protection

[toxic pewter]

And it hurts but not awful

[sharp gale]

Hurts how much ?

[toxic pewter]

Well with shield wall brought me down to like 40% or something

I even first time clicked both without shield wall up and I survived

[sharp mesa]

thats pretty big

[sharp gale]

Oh ok I thought it was big

[toxic pewter]

It’s not small

[sharp gale]

You didn’t die

[toxic pewter]

But not like you’re tanking boss or any other damage

[sharp gale]

That’s small to me

[toxic pewter]

In that moment

Ya

It’s smallish

Might as well click both bombs in my opinion

[jagged gust]

https://youtu.be/owX-Cp8mPO4?t=120

[sharp mesa]

One of our tanks is dying on Sprocket currently because the bomb is hitting them for a crazy amount

i know the tank debuff makes them take more damage, just trying to figure out the right timing on swap

[sharp gale]

Which bomb ?

[toxic pewter]

Lmao

Damn autocorrect

[sharp mesa]

the one they run out of the raid with to minimize damage

[jagged gust]

time linked for relevance

[toxic pewter]

Lol

[sharp gale]

Oh that’s tank mech, they just need to press def cd

[sharp mesa]

He had Meta up and was full health, one shot him

i think taunt swap just needs work

[sharp gale]

(And don’t run into void death beam)

[sharp mesa]

tbh

[toxic pewter]

He prob died to void

Yes

Void beam magnet

[sharp mesa]

was still in P1

[toxic pewter]

Strange

In meta should be fine

[sharp gale]

Idk what meta does

Tbh

[sharp mesa]

Yea i think what they were doing is tanking until debuff gets cast, then swapping

[sharp gale]

It give DR ?

[toxic pewter]

Big hp boost

[sharp gale]

How big

[sharp mesa]

i think they are now having other tank have aggro, taunt during the cast, so tank with no stacks gets bomb, and then swapping after explosion

[sharp mesa]

i think 40%?

he had 20mil hp when he died

[toxic pewter]

40% hp 200% armor

[sharp gale]

(Idk what dh has as def cds) I would guess he has a give X% DR button

[toxic pewter]

What kind of damage is party packs is it fire

I think the party packs can do like 18 mil or something g

[sharp mesa]

its probably magic

[toxic pewter]

So def possible can kill meta vdh

[sharp mesa]

VDH might just have a rough time with that mechanic

[toxic pewter]

He need to fiery brand boss then run away

[sharp mesa]

like how we suck vs bleeds

[sharp gale]

I doubt that

You are telling me DH has nothing against magic damage

X

[sharp mesa]

they def do

i play prot warrior

[toxic pewter]

They have innate passive magic dam dr lol

Does 11 mil fire dam

[pallid quiver]

but he's gotta use that rotationally for the damages

[toxic pewter]

Boss doesn’t really do much damage himself lol

It’s just all the random shit going on

[sharp gale]

They also have that proccing meta with a talent (idk if they use it)

[waxen frigate]

It trucks VDH but you can fiery brand every single one

If he does that he’ll be fine

Also should be on the boss until 1sec before explosion to build up frailty stacks and top up HP before the leap out

[waxen frigate]

VDH is heavily reliant on leech and debuffs for their tankiness

Being forced away from the boss hard fucks what makes VDH tanky

[sharp mesa]

Thats kinda what i thought

its same way for warriors, if we arent hitting something to build rage, we are kinda fucked

[waxen frigate]

Nah warriors are way better with that

Since you can pool rage and IP

But as VDH you literally just watch your frailty stacks expire on boss

And then realize you’re cooked

VDH’s only defensive cooldowns that aren’t debuff-based are spikes and meta

And if you still have low ilvl (very likely if you’re progging sprocket this week) you can get 100-0 through meta without brand up

From the party pack

[sharp mesa]

got it

Appreciate it, im not a DH main, so ill talk to him and see if hes doing that

[waxen frigate]

But again as long as you just hold meta and apply it in time to cover the cast he’s fine

If you have logs send them

I only started playing DH in raid this tier but I’ve been playing it as an alt on and off for a while

There’s also cringe stuff on some bosses with environmental damage which cooks VDH because… you can’t debuff the environment

Oh also the tank debuff can be dodged/parried

So it’s crucial to have good demon spikes uptime

[nimble root]

is there a downside to using a fist weapon instead of a sword?

[waxen frigate]

No

As long as it is a 1-handed strength weapon it’s fine

[nimble root]

neat, We don't have many people in my raid that use the capo from mugzee so if it drops I wanted to make sure it wouldn't be wasted on me

[waxen frigate]

It’s not great afaik for anyone

Pretty undertuned for a cantrip weapon

[round cliff]

the cheesed gallywix kills were done by macroing in fucking plunderstorm spells

incredible

how does this even happen

[pallid quiver]

All versions of the game use the same base dataset

Saves a lot of space in pretty much every way possible

[livid granite]

@pallid quiver @round cliff @waxen frigate i saw critcake video he invented a spec for protection where he was number 1 overall damage on meter , is this build so squishy i might have a problem with it if i have low ilvl shield or something

[round cliff]

wat

why are u pinging me for this idk what ur even talking abt

[livid granite]

@round cliff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp4A2B-yGA8

[ionic fern]

That is the default Colossus m+ build.

🤷

[livid granite]

i don't think so , wowhead doesn't show his build when you opt for m+

[round cliff]

we don

the only difference is ravager?

instead of battering ram

[jagged pier]

Yes because nomes has it for 4pc

So it has br instead of rav

Which tbh might change as u migh tdrop indom for br with 4pc

[ionic fern]

I do think so.

[livid granite]

he said it makes you squishy , is it really weaker mitigation than the regular one

[ionic fern]

What is a regular build?m

That is a regular build

What is going on.

[round cliff]

i drop ravager for battering ram rn!!

ravager is smelly

[ionic fern]

I enjoy my ravager.

[round cliff]

i might take ravager until i start pushing higher keys tho

wait, no hurricane

i do not care

u prob gain more dps overall by letting ur healer ignore u with indom than u do by speccing non-hurricane ravager

tbh

[livid granite]

i don't know but if you see the build he invented all of them in comments says thank you for showing blizzard this build they will nerf us now

[round cliff]

idgaf

we're telling you one thing

ur saying we're wrong

end of story

take it or leave it

im too old for u kids

[ionic fern]

He even says at 1.33 "build is pretty much the same as the wowhead one".

[jagged pier]

[livid granite]

have you tried critcake build or you are just mountain thaine

[round cliff]

nobody playing thane rn

thane does no big dam

[ionic fern]

Do you even read what people write back to you or do you just ignore it?

[jagged pier]

Bro thats the normal build

Its not critcakes build

Its all ive run all season

Before he posted this vid

[livid granite]

yeah i will try it then but they say it's squishy let's see

[jagged pier]

I mean in st its barely behind and not that far off in aoe anyway

Its is if your bad because you have less rage

But you have more SWs so it actually kinda levels out

Its less forgiving than thane

[ionic fern]

I still enjoy Thane from time to time in keys.

[round cliff]

colossus forced me to learn that violent outburst gives u ignore pain

how long has it done this?

idk.

[ionic fern]

But most keys I've done as Colossus.

[round cliff]

but i learned it about 4 days ago

[ionic fern]

For a very long time.

[round cliff]

:3

literally never noticed because im used to mashing ignore pain

[jagged pier]

Long time its what helps u keep ip up as colossus

[round cliff]

and i switched to colossus and im like "why am i rage starving so hard? im supposed to keep ignore pain up"
it was because i was consuming every violent outburst proc w/ my ignore pain macro thinking i needed to

when in fact

i was being

stupid

[jagged pier]

[round cliff]

now i have no dead globals and 100% ip uptime..

i am tank supreme

[cursive agate]

Is it impossible to have 100% uptime on shield block or am I just bad/calculating wrong pls?

[main walrus]

is this too much haste ? unbuffed 4 stacks of into the fray

[round cliff]

depends on ur haste and talents

if ur haste is too low, and u take itf, ur gonna drop

so youd swap to the other one idk what its called

heavy repercussions

[cursive agate]

Haste lowers block cd? Didnt know that 😮

So heavy repercussions better if my haste is low?

[round cliff]

yup

[ionic fern]

Effective block up time is possible to have 100 percent.

[cursive agate]

Was thinking about taking talent that gives block for last stand duration but this looks better

Yeah ig with the downtime in dungeons it should be

One more question, what is maximum duration on block pls? Does it have epidemic window or something?

[round cliff]

im fairly certain it'll stack up to double its original duration

i might be making shit up

its def not pandemic and it def stacks

[ionic fern]

3*duration is the max. So 18s. This can be broken with Bolster.

[round cliff]

real shit? crazy

shame we dont use bolster tho

[cursive agate]

So there is no chance I overpress block/shield charge and that results into wasting block okay

[ionic fern]

You can still waste block if you press it at the end of a pack dying.

Unless you're chain pulling .

But yes,no chance to waste otherwise.

[round cliff]

colossus makes me feel forced to chain pull tbh tbh

im throttling my rage intake by using shield block to not overcap sometimes instead of IP cuz i dont want to overcap an already full IP

so ive gotta keep pulling to keep up this habit

hasnt bitten me yet

[ionic fern]

You shouldn't worry about overcapping IP. Rather do that for the AM/Indom/Outburst value.

[round cliff]

well yea sometimes u cant avoid it

but if i CAN avoid it

id rather sip a shield block to go from in danger of overcapping to safely spamming revenge

[pallid quiver]

To be specific, since it was a tier set in SL, even

[round cliff]

then i have all this rage in the tank to press revenge, or to re-up IP after a buster

or a brain buster when i stand in shit

[pallid quiver]

wtb avatar also giving you outburst instantly again

[pallid quiver]

Note that with enduring defenses, this is 24s

[ionic fern]

Solid note.

[pallid quiver]

Since it gives all sources of SB an extra 2s, hence why Mwahi said 3*dura

[cursive agate]

Makes sense, thank you guys

[round cliff]

my holy pally buddy says i need a bop cancel macro

im thinking hes right

whats the macro tho

/cancelaura blessing of protection

?

[shy python]

Underpin?? - Who killed him already?

[pallid quiver]

Every tank should have a bop cancel macro, just because of random utility from taking a bop, and yeah, it's just cancelaura

you can even macro it into the start of a frequently pressed button if you want it to be auto-handled

[round cliff]

seems sketchy to do that

[pallid quiver]

well

[round cliff]

tho

[pallid quiver]

you don't have threat if you have bop on you

[round cliff]

i could bind it into like

challenging shout?

cuz ill have to re-taunt after yea

or do i keep the aggro

[pallid quiver]

You keep the aggro, they'll go back to you

[round cliff]

ic

[pallid quiver]

So you actually never want it on a taunt

[round cliff]

then ill put it on revenge and SB and see where that gets me

[pallid quiver]

because you could take advantage of a free 3s of no damage

I'd put it on SS

And Revenge

And TC

[round cliff]

i meant to say ss

word

[pallid quiver]

Or just a seperate button

[round cliff]

if i put it on a button im forgetting where that shit is

[pallid quiver]

or have two binds for SS, Revenge, and TC, with one without and one with

So you could default to those with, and only use the ones without if you're planning shenanigans

[round cliff]

im not some elite mdi gamer doing bop strats

i just want it to cleanse debuffs

that r gaping my hole

[pallid quiver]

Really, the only ones I've had problems with is when my DPS in cinderbrew do no fucking damage in pull 1

leading to a fun time of a lotta stacks if I don't game it good

[round cliff]

the miniboss right before motherlode 2nd boss frequently shreds me a new one

because i forget its a miniboss

and i sit there eating stacks

[idle copper]

How do you manage it? Just kite?

[pallid quiver]

imagine ever going to gobbo dungeons

[round cliff]

when it charges someone

just dont charge after it

by the time he waddles his fat goblin ass back to u the stacks r gone

[pallid quiver]

and as an aside, imagine ever getting more than 1 priory key

[idle copper]

Cheers

[round cliff]

tell ur ranged not to stack near u

it helps

cuz then he'll make his own distance

[ionic fern]

I think @jagged pier did.

[idle copper]

How long does it take to drop off?

[pallid quiver]

Nome said he did as well

[round cliff]

idk im not some nerd

i tank ENTIRELY off of vibes

you're lucky if i look at a route

[pallid quiver]

Er, for the Underpin comment

From what I've heard, it's mostly just managing bombs and saving CDs for the shield

It'll take a while, but he'll go down eventually

[jagged pier]

ye

its a yoke

my vids up

just live

[pallid quiver]

It definitely seems a lot easier than Zekvir

[jagged pier]

well infact just dodge

[pallid quiver]

and zek was already pretty easy

How long did your kill take you, Jakey?

[jagged pier]

it wasnt this easy this early

but its a different type of fight

[pallid quiver]

I probably won't try it until I have more gear for damage because I can't pay attention for like 10+ minutes

[jagged pier]

i mean this will be a massive joke with gear

[pallid quiver]

something something zoomer brain

[jagged pier]

i think it was 6 mins

and im not even hitting the boss most of the time

[pallid quiver]

Eh, 6 mins sounds doable. I might swing at it tomorrow if I have time

[jagged pier]

[ionic fern]

https://youtu.be/-0_iOjjdTdA?si=NG57q1wO8QhVKSRq

[jagged pier]

u have demo for every shield and it just breaks it

u dont get mount tho yet its still bugged

[ionic fern]

[pallid quiver]

oh, no mount reward?

deffo not trying then

I fight that man already every week in normal delves

I don't got nothin' to prove

[round cliff]

where does the item to summon him even come from

i think i got it from a tiny curio

[pallid quiver]

Undercoin vender in time

[jagged pier]

No there is one and a title

[pallid quiver]

Or he randomly invades

[jagged pier]

The mount reward is bugged so they will fix and ull get it

[round cliff]

i got an item to summon him

[pallid quiver]

I mean if it's bugged, I'll wait until unbugged

[round cliff]

p sure it was from a curio

[pallid quiver]

oh, the mount is bugged

[livid granite]

btw jackey why all of our trinket recommendations are Damage based , why don't we wear any mitigation trinkets anymore ?

[round cliff]

whats the title?

[pallid quiver]

He does drop a specific curio that summons a suit you get in or something

[round cliff]

we dont take damage

xd

why take less than 0 damage when we already take 0 damage

[pallid quiver]

We haven't worn hard defensive trinkets outside of good ones

And, uh, there aren't really many good ones

[livid granite]

how come , what about massive big pulls like 3 or 4 packs at high key

[pallid quiver]

Honestly, defensive trinkets are a problem

[round cliff]

still dont take damage

also nobody pulling 4 packs in high keys

[pallid quiver]

You don't really take damage if you're avoiding avoidable damage and are settled in a pull

[livid granite]

wrong , they do in mgl or tournaments

[round cliff]

are u an mdi player?

am i an mdi player

no

[pallid quiver]

When pushing world first keys, you'll take "damage", but it's still not very much when properly CD'ing through with the planning that goes into large pulls like that

[raw parcel]

Second portal acquired!

[livid granite]

ah i see then I'm wondering what is the use of these mitigation trinkets effects on use or equip

[pallid quiver]

What normally kills tanks in pulls like that are the very start, missing a kick, taking avoidable damage, getting hit in the back, and things not related to needing a defensive trinket.

You'll still rock them if there's any worthwhile enough, since a tank death is an instant wipe,

[shy python]

Nice 😱

[pallid quiver]

but they're not needed and, again, there's not many defensive trinkets that are particularly good

[round cliff]

maybe instant wipe for ur guild

[ionic fern]

Gratz.

[raw parcel]

Thanks, friendo.

[pallid quiver]

Like I started mentioning above, defensive trinkets honestly are kind of a problem, because if they are very notable, they'll sort of become hard required, making content either have to plan around them being had, on an RNG basis, or have content be more trivial than intended

[round cliff]

i took a crawler mine to the face today cuz i was too busy eating paste to dodge it and they managed to res me before anyone else died

was wild

[pallid quiver]

that means they saw you eating paste and were ready for it

[raw parcel]

Is a good defensive trinket really required? For example, DF3 had that solid cheat death trinket, but I don't think most people used it? But it wasn't a bad option by any means.

[round cliff]

honestly my guilds entire group dynamic is prepping for someone else eating paste, unknowingly eating paste in the process ourselves

it all evens out

[pallid quiver]

That sounds right

[livid granite]

Thanks ya Luerce , I'm thinking to craft 675 shield for when to play protection so i can get invited easily into +10s but I'm rolling as arms now with 658 weapon what do you think ? isn't the 2handed from myth chest can be 678 which is better than the crafted one .

[jagged pier]

because tank trinkets are bad

[round cliff]

im gonna start calling u jackey

[ionic fern]

Not required,but you can use it if you want to and the content warrants it.

[pallid quiver]

In any content outside of world first keys and potentially RWF raid, there's no def trinket that's required

That's done by design, along with making sure all specs are able to clear the content

Only things that have rewards outside of the game's base rewards will really ever require it, since otherwise you run into design points that feel like shit as a player

It'd feel real bad if the reason you couldn't clear H raid last boss is because you haven't been lucky enough to get a trinket that reduces all murder-death damage by 99% and the boss just AOEs you with perma-death if you don't live a spell that deals murder-death damage, for example

[jagged pier]

welcome to half my raid leaders

[livid granite]

Can you share your armory , i want to check your optimal gear .

[round cliff]

optimal gear is on wowhead

[jagged pier]

what optimal gear

its week 2

u just equip was u get and what sims tell u

[crisp crown]

Whats the biggest reason prot warrior isnt as good as last season? Or is it equally good?

[round cliff]

its better

xd

who told u this

[crisp crown]

is it?

[jagged pier]

because streamers said so

[livid granite]

Thanks ya Fruity , btw is getting 675 shield crafted is better investment in a way that i will be getting invited into 10s left and right or what do you think from your experience in getting invites this patch or people still meta slaves cause i see we have 11% representation in the segement of key 10 and 11 wheras a demonhunter has 34% , I'm already 648 ilvl .

[round cliff]

i dont craft anything because im lazy

[jagged pier]

but there is something to be sid about the fact theres more unblockable mechanics

and more bleeds and magic debufss

[pallid quiver]

Getting invited to 10s left and right is based on you having already done 11s or 12s on everything

and to do so before the meta settles on whatever it's doing

[round cliff]

or to do guild groups only

like me

[livid granite]

damn always you must be ahead and overpowered the game so you get invited into lesser stuff

[round cliff]

pugging is pain and i refuse to engagei n it

[pallid quiver]

That's the way it goes, as long as there's people who've done that before you either from time/money/etc

[livid granite]

not everyone has connections or friends as you do ya fruity

[pallid quiver]

People really can't be assed to fully vet people, either

They'll see two people side to side, and one person has higher io, higher ilvl, grab

[round cliff]

i literally just stumbled into my guild by applying to the first thing i saw accepting a warrior

then stuck around long enough for the main tank to go MIA

[pallid quiver]

They don't care that they spent literal hundreds of real monies to buy tokens to buy carries for all that

[round cliff]

and schmoozed my way in as the replacement

[pallid quiver]

they must be better

[livid granite]

i can notice that these days , alarge sum of people are buying and are cool getting boosted .

[round cliff]

good for me

im the one boosting em

for legal purposes this is a joke

[dusk bramble]

anyone know how i can get rid of the defensive stance icon with ElvUI?

[pallid quiver]

Considering that's not a part of base elvui setup,

technically nuking all your settings and reinstalling would fix it

[neon elk]

Isnt that big debuffs addon? Ive had similar issue with it showing like that on nameplates

[dusk bramble]

ty!

anyone know how to change the font of the damage numbers?

[livid granite]

@ionic fern i saw your pinned guide , you are saying '' Colossus is harder to play '' why hard ? i always have been thane if i switched to colo will i be good ?

[ionic fern]

It's different since you have less rage to go around so you need to make decisions more actively. MT damage is tied to TC and SS,while Colossus is tied to revenge.

[chilly brook]

Brother I still get passed over for 12s

[jagged pier]

u arent a paladin

or vdh

[chilly brook]

clearly lmao

[iron vale]

I though roar had more dmg then spear

[chilly brook]

but it's okay I still do double what the average paladin or vdh does in damage

[iron vale]

WELL SPEAR TIME

[chilly brook]

since everyone is so intent on playing Aldrachi Reaver on their DH

[jagged pier]

yes

but u dont intuprt

so dps have too and they dont know how

well u dont have the inturpts they do

[chilly brook]

hey hey, every 1.5m I can do my cool guy aoe interrupt

[livid granite]

+12 is pretty hard , just be satisfied with +10s

[sand condor]

This statement makes me want to run the mass taunt silence talent

But…

We’ll never have the utility of a pal/vdh

Is our damage / survivability at least above both of them by a significant margin?

[ionic fern]

🤷

[sand condor]

Dont shrug

Please no

Tell me blizard loves us

Lie to me if you must

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[gentle ore]

https://tenor.com/view/james-franco-the-interview-hate-us-gif-12303612

[sand condor]

[chilly brook]

https://tenor.com/view/why-persian-room-cat-guardian-but-why-trendizisst-anyaboz-gif-2156104475561014590

[chilly brook]

well worth sacrificing Show of Force for

I can live with 10% revenge damage

[sand condor]

I was checking the build of top warriors and they dont seem to run it

[chilly brook]

mass aoe silence enables pulls and saves from wipes

Sense runs it

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[pallid quiver]

Consider the following though

ow my damage

[chilly brook]

still doin 2.5m overalls without it and don't even have proper dps trinkets

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[pallid quiver]

yeah but you could be doing more

[chilly brook]

idk at the end of the day it's up to you

you can choose to stay with Show of Force or you can run Disrupting Shout

[pallid quiver]

It has more value in some dungeons than others, but it'll also be comp dependent

[chilly brook]

I've found Disrupting Shout to have far more value in actually timing keys the higher you go

[haughty scroll]

simply take a chicken into key, they can be your disrupting shout

[chilly brook]

especially if you pug at all

[jagged pier]

placbo a little bit cause the higher u go the better the players are

[chilly brook]

I play with a consistent group

[jagged pier]

also increase success rate espically at the start of a season

[pallid quiver]

For pugging, personally, I don't think it helps as much, since rarely would giving myself an AOE interrupt enable me to pull bigger, as I generally only pull what I can personally ensure and cover when pugging

It might randomly enable a pug group to work, but

i can't plan around that, and I can't really think of any pulls it would suddenly enable me alone to cover

[jagged pier]

but u complained u werent getting invited

[pallid quiver]

I can think of a few it might let me if I coordinated with other people, but

[jagged pier]

[chilly brook]

they're not on rn

I do most of my keys with them but if they're not on I'm still tryin to get somethin done

[haughty scroll]

i mean vdh and prot pally gets invited over me more often than not but i still get invited quite a bit to pugs

[jagged pier]

just delve for good trinkets

[chilly brook]

I WANT MY PACEMAKER THO

REEEEEEE

[jagged pier]

u have 2 trinket slots

[chilly brook]

crit amp go silly

[haughty scroll]

but the tome

[jagged pier]

tome isnt that great in m+

the higher u go

cause mobs last longer so the melees stack up faster

[chilly brook]

I mean what actual delve trinkets are good?

[jagged pier]

yer they are not half bad

[haughty scroll]

i usually run sus energy drink and scrapfield

[chilly brook]

is good but not great unfortunately, what Jakey said is true and most of its benefit is in single target

[jagged pier]

its like tome> raid trinkets > pacemakers > delve trinkets > anything else

[chilly brook]

I got an LFR Reverb Radio

but I'd assume it's probably outclassed by anything heroic level that's half decent

[jagged pier]

but raid trinkets i mean like house of cards and eye

pacemaker is better than the others

hotline, lock and stalk, bombsuit, radio ARENT bad tho

but lfr version is lfr

[mortal cypress]

D-D-DJ DOGSHIT!!111

[haughty scroll]

nothing is as bad as the pit whistle

ditty stat stick

[jagged pier]

platinum plating is by far the worst trinket

[chilly brook]

oh for sure lol

thing is dogwater

idk how you bring the dungeon back several times and leave that thing designed the way it is

[jagged pier]

they mega buffed it

no one fucking cares about armour tho

[solid sun]

I got tome and that viscera trinket. Didn’t realize tome wasn’t an m+ blaster

[chilly brook]

Damn, I should try to fish for that Mechano-Core Amplifier

[jagged pier]

it is and isnt

like i does do a fair portion of damage in keys

[chilly brook]

great on bosses

not so great in packs

[jagged pier]

its fun to pop pages and then demolish crits for 15 mil

but it is a much more ST trinket imo

viscera fun fact they havent applied the tank 50% too it apprently

so it hits for alot

[chilly brook]

so uhh

like

[solid sun]

Heck yeah

[chilly brook]

Mechano-Core Amplifier sims at double Eye or Pacemaker

👀

[solid sun]

What kinda sim

[chilly brook]

just single target

I'm not going to do any specialized sims rn

[jagged pier]

depends how u simming and how they are implmented

like tome u have to add ti the apl yourself

[chilly brook]

But I do remember them talking about buffing the shit out of it

[chilly brook]

Ye cuz it hits tome on CD right?

Instead of gaming the crit

[jagged pier]

ye

[solid sun]

I’ve found 7s-8s to be significantly harder this week than last

[chilly brook]

That’s odd

[solid sun]

Fortifried hurts

[jagged pier]

yer cause the ppl doing 3-4s last week

now have the score to do 7s

u need to be doing 10s + to find the good players

[chilly brook]

Blasting through them but then again I was also doing 10s and attempting 11s last week

[solid sun]

I hit 2k week 1 but I’m not really a 10s on the first week type gamer

[jagged pier]

In a few weeks you will want to be doing 11s-13s for the good players 10s will be hard cause of players if your pugging

[chilly brook]

Keys are very fun this season

[ionic fern]

Get weekly 10s done with guildies and hang it up.

[chilly brook]

Really like this dungeon pool

[jagged pier]

[chilly brook]

Although I’m kinda over Cinderbrew already

[jagged gust]

Floodgate is the only one I don't like so far, and that's only because I haven't learned the map yet

[chilly brook]

Love floodgate

[ionic fern]

I dislike Cinderbrew and Priory.

[chilly brook]

Big pulls everywhere

[haughty scroll]

floodgate is probably the best dungeon theyve made in a long time

[jagged gust]

cinderbrew with a low dps group and spending 10 minutes on the elemental boss tho...

[haughty scroll]

aside from the fortnite mobs

[chilly brook]

Agreed

[solid sun]

2nd boss of priory really put my friends and I through some paces

[jagged gust]

Yeah I just get easily confused in open concept maps, usually takes me a good 5-10 runs to really lock in

[chilly brook]

Banger dungeon, although I do question some of the tuning on it

I like the openness of priory in terms of first portion of the dungeon

[haughty scroll]

that castigator shield fucking slaps

[chilly brook]

Some of the mob choices though make me really scratch my head

[jagged pier]

SR it

[solid sun]

Priory’s sharpshooters are also very annoying

[haughty scroll]

not for me

my party drops

im fine

[jagged pier]

no group stacks they jump on group

[chilly brook]

You just ignore them until they jump in

And then you avoid them as much as possible after the first pull

[jagged gust]

thats good to know

[solid sun]

Nice

[chilly brook]

3 sharpshooters will wipe your group in higher keys

You’ll be fine they won’t lmao

[jagged pier]

Los

[solid sun]

Do y’all kill the fire mage on the right or the priest on the left

[haughty scroll]

fire mage on the right is a death sentence

[jagged pier]

if your healers good u go left

is they arent u go right

[jagged pier]

its not the dps just need to use a defensive

[haughty scroll]

did they nerf him, that flame wave aoe was slapping for like 90% on the ptr

[jagged gust]

like twice I think

[jagged pier]

ive not had a dps die to the cross over

[haughty scroll]

as long as i have a disc priest i think im fine going left

or a cracked mistweaver

[pallid quiver]

cinderbrew with a group that has DPS pulling a whopping 1M DPS on the first pull of the dungeon

[chilly brook]

I personally like going right, but everyone in my group bitches about it so I’m a left Andy now 😦

[jagged gust]

you really gotta kite that mfer like you're running a marathon

[solid sun]

Are we first pull lust gamers in meadery

[chilly brook]

Right honestly makes first boss way easier

[pallid quiver]

Left has more unavoidable damage on boss, so I wager that it'll eventually not be an option.

Whether that'll happen before something else gates the key, don't know

[chilly brook]

Where else are you going to lust?

[solid sun]

That was my thinking

[pallid quiver]

since the mini-ult ability on the lieu that stays alive if you go left is just pulsing damage instead of dodgeable AOE

[haughty scroll]

i feel like the trash on the right is way worse tho

[chilly brook]

It’s a waste on the boss since he goes immune every 33%

[chilly brook]

Is it??

[pallid quiver]

just deal 67% damage in one hit at the right time

it's so easy

[chilly brook]

https://keystone.guru/route/priory-of-the-sacred-flame/cSHHisN/quazii-priory-advanced-20250302/1

[haughty scroll]

i guess its just a lot of sharpshooter pats that i know my clown ass dps are going to chain pull

[chilly brook]

I was doing this

And it was pretty tame outside of the fire mini boss

It’s less sharpshooters than going left

Assuming you don’t soothe/invis past the pack at the top

[haughty scroll]

you can kind of just hop onto the stairs as it merges with the pack of 3 and run past

[chilly brook]

The trash in general in that dungeon still feels a bit wild in comparison to other dungeons

The sharpshooters are nuts and the paladins toll ability is an absolute freight train

[jagged gust]

Are you supposed to chain 5 into the first half of 6?

[next pasture]

since i see we’re talking about priory, why can i spell reflect cinderblast but it does no damage??

[jagged pier]

nope

just deflects

[chilly brook]

I found there wasn’t enough room to do the mini boss (5) without pulling that pack in front of it that’s a part of (6)

[haughty scroll]

dont you still get stunned?

[next pasture]

has that ever happened with other spells?

[jagged pier]

yes

[chilly brook]

Not if you deflect

[jagged pier]

all the time

[next pasture]

no, makes the sound and everything

[jagged pier]

u do not

[haughty scroll]

guess my reflect got eaten by a smite or some shit

[next pasture]

i’m kinda new, i started playing in shadowlands, but i feel like warrior used to reflect much more stuff, especially from bosses

[haughty scroll]

good thing we got that human racial

[chilly brook]

This season doesn’t have a lot

[haughty scroll]

you can reflect almost everything in motherlode

[next pasture]

it’s like they’re slowly deleting SR, considering last boss of TOP

[haughty scroll]

and a fair amount in workshop

[next pasture]

what boss has something reflectable?

[haughty scroll]

last boss

its autos

[next pasture]

missile? if you’re dps?

ah

[haughty scroll]

charged shield

even as dps

[next pasture]

mmm, yeah, i mostly mean bosses

i miss like, nokhud last boss being chunked by SR

the lich’s ability in theater can also be SR’d for good effect, meanwhile the bone spear from the skeletons can’t

it seems wildly inconsistent now

[gentle ore]

Any tips on priory 1st boss?
The bleed just slaps

[haughty scroll]

did you kill right or left miniboss

killing right will make it a bit easier for you

[jagged pier]

are u saving things for it? is your healer dispelling?

[gentle ore]

Left, haven’t tried right yet, just following route from day1.

I think he dispels, but the bleed itself is what trucking me.
Usually have a wall or LS up for it, or I try to pool rage for IP but I feel the IP disappears too fast for value

[ionic fern]

Spam.IP

Easy.

[jagged pier]

i mean avatar should give u sw

then y have 2 charges

[ionic fern]

You sacrifice some damage but it keeps the damage intake stupid low

[jagged pier]

then u have avatar back

[ionic fern]

And pair it with SW etc.

[jagged pier]

the u have LS and IV

then repeat

but if your not getting dispelled its rough

[gentle ore]

I’ll check next time if he’s dispelling. Got a 10 key so probably gonna run it tonight

[waxen frigate]

Right also potentially just kills a random group member with a bad overlap

Should always go left

[torn gulch]

It s better to have tank deal with first boss than to have the entire party deal with it

[hollow flower]

What is the lowest you Guys let your haste drop while upgrading for Item Level?

[torn gulch]

You just rotate defensives and tell your healer to give you externals

[jagged pier]

doesnt matter if items have more strength they are better

u just swap to HR if u have low haste

[hollow flower]

I am hesitent to drop my Neck from Last raid cause it is over a third of my remaining haste

[jagged pier]

whats the ilvl bump on the piece

[hollow flower]

13

[ionic nimbus]

In General, when you have Problems to survive things. Farm one of the absorbtrinkets to get another def cd. When you play clean, you should not need them. Pwar is fkn tanky. But to learn it’s Not that bad , swap for Dmg when you are good.

[jagged pier]

more stats> than less better stats

[hollow flower]

Yeah Sometimes i hate when my hunch is right

[jagged gust]

dont worry, you'll find some random ring with 5k haste, and then 4p with an ass ton of haste

and all will be well

[ionic nimbus]

You won’t have problems to get enough haste this season

Solid item stats from m+

[crisp crown]

guys

weird question

[jagged pier]

weird answer

[crisp crown]

i played prot last season, and now there's some new abilities and im running out of keybinds. I got everything bound EXCEPT demolish, whirlwind and slam. Any tips on what i can swap? xD

[jagged pier]

mans missing control binds

[crisp crown]

ye true

[jagged pier]

and 2 stance buttons

instead of just a macro

[left meteor]

You don't need neither slam nor Whirlwind bound fwiw

And you don't need a manual Rend bind either

[crisp crown]

woops i got 1 min timeout

aight the stance macro is a good one indeed

[left meteor]

Can just replace Rend with Demolish and you're fine

[crisp crown]

tbh button 7 is so far to press for me

how often does prot press demolish?

[jagged pier]

on cd

[left meteor]

On CD

Like, 30 seconds ish?

[crisp crown]

so slam nor whirlwind needs to be bound ye

[left meteor]

More in AoE, less in ST

Yea you'll never press either

[crisp crown]

so i can just make a stance macro and use either one of the 2 stance buttons for demolish ig

[left meteor]

Yea

[crisp crown]

i'm too dumb to use control keybinds idk why

its weird to go so far down with my small finger

[left meteor]

Worst case you could unbind Fear cause you generally neither have points nor a good use case for it

[jagged pier]

huh

[left meteor]

And open Shift 3

[jagged pier]

fear is great

[left meteor]

Some situations

[jagged pier]

no its an aoe stop

only dungeon where its bad is ToP

cause undead

[left meteor]

That sometimes doesn't stop what you're trying to stop

And Mechagon first area

[crisp crown]

we did it reddit

everything bound but slam or whirlwind

ty guys!

i was surprised to see in S2 tanks also use crit / haste as prio stat. Im just gonna play prot to farm gear since im in Q simulator when playing arms

but its so good thats its kinda the same items ur looking after

[jagged pier]

we always played haste crit and have for expansions

[crisp crown]

last season it was haste vers?

[jagged pier]

no

top ppl always run vers because they think getting 7% DR will change something

when they would take less damage going crit instead

[crisp crown]

damn okay

then i played it wrong in S1 kek

[lucid gulch]

team, corridorcreaper dot in dft .. what to do? are u kiting? this dot is destroying me

[jagged pier]

dont keep them on the smallies when they die

and kite if u get oo high

or pray for parries

[left meteor]

Spell Reflect if it's one Creeper

[lucid gulch]

nice ty

[onyx pike]

Macro stances into one, Macro Charge and Intervene on one, throw out rend and hamstring.

[jolly crystal]

I'm kinda confused by Tome of Light's Devotion, the description's really vague on what it actually does 😄

Should I be waiting until near 50 stacks to use it's effect or switch when I need def/dmg?

Also...Signet or improvised Seaforium Pacemaker for my 2nd trinket?

I have all 3 on hero track

[covert helm]

you want to stay in the damage effect as much as humanly possible

[jolly crystal]

So use it as soon as I see it tick over to armour?

[covert helm]

yep

[jolly crystal]

Okidoki, I'll set up a WA to track which effect it's on then 🙂

Thank you

[jagged pier]

[ionic nimbus]

Blizzard has the ultimate chance to rework the tome trinket. Maximum confusion

[jolly crystal]

I love the idea of the trinket, I just with the ingame tooltip was clear on what it did

[jolly crystal]

Let's pretend I'm not completely dumb 😄

[prime sphinx]

U sit in sword mode and when it switches to shield mode u use the trinket to switch back to sword

[toxic pewter]

i need one of dem trinkets

[neon elk]

In those big juicy pulls where i have lots of rage do si still press SS on CD or do i spam revenge like mad ?

[onyx pike]

what are you guys crafting? bracer/waist/cloak?

[vocal flame]

Guys I got a crafted Mythic shield and I love it!!!!

Feel like a mythic raider lol

[onyx pike]

Not sure what to craft, HC gali shield seems better than the crafted one?

[vocal flame]

Only by a few item levels and im not a mythic raider so got a crafted one (individual experience may vary)

[plush tendon]

I crafted shield

[neon elk]

Max ilvl crafted will be better than hc gali maxed

[plush tendon]

which I pretty much intend to wear until dinars

and then pick up the rare shield

[onyx pike]

🤔

[strong forum]

i crafted ring

[onyx pike]

so just weap+shield?

[strong forum]

cuz i cba having low ilvl ring

and i multispec arms and prot

[plush tendon]

ring always a good craft

[onyx pike]

got unlucky lucky with my 1st vault. only crap but this ring haha

[plush tendon]

[solid sun]

When you lust at the start of Meadery, do you pull all the left side tables? Is that too much?

[crisp crown]

im in the same boat, with the multispec thing. Is ring the best craft or just personally a good upgrade for u? I was thinking wrist

[onyx pike]

3 packs nvm wrong dungeon haha, 5 packs, lust.

[strong forum]

i cba crafting low budget slot

embellishs are so fake this season

better get a good item

[crisp crown]

i see

[plush tendon]

besides, youll be flooded with crafts faster then you think

I think first 1-2 crafts should be on slots with big gains

and then the next 3-4 go for the 'bis' once you actually have some gear+crest upgrades

its a weird raid where we aint just clearing 4/8 mythic week 1

in pugs

so Myth gear is a bit harder to come by

[crisp crown]

big gains as in, personal upgrades

[plush tendon]

yea

things like rings/necks are awesome cause its ideal stats

weps/shields are big gains

tier slots are locked for tier

which basically just leaves things like bracers, cloack, belt and shit

[vocal flame]

Been farming for a belt and im stuck at 619 so that will most likely be my next craft

[plush tendon]

^ thats a good craft; big personal upgrade

[solid sun]

Were you thinking priory?

[plush tendon]

though Im still on wep+shield as my go to right now

unless I luck out in vault

[vocal flame]

Same pretty much although I gotta farm crests for upgrade anyway lol

[plush tendon]

I havnt sent a single gilded on my DK yet

and only 60 on my war for a nice shield

[vocal flame]

I used 60 for the shield and I am getting most of them from Delves since I dont feel confident to do 7s yet

[plush tendon]

2h users got screwed over this tier

[vocal flame]

18 per week I think from delves

[plush tendon]

we should have two sparks this reset

[plush tendon]

6s drop gilded now right?

[solid sun]

I have been getting pressed pretty hard trying to get to 10s so I sent gilded on my shield craft and upgrading my hero track chest

[crisp crown]

no

just hero gear iirc

[plush tendon]

ah

[crisp crown]

and thanks! i got 636 wep and shield from last season but i also multispec so probably neck or rings then xd ty

[vocal flame]

Mm not sure, I know 11 bountiful does 100%

[plush tendon]

man, get yo ass in some 7s!

you got it

[vocal flame]

and they are so ez on prot, i pull half the delve lol

[plush tendon]

[solid sun]

8 cinderbrew first pull with lust - that mess was rough as hell

[onyx pike]

yes

[solid sun]

Okay. I’ve been wondering if dragging the footmen to two knight packs and lusting was a good play

I’ll try that next time I’m in priory

[vocal flame]

you pull the fat mini boss ogre guy? he puts on heavy bleeds, i do it solo sometimes

[solid sun]

No. I fight that chef dude solo

Dude cranks

[vocal flame]

yeah lol

[solid sun]

We timed it but I was sweating the whole time

[vocal flame]

Just re roll dwarf and you will be good 🙂

who needs ignore pain when a racial can just remove everything lol

[vocal flame]

What ilevel do you think I need to do a 7s in pugs?

[toxic pewter]

they dont call it the maintenance within for nothin

[plush tendon]

I did 10s at 630

so whatever you feel confident in

not really a one-size fits all

[jolly crystal]

Finishe a priory run with 8 seconds to spare last night 😄

[toxic pewter]

did u get the trinket

[jolly crystal]

I already have both, but pally friend got the signet

[toxic pewter]

dang

i havent even seen the tank trrinket yet

[vocal flame]

Wow that is great! Maybe I will go up to 5s and see how it is

[plush tendon]

for sure dude!

just send them keys

I level is not gonna hold you back

[solid sun]

How did you do 10s at 630? Some of these packs just absolutely crank

[plush tendon]

reality is... when in comms, you can mitagate issues with I level with good ability usage

and my group had good I level themselves

wow is all about gameplay first, then gear

I also didnt jump into a priory

[vocal flame]

Will do! thank you!

[solid sun]

lol so you got carried

I’m jk. I guess your friends are just better than mine

[urban bane]

I mean, also, Rookery lul

Not diminishing Augusto, he's a gamer for sure

[solid sun]

It does seem a little disingenuous though

You’re grouped with people noticeably higher ilvl than you in an easy dungeon

I’m sure you’re far better than me, so no hate, but I’m probably not gonna recommend doing 10s at 629 ilvl

[plush tendon]

I mean, you wont get in

unless you have friends

I think the point of the thought experiment is that I level shouldnt hold you back from pushing content

[topaz latch]

coordinated play does really mitigate ilvl imbalance tho

and unlike augusto, im actually not good at all, but coordinated tactics really mitigates that too

[plush tendon]

yea, gear mitigates lack of coordination; but just jump into content and give it a go

[topaz latch]

my fiance coordinates the play, shes our top dps'er and she just controls me like a robot, and i just literally do wut she says and it works lol.

[unborn island]

Question folks - I don't raid at the moment but want to kinda fudge some tier gear, I'm holding off using catalysts until I have enough to get 2p (in case I get a mythic track vault item).

How cake is the new raid on normal if I haven't looked at tactics at all? Would life be easier if I just tried to face roll it as a DPS?

[plush tendon]

normal is piss easy

heroic is a good step up

and mythic is not really puggable right now

[topaz latch]

cleared it first night, then second attempt was one shots all the way thru.

[plush tendon]

maybe first boss you can get into a lucky

[topaz latch]

on normal

[unborn island]

Yeah, I'm just gonna try pug it for tier pieces at the moment while normal still might give ilvl upgrades.

If you hadn't seen it would you fudge as DPS or is it easy enough to tank it if I read a 20s guide or something?

[topaz latch]

i got to ignore a lot as a tank

[plush tendon]

you can tank it; just read the TLDR or a watch a quick video of the fights

[topaz latch]

but deffo read a guide. if u fug up some of the taunt swaps itll wipe a pug easily. or even something as simple as not moving Rik far enough from stereo

[unborn island]

Fair

[topaz latch]

rik and trash guy are pug breakers right now

[plush tendon]

the fights are also more fun then Palace

I hated the spiders

[topaz latch]

this is the most fun ive had in a raid in a while. as tank at least.

[unborn island]

Haven't raided since Legion aside from doing the mythic first boss on the 2nd raid in BFA (battle for dazaldor or something?)

[plush tendon]

most fun raid Ive done since Battle for Daza Alor

[unborn island]

Very rusty as a raid tank, but it was always way easier than M+ I recall 🙂

[topaz latch]

honestly, im a below avg prot warr, and just having knowledge of the fights was enough to one or two shot.

i parse orange on vexie tho, no fcking idea why.

[dusky canopy]

It’s fairly common for tanks to not care about there damage and only about surviving

But orange non the less is still good!

[topaz latch]

i mean, im really, a below avg prot warr, so its just really wierd and jarring that i consistently parse purple and orange on vexie.

also, i actually really like to care about my damage. make the DD's sweat a lil is nice.

i must be doing something or stright up ignoring something that i shouldnt be

[unborn island]

My main raid claim to fame with parses was that I got an orange parse on the first boss in Antorus on mythic....

In a raid which was 20 tanks.

I think that says all you need to know about how much most tanks care about their damage 🙂

[topaz latch]

lolool thats wild

[twilit turtle]

Hi folks I'm confused

[smoky anvil]

Spooderpeople round 7 or whatever was exhausting. New raid is really fun.

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/P0GCErY.png

[plush tendon]

Top G playing Mechagnome

wonder what color his bugatti is

[strong forum]

ye wassup

[twilit turtle]

Both are toons, Brüin is my main

[topaz latch]

yeah but what are you confused about?

[plush tendon]

damn, I like the name Bruin

we gonna yoink that

[twilit turtle]

Why more dps with 622 and shitty trinkets than 645 paladin with S2 gear?

[strong forum]

cuz your paladin is using trinkets that do nothing

and prot pally has to talent into single target damage

prot warrior doesnt

[plush tendon]

Warrior is also a superior class

so theres that

[strong forum]

but also prot warri had been buffed this patch whereas prot pally has been nerfed!

[smoky anvil]

Prot pal still has chonk and utility. We stole their dmg.

[strong forum]

(good prot pallies still do crazy damage)

[twilit turtle]

Thunder has been nerfed so I'm using colosus

[strong forum]

thane hasnt been really nerfed

[topaz latch]

im still mountain thane. still feels good. cant let go of it

pretty durable, maybe overkill on the durability

[plush tendon]

Thane is totally viable

but Col is more fun

[vale venture]

is there a trick in motherlode for the trashpack infront of the second boss? with everything up, still hits like a truck? is it healer problem?

[plush tendon]

and more dammies when played well

[plush tendon]

nasty bleed

didnt we skip that pack in BFA?

[vale venture]

i think so but it was just a 7

[charred lodge]

Now that we are a couple weeks in on M+ how are people feeling about colossus vs mountain thane?

Personally I switched to colossus purely because I played mountain last season. It felt real bad for a few days when my haste got kinda low.

[limpid ruin]

You can drop stacks when he does his cast. Thats about it

[plush tendon]

or parry a bunch

[topaz latch]

do u just barely use IP as colossus. felt like i had dead globals and was just waiting around on procs or rage.

[sharp gale]

Dwarf already existed back then

[plush tendon]

people didnt really play Dwarf as much

cause raid was still faction locked

and most people raided as horde

some top groups would swap on push weeks though

[twilit turtle]

I play earthen

[sharp gale]

Yep m+ push would faction change

After prog

[plush tendon]

but spending 25 bucks every push week wasnt realistic for the vast majority

[twilit turtle]

But I prefer orc

[vocal flame]

Guess what I prefer?

[sharp gale]

Bfa was kinda really good to be dwarf and most importantly nelf (because so many cheese tech in bfa)

[plush tendon]

except if you wanted to raid

heck, even before BFA ally racials were just better then Horde

[cinder niche]

Hey Guys, can someone give me information when should i use Avatar and should i combine it with other ability ? I already use it on every pack pull i have it just for shield wall and dmg increase, but if fights are longer should i use it on CD ?

[plush tendon]

but the vast majority of the raid scene was horde side; getting people to swap wasnt going to happen

[unborn island]

Yep, use it on CD, unless there is a very specific thing you need the damage boost/shield wall for, but even then you probably don't want to hold for more than a few seconds seconds.

[ruby musk]

I just have mine bound to shield slam with trinkets and whatever else I'm autosending. If I play well it just lines up perfectly with demo shout, roar, rav, and demolish.

[cerulean tusk]

Send Ava on CD, if Ava isn't running for demolish - use shieldwall to get the Ava proc. Demoshout is used on CD, but can be held if it doesn't naturally overlap with demolish

[ruby musk]

If my timing is a little off or I have a demolish I want to send with it on CD I just pop shield wall for the mini-ava and send it

[limpid ruin]

That and nelf was hard required if you weren’t already on horde for lfg reasons

[plush tendon]

Dwarf got really popular in SL

I think in legion Blood Elf was actually the preferred choice (cant really remember)

cause Arcane Torrent was AoE silence

[sharp gale]

Some faction changed after prog, but yeah I mostly played with Russian/etc in bfa, the only time I pushed high keys

[cold shadow]

So I'm looking to reroll to either prot warrior or prot paladin (coming from dk (i'm too faint hearted)). Am I missing out a ton by not going paladin? Mostly utlity I guess. Warrior looks like the chad class

[plush tendon]

I prefer War

[ruby musk]

Warrior is the Chad class.

[wide charm]

How exactly does taunt work?
It brings you to the current highest threat's threat correct?
The reason I'm asking is because of H Gallywix, p1, there seems to be many people (included myself) experiencing taunt issues.
Yesterday I was in a pug and I was doing triple the other tank's dmg.... So about 20 seconds in when the cone went off, I'd just hit ESC and stop attacking for 6-8 seconds... he would taunt 2-3 seconds before the cone -- and I'd still get threat back.

[plush tendon]

Paladin is good at the top end, but it requires a LOT more practice and patience

[sharp gale]

I prefer war too

(Asking the question here and not expect this answer)

[plush tendon]

Paladin unironically the hardest tank to play really well imo

[wide charm]

I think there is a pretty fair skill ceiling for warriors in fairness

[ruby musk]

I've played both paladin and warrior, I always come back to war. The mobility and feel just hits different.

[cold shadow]

Hm. Yeah I really want to play brew. I've done that most of the time, but honestly it's such a stupid gap in some areas.

[plush tendon]

not nearly as high Paladin

[sharp gale]

After searching dh def cds, idk if paladin is the hardest to live, (surely hardest to play i agree)

[vocal flame]

Play what you enjoy 🙂

unless you want to get to that top % then meta is the game

[wide charm]

I've not played it, but every tank seems to feel this way. I've even met VDHs that make that claim, and I played Vengeance for a very long time --- It is most definitely not remotely difficult

[sharp gale]

With brew also be kinda hard because too many diff buttons in main rotation

[plush tendon]

VDH is also less difficult now

[cold shadow]

i do this absolutely most of the time, but sometimes it's just fun to play a spec that's "easier" 😄

[plush tendon]

with the recent changes

[vocal flame]

You can fall asleep playing guardian druid lol

[plush tendon]

Paladin has a lot of moving plates, you really need proper CD management (and in higher content externals), and the big boon of being a prot paladin is group util

[sharp gale]

Or be terrified by your health bar as bdk

[cold shadow]

yeah i've tried guardian a couple of times, but i will never play that, even if it's off the charts better than anything else

[plush tendon]

so if you cant keep yourself alive, do damage, do interrupts, and watch the group... then what the heck you doing on Paladin

[prime sphinx]

hop away at 8ish stacks

[toxic pewter]

just got seaforium trinket from floodgate.. is this wante by many specs or what everyone wanted it

[sharp gale]

Im still not used to my health going to 3% and going back to full every second

And if I sneeze I die

[plush tendon]

its really not that bad

[wide charm]

not including buffs/CC, there are 26 buttons on my prot warrior's UI that I use heavily in combat.

[cold shadow]

yeah i can't do that with dk, and very punishing if you miss sometehing

[plush tendon]

ive played Blood for over a decade

[prime sphinx]

best dung trinket for most str/agi users

[plush tendon]

you kind of just get used to being low health

[toxic pewter]

ok that makes sense

[sharp gale]

Yeah need to get used to it

[ruby musk]

It's probably the best overall trinket for raid/M+

[wide charm]

This though, does anyone know anything about taunt issues on Gallywix? Is there a fix to this?

[sharp gale]

Taunt after the cone

[plush tendon]

I think people are gonna be creaming for the bomb suit in M+

especially non-tank classes

[ruby musk]

My co tank DH got it

I like to imagine him full metamorphed wearing the suit

[wide charm]

see this was my thought too but someone was telling me once the animation starts it is going on that target regardless --- that sounded wrong to me

I figured taunt after the cast starts would work because you are forced to have highest threat for ~2 seconds after casting taunt correct?

[sharp gale]

Nop, it means he never taunted during the cast

[ruby musk]

Wait is bomb suit not a tank only trinket?

[sharp gale]

Because it 109% switch to other group and you wipe because of it

[wide charm]

The other tank was taunting 2-3 seconds before the cast started --- and I was not even targeting the boss for the last 6+ seconds

[sharp gale]

Why would you taunt before the cast ?

[wide charm]

IDK he was awful, bro literally accused me of spam taunting to troll and kicked me

then linked me a log proving he was wrong

[sharp gale]

(You could taunt switch be switching before the cast but why, it is 100% more risky)

[wide charm]

I just wanted to check if anyone else knew of taunt issues since other friends are telling me taunt issues are a thing on gally

[jagged pier]

I dont even know what we do and we've had no issues

[ruby musk]

I had weird timing with galley too where I taunted after cast but he still went after my cotank when he was the bomb

[sharp gale]

Not even raid hps issue ?

[plush tendon]

can non tanks not wear it?

[jagged pier]

im pretty sure more ppl can its tome they cant for sure

[sharp gale]

Hopefully we have a dps spec to test those thing

[wide charm]

So the fix seems to be just to be safe, taunt after the cast starts -- yea? If I see it happening again I'll make that suggestion

[ruby musk]

Yeah tome has tank only text on it i think. So if bomb suit doesn't then for high M+ I can't see why anyone wouldn't wear it.

[wide charm]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3dnfcwLDzRCH4paQ?fight=35&type=casts&source=1125

Pull 9 and 10 were the place this moron decided to rage kick me over spam taunting btw

[sharp gale]

After the cast end

After the other group gets hit with the cone

[wide charm]

Oh I gotcha, that's what I was doing in the previous group and never had any issue but

I'm pretty sure this guy was literally being outthreated by my fucking bleeds.

[plush tendon]

yea, I dont see that text

some of these dungeon bosses hurt

so I can see something like a healer priest slapping it on

or a boomkin

[sharp gale]

Or sham

But back in old days they didn’t use nzoth trinket, idk why they would now

[plush tendon]

idk, people for sure used the Fyrakk trink back in S3 of DF

[sharp gale]

I didn’t play S3, it’s also a trinket doing the exact same thing as bombsuit ?

[wide charm]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=207174/fyrakks-tainted-rageheart

Basically, it was a shield and also did aoe dmg

so it was very good for almost anyone in m+

[cosmic harness]

Is heavy repercussions a bad choice over into the fray?

[jagged pier]

no

[wide charm]

depends on your haste or if you have 4pc

As long as you can keep up shield block consistently, you take ITF

[cosmic harness]

I was about to ask, I feel I can't keep up shield block consistently with my actual gear

[sharp gale]

Take HR then

[cosmic harness]

So I will try with heavy repercussions

[jagged pier]

so play HR

[cerulean tusk]

HR is fine and makes you feel snuggly and safe inside your shieldblock windows.

We got enough dam

[plush tendon]

I cant play without into the fray

me want that haste

https://tenor.com/view/greet-enthusiast-excited-happy-gif-14683561

[sharp gale]

You will not see your dps go down by 500k bc you don’t have ITF

[cerulean tusk]

Gotta go fast

ITF = more than 500k dam, Happy confirmed 👍

[plush tendon]

ITF is at least 600k

[sharp gale]

I think it’s less than 100k diff in ST