700k and a golden retriever worth
#protection
cerulean tusk
stiff gate
700k even
sharp gale
I bet*
strong forum
its 6%
cerulean tusk
Nome doing 6% = 600k, 100% = 10000k DPS 
sharp gale
YES
stiff gate
hey there are pulls where you can break 10mil rn so i see no flaws in this math
you just gotta get silly with the little cinderbrew bees or the rats after 2nd boss in motherlode... but all the time!
smoky anvil
I’m down to 25% UB haste and manage fine with ITF. Def trying to farm CM neck and chest, though. I’m down bad for haste.
keen nymph
If youre not pressing more buttons than fury as prot what are you doing?
smoky anvil
If youre not pressing more buttons than fury as prot what are you doing?
Based
serene rune
Hi guys, stats to Raid and M+ is equals ?
sharp gale
I’m down to 25% UB haste and manage fine with ITF. Def trying to farm CM neck an...
I’m losing my mind for the neck
cold shadow
so a couple of beers in, i feel like i'm feeling the zug, any good prot warrior channels you can recommend (not quazii)?
smoky anvil
I’m losing my mind for the neck
Still doing well. I’ve not even attempted a 10 yet. Smashed a 9 ToP, at least. We’re gonna push this weekend.
Oh I didn’t read
Lmao that’s tragic.
sharp gale
Yep I do one cinderbrew on dk and then one key on warrior bc I’m becoming crazy
smoky anvil
I’ve kinda been not farming too hard cuz I’m afraid of burnout. Leading a vanilla guild and that’s kinda exhausting. It’s HR simulator with like an hour and a half of raiding once a week.
sharp gale
I did 60 keys on my dk im starting to calm down bc can burnout
smoky anvil
Tack on losing basically every item of value from raid on rolls and it’s getting to me a lil
Thought I had a cute lil house of cards with a 95 only to have a dude roll a 100
deft cliff
I’ve doing good so far got almost all my items bis and got my pacemaker to hero
cerulean tusk
I’m losing my mind for the neck
Do 12s, or you wont get a neck
sharp gale
i will start to push on my prot when i gets tier and don't need hero items anymore
next week i get harbringer for runed crest on dk and surely tier on my war
native mantle
i have a question regarding the trinket and its stacks: does it matter at how many stacks I use it? or does it only matter what side it's on?
nocturne spindle
stacks dont matter from what ive been told and noticed with it
its just a counter to when it flips
strong forum
"stacks"
are only when you flip pages
trhe stack itself doesnt do anything
its just your counter until you flip mode
wooden gorge
How do you guys set brann up for lower ilvl delves 8+?
nocturne spindle
Uhh
I mean it kinda doesn't matter you fly through them
As tank you can do them super easy
Even with low ilvl
wooden gorge
Healer or dps? I’ve only ran them as vdh this season and that spec kinda busted atm
Does it even matter? lol
nocturne spindle
I just left mine as dps to make it go a bit faster cause I don't think I died
wooden gorge
Nice sounds good, Ty
bold turret
Is there a different M+ build when you get 4s?
mighty valley
Is there a different M+ build when you get 4s?
you can drop ravager for battering ram
jagged pier
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/42/?class=Tanks&difficulty=4
not the best tuning but the graph makes it look worse than it is
toxic pewter
here comes the anti warr propaganda never fails
jagged pier
i mean if u think we arent getting nuked from orbit when the race is over. i dont know what to tell u
mighty valley
buff monk, all three specs need to be top tier
toxic pewter
its all fake news this community is always out to get us
jagged pier
not even the most popular tank in m+
and the second least popular in raid
but nah lets nerf it
toxic pewter
honestly vdh andd prot pala the ones that need nerfs
stray lichen
would it be a good Idea to macro IP and shield slam together?
jagged pier
no
u will rage starve
if u want to macro SS to IP so u snipe resets, and still have another SS bind. thats fine
stray lichen
ok thats what I thought. thanks
vocal flame
if u want to macro SS to IP so u snipe resets, and still have another SS bind. t...
Yikes I have been running that IP + SS for a while 😮
I will remove it
jagged pier
u have 3 SWs
LS and IV
u have so much
all the healer needs to do is make sure to dispell u
next pasture
i did an 11 priory after being traumatized from that bleed on like, 5s, but i didn’t even notice it. if the healer has eyes you should be good so long as you’re not trolling
vocal flame
Since there are only 10% of prot wars in the world that have timed that they feel your pain lol
next pasture
the dumb trick is to make sure the healer knows to insta dispel divine judgement
jagged pier
seemed fine to me
why do ppl think that on the second week of a season things wouldnt hurt, this stuff is tuned to be done in like 675 gearwell probably not that high but a lot of pplwill only do them at that ilvl ish
unborn island
You could try being a dwarf as well, or running with an evoker
But yeah, it just trucks
chilly brook
Didn’t hurt much in my 10/11, just rotating CDs and having a healer that actually presses their dispel
stiff gate
the mini boss at the end was much scarier on 10 than the first boss was
but it doesnt really seem like a hard dungeon for tank overall, its mostly on the healer to deal with sharpshooter/impale/leap/sacred toll/purification damage in every pack
vocal flame
Healers seem to be sink or swim this season
haughty scroll
is there some condition for the second boss in priory to actually cast his shield, i feel like he doesnt as long as i stay in melee. just says the voice line and nothing happens
it just really fucks my dps trying to use personals on that shit with pyre rolling into it
chilly brook
the mini boss at the end was much scarier on 10 than the first boss was
He’s not that bad, unless you’re just not pressing CDs on his fiery strike or w/e it’s called
round cliff
im debating on the fuck them healers build
dropping indom so i can take both battering ram AND ravager
fallow wind
dropping indom so i can take both battering ram AND ravager
its works, healers gotta babysit you alittle, but some big incoming damage really makes them panic lmao
violet ginkgo
But I mean “big” for warrior is usually still lower than other class’ “big” since we mitigate a lot.
stiff gate
honestly didnt notice a difference dropping indom yesterday compared to having it the day before
smoky anvil
i did an 11 priory after being traumatized from that bleed on like, 5s, but i di...
Eyes weak aura is the hardest one for people to use
long bronze
apparently they made it so another spark fragment is available this week?
topaz latch
apparently they made it so another spark fragment is available this week?
citation please
long bronze
plush tendon
blizz leaving me in a pickle
was planning on craft 2H for DK next week
but now I can craft 2H
but what if I get 2h in vault
do I still just hold?
long bronze
you send the 15 crests and 2000 valorstones you would have ripped into maxing the wep into something else
rancid tiger
but what if I get 2h in vault
This will always be a q. If u get in vault. Its 3 ilvl upgrade happy day
Wasted sparks but at least not crests
plush tendon
This will always be a q. If u get in vault. Its 3 ilvl upgrade happy day
Im basically trying to get my DK geared for Mythic Trash boi
so as much power for that as possible... wep is biggest uppie
rancid tiger
Well. Ofc best is to wait. But its always best. So u can wait forever
sacred badge
second spark poggies
rancid tiger
I got my 1st 2hander week 13 last time
sacred badge
thin im just gonna rip it on a belt since ive never gotten another drop
plush tendon
im not used to having the first 2h in the raid being off the wall boss
rancid tiger
So its always a gamble.
rancid tiger
U put acendance on 2h
sacred badge
maybe i lucksack into reverb wep in box or drop next week
rancid tiger
And get a bracer at 639 isnworth it
topaz latch
https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-half-spark-now-available-even-for-those-who-exp...
thank you
long bronze
at least according to my sim, for prot warrior, going crafted 1H + ascension and sending the 15 unused crests into my myth helm is exactly the same dps as sending all 75 crests into maxing a myth wep and using the spark and free runed crests on boots with dawnthread
kinda a lot of words to say, just send it bruh
topaz latch
wait, so we are crafting main hand?
topaz latch
i was gonna craft wrists lol
long bronze
I have socked wrist and belt already so not in a rush to lock those in
topaz latch
i usually craft wrist and shield, and put my embellish on those since i usually dont switch those out
queen mountain
when using spark to craft a weapon does it matter if i make sword axe etc?
long bronze
no
chilly brook
i usually craft wrist and shield, and put my embellish on those since i usually ...
bad idea imo
you're going to want to roll prot loot spec until you get a shield in vault
3ilvl on shield is still worth fishing for
long bronze
I dunno I feel like taking a 3 ilvl upgrade over other potential lock ins not really? I agree with prot vault though...
the chase trinkets can drop as prot so doesn't much matter, the Arms vault was because all the tank trinkets fucking sucked
next pasture
why is this not marking the dudes in cinderbrew?
chilly brook
I dunno I feel like taking a 3 ilvl upgrade over other potential lock ins not re...
block big important stat
long bronze
yeah sure
chilly brook
comes from nothing else
long bronze
but we're talking 2nd week
topaz latch
you're going to want to roll prot loot spec until you get a shield in vault
absolutely not lol
chilly brook
yeah I don't have a problem with crafting a shield
the problem I have is with "I put embellish on this because I won't replace it"
long bronze
if you already crafted a shield I don't know if taking 3 ilvl over shield would be worth over getting a myth track replacement for a hero track slot
this early*
topaz latch
i made that mistake once a while ago, with vault shield. never again
long bronze
right, which is why going hero track to crafted/myth is huge
but crafted to myth not huge
topaz latch
tripple got it
you craft and embellish your shield unless you know that youre gonna get a mythic shield in the first two weeks
chilly brook
this early*
I'm not advocating that you have to choose it early in the season, lots of shields to fish for in vault
long bronze
important? sure. As good as going from hero trinket/helm/legs/chest to myth? no shot
I've never died because my shield block value was too low
I've died because I fucking suck
chilly brook
you craft and embellish your shield unless you *know* that youre gonna get a myt...
or you embellish the two pieces that you know you won't replace like bracers and cloak?
jovial cradle
question - can anyone explain why Heaviestweight Title Belt is now BiS over recrafting the BiS Everforged belt from s1?
long bronze
but regardless, just do prot vaults
topaz latch
yeah i do prot vaults anyways
chilly brook
embellish isn't hugely important in the first couple of weeks
long bronze
myth tome alone is worth it
topaz latch
yeah, when i need 2nd embellish IF i replace my shield, ill craft another item, which is likely when im swimming in sparks
yeah that myth tome gonna elude me for a hot minute
i wouldnt take a plus 3 ilvl shield upgrade over something like that
chilly brook
personally myth seaforium pacemaker>tome
long bronze
getting myth shield in vault when other options suck is goated, but getting it when there's another good option is decision paralysis time
topaz latch
getting myth shield in vault when other options suck is goated, but getting it w...
there it is. wisdom of the day
long bronze
personally myth seaforium pacemaker>tome
that's awful take wtf you mean
long bronze
padding?
chilly brook
tome loses value in keys
especially the higher you go
the longer packs live, the less time you spend in swords
it's a good trinket for sure, just less good in keys compared to other options
topaz latch
question - can anyone explain why Heaviestweight Title Belt is now BiS over recr...
im guessing for the high crit budget, and some verse, since by now, if u have the other bis- you will be overloaded on haste
meaning with, crafted belt you dont need that haste/crit
long bronze
I just think giving up the ST dam for AOE dam is a throw, and I'm not sure I really agree with the pack's living longer thing unless you're taking naps between pulls
chilly brook
Jakey said the same thing about it losing value in higher keys
crit also applies to single target dam btw
which is what seaforium is, just a massive crit amp
long bronze
there's still no contest in ST vs tome
frozen berry
what is everyone making with their sparks right now?
long bronze
and if you sim 10 target's for 5 min vs 10 targets for 2 min the delta between tomb and pacemaker is the same
so I still don't see the "higher keys" arguement
chilly brook
and if you sim 10 target's for 5 min vs 10 targets for 2 min the delta between t...
that's not how that works
solid sun
I crafted a shield first and I’m considering crafting a weapon next
long bronze
okay enlighten me
solid sun
But I’m also not going to see any myth track items yet
chilly brook
first of all did you put the proper apl in for tome?
long bronze
yeah brother
chilly brook
okay great
second portion of that, raidbots is literally simming just hitting the target
long bronze
I thought of that too
chilly brook
not the hits taken that impact the trinket
long bronze
simming prot with no damage taken makes zero sense, that wouldn't account for our rage gen
chilly brook
long bronze
the only argument I see is Pacemaker scales with target count where tome doesn't, if anything tome scales inversely, which I get. But tome is giga enough that doesn't seem to matter
jovial cradle
meaning with, crafted belt you dont need that haste/crit
what's target haste?
chilly brook
toxic pewter
spent all my crests... cant even craft 2nd item
topaz latch
what's target haste?
we do not have a threshold to meet, but it does drop in value after, aroundish 18500, but youll have to sim it
long bronze
lol I agree it looses value, that's obvious, I'm not arguing that. I still think even with reduced value it's not worth swapping it out for something else
number of targets matters more than fight length
chilly brook
It would absolutely be worth swapping out for house of cards and pacemaker
foggy fox
the only argument I see is Pacemaker scales with target count where tome doesn't...
Can you explain how the tome works exactly please? I am confused
long bronze
what part is confusing
foggy fox
This correct?
long bronze
how you use it? or how it works?
long bronze
well check wowhead for how you use it
solid sun
I think it’s kinda weak for one person to provide sims and the other person to just link to comments in discord. The why is important
chilly brook
Can you explain how the tome works exactly please? I am confused
you sit in swords, you get hit and after a certain amount of hits it swaps to shield. you press it again to force it back to swords and get increased damage from swords for 20 seconds.
long bronze
as for how it works, when you get meleed it stacks up to 50
at 50 it flips modes
you can force a flip by using the on-use
you want to force it when it's in shield mode
more melees = changes faster
foggy fox
So I don't want to get the shield part from it...?
long bronze
if it changes faster than the CD is up, that's a loss for you
chilly brook
I think it’s kinda weak for one person to provide sims and the other person to j...
ok it's weak to link to the guys who actually maintain the spec guides
solid sun
Yeah because there was no reasoning at all
chilly brook
if it changes faster than the CD is up, that's a loss for you
which happens a lot in 11s
long bronze
Griff
chilly brook
at least in my experience
chilly brook
Yeah because there was no reasoning at all
I've given the reasoning
foggy fox
So the tome is strictly dps trinket..?
topaz latch
So the tome is strictly dps trinket..?
ideally, good uptime, and great trinket if you maintain it as swords
its only a good trinket if u also use the shield part
solid sun
Then why did the sim not agree? What’s the sim missing? Or what is the simmer missing?
long bronze
Basically all I'm saying here is Tome gives you more value in ST than pacemaker gives you in AOE, without giving up much because we do giga AOE anyways
foggy fox
its only a good trinket if u also use the shield part
wait so doing the swap but on the shield part is viable?
so like sit on shield and swap to shield if u get swords?
topaz latch
i value ST damage a lot more than AOE on prot warr
topaz latch
wait so doing the swap but on the shield part is viable?
its all viable if u live
foggy fox
topaz latch
and time your keys, or beat the raid in my case
foggy fox
fair
topaz latch
the less you use swords, the less great it becomes
at its WORST, its actually still a pretty damn decent trink
foggy fox
but if the pack is full magic damage it might be cool to use the shield no?
topaz latch
i mean i dont
solid sun
Stop trying to make shield a thing
pale badge
noobish question: does shield reflect magic damage mitigation reduce damage from ticking dots (creeping death or whatever) from creepers in DFC for the 5s it is active? I know it prevents one dot application, just curious if it also reduces damage
topaz latch
i drop some defensives and IP (im mountain thane so i have rage) and still use swords
solid sun
It’s never gonna be a thing
solid sun
Man f you dude
topaz latch
i just want the cinder brew mug trink to be honest.
solid sun
F you so hard
I tried a big pull with lust at the beginning and we had a cleanup on the bar room floor
topaz latch
I maintain cinderbrew mug is highly illegal
damn bro, why u say this
long bronze
it's so bad
topaz latch
it looks so fun tho
long bronze
it heals less than indom which is bad in itself, and you get like 1000 strength out of it, that's it
if I wanted to simp I'd play aug
it's totally rng who gets the stat and when
topaz latch
man, i never get good trinkets. ever, in any expansion. let me have this
you know what i got? 33 gotdamn cloaks, every season
long bronze
a 678 stein sims for -150k dps less than my 658 tome
topaz latch
what do you think about funhouse lens?
long bronze
it's good
urban bane
FHL is good yeah
chilly brook
can't even log in
topaz latch
yeah i actually have FHL, thats why im asking. it might be the only good trinket i get for the next 5 years lol
long bronze
funhouse lens is probably our best on use outside of house of cards
sadly it maxes out at hero track
topaz latch
im honestly surprised some delve trinks are good since they are only hero
long bronze
well they are good until you get a myth version of a comparable trinket
topaz latch
well they are good until you get a myth version of a comparable trinket
which will be never. could i offer u a cloak?
long bronze
I got lucky and got a heroic mechano-core amplifier so I don't need to farm pacemaker
because i'm going to keep tome, as I've made pretty clear lol
topaz latch
aw damn yeah i got a heroic mechocore too
long bronze
pacemaker and amplifier sim exactly the same for me
sharp gale
I like my trinkets 
topaz latch
theyre decent trinkets
long bronze
there's great trinkets wdym
chilly brook
pacemaker and amplifier sim exactly the same for me
amplifier sims almost double what pacemaker does for me
long bronze
hmm let me check again
topaz latch
there's great trinkets wdym
im being a salty bixch
chilly brook
apparently I can't log into the game cool
topaz latch
has anyone lused and liked the bombsuit?
chilly brook
Which one is amplifier ?
from delves
long bronze
yeah I guess rn pacemaker is -7k over amplifier, unexpected https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ro2iTyQDuXbYCjsQAyTP1B
long bronze
this is punish though because I don't like thinking about shield block on prog
smoky anvil
I like my trinkets <:clueless:1099922541923024997>
Big tough guy, huh? Big tough guy
sharp gale
Big pp
long bronze
I just want a hero haste/crit ring so I can get rid of cyrce's
sharp gale
I even didn’t farm these, it’s the only trinkets I dropped
forest orbit
which ring would you pick (equal ilvl)?
crit/haste
vers/mastery/leech
long bronze
sim it
sharp gale
Simp it
sharp gale
They have a lot of courage to be pink, I respect them
smoky anvil
If I wasn’t lazy I’d make a prot paladin and RP in all m+ and nonstop chain pull. Tack on the Crusader title. “The Crusade waits for no man.”
long bronze
chilly brook
was going to swap spec
wooden spruce
hi everyone!
Small question, what stats are you using? im starting +9 and we getting into heroic with my guild so i want to optimize my build going into higher keystones and even m+ raiding
sharp gale
If I wasn’t lazy I’d make a prot paladin and RP in all m+ and nonstop chain pull...
Idk if we have the strength to manage the goth hello kitty hpriest that comes with the duty
pallid quiver
hi everyone!
Small question, what stats are you using? im starting +9 and we ge...
Optimal stats is more ilvl
long bronze
or just do it in top-gear and copy your armory talents
pallid quiver
there's an extremely unlikely chance that whatever you have doesn't have ilvl increases, and Str slaps all other stats in value
wooden spruce
Optimal stats is more ilvl
i know, but i mean secondary stats once i get good gear
pallid quiver
Realistically, you just sim for most damage
long bronze
there's an _extremely_ unlikely chance that whatever you have doesn't have ilvl ...
sadly not as much anymore
one day blizz will be able to consistantly make main stat always bis
pallid quiver
All secondaries are close enough that there's not really any major difference
sharp gale
Just look for haste shit and sim what you got
pallid quiver
sadly not as much anymore
Other than rings and tier, almost all of my chars sim more off ilvl than any combination of stats
smoky anvil
Haste is typically first amongst equals. Sim to be sure because no one knows your exact loadout.
sharp gale
Floodgate good dungeon to farm for hero track loot imo
pallid quiver
I don't think Floodgate is real
smoky anvil
It’s just a good dungeon imo. Shits fun.
topaz latch
is dawnthread lining not scaling with us?
charred lodge
US servers down?
long bronze
Other than rings and tier, almost all of my chars sim more off ilvl than any com...
well for prot that's not due to strength, that's due to close secondary dps gains per point
but strength is not going to be your highest dps stat anymore
smoky anvil
Motherlode, priory, and rookery are the dungeons on my shit list so far
long bronze
unless your gear is garbo
pallid quiver
you're really nitpicking at this point, Trrriple
because higher ilvl means higher of both
you can't suddenly disentangle str from secondaries
sharp gale
Im sitting with 2 sparks on my warrior, the thought of crafting is stronk but I want to wait lel
wooden spruce
thanks, im going hard on haste but last season i went haste+crit and was a lot of fun, i was looking on wlogs and people were doing haste+mastery, after that crit and almost no vers
long bronze
eh fair,
but
and Str slaps all other stats in value
is just flat wrong so
pallid quiver
they come together as a package outside of trinkets, and trinkets have other considerations
sharp gale
Yeah it’s more that ilvl is slaps than strength alone
long bronze
yep
smoky anvil
I sent a crafted shield and will send crafted bracers. Both were my embellish pieces last season. Legit never saw a myth track shield.
sharp gale
I sent a crafted shield and will send crafted bracers. Both were my embellish pi...
You have a spark half given next to catalyst
pallid quiver
that's how RNG goes
sharp gale
smoky anvil
Ya, gonna send bracers when I’m out of my wage cage.
chilly brook
sim bugging out kekw
smoky anvil
Very excited tbh.
sharp gale
Im waiting my warrior to be done with hero piece farm / tier to craft
sharp gale
Since it’s my alt this tier
long bronze
that is some big fuckin dam right there
dusky canopy
https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-half-spark-now-available-from-revival-catalyst-...
Inb4 you can save for next week and do the exploit again
smoky anvil
Since it’s my alt this tier
I’m contemplating sending a VDH
toxic pewter
anyone else not get Gallagio Highroller's Bombstone for getting 2500
long bronze
mine just showed up in my bags instantly, maybe relog?
chilly brook
apparently it doesn't like putting in the custom APL
sharp gale
I’m contemplating sending a VDH
Im hesitating to try vdh tbh, but for now 2 char takes me enough of my time
long bronze
you can copy mine (From Nom) If you need Griff
smoky anvil
I’m waiting for my war to be in a better spot before I do
chilly brook
I copied and pasted from nom's message
toxic pewter
ohh lol i was searcing for bombstone like the achievement says but the item is a boomstone
smoky anvil
Need this character in maintenance mode
chilly brook
long bronze
you need the whole apl, just just the little action line
maybe obvious, but just in case
sharp gale
Yeah you can’t put just 1 line
chilly brook
just funny that it bugged out, I'll just delete and repaste
sharp gale
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7XKEbjwkLvF2zjPnL84AeW
if you want the apl i just steal it from nome sim
chilly brook
it fixed itself
sharp gale
I have bigger pp ilvl than him 👿
chilly brook
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8WXYbMsMUAk1bZcGETdWaL
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gc3kmDT27pWPbJ5f1VdkkQ
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9Tj5Y7GfFX8Yt9Xc8XjkkA
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oxtUqYaHUqs1FkpTRk6duv
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5166csBrHmUvrNa4skCaax
So TLDR anything 3 targets or less tome is better. Up to 3.8% in pure 3m boss fight (for my character). Seaforium+House of Cards is anywhere from 1%-2% better everywhere else.
long bronze
yep that pretty much agrees with my findings
chilly brook
You spend most of the dungeon not in 3 targets or less
Idk you make the choice on whether 40-50k extra single target is worth it or doing consistently more damage everywhere else
long bronze
Yep, I want the ST dam
same reason I run authority of the depths over the other one
looks like you do too 
chilly brook
I just had extra enchants 😛
haven't bothered actually looking at the difference between the two since getting a new weapon
long bronze
same as it's always been
smoky anvil
I tend to prefer multi target dam and letting my dps handle single.
long bronze
depths = ST radiant power = aoe
smoky anvil
I’ll experiment more this season
long bronze
I wonder if that secondary stats ones are worth it now / soon with more gear
chilly brook
depths = ST radiant power = aoe
yeah I meant more how much of a difference it maths out to be
long bronze
it was like 8k or so last time I checked
in ST that is
I don't look at AOE stuff too much, that tends to just work out
short apex
new pb in a 10 babey
chilly brook
all I know is I won't get tired of how much dps complain about me riding their ass in damage
gleaming sable
how are you meant to do corridor creepers in cleft? i thought u just had to kite them away from the recently dead mobs but that did not help
long bronze
the dot hurts
gleaming sable
yeah but how do i deal with it?
we timed so it's not the end of the world but they hurt a lot on 10 lol
long bronze
get healed, run away, or SR one to stop the refresh
shut summit
run away screaming, pull as little of them as possible
also the sleeping ones give count but don't give the stacking dot
long bronze
the screaming part is important
gleaming sable
i see
shut summit
so those are free af to pull into boss
smoky anvil
I’ve been using ritual mud trinket in DFC. Big shield allows time to kite, and it being a debuff means it comes off CD quite fast. That’s one of the only scary parts of the dungeon ime.
gleaming sable
yeah it's pretty free otherwise
long bronze
@chilly brook you may find this interesting
gleaming sable
but that was scary
long bronze
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nLT8CzM2cVUYZ9Uxozh6Kv
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/h44NptKo3eCFF1wPKfyKjA
pallid quiver
run away screaming, pull as little of them as possible
I feel this on an emotional level
smoky anvil
It’s def a big investment for a portion of the dungeon that you want to be as small as possible
The trinket, I mean
long bronze
haste enchant kinda goated?
smoky anvil
I just hate risking that part
long bronze
guess I should do all the chants
chilly brook
I don't look at AOE stuff too much, that tends to just work out
20k difference in aoe vs like 30k in st
long bronze
we must be seeing something different
oh
sorry that's a difference message you responded to
chilly brook
TLDR radiant power doesn't look worth
chilly brook
yeah maybe?
long bronze
Depending on your gear, this will change, but actually pretty interesting
ST:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fMgrqojSX8YvALZzJSLkJF
AOE:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wpVXm2n41Nm7VTebPHYGHD
chilly brook
less delta between aoe and st
long bronze
colossus goes brr
long bronze
do note these include a wep change, so these values are inflated, it's the same wep so relative to each other the same
chilly brook
yea
long bronze
next pasture
why is this sword not discounted??? for upgrades?
chilly brook
yea delta is nicer between the two on the crit enchant
unborn island
why is this sword not discounted??? for upgrades?
Might because be because it's a 1h and your shield is lower....?
next pasture
damn, that's unfortunate... i feel like i've upgrades weapons a lot
nocturne spindle
need both slots at whatever level for stuff to be discounted
austere cosmos
seems odd since upgrading a 2 hander first discounted 1hander and shield
austere cosmos
crafting shield would discount the 1 hander if u were considering that most likely though
pallid quiver
Every spec (except Fury) needs to level both main and offhand up before getting discounts
Since there's specs tha dual wield (Enha, Frost DK, Rogues), specs that use 2Hs (a lot), specs that use 1H and Shield,
So you need both slots up to stay relatively fair
A 2H costs more to upgrade than a 1H or Shield as a compromise
But if it just drops at a higher level, that bypasses that a bit
just like how if you use 2H, you only need 1 hand slot drop at all to be done
Fury's the exception since they need two 2Hs, so they get a freebie pass since somebody has to if there's a rule breaker like Fury
rough ridge
can anyone provide a bit of insight on why getting a high ilevel shield (or crafting one) is better early than a weapon? (according to wowhead if I am reading correctly)
long bronze
block value
the bulk of pwar mitigation is block, it only comes from your shield
early in season living is usually more of an issue than damming, so shield is usually the smart move. It's not a throw to craft wep first if you want the dam more
rough ridge
thanks for the clarity, I appreciate that! Makes sense to me
austere cosmos
1 hander or 2nd thread item better for 2nd craft with shield crafted 1st
long bronze
depends if you want the immediate dam of a crafted wep vs locking in a permanant slot for the season
crafted wep isn't BiS
jagged gust
If you're gonna run fury for vault i'd wait another week to craft main hand just in case you get lucky
long bronze
for myself, by the time I care about the delta between myth wep and crafted wep, I'm swimming in sparks and crests so I don't really care about the "waste"
jagged gust
I crafted a shield, waiting on 2nd vault for if I craft a weapon or 2nd embellish in bracer/cloak slot
I'm just running another sim rn to double check my numbers, but overall embellishes are a big nothing burger in terms of gains and you shouldn't be too concerned over them
yeah taking a 9ilvl loss on bracers to hold on to my S1 embellish is a .7% dps gain (With worse stats on the new bracers)
lusty grotto
anyone having problems logging into battle net?
apparently there's some issues
nmv NA is fucked again isnt it
yeah just checked even liquid is fucked
slender marsh
#gingiemp
slender marsh
Between the power outage, and now servers being down twice in the last two days Liquid having a good time lol
lusty grotto
yeah
the power thing i can understand but every single season there's a fucking DDoS
unbelievable
oh shit critcake got banned?
wtf
i just got home from the office wtf is going on lol
ornate spire
he seems pretty stressed on the video
lusty grotto
of course he would be, he earns some money playing the game and streaming
iirc hes not a full time streamer but he does
ornate spire
Let's wait to see what happens
lusty grotto
nothing will happen really
ornate spire
I'll play devils advocate but if i was on his place, i would not be so nervous knowing i did nothing wrong and have a platform
He seems VERY nervous
Maybe he did not cheat per se
lusty grotto
nah
ornate spire
but used something that he knew could be detected as cheat
lusty grotto
critcake has been playing for years
ornate spire
so it's a gray area
jagged gust
servers up nim
lusty grotto
its a false positive for sure
lusty grotto
servers up nim
sweet ty
ornate spire
But he is well known
lusty grotto
im in
jagged gust
but used something that he knew could be detected as cheat
I had an auto clicker program running while playing wow, always wondered how likely it is to trigger something so long as I don't press the execute function
I don't cheat in wow, I'm just oddly addicted to cookie clicker
dusky canopy
oh shit critcake got banned?
Flase ban for “hacking”
Coincidentally on the same server as the gallywix exploiters so I’d assume it’s somehow related
ornate spire
I had an auto clicker program running while playing wow, always wondered how lik...
That is the type of stuff i'm talking about
I don't think he cheated
But i think he did use something for convenience that could trigger a ban
And he's nervous because it's kind of a gray area
lusty grotto
i mean for all we know blizzard banning some random shit like hall effect keyboards
lusty grotto
Coincidentally on the same server as the gallywix exploiters so I’d assume it’s ...
ohhh
then in that case, false flag
ornate spire
I've read that the "exploit" was using macros to use spells that should not be possible to use
austere cosmos
my brother got a 6 month ban for a macro to target a vendor and buy an item that he was manually clicking they are really cracking down nowadays
ornate spire
More of an oopsie from blizz
lusty grotto
if there was a ban wave then its likely the DDoS is related, though its weird that its only happening on NA servers
steep quarry
I'll play devils advocate but if i was on his place, i would not be so nervous k...
I don't think he was nervous at all. He was just in disbelieve since he just lost an account with over 1000 days /played for no reason.
austere cosmos
the appropriate response to an unreasonable ban as a warrior main should be rage no 😛
dusky canopy
Critcake is chill humble guy
steep quarry
yeah
but he did look like he is gonna summit1g smash his monitor at any moment. As would I in his situation ngl
potent lance
Hey guys, how do I balance Shield Block and Ignore Pain, could someone help me with this? I'm having some trouble in Mythic +
Or if someone have any video, would be grateful
nocturne spindle
Shield block is always important
Ignore pain only to be used if you are gonna max your rage really
mighty valley
Yeah - try to have shield block up at all times you're taking melee damage
Press IP when your rage is high to make sure you don't overcap
You can generally keep it that simple
dusky canopy
Silly hacker man!!
crimson bolt
what are you guys going for crafting this week?
just got my wrists crafted
cant decide the second piece
mighty valley
do you have access to a big shield via other means
crimson bolt
not really...only have a regular hero shield from Priory
but I do have a crappy weapon from last season
mighty valley
shield's the most important defensive slot, weapon will probably give you the biggest damage boost for Right Now
but tbh damage is unlikely to be what's holding you back
maybe just wait til next vault since it's late in the week
tired forge
soooo is prot war going to pull a prot pally and become meta once it can live high keys?
i really dont want to get griefed and reroll lol
twilit turtle
warrior or paladin this is the question
just no more than m+ 10 and focused to M raid
lusty grotto
technically
since we're the raid tank
we're "meta"
keys is a whole nother topic
its been a while since we've been hard slotted into RWF tank slots
honestly only due to WW being good
otherwise Arms would be taking up the warrior slots
sour flicker
guys, champion track Seaforium pacemaker or hero track scrapfield 9001 ? 😄
lusty grotto
sim
sour flicker
sim sims damage, not survivability
lusty grotto
so?
use pacemaker for easy keys, scrap for whenever you feel you need the help to survive
its not hard
otherwise, sim
sour flicker
still not sure of crit impact on parry
smoky anvil
Don’t think too hard, keep sb up, and bang.
fluid widget
when it says mudslide is “reflectable” what exactly does that entail
lusty grotto
still not sure of crit impact on parry
for the most part if its not crit rating it doesnt add parry
young wasp
when it says mudslide is “reflectable” what exactly does that entail
I dont think it does damage back but you can block it 100%
distant marsh
Does anybody else struggle with rage generation in keys? I feel like if I pull less than 6 mobs, I'm struggling for rage.
young wasp
Only tried it once though so no idea what sense meant
lusty grotto
oh it is crit rating
proc adds like 2-3% parry
so its minimal in comparison to scrap i guess
@sour flicker
sour flicker
need to sim item lvl impact
lusty grotto
yes
mighty valley
we're "meta"
yeah i just don't think the rwf meta matters for raid tanks at all lmao
sour flicker
got a feeling that pacemaker is still better cause im heavy on haste
lusty grotto
likely
lusty grotto
yeah i just don't think the rwf meta matters for raid tanks at all lmao
you'd be surprised how many mythic guilds go with copy pasted rosters
its ridiculous
south zealot
prove it
lusty grotto
i mean not talking about top guilds like yours
south zealot
i dont raid anymore
ur right tho ppl blindly follow what they see on twitch for no reason
toxic urchin
what's everyone crafting after 1hand?
lusty grotto
yeah thats what i meant
south zealot
shield then 1 hand
lusty grotto
why arent you raiding choco?
toxic urchin
@south zealot ty
lusty grotto
taking a break?
lusty grotto
true
south zealot
theres a handful of good 2 day guilds but im probably not good enough for them
lusty grotto
pfft lol, of course you are
spare cave
is there too much dps difference between colosus and mountin for m+?
south zealot
maybe back in the day
lusty grotto
yes
south zealot
im a magus now
lusty grotto
😮
mighty valley
is there too much dps difference between colosus and mountin for m+?
yeah it's a decent gap in aoe
in favor of colossus
sour flicker
is there too much dps difference between colosus and mountin for m+?
enough to compete with lazy dps
south zealot
colossus did that last patch too
spare cave
is rotation change when we switch to colossus?
sour flicker
less impact on thunderclap more on revenge
spare cave
we still use thundeclap on cd right?
smoky anvil
Pack gathering requires your dps to hold their cocks for a moment
balmy pier
should I focus on keeping my old 4 set, or should I upgrade every piece as I get it and go for ilvl? or where can I find the answer? 😛
sour flicker
should I focus on keeping my old 4 set, or should I upgrade every piece as I ge...
sim
lusty grotto
should I focus on keeping my old 4 set, or should I upgrade every piece as I ge...
sim
smoky anvil
should I focus on keeping my old 4 set, or should I upgrade every piece as I ge...
Sim.
fluid widget
Colossus is fun in keys, just making sure you have rage since its not as massive snap threat with TC thane
lusty grotto
🤝
distant marsh
Feel like I can't keep IP up in larger pulls without spamming the hell out of it.
balmy pier
i thought I can only sim for dps not survivability?
lusty grotto
for tier, dps = surv
smoky anvil
^
lusty grotto
s1 tier defensive set bonuses suck dick
smoky anvil
Further, for survival, you’re best off jumping ilvl almost always.
In reality, survival is more buttons than gear until truly pushing big keys and big content
distant marsh
I'm struggling to do much past a 10
balmy pier
yeah the 4 piece is just 3% less dmg and some harder claps, which does sound good, but now I have 3 pieces that are +30 ilvl but they would break my set, and most have haste crit or haste verse
fluid widget
There also seems to be a bunch of “cc and jump” so a stacking dot can fall off
balmy pier
yeah i am starting to feel that
lusty grotto
just sim tbh
smoky anvil
^
lusty grotto
sim is likely to recommend 2pc from s1
sour flicker
i actually prefer lower ilvl with much haste than higher ilvl with low haste
lusty grotto
until you get 2pc etc
surreal thunder
How close is mountain thane compared to colossus in aoe?
sour flicker
How close is mountain thane compared to colossus in aoe?
15% gap
surreal thunder
with colossus being higher right?
vocal flame
Gotten this 4 times farming for tome lol
sour flicker
no sry
smoky anvil
Colossus bangs hard, highly recommend swapping.
sour flicker
thats for single
lusty grotto
no, youre right
surreal thunder
i tried it this 10, it def bangs hard but i find mountain thane a lot more fun lol
balmy pier
hate to be a bother but how do I sim? I have the /simc command and use raidbots, but that sims for dps doesnt it?
sour flicker
Gotten this 4 times farming for tome lol
lusty grotto
15%-20% on aoe for colossus
smoky anvil
The play style adjustment isn’t too big.
vocal flame
way to show off lol
sour flicker
😄
surreal thunder
yeah colossus def does more damage but i hate the spell revenge, wish they would rework it lol
sour flicker
i was so surprised that I looted it
smoky anvil
hate to be a bother but how do I sim? I have the /simc command and use raidbots,...
If you’re dying you’re failing in SB uptime, improper use of CDs/rage/team isn’t helping when they should.
south zealot
colossus has always banged
vocal flame
How is it?
south zealot
yeah colossus def does more damage but i hate the spell revenge, wish they woul...
why
its just a frontal cone
a colossal frontal cone no pun intended
smoky anvil
One of those is occurring.
balmy pier
oh im not dying a whole lot, I just hate having 3 pieces in my bags that are 30 ilvl higher than my set pieces
lusty grotto
sim
smoky anvil
The previous phase set was pretty cheeks.
surreal thunder
i just always hated revenge
lusty grotto
1 target patchwerk 3 mins
south zealot
hate to be a bother but how do I sim? I have the /simc command and use raidbots,...
correct
lusty grotto
5 target patchwerk 1.5 or 1 min
south zealot
you dont sim for survivability
lusty grotto
thats it
smoky anvil
You’re not likely to lose defensiveness with 3 30+ ilvl increases dude.
That’s a metric fuckton of stats
vocal flame
dude trust me u will surive longer and do more damage getting rid of that last tier set for that much of an increase
smoky anvil
The previous season set was kinda cheeks. Equip your new purples and go be happy. This is too much thought.
vocal flame
^
balmy pier
weeee hurray i will
fluid widget
1 target patchwerk 3 mins
3m instead of 5?
vocal flame
stam gains alone u will be better lol
lusty grotto
5m is fine
balmy pier
lastly I am on raidbots, how do I set a sim for the multi target 5 min thing
surreal thunder
Should i be pressing demolish at start of pulls at 0 stacks or wait for 10?
lusty grotto
i full send it with avatar + demo at the start
smoky anvil
I send at beginning. Demo shout/ava -> demolish
lusty grotto
and then just wait for demo (because likely avatar will be up) for subsequent
surreal thunder
When demolish comes off cd you would prob be close to 10 stacks right?
lusty grotto
itll be at 10
smoky anvil
Prolly at 10 stacks before it’s off cd
lusty grotto
if youre playing correctly
smoky anvil
Ya
distant marsh
Any pro tips for better rage generation? Mainly on ST boss fights
south zealot
use shield slam whenevr you can
balmy pier
5 target patchwerk 1.5 or 1 min
5 bosses?
smoky anvil
Any pro tips for better rage generation? Mainly on ST boss fights
Don’t starve yourself on IP and revenge.
Be a lil patient.
surreal thunder
yea colossus you're pressing revege more right? where mountain thane it's more shield slams?
smoky anvil
Thane is more tclap/tblast
smoky anvil
Both have high prio on SS
lusty grotto
also make sure you have M+ talents picked
balmy pier
fight length = 1min or 1.5 min
so bosses 1, fight length 1 or 1.5?
lusty grotto
5 bosses
AOE = 5x patchwerks, 1 min or 1.5 min
ST = 1x patchwerk, 3 mins (5 mins also works for wowaudit)
distant marsh
Don’t starve yourself on IP and revenge.
So are there moments where i'll just be sitting on my hands waiting?
balmy pier
gotcha gotcha, thanks a lot nimchip
lusty grotto
yeah its an aoe sim so you need more than 1 target heh
distant marsh
Feel like a 659 ilvl, I shouldn't be getting clapped as hard as I am in a 10. I'm definitely spending my rage like a dumby.
lusty grotto
probably a skill issue
surreal thunder
Do i still want to use flask of alchemical chaos as colossus, or do i want to use tempered aggression?
lusty grotto
i use alc chaos but you can sim if you want to
south zealot
Feel like a 659 ilvl, I shouldn't be getting clapped as hard as I am in a 10. I'...
i feel like you should have literally 0 issues surviving regardless of how youre spending your rage
probably a big cooldown misusage rather than a rage misuage
assuming you arent overcapping rage, just overspending it
south zealot
even if you are, shouldnt really struggle living in just a 10
distant marsh
I know I'm pressing IP way too often, but isn't it important to keep it up?
analog lantern
Hmm I just made a 2H 675, but upgrading my 1h and shield still requires runed & gilded crests, I can't upgrade with just valorstones, is this intentional? 🤔
distant marsh
put the 2h in both slots
distant marsh
Weapon slots are weapon slots. Doesn't matter what type is in it
lusty grotto
it has never been
lunar pivot
hello mates, what craft did you make with your first two sparks?
vocal flame
Shield for me
distant marsh
putting in both slots is NOT required
🤷
lunar pivot
i did shield too but for the second, i dont know, maybe weapon ?
lusty grotto
this worked + cheers
unborn island
Just got trolled in floodgate
Trinket drops
In 10
642 warbound version
Absolute trolls
glacial lynx
I used my gilded upgrading my tome and now have to wait to recraft my shield T.T
wooden gorge
man i feel like im struggling hard with rage generation, any tips? do i just need more haste for globals, often feel like i have to afk wait for rage to build to dump on ip/rev and wait for tc/ss
granted only doing 0s for gear 620 ilvl atm
urban portal
You are pressing too much of your spenders then
wooden gorge
You are pressing too much of your spenders then
is there normally downtime in the rotation or is it my haste? sometimes im leaping just to charge for rage
doesnt feel normal
urban portal
It’s not your haste
wooden gorge
sounds good
south zealot
ur 4head
mighty valley
I know I'm pressing IP way too often, but isn't it important to keep it up?
late response but IP uptime isn’t as important as maximizing longer term rage generation by making sure you’re always pressing buttons
gotta get as many ss reset chances as possible
distant marsh
late response but IP uptime isn’t as important as maximizing longer term rage ge...
Thanks for the response
mighty valley
if you press IP because you panic about losing uptime now, you’re hurting future you
distant marsh
I tanked on a DH for 3 expansions and I main fury now, I just tank for keys to help guildies. Prot plays way different than DH
mighty valley
occasionally it’s right to press IP to survive something RIGHT NOW that would otherwise kill you but most of the time, you shouldn’t overthink “ip uptime”
distant marsh
I focus too much on IP uptime
mighty valley
sb is your “keep this up always” buff
distant marsh
Yeah I would prio SB over IP, but I'd spam IP too much and get fucked with a 2-3 second SB void
mighty valley
yeah your whole engine sputters to a halt when you can’t press buttons
we get SO much from every point of rage spent that you want to keep it flowing
distant marsh
I felt like prot played better last season. I only did a few keys as prot tho
In terms of button mashing
Could be all in my head tho 😂
mighty valley
last season’s thane had such bonkers rage gen and so few gaps to be filled with revenge that you really could just wildly press IP and be mostly fine
mighty valley
the rule of thumb was roughly the same (press IP to prevent overcap) but that was just… most of the time lol
distant marsh
Well, I hit 2500, but I need to redo my play style to push any higher.
valid shard
hey fellas new to prot, mthane i find simple to play and not bad dam like 1.4m overall in 7s. collossus i kinda find it hard to get threat and gather adds cause i cant spam thunderblast. any tips?
solar gorge
How am i supposed to live Priory first Boss on a 14? just tried it and i run out of defensives at around 30% and external doesnt cover enough time. Im not a dwarf, do i need an evoker?
distant marsh
hey fellas new to prot, mthane i find simple to play and not bad dam like 1.4m o...
Roar and shout are your friends. Also, tell DPS to pull their fingers off their keyboard for 2 seconds
solar gorge
Roar and shout are your friends. Also, tell DPS to pull their fingers off their ...
roar i get but what does shout to gather packs?
mighty valley
yeeeaaahhh gathering is honestly where colossus is the weakest, in a perfect world dps just holds a moment til you’ve planted
valid shard
Roar and shout are your friends. Also, tell DPS to pull their fingers off their ...
hahah roger this bro ty
solar gorge
nvm i thought challening shout says challening roar 😄
valid shard
yer the shoot adds in priory so annoying!
distant marsh
nvm i thought challening shout says challening roar 😄
😉
mighty valley
those the ones that jump? Folks should gather on you for them
distant marsh
Think he meant the sharpshooters
distant marsh
balmy canyon
does immovable object proc off the tierset?
toxic pewter
no
vague abyss
what you people are spending your sparks into? idk if to make a crafted shield or just do a 2handed because my luck has been quite bad for it
young wasp
Anyone else love 4 set gameplay being suboptimal for pretty much everything beyond 2 target cleave? Love being punished for trying to play around the shield charge reset when all I should be doing is spamming revenge 
vague abyss
(yeah i kind of need a 2h, i have to dps in raid 😦
cursive needle
Guys, are we pushing whirlwind in m+?
jagged gust
I mean if you want
you absolutely shouldnt
and it would be a bad idea to
in any scenario
solemn current
Anyone else love 4 set gameplay being suboptimal for pretty much everything beyo...
It’s not really suboptimal, you want to revenge as much as you can but you still want to shield slam virtually on CD especially during tierset procs. Depending on crit rating it’s guaranteed crit which is big damage and double colossus smash stacks. Plus you need rage to revenge more.
young wasp
It’s not really suboptimal, you want to revenge as much as you can but you still...
I'll have to test it again, last night just spamming revenge on 5 targets was netting me 4+ mil while fishing for shield slams with revenge and tclap tended to lower the overall dmg
polar atlas
Men I need advice
now that I can craft another piece what should I do
Wep or just a random piece
jagged gust
listen to your heart
solemn current
Well yea tclap is solely for applying rend and fishing for shield slams when low on rage with no procs, but hitting shield slam is going to net you more survivability and more damage in the long run. If im capped on rage I just send the excess on ignore pain rather than ignore shield slam. If you ignore any generating you’ll end up dry and no room for ignore pains.
sharp gale
listen to your baguette
jagged gust
I'm crafting a helm, cuz tier has no haste
polar atlas
Should the crafted be wep with my shield or
sharp gale
i didn't do a single craft bc warrior is still in hero track farm
toxic pewter
with tier set do we want to stop getting crit at 25% or that doesnt matter
jagged gust
Even sims prove you want to essentially hit TC on CD, let alone SS
sharp gale
tbh i use almost TC on cd to build rage for more revenge
jagged gust
with tier set do we want to stop getting crit at 25% or that doesnt matter
you get diminishing returns the closer to 25% you go
sounds like it might be
a sim angle
sharp gale
nah when there is enough targets i just revenge brrrrr
i dump in revenge (will stop when things hurt ofc)
next pasture
in shadowlands you could choose which miniboss to get on the last set, is that still the case since they removed the shield wall ability they had?
strong forum
dont think we know yet
heavy sparrow
I'll have to test it again, last night just spamming revenge on 5 targets was ne...
I'm in yeah it's nice because we need that damage to maintain control of the situation when doing medium to large pulls
mint night
quick question from someone out of the loop: how dead is mountain thane prot? i see zero people playing it anymore, is it completely unplayable?
mighty valley
quick question from someone out of the loop: how dead is mountain thane prot? i ...
it’s probably a touch more survivable while doing a good bit less damage in aoe
nothing in the game is “completely unplayable” but most people are just trying to do big damage in m+
mint night
makes sense. my gear is still in the 630s so was curious if i could live 10s better with thane over the other until i gear up. appreciate it
mint night
they are mighty tempting
next pasture
is this too much IP for a 12 theater? i did much less damage than i do in like, a 10
idk if i don't trust myself, or don't trust my healer
onyx vessel
Did you die or lose threat or fail key?
next pasture
we timed by a minute lol
waxen frigate
Then no more IP
Me when I remove my internet access from my house
chilly brook
shit why did I have to be on Tich
fallow fern
Archon shows most ppl changed to Colosus.. I'm maybe behind.. is it much better than MT in keys now?
sharp gale
Archon shows most ppl changed to Colosus.. I'm maybe behind.. is it much better ...
damage
stiff gate
when do you guys taunt swap on lockenstock? we were trying to have 1 tank take stacks, then 2nd tank taunt for the bomb, 1st tank taunt back while the 2nd tank took it out, then have 2nd tank take the boss when he got back, but that just drs taunt pretty much immediately
this is on heroic
surreal thunder
Would be doing double duskthread embellish on belt/boots be dumb or are those okay pieces to do them on?
kinda only 2 options i can do rn with current gear lol
prime sphinx
when do you guys taunt swap on lockenstock? we were trying to have 1 tank take s...
We just swap after each bomb pop something big for it
slender wedge
guys, coming back to prot war since last season, now that we use colossus we spam revenge instead on TC ?
or we keep our rotation like we used to
agile elbow
Would be doing double duskthread embellish on belt/boots be dumb or are those ok...
Embellishments are such a tiny thing overall it doesn't matter.
oak ivy
Ok I have officially made the conversion from being a Vers soy to a Crit chad
vocal flame
Crit = life
fallow fern
what weekly quest actually give the spark this week (not the free one) is it the TW one?
surreal thunder
Embellishments are such a tiny thing overall it doesn't matter.
i kinda wish they would remove them lmao
past cobalt
when playing colossus, do you use demolish on CD? does it roughly line up with demo shout or is it just the opener and then both whenever?
sharp gale
what weekly quest actually give the spark this week (not the free one) is it the...
The 100 thingy in front of Dornogal tavern
idle copper
when playing colossus, do you use demolish on CD? does it roughly line up with d...
First one on 3 stacks, then on CD after that
ruby musk
God I love Colossus
oak ivy
Anyone know the RPPM on Cinderbrew Stein?
onyx vessel
Me when I remove my internet access from my house
lusty grotto
Anyone know the RPPM on Cinderbrew Stein?
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=446648/cinderbrew-stein always check wowhead
i am finally a 4pc enjoyer
c:
still no tome
or neck
next pasture
how to live corridor creepers on a 13 dfc?
livid granite
God I love Colossus
i bet you were in battle stance and you have a godly healer carrying your a s s
novel pike
imagine not being perma battle stance
livid granite
<:dandy:809705852658253844>
what wierd ? the guy is in battlestance and he has gigachad members interrupting everything and godly healer or how come he beats 2 dps . we know colo is godly damage but not like this
cerulean tusk
how to live corridor creepers on a 13 dfc?
Just take the first stacks on the chin, then leap away for the reset using wall and IP to keep it safe.
Using intervene to get away is also decent.
Up to you to feel out when you need to reset tho, I only done 11. 8+ is when it becomes dangerous in my experience
lusty grotto
no need to be a dick about it
cerulean tusk
I am confused, why the Madge? Nim tldr me
livid granite
whats the problem
what dick ya nim what dick , i bet you haven't done any +12 with random pugs in battlestance , go do it and come talk here linking your meter pragging about it
sharp gale
wicked pollen
i need to upload every log of me playing colo
sharp gale
I did another 13 million on first pack of cinderbrew
wicked pollen
im bursting as high as other dps with full cds
cerulean tusk
Ye, playing Fury with BDK made me sad 😢
sharp gale
Tank doing damage = FUN
cerulean tusk
True and real
sharp gale
Even on my warrior (not geared yet) I like it
cerulean tusk
As long tank is a bit behind equal skilled/geared DPS, tanks should be able to pump
Feels good being able to carry a bad dps as tank, instead of the key being dead
sharp gale
Yeah when I do 2.8m in actual skill group, the others are 3.5+
I don’t mind being a little behind
cerulean tusk
Being ahead would be wrong fr
sharp gale
But I hope my presence in cinderbrew 8-10s (so being top damage sometime) will not create trouble eheh
I need that fucking neck
livid granite
@cerulean tusk @sharp gale @wicked pollen @lusty grotto you don't understand a thing i have tried to do +10s as a colo prot and i memorized all optimal routes with pulls etc on internet the problem is in pugs if you do some chunky of 2 packs pulls or for example first pull with bl , alot of members doesn't bother to interrupt or cc the adds or use defensive that resulted in alot of wipes and deaths , it's not about the numbers it about how you play correctly
cerulean tusk
A lot of bruised egoes in low keys till I get my flood trinky
sharp gale
Mass stun
livid granite
bro you need to
i need to marry you
cerulean tusk
I still have no clue why you are mad
lusty grotto
you wouldnt want people to be toxic cause you yourself did well
livid granite
you wouldnt want people to be toxic cause you yourself did well
no i actually want to ask you one question i don't understand until now
cerulean tusk
Maybe Notche is underperforming? If so, just don't worry about it. It is week 2, ppl and you will become better with time
sharp gale
<@237283524040851459> <@247128537994231808> <@335579026259312641> <@131897531251...
Yeah pug life, people pull the patrol sometime in my floodgates on the first pull, or miss a kick, I don’t see the point of what you are saying
cerulean tusk
Miss a trickshot 
sharp gale
I don’t pull them on the first pull
sharp gale
Yep i prefer having a billion more melee hitters by grabbing the pack behind the shack
cerulean tusk
I do the same, get em for the mass AoE and perfect %
sharp gale
I want to see the dps of my group doing 10m+ with only 1 caster
livid granite
@lusty grotto @cerulean tusk let's say you funky or Nimp started motherlorde +10 or higher and you have an optimal route planned in your head to time it with ease you decided to bloodlust pull first packs based on the most upvoted route on the internet but you kept wiping cause interrupts or cc were less at this point do you blame yourself as a tank and take the shame that you pricked the key or you go like a chicken pulling each pack 1 time which is never presented in any +10 route , or let's say you kill the first boss of motherlorde you went to pull the extractor and another pack with him , people kept dying couldn't handle it cause its 2 packs plus the pulsy guy on ground now what do you feel , are you a bad tank cause you did a regular 2 packs based on the guides or you should slow down and pull 1 pack each like a sissy at +10
lusty grotto
uhh
sharp gale
I have no route for Motherlode I press W
cerulean tusk
Ok, I am still confused. Why are you attacking a another guy for doing well
livid granite
why would you think youre a bad tank in that scenario
i feel guilt when the group dies espically if they are guildies and have killed bosses in mythic raid , my brain think of them as a highly people but i can't comprehend it when we can't handle 3 packs with lust or just a regular 2 packs
livid granite
did you die yourself?
i died last
lusty grotto
idk i always double pull after 1st boss
sharp gale
Ofc you can feel guilty, you think you wiped solely because of you, or that if a wipe could have been prevented by you (routing) it means you caused it ?
cerulean tusk
So Notche, why were you mad at the guy linking his little ego boost moment?
Gameplay is all about adapting and learning, just go again and it will be sorted out
lusty grotto
if they are having problems around the ground aoes, just pull the double to 1st boss room
livid granite
if they are having problems around the ground aoes, just pull the double to 1st ...
thanks for the tip
lusty grotto
yeah i mean funky is right, there's no need to be mad at others for unrelated reasons
sharp gale
Double extractor = I want to punish casters with hell
livid granite
Double extractor = I want to punish casters with hell <:keks:936231610850897992>
impossible , have you done it ?
sharp gale
Sometime I do
cerulean tusk
It was the standard pull for quite a few routes. Just stagger so melee get to happy feet DPS
Not recommend for sure
wicked pollen
@livid granite you need to calm the fuck down
livid granite
<@744799820014813224> you need to calm the fuck down
ya Gio i love you ya gio but the guy pragged too much tbh
wicked pollen
???
i have infinite logs of me doing better than him
thats nothing
0 reason to bring anyone down
sharp gale
But for context @livid granite : I don’t push, I lurk in 10s on bdk, I might push when my war is rdy
lusty grotto
i feel like im missing something, he only posted a screenie and said he loves colossus, i dont see the problem witht hat
wicked pollen
i feel like im missing something, he only posted a screenie and said he loves co...
there is nothing wrong with that
cerulean tusk
Coretin sent one message being proud of himself, and that was too much?
livid granite
But for context <@744799820014813224> : I don’t push, I lurk in 10s on bdk, I mi...
i feel that we wipe sometimes cause as a warrior we don't have tools like bdk or dh that grabs all mobs in one place
sharp gale
Yeah I feel bad in priory with my warrior / the first area
lusty grotto
why though