protection

[jagged pier]

sim it

[bronze pasture]

I was hoping there was one of those charts that shows bonuses for various specs

[vital vale]

do you guys also have the issue that if you press shield charge immedietly after charge (before you reach the enemies) then the damage and stun of shield charge will not connect?

it has to be shield charge before regular charge

but then you dont get the rage from regular charge i think

so you gotta charge first and shield charge when youre in melee range

[dense remnant]

i was not expecting "heal taken" to be a flag, but ok can be sure it'll be proccing if not tanking

[dense remnant]

ye, this is known feature/bug of the two charges

[lament stone]

Hey! Does anyone know if there's an up to date weak aura for reflect/spell block available?

[dense remnant]

pretty sure you can google "weakaura spell reflect" and it'll come up

[lament stone]

the one's i've seen on wago are out of date

[dense remnant]

can you link me one you see

[lament stone]

found this one actually look like it might be useful: https://wago.io/TsFNFG1H7

[dense remnant]

https://wago.io/pjl-p3su9

thats the first one that comes up for me when i google or search on wago for "spell reflect"

[lament stone]

yeah if you read the comments they are saying it's not working

[dense remnant]

working fine for me

prolly a little buggy, but the main things are okay

[lament stone]

Ah ok, i'll give it a try then, thanks

[left meteor]

Shield charge is very buggy with terrain too

Sometimes it goes on CD but does absolutely nothing

[vital vale]

only seems to happen to me if i use it when my character is in the middle of forced movement like charge or something

if i get knocked back from a boss and i use it, it never fails tho

[tall lance]

Priory tome trinket still competitive for prot ?

[sudden lynx]

Anyone else have this problem with demolish where if a mob goes out of range the channel gets interrupted?

I noticed it yesterday on Rookery first boss and on really all mobs that leap to players further away

Didn't seem like the full damage went through either, the cast just stopped and went on CD

[jagged pier]

thats how it works

[jagged pier]

yes

[lilac minnow]

Anyone else having a problem where demolish doesn’t work against 90%(or closer to 50%) of forced movement effects in dungeons?

[remote anchor]

the only one i actually use it for is top meathooks

[bronze pasture]

can you have aggro based nameplate colors with default blizzard nameplates?

[round pendant]

Yeah that's just how it be, gotta be careful not to use it on mobs that are about to fuck off to narnia

[ionic nimbus]

Did I miss a change for it?

[harsh garden]

is it worth holding demolish for like 5secs to line it up with demo shout? Talking from a purely for dps standpoint

[strong fox]

For the first pull in PSF (double knights) is anyone having issues? I tanked a 10 for our guild last night, and that pull farmed us. Our healer said the double knights were what was killing us, but literally every route shows double knights being the move

[bronze pasture]

was everyone dying or just you? :p

[karmic plinth]

normally optimal to not hold

[jagged pier]

cant tell without logs

but never had an issue myself

[bronze pasture]

those ranged mobs can do a lot of dmg

[strong fox]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ztPrj7DdaXv3914L?fight=14&type=summary

[jagged pier]

i mean healer died to shoot to start with

so u then behind when shouts come out

[bronze pasture]

probably worth forcusing down ranged mobs asap and stun them to reduce the incoming dmg from shots 🙂

also, this was the ret paladin taking damage from melee, i guess after tank was dead

[strong fox]

That is kind of what I figured, thank you for confirming. We usually have a blood dk tanking, so mob management is something I need to work on for sure

[jagged pier]

i mean

if u have shooters u ither los or ppl stack

because they jump onto ppl

[strong fox]

Is there a good LOS spot in that courtyard?

[strong fox]

Thank you for the quick feedback!

[neon elk]

How do u pull 7 without pulling those 2 lightspawns

[jagged pier]

u dont go into the pit

[sharp gale]

You just go around left

[jagged pier]

u just run round it

[neon elk]

Now i feel kinda stupid that i never tried to go around , ty bois

[sharp gale]

My healer friend told me he hated that I took an entire room of casters with those boys so I don’t now

[neon elk]

Also do u play pull1 in mid ? Ive seen some pugs ping to hide at like first pack stairs and pull it all there but it was after i leaped into middle , is that any good idea ? Dont feel like grouping there is an issue

[toxic gyro]

Since its a guild group
I assume you’re in discord, call defensives before knights do distributing shout, can also shockwave as it goes out to stop shoots for a few sec to reduce chance of someone getting combo’ed. Call other aoe stops to stop shield block ability the footmans do. Also bloodlust that pull and make sure range players and healer stay close so sharpshooters don’t jump to Africa.

[strong fox]

Thank you. I will keep this in mind. There are a ton of spots this tier where the dps should/need to stack

and I can call defensives there, for sure

[neon elk]

Apart from like few specific spots , it is/was always best when group stacked , if nothing else it makes healers life easier

[surreal lodge]

gearing up a fresh warrior rn. just curious. i read the sticky. are you guys opening ur great vault

prot loot spec or fury?

[vivid pecan]

Hi, i am still using my S1 4p . Should i change it partially for S2 2p or wait for the S2 4p ?

[neon elk]

P2 of current is way better than p4 of old, but simable

[solid sun]

If you CC the sharpshooters in priory they jump after the CC

Little storm bolt into a jump. Seen the freeze trap and then a weapon throw to bring one in also

[little ermine]

depends on what you got already, if you still need a high ilvl shield or tome of light's devotion, you stay on prot lootspec

[surreal lodge]

i have nothing lol

im like ilvl 626

thank you will loot vault in prot spec

[little ermine]

stay on prot loot spec then

[round pendant]

Meh I disagree

If you've not done 10s and are only getting hero track in vault

I'd open as fury and craft a shield

Tome is just farmable

[mortal spruce]

Hey guys, just a quick question
I'm just coming back to the game after a few months and I'm catching up on everything
I plan on pushing M+ and I started playing Mountain Thane as I remembered it being the go to choice in S1, but as I'm starting to read some guides here and there, Colossus looks like to best choice for M+

So I was just wondering, how better is it exactly ? I might be super wrong but it does not looks especially way funnier than Thane so I just would like to know the clear differences so I can start pushing a bit

[jagged pier]

it doesnt matter they oth about equal if u prefer thane keep playing it it wont stop u pushing

[ionic nimbus]

MT is still fine

Colossus is just more dps

[mortal spruce]

Ok got it yeah it's not like a 80/20 no brainer choice, that's good to know ❤️

[ionic nimbus]

And, in my opinion, it’s more fun

[mortal spruce]

Oh rly ? I might try it out then
So from what I understood Colossus was just a bit harder to play because of less rage generation right ? Or did I got it wrong

[ionic nimbus]

Yeah you have to adapt a bit

And snap aggro at the beginning is better with MT

Avatar into Thunderblast helps a lot

[mortal spruce]

Okay I see 🙏

Any way you could send me or direct me to a good Colossus tree ? They are all differents online haha 😭

[frozen berry]

What are people opening vault as? prot or fury?

[jagged pier]

prot

[ionic nimbus]

Prot for shield and gally trinket

[pallid quiver]

Generally, you open as prot until you have everything you need/want from Prot

so Myth track shield, if you want any trinkets like Tome, etc

[jagged pier]

i mean every trinket u want drops for prot spec this season

[pallid quiver]

If you have a Myth track shield, and are good on trinks that drop for Prot only/can drop for prot, but not 1H, Fury, otherwise Arms

my logic is evergreen though, jakey

[ionic nimbus]

Dps speccs giving a 2h would get me mad

[frosty mango]

I have a crafted shield and a myth weap, and a myth Seaforium so obviously I will open my vault today and it will be filled with those things

[pallid quiver]

that's why i still haven't crafted shit

[frosty mango]

I don’t really get this mentality over the long term

We get a vault every week so the same problem will always exist just shifted right 7 days

[pallid quiver]

Actually, the long term is to wait on craft, because you then bulk craft whatever you haven't gotten from vault

As long as you can clear whatever content you're doing, there's no need to craft

I don't M raid prog, and I can clear +10s already

so, like

why craft yet

[frosty mango]

I guess that’s also a valid perspective

[pallid quiver]

I can peek through anywhere from like first two to five vaults, see if I get a shield/wep, if yes, I can craft embel slots/low ilvl, if no, I can craft those

[frosty mango]

But if your argument is “I don’t need to craft to clear” then my response is “why craft at all”

It’s an interesting polarity though, I can see how both viewpoints have some validity

[solid sun]

I crafted a shield because I suck so having that feels like it helps me not die so easily

And even if that ended up not being true it feels extra comfy cozy

[winged pawn]

i don't craft cuz i don't have the gold

[unborn island]

This is the right idea, you can clear 10s at probably 630 or something, but who isn't going to choose to do it at 675 instead and only hit DPS buttons

I say this as someone who is dithering over what to craft, and will decide when I open my vault tomorrow to 2 tank trinkets and a Vers/mastery ring

[solid sun]

What’s even the ideal trinket combo

Tome and pacemaker?

[unborn island]

I'm running tome and pacemaker

[frosty mango]

Seaforium/tome of lights devo is kinda the go to

[unborn island]

I like it, both are heroic

[frosty mango]

I’m unimpressed by tome

Seems to not really do much damage even if I’m keeping it in sword mode

[solid sun]

I just got my hero track pacemaker last night. Scored a hero track tome earlier

https://tenor.com/view/shania-twain-so-what-that-dont-impress-me-sassy-gif-12496716

[frosty mango]

I’d honestly take a better defensive option over tome for higher keys at this point

[unborn island]

Is there one from m+, or do you need to raid?

[frosty mango]

Only really raid atm

[solid sun]

What are you considering high keys

[frosty mango]

12-14 atm

Pre 12 I think if your group is decent you could wear a stick and a loincloth and be ok

[solid sun]

Yeah okay dude

Whatever

No one asked you

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/nodding-gif-5732036789698280672

[solid sun]

Revisionist history

[frosty mango]

Fair

Imo I’ll prob swap tome with house of cards

It’s 90s, mastery has good defensive and offensive value

[unborn island]

I've tried a couple of 12s (both split up due to dps issues) but they felt fine, and I'm in 651 at the moment

[harsh trellis]

I haaate on use trinkets....

[unborn island]

Macro to avatar, forget

If it's a damage one, anyway

[harsh trellis]

Dont you want the full 49 verses on the tome though?

its like hey this is fun watching this turn pages

[tacit falcon]

Any tips on d-stance usage beyond the wowhead page? I feel like I just forget about it's existence.

[unborn island]

Oh that, yeah need to get the WA and it's a bit annoying

[frosty mango]

Yes don’t turn it off

Really no point to not run it now as a tank

[karmic plinth]

you can swap to b stance for stuff like damage amp phases

[tacit falcon]

fair enough, like I know it exists, and it's bound/etc but the way it's framed in the guides is to use it almost like it's own defensive.

[unborn island]

For DPS that's true

[harsh trellis]

I mean you can use battle stance for trash packs you know youre not going to fall over

[frosty mango]

Uh, as fury and arms yes that is absolutely true

[unborn island]

As a tank...just sit in def

[tacit falcon]

oooooh okay

so I'm just cooked

[harsh trellis]

I like to stay in defensive stance in pugs where the healer may be 50/50

[karmic plinth]

its very minmaxy to use bstance

[tacit falcon]

is what ya'll are telling me.

[unborn island]

I mean if you're using bstance and not dying, who cares? 😛

[frosty mango]

For tanks the gain in battle is so minimal I don’t ever change to it unless it’s raid and I’m trying to be a scumbag parsebro

[tacit falcon]

appreciate it, I mentally got caught up on that for whatever reason.

[frosty mango]

As a healer main I promise your healer cares

I’ve healed some suspect warriors this tier lol

[unborn island]

Fair 🙂

[tacit falcon]

I probably should have used logic there a bit more lol. Otherwise warrior kinda of fun this season

Rage is a bit goofy but we’re getting there

(From previous seasons)

[frosty mango]

Blizz is really bad about conveying rage choice as you move up the ladder. You would think it would be easy to say “oh I’m obviously getting hit way harder, maybe I should use ignore pain over revenge” but no - some warriors think ignore pain is option and are pure zugbrain

Revenge go boom healers adjust

[knotty stump]

How do you guys deal with the creepers in DFC? Especially in the mine cart area

[frosty mango]

Move them away from corpses to make sure they don’t get stacks, leap away and spell reflect to reset your stacks

[tacit falcon]

Okay so this worked on my DH - fucking flare if you have a hunter in vc

[frosty mango]

If you pull two of them, clench your butthole and hope your dps aren’t bad

[knotty stump]

But leap away to a candle, right?

[tacit falcon]

I have our flare outside the cart radius - I kill little adds there, drag creeper to the other side of the cart

[knotty stump]

and thanks about the spell relfect tip

[frosty mango]

Alternatively you can use a pet taunt or a bubble taunt to get your stacks reset

[tacit falcon]

Fun fact too in the last room those “sleepers” give % but DONT do the dot

[unborn island]

I'm guessing spear doesn't work on them?

[frosty mango]

Also reset early, like 5 stacks, because if you scuff it up trying to reset at 10 now reflect is on cooldown and you’ve got 20 stacks and you’re gonna die

[tacit falcon]

would spell block help that at all?

[unborn island]

Never tried it as I've been playing roar

[frosty mango]

It’s a dot so I don’t think spellblock helps

[tacit falcon]

gotcha, thought it might help the application

less the dot

but i realize now

that it prob wont thinking through that button LOL

[knotty stump]

Thanks, I think that's my main issue is waiting too long to reset.

[frosty mango]

Warn your healer ahead of time, you’ve got externals here too

Nothing else going down there that requires them. I usually send both pain suppresses and barrier on the tank for creepers

[lusty grotto]

Pretty sure causese's WA puts a big tank debuff icon which you can use to track its timer/stacks

It helps a lot

As a tank you gotta manage it, no amount of externals will help with an absurd amount of stacks

[solid sun]

Sure would be a lot more manageable if even one cc worked

[lusty grotto]

100%

Dogshit design by blizz tbh

[thin marten]

any noticeable difference what so ever between the armor or stamina leg enchant? I have absolutely no concept of how much armor does in modern wow

[sharp gale]

You can leap on a candle and charge back when no more debuffs

[long bronze]

we play armor enchant because we get strength from it

[molten oar]

You can spell reflect the debuff and it will allow you to drop stacks. This only works with one creeper. The other option is to range to drop.

[thin marten]

was looking at top 20 rio protwars and it was pretty perfectly split 50/50 between stam and armor

[sharp gale]

Bc they don’t know it give strength

[solid sun]

Is there a good way to reliably bait the hopping electroballs on the last boss of floodgate? Or just go next to a pool and kite as needed

[sharp gale]

For last boss I just play safe, I stay where he is at the start, I’m getting bumped tank bustered to the wall and when spark I leap on the other side

And get bumped into the wall where you enter to room

[unborn island]

Lies, it's carefully designed to specifically bone non DK/DH/Paladin tanjs

[sharp gale]

laugh with 30 stacks as bdk

[versed snow]

And bone it does, what a horrible room, especially the pack with 2 of them

[frosty mango]

It’s shit design but on the list of “fuck that dungeon” it’s pretty low imo

Once you understand how it works it’s pretty easy to play around it

[versed snow]

Yeah, the leap into the candle and spell reflect is something I am taking from this debrief session

That should work

[toxic pewter]

we talking about the creepers in cleft?

[versed snow]

The dungeon is otherwise solid, pretty fun all around

[sharp gale]

Leaping on a candle = you can health pot and get healed

[frosty mango]

Dungeon pool as a tank this season isn’t bad. Healer pain season imo

[toxic pewter]

best dungeon pool of any season in a long time

since shadowlands for me

[sharp gale]

The only dungeon I dislike (not really dislike tbh) is priory

[frosty mango]

The amount of “send two or more magic dots that the healer can only dispel one and has to heal the others” this season is egregious

It’s every dungeon

[toxic pewter]

wow really priory one of my favorites

[oak ivy]

I don't dislike any particular dungeon but there are pulls/bosses that make me wanna kms

[sharp gale]

My favorite are cinderbrew (you know why) and floodgate

[frosty mango]

Also a lot of spam casters and leaping mobs this season

[toxic pewter]

floodgate is actually a fun dungeon

[frosty mango]

I love open dungeons like floodgate, a lot of flexibility in route and Strat

[sharp gale]

Just the trash spawning chainsaws are kinda bad

[frosty mango]

I mean

Just move?

[sharp gale]

And wtf is Bubbles

[frosty mango]

Also just move?

lol

[small steeple]

A salamander? Axolotl?

Something like that

[versed snow]

Priory is fun, the first area is a bit cancer with the standy/shooty mobs but otherwise great dungeon, war has it easy if you leave the other tank buster miniboss up. got the trinket from priory last night, it's a great one.

[sharp gale]

Healer crying trash

[small steeple]

brain check to make sure after stacking on Swampface that group can stack again for the miniboss

[frosty mango]

Bubbles isn’t bad as a healer but I’ve yet to understand how it determines how many stacks of backwash you get

Sometimes it’s 1, sometimes it’s 3

[toxic pewter]

servers r up

[sharp gale]

And for the chainsaws it is annoying to not have ground visuals on these but yeah it’s just move, with 20 mobs

[undone beacon]

if u r dirty u need more wash = more stacks for u dirty boys

[undone beacon]

Me watching the pug dps panic and sprint into another pack

[oak ivy]

I love tuesday mornings

[undone beacon]

The amount of wipes I've had in dungeons so far because rdps panic and sprint into more enemies is absurd

[small steeple]

what pull with chainsaw guys has 20 mobs? lmao

[versed snow]

The first pull

[undone beacon]

Real men go over the hill and kill the hyenas smh

[versed snow]

Is that possible without a priest? I haven't actually tried it but seemed like there wasn't a way to get there

[undone beacon]

Its very possible and quite easy

I prefer to go over the hill and lust first boss and third boss

[small steeple]

you go straight then? I do this

[small steeple]

this 💯

[versed snow]

To be fair I have done floodgate maybe twice

Ohhh that is pretty cool

[undone beacon]

This is more or less what I do

I kill all the divers and skip some of the other packs but same idea

[versed snow]

The last time I ran it I was told they ran left from the start (right or east on the map overlay), and it didn't make sense

That makes a lot more sense

[undone beacon]

You just have to be careful that peoples pets dont pull the shredders

Unholy and Demo are both reeeeal bad about that

Route where you go the other way and pull all the crocs when

[tacit falcon]

fire mages 😦

so annoying with the fucking phoenix or whatever

[undone beacon]

I've stopped taking fire mages, all the ones I've run with have been a losing gamble

I know prot does big dam but like, you're a dps please out dps me

[small steeple]

fire mage only shines once stuff lives long enough

[undone beacon]

True, but even on my 10s and 11s they're doing fuck all

[sharp gale]

I do 9 first with the 5 dudes above (I come from where the 5 dudes are)

I over exaggerated with 20

[undone beacon]

Unacceptable

Mods, kill them

[frosty mango]

Also highly dependent on pi in keys for combustion cdr

[wooden robin]

I see in Legitclappins build he has Bolster vs Spell block, just curious if that is something I should be doing also or whats the trade off?

[frosty mango]

The saw blades do ramping damage, so if everyone just stacks, when they cast shreddation you just move

[wooden robin]

only thing i have different from their build

[frosty mango]

It’s braindead easy people just make it hard by running around like idiots

[frosty mango]

Depends on the key

[wooden robin]

gotcha, that makes sense then i was curious if he was swapping back and forth

[sharp gale]

And if 1 of your pug is dumb he gets one shoted

[wooden robin]

thanks

[frosty mango]

That’s not a you problem

Also takes a long time for sawblades to kill you

If you stand in them for 3+ seconds you are probably deserving of your death tbh

[sharp gale]

Oh I never died to saw blades, I was talking about the group

Even week 1 with 630 ilvl

[undone beacon]

See it becomes a you problem when the dps panics and sprints into range of some random mob you didn't even know existed and then tries to flame you for bad routing and then you leave their key cuz fuck em

[frosty mango]

No that’s definitely still a them problem

[undone beacon]

Touche

[sharp gale]

Yeah message me = just ignore list

[frosty mango]

People are dumb panicky blame shifters, I just ignore them

Wow is a world where you can just pretend a person doesn’t exist, and then they don’t

[native ember]

i cant get a group of pumpers to time a priory that place is unforgiving asf on time no wipes and going over time my routes pretty fucking sound aswell

[sharp gale]

But most don’t flame me bc I’m second dps

[undone beacon]

I've adopted a zero tolerance for pug bs, had a mage in cinderbrew pull packs for me and then tell me to "shut up and just tank", left immediately

[native ember]

every other place is a joke

[frosty mango]

First room is big on gaining time - you have to do a pretty big lust pull there

Also room before second boss, you can double each pull (both sides both times)

[undone beacon]

Save time, pull the first boss with all the minibosses

[vocal flame]

lol

[frosty mango]

You can also pull the last two priest packs into the boss to save a minute

Healer dependent

[sharp gale]

Just in second boss room don’t take 4 paladins

[frosty mango]

Can you tell my m+ group this

[undone beacon]

divine toll go brrrr

[frosty mango]

As I’m trying to heal four sacred tolls

[undone beacon]

Healer mechanic deal wit it 4head

[sharp gale]

Your tank pull the entry one with the right one

[frosty mango]

No he pulls the entry and the entire inside

[undone beacon]

defensives dont uhh do damage so like... why would i hit them

[undone beacon]

Ew what

[frosty mango]

And I just butt clench and do 3m hps the entire pull

[undone beacon]

I just split it into three pulls and pray people dont back into the other half of the room, ez life

Entry, left, right, boss

[frosty mango]

I do two when I tank it, but all three is super scary

[sharp gale]

I do split in three too, to have a smaller one before the boss

[frosty mango]

Takes my barrier and evang and PI

And usually suppress on myself

[native ember]

yea i try to double everything in that place tbf the times ive tried had a carry and then the other time the heals were not up to par so i had to resort to single pulls not ideal give it a shot this week with my reg crew

[undone beacon]

Its not bad at all in a coordinated group but in pugs its a nightmare

[sharp gale]

I love doing the key in pug as bdk but not as war

[native ember]

and lust on first pull yo where tf do i tank first mini boss if im going left up the stairs without getting knocked all over the fkn place i mean its not a big deal cause i can demo and charge back but sheesh

[undone beacon]

Playing BDK gives me stress ulcers I cannot do it

[sharp gale]

Yeah but grabs in priory ahhh

[undone beacon]

My pug focused tank is my guardian druid lol

[vocal flame]

I dont I position him next to stairs, not worth pulling extra mobs

[sharp gale]

It still give me stress ulcers after 2 weeks playing it

[velvet knot]

Fellas help me out here. what's the pick?

Isn't trashmasters bis?

[undone beacon]

Have you considered

Simming

[sharp gale]

Not bis, just the worst cloak you can get

[long bronze]

nothing fun but myth pants are pretty noice

[tropic pond]

ohhh dangg

[velvet knot]

I'll take tier gloves then

[vocal flame]

GRATS on Tome

[small steeple]

gratz

[oak ivy]

are raid boss white hits parryable

[undone beacon]

you son of a bitch

[wide charm]

Alright folks,
hero track tier helm with avoidance and socket
or
vers/mastery heavy myth track shield? (I was planning on crafting a shield....)
or
hero eye of kezan (don't really care about raid parse)

Let's assume I just don't get 4 pc this week if I don't take the helm because holy shit my luck.
thoughts?

[vocal flame]

I am on run number 15 or so for that damn thing

[undone beacon]

Take the shield

[small steeple]

do you have tier yet? Shield for long term gain

[wide charm]

0 tier...

[undone beacon]

Myth Shield > everything

[vocal flame]

^

[small steeple]

if you've killed gallywix you will now have 3 catalyst charges this week

or was it 2k that gave the extra free catalyst charge?

[vocal flame]

go play the lotto

[jagged pier]

if u got 2k week 1 u had that charge already

[wide charm]

Right even with weaker stat priority? Is that 3il for what? like 300 more block? What is the significance
I do have 3 catas atm. But I've gotten 0 raid loot and I was 8/8N 7/8H week 1 and full cleared both last week

my luck sucks

[versed snow]

Vault lottery the worst sometimes for sure

[undone beacon]

Even with bad stats, yes

[jagged pier]

u still want some vers and mastery

doesnt matter where it comes from

[small steeple]

better than weekly chest lottery from bfa

[wide charm]

hmmm ughhh I swear I won't get 4pc until #4 cata

fucking hell

[sharp gale]

Yep that’s what I would take

[jagged pier]

can we get one reset

[vocal flame]

gloves are good

[sharp gale]

I think we get a catalyst charge this week

[undone beacon]

The real question of the day is do I open on Prot or Fury hmmmm

[undone beacon]

We do

[vocal flame]

Wait you have a 645 waist and 4pc already? I would go belt

[sharp gale]

So no tier this weeks means in 3 vaults / raid not a single tier slot ?

[neon elk]

Isnt this 2nd vault?

[timid wigeon]

is this trinket any good ?

[jagged pier]

its ok

[sharp gale]

Second vault yes sorry

[undone beacon]

Awful for personal gain, great for group play. Middle of the road

[jagged pier]

better than anything else in your vault

[versed snow]

Yeah your vault is bad news bears

[vocal flame]

take the coins lol

[versed snow]

Would grab the trinket its decent

[jagged pier]

unless u have an eye behind the tooltip

[vocal flame]

im sorry that sucks

[jagged pier]

u would not take the coin

why would u not just take a trinket for easier free upgrades later

[versed snow]

I had to grab a mythic cloak, feels bad

[timid wigeon]

I already bis heroic trinkets, should I get mythic track cinderbrew stein over mythic track vers/mastery ring ?

[undone beacon]

Sim it

[jagged pier]

well u can take the ring for the same reason

[sharp gale]

Taking the coins is like : how do you spend your gilded crests now ?

[neon elk]

On hc gear ? For later upgrades

[sharp gale]

Im not spending a single gilded crests on hc gear

[small steeple]

man all these people opening their vault, I'm not gonna be on my pc for another 7 hours

[undone beacon]

I spent gildeds on hero track pacemaker/tome

[sharp gale]

(That’s why tomorrow I can get 6/6 on myth track I take from vault AND can have my second craft)

[small steeple]

same, I crafted with them, and gonna upgrade myth track stuff

[sharp gale]

I plan to craft on cd so I need the crests

[undone beacon]

Crafting is for nerds, turn all your gildeds into runed crests

[sharp gale]

My dk is sitting on 659 ilvl and 45 gilded in his bag

[undone beacon]

wow what an entirely mediocre vault

[ionic nimbus]

Mythic Tier piece, not that bad

[sharp gale]

Myth chest wdym bad

[undone beacon]

I didn't say it was a bad vault

Entirely mediocre ;)

Didn't roll a tank trinket so its a win in my eyes

[ionic nimbus]

its an item for the whole season, its fine i guess

could have been big red button, codex and another crap trinket 😄

[undone beacon]

I was really hoping for three cloaks myself

[sharp gale]

Remnant of darkness

[undone beacon]

🤮

[sharp gale]

Plating

Something you crafted

[restive oak]

i got plating offered, but i also got pacemaker, so it worked out

[undone beacon]

Wrong choice, shouldve taken the plating

Plating S+++

[restive oak]

plating all day

i will make it work and show all of you

[undone beacon]

Myth plating gives less armor than 1 cast of Ironfur

[vital vale]

the "Rage Generated" tab in my Details! doesnt seem to really work, im trying to track what sources my rage comes from to see if Instigate is really that useful or not. anyone got some rage generation spreadsheet from single target and multitarget encounters for both thane and colossus?

[mortal edge]

How do i properly sim as a tank?

I am so conflicted with my choices at the moment

But i blieve the answer is right in front of me

[jagged pier]

u just sim

[mortal edge]

I have the Tank trinket from priory and normal eye of kazan

vault, i assume its the trinket

[jagged pier]

thats not from priory

[mortal edge]

no, i currently have the 2

[next pasture]

trinket bis forever, or myth weapon which is a massive dps gain but not my bis?

[jagged pier]

just sim

[mortal edge]

but is trying for 4 pc better than the trinket

[ionic nimbus]

Sim Single Target and AoE for Both

[mortal edge]

i only have 2 atm

[jagged pier]

thats a bis wep in vault

tho

[next pasture]

bis list says mechagon one

[vital vale]

nvm i have to turn on a setting in the options

[jagged pier]

omg

[sharp gale]

You can see in a full sim report

[jagged pier]

theres no such thing as a bis list

[next pasture]

lol, it's good stats

[jagged pier]

thats literally top simming gear

its the same stats as the one in vault

[next pasture]

this is crit mast, i imagine a myth crit/haste weapon is just better

[ionic nimbus]

Look at Wep stats

both are haste / Crit

[vital vale]

i see, thanks

[jagged pier]

thats crit haste i have it

[next pasture]

...>

[mortal edge]

my weapon is crit vers

in vault.

[undone beacon]

To be fair... myth pacemaker is more rare than a myth weapon... I'd take the pacemaker and never look back...

[undone beacon]

Eye is kinda dog in M+

[ionic nimbus]

same icon as dfc wep KEKW, thats haste crit

[mortal edge]

dude eye feels super strong

[undone beacon]

Also, like Jakey said you can always sim the damage. Note that they type of sim with skew the results, Eye sims much better in ST but falls off in short raid fights and in M+

[mortal edge]

its like 5k str

im not tanking raid, this is only a M+ toon

[undone beacon]

Keeping stacks up in dungeons sucks though, esp with all the rp this season

[ionic nimbus]

to max the usage of eye, you have to pull very fast

[sharp gale]

Eye takes 4 min to stack and you lose them if you get out of combat

[mortal edge]

i bleed into packs

like pull into each one

[undone beacon]

I'd take the Pacemaker and craft a weapon

[mortal edge]

but some dungeons

you are right

too much RP

[vocal flame]

Take the pacemaker and buy a Bugatti

[mortal edge]

LOL

[undone beacon]

The odds of seeing another Pacemaker are much lower than another weapon showing up

[sharp gale]

Or healer eating, stairs, walking to a boss etc

[ionic nimbus]

and you can craft bis wep 3 ilvl below, but not a peacemaker 😄

[mortal edge]

i made bracers

and i made the shield

when do we get another spark?

[sharp gale]

Next week

[ionic nimbus]

next reset

[mortal edge]

damn , so i cant make for 2 more weeks

an item right

[ionic nimbus]

you should get your 5th spark part this reset

6th will be with your 3rd vault

[sharp gale]

Yeah we got half a spark middle of last week because of exploits

[mortal edge]

gotcha

aiight, im going trinket

sim says for 1.30 mins 5 pack

that rinket better than kazan

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fmCiN5geZFqBrfeKmyuX8i

this is how i simmed it, but lmk if i did osmething wrong

[vocal flame]

that cause of the race?

that random spark

[undone beacon]

Because of an exploit people were doing

[sharp gale]

Idk I just read the mail I got on my char

[vocal flame]

i didnt get mail lol

[undone beacon]

There was an exploit to get an extra spark early so blizz just gave everyone an extra

[vocal flame]

i want the tea

ooooo ok

[sharp gale]

Nothing wrong, simming an execute trinket that takes 4 min to stack in a 1.30 sim, I expect this result

[mortal edge]

GOTCHA

okay

i went with trinket ill upgrade it to

since i have 60 gilded still

[undone beacon]

now that... that is sexy

[mortal edge]

lol

i guess that means pull the trigger lol

[undone beacon]

No reason not to, you'll get another 90 gilded this week

[vocal flame]

Looks amazing, now put on your gold chain and drive your convertible Bugatti

[undone beacon]

And a thicc pacemaker makes that grind easier ;)

[mortal edge]

xD

[frail ibex]

Im not sure how I feel about this

[undone beacon]

Take the shield and never look back

[jagged pier]

thats a very good ring

[sharp gale]

regret your craft but nice ring yeah

[undone beacon]

If you have a shield or a crafted shield ring is great too yeah

But if you're killing mythic carnage maybe wait to see if one drops

[wooden robin]

that ring is BIS is it not?

shield is great also damn, gg to that vault

[frail ibex]

Ok so ik for dps specs you always go higher wep 99% of the time

[potent basin]

Already have crafted weapon

[frail ibex]

does the same apply for shields even in the case of

[potent basin]

tiers the play right?

[frail ibex]

like this tiers shield from raid

[sharp gale]

Head (there is a helmet on first boss tho if you myth raid)

[frail ibex]

Like I would wear a max shield over a heroic gally shield

[undone beacon]

Yes, shield ilvl > everything else

[frail ibex]

ty

[potent basin]

I do but it will probably go to dps over me and we will stop reclearing

[sharp gale]

You mean you already extending or you just not in a myth prog guild

Or you have 10 plate players

[potent basin]

I don't know how long we will reclear for

we also do have like 10 plate

[sharp gale]

(We are 3* in mine)

[undone beacon]

we have so much plate its not even funny

BDK, Prot Warr, 3 Ret pallies, 1 Holy Pally, 1 UH DK, 1 Fury Warr

[violet ginkgo]

plate ftw!

[sharp gale]

We have 1 war, 1 prot pal and 1 bdk (me)

[potent basin]

So definitely the tier helmet?

[sharp gale]

My warrior gonna eat in those reclears

[frail ibex]

LOL MY PROT PALLIES VAULT IS GOATED

[potent basin]

I don't know what else I would get

[undone beacon]

Guardian Vault, sims telling me to take normal House of Cards over anything else sadge

[undone beacon]

huge

[sharp gale]

Don’t forget to sim at max ilvl on the items

But house of cards is strong yeah

[undone beacon]

Yep

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fBPDUsBgLnZGdFK8qDL1cu

Its a shitter alt so im not stressin but

feels bad takin champ gear out of a vault lol

[sharp gale]

Oh yeah it is one of shitty alt I see

Mine is a Druid too (for now, might switch to vdh as shitty alt place)

[undone beacon]

Guardian tanking is brainless so I use it when my guild needs help with lower keys lol

I can just hold W and hit thrash and win

[desert pine]

so what are peoples opinions on the current tier set. To me it is very underwhelming and the proc rate seems far too low.

[wooden robin]

feel like my two piece procs alot

[toxic pewter]

just got a 99 parse on first boss heroic and a hunter lusted on pull LOL

[wooden robin]

constantly hearing my walls go up

[toxic pewter]

not during the burn phase

[sharp gale]

I can tell I only have set on bdk (it is meh bc rng) and I have 0 piece on my war yet

[restive oak]

yeah doing 2.25mil on vexi is fun

[undone beacon]

Unreliable defensive proc is boring and lame, more shield charges is nice, doesnt really impact our rotation at all, numerically fine but boring overall

[frail ibex]

guardians

[undone beacon]

Thats a big mud

[frail ibex]

I've never even seen this trinket

[restive oak]

it's nice to have, but i wouldnt use it all the time

[undone beacon]

I use a hero mud on my guardian, the shield is is huge. Not as good as bombsuit but a good stand-in

[sharp gale]

Tbh the rng part of the 2 piece that I don’t enjoy is the 15% increased damage (idk if it is on prot too)

[restive oak]

but its useful nonetheless

[undone beacon]

Guardians also love vers so its not the worst thing to pull, better than most tank trinkets rn

[undone beacon]

its on all the tank 2-sets, yeah

[restive oak]

oh its on a druid

[mortal edge]

I got the steinmug on my prot paladin

[desert pine]

luck of the draw has like a 15-20% uptime in a key so that is around 1 proc per minute

not good imo

[sharp gale]

Can’t really tell with uptime, it can proc outside of your burst

[restive oak]

its up early in pack when you burst a good amount of times

i mean reasonable enough for something you dont control

[frail ibex]

MORE MUD FOR THE MUD GOD

dh

LOL

[undone beacon]

MUD FOR THE MUD GOD

[frail ibex]

THERES ALSO A BOMB SUIT

FUCK

[restive oak]

just get all the shield trinkets

[frail ibex]

IDK IF I CAN GO BACK ON MY MUD LAWS

UGHHHH

[undone beacon]

YOU BELONG TO THE MUD

[restive oak]

doesn't the one talent in felscarred reduce mud?

but no one playing felscared rn i dont think

[sharp gale]

The dh I met last night play feldcarred but he started the game 4 months ago

[restive oak]

it's proly better for newer players def

but ppl like to just copy top guys lol

[sharp gale]

He is afraid to tank bc hekili user

[undone beacon]

Hekili mentioned, deploy shade

[sharp gale]

(He does 2.2m overall with 652 ilvl, he got humbled when we grabbed him in a 10 with good players)

Constantly 4th dps

[restive oak]

it's like when i go to a sub 10 on my war and steal all the dmg before dps can get it lol

[mighty valley]

kind of baffled when people want more power than this in a tier set lol

i agree i like the ones that slightly mix up the rotation better but

it's plenty powerful enough

[sharp gale]

It change the prot war rotation ?

[restive oak]

you sometimes use shield charge outside of burst window

change

[mighty valley]

no, i mean i like the ones that do and this doesn't

[undone beacon]

Its not about power imo its about it being completely passive, boring, and unpredictable

wheeee sometimes i get cdr on shield charge i guess

[mighty valley]

plenty of people have come through saying "it should proc more"

[sharp gale]

Yeah I thought it didn’t change rotation at all, like on dk your death strike cleave but whatever it is same rotation

[mighty valley]

i like pressing shield charge. cool button that gives us a ton of shit

[sharp gale]

I just don’t like that it rng proc, I’m fine on whatever cd

[undone beacon]

Its a cool button thats fun to press, but it doesnt change the rotation. You hit it on CD, now you hit it slightly more. Helps with SB uptime I suppose, which is nice

[mighty valley]

yeah i'm with you that i like ones with more gameplay difference but idk, it's a balance

[restive oak]

it makes battering ram a more viable choice i guess :p

[mighty valley]

when it does change the rotation, you always get people saying "i hate this, it's a gimmick, it makes me play weird" etc

[sharp gale]

The gameplay change is you can drop ravager

[undone beacon]

Now I'm also no class designer so I cant say that I have ideas that would work better but. The first thing that jumped to mind was making last stand give a 200% IP or something, idk. While IP is active you radiate damage relative to how big the IP is. You do a little dance whenever you block an attack, idk

[timid wigeon]

I tested this trinket

37% uptime, 8.2% self-heal

don't see any buff on the party

[sharp gale]

Don’t forget they are beta testing cross-class tier set, I see why they chose more basic ones

[small steeple]

Honestly wish they did that tier1, because 1st tier of an expansion is suppose to be the boring one, instead we get 2 boring ones

[sharp gale]

Same reason I understand why tier in season 1 of expansions does literally nothing

[small steeple]

Tell that to prot paladin

They had an insanely strong s1 tier

[jagged pier]

same that to brew tier from last season

[small steeple]

yeah

[jagged pier]

literally one of the best tier sets they ever had

[sharp gale]

Wasn’t it second keg smash again ?

[small steeple]

Was it better than keg of heaven or whatever its called?
this made kegsmash and blackout kick do crazy damage right

[small steeple]

second keg smash is a talent

[sharp gale]

I know

[small steeple]

s1 tier for brew procd free kegsmashes i believe

[jagged pier]

it was free key smashes that did more damage

and reduced stagger or somthing

i said when i read it it was nuts

no one believed me

its okay no one believed me when i said paladin was meta season

🙃

[sharp gale]

Yeah to me is do your rotation like you always do when i read it

[stiff gate]

the free keg smash tier was nice but idk about "nuts," certainly not as good as stuff in the past like keg of the heavens or the bdk rune weapon one

[deft mortar]

For survival, Colossus or Thane rn?

[sharp gale]

Hi, long time

[undone beacon]

Survival plays Sentinel actually, Pack Leader is kinda bad

;)

[small steeple]

BM placks pack leader though. Dark ranger is kinda bad

[solar gorge]

Someone here who can explain me how much rage gen Instigate is in m+? and which talent would i change to silence shout if i want to keep BSV (m+)? playing the standard m+ build except ravager for bsv. colossus ofc

[undone beacon]

Rip OG pack leader, good for like half a season

[stiff gate]

I usually just swap show of force for disrupting

[deft mortar]

To not die

not hunter stuff

[cosmic pivot]

Why Colossus and not MTH ??

[small steeple]

it would be show of force, but its a fairly large damage loss

[solar gorge]

ye thats what i was thinking thats why i wanted to know how much instigate does

[small steeple]

Not an option to drop

[jagged pier]

Instigate does too much

[solar gorge]

alright thanks

[undone beacon]

I know, we just meming. Colossus is currently the go to pick for both damage and survivability, got some real nice changes in S2. Thane is still viable tho

[long bronze]

myth helm and myth legs already locked in, lets go. Not a bad first two vaults

[deft mortar]

nice

base

based

sry about to jump in my first Mythic 10 at 635 ilvl

needed an answer

[undone beacon]

Thats a choice

[unborn island]

My favourite iteration of this to this day was the Antorus 4set which made crit shield slams spammable, it was awesome.

[long bronze]

just gotta get 15 runed crests this week and I'm done with that trash

[undone beacon]

Me when DF S2

[mighty valley]

didn't that just make us press last stand on cd

[undone beacon]

yeah but people really hated that for some reason

[long bronze]

does anyone know what triggers windsinger's to snapshot? Is it only when you put the ring on or do other things cause it

[wooden robin]

bombsuit vs 4 piece capable is my dilemma since i don't raid on this guy

that absorb would be nice for puggin i feel

[ruby musk]

Mythic shield haste/crit

[sharp gale]

Why we see so many trashmaster cloaks today

[undone beacon]

idk that turbo drain lookin pretty cool

[frigid valley]

ppl get what they deserve happy

[late hawk]

is it just exclusively better to open as fury vs arms? at least you can hit a 1h as fury. the pinned message implies arms could be a choice at some point but when would that be

[undone beacon]

when u dont need a 1hander

[ruby musk]

idk I opened as prot for shield/trinks/onehand

[mighty valley]

if you're trying to hit a specific trinket, arms just has fewer total items in there

[sharp gale]

As prot until you have shield+wep and tome trinket if you want it

[mighty valley]

and a lot of people have a maxed weapon by then

[late hawk]

ah i see, lower weapon pool

so more chance of other items

[undone beacon]

ye

[half jewel]

I am having trouble picking what I should get. Still don't have 2pc. But i have 652 Legs I can catalyst. Been saving crests for when I get decent stuff to upgrade.

[ruby musk]

My luck is gone now. Myth tome week 1, now this week 2.

I'm never seeing a weapon this season lol

[sharp gale]

You have to math it, number of 2 handers > shields + tank trinkets ?

[long bronze]

chest, there's no debate here?

[undone beacon]

yeah take the chest lol

No reason to take anything else

[half jewel]

yea i thought that might be the case but wasnt sure, would it be worth to catalyze it or leave it be since in our "bis" its not included.

[smoky anvil]

such a nothingburger vault

[undone beacon]

"bis" lists are dumb, dont live and die by them

They're for idealized characters with perfect stats

[long bronze]

bis is bis when every other piece is bis

[sharp gale]

The first remnant 🔥

[undone beacon]

unfortunate

You should live and die by sims, not bis lists

[half jewel]

fair, I fucked up my upgrading and crests last season so I am trying to be extra careful lol

[undone beacon]

By next month there will be no crest cap and we'll be geared to the teeth, nothing to fret over

[sharp gale]

Yeah BiS list are if you get EVERY items in MYTH 6/6

For single target

[undone beacon]

Honestly jastor diamond might be the play

Because god knows everyone is rolling on it in raid

[long bronze]

for some reason I thought there would be a bigger gap between punish and execute ST builds

[vocal pewter]

To use a charge on champion gear for 4 pc or hold off…

[long bronze]

how many charges do you have

[undone beacon]

If you've gotten your S2 KSM/AotC/Glad you should have 3 charges total as of this week

[timid wigeon]

has anyone tested this trinket ? I checked my details and my party didn't get any buff from it

[long bronze]

it's shit

does fuck all healing, gives you fuck all strength, and giving a random party member primary stat at a random time is stupid

[timid wigeon]

is it uptime on party member any good ?

[long bronze]

no

let me find a log where I had one on to test

[vocal pewter]

I believe 2

[pallid quiver]

Execute builds are more able to high roll due to jugg stacks being able to be maintained if lucky for the entire fight, meaning more damage overall

[restive oak]

if you not juggernaut in raid u doing it wrong

[pallid quiver]

If you don't high roll/it drops, it's not much further ahead

[long bronze]

I had 30% uptime, so avg 1k strength for you (like 1/4 of a normal trinket if you only count the strength), did less healing than indom which is awful by itself, and gave 1.7k main stat on average to somebody (random) in the group

[vital vale]

omg this is my first time not appearing in the "avoidable damage taken" screen

feels good

0 avoidable damage taken in rookery 😎

[sharp gale]

Im standing in the purple shit on the second boss for dmg

[long bronze]

if you're not grinding out keys for hero track items than why not

[timid wigeon]

frip my vault this week

[timid wigeon]

does it give only 1.7 main stats to only 1 party member ?

[long bronze]

yes

it's like giving away your trinket slot to a random party member at a random time

[undone beacon]

in the name of friendship! :D

[long bronze]

if you could sync it with somebodies CD's MAYBE it could still be a shit trinket

[timid wigeon]

freaking wowhead, they dare to list that trinket as A tier

when it's worse than a stat stick trinket

[long bronze]

that's @strong forum I still don't know why, the man is cracked

if you can't loot anything better I guess wear it but it shouldn't be something you aim to get

[strong forum]

need i explain this again to you old man

its a group buff trinket

not a personal buff trinket

[long bronze]

it's shit at that though

[timid wigeon]

I am using heroic tome of light and seaforium peacemaker

[strong forum]

buffing someone for 7% mainstat is pretty good if you ask me

[long bronze]

yeah it is

except you get to lose your trinket for it

[timid wigeon]

the buff uptime is almost non-existent

[long bronze]

and for all you know it's going on your healer during bloodlust

[timid wigeon]

it would be great if it buffs the whole party

[long bronze]

absolutly huge smites coming in hot

[timid wigeon]

but only 1 ....

[strong forum]

ig i can put it low b-rank

[long bronze]

while you're at it move mechano-core

it sims like crazy

[strong forum]

ye i misread it

i thought it lowered your lowest stat

but it buffs your lowest stat or highest

[long bronze]

which are both good dps stats cuz we're prot warriors and our spread is like 1

[sharp gale]

Yeah but you are supposed to lose a trinket worst than this one since it is neither the best or the worst

[long bronze]

it sims better than pacemaker for me, which is in S tier

[smoky anvil]

N Jastor, sims not so great as well

[strong forum]

yeye i moved it up to A tier cuz you cant get it at myth

[long bronze]

Its only gettable at hero, so prob not S tier

yeap

legend

I did it boys

I convinced nom

let's fuckin go

[timid wigeon]

peacemaker has 50% uptime for a primary stat trinket, it's the bis

[strong forum]

pacemaker also always procs on pull

[long bronze]

pacemaker is giga, I'm just echoing what the sim computer robot man is telling me

[strong forum]

[sharp gale]

Nome when tome in warrior apl ?

[long bronze]

pacemaker vs mechano-core ST (caveat: my gear)

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fUK4biY9Wxzx32TpFZi3sE

[sharp gale]

My brain freezed 5 min bc I have to do custom apl for warrior but not on dk x)

[potent anvil]

Do I drop ravager for battering ram in m+ with 4p? Or is that mostly a raid thing?

[cyan bronze]

tbh, i think it’s a lot better on any non prot warrior tank

prot itself just does a lot of dmg

that losing trinket slot for group buff feels worse

but idk it’s hard to value

[lusty grotto]

Drop indom for max dps

[cyan bronze]

b to a tier feels valid

[potent anvil]

[cyan bronze]

actions+=/use_item,name=tome_of_lights_devotion,if=buff.inner_resilience.up

here’s this

[sharp gale]

Drop 2 sec shield block for max dps

[cyan bronze]

not in warrior apl I think but can plug it in

[lusty grotto]

[lusty grotto]

Calm down Satan

[sharp gale]

I know how to do it, it’s just you don’t need to do on bdk, I wondered why it is not in the base apl for prot

[timid wigeon]

btw, is Tome of Light that really good ? it has no primary stat, the dmg proc is purely ST. It doesn' feel great for m+ tanks

[cyan bronze]

its a lot of dmg

and a lot of crit

[long bronze]

are you calling Sense satan? All his logs are with massacre

[cyan bronze]

i would wear it if i had it

[sharp gale]

Just the damage part proc is 11% of my dps on the first boss myth

90% uptime

[lusty grotto]

Sense is beyond the mortal realm

[long bronze]

if stein is the epitome of shite, the tome is the epitome of goated

this is a fair take

[timid wigeon]

for bosses, then it's really good, I was asking about m+ though

[cyan bronze]

st matters so much in keys

and there’s a lot of low target scenarios in these keys

& iirc it scales fine into aoe, as far as damage trinket goes

[lusty grotto]

Tbf, massacre works if you manage tier well

Cause you'll have SBs out the wazoo with SCs

[long bronze]

I ran it on our vixie kill yesterday and I felt like I had infinite shield block downtime but I'm also bad

[timid wigeon]

I agree, I have no choice to ask wowhead to refund my this week vault

[long bronze]

but it was m vexie so it didn't really matter

[cyan bronze]

did you get myth tome in vault¡¿

[long bronze]

execute goes brrr

[timid wigeon]

no, I got the A tier trinket cinderbrew stein

[cyan bronze]

ah

oh I would of taken token over that LMFAO

[long bronze]

classic

[cyan bronze]

i would run stein on bear

maybe

[long bronze]

actually nom don't change it

baiting people is hilarious

[timid wigeon]

I wish I was informed about how bad that trinket was

[cyan bronze]

or maybe thane

it’s just prot does so much dmg that idk if it’s worth equipping for group dmg

maybe it is

[long bronze]

don't make me tap the sign

[cyan bronze]

it very genuinely could be

It’s a shame they fixed it honestly

that trinket was beyond broken on ptr

[timid wigeon]

I should have taken Big Red Button over it, at least it gives me primary stats and AoE snap

[long bronze]

honestly all they need to do

is make you and your party progressively drunker when you have it on

and it would be S tier

[cyan bronze]

it was shielding for like

6 mil on ptr

[long bronze]

yeah even the heal part is awful

and we're probably up there as the biggest potential beneficiary of a "Free" absorb as far as tanks go

[cyan bronze]

Honestly tho @timid wigeon I wouldn’t be surprised if it got buffed a little bit if there was trinket tuning

[long bronze]

if a BDK puts that trinket on they should probably microwave their harddrive

I'm waiting for them to overtune flame vents, it's gonna happen

[cyan bronze]

kujo?

stop it

[timid wigeon]

I only remembered they nerfed dungeon trinkets. Did they ever buff dungeon trinkets ?

[cyan bronze]

it’s blizz

[lusty grotto]

Sometimes yes

[cyan bronze]

they do whatever the breast milk says to

there’s no rhyme or reason lol

[long bronze]

they buffed the armor trinket like 800% or something

[cyan bronze]

LMFAO

[long bronze]

which means it's still awful

[cyan bronze]

and it’s still fucking ass

for everyone but brew I imagine?

[timid wigeon]

the trash trinket from mechagon ?

[cyan bronze]

@waxen frigate

[long bronze]

yeah

[cyan bronze]

is the armor trinket good for brew

[long bronze]

you gotta be down bad to wear an armor on use trinket

[timid wigeon]

trash x 8 = bigger trash

[waxen frigate]

no

lmao

[cyan bronze]

oh ok

[lusty grotto]

It's good

For a vendor

[cyan bronze]

i just know brew has zero armor

[long bronze]

had me in the first half

[lusty grotto]

Free gold

[cyan bronze]

figured maybe it was gonna be meaningful phys dr

[lusty grotto]

The pause was the key

[long bronze]

it was delicious

[timid wigeon]

isn't blizzard going to nerf prot war's dps, is it ? Is there a chance they leave us to roam in front of purple gods ?

[lusty grotto]

Let me call my friend John Blizzard

[toxic pewter]

no need for nerfs

we still arent even considered s tier lmao

[lusty grotto]

He just said he's too busy looking at prot paladin and vdh fan art

🤷

[mighty valley]

no prot paladins have timed a 16..........

[timid wigeon]

they rerolled to VDH

[long bronze]

blood dk also does giga dam

we also have a lot of burst dam so the unwashed masses see us doing giga dam because things die in low keys

[plush tendon]

they prob nerf Prot War St

[long bronze]

[undone beacon]

Listening to some mage in my guild arguing that prot needs to be nerfed into the ground because its too strong while only doing +5s

[sharp gale]

i will check in 5 min, because yes uptime is lower in keys because it gain stacks more quickly but i don't remember how much

[mighty valley]

(gives us 6 damage CDs) "why is their burst so high"

[plush tendon]

I mean... its not just burst

[slender bison]

At around what M+ level does Collossus start to fade due to rage spent on defensives?

[plush tendon]

prot war is doing quite a bit more then every other tank

[sharp gale]

how many demolish you guys cancelled so far ?

[mighty valley]

zero

[stiff gate]

im pretty sure my healer made a weakaura to alert him that im demolishing so he can typhoon the mobs away

[sharp gale]

in top i forget they fucking jump away

[plush tendon]

pretty sure we'll get slapped with a -5% damage aura or something

[mighty valley]

the only prot warrior to time a 16 is in colossus

oops

it scrolled, bad reply

[mighty valley]

the only prot warrior to time a 16 is in colossus

there we go

[slender bison]

Yea, but that's sweatlord land

[plush tendon]

I dont see why you wouldnt want to play Col in keys

[sharp gale]

because people overvalue ignore pain

[stiff gate]

20sec shockwave knockup is goated in keys

[sharp gale]

imo

[plush tendon]

I also dont have issues with rage as Col

a couple of dead globals

but just charge weave or something

[slender bison]

The Colosus build is slugish when you have downtime. Kinda boring

[sharp gale]

i have very few dead globals but i'm no tier andy

[mighty valley]

pretty much every time I have a dead global I can point to the mistake I made to get there

[slender bison]

Hope they change to reduce Demolish cd via spending rage or smth

Similar to Shield slam reducing Shield Wall

When Demolish is off life's kinda boring, at least Thane is fun smashing with Lightning

[long bronze]

I don't have dead globals but I don't press ignore pain unless I don't have the buff, revenge until my key breaks

[plush tendon]

pretty much this

[vital vale]

15 sec is a long duration, how often is the proc rate? probably like once per minute?

[plush tendon]

and getting SW with Avatar is really nice

[undone beacon]

If you have dead globals, it would be a great time to press your ANODIZED DEFLECTORS! Thats right im still on about them. Anodized Deflectors + Armor Plates? Now we're cooking

[sharp gale]

even if i don't have ignore pain, i press revenge until i have 70+ rage to reapply ignore pain

[slender bison]

The build is weird since it expects that Ignore pain si re-fuled by damage

So you have to spend rage on Revenge

[mighty valley]

yeah? pressing revenge is sick

[plush tendon]

you want to spend rage on Revenge

[lusty grotto]

Huh

[long bronze]

there is far less rage dumping into IP than before

[undone beacon]

Why wouldnt you want to revenge is hyuge

[plush tendon]

Revenge hits like a freight train

[sharp gale]

in huge aoe you guys skip shield slam ?

[undone beacon]

If you want to spam your rage-dump defensive and have it do damage you're looking for Guardian Druid

[plush tendon]

no

[undone beacon]

never

[plush tendon]

SS is prim rage generator

[long bronze]

because you can actually rage starve yourself with revenge unlike 11.0 thane where that was impossible lol

[plush tendon]

always first prio

[plush tendon]

being flooded with rage is boring

[lusty grotto]

Why would the build be weird for that reason?

[plush tendon]

thats my hot take

[long bronze]

agree

[undone beacon]

I HATE resource managment I HATE not being rage capped

[lusty grotto]

Kinda makes a lot of sense

[stiff gate]

any time where prot warrior devolves into spamming IP all the time with no care about your rage it does get pretty boring i agree

[undone beacon]

Rage management is like the one form of skill expression we get

[sharp gale]

huge aoe gives lot of rage, i press shield slam when i have outburst (no tier andy yet), i'll try like you guys do

[long bronze]

don't ever play bdk, 3 resources to manage lol

[undone beacon]

BDK gives me stress ulcers, I had to gear mine for mythic broodtwister and hated it lol

[lusty grotto]

If anything revenge into IP is synergy that actually makes sense

Jesus fuck I hate mobile discord

[undone beacon]

Nim get off ur phone and go work or something smh

[plush tendon]

there used to be a talent or something that made revenge/IP cost less if you alternate use

[lusty grotto]

I can't I'm in the office

[sharp gale]

you should try raidbot and logs on mobile

[undone beacon]

Boooo

[lusty grotto]

Chatting while in a meeting cause I'm bored and dead inside

[slender bison]

Yes, but in practice, you still put another IP (unless you're with your favorite discord group)

[mighty valley]

nope! incorrect

[slender bison]

The prot talent for DPS to IP needs a buff

[sharp gale]

yeah so until you have 0 IP you have no reason to press it except rage dump

[lusty grotto]

Which is rare

[slender bison]

Enough theory crafting. Take the 1st miniboss from ToP. The claws guy

[plush tendon]

im also in the office

[slender bison]

You cant survive that with IP + damage

To refuel IP

Not even Captain pack

Which Thane does so much better

[lusty grotto]

My new overlords (buyout) blocked discord

[sharp gale]

the 3 dudes ? i only did in 10 so i wouldn't know if it does damage, i'm out

[mighty valley]

don't really know what to tell you, the people doing the most dangerous keys in the world are doing fine in colossus

[lusty grotto]

Well

Just tell him this

Play Thane, it's your sub

[toxic pewter]

omg im literally doubling damage vs a brewmaster right now LMAO

[undone beacon]

Yeah both are fine play whatever

[lusty grotto]

Just don't expect us to agree to validate your Thane decision

[sharp gale]

^

[slender bison]

They have a group of sweatlords, they're the 1%

[chilly brook]

I tried Thane in one 12, it felt worse than colossus

like I was still getting ass blasted in motherlode

so

[sharp gale]

you are on prot chanel on a class discord, you are a sweatlord

[plush tendon]

Thane is totally fine to play

but Col is the new hotness

and leaving a LOT of damage on the table

[chilly brook]

colo is just as good as thane in terms of survival

[plush tendon]

and, for some of us, Col tends to be more fun

[chilly brook]

like I stated earlier, was still getting my ass eaten in non-blockable damage

when in thane

[undone beacon]

The RWF groups used a bunch of MW monks but theyre sweatlords so why would I think MW is actually good

[sharp gale]

i prefer thane personally gameplay wise but i'm a bfa clap dude

[plush tendon]

guys, we play wow

we are all sweatlords

[long bronze]

gets ass eaten and complains, only in wow class discords smh

[lusty grotto]

Like happy said, people overvalue IP

[plush tendon]

regardless of key level

or IO

[chilly brook]

All of these packs are ez pz as colo???

[undone beacon]

fuck