Y'all think shield craft is next due to same circumstances?
#protection
wide charm
slim pier
is it jsut me or is shield block uptime kinda mid with colossus
you can get a lot of uptime obviously
prisma crane
it'll get better w/ 4p
slim pier
but it's very close
prisma crane
also tbh, i only have SB uptime issues if i'm spamming rev and not saving the rage to cast it
slim pier
Don't even have a single tier item lol
prisma crane
can always swap to HR if you want as well
frosty pilot
Are the mechagon bracers any good for us?
prisma crane
no
mighty valley
Y'all think shield craft is next due to same circumstances?
Yeah, I would
wide charm
The more annoying thing I've experienced with collosus is rage economy --- there have been rare moments where I want to shield block again to stack it and I just CANT GET RAGE
it's not common but it was non-existent with mountain thane
prisma crane
SS resets occasionally seem unavailable
slim pier
The more annoying thing I've experienced with collosus is rage economy --- there...
that happesn to me too
mighty valley
Just need to bank like… a lot of rage when you’re in a no cooldown stretch
slim pier
but my issue is probably that I spam shit too much
mighty valley
In case you get zero resets
wide charm
but my issue is probably that I spam shit too much
Yeah a whoopsie revenge and GG
prisma crane
yea, its just an adjustment in playstyle since it's technically slower due to rage gen being lower
and revenge spamming is fun
mighty valley
Yeah, the rage income spikes have been reduced so you can safely let your bar go up pretty high without fear of overcapping
slim pier
yeah I didn't ahve any issues with this pre rage revamp
prisma crane
did you play Thane last time though?
slim pier
Yes
prisma crane
because Colossus was always going to be less rage gen
slim pier
hmm okay
slim pier
plus TB generates more rage than TC
toxic pewter
is that new tome trinket really that good? did like 3.5% of my overall damage but I am losing a lot of the strength other trinkets have.. it was in a m+ 10 darkflame cleft.. am I missing something
frozen berry
toxic pewter
oh so its a st trinket
mighty valley
is that new tome trinket really that good? did like 3.5% of my overall damage b...
3.5% of your overall damage plus a crit buff
mighty valley
Were you switching it back to offensive mode all the time
toxic pewter
ya i have the weak aura to tell me too
yeah I guess with the nice crits its def a lot more damage on top of jus the proc
cyan bronze
it’s still good in m+
there’s an icd on it
so its not like you start pulling mobs and suddenly have 0 uptime on crit
viral jackal
Even eye of Kezan has pretty good up times for me in mythic
As long as you keep pulling to stay in combat
The only real bummer is mythics where you have two bosses back to back with little trash in between
slim orbit
Whats your thoughts on Prot warrior Collossus damage at the moment? Im literally another DPS its crazy. Reckon a nerf is inc? seems to be the highest parsing tank
pastel sleet
is there a WA for the priory trinket? and how to use it optimally?
opaque vine
@vocal pewter prolly nameplate auras
wide charm
Using it optimally? I mean... Generally try to keep crit up. If you are in a situation where you are going to take high magic damage then maybe leave it on armor for the chance to proc the magic barrier ---
after you play with it for a while you'll get the hang of it.
@pastel sleet
prime sphinx
make ur own i dont see why you'd need 4 icons for 1 trinket
wide charm
It'the stack count, the bottom left is the crit or armour icon with the text
bottom right is for the remaining on the magic barrier if procced
foggy fox
does leech heal back ignorepain when it's active?
sometimes my ignore pain jumps around up and down without me using it again so I am wondering what that is
foggy fox
not violent outburst but could be bv
short apex
FREE OF FLOODGATE PRISON
do i spam priory now for just not give a shit about that trinket
toxic pewter
gotta get trinket 😛
vocal pewter
<@191224333434093570> prolly nameplate auras
Where do I disable those?
lusty grotto
not violent outburst but could be bv
to answer your question, no
leech does not "heal" IPs
its an absorb
there's no "healing" it
leech is a pure heal not an absorb addition
its either BrV or re-applications
or no stranger to pain
lusty grotto
yes
round cliff
damn
wide charm
pretty sure you need to kill him
round cliff
guess ill have a m+ shield forever lmao
wide charm
just craft one, I'm going to next week as soon as I get crests
wide charm
or just wait for bullions
are those going to be real this season?
round cliff
.5 patch
wide charm
bored
lusty grotto
i think its cool they are doing it
i hope it happens every season from now on
hoping for x item on reclears is fucking ass
wide charm
Ye but I only really play the first like 3-4 weeks of a season then peace out
lusty grotto
ah
lusty grotto
lean frigate
i have 2 set and 2 set , when should i drop my old 2 set? when i get 4 set? or should i drop my old 2 set for heroic gear?
strong forum
Ilvl will trump it
Pretty much immediately
Our s1 tierset is garbage
0.6% from 0->4pc
lean frigate
thanks
jagged gust
I thought overwhelming rage would feel good in m+
but honestly I'm not sure if it's really doing anything for me 90% of the time
fossil gust
Should I use Demolish whhen I reach 10 stacks or should I keep it to use Revenge with more damage?
idle copper
demolish on CD
strong forum
Send demolish on cd
It applies 20% dmg amp after you used it
You also get demolish cdr when you're back at 10 stacks
small steeple
manage to time a priory 10. On last boss I asked the pugs to not kick holy smite. I does so muich damage lmao
strong forum
Fun
Whenever i tell my people to unbind kick during that fight they just kick every single cast
small steeple
lmao
strong forum
(I still beat them on boss dmg)
small steeple
fairly reasonable people for a pug group so feels good
i beat the fury on her so i have that at least
small steeple
ya
jagged gust
i beat the fury on her so i have that at least
Did no one die? ngl that seems very low overall
small steeple
Did no one die? ngl that seems very low overall
thats not the overall, just that fight
jagged gust
ohhh my b
jagged gust
fury target cap really shows in priory dunnit
small steeple
yuh
jagged gust
in top how far can I kite the mini bosses? Those swirling blades in a tight room makes area denial management a pita
sick sentinel
Hey guys. I startet New with a prot warrior. I love it.
Would you recommend a macro like this
/cast thunderclap
/cast shieldblock
/cast ignore pain
Or
/cast shield slam
/cast shieldblock
/cast ignore pain
Or is this a bad idea for New player
strong forum
Neither is a good macro
As it'll first overcap rage, then spend too much of it
I recommend to check the macro and weakaura section on wowhead or icyveins first
prime sphinx
being able to wall for 20 seconds straight is pretty nutty
lusty grotto
why do people take defender's aegis over impenetrable will?
we all play it
interaction with IO
as colossus
elder sable
is that it? just for the option to use it back to back if needed? or is it just for more avatar uptime?
elder sable
alright, thanks fellas
pallid quiver
SW's base CD also got reduced, as well, so the raw 30s CDR is better effectively
It's more of a percent of CDR than it was prior
Imp Wall is mega dead as a result, since no extra rage, the CDR isn't as much, and it doesn't give to option of back to back wall
mighty valley
Imp Wall also got nerfed by the overall rage income reduction
polar atlas
We need more Warrior buffs
short nest
hey anyone here already studied the tome trinket from priority? how do i get max dmg out of it? im my head, i press it to get the double crit and dmg buff, and after it gets ready again i stay in the crit/dmg chapter till its shifts after 50 stacks into shield(its around 2 mins) then i press it again to skip shield and get double crit/dmg and be in that chaper again. does that make sence?
prisma crane
yep, also explained fairly well in the top pin 🙂
short nest
oh didnt check the latest, ty
prisma crane
np
lavish rose
instigate over bloodsurge even on m+? Is the rppm from bloodsurge too low?
short nest
np
but it sims lower then it should be then right? cause its half the time in shield phase as it shows in the buffs in raidbots ability log
prisma crane
doesnt sim well, correct
short nest
i see
pallid quiver
instigate over bloodsurge even on m+? Is the rppm from bloodsurge too low?
Bloodsurge only starts to pull ahead at like 5+ mobs, and it's generally not by much unless you are doing some mondo pulls. Since most pulls in general aren't that big or stay that big for long, and you spend a non-zero amount of time on bosses, Instigate generally wins out over time
mental ermine
Colossus > priest shadow
violet ginkgo
Bloodsurge only starts to pull ahead at like 5+ mobs, and it's generally not by ...
oh yeah how is the pull nowadays? I heard earlier before s2 start a lot of streamers and ptr tester said blizz seemingly doesn't want us to pull omega big anymore in M+
jagged pier
they dont the only place u cnan do it is like brew
agile elbow
Ascendence or Duskthread on crafted weapon? Hmm..
hollow hill
Should I replace champion level Titan of Industry with a 665 hero shield even if it's a 5.1k dps loss? Feels obvious that I should for the defense, but just making sure lol
jagged pier
ilvl on shield is always better
chilly brook
lusty grotto
ty sir
chilly brook
np np
still can't believe I ended that key at 2.6m overall while running BSV
Priory is an insane dungeon man
I love and hate it
lusty grotto
test
cerulean tusk
I dislike it, dont hate it. Mainly cause I also DPS
chilly brook
lusty grotto
ive been posting hdr shit here for so long
chilly brook
I dislike it, dont hate it. Mainly cause I also DPS
I think it's a very well designed dungeon, lots of good choice and lots of great pulls to be had. The problem is just tuning is bad in comparison to the other dungeons and some mobs are just wildly broken, that's also paired with the fact that the timer is tight
cerulean tusk
As long the mini boss don't run to be stuck inside the stairs, or boss choses not to jump down. I can manage the screams of agony from the healer
chilly brook
mini boss before last boss is just insanely tuned
cerulean tusk
Just a lot of small stuff, bugs to casters being casters that annoy me
chilly brook
sharpshooters do way too much damage for being random targets that you can't outplay
cerulean tusk
Intervene the healer
cerulean tusk
I do, hell yea, zoom zoom
chilly brook
I mean unironically good use prolly but it would also be really troll in the first pull for me to do that
cerulean tusk
First pull being knight, and the three fountain packs?
(and the footmen)
Kinda want to try to get Mr Knock back in there too, but ppl already overwhelmed
What is fun about priory, is that compared to like ToP, it ain't something I have solved yet 
sharp gale
cerulean tusk
Skipping linx and sharpshooters, fair
Happy happy on his warrior
sharp gale
if you are curious on the talents of world first prot on gallywix
I am happy, i might switch warrior in guild raid after this 😎
cerulean tusk
chilly brook
I'm curious on if it's mathematically better to drop Indom for BSV instead of Battering Ram
jagged pier
we about to get hit by a nerf hammer race is over now
chilly brook
Scott isn't the first one I've seen do it
chilly brook
we about to get hit by a nerf hammer race is over now
certainly hope not
cerulean tusk
Why would we be nerfed? We in line with most 
sharp gale
chilly brook
every other tank seems to do similar damage outside of brew
cerulean tusk
We do a bit more dam, but less utility. Brew and Pala could get a buff?
chilly brook
and we're not the champs in terms of being unkillable
pastel summit
Prot was 5% of the raid comp it's so over
sharp gale
but casuals are crying bc they see prot warriors doing more than them in m+
urban bane
Im unsure how Archon aggregates its data but idk how true it is the pwar average damage output in keys is super similar to other tanks.
chilly brook
but casuals are crying bc they see prot warriors doing more than them in m+
they should see blood DKs
jagged pier
nah we should be pulled back a tad we are ahead by a little bit on every fight
but they will get it wrong
cerulean tusk
BDK gang 
sharp gale
they should see blood DKs
yeah but they never see a good bdk in low keys except me 
coral osprey
Is this an appropriate place for a prot warrior gearing question?
cerulean tusk
Sure, shoot
sharp gale
my worst overall in a cinderbrew
lyric fern
the blood truly is life
sharp gale
my damage comes from that which is really random and need things to live
lusty grotto
my guilds tank was talking about that today
cerulean tusk
my worst overall in a cinderbrew
Hold up. Hold the f up.
Aug???
sharp gale
yep it's the first aug i see
lusty grotto
and he has been bdk forever
sharp gale
50% ebon might uptime
cerulean tusk
I thought they extinctinct
coral osprey
I'm completely new to wow, started this season.
Here is my gear currently. I've got the crafting materials with my second spark ready for a 675 craft, and i'm wondering if I should craft a shield, a belt/bracers, or something else.
I saw on icyveins they suggest belt and bracers are BIS as crafted, but i've also seen some prot warriors crafting 675 shield.
Any feedback on what you would craft would be great, thanks.
lusty grotto
crafted shield is a good pick overall
sharp gale
my guilds tank was talking about that today
yeah when i do 3m overall it's not hard to check and see it is what makes my damage
lyric fern
shield highest value craft early on
lusty grotto
higher ilvl shield means you get more block
its the biggest defensive upgrade you can make
cerulean tusk
I'm completely new to wow, started this season.
Here is my gear currently. I've ...
I would craft a shield, if you don't get one in your next vault. Then weapon, then embellished items
lusty grotto
outside of a 6/6 myth shield
sharp gale
SHIELD
lyric fern
coral osprey
Ok cool, so shield is the move to let me farm some 10s before next vault then it sounds like.
Thanks guys.
cerulean tusk
Yep 👍 gl mate
sharp gale
it's the first thing i will craft wednesday when my Raid lead will come crawling to make me play my war
chilly brook
@jagged pier any input on what is the best point to drop for BSV?
lyric fern
I already crafted both my wep and my shield because I do not fear god
jagged pier
<@179993058186625025> any input on what is the best point to drop for BSV?
i dont play it so cant say
indom i guess
sharp gale
i would guess you drop the shield charge bull talent
lusty grotto
i drop indom
lyric fern
I drop ravager personally
sharp gale
or indom yeah
chilly brook
I usually don't but when testing new routes etc.
lusty grotto
SoF or indom
lusty grotto
i dont have ravager im a 4pc enjoyer
jagged pier
SoF or indom
u cant drop sof for bsv
chilly brook
yea man I be tryna puuuuuussshhhhh
jagged pier
i dont have ravager im a 4pc enjoyer
u should have dropped indom instead of rav
chilly brook
SoF or indom
SoF is dropped anyways for disrupting shout
cerulean tusk
15-16 already? Big
I struggle enough as it is in a 11-12 
Next week maybe some 13s 🙏
bleak breach
Highest I’ve done was 11 cinderbrew
cerulean tusk
What a buzz
bleak breach
Haven’t really tried to push yet though.
Dropped the 12 back because seemed like too much drama
cerulean tusk
Drama?
jagged pier
dont u mean general m+ community
bleak breach
Drama? <:ydnad:1030092574058369044>
Just too much effort for us to just brick it lol
It rolled to operation mechagon so I was like naaa
cerulean tusk
This early most expect keys to brick. Honestly this season most ppl I failed with was positive about it.
Just GG, go next at worst. Ppl even staying in to try thing over the timer
Actually an enjoyable time
(with the exception of a mage or two, going full meltdown. Then after a talk say they are sorry and just frustrated/confused)
bleak breach
Most of them I’ve seen complain are doing less damage then me as tank anyway
jagged gust
I had one over anxious palandy who kept pulling more groups while I was gathering, about the only bad experience I've had so far
deft cliff
most mages complain and be doing the lowest damage lol
lyric fern
Because of how early it is in the season, definitely seems like ppl are more okay with accepting a dead key
bleak breach
Is anything actually close to PWar damage wise?
lyric fern
I've also seen a lot of pug players accepting things when they make mistakes
bleak breach
All my friends that pug reckon they haven’t seen anything close
chilly brook
pally if they talent damage
chilly brook
All my friends that pug reckon they haven’t seen anything close
because bad tanks
bleak breach
Maybe the guys they pugged just weren’t that good
jagged gust
I had to walk a person through the entirety of workshops boss mechanics, mid fight. Still timed and we all learned a few things
lyric fern
I had to walk a person through the entirety of workshops boss mechanics, mid fig...
that's actually insane lol, workshop is such a free key
chilly brook
heck even druid is doin bigly key dam
lyric fern
yeah all 3 bear players
chilly brook
brew is the only tank that's just straight behind
deft cliff
i like this xpac
cerulean tusk
bleak breach
Only pieces I’ve got so far are from catalyst, I need atleast 1pc from raid tonight for 4pc
bleak breach
Myth rank crit haste wep
lusty grotto
i got 2 from normal last night and went 4pc
jagged gust
ah, thems the breaks
lusty grotto
but i was sitting on the same page
bleak breach
Yeah I thought I’d take that over champ tier
cerulean tusk
I get 4 piece wednesday no matter what
... How? 
jagged pier
we get 3rd catalyst on reset
bleak breach
... How? <:wadner:364925017114411009>
Another cat charge and he has 3pc
jagged gust
3 catalyst charges
bleak breach
3 is not 4
Has 3pc already
jagged gust
warrior math, it's close enough
sharp gale
he has 1 piece on him
deft cliff
i got my 2p
bleak breach
You guys think they over nerfed mythic bosses? Seems they went from 3-8 in like a day after nerfs lol
sharp gale
idk it's just design on gally
lusty grotto
i dont think they did
sharp gale
and 1 reset
lusty grotto
did you watch the fight lmao
bleak breach
100 pulls feels like nothing
lusty grotto
shit is bonkers
deft cliff
honestly 1st 3 last bosses are the most important.
sharp gale
i dont think they did
i answered his question, i think too the boss is bonkers
lusty grotto
it was like an hour ago wasnt it
bleak breach
Around lunch time
sharp gale
it's 7am already *
bleak breach
I think they got the balance right between norm and heroic this raid.
Actually felt like a decent jump even on the early bosses.
sharp gale
idk i think there might be a jump on bandit nm/hc for pug (i didn't pug a single time this season)
the 5 first are no diff to me
nm/hc
bleak breach
I noticed a definite gap, wouldn’t say they were hard but a reasonable jump for once.
lusty grotto
i mean they will tune bosses now
sharp gale
stix = destroyed in 3 days
mighty valley
gallywix will still be pretty insane for normal people
just didn’t need super tight damage optimization
sharp gale
I think they will at some point remove some bombshells on stix, the rest will be ilvl / renown nerfed
lusty grotto
yup
sharp gale
Well, as we will end up with 30% or so aura mod and gear
They still destroyed with nerfs ansurek
Or silken
sharp gale
Blizzard saying renown is to less nerf bosses is just a PR lie
sharp gale
Gally a lot easier tho, so prob not needed
You didn’t see a kill on gally with suboptimal comp yet
sharp gale
I realized 
cerulean tusk
These edits man 
sharp gale
I edit my things a lot, I’m not thinking in English sorry
cerulean tusk
Just have all the casuals go full BM comps, GG ez
jagged gust
I edit my things a lot, I’m not thinking in English sorry
tabernac
cerulean tusk
I see cat, I like
south zealot
All my friends that pug reckon they haven’t seen anything close
blood dks and vengeance suck at doing dps
generally
bad talent choices, bad gameplay choices etcv
cerulean tusk
When you said BDK do bad DPS, I was ready to attack. Luckily I read the rest and got the context of what you were saying 
sharp gale
He got me too in the first half
But it is what I think too, average bdk and vdh are just doing half damage than average col prot zugzug
north atlas
would u use s2 2pc or keep s1 4pc till u got s2 4pc
lusty grotto
2pc is instant swap
north atlas
ty
sick sentinel
we crafting binding of binding or just 2 pices with weave?
wicked plank
Hey guys, are we using Demolish on CD even if demo shout is up like 5-6 sec after or should I hold to align everythin in pure ST ?
jagged pier
On cd
crisp crown
u said here swap to Battering ram with 4 pc. What do we not take then? We swap from bulwark to ram?
crisp crown
and out of these 2, most ppl probably drop indom?
jagged pier
jagged pier
Pretty much cauae u loose value if u dont hold
calm fiber
Pretty much cauae u loose value if u dont hold
u answered me ?
jagged pier
Yes
jagged pier
No u ask if every sell is on cd use, use on cd
Thats the correct thing to do u loose value/more casts of it in the future to hold it
calm fiber
is war tank easy tank to play ?
jagged pier
Depends u can get by, but it has a mid to high skill ceiling i would say
Quite easy at a base level tho
Bit too fast for most ppl
blazing condor
whats the cpm we do now
unborn island
M+ is wild, I have dungeons on 10, and 11 on priory. The ones I lack on 10 are... Rookery, Cleft, ToP and Meadery
jagged pier
Honestly a nit lower but high 70s low 80s havent really checked
unborn island
Looks like I do better in the 'tougher' dungeons
jagged pier
bleak breach
Just spam revenge instead
neon elk
is it me or almost every spell on war tank is on cd use ?
Isnt that pretty much like most of classes tho? Or at least tanks , i dont realy play anything else
graceful kite
yea
its just that other classes cds align more i think
we have those 6s 8s demo desyncs might be confusing for people thinking they're playing incorrectly
thin wigeon
one question, if i've understood this right, I can use both embellishments, crit and vers one (dawnthread lining) right?
neon elk
Yap , u can use either 2 of the same or 1 of each
queen hemlock
Did a 10
Cant time it
Having problems in the bee section
The boss itself is pretty ass as first pull grabbing aggro on the adds is quite hard (idk do you guys just leap out and clap or something)
And final sting being so fucked
Cinderbrew
Any tips?
thin wigeon
Yap , u can use either 2 of the same or 1 of each
Ah alright, was a bit confused, thanks for the clarification!
brisk rain
Cinderbrew
Any tips?
gotta run to them, clap, heroic throw, taunt, anything
neon elk
Did a 10
Cant time it
Having problems in the bee section
The boss itself is pret...
Yea the adds are pain , i usualy taunt one charge anoter or so, people can get a hit or two there , if your group is solid they stack so u can agro better . Final sting just pop spell block .
brisk rain
they aggro only after taking dmg afaik
queen hemlock
At best i get to taunt 1 throw one and the other will be licking someone's ass into oblivion
I guess i gotta ask them to stack
brisk rain
At best i get to taunt 1 throw one and the other will be licking someone's ass i...
heroic throw another one
queen hemlock
Spell block is enough?
Tho there are 3 packs with those shit and manu times even with wall i kinda fold to them
brisk rain
or just run to them
queen hemlock
or just run to them
Ah oke
I think i just need more practice then
idle copper
M+ is wild, I have dungeons on 10, and 11 on priory. The ones I lack on 10 are.....
10 Brewery is cancer
lofty warren
Since America won world first again is it correct to say that they don't even have any competition anymore?
sweet summit
BRAZIL NUMERO UNO!!!!!!!
short apex
Since America won world first again is it correct to say that they don't even ha...
why tf would anyone ever bait in class discords
lofty warren
How is it bait when its a real question
sharp gale
10 Brewery is cancer
I kinda enjoy it
For final sting, I just stormbolt 1 to not be synced or mass stun to just kill them in the stun
On my dk 2 sting at same time one shot me, but I have grip to cancel the cast
neon elk
I kinda enjoy it
Damn man i have to step up my brewery neck farm .. dung is pain but gotta love those big pulls u can do there, especialy begining when u pump 10m , so juicy
idle copper
I kinda enjoy it
Fair play I've only just done it a couple of times atm - pugs have been massively eclectic.
Having plenty of groups not using Def/potions or CC but will land casts before charge has hit...
sharp gale
Fair play I've only just done it a couple of times atm - pugs have been massivel...
idk every time i do the dungeon it's really chill + big packs
just the bee boss i don't like
vocal flame
Since America won world first again is it correct to say that they don't even ha...
they should just rename it the Echo v Liquid competition
sharp gale
what i end up doing most of the time, i have 100 % count (i don't death march every trash of the dungeon) if i have a soothe in the group
what is planned to do*
keen heron
Anyone got a working tank buster WA for s2
violet ginkgo
not really the best we do is look at sense's document and then just try to memorize
wide charm
What's better?
665 gallywix shield or myth crafted shield?
toxic pewter
myth shield
wide charm
What's it gonna be --- like 5k block? Something like that, some stats obv etc
Does the titan of industry equip proc not make up for that y'all think?
toxic pewter
shield our most important slot, obviously the damage proc from titan of industry is nice to have.. but the highest ilvl shield we can acquire is more important
lyric galleon
What to craft After Shield.
Weapon?
cerulean tusk
Weapon, then embellished items sounds likely based on just logic. I am certain Nome mentions crafting order in his guide #protection-faq
frosty mango
10 Brewery is cancer
It’s really not as bad as people think, I think most tanks really don’t grasp the skills of the mobs and try to chain together packs with a bunch of dangerous shit
The timer is very lenient so there are a few sketchy pulls you can split
The pull coming out of the hallway into the bee boss room is always a shit show so I just split that, walk in - spawn bees, Los them back
Trying to grapple with 3 final stings on groups that aren’t great at stops also is a good way to get clapped as a tank
cerulean tusk
Ain't dangerous if ppl interrupt and do stops. Before you start the key, just say "a interrupt volley, b take beestial wrath, c take 2n wrath" then you work as flex interupts.
Final sting can be solo handled by yourself, but if you are on Voice you can coordinate
frosty mango
Did you miss the part where I said groups that arent great with stops lol
cerulean tusk
The flamethrower is great to buy time to mass aoe those parts
frosty mango
Some of these pugs out here don’t even have that shit bound I swear
cerulean tusk
If you do the part I mentioned, even pugs manage. Don't worry
frosty mango
Regularly see rets that don’t hoj, priests that don’t shackle in top, lots of taurens who don’t even know warstomp exists
But anyway my point was people usually brick keys by being overzealous when if they would just split a few pulls they would likely have timed the key
IMO that’s true up to very high levels
Until timers start to get truly tight
wide charm
I've gotten my 11s this week and frankly, mages seem to just not have counterspell on their UI
Brewery isn't bad--- seen a few groups that wanted to be extremely risky with Chewie at the start though
small steeple
Yeah chewy is a monster
Pull Right side of room with lust
kill chewy
pull left side
profit
unborn island
At best i get to taunt 1 throw one and the other will be licking someone's ass i...
The issue I found with this is the overlap of the tank debuff expiring with when the bees spawn, if a melee decides to attack the one you charge when your debuff expires, they'll get 1shot. It's a bit of a mess tbh.
Paladins probably just throw a shield that hits them all.
wide charm
The issue I found with this is the overlap of the tank debuff expiring with when...
to handle this, I heroic throw 2 of the spawns and charge taunt another out of the debuff dropping
unborn island
Ooh that's a good idea
wary plaza
Curious, i see prot dmg is insane, will they get nerfed at all?
was thinking of llving one
wooden widget
how much haste for itf in dungeons?
wary plaza
for pve
jagged pier
soon, as race is over if it happens
wary plaza
race isnt over yet?
small steeple
well race for first is over, but now its races for second I guess
wooden widget
is 25% pre itf the threshhold still for shield block uptime
jagged pier
well race for first is over, but now its races for second I guess
already done
neon elk
How does raid loot works exactly ? Rolled highest for item, 2 people didnt roll at all , timer ended , still didnt get my item
jagged pier
was it considered off spec loot for u
neon elk
No main
unborn island
Curious, i see prot dmg is insane, will they get nerfed at all?
My gut says probably, but intellectually it makes no sense. We have no other utility and Paladins etc played well do similar damage. The damage is our utility.
jagged pier
yer blizz dont care about
and in terms of raid prot is a little far ahead
in keys not so much
but bliz balance around raid so im expecting to see us nerfed
small steeple
My gut says probably, but intellectually it makes no sense. We have no other uti...
and vdh played well also does roughly equivalent damage in m+
frosty mango
but bliz balance around raid so im expecting to see us nerfed
This was my exact call too. They’ll nerf the shit out of prot damage because of raid but offer us nothing in way of survival (despite being the squishiest tank this tier)
It’s the blizzard way
mighty valley
This was my exact call too. They’ll nerf the shit out of prot damage because of...
what stats are you looking at to call prot warrior the squishiest
neon elk
was it considered off spec loot for u
So any guess? It was my main spec , and 2 people didnt roll at all, are they still eligible to roll when timer ends or something ?
jagged pier
i cant tell without screenshots
its ither
u didnt actually win
its not what the game considers your main spec, because it chooses based on what spec u are set as
or it bugged
maybe u get it in the mail
frosty mango
what stats are you looking at to call prot warrior the squishiest
Largely our ability to mitigate both rot and magic damage over protracted periods and the prevalence of that in keys this season
jagged pier
has nothing to do with raid tho
frosty mango
Which is precisely why blizz won’t care
jagged pier
and therefore nothing to do with tuning based off of the raid
frosty mango
Some type of second charge of spell block or cdr on spell block would go a long way for wars without being broken I think
jade hazel
Anotha one
bitter sparrow
Should I just say screw it and replace old tier 2 set for +35ish ilvl across the two items
unborn island
Yes
bitter sparrow
Thanks
devout rivet
Dawnthread Lining and Duskthread Lining are still the best option for Embellishments, right? Any particular slot piece or just to replace the lowest gear I have currently on?
viral jackal
Bracers are one for sure
upbeat gate
Is there Any special thing I need to know to deal that much damage in keys or is it just demolish paired with cds when it glows ??
jagged pier
press buttons on cd
upbeat gate
Ok thank you.
ebon geyser
the free raid box, should i open in prot or dps
strong forum
Depends what you want
gentle ore
what can you get ? i guess no weapons
Can get anything for the lootspec you’re in.
So if unsure, read pins for vault
wide charm
Largely our ability to mitigate both rot and magic damage over protracted period...
where in what key does this really have a big impact though?
I feel like if you cycle spell reflect, spell block, shield wall, and for specific big hits you can use avatar (with immovable object)
IDK, I don't really feel squishy at any point in keys this season
frosty mango
Motherload, parts of cinderbrew, start of rookery
I’m not saying “we are squishy” I’m saying other tanks have more tools to deal with constant magic or rot
And I’d gladly trade some damage for more tools
wide charm
Oh sure- likewise.
I've timed all 3 of those on 11s and never felt at risk though
I guess I don't have the perspective of playing other tanks
frosty mango
I don’t really feel it until 12-13 this season, unless the healer is a Druid
Druids just seem to struggle
We tried (and failed) 13 motherlode and the second to last boss caught me completely off guard with how hard it hit me with those missiles
Once I was out of spell block/wall they were chunking
hardy snow
If i get 2h 652 wep, shouldnt I have free upgrades for 1h/shield up to 652?
wide charm
Rixxa? Doesn't she only auto-atk you?
frosty mango
No she shoots fire missiles at you that hit really fucking hard if you’re out of melee for like even a second
I didn’t even know it was a mechanic until I got pasted in that 13
wide charm
Oh, I've done that place a bunch and I never knew that xD How on earth were you triggering that mechanic??
frosty mango
Didn’t have charge up so I heroic threw on the pull to position and she absolutely blasted me
wide charm
Interesting.... is it spell reflectable?
frosty mango
I think mitigate but not reflect/deflect
wide charm
icic --- that's wild though, good to know I guess
frosty mango
frosty mango
That’s not the best example because I think you can plan that with movement
wide charm
That boss hits like a fucking bus in general -- it's kind of wild
there are just periods of ZERO incoming damage
frosty mango
But last boss is pretty rough for wars imo and a lot of the cinderbrew trash can be awful
wide charm
and then all of a sudden through shield block she is meleeing you for 4m
wide charm
I swear I read physical damage in the combat log before but I'll pay closer attention next time
frosty mango
It’s definitely fire damage I went and clipped it looked at the log after I was getting trucked, I main disc and our tank is a dh and healing him there was a billion times easier
hardy snow
shouldn't I be able to upgrade without crests? how does it works with 2h and offhands?
frosty mango
Try changing to arms
Equipping the 2h
Then upgrading shield
But I think for shield/1h you gotta upgrade both independently?
hardy snow
Tried both arms and fury
Actually first tried arms, then tried fury to ensure having something in both hands XD
frosty mango
Is that two hander an int staff?
kind glen
Lmao it's the same icon of a an AGI staff I have
frosty mango
It looks like voltaic storm caller and if so I don’t think you can use non spec weapons as upgrade slots
I think it needs to be a str weapon but I’m only partially sure there
kind glen
But if you just upgraded something, sometimes you have to log out and back in to allow you to upgrade. Might not be applicable here, but it's happened to me a few times.
hardy snow
Is that two hander an int staff?
yes, does it matter?
pallid quiver
It does need to be something for your spec, yeah
hardy snow
shiet :v thanks for help
hardy snow
Yeah, nobody in team wanted it, so I thought about upgrade 😄
undone beacon
Between a hero pacemaker and a hero tome, I've got so much crit. Worth swapping to mud for push keys?
broken cove
in terms of food buff; primary stat is better than secondary stat for all tanks right?
round pendant
damn some cinderbrew packs HURT
also what is with blizz's obsession with putting packs so close to eachother
this season is buttpull city
also I dropped indomitable for bsv 😔
I'm one of those
lusty grotto
its fine
round pendant
yeah
also the big guys at the end of floodgate
are obnoxious af
love how someone buttpulls the sleeping one every time too
lusty grotto
Tried both arms and fury
2h equip into arms, then relog
if that doesnt work, then yes it has to be a strength weap
first part always work for me, but i dont fuck around with int/agi 2h
there's 0 need to go into fury
or having two of them
round pendant
gotta say I'm not enjoying defender's aegis
lusty grotto
well nerfed IW feels worse
toxic pewter
what's not to like about defenders aegis 2 shield walls on 2 min cd pretty good
pallid quiver
gotta say I'm not enjoying defender's aegis
i like it because it lets me extend avatar for as long as possible on a big pull or to have avatar for the very start of sequential semi-big pulls thanks to io 🙂
fervent sentinel
is the demo hotfix already live?
toxic pewter
what demo hotfix
idle copper
anyone able to recommend a weak aura that shows when a party member has aggro?
rugged spear
anyone able to recommend a weak aura that shows when a party member has aggro?
I know at least elvui changes nameplate color depending on who has threat
Not sure if that’s what you are looking for
round pendant
what's not to like about defenders aegis 2 shield walls on 2 min cd pretty good
well no you only get 1 shield wall every 2 minutes
only 1 recharges at a time
small steeple
Well it shortens the cd by 1 minute from 3 too 2, and anger management applies, so you get way more uptime
round pendant
yeah it's just once you spend that second charge you've cucked yourself for 2x the CD
spending the second charge feels terrible
I don't like it
small steeple
yeah it's just once you spend that second charge you've cucked yourself for 2x t...
how is that for 2x the CD? You will still be regening the 1 charge, so don't think of it as using the second charge to come in, you just count the most recent charge as the charge you just spent
round pendant
actually yeah you're right
ig it's different when you consider AM
and having that 1 charge on cd is good since you'll always be reducing it
I wasn't considering am when thinking about it
small steeple
yeah, I try to always have 1 on cd, just so I don't waste usaged/lose them due to never using it
small steeple
IW honestly was really strong
Made sense it got nerfed, but it lost like half its value when it lost the rage gen
round pendant
I'm tired of this circlet just giving me perma -3k haste
How do you guys deal with Bee Venom
or did I just pull too many bee-lets
used shield wall still bled out 😔
unborn island
What key level?
pallid quiver
How do you guys deal with Bee Venom
The one that's magic dispellable? The thing that's a healer mechanic?
pallid quiver
the answer is to either be a dorf and do more damage that you only need your one self-dispel, have a prot pala in your party for some reason to spellwarding you, or
have your healer press their button
toxic pewter
druid healers are great
hollow flower
how good do you guys feel the stein from brewary is?
round pendant
The one that's magic dispellable? The thing that's a healer mechanic?
IS IT
can disc priests dispel it?
round pendant
What key level?
+8 lol
oh magic dispel
yeah wtf so the priest just didn't dispel it? nice I love puggers
pallid quiver
disc priests can even mass dispel it while normal dispel is on cd
pallid quiver
a lot of pug healers hate their dispel keybind
it means they can't pump hps as much
round pendant
dude was 3.1k rio last season so I figured he'd be ok
his cd usage was bad
he used barrier once
and now this
pallid quiver
io is meaningless
pallid quiver
I had a mage in Cinderbrew who pulled a whopping 1m DPS on the starting mass pull who was 3k io and outgeared me
pallid quiver
I mean you have to have your head screwed on to get 3.1k no??
nope
You have to be in a group that has cleared
The best way to do that is to have friends
You can get carried real hard by other players if they're all good, even as tank or heals
round pendant
his friend was also 3.1k last season and 1.56m overall
pallid quiver
You have to reach like actual world first keys for it to start being a limting factor
round pendant
I did 1.87m (long key)
pallid quiver
You can definitely get title while still being poopy, especially if you pay for it or have friends
pallid quiver
Like if you were to get 3k io this week, hot damn, you're cracked
round pendant
but 2 or 3 puggers and the game is completely different
hard mode
I never strive for title, I just want the rewards and portals
pallid quiver
The only way to really vet people consistently is to actually view their logs directly and see what they're doing
but that takes a lot of time, so most people won't wait for that
round pendant
I'm just happy it wasn't my fault I died
Is there a way I can see what debuffs he dispelled in the log?
I can see he dispelled me 8 times in the whole dungeon but idk how many of those were bee venom
round pendant
hmm he did dispel it 9 times
8 times on me
missed it both times I died though
didn't spec mass dispel either
jagged gust
Are all mini boss spawns in ToP able to be controlled or is it only known for Rek the Hardened and Advent Nevermore
viral jackal
Could be a bought account.
I’ve seen a few people who were 3k in season 1 and play season 2 like they’ve never played wow before
jagged gust
You'd be surprised how quickly you forget how to play the game
viral jackal
Are all mini boss spawns in ToP able to be controlled or is it only known for Re...
I don’t think all can be
round pendant
I just can't believe he only used barrier once
the most insane cd
once
and that new penitence ability I forget the exact name
the flying shit
3 times
strong forum
what healer class yall hate the most?
rsham cuz 99% of them dont use even half their toolkit
no windrush, no kicks, no stuns, no knockups, no curse dispel, no roots or slows
and also going oom 24/7 cuz they only chainheal
"i play chainheal talents so its the only healing spell i know"
literally 60% mana 20seconds into any fight
strong forum
yeah but if you just start using NON chain heal
you do save shittons more
and learn to heal with surge/wave and cds
normal crag
Hi guys, I'm new to prot and wanted to ask something.
Why can't I see Ravager in any of the Colossus builds I see
is there a reason it's not being played?
strong forum
where do you not see ravager being taken?
normal crag
Wowhead
normal crag
I don't see it in any of the raid builds
strong forum
oh raid builds
normal crag
Yeah
strong forum
cuz battering ram is more dmg in ST
but you can just remove indomitable to get ravager instead
indomitable really doesnt hold up this patch
i dont even play it in push keys rn
errant coral
Is the big red button any good for m+?
strong forum
nope
normal crag
but you can just remove indomitable to get ravager instead
that won't affect the raid builds?
Cause I feel like I am missing a lot of rage at my opener without it
strong forum
just move the point from indomitable to ravager
normal crag
Thanks 😄
lament forge
so whats a decent IP uptime with colossus in m plus this season? no set pieces yet
can keep SB up basically 100% but IP not so much
jagged gust
It is what it is
IP uptime is determined by how much rage you generate and how much damage you take, so it's naturally going to vary depending on key level
lament forge
ive had anywhere from low 70s to upper 80s for IP
jagged gust
I'm only running 8-10s and generally seeing 80-90%, but it's not something I'm actively tracking in game or in logs
62% when I was playing really poorly
lament forge
sounds similar to me, most of the time its in the mid 80s
round cliff
whats this wowhead virgin talking about
"he he he he i cant let blizz know my secret tech"
whats the tech
tulip raft
Assume he's talking bout If you split the mob that's dying far enough away the other mobs hp don't reset
cyan bronze
whats this wowhead virgin talking about
“Some people probably already know what i mean…”
round cliff
damn
i straight up cant be bothered then
they die fast anyways
do auto-markers still work? i need 1
or do i need to mark things manually
stray sonnet
o ok
round cliff
not great
stray sonnet
probablt at least better than my 610 tank trinket from last tier right? Throngu's finger
heavy sparrow
What is the difference between 11 fortified and a 12?
idle copper
Earthrager on Azzerok fight (motherload) - Puts a dot on players if it touches them - Is that just for the focused player or any player (including the tank) that touches it?
idle copper
Quazzi says the fixate mob adds a dot - is that dot just for the fixated player?
lusty grotto
the empowered one gives you bleeds
so no, its not just for the fixated player
the fixates only add a dot if they reach the person
so basically you get bleeds if you tank it
any of them
if the person is kiting, they wont get bleeds
if its empowered you are forced to tank them, so you will get bleed stacks
does that make sense?
whoever is kiting a fixate if done correctly will never get a bleed
lusty grotto
Earthrager on Azzerok fight (motherload) - Puts a dot on players if it touches t...
no
"touching" doesnt mean what you think it means
idle copper
Makes sense thank you
delicate ore
I’m New with prot, rn I’m runing +10 and +11 but sometimes i struggle with Agroo . Any Tips?
lusty grotto
get a better weapon
ilvl > all
and do more dps
weapon base damage is only affected by ilvl, and that goes into all of your abilities
so your abilities hit harder = more threat
lusty grotto
2/6? ehh
delicate ore
Probably getting better DPS trinkets?
lusty grotto
not really
also your shield blows
but that will only affect defensiveness
craft
delicate ore
Okok
lusty grotto
shield and weapon
lusty grotto
nothing
its like 1.2% more dps on an equal track
that weapon blows
should go to dps
lusty grotto
plenty of good weapons in keys
lusty grotto
darkflame also has a good one https://www.wowhead.com/item=221096/rail-riders-bisector
just craft it lmao
stray sonnet
would it be a waste to craft a 1h weapon on prot?
lusty grotto
no
stray sonnet
i already crafted a shield
lusty grotto
scroll up
round cliff
just craft it lmao
i need to craft bracers and belt
my bracers are s1 and my belt is adventurer track
lusty grotto
nothing more important than weppy and shield
not even ilvl on those slots
they have so little item budget in comparison
or power gain
round cliff
fair
dont wanna craft a wep if im opening vault in prot spec for a shield tho
cuz im gonna get a vault wep if i do
round cliff
im tanking 7+s without taking any damage so im not in a rush anyways
unborn island
Don't suppose anyone knows if there's a source of runed crests which is outside of the cap? I know some quest rewards skip it
round cliff
ill b patient
unborn island
Just got a weapon but I'd spaffed all of my runed already like a moron
lusty grotto
hmm
no
as far as i know, no
why didnt you use the free enchanted runed from story mode?
unborn island
Yeah, saving spark for after vault, I'v got piles of gilded because I stockpule like an ape
Just need 15 rune to upgrade this weapon once lol
Grr
I'm such an idiot 🙂
lusty grotto
oh you werent talking about crafted
vocal pewter
is there a way to macro intervene so I can mouseover a party frame rather than the actual character model?
remote anchor
yea just like any other mouseover macro
lusty grotto
all mouseover works on frames
idk how youre making yours but it if its @mouseover it works on frames
strong forum
The macro on wowhead should work just fine?
surreal thunder
Anyone have a heroic throw mouseover macro i can steal? im having trouble finding one that works
lusty grotto
does the wowhead guide not have one?
sick sentinel
Offtopic question
Hey guys. I wanted to make my transmog collection Bigger. I want to buy Cheap transmog in the ah. For example all things under 100 Gold that i dont have. But it take so much time . Ist there a addon or macro to help this to Speed up ?
So much shields and so on its extreme time consuming without help
stray sonnet
Offtopic question
Hey guys. I wanted to make my transmog collection Bigger. I ...
here's a cheap xmog
my warrior
except the feet
sick sentinel
XD
stray sonnet
just a shirt, free blue arms from traders, helm is vanilla
sick sentinel
Im Maghar orc with garrosh transmog. Favorite transmog
stray sonnet
pants idk
sick sentinel
I just want to make my plate and warrior collection bigger
But my hand hurts to buy so much items
Im get a warrior myself with this slow System
sick sentinel
Maybe my Englisch is not so good and i ask Wrong. For example.
I want to buy all shields under 100g , there are 80 different Listings. So i need to buy and Look 80 items. I can only do it with 10 items cause there are double listing. Than i need to click Post. And than i need to take it on. This takes so much time
Why you cant make a set up and buy all in one time. All shields under 100 Gold that u dont have. Would be much better
lusty grotto
no idea
lusty grotto
thats why i mentioned it
but im not going to explain TSM for this very specific scenario
mighty valley
I’d ask on the woweconomy subreddit
or whatever it’s called
They probably do similar bulk AH purchases a lot
but yknow, to make money
unborn island
Just had a monk healer, who repeatedly ROP'd a big stack of mobs I was tanking to be behind me throughout the course of a rookery
Then decided to tell me I was squishy >.<
Not sure if troll, but seems likely
lusty grotto
troll
cause if he's random RoPing and pushing mobs behind you, you will get back hits
and therefore become "squishy"
unborn island
Yeah
toxic pewter
Average monk player
unborn island
Does that happen to all tanks? I assume so
lusty grotto
just blacklist him and go next key
unborn island
Like, is there a tank which is equally squishy from behind?
lusty grotto
vdhs
toxic pewter
Druids feel ok in my opinion
lusty grotto
other tanks are fine since its armor what they get
unborn island
Oh I know he was an idiot, I just was amazed that they...just didn't seem to know what they were doing
strong forum
We're the most susceptible to getting our cheeks clapped
Because we don't have self healing in any form
Vdh and bdk healing scales with dmg taken
So, as long as they survive the hit, they can recover from it
lusty grotto
true
strong forum
Paladin gets trashed by any form of auto attack but they have high armor
They can't guarantee block but get "more" cds and absorbs and their conscecration stuff
undone beacon
Bear is my favorite alt tank for shitter keys cuz you just kinda hid thrash moonfire iron fur and live
strong forum
cinderbrew?
what did you struggle with?
i find the dungeon incredibly ... underwhelming
first pull is the hardest
after that is just omega pull after omega pull
sharp gale
it dropped but i'm on my fucking dk and no one wants it
lusty grotto
feelsbadman
mighty valley
Not sure if troll, but seems likely
I knew a monk who did it on cd in the middle of the pack because “I thought maybe it would help to have a break”
lots of ways in wow to be unhelpful without being an intentional troll
gentle gate
Hey guys I just started tanking this season, is it normal to occasionally (once or twice a dungeon) lose threat? Mostly in 10s to my groups dps shaman but it's frustrating
strong forum
gathering pulls is really painful this season
not a fan
once youre setup nothing hurts
but getting everything to stack up and have good threat until it is stacked up
is just...
bad
mighty valley
If it’s a fixed group you should just ask them to hold off a couple seconds til everything’s together
gentle gate
It is, and I've tried but the shaman loves to hit cds immediately haha
Just wanted to see if it's a common issue or not
lost glacier
Anything wrong with crafting a 1h and a shield? or would 2 other piece would be better. I've tried to look on murlok and raider.io, but it seems mixed
toxic pewter
Do you see yourself getting mythic track weapon and shield
lost glacier
With my luck in the vault, nah
lost glacier
Bet, ty!
toxic pewter
I crafted a weapon myself just cuz it’s fun lol
But maybe wait until Tuesday vault if you want maybe can get a weapon or shield in there
toxic pewter
Cool
lost glacier
Thanks a lot
ruby musk
14 rook runs later, I finally got a hero helm to cata for 4 pc
Now I get to live my life among the beees
lusty grotto
why rook, theres at least 4 other dungeons that drop helms
strong forum
is quick
ruby musk
Rook was the fastest
lusty grotto
ah yeah that makes sense
ruby musk
Still no sign of another ring or trinket but maybe I'll get lucky with vault
ruby musk
Not a huge one, but colo got love for this season and is fun to play
alpine ravine
yeah just ran a low key on colossus and felt like i was out of rage perma, is there anything specific i should be looking out for/playing around?
flat peak
Just a quick question I was wondering do I wear old 4p until I get new 4p? Or do I run new 2p+old 2p? I main protadin and this is an alt so I don't know and just hoping for a quick easy answer besides "sim yoself" since I'm wondering for survivability as well as dam 🫠
ruby musk
Be careful with how much you're pressing IP, you need to do it less than thane
undone beacon
You just need to be more conscious of your rage and not send every drop you get all the time
ruby musk
It is a bit slower gameplay than thane was. 17k+ haste will smoth out the rotation and feed rage but you'll need to watch how much you send
undone beacon
Just a quick question I was wondering do I wear old 4p until I get new 4p? Or d...
Drop old 4pc for new pieces
alpine ravine
yea maybe its just because im used to thane
lusty grotto
Just a quick question I was wondering do I wear old 4p until I get new 4p? Or d...
sim
flat peak
Drop old 4pc for new pieces
🙏 Thank you
lusty grotto
new 2pc is instant swap
alpine ravine
It is a bit slower gameplay than thane was. 17k+ haste will smoth out the rotati...
only have arnd 15k now so ill try and hit that
do we go haste crit or haste vers
ruby musk
only have arnd 15k now so ill try and hit that
Run heavy repercussions if until you get over 17k. It'll also help with how much you're spamming.
lusty grotto
either is fine
alpine ravine
ok
undone beacon
dump everything go mastery big blocks = better obv 5head
lusty grotto
but pushing i kinda mix it up
alpine ravine
dump everything go mastery big blocks = better obv 5head
lusty grotto
mastery big AP
ruby musk
I run haste/crit primary but sim drops just in case I'm over something
lusty grotto
mastery isnt an "avoid" stat, all stats are good for us
ruby musk
^
undone beacon
Between Tome, Pacemaker, and some unfortunate ring drops I am a walking crit bomb
ruby musk
lol
toxic gyro
Could someone link WA for our tier set proc please?