
I mean they didn't really scrap it, they just nuked the tuning of the spec
tawny merlin
Should i craft my shield or wait for one from gally?
lusty grotto
craft it
chilly brook
I'm assuming they just didn't want to run the chance of aug dominating a meta slot again
chilly brook
get aug out of peoples brains
lusty grotto
hero gally shield isnt better than crafted gilded shield
to be fair
s1 aug wasnt really that popular as it was
it was on rank 1 keys sure, but not in the pug scene
chilly brook
even if aug was actually a balanced spec, it's probably too much recency bias to not have a negative perspective
chilly brook
people like bitching about something that doesn't impact them
lusty grotto
maybe they are trying to reset the perception or something
but thats a fucking rough thing to do to aug players
chilly brook
That's my hope
I don't think you can just rework the spec into a tank spec
as much as I'd like that
lusty grotto
nah fuck that
chilly brook
There's a ton of aug enjoyers who can't get another experience from any other spec near what they have
lusty grotto
the game does not need more tanks tbh
lusty grotto
if they want people to play tanks, they should keep increasing tank damage
instead of making a whole new class
chilly brook
I generally enjoy evoker design, I think it could bring a unique and fun tank spec with the kit it has
lusty grotto
DHs should have been mail
tawny merlin
youre likely to not kill Myth Gally
And i will .-. . in a few months. Just dont know with my DK or this war.
neon elk
Few months is rather long time .. whole season lasts a few months
lusty grotto
yeah just craft shield
at least if you didnt get lucky with a vault myth shield
rik reverb shield is also decent and is a closer goal
solid sun
In Floodgate, do y'all go off the into the wilderness and drop down over by the first boss and do like one big pull and then the first boss right after?
I saw a route like that and gave it a whirl, but every time we tried it, extra stuff we didn't want kept getting snagged up
dusky canopy
I like when the group walks up the hill to the right avoiding the 3 pack with the range shooter in it and pulling the dogs and mech into first boss
smoky anvil
I pull first shredder kinda off to the left, the pack further to the left then go up at the first bombs into the 3 packs up there, with BL.
I skip the floating sniper mobs
dusky canopy
This is a mobile keystone guru image so bare with me but this is a great first pull if group can handle it
Maximum lust efficiency
lusty grotto
floodgate deez nuts
dusky canopy
Signet dropped for me last night
But it’s kinda beans for arms
I don’t need 7k Crit on top of my 18k Crit I already have lmao
Decent for fury though
lusty grotto
i got this on yesterday's vault
dusky canopy
Oh snap I didn’t show you mine!
dusky canopy
And it’s indestructible!!
signal field
should i be using thunderous roar immediately following demolish and keep them lined up all the time?
lusty grotto
should i be using thunderous roar immediately following demolish and keep them l...
yes
dusky canopy
signal field
should i hold demolish until troar is off cd or nearly off cd?
lusty grotto
no
you hold until demo + avatar are on cd
everything else should align
troar/ravager
the only thing that probably wont is SC
due to 4pc
smoky anvil
Operation send shield charge and pray for procs so it lines up is how it is these days
signal field
i find that over the cource of fights that my demolish is getting further and further away from the rest just because of the cdr that comes with shield slam/revenge
lusty grotto
yeah pretty much Alkaraz
just hold it
no reason to insta spend it
unless if its 2 years far behind or something
chrome falcon
mythic rik weapon 
lusty grotto
nice
chrome falcon
i find that over the cource of fights that my demolish is getting further and fu...
if i know i have perma 3 targets and i get a tier proc, i just send naked demolish
if i have demolish with like 25 sec until demo
i just press
also can someone tell blizz to fix demolish stacks not resetting before key
i don't wanna hit target dummy/trash to get 10 stack demolish on pull
pallid quiver
Matta doesn't want to live the S1 Enha Shaman life
chrome falcon
Tried it once realized how annoying that actually is to do
yurr
pallid quiver
It's even worse than Enha Shaman, since you can't casually generate the stacks
and it's even timed, too, unlike tempest stacks
chrome falcon
i just solo a pack while i wait for group to arrive
idle copper
Bloodsurge or ravager? Have 4pc
lusty grotto
bloodsurge?
small steeple
Bloodsurge or ravager? Have 4pc
indom
signal field
if i know i have perma 3 targets and i get a tier proc, i just send naked demoli...
i love being naked when i demolish
small steeple
although somehting feels wrong there
signal field
sorry
idle copper
Im doing ok without indom?
lusty grotto
im so confused, why bloodsurge
chrome falcon
Bloodsurge or ravager? Have 4pc
depends on what content
idle copper
10s for now
chrome falcon
ravager for faceroll 10s
lusty grotto
you just swap bloodsurge and instigate
dusky canopy
Both shield charge caps? Thought that wasn’t the case anymore
lusty grotto
depending on big pulls or little pulls
dusky canopy
Maybe since new tier set or something ?
lusty grotto
no
small steeple
Both shield charge caps? Thought that wasn’t the case anymore
and 4pc
small steeple
more vroom time
dusky canopy
No indom seems bad ngl
idle copper
honestly not needing it
neon elk
Tbf i dont even notice that i dont have indom, does so little anyway
lusty grotto
thats basically the spec i play in vault keys
dusky canopy
I’m out of touch with Prot so I’m just chiming in out of curiosity
lusty grotto
i just swap SoF for Disrupting if needed
and ravager for BSV
if needed
thats it
heavy sparrow
I massive pulls and mow them down for 5m damage or so
chrome falcon
indom is insanely nerfed
it's literally 1/4 as strong as it was when it was an old style talent
heavy sparrow
and ravager for BSV
Same.. especially last season 13s+ bye bye ravager
chrome falcon
people doing (most) keys without disrupting shout scare me dude
you gotta trust your groups way more than i do for that
small steeple
rugged pollen
So the new consensus is now go ravager and drop indom? I thought ravager is not neede with 4pc?
lusty grotto
So the new consensus is now go ravager and drop indom? I thought ravager is not ...
either is fine, but indom is stinky
naive panther
not taking BSV?
rugged pollen
Mhm ok, ty. Might put the indom point in something else. ravager and demolish feels weird to me
neon elk
Most people arent doing keys high enough to need bsv
jagged pier
Im not dying im not taking bsv
Alsp i dropped indom last week before 4pc and have notices not having it
So take that as u will
If u feel safer with indom, go for it
vestal moat
Why drop SoF and not Instigate for disrupting?
jagged pier
Same with bsv
jagged pier
Why drop SoF and not Instigate for disrupting?
Because u need the rage gen
jagged pier
Still have like 1000 to get through 
lusty grotto
lol
rugged pollen
What build do you suggest @jagged pier ? Or just the drop ravager for indom?
lusty grotto
idk i just checked the guy and i was there
hoooly
no cd
50s a pop
worth
mr skelton time 24/7
jagged pier
What build do you suggest <@179993058186625025> ? Or just the drop ravager for i...
I dont run indom i run br and rav
jagged pier
idk i just checked the guy and i was there
Thing is when you play for years as a faction u dont lioe i used to load up on appreance changes now i lioe how i look i dont use them at all
Nees to get through them
Fish , noggen, prisms
lusty grotto
i love illusions
rugged pollen
Ah, kk. guess I'll go ravager again
bleak breach
@jagged pier are you running Indom at all? Or dropped in all situations?
jagged pier
Not at all
bleak breach
I’m looking at doing the same, doesn’t feel there’s enough gain from it now.
Just taking ravager instead? Or bloodsurge?
bleak breach
Thanks mate, was thinking the same.
Maybe BSV for super high keys?
But I ain’t doing anything high enough anyway.
vocal flame
Saw you Nim! lol
lusty grotto
👋
vocal flame
u were gone before i could wave
lusty grotto
drive by poke
vocal flame
haha
pallid quiver
you gotta trust your groups way more than i do for that
It's not that I trust my groups, it's that me grabbing Disrupting won't allow me to control any more mobs than I already do
It's just an aoe interrupt on a 1.5 min CD
That's generally one extra normal interrupt on a pull, which might let me squeak in another pummel depending on mobs
chrome falcon
the double lockout duration is very nice
and knocking off 30 seconds from challenging shout cd is not irrelevant
and more range
pallid quiver
It just hasn't enabled anything for me I wasn't doing already
so I'm losing revenge damage for a button I can just press more often
I don't think it's bad,
It just doesn't enable anything for me
It'd be a hell of a lot better if it was just a flat-out silence
chrome falcon
yeah i dunno if i'm in a group with like
mage+warlock+some melee with a standard kick
and a healer with no kick
there are some extremely sketchy pulls
pallid quiver
You're already assuming more kicks than I do
I assume I'm literally the only person stopping any casts
so i just don't pull what I can't solo handle
If I had just like, two more kicks, it'd probably enable some pulls or be more worthwhile to grab
But I just assume that's not happening, largely because it doesn't
just like DPS using their defensives
smoky anvil
I assume I'm literally the only person stopping any casts
Disclaimer, I know I don’t kick enough.
timber arrow
Currently running 2 piece from s2 (both hero track) and 2 piece from season 1 (both old myth track). Just got some Hero tier shoulders which would eat one of my s1 tier slots - would increase ilvl for that slot from something like 639 to 658 short term, but would lose the s1 2 piece defensive benefit. Worth it? Or wait until I get the last piece for s2 4 piece?
pallid quiver
Warlock could possibly be higher, since Details doesn't list hard stops
So any darkfury stun stops don't count
but then, you're also likely to be hella higher
smoky anvil
Indeed.
chrome falcon
Currently running 2 piece from s2 (both hero track) and 2 piece from season 1 (b...
season 1 tier bonus is fake go ilvl
imo
smoky anvil
Avg ret pally player kick rate btw lmao
pallid quiver
10/10, yeah it is, Alka
And Matta's right, S1 tier bonus is so poopy, it gets outpaced by ilvl very often
Honestly, that ret should be praised for managing to get their hand out of the glue jar for long enough to press rebuke even once
chrome falcon
and yeah idk i get that disrupting is a bit of a crutch and generally unnecessary but
i don't think i'm ever failing a key because revenge did 10% less damage
pallid quiver
I don't think of it as a crutch at all; I think it's actually a strong tool that can enable you
chrome falcon
i'm definitely failing keys because my healer ass pulled some double caster pack that needs to get gripped in ASAP
smoky anvil
I think if you’re at the point you need disrupting you’ve something unbelievably wrong going on. Typically, if kicks are missed. ‘I’ will be fine. My group won’t, but I can live it.
pallid quiver
I just don't think it's reliably worth it if you're aiming to solo control packs, since there's either so absolute many that it won't matter, things desynced enough that it loses value, or that you're already able to handle it
chrome falcon
sometimes you and your group send literally every CC in the game into the first 4 seconds of a pack
idle copper
got it boys
What does that do?
chrome falcon
and you have 2 mages in priory casting fireball volley inside a consecration
pallid quiver
It gains more value if you have group coordination or a plan, since you can do things like aoe stun a pack to sync casts while interrupting a few, then mass interrupt them for 6 whole ass seconds
I reckon it'll be a hard lock on, especially if going Colo, for highest level keys as Prot War because of the above
You can make it get a lot of value, but it's more useful when you have a plan for it
lusty grotto
What does that do?
exactly what it says it does, an endless noggenfogger
idle copper
I ment the actual on use thing, Ive just googled it - makes you a skeleton/small/slow fall yep? Im looking for one that makes me bigger :)
mighty valley
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1297317829120491642/1351772134707560540...
the single kick from the ret paladin is so funny
"yknow what? i'll give them one"
stiff gate
i dunno man disrupting is pretty insane in some keys
torn gulch
smells of motherlode
stiff gate
priory
torn gulch
or priory was my second choice
stiff gate
yeah priory has a stupid amount of casters
and the sad thing is that they're like the least dangerous mobs in there
so you want to be pulling a lot of them when you can, which often means 3 or 4 per pack
disrupting is basically like 20-25% more kicks for me if you're pulling multiple casters in packs regularly, thats huge value considering how many keys we lose to a cast going off and the fact that my dps players all press their cc buttons at the same time most packs
i mean, looking at the other dungeons i did before this, its actually over 30% of my kicks in a lot of these keys, and i am ALWAYS doing double the next person in interrupts
seems pretty good to me
neon elk
So are people skiping 2nd minibos in priory? Lure it to one side then run other ?
solid sun
is it if you get all 12's your keys won't deplete past 12?
Or is it a different key level
stiff gate
it starts at 12s yeah
lusty grotto
no
you need the achievement
and the achievement basically require timing all 12s
it doesnt start at 12, it starts with timing all of them
stiff gate
right but timing all 12s is the minimum, then timing all 13s, then 14s etc. i didnt know it was tied to an achievement?
(i still have 11 priory and all the other 12s 😭)
solid sun
So is there a new achievement tied to all 13's, all 14's, etc.? Or does it just track that without the need for an achievement
lusty grotto
yeah 3k is a lot higher
lusty grotto
https://www.wowhead.com/news/season-2-mythic-changes-new-and-reworked-affixes-new-achievement-for-no-depletes-355135?page=4 weird but the achievement says 3k
stiff gate
was it changed from this?
lusty grotto
not sure, just compare the dates to see which is the most recent one
stiff gate
mine was jan 28th, so i think they changed it from 3k to being all 12s later in the ptr
neon elk
Iirc 3k is tied to mount
solid sun
3k is the black variant of the ksm mount iirc
vocal flame
updated as of 3/11
stiff gate
i think they had a different reward scheme set up and then changed it when they reworked the idea of resilient keystones, because originally it was ONLY 12s, and didnt increase to 13s/14s as you went up
lusty grotto
updated as of 3/11
lyric fern
3k is KSL + mount
Key floor starts when you time all 12s and rises each time to time all keys at the next level
jolly swift
I got a 624ilvl shield because I am a scrub, overall ilvl is 658. Will I notice a difference when I finally get a hero one to drop from keys?
torn gulch
yes you will
jolly swift
I am normally a dps, so was tanking keys to get in groups ty will focus to get a shield
torn gulch
shield is the biggest upgrade you can get as a prot warrior
fair beacon
Heyo everyone. Question: where can I find some good dungeon routes for lvl 10s that actually make sense? cause the ones in the guide section of the RIO website are kinda off
small steeple
I like Tacktys
pallid quiver
hold w and hit whatever gets butt-pulled
idle copper
Sha's are pug friendly
toxic pewter
just make your own route and ignore the routeLords
pallid quiver
It should be getting pretty comfy to even time 10s going a pack at a time, so however many packs your group can pull, pull those
jolly swift
This is outrageous
Haha hello singular rhino
hardy snow
all crit demolish feels good 
jagged gust
big zug
deft mortar
this good?
Feels like they'd slap for like Rets or maybe Fury but
Like 7k haste for 20 secs just dont sound as fun
hardy snow
Like 7k haste for 20 secs just dont sound as fun
worse thing is that it's 2min, so doesn't align well with our CDs, but the ilvl can do the job
deft mortar
worse thing is that it's 2min, so doesn't align well with our CDs, but the ilvl ...
yea kinda was my only myth option
replcaed an 623 trink with it so like +1.3k Strength atleast
Oh wtf it gives me mastery
My secondaries got fucked in the new patch ahahah
keen leaf
can we spell reflect floodgate final boss?
heavy sparrow
all crit demolish feels good <:peepoHappy:673436349805625364>
On normal?
hardy snow
On normal?
that was hc
neon elk
can we spell reflect floodgate final boss?
If u mean thunderpunch or whats the name then no
keen leaf
nah the chasing thing
neon elk
Havent tried that , u checked sheet?
neon elk
I miss my s1 shard , gotta farm that house of cards
toxic pewter
what dungeons is eye of kezan not bad to use in anyone have rough ideas
i swear if I can keep it going it owns hard
lusty grotto
i mean
you played with anvil
and signet
so you already know what the pacing has to be
ToP is already scratched off
neon elk
I would say like ML , dfc , rookery and perhaps meadery, but they still require some planing others are quite harder to maintain imho
toxic pewter
rookery seems decent..?
lusty grotto
besides the jumps
toxic pewter
yeah hmm
lusty grotto
just think of gaps that dont have pulls, mandatory ones
toxic pewter
how long does this trinket even take to get to a spot where its breaking even
pallid quiver
Oh, right, when did they start adding spell reflect to our damage done in logs?
stray whale
yo is mechano-core amp better than pacemaker
wicked pollen
because the robot said so
low timber
my guild hella lacks tanks so imma work on one, how's prot feel for yall up to like 12s? I know everythings viable in keys that low, but just curious about the feel and everything of it.
wicked pollen
press revenge be 4th dps
low timber
neon elk
press revenge be 4th dps
U meant 3rd? 4th is someone else
fallow fern
If I'm crafting a shield to go with my crafted sword.. am I better off going with arm band or duskweave? I do mostly m+ with some Heroic raid..
naive panther
I embellished my sword because it'll be a while before I go double dawnthread.
willow portal
are you guys using this shit?
naive panther
No way
hidden rock
I farmed Priory and Flood. I wouldn't use that.
maiden forge
winged pawn
i haven't crafted before, i have 50 gilded undermine crests. Should i wait for 60 to buy the enchanted gilded crest if I'm gunna make a shield?
im capped this week from delves
lusty grotto
yes
winged pawn
ty
lusty grotto
what were you planning to use them on
winged pawn
just the everforged defender
winged pawn
oh i woudlve done runed
winged pawn
okay thanks!
orchid narwhal
I'm a new prot player warrior, one of my difficulties is figuring out where to even put things on my bars
As far as I can see, I do not cast slam anywhre in the guides, am I good to take this off my bars?
pallid quiver
Slam's a remnant from the leveling process, same with whirlwind
neon elk
Dont need to be on bars
pallid quiver
Rend gets applied with TC
orchid narwhal
Got it, thank you
This shit is worse than most other clasess in terms of button bloat LOL
orchid narwhal
Thats teh only other class I thikn of with terrible bloat LOL
Probably enhancement too
neon elk
Maybe in too used to war but i dont feel there is that many button compared to rest
lusty grotto
i dont either
neon elk
Feels like pala or druid have it pretty similar , with all of their utility butons and such
obtuse egret
In ML 2nd boss, we can get away from mob to drop bleed right?
lusty grotto
sure
i havent felt the need to do it but you can
just be careful with resetting the boss
toxic pewter
why is motherlode considered so easy
that place is like my most problematic dungeon
something always goes wrong in there
someone pulls some crap not supposed to
mighty valley
i think it's on the easier end when you do the pulls you intend to do
so it's dependent on the sorts of folks you bring
neon elk
That last war looks weird ngl
oak ivy
debated between 5 tank and 4 tank 1 heal
decided on 4 tank 1 heal in light of creeper dispel
then again we likely could've just all taken one and been fine
we pulled like 5 of them all together at the end for %
quartz wagon
Gentlemen I come bearing wonderful news
I...want to do that
small steeple
debated between 5 tank and 4 tank 1 heal
bring a bear with after the wildfire as 5th. Boom 5 tanks and 1 healer
oak ivy
LMAO
lusty grotto
Gentlemen I come bearing wonderful news
i highly suggest not doing these
at least not now
youre baiting a nerf
and especially not announcing them, if you do
i know its fun and all but just be wary
not all prot, not all tanks, youll bait a tank damage nerf fast
at least this early into the season
2 or 3 weeks after now, should be no prob
oak ivy
shyte that's a fair point
toxic pewter
I’ve had multiple people in pugs wanting to see prot warr nerfed
Like 3 people so far have said it to me lol
toxic pewter
It’s been in raids but like if I rip aggro it’s because the other tank not really doing good job
neon elk
Its usualy " damn that dmg" or so , but not calling for nerfs so far
lusty grotto
oh but that happens every single season
especially to regulars here
cause we know our class
so any other fotm shitter will get out agroed by any of us
toxic pewter
Yah true but something in the air this season people want to take us down I can sense it
pallid quiver
i havent had one single comment
Any single key that's not a +10, or that I outdamage a DPS, I get comments like that
lusty grotto
jesus
pallid quiver
Mid keys are the worst, per usual
Lowest keys are "ha ha cool, our tank is doing DAM!"
Like 7-10s,
Absolute shit fest in how people act
lusty grotto
sheesh
i had a shaman on a 12 top
that just didnt know when to lust
thats about the only toxic interaction ive had in a while
pallid quiver
i'm sending that shit as close to on CD as possible and you can't stop me
lusty grotto
pallid quiver
I'd rather just get 3-4 lusts as timer allows on something than super optimally scalpel analyze the inner machinations of a dungeon and its design and only get 1-2 lusts
lusty grotto
also pulled this guy
key dead
also died to ground spikes on bonestormy guy on platforms
lmaoo
pallid quiver
That's the one in the side hallway, right?
Even looking at a picture, I still can't tell shit apart in ToP
lusty grotto
yeah after you skip him
pallid quiver
I've never skipped a single mob this season, and I still don't plan to; the benefits of being a weekly key enjoyer
I can't be bothered to effort around skips
pallid quiver
does it require me to press other buttons than W, or to let go of W
I've got like 3/4 of a braincell, you can't tax me, Nim
lusty grotto
that guy? you just press W
no invis needed or anything
might need to stop pressing w
for a second while he patrols
lusty grotto
lol
glacial lynx
tome was awesome in raid but It stole all my luck from this weeks cache
jagged gust
ToP skips are simple
did a mini boss skip with a lock, none of us in the group knew the routing to get % afterwards lmao
MDT ig doesn't count % right so we thought we had to pull both roaming fart aboms
absolute shenanigans
neat vector
How important is main hand ilvl in terms of dps? Do our abilities scale well with weapon dps? Is it worth to craft 675 1h over hero track wep?
neat vector
ionic nimbus
How important is main hand ilvl in terms of dps? Do our abilities scale well wit...
As non-raider I had whole seasons with crafted weapons and shield… it’s always a gamble with your vault. But embellishments are very weak in tww, so it’s Not a big deal to lose them for a while
near ermine
Guys I'm have trouble getting threat at the beginning of big M+ pulls any tips?
jagged gust
use ravager to pull from ranged while gathering, applying bleeds early to each pack you plan on pulling
neon elk
U on voice or in pugs ?
near ermine
Both
neon elk
Well in voice call them out
prisma crane
there a reason that the Mechagon cloak is in the BiS list on wowhead?
surprised the ML one isnt the one we'd want
neon elk
At least if its on pull/gathering, thats 100% their fault and makes your life harder. If its midpull its on you
neon elk
there a reason that the Mechagon cloak is in the BiS list on wowhead?
Its bis only if u have whole gear same
neon elk
That bis list is bis only if the "set" of that items is whole
If u for example use different ring than this list says, your whole bis gear is different because of different stat weights
prisma crane
ah, didnt realize it's that specifc, fair enough
neon elk
Thats why y should sim yourself and not follow bis gear .
prisma crane
well sure for exact gear choices, but that's why typically BiS lists are "ideal" per slot, and arent set specific
jagged gust
It's actually because it's the coolest looking cloak in the entire game
That thing is in like 60% of all my mogs
prisma crane
see now that makes more sense to me
dense hill
Is this enough haste?
ionic nimbus
There isnt enough
The aim is to compensate the apm slowdown, implemented with the last patch!
dense hill
I think I have enough now though
unborn island
MORE
dense hill
.. I think I could push to like 45,000 if I keep trying lmao
unborn island
Passable I guess
gentle acorn
how are Capo knuckles for prot?
heavy sparrow
I think I have enough now though
lmao how
dense hill
Double haste rings + sockets/ enchants are about 12k, flask is another 3kish, signet from Priory for like 8k on use, tank trinket from Stix gives like 3500 after 20 seconds, + just all my other gear
Oh and using last season's raid neck that has like 5k haste too
With into the fray I think I was at nearly 71%
idle copper
Double haste rings + sockets/ enchants are about 12k, flask is another 3kish, si...
There is a neck piece from Brewery that gives almost 5k haste
cold shadow
Crafted shield. Do I craft bracers or weapon (at 649/645 atm)? I don't mythic raid and will probably start doing 10s this week.
unborn island
I'd do a weapon
You'll have enough crests to craft a set of bracers when you've got the sparks anyway
And even if a mythic weapon drops as your only mythic vault piece you save the 60 crests on upgrading it anyway
Should say - I did a weapon
idle copper
What flask are people running with colosus? I've been sticking with swiftness but wowhead is recommending the crit one
dense hill
I've been using alch chaos forever
cold shadow
I'd do a weapon
Thanks. Was kinda thinking the same
granite crater
Hey guys how good is the tank trinked from the Priority of ... (Tome of Light's Devotion) ?
On Wowhaed is S and on Bloodmelet is way down.
My thought is, it gives nice tank stats and good dmg passive so its very powerfull.
unborn island
It's excellent offensively if you play around it
I think in some keys I did last night it did similar overall to ravager, but I can't remember exactly.
jagged pier
Because bloodmallter uses the wrong apl
wicked pollen
Because bloodmallter uses the wrong apl
hi
dense remnant
did someone have a decent tome weakaura somewhere? the one i found on wago has some of the basic funtions, but missing some