protection

[sharp gale]

Sharpshooters

[lusty grotto]

the sharpshooters jump to agro

just grab agro and wait

they'll jump in eventually

[cerulean tusk]

^

[livid granite]

do you guys go left or right stairs on priory

[sharp gale]

They really jump on aggro ? I thought it was on ranges

[cerulean tusk]

They do it 15 sec ish in at worst, ain't an issue

[lusty grotto]

right stairs

[sharp gale]

I go left

[pallid quiver]

don't believe his lies

they'll simply get pulled to the DK who is off in the middle of nowhere

[livid granite]

most pugs i guess are programmed into left

[cerulean tusk]

They jump to place caltrops, if ppl are stacked in melee, they go into melee

[pallid quiver]

for some strange, arcane reason

[sharp gale]

(It’s the only dungeon i have a route)

[lusty grotto]

most pugs hate the right mini boss

for good reason

its ass if it doesn't blow up

but it has sweet reflectables

[cerulean tusk]

The smith? I still got nightmares from PTR

[lusty grotto]

uhh im on monster hunter atm

[livid granite]

idd a nightmare lol

[lusty grotto]

the fire all over the place guy

with the fireblast slow

[sharp gale]

I tried right / fire bullet hell, I will never go there again in pug

[cerulean tusk]

Oh well, I am off. Notche don't go attack mode on a guy just having a good day

Gl in yer keys peepos

[livid granite]

good night funky , god bless you

[lusty grotto]

just look at my fucking cat

get HDR'd

[sharp gale]

Fury chat taught me what hdr is

[livid granite]

[sharp gale]

I turned it off after they showed me how to turn it on

[livid granite]

i have been playing with hdr these days i read it's not healthy for the eyes .

[lusty grotto]

i like it, but its weird for when you stream

[sharp gale]

I don’t see the difference, i had to turn way up contrast in wow to be able to be pleasant

[lusty grotto]

well youre not supposed to

[sharp gale]

And in discord stream it was Picasso painting

[lusty grotto]

as in, it should be easy on your own eyes

so youre not like OH FUCK FLASHBANGED

which is what happens when you stream on twitch or discord

[livid granite]

lol flashbanged

[sharp gale]

Tbh I never played in hdr, games post PS3 are beautiful enough for me I have very low bar

one of my fav game is Kenshi

[livid granite]

i thought this was taken from Final fantasy xiv online

[lusty grotto]

nah monster hunter

[sharp gale]

Show us your mog

[lusty grotto]

its terrible

i need to figure out what sets im gonna do etc so im just rocking whatever i used for the last missiosn

[sharp gale]

It can’t be worst than my char in the end epic cinematic

Clown mog for the final cutscene ahh

[lusty grotto]

its just rathalos stuff

with uhh

[chilly brook]

@shut summit Just looking at some of your keys, I'm seeing you're running ravager over battering ram in push keys?

[sharp gale]

I THOUGHt you had no pants

[lusty grotto]

lmaooo

[devout rivet]

Its worth replacing the previous 2p with better gear? Talking about +40ilvl difference, I already have 2p / 2p from the new season

[lusty grotto]

i wanna build a flayer + partbreaker set

depends on sims

my sims said to keep at least 2pc on the slots with lower item budget

i.e. shoulders + gloves

6/6 myth pieces though

so it really depends on what you have

sim it out

[chilly brook]

what Nim said, sim it

[tacit gorge]

hey, can any1 tell me the big diff between thane and colossus in m+? is one tankier then the other? or similar?

[lusty grotto]

similar

[young wasp]

colussus is burstier with stack management. thane is spam thunderclap

[lusty grotto]

colossus is just a a lot more damage

colossus has no stack management

[wicked pollen]

colo requires rage to press revenge to keep ip up

mr nim

how have you been

[lusty grotto]

ive been good

how about you

[wicked pollen]

ive been come a decent prot player

[lusty grotto]

nice!

[wicked pollen]

only know how to dps

not gather

[lusty grotto]

yeah well play big tc

it'll help

[wicked pollen]

big tc sucks balls over more rage

but yeah

[lusty grotto]

just swap fear/intervene/stormbolt for it

[wicked pollen]

what do you think i could drop to get demo shout cdr

[lusty grotto]

i dont recommend it

you want it to align with troar

[wicked pollen]

i want it to have it up for each demolish window

😦

[lusty grotto]

it kind of aligns

45s 45s

[wicked pollen]

have to ysually delay 3-7 seconds but yeah

[lusty grotto]

if you play cdr, it wont align

yup

[wicked pollen]

nah demolish just never aligns

[lusty grotto]

by big tc i meant crackling thunder

not thunderlord

[wicked pollen]

yaya

either way colo is fun

just wish it didnt get nerfed from before

we would probably be doing 15-20% more damage

[sharp gale]

I use wall to avatar demolish

But only did 2 10s with my warrior for now so it didn’t kill me after wasting my def cd

[wicked pollen]

i do that too but not having demo roar for demolish feels so bad

[sharp gale]

Do you have sometime weird aggro shit happen on pull, I did a workshop and I took the first 2 pack with bombs, I blast first dps in burst but lose aggro like wtf

Like WDYM I lose aggro on that little mf in the middle of the death zone where im throwing 6m dps

[livid granite]

ya gio ya gio you are in arms channel and here , are you a tank or dps now

[rocky crest]

does anyone wanna share logs from high keys as demo ?

also colossus does feel more " squishy" or maybe it's my lack of intelligence to play it properly -_-

[unborn dragon]

You just get less rage to spend on ignore pain

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt feel squishier

[jagged pier]

we would need your logs to tell what your doing

[chilly brook]

LET'S GOOOOOOO

[keen heron]

Can someone confirm prot warriors can do the Mecha last boss skip, by just pulling both packs and taking it to a corner and partty mass rez's ?

My understanding is nobody in party can tag, so that'd imply no healer in 11-12 pulling both packs into a corner with every cd and maybe pot and then just dying

[rocky crest]

You can leap up to the robots , TC and then charge down towards the pack

and drag everything in a corner. if you survive long enough the party can sneak past

[rocky crest]

aight I really need to set those up tbh

[rocky crest]

yeah

[rocky crest]

🫡

[chilly brook]

Define high keys?

I’ve logged most of my keys

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/77622894?zone=43&metric=dps

Working on 12s at the moment, not sure if 11s/12s is “high” enough

[rocky crest]

11-12 are the ones

that I'm searching for atm

thank you sir

[chilly brook]

Feel extremely sturdy as colo

[sick sentinel]

how do the Rage changes feel on Prot now?

havent played in a month

hoping i dont feel forced to mash IP non stop anymore to stop capping on rage ever 2 seconds

[wicked pollen]

what does this have to do with anything

[idle copper]

stupid question sorry - In Theatre of Pain. First pull, lock imprisoned one of the mobs on the left - I charged into one of the other mobs and broke the imprison - Do I leap past the mobs there so I dont break the imprison, or ranged pull them back?

Also do we still kill the imprisoned mob after? The pack doesnt seem that hard?

[unborn island]

Haven't done 12s but 11s feel fine with healers not really even pumping the overall numbers I was seeing on 14s last season

Most issues have been people just being less familiar with mechanics so brainfarts

[unborn island]

Does imprison allow you to skip on that side?

[idle copper]

got an answer off another channel - basiucally its tyo skip and then pull onto first (proper) boss while RP is happening

seems like itd save 10 seconds :)

[unborn island]

Yeah, you don't pull the 3 guys, just the bull mob after

[idle copper]

ah

so not the whole pack

[unborn island]

And pull that onto the boss

Yea, that's the way I do it, anyway

[idle copper]

cool thank you

im down stairs practicing "route" on normal, anyway out without Hearth stoning? (as in not clearing dungeon)

[unborn island]

No idea 🙂

[crisp crown]

i'm unsure to use my 636 S1 crafted shield or a 2/6 hero track shield with bad stats. Do we use sims for this as tanks?

[rancid tiger]

Recraft shield to 675?

Else id prob up the shield to 4/6 and use it

[crisp crown]

The issue is that i play multispec so putting crafts in something that can only be used in 1 spec feels bad

i play both arms and prot

[rancid tiger]

True. So 2 x dusk thread off pieces

[solid sun]

Am I reading this correctly that you use heavy repercussions? If yes, Is that because you’re lacking haste?

[rancid tiger]

Is prob good solution then make 2h 4/6 that way shield and 1h is free to uograde to same

[crisp crown]

ah damn ye that wouldve been good probably

got only 1 spark left atm tho

[next mason]

yo yo

is mugzees fist weapon viable for tanking ?

[jagged pier]

higher ilvl shield is always better

[spiral mirage]

What's better for main hand enchant for m+, authority of the depths or radiant power?

[hollow tusk]

guys on sprocket, do you need to wall before the barrel explodes or before the boss applies it to you?
i initially assumed it was before explosion but ive seem some weird things happening, i'm very new to taking as well so i hve no clue 🫡

[unborn island]

What's the general consensus on crest usage at this point? I don't raid mythic, so I get at most 1M piece per week, which...in theory means I can upgrade some hero stuff without any losses, even with my crafting I think?

Do you guys have a plan for where to spend them? I am probably gonna hold out until after vault this week then pull trigger on a 2nd crafted + upgrading some hero stuff to max.

Of course this assumes I cap gilded every week, but that's not too hard at the moment

[hardy snow]

I've already recrafted two embelishment items with gilded, rest Im usually spending on reset day after the vault. Season is long, Im not competing for HoF rankings, so there is no need for minmaxing optimization.

[charred lodge]

Is there a breakpoint for haste when it’s generally best to switch this talent?

[unborn island]

I suppose that's a good way of looking at it, thanks 🙂

Will pray for a weapon then get my embellishments done

And maybe start spending some sparks on tier

[solid sun]

I already crafted a shield. I’m considering crafting a weapon so that I can open the vault as arms

Alternatively wait and open the vault as fury and if I get a weapon I can craft a ring

[solid sun]

I’m sorry, I don’t know the answer to this

[unborn island]

Yeah I also already did a shield, I'd love a weapon but just know that if I craft one my vault will be all weapons

[ebon geyser]

How are prot doing in keys?

[jagged pier]

fine

[ebon geyser]

I keep hearing horror stories about the bleeds

[jagged pier]

there were bleeds last season

there are bleeds now

[ebon geyser]

I leveled my 2 DPS so idk what tank to lvl bear or war

[round pendant]

War big dam

Zugzug

[ebon geyser]

Also is nom not tanking anymore, saw him yesterday in Gally has arms

[jagged pier]

he always raids as dps

[ebon geyser]

Ohh

[jagged pier]

unless hes pugging for logs on prot

[ebon geyser]

Why not tank? Is it because guild already has their tanks

Also jakey, how is our sustain?

[jagged pier]

he doesnt have a guild but his team has tanks already, and its fine

[viral jackal]

Have a champ track shield off gally but I’m flush with gilded runes.

Is it worth just crafting shield to have a top tier one for the time being?

Have hero track weapon so I’m not overly concerned with replacing it but shield is maxed at 658.

[rancid tiger]

Shield always worth it?

[sick sentinel]

Im new to protection. Should i go the wowhead way or the icy veins way? Different.
Both show me different Bis items.
I just want to mainly Focus on heroic raid and m+
Should i grind the dungeons for only krit/temp items ?

[strong forum]

you equip whatever haste item you can get your hands on

dont focus on "bis"

you cant control what the vault and raid will spit out for you

[viral jackal]

I assumed but am coming back after not having played in years. So I’m a bit new again

[potent basin]

A weapon is probably a better craft than the shield since the gallywix shield is bis

It probably does overall more damage than a crafted shield

[small steeple]

Not neccesarily. That assumse you can get a Mythic Gallywix shield which most players will never get. Leaving a myth track from vault or crafted as best possible. For shields ilvl>>>>>>>>>>everything else. And shield is most important item slot for pwar

[ebon geyser]

the way i understand this is if the shield is not mythic is not bis

[potent basin]

Heroic gallywix shield is 665 and is fine for the most part

[small steeple]

a 675 crafted is still going to be way better

[potent basin]

Perhaps for survivablity

Not damage

[small steeple]

...

[frosty mango]

Which as a tank is…..important?

some may say the most important

[neon elk]

Its better for both tho

[potent basin]

If most players are just doing heroic

Survivability isn’t the most difficult in heroic

[small steeple]

Main stat is still better than correct seccondaries, so 675 will still be better

[frosty mango]

Surv directly correlates to dps output in anything

[small steeple]

and its crafted so it does have correct secondaries...

[frosty mango]

Less rage on ip more rage on tasty revenge

[small steeple]

more go brr, more leech and more Brutal Vitality IP

Moar good

[frosty mango]

If you’re typing a novel about how you don’t need a crafted shield to do heroic raid don’t waste your time

No one is gonna disagree

[potent basin]

Idk for sure, but over long boss fights the shield’s damage stacks up

Also that being said you will gain access to bullions

[frosty mango]

Which are better spent on trinkets

[austere cosmos]

aren't bullions for raid gear only or will they be for dungeon loot as well

[potent basin]

It just depends on what you get

Prot right now has insane damage so I think it’s best to maximize your damage so that’s why I personally crafted a weapon

[small steeple]

Or you can just do both...

[frosty mango]

You can craft both weapon and shield rn

[small steeple]

No reason to not craft 675 shield unless you get one from vault in myth track. And then can upgrade it to 679? 678?

[potent basin]

Literally this

We got two sparks now

[frosty mango]

But imo if you crafted shield and have access to m+ vault it’s better to hold your spark right now to see if you get a vault weap

Then decide

[potent basin]

Exactly

[small steeple]

Thats what I'm doing, but I am hoping to get tier from my vault

[unborn island]

Yeah, going to be hard if there's a good mythic tier piece and a weapon, gonna be sadge

Hard to decide, not sadge, it's a nice problem to have 🙂

[potent basin]

I’m actually praying I get some sort of myth tier or I’m gonna cry

[small steeple]

I've got 2 myth slots in my vault, planning on getting my 3rd today and tommorow

[unborn island]

Statistically, are you less likely to get a 1h looting as fury than prot? Or is it the same chance?

[small steeple]

There are more 2h than shields

So I would say less likely as fury

[unborn island]

I assume both of our good m+ trinkets are both prot and fury

[small steeple]

Well, Tome is Tank only

[unborn island]

This is the key info, cheers 🙂

[small steeple]

And TOme trinket is amazing

[raw gyro]

do we play mountain thane?

[unborn island]

Have a heroic tome, ATM, so I'd only be taking the mythic one if the other 2 slots are way worse. Think I get more benefit from like a chest/legs or a weapon

[pallid quiver]

If you want; it does less damage, but is tankier in theory, Maurits

[raw gyro]

might try it out than, was doing a +2 as 613 and getting spanked

[pallid quiver]

If you're getting slapped by a +2 at that ilvl, swapping to Thane won't help unless you're playing Colo very detrimentally

[raw gyro]

yea was going full dmg

[small steeple]

Yeah that sounds like a misplay or mistake is being made

[pallid quiver]

There is no real going full damage other than if you consider keeping Rav over BSV or SoF over AOE interrupt

It's almost certainly more misplaying CDs or mechanics

[raw gyro]

revenge spam over IP

tought i could get away with it lmao

[pallid quiver]

that's still what you do; leech keeps you alive

You get IP passively from outbursts and brutal vit

[potent basin]

Ideally you can do that if you atleast have some Ip

And the talent that converts damage to ip

[pallid quiver]

And you supplement during higher rage gen moments with raw IP presses

[small steeple]

you can see that I cast Revenge about 100 times more than IP in this 11 DFC

[raw gyro]

hmm

[small steeple]

I find, especially in single target, that IP is still pressed a fair amount, because of the reduced rage from single target encounters

[potent basin]

The bosses you might be up against could of also not been a Prot friendly boss

Bleeds will just go through your IP

And delete it

[small steeple]

3rd boss of ML legit is like 95% unblockable magic damage

I don't even bother with shieldblock outside of the few times she auto attacks

I need so much IP

[potent basin]

Or first boss of priory

Any Prot player will struggle

Before the nerfs were absurd

[small steeple]

I hate that boss when I go left

I have to because dps pugs are stupid at times, but I way prefer going right

[potent basin]

I’ve only gone left

I trust myself more 💀

How much easier is it without the judgment add?

[small steeple]

Right makes the boss trivial. Just say you will be kicking main boss and his shouts, and leave the add kicks up to everyone else

[broken cove]

mythic rik reverb shield vs crafted?

[jagged pier]

Mythic

[small steeple]

ilvl>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>anything else

[potent basin]

If you can get your hands on the reverb shield

It’s gonna be better

it’s easier to get crafted

[jagged pier]

If u can get your hands on any mythic shield

Its going to be better

[broken cove]

damn, im so happy with my embellished shield

[round needle]

whats the other M+ build for survivablty

[potent basin]

Do you use battle scarred veteran?

[small steeple]

yuck

Only needed if you are at risk of 1 shots

[round needle]

im new to prot, i have been always a fire mage key pusher so idk what that is still xD, i saw critcake speaking about how colussus does so much dmg but the other one is for survivablty

idk where to find it

[urban bane]

i can't get a 1h to drop to save my life

[small steeple]

Check out wowhead @round needle. It's written by the amazing @strong forum

[sharp gale]

Keep spamming floodgate muse

[pallid quiver]

He likely means Mountain Thane, the other hero talent

[urban bane]

overflooded

[pallid quiver]

but critcake is, like, in the discord, so you can ask what he means

[potent basin]

Is mountain thane even better survivability?

In reality?

[sharp gale]

Just to be sure, what is your loot spec ?

[pallid quiver]

It's technically tankier since it gives more rage gen

[potent basin]

But you get more IP per cast with colossus

[small steeple]

It's close enough that the damage difference makes Col generally better

[pallid quiver]

You end up with more AM fueling and IP, but it's not an amlunt you can really put a hard value to

[urban bane]

Colossus is plenty sturdy FWIW

[pallid quiver]

You underestimate how much rage you get and are also ignoring that IP is worse than Shield Wall

[round needle]

so mountainis survivablty and colussus full on dps

[urban bane]

my loot spec is "unlucky"

[round needle]

when does coloussus start being squishy

[urban bane]

Except for my house of cards hehe

[pallid quiver]

But both are oerfectly acceptable

[pallid quiver]

Probably the same time as Thane?

[urban bane]

You'll know when colossus starts being squishy :)

[pallid quiver]

Something like tankiness is already so hard to define and value

[urban bane]

But if you're new to the spec

[potent basin]

Unironically yeah

[pallid quiver]

And sometimes, you just need things to cover mistakes

[potent basin]

If your feeling squishy as colossus it’s not the spec

It’s gonna just be you

[urban bane]

You probably will just be making mistakes haha

[round needle]

i dont feel squishy at all

i just saw crits new video

[karmic plinth]

colo is quite sturdy but is more punishing on misplay

[round needle]

so i thought id search it up

[potent basin]

And you probably won’t until top keys

And mythic bosses

[urban bane]

You can have pretty sloppy play as long as your press your buttons and keep your shield up and be a-okay even in 10s right now. So I wouldn't sweat Thane vs Colossus or anything.

Just press your buttons

[karmic plinth]

u have a little less wall uptime as thane but u have more rage to put into IP and u will have better demo shout uptime + effectiveness

[sharp gale]

Yep you maybe already are overgear for 10s idk, but col is no worry no damage taken

[round needle]

thank u kings for ur help ❤️

[potent basin]

Bleeds will shred you no matter what though

That’s the quirk of Prot

Enjoy suffering to that

[round needle]

i was doing a key 10 as coloussus amd the healer healed me less than all the dps

which was suprising

[urban bane]

Tanks are vibing and thriving so far this season it would seem

[sharp gale]

Wdym if you want to push just go dwarf dude

[small steeple]

so many different ways too. EHP, mitigation, EHRPS, etc etc. All should be taken into consideration

[sharp gale]

When I’m on my bdk, I have no clue if I’m tanky or not

100% health -> 10% repeat

[winter stone]

how do you deal with tanking the creepers in DFC with the stacking debuff? it hits giga hard, if you pull 2 at the same time youre dead

[small steeple]

BDK, consider your runic power as part of your ehp/hp

As someone who usually mains bdk, I can really go into it lol

[sharp gale]

I pull 2 and I heroic leap out at some stacks

[potent basin]

https://cdn.betterttv.net/emote/619e257bb50549e7e500b453/3x.webp

I hate dwarf abusers!!!1

[urban bane]

#protection message

[sharp gale]

Inside the cart idk how you do it

[urban bane]

Sense's advice is the best

[sharp gale]

That’s a thing I’m on easy mode as dk and I cry a little bit on my warrior

Sitting with 25-30 stacks on dk
Suffer with 5 on warrior

[winter stone]

im playing prot pala right now, i guess i can bubble for a bit

didnt know you could SR as warrior, nice info

its just hard to kite when in the cart circle

[sharp gale]

Next time I will try to just heroic leap in a candle

And kite with it 2 sec

[small steeple]

just ams before they applied on dk too

[sharp gale]

At some point the ams doesn’t last 4 sec

[winter stone]

i was about to time a 10 just now, but the creeper part owned us

[urban bane]

another weird thing about the creepers is if they are near any corpses of enemies they get buffed

idk if that was also a factor at hand for ya

[sharp gale]

That is fine for me even in the cart

I just tank adds on one side of the circle

[potent basin]

Does the DoT that the creepers put on you buffed by the corpse buff?

[sharp gale]

And when they die I go to the other side with the creeper

Yes

[potent basin]

Grim

The ability says the creepers “sometimes” put the DoT on you with an auto attack but it feels like every attack

[small steeple]

"always" is technically "sometimes"

[toxic pewter]

They need to make spell block just work on all magic dots

Just tired of spell block and its inconsistencies

All magic dots and all magic

[indigo saddle]

Hey, what should i craft if i dont get any mythic items? one hand and shield?

[small steeple]

Prot paladin says "but thats my mechanic"

[small steeple]

ya

probably

[toxic pewter]

Prot pala can even reduce bleed dot damage

Just wild

[small steeple]

They can just straight block it away. With magic dots they can 100% mitigation against it with block because the dr cap for block is only against physical damage

[toxic pewter]

Meanwhile spell block has been known to block dots but only certain ones usually on bosses but still

[toxic pewter]

Interesting

[small steeple]

My friend, have you met spell reflect?

[toxic pewter]

Lol

Just tired of all the inconsistencies of spell block and spell reflect as I get older

Just like fuck it work on everything

[small steeple]

Technically a 25% uptime, same as spell block. But yeah it's annoying how inconisistent these are

[toxic pewter]

I don’t care if I can one shot a boss

[small steeple]

Last boss of priory spell reflect can do so much damage

Solo'd entire phase 2 with just the healer on a 8. Spell reflect did 30-40% of my damage

[sick sentinel]

Should I swap to arms loot spec once i have 675 weap and shield?

[toxic pewter]

Interesting didn’t realize it can do that much dam there.. I only pug and they kick them all the time

I get some reflects off but kinda annoying they kick it mostly

I should just get a macro to yell don’t kick

[small steeple]

Try to say before fight to not kick, sometimes works

[sharp gale]

It is something that scales with key lvl, it does a shit ton Of damage

[toxic pewter]

Ok yeah I’ll do that

[potent basin]

Sense’s list of reflects is updated

100% you should take a look

[toxic pewter]

Yah just too lazy but I really should

I’ve glanced at it here and there

That spell reflect weak aura claims was updated but doesn’t really work for me

Dunno why

[small steeple]

Like look at this shit

Not as much damage as that one run, but similar thing happened again here

[potent basin]

I gotta take a look at the list I wasn’t even aware you could reflect damage on sister

Which spell is it?

[small steeple]

Holy Smite

the kickable one

[potent basin]

💀

You lost me at kickable

You think my pugs are gonna let me reflect kickable casts

[small steeple]

Just make an annoying macro saying "don't kick spell refleect up"

[cerulean tusk]

Won't work, at best it makes them kick on purpose

[potent basin]

It’s rough

[potent basin]

That’s specifically my guild runs

[small steeple]

I've seen some warriors run either a WA or addon that says when spell reflect is casted, what target, what the damage it does is

Anyone know what that is?

[potent basin]

I’ve seen that aswell but I have no idea

For the most part I feel that with pugs your kinda just going to be screwed

You have to be with a stack in order to fully take advantage of spell reflect

[waxen frigate]

annoying and pointless is what it is

[unreal ravine]

yo guys

for M+

is thane better or collo

new player as tank

[small steeple]

Not if there's a chance it stops a pug from kicking a spell I am going to reflect

[jagged pier]

pick your favourite

[waxen frigate]

I highly doubt that

[unreal ravine]

both good?

[wicked pollen]

hi

[tired forge]

is there a good time to break last seasons 4pc?

liek what ilvl?

[waxen frigate]

Yeah, colossus does more damage but thane is super simple

[small steeple]

immediately

[waxen frigate]

Immediately

The second you have ilvl upgrades

[tired forge]

jsut for ilvl?

ok cool

ty

[waxen frigate]

The s1 tier sucks

[wicked pollen]

it works 1/20 times

[jagged pier]

[small steeple]

s1 tier was below the bottom of the barrel tier

[errant leaf]

Dont even remember what it did

[cerulean tusk]

When your shieldslam reset, you gained a miniscule buff, and something something forgotten

[lament forge]

I hope the tier set helps with this but the lack of ss resets this patch feels terrible on either hero spec

[cerulean tusk]

I don't even notice. I revenge spam

[lament forge]

Yeah I try to but then my ip drops and I'm rage starved and I drop like a rock

Still trying to feel that balance between revenge and ip

[viral jackal]

S2 four tier bonus seems very good. The shield slam crits feel so beefy

[frank badge]

do we have trouble generating threat on mobs or it is just me? idk how many times dps/healer died because the aggro change

i killed so many dps to the point i have to tell people to wait extra 1-2 seconds more than usual

[potent basin]

Prot warrior has probably the best threat generation out of all the tanks

Their instant aoe burst is unrivalled

[toxic pewter]

just got tome trinket.. so I basically never want to use the 'on use' when I am in sword version of the trinket right..

only want to use it when I am in shield version and I want to swap to sword

[frank badge]

how do you group up mobs? is thunder clap + 1 revenge is not enough to keep aggro? because sometimes my healer got killed just because they apply renewing mist/shield

[potent basin]

Although fel scarred dh is good too

[potent basin]

Depending on the pull you can use thunderous roar and shield charge

You might lose a mob here or there at the beginning

[frank badge]

but its not always up, idk its so hard for me to get initial aggro

didnt have this problem in s1

i bricked +13 just because the dps died 1 second into the pull

and he was just using builder not even spender

[potent basin]

What was the pull?

Was everything spread out?

Your gonna lose aggro at the beginning of the pull if everything is very spread out it’s just the name of the game

Like for example the beginning pull of floodgate

[frank badge]

just random pull on every dungeon

not even specific

when trying to group up

[potent basin]

Keep up challenging shout for those cases where you don’t have your cooldowns

[stray sonnet]

What stats do we put on a crafted everforge defender shield? Haste/ver or haste/crit?

[potent basin]

Haste crit

[stray sonnet]

Why crit? Don’t we want to stack vers as a tank?

[potent basin]

The way colossus works Crit comes out on top

[stray sonnet]

I see

[potent basin]

Vers isn’t a bad stat

[stray sonnet]

Vers would help for being squishy right?

[potent basin]

But Crit gives you more since we use colossus

[potent basin]

Yes, but you get a higher parry chance the more crit you have

So it can make up for it

[stray sonnet]

Ohhh so crit affects parry

[potent basin]

If you go mountain thane crit is less important I believe though

[stray sonnet]

It seems like colossus is better for both raid and m+ this tier

[lavish rose]

Is colossus the play in m+? Or is it just niche for extra dps on low keys/super high coordinated groups?

[potent basin]

It is yeah

[potent basin]

For the most part colossus will always be better for m+ at its current state

The damage is a lot more than mountain thane

[stray sonnet]

Prot warrior kind of has crazy damage. I’m only 620 ilvl but I was doing around one mil overall in low keys. Can’t wait to see what true real damage is when I’m not at shit ilvl

[potent basin]

Crit cake made a video of him doing top dps out of all the group in a 10 rookery

[stray sonnet]

Nice lol

[potent basin]

It was 3m+

Overall

On the highest keys though Prot might struggle a bit more

[stray sonnet]

Why’s that?

[potent basin]

Just the dungeon pool

Alot of bleeds and etc

I mean unless you’re going for the .5% title you won’t run into issues

And even then, any tank can get that title

But the top teams atleast for m+ are running either Prot pally or veng Dh with Dh being more common

TLDR if you want to be among the top your going to have an easier time as dh or pally but it’s not undoable as warrior

[stray sonnet]

Def won’t be pushing that title. Probably plan to do all 12’s later if anything.

As great as they are, i can’t play wheelchair tanks like dk, pally, bear. It drives me crazy

Maybe DH but I’ve never played that class before so it’ll be a learning curve

[potent basin]

If your just doing all 12s you will have zero issue as warrior

[stray sonnet]

Prot warriors also just feel beefy compared to dh

[mellow trellis]

Hey guys short question what spaces do i craft in as Prot? I want to craft the vers Proc things cause I also play Fury in Raid. Therefore I can't craft shield. Is it better to go Bracers and feet on 675 or Bracers and Beck on 675?

[potent basin]

I’d even argue you would have an easier time as Prot warrior since their damage is far above the other tanks

[stray sonnet]

I see

[potent basin]

Honestly you probably should craft whatever your lowest ilvl is

[stray sonnet]

I also will dabble in one of the dps specs. Is fury or warrior better for m+ right now?

[potent basin]

But ideally if you were “bis” I believe cape and bracers are the best to craft

If you were full bis

[mellow trellis]

I was unsure cause I later gonna swap CLoak for the Raid cape ^^

[potent basin]

Are you confident you’re gonna get that cape?

Most players are going to be going for it aswel

[signal field]

dawn or dusk thread

[potent basin]

Dawn if your Prot

[mellow trellis]

I mean i have a guild and we gonna raid mythic our Goal is to kill at least the locken guy who drops it. But I guess at that time I have enough Sparks and crests ^^

[potent basin]

You want crit over vers now

[potent basin]

It really just depends whether your going to get the cape, if you know your gonna get.

But out of 20 players will you get it?

But by the time you get it and etc you probably can just craft something else

[mellow trellis]

true ^^ I guess I just craft cape and fuck it ^^

[potent basin]

That being said though feet will give you more initial stats over a cape

[frank badge]

like the first pull of priority, i charge into thunder clap into challenging shout then leap into the middle. nobody deal damage into these 4 mob but when they're walking to me the aggro change, prob because healer healed me. is this not enough to keep aggro when grouping stuff up?

[potent basin]

Oh yeah that’s a little annoying I’ve seen that happen too

It’s best to make sure the healer is ahead of you, just thunderclap and leap and yoy shouldn’t take any lethal damage for the healer to need to dismount and heal you

[turbid shuttle]

challenging shout there is a mistake it gives u nothing

[frank badge]

idk i feel like im having problem grouping up, but i dont have this problem in s1

[potent basin]

That specific pull is hard since there’s a long distance you need to run aswell as the range enemies

You just just have do your best to gather them up since Prot just has zero pulls

But the first 4 enemies of priory are all melee so they should just run to you

Cleft is similar with the amount of casters in the first area

It’s just what warriors struggle with

[waxen frigate]

Definitely warrior

[waxen frigate]

Those 4 enemies also do extremely negligible damage

[potent basin]

Exactly

[waxen frigate]

The ranged players need to all be stacked on you

[potent basin]

The healer shouldn’t be healing when you running with those mobs

[waxen frigate]

Otherwise the sharpshooters stay out

But they jump in if all are in melee

Then you can shockwave and go ham

The first pull is much more about group survival than tank survival

[pallid quiver]

They don't do negligible damage to timmy the mage who blast all CDs the unstant those mibs get looked at, even though you're already zooming to the next pack

[waxen frigate]

Tbh all of priory is

[pallid quiver]

But timmy the mage can tank from time to time

[waxen frigate]

Timmy the mage can eat my whole ass I don’t care

[pallid quiver]

I mean he is a growing boy, I guess

Gotta get them proteins in somewhere

[potent basin]

I think a lot of players feel they are “struggling” with things and don’t realize they are just being griefed by their dps/healer

[waxen frigate]

I’m mostly playing vdh this season but I literally just pre-sigil, eap in, demon spikes, imo aura, maybe a soul cleave, and move on

If someone decides to rip threat it’s not my problem

As warr id imagine a charge, tc, revenge, and getting shield blown up is plenty

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/k6RNRtn.png

[waxen frigate]

Then leap away

[strong forum]

[pallid quiver]

A non-zero amount of people who think they're struggling that you find in the wild are struggling because they just can't press buttons. People who come here tend to be the opposite, since they're more likely to blame themselves for things, but

[pallid quiver]

nice

[waxen frigate]

the biggest thing you can do as tank in priory is just avoid the really toxic pulls

I usually try to skip the patrol and the first pack at the top of the left stairs

Never under any circumstance should you pull those packs with the lieutenant especially

[potent basin]

You can even just thunderclap and jump, they are all melee and won’t hit you. the healer shouldn’t need to heal anything

[waxen frigate]

Your group will just fall over

[pallid quiver]

If they wanted to live, they should have played a tank smh

or a mage with their 15 different defensives

[plush summit]

good evening i have a question is capo's molten knuckles from Mug'zee a good Tank Weapon or should i craft one?

[potent basin]

Will your guild give you the very rare 1 handed strength/agility weapon over a dps?

[buoyant sparrow]

do we have to go MT for M+? or is Col still viable?

[lusty grotto]

its dps gain is not worth the loss of secondaries Morlex

[potent basin]

Colossus is actually meta

[lusty grotto]

luke Guthan said, its better on a dps player

[buoyant sparrow]

oh snap...my bad

[plush summit]

okay so if i am not lucky to get one in hero track in de vault the crafting is better because the chance i get one is rly rly rare 🙂

[lusty grotto]

crafting will be better cause its higher ilvl

with gilded crests

[potent basin]

It’s a higher damage gain of course

[lusty grotto]

on weapons higher ilvl > all

[potent basin]

But you lose out on stats

[lusty grotto]

same as shield

[potent basin]

And if your guild is willing to give you it over a dps

Invite me to your guild

[lusty grotto]

if its not myth, dont even compare to crafted with gilded, gilded will win against hero every time

[potent basin]

True

[lusty grotto]

when i said "dps gain" i meant hero vs runed crafted

or hero vs hero

the gain is very very little

[potent basin]

Just wait till the .5 patch is out

[broken cove]

best slot to craft 2nd dawnthread? (have shield already)

[potent basin]

And buy it with a bullion lmao

[potent basin]

Lowest ilvl

[plush summit]

so the shield from gallywix is not better on herotrack as a crafted 675 shieldd?

[lusty grotto]

yeah well bullions are better spent on gally/1ab trinkets honestly

no

its not

higher ilvl wins

[plush summit]

okay thanks

[lusty grotto]

ilvl dictates block on shields

[unborn island]

How are bullions going to work? Will you be able to get/use them if you don't raid?

[lusty grotto]

ilvl dictates weapon damage on weapons

[potent basin]

You MIGHT do more damage with it

But you lose out on survivability

[lusty grotto]

weapon base damage directly affects your dps, more than anything else

[plush summit]

okay thanks for the information

[lusty grotto]

higher block considerably buffs your defensiveness

so ilvl > all

[potent basin]

I genuinely don’t know if the gallywix shield does more damage on hero track

Than a crafted shield

On boss fights maybe

Aoe no

[lusty grotto]

at this point it doesnt matter

[potent basin]

^

[lusty grotto]

but its easy to sim

i just wouldnt go for hero gally shield over a gilded crafted just because of the block

[potent basin]

if you killed gallywix on heroic and got the shield

Before you crafted

Then craft something else

But if your not crafting a shield in hopes of getting it down the line

Just make the shield

[signal field]

does 2pc shield wall proc synergize with "immovable object" talent?

[lusty grotto]

No

[unborn island]

No

[signal field]

tuff

[lusty grotto]

That would make it ultra broken

[signal field]

yeah but it would be cool

same with demon surge procs lmao

[potent basin]

You kinda get a avatar buff with the 15% damage

But no

That would be insane

[potent basin]

If it worked like dragonflight raid only, but you can get them from just lfr

[unborn island]

Cool, and then it lets me target which item I want from vault?

(sorry this is maybe a dumb question(

[lusty grotto]

no you just buy stuff from a vendor, it doesnt interact with the vault, its a separate thing

we have no idea how they will be given out

and they wont be live this early in the season anyway

[potent basin]

Yeah you literally can just walk into a shop and buy any raid item from the entire raid that can be upgraded to max ilvl

They plan to release it at the .5 patch

So about half way through the season

[brisk rain]

HOW BROKEN IS PROT

i love it

soooo fcking much

[lusty grotto]

its not broken

play other tanks

[potent basin]

Its honestly how it should be if they want to give warrior zero utility

[cyan bronze]

think about how close you were to the rogue and ret too

with shout

just ignore stupid other warrior

[brisk rain]

ye other warr was low dps cuz of ilvl

man was 640 or sth

still, 2.4mil is MAD good dps

[lusty grotto]

you guys are assuming a whole lot for an out of context details screenshot

it doesnt even say overall

[brisk rain]

happy?

[lusty grotto]

so... current segment?

[brisk rain]

current segment

after the dungeon

is the overall

once you finish dung, its overall

[lusty grotto]

ok

play other tanks

and stop saying warrior is broken

its not

other tanks do similar damage

[brisk rain]

👍

[cerulean tusk]

Why are the arms warr doing so low dam?

Exe ST build in M+?

[lusty grotto]

probably undergeared

and/or didnt have crafted 2h

[cerulean tusk]

Could be he was just chillin', as ret ate all the pad

Actually not a bad idea going full ST with that setup, that got AoE for days

Rdruid is around half of where he should be too

So I guess lowkeys, still learning

[lusty grotto]

or died a lot

[cerulean tusk]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/hyjal/Kovendx

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats just gear, the dude also mentioned it

[cerulean tusk]

low ilvl, his s1 experience is lacking and shows, his s2 is the same

[lusty grotto]

vet weapon

[cerulean tusk]

It is a classic example of tank beating a undergeared and/or bad player on the meters

[lusty grotto]

but they timed, and that's what counts

yeah

[cerulean tusk]

True and real, Ret/Rogue carried big

[rough nest]

I'm playing prot in Keys to fuel my arms spec for raids as I'm the only warrior, haven't seen a single 2h drop

[lusty grotto]

yeah im crafting mine on tuesday if i dont get a myth one

so i feel ya

and i spammed ToP hard for one

[rough nest]

Same

[lusty grotto]

just craft tbh

free uppies to 1h + shield with it

[rough nest]

Can't do it yet, hope I'll get a good vault

[lusty grotto]

ya same boat here

[cerulean tusk]

Always wait for the vault, smart

If you go Fury offspec, just use two 1handers till you get twohanders

diff is only 5% ish

[lusty grotto]

f u r y

[cerulean tusk]

Fury

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-dead-building-jump-gif-15057385

no thx

[cerulean tusk]

You just jelly cause my ST dam strong

💪

[lusty grotto]

your st dmg always strong funky

[cerulean tusk]

D'awww

[lusty grotto]

[next pasture]

is there a healer you guys all prefer? i was doing a 13 floodgate with like, a really high rank disc priest and i was struggling on big momma.. didn’t die but had to have my ret babysit me a bit

[lusty grotto]

disc/mw/rdruid depending on dungeon

[rough nest]

Tho the only 2h I got from the vault from s1 was the last week, which couldn't be upgraded 🧌

[next pasture]

idk how i can make that boss easier. i might need to grab BSV just for that boss. shit is stressful

that boss and the corridor creepers are the biggest things making me want to swap tanks lol. idk how we keep getting 2 creepers in the minecart section in DFC

someone always backs up into the other one and i just die

[cerulean tusk]

I love Shamans, allows me to go low and expect to be pushed up. The more danger I am in, the more the Shaman is able to heal.
Not to mention: Interupts on those pesky ranged mobs melee wont touch

[next pasture]

i've had one really good rsham this season... and one really good mistweaver, it's crazy the variation in healers....

[unborn island]

Big momma is...weird

The buster kinda trucks

And in low keys people just put the sonic boom on you

[next pasture]

yeah like, idk if i take fight through the flames and shit

6% seems negligible

[unborn island]

It's a weird one, who knows

[next pasture]

i item restored my ritual mud trinket just to try and deal with high damage dots in push keys

haven't used it yet but it might do something, if big momma's tank buster has a 10 second dot, and the mud CD gets reduced by dots, would it mean 22 seconds off the trinket cd? lol

[cerulean tusk]

Not a bad idea, could also consider go thane for more d power if it is that tight

Most cases a sac should be enough, or any other external. Some DoTs can be negated with control or kite

[lusty grotto]

nah

just watch the timer and SR

and it'll reset

[next pasture]

yeah, my issues are specifically big momma and double creepers in the darkness section

[lusty grotto]

leap if you have to

having giga crit also helps cause if you parry it doesnt get put on you

[next pasture]

yeah, i have 25% parry but i've only seen it drop once via that

[cerulean tusk]

Double creaper is just a bit of kite if needed. Momma I haven't had any issues with, but I only done it on a 12

[next pasture]

well, in the minecart area, do i just like, leap to a candle and run away?

i feel that's maybe a bit troll

but it might help me live lol

[cerulean tusk]

Yep, jump to a candle and bring it back with. Avoid the negatives and DPS basically lose no uptime. We talking 3 sec ish for the drop off

[lusty grotto]

it works

but yeah your survival is probably more important than a couple of seconds of uptime

use SR

[cerulean tusk]

Go Nelf for that additional chance to have it drop off

[lusty grotto]

watch timer, use SR if less or at about 5s

youll reflect the next application and reset

remember they are immune to cc, so just leap to africa

just dont fall down the middle hole

[next pasture]

lol, yeah... i wonder if other tanks have the same issue... maybe bear druid

[lament forge]

I think I've been hitting thunderclap too much as colossus

[round pendant]

when do we replace the cyrce ring

[rose pier]

Hello. Im probably missing something but how come our 2p doesnt proc Avatar ?

[lusty grotto]

how come? because it would be broken

extremely overpowered

[rose pier]

Immovable object procs avatar if using shield wall...so u though the 2p, would proc avatar as the 2p bonus procs shield wall...

[lusty grotto]

no

read above

[brisk rain]

Okay but do YOU activate shield wall?

No

[solid sun]

huh

[lusty grotto]

we already get a damage boost with it, why would you want an avatar on top

[south zealot]

is battering ram not extremely op with 4p

seems like turbo good uptime

[lusty grotto]

yes

we swap to it with 4p

[south zealot]

how do i get it if i drop ravager for bsv and booming voice for disrupting shout

jk xd

[lusty grotto]

lol

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/wDv7R57.png

perfect stats

[modest wing]

So I have kind of a crazy idea - has anyone used chatgpt to make code for weakauras?

[strong forum]

thousands of people

[lusty grotto]

yes

also

use github copilot instead

its more code focused

[modest wing]

haha ok well i guess not surprised

[chrome falcon]

did i just hear Scott say "Btw how illegal is prot warrior? How am I ever meant to survive this even with BSV" on gallywix

[lusty grotto]

hmm

are they streaming gally?

[chrome falcon]

yurrr

[lusty grotto]

i caught the mugzee kill last night and havent tuned in

what specifically does he mean

[chrome falcon]

tbh i thought the p3 gallywix tank buster was super free as pwarr

[lusty grotto]

oh

[chrome falcon]

huge physical hit that does a physical dot, big deal

but maybe there's a different tankbuster on mythic

[jagged pier]

Its almost like they dont actually know how to play the tanks properly, because they have to be able to play all 6 at a good level

[chrome falcon]

i mean sure i agree but also we literally don't know what mechanic is hitting him

and he does

so maybe it's something that we are actually awful at dealing with

[jagged pier]

On both echos and liquids like under 1% wipes on sprocket if the tanks had been playing correctly they would have killed

I mean they play weird builds etc too just what i saw in other channels and discords

Not something ive looked into myself, but i believe for sure

[chrome falcon]

prot warrior is strong so rarely that the top raiders/m+ guys are often pretty mediocre at it, but scott will definitely know more about what this boss does to prot warrior than anyone else

i'm hoping there's no scary magic dot

kyveza was rough enough

[lusty grotto]

if you were 1st tank

if you were 2nd it was simple

but yeah

[chrome falcon]

what made being 2nd so easy

[lusty grotto]

spell block aligned well

[chrome falcon]

my cotank was bdk and i would perma rip on pull and i didn't bother learning the movement so i just went first

[lusty grotto]

1st tank took 2 tbs and then transition

[urban portal]

Is the dot block able

[lusty grotto]

2nd tank took 1

[urban portal]

Most physical dots penetrate armor

Aka bleeds

[chrome falcon]

the dot is reduced by your mitigation on the initial hit

[jagged pier]

I found ky fine and i was the tank doing double debuffs

[muted basin]

After 4pc are we taking both battering ram and ravager or just one or the other?

[chrome falcon]

so it kinda is blockable/reduced by armour

[jagged pier]

Yes

[chrome falcon]

drop rav after 4pc according to wowhead guide right

[muted basin]

Yeah, I just didn't know if it made sense to take both and drop something else

[jagged pier]

It might change soon

Indom does a whole lot of nothing

So u can drop that instead of rav if u want

[muted basin]

Ah yeah, that makes sense. Thanks!

Rav for the rage is so nice

[chrome falcon]

does it?

[jagged pier]

Nome saod it the other day

Sense has alsp mentioned dropping it, in higher content maybe u keep it

[vocal flame]

did 38m healing for me

[jagged pier]

Or if u want to keep it i guess

38 milion over what?

[vocal flame]

actually 57.9

leech did better lol

[jagged pier]

Over what a sungeon?

[vocal flame]

prob drop it i guess

[jagged pier]

Cause 60mil is only jist over x4 my hp bar over a dungeon

Thats tiny

[vocal flame]

rookery

[chrome falcon]

lmao wait

how nerfed is this talent

when did it stop being 10% of our max hp

and 1% heal per 10 rage

[vocal flame]

True Jakey, idk with all these bleeds I feel more healing better?

[urban portal]

1% per 10 has always been a thing

[jagged pier]

Nah it used to be 2

[urban portal]

I don’t think it have increased stamina from dragonflight

But I’m not sure

[chrome falcon]

well when did they nerf it

because that's not what it does now

[jagged pier]

Actually dont listen to me thats wrong

With the rage nerfs its jist less healing

[vocal flame]

ahh true

[jagged pier]

So its even worse

[chrome falcon]

nah give me ravager back

when was this nerf? was this ages ago and i just didn't notice?

[jagged pier]

It was this expansion? I think

Like alpha i really cant remeber

But yer its kinda deadge

[lusty grotto]

ive been running without it

[violet ginkgo]

I think during Early S1 or preseason

S1 we definitely already run with the nerfed indom.

[chrome falcon]

i'd probably run BSV over that if i was actually scared for my life on a fight

[nimble plover]

There is nothing else than the old MDT pull assist WA's that does the same, is there?
Because there doesnt seem to be one for s2?

[chilly brook]

I did early in the season, and yes that was because I was at like 14k haste

[solid sun]

Is it not still early lol

[fallow beacon]

delicious haste

[vocal flame]

i see alot of the top tier tanks doing that but not mid level

[pallid quiver]

It's due to tank deaths being pretty much a wipe in top end keys

It's technically not optimal, since it's likely not needed based on last season logs, but if you screw up and have baseline skill to keep playing, it'll stop a wipe

[vocal flame]

Makes sense

[urban portal]

It’s a bell curve thing

It’s good if you are really bad or really good

[round cliff]

yea im gaming

does anybody have a good tome WA

[wide charm]

Anyone know a good way to gather the mobs and avoid annoying overseer knockbacks in the first 3 pulls of DFC?
I've 2 chested a 10 but I'm wanting to get some 12s this week ideally and although this place is relatively easy, I want to see how I can make the first 3 pulls before the first boss as clean as possible

[round cliff]

pull the first 2 packs on left and right into the initial room as part of ur first pull

[wide charm]

First pull I've been grabbing all the labourers, overseer pack in the doorway, the 4 pull of moles, and the 2 casters then comes back into the doorway where the overseer is initially --- and lusting

[round cliff]

then u have all that space for overseers

[wide charm]

Second pull, on MDT would be G8-10

[wide charm]

https://wago.io/JfpsG2Qpd
this has been working perfectly for me

[round cliff]

thank u

[vocal pewter]

For 675 shield craft it says mastery haste. should i follow sims or for something thats bis go crit/haste etc

[strong forum]

Whichever stats you like

Only one that matters is haste

[pallid quiver]

the stats i like are the stats i have in my bags

[strong forum]

I like mine currently

17k crit 21k haste 8k mastery and 1k vers

And 660.69 ilvl

[neon elk]

Guys what addon shows % that mobs give in tooltip when mousing over ?

[strong forum]

No clue

It could be plater, details, elvui, littlewigs or mdt

One of the 5

[rough nest]

3 runs later and a portal

[strong forum]

Dunno which one specifically

[lusty grotto]

gz

finally now the vault wait starts

[strong forum]

I got gallywix hc weppy yesterday :d

[rough nest]

But no crests to upgrade x_x

[lusty grotto]

i got best in slots yesterday

warbound

[strong forum]

F

[lusty grotto]

veteran track cause normal

LOL

[waxen frigate]

literally half the damage

[vocal flame]

No need for a WA if I don't have it

[neon elk]

Damn that didnt narrow it down at all but thanks xd

[lofty widget]

is it IO or UF with colossus if you disregard defensive value?

[strong forum]

IO is more dmg

Cuz you can buff pretty much every single demolish with avatar that way

[lofty widget]

that is good tech

[strong forum]

And if you play UF, it takes away globals to be spent on revenge

[round cliff]

so if theres 0 chance of me getting a mythic gallywix shield
im supposed to craft a shield, right

[strong forum]

That or vault

[round cliff]

as a prio craft

i didnt think abt vault 🤔

maybe ill craft bracers first to be safe

do i want allied wristguards or duskthread lining tho

[strong forum]

I crafted ring and belt

I crafted dawn

[round cliff]

dawn

w/e

same thing

[strong forum]

Also allied wristguarrds don't exist this xpac

🙂

[round cliff]

huh

but

im using them

from last season

am i eating paste rn

[strong forum]

Yeah you are

[round cliff]

we need a paste eater emote

[strong forum]

Allied wrist guards are DF

The only pre-embellished items we have is shitty boots and a shitty shield

[round cliff]

ok so just lowest ilvl craft like u said

which in my case is bracers and belt

sound good to u?

tho ig jewelry is no main stat

[strong forum]

I did ring cuz I cba having shitty rings

[fallow wind]

I crafted 1h sword and bracers, kept getting fucked for a weapon lol

[jagged gust]

ugh, my first 10 is a top that I've ran once on a 2

[round cliff]

i have a vers/mastery ring rn

maybe i replace it

but its hero track 🤔

so it could be worse

[strong forum]

Why would you ever

Wear a non-haste ring that isn't mythic queen ring

[round cliff]

cuz i got it

and my old ring was s1

[strong forum]

Yeah okay but... Haste

[round cliff]

do u replaces cyrces with a crafted haste/crit ring

[strong forum]

No

Unless it mythic

[jagged gust]

My 636 crit/haste ring is still outsimming 649 crit/vers

[round cliff]

do u replaces cyrces with a vers mastery hero ring?

[strong forum]

Hell no

[jagged gust]

Cyrce has stupid high stats

[round cliff]

ok so i keep cyces and craft a crit/haste ring

with dawnthread

?

[jagged gust]

like 7-7.5k? It's hard to replace

[strong forum]

Can't put thread onto jewelry

[round cliff]

gdi

so craft the ring. straight up

[strong forum]

I put ele lense on ring

Is more than 0

But you can also craft an Ascension weapon

[round cliff]

but it counts towards ur embellish limit

[strong forum]

That's what sense did

[strong forum]

I ain't planning on crafting a 3rd item

Embellishs are FUCKALL this season

[jagged gust]

it wasn't far off in terms of overall and better for ST, at least in S1 sims

[strong forum]

Min-maxing those is a hilarity

[round cliff]

fair

[strong forum]

730 vers is 0.9%
730 crit is 1%

WOWEEE

NEED MY EMBELLISHS BROO

[round cliff]

thats a whole 1%

thats a lot!

[strong forum]

Rly isn't

[round cliff]

either way i rly need to replace these

so ill craft

[jagged gust]

I replaced helm

[strong forum]

Embellishs in DF scaled with ilvl
Current embellishs do not

[round cliff]

how many gilded crests do u need for a craft?

[strong forum]

That's the big difference

60

[jagged gust]

60

[round cliff]

ok so i can get enough from delves

this week

cuz ive done none

[jagged gust]

as long as you have a bounty map

[round cliff]

ill get one im sure

[jagged gust]

for boths weeks

21 +10 for running a bounty map on an 11 for 2 weeks

[round cliff]

ive literally done only raid and m+ this week aaaa

i need to catch up on all my casual content

[jagged gust]

Delves honestly your best investment timewise for crests

[viral jackal]

I have plenty of gilded but can’t decide if I wanna craft shield or weapon.

647ilvl, have 8/8 champ gally shield and 1/6 hero track weapon

[wide charm]

I crafted weapon with ascendence embellishment because I'm not mythic raiding this tier