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plush tendon
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those battle pet gamers? massive sweatlords

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achievement hunters? brooo, those guys sweat

chilly brook
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claw guy is like the least impactful mini boss for you as a warrior lmfao

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everything is blockable

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the damage intake isn't bad

half jewel
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We are sweatlords cuz our asses sweat so much while we sit in our chairs 16hrs a day

sharp gale
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i think it is mostly because of when you see on details IP first, you don't think straight that it eats the hps of leech and indomitable since it's an absorb

undone beacon
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Dont talk to me unless you have the Mayhem Mind Melder ok

ebon geyser
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i need some advice. should i craft a shield

mighty valley
undone beacon
cerulean tusk
long bronze
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I've not pet battled before or since mechagon in BFA

chilly brook
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I mean you can? I watch my IP go from like 700k to 4.2m in 1 global all the time

timid wigeon
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hi, asking about priority of flame, usually we kill a miniboss with the first boss. If is kill the mini boss first, will I get 5% from the miniboss ?

chilly brook
sharp gale
undone beacon
snow salmon
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is the move the myth tracked pants and keep farming for the pacemaker?

undone beacon
sharp gale
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MUD FOR THE MUD GOD

ebon geyser
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im a new 80 so this is all i could do with work in the way

undone beacon
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MUD FOR THE MUD GODS

limpid ruin
cerulean tusk
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When I see Mud, I think of Mud down in #pvp gladge

plush tendon
undone beacon
long bronze
limpid ruin
undone beacon
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holy mother of stoat

long bronze
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or just tokens

last pebble
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is the 1h from mugzee worth the lack of secondary stats?

ebon geyser
ebon geyser
sharp gale
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i would take tier (if it is one)

cyan bronze
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holy shit man

ebon geyser
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is what i have

undone beacon
plush tendon
cyan bronze
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stoats are fucking insane man

undone beacon
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Angry New Zealand Stoat vs North American Wild Boar

plush tendon
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or else it would ravage a island by himself

limpid ruin
glacial eagle
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Is sigil of algari concordance bait? It Sims so well for me

sharp gale
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Stoats are the new Honey Badger ? the chad of animals

undone beacon
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Stoats are the goat

chilly brook
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@slender bison yeah man that log really shows Dokigg doing so much damage

long bronze
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wait people are having issues with the punchy guy in top?

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just hit shield block?

chilly brook
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like yeesh how could I ever survive that as colo over thane?

long bronze
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bonk bonk bonk bonk bonk bonk bonk bonk

chilly brook
lusty grotto
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IP deez nutzzzz

chilly brook
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my healer had to do 166k hps to me during that mini boss

glacial eagle
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What about razdunk? It is the 2nd best simming trink of kujo, seaforium, sigil,

chilly brook
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clearly taxing him too much

median lava
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Is tome of light's devotion still really good if im only doing m+

long bronze
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there's literally one mob thats scary in any of these dungeons and it's the miniboss in priory

lusty grotto
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Tome is actually better in raid

sharp gale
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worst dungeon i guess for the uptime (cinderbrew, 60% and i'm not yet a pro on using it in m+)

chilly brook
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see post here

glacial eagle
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Razdunk and myth seaforium are. I have champ seaforium, hero kujo and sigil. @undone beacon

chilly brook
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So TLDR anything 3 targets or less tome is better. Up to 3.8% in pure 3m boss fight (for my character). Seaforium+House of Cards is anywhere from 1%-2% better everywhere else.

cyan bronze
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is that with the apl

chilly brook
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yes

cyan bronze
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kk

undone beacon
chilly brook
sharp gale
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yeah i took the worst one for uptime

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i think i'm 80% on regular dungeons

undone beacon
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I am once again asking the council, should I swap from goblin to dracthyr for my prot

sharp gale
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you know the answer

long bronze
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that's a you thing

undone beacon
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hrnnng

long bronze
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optimally you should be a dwarf

undone beacon
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Agreed but never gonna happen

chilly brook
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Yeah even in cinderbrew my uptime is 85.6%

undone beacon
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The day I main an alliance character is the day you take me out back and shoot me

long bronze
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if you want to goon, some flavor of elf or kul'tiran male

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otherwise does it really matter?

undone beacon
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The little dragon glide is more effective for movement than goblin rocket belt (and it doesnt disable leap), but I'm a goblin main ugh

lusty grotto
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Imagine giving a damn about factions

long bronze
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I'm a goblin main
This is a thing?

sharp gale
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gnome main

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Je suis gnome

lusty grotto
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Lol

undone beacon
long bronze
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frankly I don't want to swim in puddles

long bronze
sharp gale
cyan bronze
drifting hull
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If you care at all about mogs, Dragon can be hard to swallow

long bronze
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time is money friend

undone beacon
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GTL Friend

long bronze
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can't you perma vistage if you aren't evoker

sharp gale
lusty grotto
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Yeah was just gonna say that

drifting hull
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in combat, i thought you always reverted to dragon form

half jewel
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fireblood op

half jewel
drifting hull
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ahhh got it

half jewel
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when you cast dragon spells

sharp gale
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EvoLOSER

drifting hull
dapper summit
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Any idea how upgrading my tier chest from 652 to 658 could cause my sims to go down? Everything else is equal, I've been staring at it for 20 minutes trying to find out where I fucked up, I can't.
I even went and did a gear compare, comparing every upgrade stage between 652 and 658, with every stage up to 658 the sim has me losing dps. I don't get it.

Now it is a bit of a strange sim, so I'm guessing that it's probably a quirk of running shorter sims but I just have to ask what the hell is going on lol

drifting hull
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who needs portals, I have a Mole Machine

plush tendon
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human is better

chilly brook
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you know you can just not go dragon form yeah?

half jewel
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I loved dispelling myself of necrotic and other stuff

plush tendon
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double hearthstone OP

sharp gale
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Gnome = 1% haste and smol

drifting hull
dapper summit
long bronze
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yeah link the sim

chilly brook
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sim variance?

dapper summit
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It is a weird sim like I said, one sec

vocal flame
sharp gale
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Sim link starvers

dapper summit
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I'm sure it has everything to do with the fact I'm simming 5 at 40 seconds but I just have to ask to be sure.

sharp gale
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i can't say anything idk what gear compare is for

lusty grotto
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Hitting soft caps probably

chilly brook
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what is this build

strong forum
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that do be funny

lusty grotto
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Also yeah 40s is not 1 min or 1.5 mins

chilly brook
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you're hurting my soul

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running bolster

strong forum
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this is the worst part

dapper summit
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hahaha

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Yeah I haven't looked into anything I just kinda do my own thing rn

strong forum
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fair

lofty warren
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0/2 dwarf racial

sharp gale
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we all learn dw ^^

dapper summit
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Just a casual atm so I have that kinda freedom

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I had to brave up to ask here cuz I knew I was gonna get roasted

strong forum
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definitely a werid outcome for that sim to gain dps by dropping ilvl on the same item

dapper summit
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Never ran into somethin like this before

lusty grotto
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Resim at 1 min or 1.5mins

long bronze
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we friendly roast

lusty grotto
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Could be hitting soft caps

dapper summit
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The idea behind it is I'm trying to sim pull to pull in a M+ on avg

strong forum
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nothing todo with soft caps

chilly brook
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no champs bulwark

dapper summit
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idk how accurate dungeon slice is

strong forum
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you possibly cant GAIN dmg by dropping ilvl of the same item

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dungeon slice works

sharp gale
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yeah bc he gains just FREE stats on the sim why would it be lower x)

strong forum
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its not optimised around it, but its supported

dapper summit
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Okay yeah I wasn't sure so I was like well the 32-48s window of a (5) 40 sounds like an avg M+ pull for me, so I just ran with it.

chilly brook
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would mean that variance would be higher tbh

strong forum
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its still 78k iterations

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just chalk it up to "haha funky"

lofty warren
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Which key is easiest to pug complete 8x +10s and time them too?

dapper summit
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I ran like 8 sims too to try and like, see if I could get a new one +40k

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But they're all lower

sharp gale
strong forum
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is by far the most lenient on timer

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like you can troll your way through the key and still +2 it

dapper summit
chilly brook
long bronze
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thems pretty big whiskers

sharp gale
chilly brook
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you don't lose damage by gaining more stats

strong forum
half jewel
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If I am simming Tome, do I just add "actions+=/use_item,name=tome_of_lights_devotion,if=buff.inner_resilience.up" to the custom APL part in the sim options?

lofty warren
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Hmm what are you supposed to do on 2nd to last boss? He drops purple circles or something idk I usually just ignore everything and hit boss but idk if tank should be doing something else for him

long bronze
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you need the whole apl

chilly brook
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one sec

dapper summit
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Since I was roasted about bolster (and I actually have been considering dropping it) where do you guys reccommend I put that talent?

lofty warren
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On darkflame

strong forum
sharp gale
pastel sleet
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Yall know if the renown buff can be gained through killing lfr bosses? Looking for a quick way to cap before raidnight

nocturne spindle
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yea

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any tier of kill gives the same renown gain

chilly brook
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@strong forum can we get a pin on this ^

ebon geyser
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why this when we might not be always at 80% or higher

jagged gust
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80% is low balling it

strong forum
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but we are

sharp gale
chilly brook
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I suppose that's an option

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lol

chilly brook
jagged gust
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maaaaan, crit/mastery rings are simming so well for me

nocturne spindle
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fuck the sims 32k haste

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dew it

sharp gale
jagged gust
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The robot wants me to drop down to 14k haste

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like no

half jewel
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Thanks guys for sharing

long bronze
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the last key I did, a floodgate 10 I had 90% uptime on dawnthread

ebon geyser
strong forum
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if you play well, we are THE tank that stays 100% hp the longest

jagged gust
# ebon geyser really?

I have 89% uptime in a ToP 10 (and I was high as balls that run and wasted like 1k rage)

strong forum
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so the people who will put in the effort, can do it manually

lofty warren
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On last boss TOP she bitch makes the suck and spawns adds and also hits me with her cleaver all at the same time.

I can survive 1x of the combo with all defensives but then when she does is the 2nd time it kills me. What to do?

strong forum
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people would give a false positive if they arent playing around the trinket

sharp gale
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okok good reasoning, i understand i just wanted to understand why

chilly brook
teal hill
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Wowheads saying pacemaker is all specs. Should I just open as prot?

long bronze
strong forum
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pacemaker doesnt drop as prot

dapper summit
long bronze
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pretty sure it does nom

teal hill
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Weird wow head saying it did

long bronze
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like 99% sure it does

sharp gale
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if you are in prot loot spec doing floodgate

lofty warren
chilly brook
nocturne spindle
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im almost certain pacemaker drops as prot?

strong forum
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__ How to sim Tome of Lights Devotion__

If you want to sim Tome of Lights Devotion while min-maxing the trinket, use this APL and copy-paste it into the "custom APL" section at the bottom of raidbots.

nocturne spindle
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i think thats how i got mine

strong forum
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how the fuck do you die to her attack with SW up

strong forum
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i took that shit natty in a 13

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and lived

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without any defensives

sharp gale
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i'm pretty sure you turned you char to kick something or whatever and got cleaved in the ass

chilly brook
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yeah like it hurts without a defensive but like only drops you 40%

small steeple
sharp gale
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i don't like the weekly tyr/fort change, it doesn't help really learning players

lofty warren
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I'll have to try it again. I think one of the problems was that I was only 70% going into suck and cleaver combo time

strong forum
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just click the timestamp

small steeple
sharp gale
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bc like i did a 8 top with a new player, the cleave last boss of ToP does 10% of my health no cd(so the dude was amazed), in fort you don't learn boss before a 10 and in tyr you don't learn trashs before 10.

small steeple
vocal flame
sharp gale
strong forum
vocal flame
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true lol

long bronze
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more mud

nocturne spindle
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yea you either have the 2h on the table or the mud trinket

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so its whatever you want

long bronze
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until I bank a myth tome it's perma prot vaults for me

sharp gale
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i gave the first boss myth tank trinket to a dps bc it is so ass

jagged gust
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after getting myth throngus finger in 3 consecutive vaults prot loot is a never again

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also fuck tome

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I'll be fine with my 99 parses 😢

small steeple
sharp gale
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first season i crafted wep+shield and never opened vault as prot (but i raided as fury)

long bronze
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the pit whistle is just for lubing up the homies

sharp gale
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i gave it for free crest upgrade to someone

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(bc i got the helmet / we had 2 plate this week)

jagged gust
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a whole 1million damage on a 90 sec CD?

small steeple
# sharp gale

oh thats not a tank trinket, thats just a normal trinket

jagged gust
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hot diggity dog

long bronze
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recently oiled approved

sharp gale
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that's a tank trinket

small steeple
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no? What part of that is tank specific

sharp gale
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you can't drop it as dps

neon elk
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Agro

sharp gale
small steeple
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its literally an on use damage proc?

jagged gust
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t h r e a t

small steeple
neon elk
sharp gale
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Threat is also an obvious reason

long bronze
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is a tank trinket

small steeple
sharp gale
long bronze
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IT WILL BE MINE

neon elk
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Yea its in tooltip

sharp gale
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and dps can't drop it Badkad

long bronze
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I'm gonna get that thing, press it into a DS 10 stack demolish

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I'm sorry co tank, you thought you had threat?

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I am the threat.

small steeple
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That happens anyway with me in raid

long bronze
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yeah fair

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demolish crits keks

small steeple
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Poor prot paladin/vdh co tank cry in pain as I take 3-4 tank bust stacks in a row

sharp gale
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idk how much more dps you need to get threat issues

final flicker
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Hello,

I am picking up protection warrior as tank for the first time (Tanking for the first time ever!), I did a few timewalking dungeons as I am leveling my warrior from fresh to kind of get used to the rotation, granted this isn't probably the best way to learn tanking as people just blast past and don't really follow tank, I did have a few questions, I am level 30 right now granted I dont have all the abilities, however, I was wondering how to maintain threat, the idea behind it when pulling large number of mobs, I don't know how to round a lot of mobs together? Is the threat just generated as I attack the mobs?

sharp gale
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i have 300k difference with co-tank and no weird things

small steeple
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1st boss

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on normal lol

jagged gust
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tanks have threat modifiers so they generate threat multiplied by the damage they do

nocturne spindle
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leveling dungeons are in like 0 way indicitive of how the game feels at max level

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its just a cluster fuck

long bronze
nocturne spindle
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when your tanking if you do basically ANY amount of damage to a mob you will rarely lose threat

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but its just janky in leveling dungeons

small steeple
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cauldron on normal

final flicker
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Got it, I was very confused doing these timewalking as I had no idea why I was losing some mobs. That clears up a lot. Warrior tanks seem quite fun though

long bronze
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normal vexie keks

small steeple
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sprocketmonger I had 500k more dps than co-tank

vocal flame
jagged gust
restive oak
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thats a sad group

jagged gust
sharp gale
long bronze
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2min

final flicker
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Or maybe I just didn't enjoy it the same way i do Warrior

sharp gale
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my guild can't do bikes even in mythic

restive oak
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i'm sad at my normal logs, i have 1 98 😦

sharp gale
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took until first enrage to get the first dmg amp and each time it gets close to enrage again x)

solid sun
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If my casual aotc guild doesn’t kill normal vexxie in the first vulnerability phase is heroic looking fried for us

restive oak
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i make them lust burn phase

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"but my cds wont be back up" i dont care 😦

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mine will

sharp gale
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i do all the balls yes bc fun

long bronze
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in normal just lust pull every boss

half jewel
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I have had bad luck with getting trinkets. Tome at champ level is all I have seen so far. Gonna hope I can grind out a pacemaker this week

vocal flame
restive oak
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bear and war play pretty similiarly tbh

jagged gust
nocturne spindle
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iron fur is just druid ignore pain

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ez

sharp gale
restive oak
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yeah

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they are lol

undone beacon
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Bear is braindead, its great. I hit Ironfur, Thorns of Iron does a bunch of damage, I auto-moonfire everything, spam thrash and swipe, win

half jewel
undone beacon
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if I take any damage I hit frenzied regen and go back to spamming ironfur

restive oak
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just stay healthy and keep it on offense, stat stick ez

jagged gust
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My 626 Shard is still simming better than every hero trinket I own, it's a terrible feeling

sharp gale
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oh you got our rotation wtf

undone beacon
solid sun
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Revenge to the moon

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Pretty tough

undone beacon
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All they need to do is make it so hitting ignore pain does a pulse of aoe damage and its just bear

sharp gale
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ofc the 2 rage tank are kinda similar

long bronze
sharp gale
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but no leap so L bear

undone beacon
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Make a prot warrior build thats breath of sindragosa except defensive and uses rage ez class design

restive oak
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and no 2 charges of charge

long bronze
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no

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ranged warrior

restive oak
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3 if you cant shieldblock

sharp gale
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and bear form so no mog so L

long bronze
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we yell at mobs

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do sonic damage

restive oak
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i mean felbear is kinda kewl

vocal flame
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sonic boom?

restive oak
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but you cant even wear a hat

vocal flame
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block physical attacks! we win

undone beacon
sharp gale
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bear can't be gnome so L

undone beacon
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Give us Bulwark blizzard you cowards

long bronze
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5 energy

restive oak
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i thought bulwark made last stand give shield block 😛

undone beacon
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Just swap energy for rage ez game

restive oak
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honestly private servers do classic + better than bliz, all their design ideas are too homogenous these days

solid sun
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How come none of my shouts offer bloodlust

restive oak
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they'll give it to paladins first

sharp gale
undone beacon
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One of the hero talent trees should've been called "Loud" and focused on shouting ez class design

mighty valley
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i've gotta imagine there's some design rationale to tanks never having bloodlust, i just don't know what it is tbh

sharp gale
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lvling is 100% fun

undone beacon
restive oak
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"warriors can't have real group utility, and rally has to suck now"

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late shadowlands rally with conduit was pretty nice

mighty valley
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it gets kind of insane for raid when it's good enough to be impactful in m+

restive oak
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it was pretty insane in raid at that point lol

undone beacon
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I'm telling you, bring back banner and give prot warrs a group buff niche they can talent in to

restive oak
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like best healing cd almost :p

mighty valley
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yeah, forces them to up the healing checks kinda hard

restive oak
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i loved banner gameplay

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it was better than kirian

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but i ❤️ apm

mighty valley
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banner gameplay was just normal gameplay with a timer telling you how good you were doing it

restive oak
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i could keep it up til it was back off cd alot

undone beacon
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and boy does it feel good to be told im doin a good job ;3

long bronze
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CONDEMN GOAT

mighty valley
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condemn was so fun... for half a patch

long bronze
restive oak
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didnt they kill it in s1? :p

undone beacon
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oh fuck im gonna condemn

mighty valley
undone beacon
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I just want them to take Ravager out of the prot tree and do something more interesting with the space. Its such a boring generic talent

sharp gale
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do you think one day they will do a reverse thane as fury and make use play with whirlwind x)

undone beacon
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ew

restive oak
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uninstall

sharp gale
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with the cleave mech of it

restive oak
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so 4 globals of cleave?, but like what you cleaving besides shield slam and execute

undone beacon
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Aside from the gameplay implications, theres not cool flavor to it like thane has smh

restive oak
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i dont think itd work out :p

long bronze
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the only thing I want is bigger revenge

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as in size

undone beacon
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LIGHTNING GOD vs i swinga mah sword around hehe

restive oak
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could be wrong tho, never know til ya try

long bronze
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oh and 5 more yds on pummel

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would be goated

sharp gale
restive oak
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i was kinda dooming on prot changes til later in beta cycle

undone beacon
mighty valley
undone beacon
sharp gale
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i'm a brown named people after all Pasha

long bronze
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wait

mighty valley
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but they stepped it back and gave huge compensation

restive oak
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it was horrendous, lol

long bronze
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they made corridor creeper dot dispellable?

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ye gods

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praise be

restive oak
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and then we complained enough for them to give us enough to be op :p

undone beacon
restive oak
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dwarf works on creeper dot now?! 😄

long bronze
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dorki's stream

undone beacon
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oh sick

restive oak
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if true that would be nice

undone beacon
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is it a magic effect now?

cyan bronze
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good.

stiff gate
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thats awesome, i feel like that was the only threatening pack in there for tanks

restive oak
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i mean yeah, just dont know if it would feel good gameplay wise

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but #s feel good

stiff gate
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lmao dorki just pulling 5 creepers at once now

restive oak
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i was so sad when i went to dwarf debuff first time and it didnt work :p

long bronze
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not sure if this is gonna get automodded

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cool it didn't

vocal flame
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its not in the hotfix notes, weird

undone beacon
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That’s huge actually

stiff gate
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ok so now i guess the game is figuring out how to skip even more of the early trash andjust doing a mega creeper pull for fun at the end

long bronze
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prolly just skip the trash before candle king

stiff gate
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the mini bosses? are they skippable?

long bronze
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yeah

stiff gate
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i know in priory blizzard decided to hard link half the room to the final boss, and also link the patrol to the miniboss if you try to pull miniboss first

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guess i kinda expected they'd do the same here

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and just aggro them if you pull the boss

sharp gale
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your healer will cry i think if you do

solid sun
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New dungeon hotfixes show the creeper dot is dispellable

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So if isn’t a mistake

sharp gale
vocal flame
solid sun
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Wowhead post

sharp gale
stiff gate
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my group tried to make a route where we death/shroud skipped the entire cathedral and then backpulled from the boss to do your 16 -> 15 -> another pull, but it turns out if you pull 15, it pulls the patrol as well

sharp gale
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and darkflame timer got reduced

vocal flame
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oooo ok i was looking at the notes only

stiff gate
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insane that that's the only priory change

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like okay, yes the timer needed help

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but the outgoing random target damage on every pack in that dungeon compared to any other key this season is like 30-40% higher

ebon geyser
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is not much but is honest work

stiff gate
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sacred toll, impale, disrupting shout, thunderclap, shoot...

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whatever the lightspawn channel is named

solid sun
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Freedom provides immunity to the thunderclap dam

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Or at least that’s what I was told

stiff gate
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timer changes are usually retroactive right? so if i had a priory out of time by less than 1:30 i should get score when i log in?

sharp gale
stiff gate
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if you try to do him with a knight and the thunderclap/disrupting line up just right you can global your whole team

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very cool

sharp gale
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yeah

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don't do a knight with him then

stiff gate
#

sure, but it makes the first pull kind of a waste if you dont do the miniboss with it

#

if you don't do miniboss in first pull you are adding an additional pull downstairs since you have to do at least 2 (first miniboss and 2nd miniboss) before going upstairs

sharp gale
solid sun
#

Why are you doing two mini bosses before going upstairs

sharp gale
#

3 or 4 footman

solid sun
#

Just do the one and skip the one that runs down

sharp gale
#

they give a lot %

#

and you chain pull them with other packs

stiff gate
#

do you fight double mini with the first boss in that case?

sharp gale
#

wdym

stiff gate
#

they're almost 6% each and she's pretty easy it seems bad not to kill her

solid sun
#

I fight the priest and the guy that runs to where the priest died

#

And I fight the fat dude downstairs but skip the one that runs to his corpse

stiff gate
#

wait if you skip the one that comes running she just chills there forever?

solid sun
#

Yep

stiff gate
#

i assumed she'd just come back to the boss like court of stars

#

weird

#

finding 6% extra count in there also seems hard though, are you pulling the entire cathedral at the end? almost every pull worth more than 2-3% in this dungeon has some combo of paladin/lightspawn, 2xpaladin, sharpshooter/knight or 4+ casters at once

solid sun
#

I pull all of the cathedral except the two packs close together on the front left side of the room

#

After boss 2

sharp gale
neon elk
#

Damn that coridor creeper nerf realy makes me happy ngl

long bronze
#

all my homies hate corridor creeper

stiff gate
#

lots of dragging minibosses around to pick up more small mobs as the first ones died

mighty valley
#

corridor creeper nerf is welcome but it's also the only part of the dungeon that was scary lol

sharp gale
long bronze
mighty valley
#

lol

stiff gate
#

all my homies love berserker rage

long bronze
#

yeah it's not the being feared part, it's the giga wax statues part

stiff gate
#

healer problem 🙂

nocturne spindle
#

wtf is that 3 pull

#

oh wait

#

nvm

stiff gate
#

someone just tags the 4 footmen up top when the patrol isnt there

nocturne spindle
#

i thought it was the sniper packs

stiff gate
#

then u fight her with the other footmen and the 2 casters down by the stairs

nocturne spindle
#

yeye makes more sense

#

i thought you were tagging the snipers from the left stairs

stiff gate
#

oh lol

solid sun
#

Pull three looks like you’re going for a hike

#

Little casual marathon inside the dungeon

stiff gate
#

nah the healer just goes and hits the 4 up top

#

the others are next to each other

#

but also i dont think its a great pull its just

#

there's nothing else to pull there

#

everything else is sharpshooters, casters, knights...

#

could probably grab the other 3 pack right there of 2 casters

#

but, my group sucks at kicks and stops

solid sun
#

Ah

#

My group also sucks at kicks and stops

solemn kelp
#

I should craft myself a 675 shield right? I'm not going to get a mythic track shield any time soon...

solid sun
#

But instead of crafting some new route I just grind out failed keys until they learn

stiff gate
#

the actual casual marathon in the dungeon is pull 6 though i think we found out you dont have to get that sharpshooter and can just take mini + footmen straight to the caster pack

stiff gate
ebon geyser
#

is col ok for low keys like 2+

long bronze
#

it's good for anything

burnt torrent
#

Any recommendations for crafting? We are progging mythic rik reverb at the moment

long bronze
#

shield if you're a gambling man, cape otherwise?

stray sonnet
#

this any good for prot?

long bronze
#

nope

burnt torrent
#

A decent cape drops of vexie, and just got titan of industry today

long bronze
#

shield ilvl is BIS

#

but rix drops a shield, hence gambling

jagged pier
#

but u want your emblishments on the low stat budget pieces

long bronze
#

heroic gally shield is not worth it over crafted

jagged pier
#

dude hes doing rik if hes not got 10s in vault then i dunno but he has so many chances at a myth shield

#

not worth the craft

burnt torrent
#

Im also doing 8 + 10s per week

long bronze
#

which is why I also suggested cape

burnt torrent
#

So is it just crit/haste cloak craft then?

long bronze
#

sim the stats, but I'd be surprised if it didn't come up crit/haste

burnt torrent
#

Cloak craft it is, definitely highest ilvl upgrade as well as a low stat budget

long bronze
#

yeah its a perma lock in

raw parcel
#

I'm confused. I equip an upgrade (a boring one, cloak), my armor increases... but it says the physical damage reduction of my total armor has gone down. Very, very slightly, but still.

nocturne spindle
#

so we can dwarf racial the creeper dot now right

#

hyugeeee

#

dwarf supremecy

idle copper
nocturne spindle
#

also does anyone have a weak aura to show all the dots that actually hurt

vital vale
#

thank you lawd

nocturne spindle
#

i have a general you can use dwarf racial weak aura but some of them are kind dumb to waste on

#

and wanna see stacks and shit of the actual hard hitting ones

vital vale
#

fuck those creepers

idle copper
#

Ive crafted the 675 Shield - best going Fury for vaults or stick with prot for 1H and PSF trinket?

nocturne spindle
#

it seems like most of the good trinkets for us can also drop in prot this tier

#

so i dont think theres a big reason to switch to arms/fury

versed snow
#

To forgo the pain of a shield being in the vault after crafting, I get it

long bronze
#

that's still a W though

#

myth shield > craft shield

#

all you lost was a spark

#

no crests

idle copper
#

cool cheers

versed snow
#

Unless you went 675, then going ->678 versus a giga upgrade for another slot

long bronze
#

ye just cuz you have myth shield as an option you dont have to take it

#

just like deciding between two good items

#

dunno why people act like shield is a holy relic

#

shield is best defensive slot, but other item slots are still good

mighty valley
#

it's a pretty tiny optimization either way, increases your chances of getting what you want by a fraction of a percent MAYBE

long bronze
#

gonna dinar gally shield at some point anyways

mighty valley
#

it's not like the tiers where speccing dps opens up busted trinkets prot can't loot

#

if you open in arms your brain's just gonna be mad about the 2hers instead

long bronze
#

yup

versed snow
#

Facts

#

You can run all the numbers, but in the end can still get a shitty mythic cloak as the only viable option like myself

#

And such is life

long bronze
#

hey you knock it but I saw one myth cloak all season last season

#

and it was my first vault

#

on the upside, cloak's low itemization means bad stats hurt less

versed snow
#

I’m all for it, it’s RNG

long bronze
#

and prot doesn't really have any bad stats

versed snow
#

True, it’s a set and forget

long bronze
#

it's all gravy

heavy sparrow
long bronze
urban bane
#

these dungeon nerfs bro

#

it is like they are using a different measuring stick than last season

urban bane
#

I'm not complaining! It is just funny

vocal flame
#

Guys can i still be in the club if its not mythic?

heavy sparrow
#

Do I have the right sim settings, 1st real season for me. Last season I started halfway

vocal flame
#

haha ty

vocal flame
#

I followed the note that Nom put and copy and pasted the thing but it still sims weird

#

taking it anyway

mystic stag
#

Would a max crafted shield be better than the gallywix hero shield? I assume so, but im not sure how impactful the proc is. I don't raid mythic, so I won't be getting a myth gally shield

nocturne spindle
#

yes

idle copper
#

is there a weak aura for taunt swapping in LoU - DBM seems off

novel pike
#

which one do you guys think? I only have a 2 set so far and don't do raid. Is tome really super good?

nocturne spindle
#

get 4 set first you can farm hero tome

south goblet
#

you get a cata charge this week so you could be 4 set if you stake the shoulders

novel pike
#

okay thanks guys

mortal edge
#

Do you guys approach Cinderbrew first pull by going to the right side first then to the left

#

and Chewy with the boss

#

trying to make it a quicker loop than that for the first part and i just want to see if you guys have any other altnernatives

nocturne spindle
#

well now i would probablu pull all rigth side and chewy?

#

maybe

#

hard to say with the nerfs

south goblet
#

they didnt nerf chewies tenderize ability. That was what was rly stopping you from pulling him with the big trash pull.

#

it by it self half healths the dps and kills them if there targeted by anythign else at the same time

lusty grotto
#

you pull right first

#

can pull a couple from left if you feel like it

chilly brook
#

that looks like expected behavior for tome in aoe

versed flume
#

Guys is there a reflect list sheet for the current season?

tired prairie
#

Is Eye of Kezan also a good pick for m+?

vocal flame
neon elk
undone beacon
late plinth
#

Noobish question here, if I craft a two hand weapon for my Arms spec at 675, can I then upgrade my prot one hander (up that that ilevel) using only flight stones?

chilly brook
#

it's just like any other trinket that we've had that has a reliance on staying in combat, just chain pull

chilly brook
#

what healers do you run with?

#

most of mine don't have to drink that often

#

and if they do I make sure they start drinking and then go grab something

undone beacon
chilly brook
#

ToP and mechagon

#

Any other minor inconveniences can be fixed through toys

frozen berry
#

Myth track tier shoulders that rolled leech, not too bad for a vault

bleak breach
#

myth tier chest or myth signet of priory? i'm kinda stuck.

undone beacon
#

At that point just take a pacemaker and enjoy the dungeon haha

chilly brook
#

I didn't say it was good for the "average player"

#

I just stated that the blanket judgement of "it loses value in M+" isn't accurate

lusty grotto
#

follows kind of the same rules as signet/anvil

#

so this shouldn't exactly be new to any regulars here

#

either way there are other competitive options like house of cards and pacemaker

lusty grotto
versed flume
#

Well is always and will be pinned but it won't open

lusty grotto
#

thats an issue on your end

versed flume
#

It's not working

lusty grotto
#

works for me

versed flume
#

Ah okay thanks

nocturne spindle
#

yea the link works

#

dunno why you cant open it

versed flume
#

will check the issue from my end

nocturne spindle
#

but thats the sheet

sharp olive
south goblet
#

works for me as well

versed flume
round cliff
#

heroic rick weapon in my vault

#

orrrr heroic helm w/ indestructable

#

i gotta take weapon cuz its a weapon right

#

w/ good stats

lusty grotto
#

probably for security reasons or if youre in a corporate environment

round cliff
#

nimchip decide my vault pick

versed flume
#

Ah it worked on microsoft Edge

#

Weird..

pallid quiver
round cliff
#

true

pallid quiver
pallid quiver
# round cliff true

Depending on what you have and can get, tokens may technically be best in a serious note

pallid quiver
#

If you guys are planning on oushing M raid and 10s soon, you might as well get socket

round cliff
#

hero helmet

#

hero bracers

nocturne spindle
#

planning to get myth track ever?

round cliff
#

from m+ maybe

#

raid gonna be a struggle

#

we're still on heroic lol

pallid quiver
#

His guild was trying to push M in DF iirc, but took on the roster boss

#

Hence why I loosely asked

round cliff
#

reformed since then

#

we kinda healthy now

nocturne spindle
#

get helm for catalyst if you dont have a heroic track

round cliff
#

gamerskill-wise? its up in the air

nocturne spindle
#

craft weapon?

#

its an akshually token angle but thats stinky

round cliff
#

theres also hero bracers in here

#

they'd be replacing s1 619 bracers

#

but

#

bracers r kinda unimportant

pallid quiver
#

If you're willing to craft wep, I'd take helm in that case

#

Could also wait until raid to see if you get drops, but

I'm fairly positive helm is late in raid, isn't it?

#

I haven't actually stepped foot in raid or deeply looked at loot tables yet, so

round cliff
#

helm is one armed bandit

nocturne spindle
#

helm and shoulders are usually the last 2 peices

round cliff
#

we're on sprocketlocken mongerstock rn

#

in heroic

pallid quiver
#

Yeah, I was thinking it came from last boss

round cliff
#

so i coooould maybe wait for one armed bandit

#

we miiiiiight get it this week

pallid quiver
#

I'd just grab helm ow and craft wepnif you have gilded crests for it

round cliff
#

ive got 66 crests

#

that enough?

pallid quiver
#

Yep

round cliff
#

shouldnt i craft shield if its also champ tho

#

both my wep and shield are champ

pallid quiver
#

It's 60 per gilded craft

#

Shield is better for survival, so technically it's better,

round cliff
#

its not like im taking dmg im a prot warrior

pallid quiver
#

But for the content you're doing, it shouldn't be too dangerous

nocturne spindle
#

yea whats your crest cap looking like

pallid quiver
#

So wepnwould be more damage

nocturne spindle
#

if you havent used alot you can craft wep and shield rn

round cliff
nocturne spindle
#

yea those are the biggest two upgrade

round cliff
#

but if i craft wep then i wont get the weapon appearance............

#

w/e its blue i dont like blue

pallid quiver
#

You'll get the crafted wep appearance 🙂

round cliff
#

what abt my bracers tho?

#

619 and if im crafting wep/shield then im not crafting them

nocturne spindle
#

i mean

round cliff
#

does any dungeon even drop haste/crit bracers

nocturne spindle
#

its bracers its not very important

#

you can craft some 629 ones for free if you want

round cliff
#

can u? damn

nocturne spindle
#

i think brewery has crit haste ones

round cliff
#

sure does

lost glacier
#

Whats the best spec to open vault with? I already have a 675 shield so I was thinking fury for a chance to 1h weapon and dps trinket

pallid quiver
#

So that's worth consideration

#

Tome being a good example

#

actually off the top of my head, I recall Jakey saying that every decent trinket for Prot actually can drop under Prot lootspec

nocturne spindle
#

most if not all are trinkets are in the prot pool

#

so prot is fine

lost glacier
#

Alright! Thanks 🙂

round cliff
#

what embellish do i want on sword/shield

nocturne spindle
#

yea every S and A tier trinket is in prot spec table so

#

just checked

lusty grotto
#

no embelish is fine

#

whats important is ilvl into weapon damage

round cliff
#

im not a broke boy i gotta put smth on it

lost glacier
#

Well, meh vault

nocturne spindle
#

radio is good

#

and catalyst gloves

#

could be worse

smoky anvil
#

What good changes to DFC

lusty grotto
smoky anvil
#

good lord

lusty grotto
#

embelishments are turbo trash this season, they shouldn't be a consideration

lost glacier
#

Could be worse indeed

wooden robin
#

wow running with bomb suit this week and man talk about boost of confidence on huge pulls with pain supp follow up from priest

#

loving that trinket

lusty grotto
#

bomb suit is the best def trinket right now

#

so yeah

wooden robin
nocturne spindle
#

bombsuit full pull of room 1 in cinderbrew

#

what could go wrong

#

good luck dps

#

dont die

wooden robin
#

LOL

lusty grotto
#

back hits

wooden robin
#

yeah and dps dying

lusty grotto
#

who cares about dps

#

they spawn right there

wooden robin
#

true

lusty grotto
#

0 run time

round cliff
#

u can convert these special on use helms to tier right

sharp gale
#

helmet is on the first boss

#

(if you plan myth raid loot etc)

round cliff
#

got helm anyways cuz i think dps are gonna be prio'd for mythic 2pc

#

so ill prob not be getting it for a hot sec

#

is there anyone on a52 who can craft my sword/bracers?

rapid sable
#

did the avatar spell id change? my weak aura broke

sharp gale
round cliff
#

i know the ppl in charge of loot ive already schmoozed them enough to get full hero tier before some dps

#

im getting 0 luck on the mythic stuff xd

sharp gale
#

we are 3 plates, 2 got the helmet on the first already x)

regal yarrow
#

Is it just easier to have block uptime this season? Last season 75% of melees was a struggle, but it feels like 85% blocked this season doesn't even take thought

round cliff
#

100% uptime is free

#

rn

nocturne spindle
#

more haste= more uptime + tier set gives uptime this season

sharp gale
#

you had 100% block last season with HR now you have 100% easy block with ITF

round cliff
#

*if u have enough haste

#

i have 23% haste so i still need to take HR i think

#

whats the cutoff

sharp gale
#

18k still i think

small steeple
#

17-18k

#

Without 4pc

round cliff
#

i have 11k looooooooooooool

sharp gale
#

less with tier

small steeple
#

Don’t know what it is with

#

@strong forum how much haste for into the fray with the 4 pc?

lusty grotto
#

18k

#

17-18k

strong forum
#

with 4pc?

#

idk 14k?

lusty grotto
#

oh with 4pc

#

SC stonks

idle copper
#

How does the 4pc influence picking up Into the fray?

strong forum
#

you get 2x as many shield charges

#

which means more SB uptime

idle copper
#

yep sorry, wasnt thinking

#

so 2.3 SC a min?

strong forum
#

closer to 2

idle copper
#

Does SB still cap out the same?

strong forum
#

well yeah

round cliff
#

@strong forum what embellish did u say u put on wep/shield?

#

elemental focusing lens?

strong forum
#

embellishs hardly matter

#

but dawn/dusk still perform the best

round cliff
#

IM PUTTING ON A GOD DAMN EMBELLISH

#

u cant put those on wep

lusty grotto
#

get fucked

#

just roll the dice

#

idk why you dont wanna sim like i said

cerulean tusk
#

Just take the shield one - become tanky tank tank

lusty grotto
round cliff
#

ok fine ill sim

round cliff
lusty grotto
#

just remember to remove that embelish when you go and up your bracers! 🙂

solid sun
#

I volunteer someone else to sim for me

lusty grotto
#

venmo me 5 dollars

solid sun
#

I’ll copy the sims output and send it to you in a dm

#

And then your payment is the cozy feeling of making me happy

lusty grotto
#

time is money friend!

viral jackal
#

I just have dawnthread on my 675 bracers and shield

solid sun
#

I offer you exposure instead of money

#

Once it gets out you’re simming for people you’ll swim in Venmo payments

#

Every budding artist loves exposure instead of proper payment

viral jackal
#

Is there ever a reason to not take overwhelming rage?

Increasing Max rage by 30 seems like a no brainer?

solid sun
#

Because if you’re gonna use two embellishes you’re gonna want 2x dawnthread or whatever

orchid citrus
#

can someone tell me what the 2nd piece of crafted gear we should go for outside of bracers

solid sun
#

Not whatever the weapon one is

#

What would be a good ilvl upgrade for you

solid sun
#

What do you have access to

viral jackal
#

I went with 675 shield since I have hero track weapon

orchid citrus
#

ok cool

viral jackal
#

And more block value = more shield slam damage

sharp gale
lusty grotto
#

nome just said dawn/dusk sim better

devout rivet
#

I've been having 0 luck when it comes to weapon drop, literally using vet and champ 1h and shield. At this point I will just craft each of them glided, is there any good Embelishment to use on weapons?

sharp gale
#

yeah but if he has a wep i would guess ascension+writhing will be better until he gets a 678 wep ^^

#

i might be wrong tho so i don't exclude that

lusty grotto
#

people cant scroll 5 lines up

round cliff
#

i think i should just not embellish the wep

#

i am proud that i came to this conclusion on my own

#

and that nobody told me this from the start

lusty grotto
#

im proud of you

round cliff
#

ill safe the embellish for duskthread bracers/belt when i craft em

cinder marsh
#

i got the hero track shield from rook but i also got the crafted 658 shield, what should i use?

sharp gale
round cliff
#

i dont

#

:3

sharp gale
#

oh i thought you already had the wep

round cliff
#

my blacksmith guildie is mia

#

else i would

sharp gale
#

that's why i was wondering why would you not throw an embellish on it while you wait to craft something else i'm really sorry i misunderstood

strong forum
#

^

winged pawn
#

oof - i just ran +2 operation floodgate and got destroyed by swampface.

i made sure to have shield block up for every sludge claws and i popped shield wall for rushing tides. Even then, I couldn't heal up enough. Is there a better way to plan defensives?

lusty grotto
#

wall for rushing tides? but why

#

just dodge

winged pawn
#

hahah idk, panic? my team kept wiping during that so i was trying to stay alive

lusty grotto
#

look at the sheet

sharp gale
lusty grotto
#

thats pinned

#

the reflectable sheet

winged pawn
#

okok ty

lusty grotto
#

just spell block

winged pawn
#

okayge perfect

#

damn.. thunderpunch not blockable. sad

thin mesa
#

hey guys is mountain thane playable

#

if we like it more

pallid quiver
#

Yeah, it functions perfectly fine

#

It does less damage for a non-definitive amount more tankiness

lusty grotto
potent anvil
#

I broke 3m overall

thin mesa
#

do u have the build for mountain thane keys

pallid quiver
#

Notably, your DPS broke 2M

pallid quiver
cerulean tusk
thin mesa
#

thank u

topaz latch
#

which is more expendable, indom or violent outburst?

pallid quiver
#

Currently, indom

#

Before, neither was really expendable unless you were explicitly parse farming

#

Now, with rage changes and the indom nerf from the start of TWW, it's not really doing that much

#

VO is a literal keystone of Prot War at this point

#

if you want to play with outburst, you might want to just not play prot war

it's really good

frozen berry
#

With 4pc do we drop Indom for battering ram in m+ as well?

small steeple
#

ravager

pallid quiver
#

or indom

#

and keep ravager

frozen berry
#

That’s what I’m saying, seems like Ravager provides more cleave and if indom is kinda shit anyway why even bother

potent anvil
#

I dropped indom for ram

#

Didnt feel a difference in tankiness. Although still farming 10-11s for gear/vault.

solid sun
#

I dropped anger management

#

I'm jk

#

ha got you

potent anvil
solid sun
#

idk what that means

#

Is this a sign I'm getting too old

potent anvil
#

Yes

solid sun
#

That's it, you scoundrel

#

Can we trade this dude out for Jakey

#

When jakey is here I'm not receiving ageism remarks

cinder marsh
#

ik i said this alot of times and im sorry for that, but im trying to figure out what shield to have crafted 658 or shield from rook hero track

neon elk
#

They are or can be same ilvl, so its a sim angle

heavy sparrow
#

If you didn't get shield when you wanna push get any you can craft that you can do

raw parcel
#

Vault wasn't nice to me this week. Choices were a ring, a cloak, or a terrible trinket. ;~;

#

Not bad exactly, just very boring.

vestal moat
#

anyone know if i can loot mechano core amplifier in prot spec

neon elk
#

Yes

vestal moat
#

ty

ancient pasture
#

Is PWar a 2+2 tierset spec, or do we have to go from 4pc to 4pc?

pallid quiver
#

You jump from S1 4P to S1 3P and some random shit that's higher ilvl

#

our S1 tier was doo doo

ancient pasture
#

cool, ilvl it is

shut summit
potent anvil
pallid quiver
#

Sense only wants you to live up to your true potential

torn gulch
#

it's strange that we did not see any class tuning yet

small steeple
#

not really

pallid quiver
#

yeah, we need damage buffs

there could be a theoretical possibility that a BDK or something high rolls exterminate stacks and out damages us

torn gulch
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i mean rwf is done and we did not get the usual tuning that happens after first week of the season

small steeple
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would like to know your location

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not exagerating btw, in a big enough pull, blood beast really can explode for over 1b

pallid quiver
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bdk is so funny to me

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sometimes it just goes off

sharp gale
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My AoE damage as bdk is so random I don’t like it, I guess in higher keys it is less painful because shit lives longer so random has less effect

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I cry every time this mf spawn after everything dies

heavy sparrow
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Can we pin sim templates if you guys have any

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I was told 1min 30 sec, patchwork, and 5 bosses for mythic+s

lusty grotto
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no

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and yes

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no pins will be made

vocal flame
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so keeping tome in sword mode is the only thing we have to do pretty much right, feel like the damage on it isnt good but still learning

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81 mil seems pretty good

neon elk
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What was your uptime ?

pallid quiver
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The notable thing about tome is that it gives you a shit ton of crit on top of that

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so it's also buffing all of the rest of your damage, as well

vocal flame
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81% there are a few listed

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Inner is the swords so yeah 81%

vocal flame
round cliff
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how tf do i use execute in execute phase

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it feels like instant rage starve

heavy sparrow
sharp gale
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(I mostly use it to finish off remaining trashs or on bosses)

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It takes IPish position in my rotation idk if it makes sense to say like that

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Dump rage status

cerulean tusk
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Execute crits for 3.5 mill makes me happy gladge

buoyant sparrow
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Do we have a haste cap?

round cliff
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why is this vers/mastery ring summing so much higher than the haste/mastery one

vocal flame
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the tome with the flask is stupid lol

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fun tho

neon elk
lusty grotto
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brother

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wdym "so much"

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thats 7.2k lmaooooo

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its like what

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0.2%?