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claw guy is like the least impactful mini boss for you as a warrior lmfao
everything is blockable
the damage intake isn't bad
We are sweatlords cuz our asses sweat so much while we sit in our chairs 16hrs a day
i think it is mostly because of when you see on details IP first, you don't think straight that it eats the hps of leech and indomitable since it's an absorb
Dont talk to me unless you have the Mayhem Mind Melder ok
i need some advice. should i craft a shield
god damn, the real 0.1% right here
If you have access to myth shield drops, no. If you don't have access to +10 vaults or mythic raid, sure
If EU, wait for vault, see if you get one there. If NA, didnt get one from vault? Sure, craft. Shield is big stronk
I've not pet battled before or since mechagon in BFA
I mean you can? I watch my IP go from like 700k to 4.2m in 1 global all the time
ty and what about weapon
hi, asking about priority of flame, usually we kill a miniboss with the first boss. If is kill the mini boss first, will I get 5% from the miniboss ?

I give you this as a reward in your next vault
Same idea. Big ups if you dont have access to Mythic Rik Reverb or +10 vaults
is the move the myth tracked pants and keep farming for the pacemaker?
YESSSS THIS AND PLATING PLZZZZZ
yes
MUD FOR THE MUD GOD
im a new 80 so this is all i could do with work in the way
MUD FOR THE MUD GODS
Not me I’m a casual pet battler
you only collect Stoats
Theres enough sparks to craft both a wep and shield at 675
tier gloves prolly
Ya, I’m at zero pets
holy mother of stoat
or just tokens
is the 1h from mugzee worth the lack of secondary stats?
i have 626 gloves not tier though
not gilded in this toon
i would take tier (if it is one)
have u fucking seen these beasts hunt
holy shit man
is what i have
You can get a free enchanted runed crest from the campaign, use that to make a shield first
yep will do that
New Zealand spent $250k to kill one stoat
stoats are fucking insane man
Angry New Zealand Stoat vs North American Wild Boar
or else it would ravage a island by himself

Is sigil of algari concordance bait? It Sims so well for me
yes
Stoats are the new Honey Badger ? the chad of animals
Stoats are the goat
@slender bison yeah man that log really shows Dokigg doing so much damage
like yeesh how could I ever survive that as colo over thane?
bonk bonk bonk bonk bonk bonk bonk bonk
nah man you don't have enough IP bro!
IP deez nutzzzz
my healer had to do 166k hps to me during that mini boss
What about razdunk? It is the 2nd best simming trink of kujo, seaforium, sigil,
clearly taxing him too much
Is tome of light's devotion still really good if im only doing m+
there's literally one mob thats scary in any of these dungeons and it's the miniboss in priory
are these vault options?
Tome is actually better in raid
worst dungeon i guess for the uptime (cinderbrew, 60% and i'm not yet a pro on using it in m+)
Razdunk and myth seaforium are. I have champ seaforium, hero kujo and sigil. @undone beacon
So TLDR anything 3 targets or less tome is better. Up to 3.8% in pure 3m boss fight (for my character). Seaforium+House of Cards is anywhere from 1%-2% better everywhere else.
is that with the apl
yes
kk
Myth Seaforium is your best bet out of that lineup
My uptime is like 86% in keys
I am once again asking the council, should I swap from goblin to dracthyr for my prot
you know the answer
that's a you thing
hrnnng
optimally you should be a dwarf
Agreed but never gonna happen
Yeah even in cinderbrew my uptime is 85.6%
The day I main an alliance character is the day you take me out back and shoot me
if you want to goon, some flavor of elf or kul'tiran male
otherwise does it really matter?
The little dragon glide is more effective for movement than goblin rocket belt (and it doesnt disable leap), but I'm a goblin main ugh
Imagine giving a damn about factions
I'm a goblin main
This is a thing?
Lol
frankly I don't want to swim in puddles
okay okay TIL
this morning* i swimmed in floodgate water in the middle
ok this is pretty goated
If you care at all about mogs, Dragon can be hard to swallow
time is money friend
GTL Friend
can't you perma vistage if you aren't evoker
Yeah was just gonna say that
in combat, i thought you always reverted to dragon form
fireblood op
Nah
thats only for evoker
ahhh got it
when you cast dragon spells
EvoLOSER
yeeee DID FTW
Any idea how upgrading my tier chest from 652 to 658 could cause my sims to go down? Everything else is equal, I've been staring at it for 20 minutes trying to find out where I fucked up, I can't.
I even went and did a gear compare, comparing every upgrade stage between 652 and 658, with every stage up to 658 the sim has me losing dps. I don't get it.
Now it is a bit of a strange sim, so I'm guessing that it's probably a quirk of running shorter sims but I just have to ask what the hell is going on lol
who needs portals, I have a Mole Machine
how?
human is better
you know you can just not go dragon form yeah?
I loved dispelling myself of necrotic and other stuff
double hearthstone OP
cyrce's? priory trinket?
Gnome = 1% haste and smol
you are about 5 messages too late for that realization m8
Link sim
Yes Cyrce's but it doesn't affect my stats enough to have any shift there. No I'm not using Priory trinket
yeah link the sim
sim variance?
undead has nothing but its the best anyway 😛
Sim link starvers
I'm sure it has everything to do with the fact I'm simming 5 at 40 seconds but I just have to ask to be sure.
i can't say anything idk what gear compare is for
Hitting soft caps probably
that do be funny
Also yeah 40s is not 1 min or 1.5 mins
fair
0/2 dwarf racial
we all learn dw ^^
Just a casual atm so I have that kinda freedom
I had to brave up to ask here cuz I knew I was gonna get roasted
definitely a werid outcome for that sim to gain dps by dropping ilvl on the same item
Never ran into somethin like this before
Resim at 1 min or 1.5mins
we friendly roast
Could be hitting soft caps
The idea behind it is I'm trying to sim pull to pull in a M+ on avg
nothing todo with soft caps
idk how accurate dungeon slice is
yeah bc he gains just FREE stats on the sim why would it be lower x)
its not optimised around it, but its supported
sim variance
40s
Okay yeah I wasn't sure so I was like well the 32-48s window of a (5) 40 sounds like an avg M+ pull for me, so I just ran with it.
would mean that variance would be higher tbh
Which key is easiest to pug complete 8x +10s and time them too?
I ran like 8 sims too to try and like, see if I could get a new one +40k
But they're all lower
darkcleft
i doubt the coincidence that the 652 is top then 655 then bottom 658
is by far the most lenient on timer
like you can troll your way through the key and still +2 it
Yeah okay I just wanted to hear someone else say it hahaha
I mean math wise there's no other real explanation
thems pretty big whiskers
lazy answer : BUG
you don't lose damage by gaining more stats
20% to be exact!
If I am simming Tome, do I just add "actions+=/use_item,name=tome_of_lights_devotion,if=buff.inner_resilience.up" to the custom APL part in the sim options?
Hmm what are you supposed to do on 2nd to last boss? He drops purple circles or something idk I usually just ignore everything and hit boss but idk if tank should be doing something else for him
you need the whole apl
nah you need the whole APL
one sec
Since I was roasted about bolster (and I actually have been considering dropping it) where do you guys reccommend I put that talent?
On darkflame
kill purple with boss mechanics
id assume spell block
https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/thewarwithin/ActionPriorityLists/warrior_protection.simc
just paste it above use items line (in the custom raidbot box)
Yall know if the renown buff can be gained through killing lfr bosses? Looking for a quick way to cap before raidnight
why this when we might not be always at 80% or higher
80% is low balling it
but we are
or can it be on the base apl x)
not often that you're below 80%
maaaaan, crit/mastery rings are simming so well for me
it will prevent more questions
Thanks guys for sharing
the last key I did, a floodgate 10 I had 90% uptime on dawnthread
really?
if you play well, we are THE tank that stays 100% hp the longest
I have 89% uptime in a ToP 10 (and I was high as balls that run and wasted like 1k rage)
i dont wanna put it into base APL cuz not everyone will give a shit about playing around the trinket as need be
so the people who will put in the effort, can do it manually
On last boss TOP she bitch makes the suck and spawns adds and also hits me with her cleaver all at the same time.
I can survive 1x of the combo with all defensives but then when she does is the 2nd time it kills me. What to do?
people would give a false positive if they arent playing around the trinket
okok good reasoning, i understand i just wanted to understand why
only use 1 defensive!
For M+ Thane, move ravager to battering ram if 4p
Wowheads saying pacemaker is all specs. Should I just open as prot?
can you ping/pin if the APL changes so I can update the custom one though?
pacemaker doesnt drop as prot
good shout I didnt even think of that!
pretty sure it does nom
Weird wow head saying it did
like 99% sure it does
yeah but you fight with the mud god
if you are in prot loot spec doing floodgate
What if you gonna die if you only use 1x?
don't die then
im almost certain pacemaker drops as prot?
__ How to sim Tome of Lights Devotion__
If you want to sim Tome of Lights Devotion while min-maxing the trinket, use this APL and copy-paste it into the "custom APL" section at the bottom of raidbots.
i think thats how i got mine
then you fucked up
how the fuck do you die to her attack with SW up
i'm pretty sure you turned you char to kick something or whatever and got cleaved in the ass
yeah like it hurts without a defensive but like only drops you 40%
spell reflect first, spell block 2nd, spell reflect 3rd, sw 4, spell reflect 5, sw 6, spell reflect 7, spell block is likely up again and repeat
i don't like the weekly tyr/fort change, it doesn't help really learning players
so do 10s
I'll have to try it again. I think one of the problems was that I was only 70% going into suck and cleaver combo time
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People have been saying for years that fort/tyr are terrible. It got better now that both are applied, but still leaves expectations on how much damage mobs and bosses out of wack
bc like i did a 8 top with a new player, the cleave last boss of ToP does 10% of my health no cd(so the dude was amazed), in fort you don't learn boss before a 10 and in tyr you don't learn trashs before 10.
it used to be worse when only 1 was active an entire week
I thought it did
you had 10 more key lvl to grind before
ah nvm ye it does, but so does the dogshit tank trinket
true lol
more mud
yea you either have the 2h on the table or the mud trinket
so its whatever you want
until I bank a myth tome it's perma prot vaults for me
i gave the first boss myth tank trinket to a dps bc it is so ass
after getting myth throngus finger in 3 consecutive vaults prot loot is a never again
also fuck tome
I'll be fine with my 99 parses 😢
scrapfieeld 9001 or whatever? Thats a huge haste stat stick on prot warrior
first season i crafted wep+shield and never opened vault as prot (but i raided as fury)
the pit whistle is just for lubing up the homies
i gave it for free crest upgrade to someone
(bc i got the helmet / we had 2 plate this week)
a whole 1million damage on a 90 sec CD?
oh thats not a tank trinket, thats just a normal trinket
hot diggity dog
recently oiled 
nop
that's a tank trinket
no? What part of that is tank specific
you can't drop it as dps
Agro
like tome
its literally an on use damage proc?
t h r e a t
tome has an obvious tank reason. It has a whole mode that gives absorb shield
It has extra threat , which is tank thing
Threat is also an obvious reason
is a tank trinket
It does? I must have missed it
yes it is
IT WILL BE MINE
Yea its in tooltip
and dps can't drop it Badkad
I'm gonna get that thing, press it into a DS 10 stack demolish
I'm sorry co tank, you thought you had threat?
I am the threat.
That happens anyway with me in raid
Poor prot paladin/vdh co tank cry in pain as I take 3-4 tank bust stacks in a row
idk how much more dps you need to get threat issues
Hello,
I am picking up protection warrior as tank for the first time (Tanking for the first time ever!), I did a few timewalking dungeons as I am leveling my warrior from fresh to kind of get used to the rotation, granted this isn't probably the best way to learn tanking as people just blast past and don't really follow tank, I did have a few questions, I am level 30 right now granted I dont have all the abilities, however, I was wondering how to maintain threat, the idea behind it when pulling large number of mobs, I don't know how to round a lot of mobs together? Is the threat just generated as I attack the mobs?
i have 300k difference with co-tank and no weird things
damage = threat yes
tanks have threat modifiers so they generate threat multiplied by the damage they do
leveling dungeons are in like 0 way indicitive of how the game feels at max level
its just a cluster fuck
all of your offensive abilities generate threat, aoe threat is mostly Thunder clap and revenge
when your tanking if you do basically ANY amount of damage to a mob you will rarely lose threat
but its just janky in leveling dungeons
cauldron on normal
Got it, I was very confused doing these timewalking as I had no idea why I was losing some mobs. That clears up a lot. Warrior tanks seem quite fun though
normal vexie 
sprocketmonger I had 500k more dps than co-tank
Warrior will be the first and last tank you will ever play. zug zug
yeah that's basically what normal typically looks like
thats a sad group

kill time ? you killed it in first thing no x)
2min
I think so too. I tried playing Guardian Druid, nope apparently its the easiest tank too
Or maybe I just didn't enjoy it the same way i do Warrior
my guild can't do bikes even in mythic
i'm sad at my normal logs, i have 1 98 😦
took until first enrage to get the first dmg amp and each time it gets close to enrage again x)
If my casual aotc guild doesn’t kill normal vexxie in the first vulnerability phase is heroic looking fried for us
i do all the balls yes bc fun
in normal just lust pull every boss
I have had bad luck with getting trinkets. Tome at champ level is all I have seen so far. Gonna hope I can grind out a pacemaker this week
Guardian is brain dead stuff, war is far better plus we block physical attacks 🙂
bear and war play pretty similiarly tbh
oh look at Mr. Uses S2 trinkets over here
tbh they are more similar than the 2 prots
Bear is braindead, its great. I hit Ironfur, Thorns of Iron does a bunch of damage, I auto-moonfire everything, spam thrash and swipe, win
lmao my other trinket is a scrapfield, which isn't horrible but I had 619s before that
if I take any damage I hit frenzied regen and go back to spamming ironfur
just stay healthy and keep it on offense, stat stick ez
My 626 Shard is still simming better than every hero trinket I own, it's a terrible feeling
now can you change that with prot warrior words
oh you got our rotation wtf
Prot is braindead, its great. I hit ignore pain, revenge does a bunch of damage. I auto attack everything, spam shield slam and shield block, win
All they need to do is make it so hitting ignore pain does a pulse of aoe damage and its just bear
ofc the 2 rage tank are kinda similar

but no leap so L bear
Make a prot warrior build thats breath of sindragosa except defensive and uses rage ez class design
and no 2 charges of charge
3 if you cant shieldblock
and bear form so no mog so L
i mean felbear is kinda kewl
sonic boom?
but you cant even wear a hat
block physical attacks! we win
Felbear is cring all my homies use tree bear
bear can't be gnome so L
Give us Bulwark blizzard you cowards
5 energy
i thought bulwark made last stand give shield block 😛
Its from wow ascension you get literally every resource there lmao
Just swap energy for rage ez game
honestly private servers do classic + better than bliz, all their design ideas are too homogenous these days
How come none of my shouts offer bloodlust
they'll give it to paladins first
yeah but they have classic gameplay so it's doggo
One of the hero talent trees should've been called "Loud" and focused on shouting ez class design
i've gotta imagine there's some design rationale to tanks never having bloodlust, i just don't know what it is tbh
lvling is 100% fun
I literally go on ascension, do prestige trials, and never touch endgame lol
"warriors can't have real group utility, and rally has to suck now"
late shadowlands rally with conduit was pretty nice
it gets kind of insane for raid when it's good enough to be impactful in m+
it was pretty insane in raid at that point lol
I'm telling you, bring back banner and give prot warrs a group buff niche they can talent in to
like best healing cd almost :p
yeah, forces them to up the healing checks kinda hard
banner gameplay was just normal gameplay with a timer telling you how good you were doing it
i could keep it up til it was back off cd alot
and boy does it feel good to be told im doin a good job ;3
CONDEMN GOAT
condemn was so fun... for half a patch

didnt they kill it in s1? :p
oh fuck im gonna condemn
yeah, the .5 patch
I just want them to take Ravager out of the prot tree and do something more interesting with the space. Its such a boring generic talent
do you think one day they will do a reverse thane as fury and make use play with whirlwind x)
ew
uninstall
with the cleave mech of it
so 4 globals of cleave?, but like what you cleaving besides shield slam and execute
Aside from the gameplay implications, theres not cool flavor to it like thane has smh
i dont think itd work out :p
LIGHTNING GOD vs i swinga mah sword around hehe
could be wrong tho, never know til ya try
some fury have the same feeling with thane x)
i was kinda dooming on prot changes til later in beta cycle
imagine caring about fury warriors smh
the first list was pretty bad tbf
Pummel is dumb our interrupt should be another shout and it should be 40 yards cuz we're angry
i'm a brown named people after all Pasha
wait
but they stepped it back and gave huge compensation
it was horrendous, lol
and then we complained enough for them to give us enough to be op :p
where do you see this
dwarf works on creeper dot now?! 😄
dorki's stream
oh sick
if true that would be nice
is it a magic effect now?
ss cleave on thane would be
good.
thats awesome, i feel like that was the only threatening pack in there for tanks
lmao dorki just pulling 5 creepers at once now
i was so sad when i went to dwarf debuff first time and it didnt work :p
not sure if this is gonna get automodded
cool it didn't
its not in the hotfix notes, weird
That’s huge actually
ok so now i guess the game is figuring out how to skip even more of the early trash andjust doing a mega creeper pull for fun at the end
prolly just skip the trash before candle king
the mini bosses? are they skippable?
yeah
i know in priory blizzard decided to hard link half the room to the final boss, and also link the patrol to the miniboss if you try to pull miniboss first
guess i kinda expected they'd do the same here
and just aggro them if you pull the boss
you can do the patrol with the middle dude
your healer will cry i think if you do
where you seeing that?
Wowhead post
my group tried to make a route where we death/shroud skipped the entire cathedral and then backpulled from the boss to do your 16 -> 15 -> another pull, but it turns out if you pull 15, it pulls the patrol as well
and darkflame timer got reduced
oooo ok i was looking at the notes only
insane that that's the only priory change
like okay, yes the timer needed help
but the outgoing random target damage on every pack in that dungeon compared to any other key this season is like 30-40% higher
is not much but is honest work
divine toll goes DONG
sacred toll, impale, disrupting shout, thunderclap, shoot...
whatever the lightspawn channel is named
timer changes are usually retroactive right? so if i had a priory out of time by less than 1:30 i should get score when i log in?
i do melee dudes with him so i wouldn't know what was the insane damage
if you try to do him with a knight and the thunderclap/disrupting line up just right you can global your whole team
very cool
sure, but it makes the first pull kind of a waste if you dont do the miniboss with it
if you don't do miniboss in first pull you are adding an additional pull downstairs since you have to do at least 2 (first miniboss and 2nd miniboss) before going upstairs
that's why i do him with 3 dudes at the bottom that just do melees
Why are you doing two mini bosses before going upstairs
3 or 4 footman
Just do the one and skip the one that runs down
do you fight double mini with the first boss in that case?
wdym
they're almost 6% each and she's pretty easy it seems bad not to kill her
I fight the priest and the guy that runs to where the priest died
And I fight the fat dude downstairs but skip the one that runs to his corpse
wait if you skip the one that comes running she just chills there forever?
Yep
i assumed she'd just come back to the boss like court of stars
weird
finding 6% extra count in there also seems hard though, are you pulling the entire cathedral at the end? almost every pull worth more than 2-3% in this dungeon has some combo of paladin/lightspawn, 2xpaladin, sharpshooter/knight or 4+ casters at once
I pull all of the cathedral except the two packs close together on the front left side of the room
After boss 2
that's what i do
Damn that coridor creeper nerf realy makes me happy ngl
all my homies hate corridor creeper
think we ended up doing this after bricking the 13 to knight + miniboss at the start
lots of dragging minibosses around to pick up more small mobs as the first ones died
corridor creeper nerf is welcome but it's also the only part of the dungeon that was scary lol
i didn't know first boss lose his stacks just when the other leaves
watching the 3rd boss's cast go off after you've done your kick is kinda scary
lol
all my homies love berserker rage
yeah it's not the being feared part, it's the giga wax statues part
healer problem 🙂
someone just tags the 4 footmen up top when the patrol isnt there
i thought it was the sniper packs
then u fight her with the other footmen and the 2 casters down by the stairs
yeye makes more sense
i thought you were tagging the snipers from the left stairs
oh lol
Pull three looks like you’re going for a hike
Little casual marathon inside the dungeon
nah the healer just goes and hits the 4 up top
the others are next to each other
but also i dont think its a great pull its just
there's nothing else to pull there
everything else is sharpshooters, casters, knights...
could probably grab the other 3 pack right there of 2 casters
but, my group sucks at kicks and stops
I should craft myself a 675 shield right? I'm not going to get a mythic track shield any time soon...
But instead of crafting some new route I just grind out failed keys until they learn
the actual casual marathon in the dungeon is pull 6 though i think we found out you dont have to get that sharpshooter and can just take mini + footmen straight to the caster pack
yep
learning is hard i'd rather try and make the route as idiot-proof as possible so i can keep my brain focused on mashing revenge as hard as possible
is col ok for low keys like 2+
it's good for anything
Any recommendations for crafting? We are progging mythic rik reverb at the moment
shield if you're a gambling man, cape otherwise?
this any good for prot?
nope
A decent cape drops of vexie, and just got titan of industry today
but u want your emblishments on the low stat budget pieces
heroic gally shield is not worth it over crafted
dude hes doing rik if hes not got 10s in vault then i dunno but he has so many chances at a myth shield
not worth the craft
Im also doing 8 + 10s per week
which is why I also suggested cape
So is it just crit/haste cloak craft then?
sim the stats, but I'd be surprised if it didn't come up crit/haste
Cloak craft it is, definitely highest ilvl upgrade as well as a low stat budget
yeah its a perma lock in
I'm confused. I equip an upgrade (a boring one, cloak), my armor increases... but it says the physical damage reduction of my total armor has gone down. Very, very slightly, but still.
garbage
also does anyone have a weak aura to show all the dots that actually hurt
thank you lawd
i have a general you can use dwarf racial weak aura but some of them are kind dumb to waste on
and wanna see stacks and shit of the actual hard hitting ones
this is beautiful
fuck those creepers
Ive crafted the 675 Shield - best going Fury for vaults or stick with prot for 1H and PSF trinket?
it seems like most of the good trinkets for us can also drop in prot this tier
so i dont think theres a big reason to switch to arms/fury
To forgo the pain of a shield being in the vault after crafting, I get it
that's still a W though
myth shield > craft shield
all you lost was a spark
no crests
cool cheers
Unless you went 675, then going ->678 versus a giga upgrade for another slot
ye just cuz you have myth shield as an option you dont have to take it
just like deciding between two good items
dunno why people act like shield is a holy relic
shield is best defensive slot, but other item slots are still good
it's a pretty tiny optimization either way, increases your chances of getting what you want by a fraction of a percent MAYBE
gonna dinar gally shield at some point anyways
it's not like the tiers where speccing dps opens up busted trinkets prot can't loot
if you open in arms your brain's just gonna be mad about the 2hers instead
yup
Facts
You can run all the numbers, but in the end can still get a shitty mythic cloak as the only viable option like myself
And such is life
hey you knock it but I saw one myth cloak all season last season
and it was my first vault
on the upside, cloak's low itemization means bad stats hurt less
I’m all for it, it’s RNG
and prot doesn't really have any bad stats
True, it’s a set and forget
it's all gravy

these dungeon nerfs bro
it is like they are using a different measuring stick than last season
...
I'm not complaining! It is just funny
Guys can i still be in the club if its not mythic?
Do I have the right sim settings, 1st real season for me. Last season I started halfway
haha ty
I followed the note that Nom put and copy and pasted the thing but it still sims weird
taking it anyway
Would a max crafted shield be better than the gallywix hero shield? I assume so, but im not sure how impactful the proc is. I don't raid mythic, so I won't be getting a myth gally shield
yes
is there a weak aura for taunt swapping in LoU - DBM seems off
which one do you guys think? I only have a 2 set so far and don't do raid. Is tome really super good?
get 4 set first you can farm hero tome
you get a cata charge this week so you could be 4 set if you stake the shoulders
okay thanks guys
Do you guys approach Cinderbrew first pull by going to the right side first then to the left
and Chewy with the boss
trying to make it a quicker loop than that for the first part and i just want to see if you guys have any other altnernatives
well now i would probablu pull all rigth side and chewy?
maybe
hard to say with the nerfs
they didnt nerf chewies tenderize ability. That was what was rly stopping you from pulling him with the big trash pull.
it by it self half healths the dps and kills them if there targeted by anythign else at the same time
yes
you pull right first
can pull a couple from left if you feel like it
how is it "simming weird" this looks like an aoe sim
that looks like expected behavior for tome in aoe
Guys is there a reflect list sheet for the current season?
Is Eye of Kezan also a good pick for m+?
ah ok i saw the minus for everythign and was like huh
Not realy unless u heavily play around it
Eye loses a ton of value in M+
Noobish question here, if I craft a two hand weapon for my Arms spec at 675, can I then upgrade my prot one hander (up that that ilevel) using only flight stones?
only if you don't keep the stacks
it's just like any other trinket that we've had that has a reliance on staying in combat, just chain pull
RIP healers mana
what healers do you run with?
most of mine don't have to drink that often
and if they do I make sure they start drinking and then go grab something
With the amount of RP in this season, you're gonna be losing a lot if not all of your stacks even with aggressive pulling
In only 2 dungeons
ToP and mechagon
Any other minor inconveniences can be fixed through toys
Myth track tier shoulders that rolled leech, not too bad for a vault
myth tier chest or myth signet of priory? i'm kinda stuck.
I mean, if you want to try and game the trinket and drop toys to stay in combat or bring a dk to control/uncontrol mobs or whatever thats fair, but for the average player coming to this discord for advice the Eye is losing a lot of value
At that point just take a pacemaker and enjoy the dungeon haha
I didn't say it was good for the "average player"
I just stated that the blanket judgement of "it loses value in M+" isn't accurate
follows kind of the same rules as signet/anvil
so this shouldn't exactly be new to any regulars here
either way there are other competitive options like house of cards and pacemaker
is always and will always be pinned, and still updated
Well is always and will be pinned but it won't open
thats an issue on your end
works for me
Ah okay thanks
will check the issue from my end
but thats the sheet
Does killing Gally heroic and 2k both give tier transformation tokens?
works for me as well
heroic rick weapon in my vault
orrrr heroic helm w/ indestructable
i gotta take weapon cuz its a weapon right
w/ good stats
No
your net is blocking tinyurl
probably for security reasons or if youre in a corporate environment
nimchip decide my vault pick
grab tokens
true
It can be a browser based policy as well
Depending on what you have and can get, tokens may technically be best in a serious note
hero rick wep
If you guys are planning on oushing M raid and 10s soon, you might as well get socket
planning to get myth track ever?
His guild was trying to push M in DF iirc, but took on the roster boss
Hence why I loosely asked
get helm for catalyst if you dont have a heroic track
gamerskill-wise? its up in the air
theres also hero bracers in here
they'd be replacing s1 619 bracers
but
bracers r kinda unimportant
If you're willing to craft wep, I'd take helm in that case
Could also wait until raid to see if you get drops, but
I'm fairly positive helm is late in raid, isn't it?
I haven't actually stepped foot in raid or deeply looked at loot tables yet, so
helm is one armed bandit
helm and shoulders are usually the last 2 peices
Yeah, I was thinking it came from last boss
I'd just grab helm ow and craft wepnif you have gilded crests for it
Yep
It's 60 per gilded craft
Shield is better for survival, so technically it's better,
its not like im taking dmg im a prot warrior
But for the content you're doing, it shouldn't be too dangerous
yea whats your crest cap looking like
So wepnwould be more damage
if you havent used alot you can craft wep and shield rn
66/270 i could easily grind out 7s this week
yea those are the biggest two upgrade
but if i craft wep then i wont get the weapon appearance............
w/e its blue i dont like blue
You'll get the crafted wep appearance 🙂
what abt my bracers tho?
619 and if im crafting wep/shield then im not crafting them
i mean
does any dungeon even drop haste/crit bracers
its bracers its not very important
you can craft some 629 ones for free if you want
can u? damn
i think brewery has crit haste ones
sure does
Whats the best spec to open vault with? I already have a 675 shield so I was thinking fury for a chance to 1h weapon and dps trinket
There's a non-zero amount if good damage trinkets that only fall under Prot.loot spec this season
So that's worth consideration
Tome being a good example
actually off the top of my head, I recall Jakey saying that every decent trinket for Prot actually can drop under Prot lootspec
Alright! Thanks 🙂
what embellish do i want on sword/shield
im not a broke boy i gotta put smth on it
Well, meh vault
What good changes to DFC
whatever sims highest then
good lord
embelishments are turbo trash this season, they shouldn't be a consideration
Could be worse indeed
wow running with bomb suit this week and man talk about boost of confidence on huge pulls with pain supp follow up from priest
loving that trinket
Ur turbo trash 😠
yeah its insane
bombsuit full pull of room 1 in cinderbrew
what could go wrong
good luck dps
dont die
LOL
back hits
yeah and dps dying
true
0 run time
u can convert these special on use helms to tier right
maybe it was a socket play then
got helm anyways cuz i think dps are gonna be prio'd for mythic 2pc
so ill prob not be getting it for a hot sec
is there anyone on a52 who can craft my sword/bracers?
did the avatar spell id change? my weak aura broke
yeah basically you want get the more dps RIGHT NOW, but have to look what drops in reclears / first bosses and how many plates you got etc
i know the ppl in charge of loot ive already schmoozed them enough to get full hero tier before some dps
im getting 0 luck on the mythic stuff xd
we are 3 plates, 2 got the helmet on the first already x)
Is it just easier to have block uptime this season? Last season 75% of melees was a struggle, but it feels like 85% blocked this season doesn't even take thought
more haste= more uptime + tier set gives uptime this season
you had 100% block last season with HR now you have 100% easy block with ITF
*if u have enough haste
i have 23% haste so i still need to take HR i think
whats the cutoff
18k still i think
i have 11k looooooooooooool
less with tier
Don’t know what it is with
@strong forum how much haste for into the fray with the 4 pc?
How does the 4pc influence picking up Into the fray?
closer to 2
Does SB still cap out the same?
well yeah
@strong forum what embellish did u say u put on wep/shield?
elemental focusing lens?
Just take the shield one - become tanky tank tank
ok fine ill sim
tank...
just remember to remove that embelish when you go and up your bracers! 🙂
I volunteer someone else to sim for me
venmo me 5 dollars
I’ll copy the sims output and send it to you in a dm
And then your payment is the cozy feeling of making me happy
time is money friend!
I just have dawnthread on my 675 bracers and shield
I offer you exposure instead of money
Once it gets out you’re simming for people you’ll swim in Venmo payments
Every budding artist loves exposure instead of proper payment
Is there ever a reason to not take overwhelming rage?
Increasing Max rage by 30 seems like a no brainer?
y
Because if you’re gonna use two embellishes you’re gonna want 2x dawnthread or whatever
can someone tell me what the 2nd piece of crafted gear we should go for outside of bracers
Weapon or shield
What do you have access to
I went with 675 shield since I have hero track weapon
ok cool
And more block value = more shield slam damage
it might be still worth doing dogshit season 1 bracers with writhing
nome just said dawn/dusk sim better
I've been having 0 luck when it comes to weapon drop, literally using vet and champ 1h and shield. At this point I will just craft each of them glided, is there any good Embelishment to use on weapons?
yeah but if he has a wep i would guess ascension+writhing will be better until he gets a 678 wep ^^
i might be wrong tho so i don't exclude that
people cant scroll 5 lines up
i think i should just not embellish the wep
i am proud that i came to this conclusion on my own
and that nobody told me this from the start
im proud of you
ill safe the embellish for duskthread bracers/belt when i craft em
i got the hero track shield from rook but i also got the crafted 658 shield, what should i use?
i just don't understand what crafts you have rn x)
oh i thought you already had the wep
that's why i was wondering why would you not throw an embellish on it while you wait to craft something else i'm really sorry i misunderstood
^
oof - i just ran +2 operation floodgate and got destroyed by swampface.
i made sure to have shield block up for every sludge claws and i popped shield wall for rushing tides. Even then, I couldn't heal up enough. Is there a better way to plan defensives?
hahah idk, panic? my team kept wiping during that so i was trying to stay alive
look at the sheet
okok ty
Yeah, it functions perfectly fine
It does less damage for a non-definitive amount more tankiness
that means just wall it
do u have the build for mountain thane keys
Notably, your DPS broke 2M
Same as last season, but swap Imp Wall to DA instead. Builds are also on Wowhead and Icyveins, as well

thank u
which is more expendable, indom or violent outburst?
Currently, indom
Before, neither was really expendable unless you were explicitly parse farming
Now, with rage changes and the indom nerf from the start of TWW, it's not really doing that much
VO is a literal keystone of Prot War at this point
if you want to play with outburst, you might want to just not play prot war
it's really good
With 4pc do we drop Indom for battering ram in m+ as well?
ravager
That’s what I’m saying, seems like Ravager provides more cleave and if indom is kinda shit anyway why even bother
I dropped indom for ram
Didnt feel a difference in tankiness. Although still farming 10-11s for gear/vault.

That's it, you scoundrel
Can we trade this dude out for Jakey
When jakey is here I'm not receiving ageism remarks
ik i said this alot of times and im sorry for that, but im trying to figure out what shield to have crafted 658 or shield from rook hero track
They are or can be same ilvl, so its a sim angle
Bruh
If you didn't get shield when you wanna push get any you can craft that you can do
Vault wasn't nice to me this week. Choices were a ring, a cloak, or a terrible trinket. ;~;
Not bad exactly, just very boring.
anyone know if i can loot mechano core amplifier in prot spec
Yes
ty
Is PWar a 2+2 tierset spec, or do we have to go from 4pc to 4pc?
You jump from S1 4P to S1 3P and some random shit that's higher ilvl
our S1 tier was doo doo
no
read above
cool, ilvl it is
gota get 4mil to truly make the dps cry

Sense only wants you to live up to your true potential
it's strange that we did not see any class tuning yet
not really
yeah, we need damage buffs
there could be a theoretical possibility that a BDK or something high rolls exterminate stacks and out damages us
i mean rwf is done and we did not get the usual tuning that happens after first week of the season
The perfect blood beast proc that explodes for over 1b damage
would like to know your location
not exagerating btw, in a big enough pull, blood beast really can explode for over 1b
My AoE damage as bdk is so random I don’t like it, I guess in higher keys it is less painful because shit lives longer so random has less effect
I cry every time this mf spawn after everything dies
Can we pin sim templates if you guys have any
I was told 1min 30 sec, patchwork, and 5 bosses for mythic+s
so keeping tome in sword mode is the only thing we have to do pretty much right, feel like the damage on it isnt good but still learning
81 mil seems pretty good
What was your uptime ?
The notable thing about tome is that it gives you a shit ton of crit on top of that
so it's also buffing all of the rest of your damage, as well
yeah thats true so its not that measurable by the trinket itself
Thanks chip
You press it to execute something
(I mostly use it to finish off remaining trashs or on bosses)
It takes IPish position in my rotation idk if it makes sense to say like that
Dump rage status
Execute crits for 3.5 mill makes me happy 
Do we have a haste cap?
why is this vers/mastery ring summing so much higher than the haste/mastery one
Because u probably have so little vers and mastery that their value is way higher than haste
what haste mastery one
brother
wdym "so much"
thats 7.2k lmaooooo
its like what
0.2%?
i have so little haste too!




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