protection

[long bronze]

1400 vers gaming lol

[heavy sparrow]

Specifically that boss, hard. Just like sacred flame 1st boss. After that, smooth sailing.

Generally I find 645 to be the balancing moment of being able to take part from 2-10s

[long bronze]

it kinda depends on your group

[heavy sparrow]

First week. Gear check just equip 3 more heroic pieces and you should be able to keep your head above water for that boss. 10 key bee boss is similar sweatting

[long bronze]

if they blast shit so fast you don't ever drop outa cds then it's gonna feel easy no matter the key level

if you're sweating first boss bleed for 3.5 minutes it's gonna feel bad

[restive oak]

yeah, honestly at 650 i felt 10s werent even testing my defensive at all

[heavy sparrow]

Felt this way with the rookery 10, and ToP 9

[restive oak]

top is a warrior dungeon

[heavy sparrow]

Hell yeah it is

Parry stance all the way buddy

[glacial eagle]

anyone else have issues with intial pulls feeling like you're paper? like i don't have ip or sb on because no rage. should I just start with wall on?

[heavy sparrow]

I like to go in raw sometimes too

[restive oak]

charge/shield charge into pack?

[raw parcel]

If you're doing a big pull, popping some defensives before you get properly stable isn't a bad idea.

[mighty valley]

charge + avatar will give you enough rage for sb before you're in melee range, and IO will pop sw for you

[raw parcel]

Though you should have SB basically on impact.

[chilly brook]

2nd to last pack you can skip with invis, just pull the last pack into boss room, secondarily if you want to skip the last pack (I haven't tried) but I feel like there's enough room for someone to run ahead and aggro those pull it to one side of boss room and then meld while everyone is on the other side

but that's just a theory

[keen heron]

Invis worked yea

[heavy sparrow]

Shield charge and shield wall revenge is my go to

[languid sorrel]

oh yeah, completely forgot about the bee... the fire poddles hit hard too...
talking about this dg in specific, how are you guys handling the beer boss? I'pa ?
I still haven't figured out a way to proper position the boss... if the DPS are not melting the adds, I struggle SO MUCH positioning it..

[languid sorrel]

yeah, rookery and top were dgs I felt pretty safe, I think only hard pull is the door before 2nd boss which has 2 big guys, other than that, feels pretty ok

[novel temple]

It's gotta be the seaforium charge, right?

[topaz latch]

i do not see anything there id take over that but maybe thats just me.

[glacial lynx]

Hm this or non tier hero track pieces

[drifting hull]

That. That over socketed tier with tertiaries

[glacial lynx]

Any clue if I should use tome or house of cards first

nvm you can do both

[sharp gale]

you have the choice : something you might never see again in your vault or something that is = to ANY piece catalysted

[drifting hull]

With tome, you track the state, and as soon as it turns to the defensive effect, then you activate it to put it back onto the dmg effect

its not something you pop as soon as you are going into damage

[sharp gale]

yeah just take a WA that glows when you need to press

[strong forum]

This

[small steeple]

my stat wieghts are so funny. And now that i got a mythic seaforium trinket, im just gonna get even more crit lol

[heavy sparrow]

Nice

[chilly brook]

time for shield charge to go brrrrrttt

[chilly brook]

Cinderbrew is very safe, either stun the bees on final sting or spell block/shield wall and they do nothing. By fire puddles I assume you mean the bee boss? Send CD's on them ez pz. As for Ipa, pull to corner and treat the room like it's a triangle, just move from one point of the triangle to the other after the adds spawn. Use stormbolt to slide by one of them if they spawn in your way.

[potent basin]

What is the best craft this season?

for first item?

[mighty valley]

shield's usually a safe bet if you didn't get one already

[potent basin]

I did get a heroic shield from M+

but is it worth it over the Gallywix shield? (if I ever get it)

[toxic pewter]

I crafted a weapon with ascendance just cuz it seemed like a fun craft and I can confirm it has been fun do big dam

[potent basin]

Thats what im also thinking, I just got a 3/6 heroic weapon from M+ but I think that the weapon might be the best bet

[mighty valley]

the gallywix shield effect is just a nice freebie, you'd never trade any ilvl for it

block value too important

[potent basin]

Wouldn't the effect be good for bosses? it seems it would do alot over a long bossfight

is the bullion we get from the .5 patch go up to myth tier?

[mighty valley]

if you're just parsing on safe content it might win out in dps? but if you're trying to live in tough keys for example, shield is our most important defensive slot

[potent basin]

true

[round pendant]

everyone died within two seconds after hammers came down and the ranged guys didn't kick the boss

on second boss in priory

how much of this is my fault

[long bronze]

100% you're the tank you need to read the dungeon journal to your group before every boss

you think they can read?

[round pendant]

dude these dungeon timers are too fucking tight

[jagged pier]

its week 1

[cyan bronze]

where

[cinder marsh]

what should i pick?

idk what to pick

[rancid tiger]

Hc track chest?

[cinder marsh]

yea its heroic tier piece

but then theres the bis neck

[rancid tiger]

But its champion

[small steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/reading-sign-cant-stop-me-no-one-can-stop-me-gif-13921932

[rancid tiger]

Get 4p take it from there

[cinder marsh]

ok

[topaz latch]

also saves you a cata charge, while also being champion.

[vocal flame]

I know the ilevel isnt that good but take shield over tier pc right? that seems to have been the going trend today

[plush tendon]

I wouldnt in this scenario; what level keys are you doing?

are you getting gilded crests?

[vocal flame]

Nothing crazy around 2-4, still getting routes down and still 638 ilevel

[plush tendon]

I would craft a shield in your position and take tier

the free heroic craft is available via story mode

and you start getting gilded crests once you hit +6 keys

[vocal flame]

ahh ok, that is what i was thinking too

[plush tendon]

and a gilded crafted shield will only be 3 less then a mythic I level shield

[vocal flame]

I can also cata my chest piece so I will have a 2pc

[plush tendon]

that shield in your vault is way too short term to be worthwhile

[plush tendon]

huge!

[vocal flame]

Thank you so much for the feedback!

[prisma crane]

Also @vocal flame Even if you're fairly new or don't feel confident, definitely push delves. Theyre pretty easy as prot and 11s gets you the crests you need for max level crafts. That 675 shield will do a lot of work

[plush tendon]

yea, delves are sick for just starting out

[vocal flame]

Thank You! I did some delves last week and man are keys stressful lol. but slowly moving up there.

Especially since I pug them all

[plush tendon]

normal raid also not terrible

can easily slam the first 4-5 bosses in a pug; maybe get some tier

[prisma crane]

Yep. It's a good balance. Nothing beats exposure though so just keep practicing. Also since you pug, people are 100x more forgiving in keys when you tell them up front you're new and learning.

[plush tendon]

eh, I wouldnt do that

[vocal flame]

Ok cool, I have been repeating the same 3 this week and feel pretty good, onto the rest this week

[prisma crane]

And try your best to ignore the assholes, there's many of them

Yea practice helps a ton

I definitely would, some ppl sign up to rip a low key, those same ppl complain and leave if you're slow. Wastes no time to let them know ahead of time. Keeps vibes on track

Obviously to each their own though

[topaz latch]

i did the upfront thing and told people it was a learner/route learning key and it weeded out a lot, and i mean A LOT of the chaff.

[prisma crane]

Yep

[topaz latch]

that was a long time ago, maybe things have changed, but i doubt it.

[prisma crane]

Even myself included I completely change my gameplay when I'm with ppl who tell me they're new

[topaz latch]

i sometimes throw up learner tags now, and just blaze through a key lol

[vocal flame]

ive watched videos and guides just more worried if I am going to die or not so i feel better with higher ilevel doing higher keys

[prisma crane]

Explain more, maybe pull smaller, etc

[topaz latch]

this, 10000%

i dont chain pull or do fancy skips when someone is new unless they ask.

[plush tendon]

I have no clue what the pug scene is like

I just do keys with guildies or I get pinged

[prisma crane]

That'll come with practice and knowing what's dangerous and what isn't.

[topaz latch]

i rarely pug but theres a small time zone difference where ill pug and not wait

[prisma crane]

Pugs even if they're decent I don't do skips lol. Not worth it

[plush tendon]

never do skips

[topaz latch]

if u dont have a clue about the pug scene whyd you advise against being upfront about learning?

[plush tendon]

legit doesnt matter until like +14/+15

[plush tendon]

because people are assholes

[prisma crane]

Not wrong but that's why I advise it. Get em out early

[plush tendon]

rather the homie not get into a group and insta kicked

[topaz latch]

thats true, and you weed a lot of them, a LOT, by saying its a learner run.

[prisma crane]

If you're real new it's best to make your own groups anyways (imo)

But yea you do run the risk of an insta kick. But it's probably for the best.

[topaz latch]

i have one surefire key group and then my guildies, but theres a time zone difference, a smol hour of purgatory where i might pug in a gaming session.

[vocal flame]

Got the crushers. Simming 150k dps increase haha. Cant wait to try it out

[prisma crane]

Oh shit nice

[topaz latch]

im also dating a wow player, and shes my raid co tank so im actually pretty set lol

[plush tendon]

the other trick; if you have a good run with people, ask them if they want to do another key

[prisma crane]

^

[sudden lynx]

Yo can I infer from the pinned message that your spec doesnt matter if you're fishing for tier set? Or rather, I can go prot and it's fine?

[plush tendon]

no reason to disband if it was a good time

[prisma crane]

Chaining runs with successful groups is big big

[sudden lynx]

This is very true

[prisma crane]

Vibes start to roll too

Plus it's a great way to make new friends

[topaz latch]

ive been slowly adding good dps over the past few years, and theyve become my go to key runners

[vocal flame]

Good idea, never tried that

[plush tendon]

the next thing you do is then add people; doesnt mean you play with them all the time, but now your name is blue to them in lfg

[prisma crane]

I'm no hippie by any stretch but just being more positive as a whole needs to happen and ppl generally respond well to it too

[plush tendon]

its what people do for title pushing while pugging; helps weed people out

[prisma crane]

Yup yup

[plush tendon]

and people can be like 'oh yea, i played with him. Hes cool'

[small steeple]

what route have you guys been using for floodgate? going straight and doing a big trashp ull, or going right towards 1st boss?

[plush tendon]

Ive been doing big trash pull with lust

not sure what the pug strat is

[prisma crane]

I make lots of notes on new btag added people so I remember who's who lol

[plush tendon]

first boss seems like it can go sideways fast

[topaz latch]

i HAVE to do that lol

"devoker who ripped threat off me in priory. good deeps."

[prisma crane]

Same lol. People ask to add me all the time and I never remember. Especially if they're on a different class next time around

[sudden lynx]

Only done it once but I just grabbed stuff at a comfortable pull size and went in objective/boss order

And it was fine

[prisma crane]

"Seems solid, keep for now"

[somber trellis]

May sound silly, what's the current justification for taking Thunderous Words over Spear? Is there any extra bleeds I am not thinking of that makes it's value more?

[prisma crane]

Or "terrible player, added to be nice, remove later"

[plush tendon]

preference really

[novel temple]

Honestly, keys with pugs sucks. It’s too reliant on dps

[topaz latch]

last night, had a slghtly undergeared chick who had more interrupts than the rest of the party combined

"kicking queen"

[plush tendon]

but roar is easier

[small steeple]

i've been oing this, but not sure what others are doing

[prisma crane]

Hell yea

[plush tendon]

I do 9 as my first pull

and I also grab the pack just north of it

try to avoid snipers

snipers big no no

[prisma crane]

8 is my first. Boy do i do that place wrong lol. Early enough in the season where I haven't checked routes yet lol

[sudden lynx]

Hahah same here

[plush tendon]

this is what I do

[topaz latch]

wth, i do 8 first also lol

[plush tendon]

oh, forgot the guys just west of mama

include those

[small steeple]

i'm just trying to figurte out whats gonna be most successfull with pugs

[plush tendon]

No idea; is first boss challenging in pugs?

[small steeple]

not from my experience

but 🤷

only done it 3/4 times so

[glacial lynx]

I just pull the snipers and big robot at the start my healer and dps hate the jump

[sharp olive]

Happy vault day

Is crest vendor bugged?

I can't see any, anymore

[prisma crane]

This makes me feel better. Way closer to just what I came up with walking around the place

[harsh trellis]

Why is defenders aegis a better pick over impen wall with colossus?

[sudden lynx]

Are these the shield wall talents

[harsh trellis]

yes

[sudden lynx]

If they are then I'm pretty sure it's a matter of having two charges is really good in general for flexibility, and also since you run the avatar talent it results in more avatar as well

I'm not convinced you HAVE to run aegis but I have liked it better myself

[jagged pier]

Because they removed the rage gen from it

[harsh trellis]

Ill give it a shot, this makes sense

[sudden lynx]

This too

[harsh trellis]

ahhh ok

[pallid quiver]

It's not even just for Colo; it's better for Thane, too, because of the loss of the rage gen and SW's base CD being reduced, so the flat CDR from DA is a larger percentage of CDR than before

[errant coral]

Hey everyone

[round cliff]

got hero tier with leech

pogging out rn

[lusty grotto]

whoo boy

finally a good vault

[errant coral]

Returning warrior tank here. Only looking to really do mythic dungeons, as I don't have much time for raids.

So, I've already done a few dungeons and mythic 0.

With ignore pain, should we be using it all the time when we can?

Is there a weak aura or something to track its uptime?

[lusty grotto]

a good 1st vault of a season

just kidding

its fucking garbage

[sudden lynx]

MY EYES

[waxen frigate]

Isn’t signet decent

[lusty grotto]

on point with all my vaults

[waxen frigate]

Uptime on it is irrelevant

Generally you want to use it if you have excess rage or a big tankbuster coming up

[lusty grotto]

i guess ill get the tier chest

[pallid quiver]

I'd recommend revisiting one of the guides on Icy Veins or Wowhead, your preference, but to answer directly:

IP is handled mostly passively by just pressing it as a rage dump. Uptime is 100% dependant on damage profiles and doesn't tell you much

[errant coral]

Ah I see. Did they rework it a little? Didn't it used to be like a shield?

[waxen frigate]

It still is

[pallid quiver]

You get applications of IP from doing your rotation properly without even needing to hit the button (Violent Outburst), and it gets fluffed by also doing your rotation and damage (Brutal Vit)

[waxen frigate]

But you get a ton of it passively

[distant fractal]

I know Hekelli has a bug right now where it says to never use IP during execute windows, lol.

[small steeple]

BECAUSE IMPENEDRABLE WALL NO LONGER GIVES SHIELD SLAM RAGE GEN

sorryt caps

[pallid quiver]

It's our secondary form of rotation mitigation, with the primary form being blocking

[round cliff]

are you guys using this to secure 2set asap or saving it to get 4set?

[waxen frigate]

Do you raid in a guild

[round cliff]

i do yes

[waxen frigate]

I would check with your guild then

[pallid quiver]

You can think of it like how Prot Pala's main mit is the armor from SotR, and can optionally add in self-healing with WoG as a secondary form of mit, except ours is an additional absorb

[waxen frigate]

Since sending it on 2set is generally a bad idea if your guild is managing loot

[small steeple]

why did i have to get this from the tw chest....

[waxen frigate]

Unless you’re told otherwise

[pallid quiver]

His raid lead's a NEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRD

If it's still the same guy who I went to high school with

[errant coral]

Alright, so rotation generally, you want to charge, shield slam or thunder clap for aoe then block right?

Just trying to get back into the swing of things

[pallid quiver]

I'll once again point you towards one of the guides on Icy Veins or Wowhead; your rotation priority technically will slightly depend on what hero spec you are, but both guides will address that in a basic manner

But general rotation prio is always SS > TC > Revenge, and you should never have a dead global

[waxen frigate]

So you're going by "Luerce" now nerd? Haha whats up douche bag, it's Tanner from Highschool. Remember me? Me and the guys used to give you a hard time in school. Sorry you were just an easy target lol. I can see not much has changed. Remember Sarah the girl you had a crush on? Yeah we're married now. I make over 200k a year and drive a mustang GT. I guess some things never change huh loser? Nice catching up lol. Pathetic..

[lusty grotto]

So you're going by "Nish" now nerd? Haha whats up douche bag, it's Tanner from Highschool. Remember me? Me and the guys used to give you a hard time in school. Sorry you were just an easy target lol. I can see not much has changed. Remember Sarah the girl you had a crush on? Yeah we're married now. I make over 200k a year and drive a mustang GT. I guess some things never change huh loser? Nice catching up lol. Pathetic..

[errant coral]

Thanks I'll check it

[waxen frigate]

im smoking gator gunk on the grassy knoll so lost in the sauce i feel like a crumb presidential pursuits put me in the primary im pulling out my secondary and blasting all these fucks back to their first trimester i'm feeding the streets with blanket statements and empty promises i'm a trench politician you get it out the mud but cant get the mud out of you your past will be your downfall and your opposition has front row seats came out the womb punched in on the clock i'm not clocking out until god takes my shift away from me every day i link up with affirmations to talk about the whats and whatnots of my future fanum taxation is theft i have so much motion that i'm a working hypothesis for why we have earthquakes my bag mysterious the way i'm getting to the bottom of it sitting adjacent to the toilet 2 IPAs in i feel like i'm in trigonometry class except i got my x solving for me what's the deal with social anxiety just guzzle your brew hit your burnt ulta pod and spit affirmations at shorty it's not that deep

[distant fractal]

Zoomer copy pastas give me such intense whiplash.

[lusty grotto]

how is babby formed?

lmao idk i think its fucking funny

and im ancient

[waxen frigate]

We’re so back the way he nods is so tuff that shits trim $8 phone case forex and commodities connect strawberry mint hair growth oil individualize it to a single unit it’s even easier bruzz house or bop house what I do instructions unclear body check Sydney Sweeney frat sweetheart check the water in Cupertino they’re gonna show this on Fox News bite the curb Chinese social credit I am paying WiFi for this next segment Mongolian tech extremist finger paint nothing ever happens ye sloth thinking he getting some pow envy found alive dick-tac-toe a winner academic weapon trim bro trim barbecue bacon burger Dubai chocolate good tradwife who’s getting the best head who’s getting the best radiation it’s so preppy in here sticking out your gyatt for the Rizzler Gail Lewis

[lusty grotto]

lmaooo

[waxen frigate]

I should get around to finishing my tactical nuke copypasta

It’s like 4 discord message limits long

[lusty grotto]

rofl

[distant fractal]

do it up

[round cliff]

thought this was dracula flow for a sec

[pallid quiver]

I check back in just to see quality

[errant coral]

At the moment I'm ilevel 612 and seemed to be getting destroyed in mythic dungs sometimes lol

[round cliff]

i mean

[round cliff]

ur ilvl 612

ofc ur getting destroyed

[lusty grotto]

#protection message @dusky canopy your trinket karma hit me hard pls send help

[round cliff]

ur low ilvl by last season standards

[pallid quiver]

hey, i started this season about ilvl 615-ish

[errant coral]

Trying to gear up but need to do mythic 0 really xd

[distant fractal]

heroics will get you 619s.

[errant coral]

I did get a nice trinket though is it any good?

[round cliff]

sorry to tell u

literally our worst trinket

there is no worse

[errant coral]

Lmao

Really?

It sounds good on paper

[waxen frigate]

Surely not worse than the platinum armor shit

[pallid quiver]

Do you know how much damage we take?

If 345k is a life saving amount, there is problems

[round cliff]

bottom of the barrel is made up of multiple planks here

wood glued together

[pallid quiver]

At least it gives primary stat

[lusty grotto]

im so pissed at this vault im just gonna leave it there

[raw parcel]

What about the platinum plating? I think that's F Tier.

[pallid quiver]

no don't

take it from me

[round cliff]

just as bad!

[errant coral]

Also i got this today from a mythic +2 I did with some buddies

[pallid quiver]

I've opened like 6 vaults on my shaman so far because of things like that, Nim

[round cliff]

its like

fine

not bad

just fine

oh wait no

thats the 3rd trinket in F tier

its ALSO terrible

[errant coral]

Lol

[round cliff]

you got 2/3 worst trinkets for us

congrats

[pallid quiver]

That trinket is still not great; it still at least has primary

[errant coral]

Hahah

[distant fractal]

That trinket is a delve drop no?

[errant coral]

Rip me

[toxic pewter]

nothin worse thangabage ball tbh

[errant coral]

Or delv yeah

I did some delvs

[pallid quiver]

but we've got some rock solid trinkets this season mostly all pure damage though so if you were wanting something defensive, my condolences

[raw parcel]

I think our tier list is sleeping on Signet of the Priory. It's not just a big stat cooldown for us, but since it's BiS for a ton of people, we're also buffing anyone else using it.

[toxic pewter]

first hero item of season this is the worst trinket trust me

[round cliff]

garbage sphere???

thats so fucking cool tho

[toxic pewter]

it fuckin sucks to use

wait whoa they buffed it

it used to be 10 seconds in the air

[waxen frigate]

lil bro can’t aim 💔

[round cliff]

the masculine urge to drop all personal branding and rebrand myself to "garbage sphere" on all socials

[toxic pewter]

dude no tool tip said 10 seconds yesterday

they buffed it

not bad now lmao

[pallid quiver]

You get a lot of damage from minigaming Tome since it's a tank trinket, and some of the other trinkets just do a lot

[round cliff]

is there a tome WA

[pallid quiver]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh probably maybe?

[waxen frigate]

You give me that trinket I’m moving like prime Jordan windmill dunking on toddlers

[pallid quiver]

I was just gonna craft myself a shitty half-ass one if I ever got a drop

[toxic pewter]

lol i aint standing around for 10 seconds (this was before it was apparently buffed)

[errant coral]

Delvs is best to solo then right?

I mean gear.

[pallid quiver]

If you're going entirely solo, it's the only way to get higher level gear ignoring gearing for pvp

But you don't lose out on loot being in a group for delves, either

[raw parcel]

Tome is my other one currently 🙂 Had to do 29 runs of Priory for the fucking thing.

[lusty grotto]

imagine having a tome

imagine having luck

https://tenor.com/view/rip-kermit-died-sad-gif-13974974

[raw parcel]

29 runs isn't luck, it's madness inducing.

[errant coral]

Ty guys really helpful.

[pallid quiver]

that's more runs than I did M+ at all last week

I think I ran like 7 M+ dungeons last week?

[raw parcel]

I was using Big Red Button and wanted it gone.

[pallid quiver]

no, wait, i had 3 slots, so it was at least 8

[distant thicket]

yo when looting for prot do yall loot as fury if no shields

[errant coral]

Prots in a good place right now right? I switched to monk in bfa because of how poor prot was.

[pallid quiver]

Depends on if you need a 1H or not

[waxen frigate]

Ye generally

[distant thicket]

dont need 1h

[pallid quiver]

There's also value for going Prot lootspec for some trinkets that only drop for tank, like Tome from Priory

[lusty grotto]

do you have a myth 1h?

if not then you do

[raw parcel]

We feel great in my opinion. Big deeps, sturdy as hell.

[pallid quiver]

Ignoring that Prot War was relatively cracked for most of BFA, especially the end All tanks are in good overall spots and capable of content

There's none that are struggling in any meaningful way; there's some that are lagging behind in DPS from time to time, but any differences will only really make differences in World First keys and you not being a BDK for mass grip in the raid fight that effectively requires you to have mass grip

[raw parcel]

Our damage actually feels meaningful right now. It's so much fun.

[pallid quiver]

We're not even like drastically popping off, either. Other tanks do close to our damage or can even go pass iirc. It's just harder to do that damage

since we just press demo, press revenge five times, bam, top of the meters

[waxen frigate]

This is just fake news

[raw parcel]

Yeah, VDH also does rock solid damage. I just am not used to being able to match the Illidan cosplayers in that regard.

[waxen frigate]

Prot sims and performs higher than the other tanks

[errant coral]

Am I thinking you can just copy the string for talents and put it straight into the game?

[pallid quiver]

Other tanks haven't even had their APLs set until recently. You can go and check in with Nome, too, if you want specifics

[errant coral]

Do you just copy and paste it?

[distant thicket]

do we go 2pc-2pc?

[raw parcel]

Our last set was garbito, I wouldn't prio it at all.

[pallid quiver]

Our S1 tierset was garbonzo

[raw parcel]

Go for ilvl.

[pallid quiver]

It's very likely you'll swap out for ilvl, ye

[formal elbow]

how i love this fellow tank pals....1. id and some moonkin rolled on tank trinkets...:< had passed for a fellow tank..and then that....grml

[distant thicket]

aight ill wait till heroic to catalyse rn not doing 10s just yet for myth

[raw parcel]

After the nerfs, 10s are actually achievable for normies at the moment. I got one last week to my pleasant surprise.

[distant thicket]

floodgate is still rough for me it seems

[raw parcel]

Floodgate is one I actually enjoy quite a lot, fun bosses.

I'm in the minority on this, but I actually kinda dislike Motherlode. Every route I do feels wrong.

If anyone has a paste-eater ready route for Motherlode, please link it. Assume I'm allergic to invis pots.

[pallid quiver]

hold w

[ionic nimbus]

FG is great if u not have to heal the 3rd boss

[languid sorrel]

after getting 4pc how would the talents be like? just drop rav for battering ram or what?

[pallid quiver]

This

[ionic nimbus]

This is an option

But you can keep rav if u think you need it

[pallid quiver]

^^^

[languid sorrel]

what (or would you) drop to get battering ram if not rav?

[pallid quiver]

you just don't get ram in that case

[ionic nimbus]

You don’t need BR

[languid sorrel]

hmm ok

[ionic nimbus]

It’s just good in synergy with set

[pallid quiver]

They're quite similar in value once you get full tier set, though ram is technically ahead

You lose out on the benefits of Ravager, though

Like it being nice for aggro on pulling groups and what-not

[keen star]

how should I use the priory book trinket? like force switch it to damage when I want to do damage or switch it to magic absorb when I'm tanking magic damage?

does it always switch modes when I press it?

[ionic nimbus]

I would take BR and adapt to play without rav for a couple of keys

[languid sorrel]

thanks guys @pallid quiver @ionic nimbus I'll test playing BR without rav to see how it feels. I don't really like rav but its good for aggro, but I'll test it, thanks =)

[wide charm]

For vault, would you guys take a tier helm or tome of light's devotion (both myth track)
I already have tome but it is champ track

[ionic nimbus]

Npnp

[dusky canopy]

FFFF i took heroic lock n stalk

[pallid quiver]

Tome

[dusky canopy]

my myth track slots were all ass

[pallid quiver]

you can always cata a myth helm

[novel pike]

tome probably bc can catalyst a tier set on any piece

[pallid quiver]

#protection message

Nome has a write-up little thing there

[novel pike]

are you guys looting vault as prot this week bc of tome chance?

[potent anvil]

Prot owns

[pallid quiver]

no

u own

[lusty grotto]

[urban bane]

[lusty grotto]

mine isnt even heroic

[keen star]

wow thanks a lot, glad I dropped it on hero then

[wide charm]

I was leaning the other way only because you have limited catas atm and you can run priory unlimited times for the hero track tome

[velvet knot]

https://tenor.com/view/not-bad-billy-the-departed-sounds-good-alright-gif-52335141634044875

[novel pike]

nice shield

[pallid quiver]

But consider that your literal only source of Mythic Tome is from vault

You can get Myth helms from Myth raid if you do that

[wide charm]

yeah it's just how important is 4pc for this and next week I guess

[lusty grotto]

ok ima just come back on thursday

[pallid quiver]

And any helm will be Myth

And Myth helms can just be tier, too

[lusty grotto]

look at all these good vaults and then get this

[novel pike]

yeah I agree you'll be waiting on that myth tome all season

[wide charm]

I feel like I definitely won't get 2 pieces of tier from raid in 1 lockout

[lusty grotto]

#protection message

[wide charm]

ugh

[pallid quiver]

honestly, our 4p isn't revolutionary

[wide charm]

I can't imagine +75% crit chance on shield slam is insignificant

[wide charm]

the shield charge cdr is nice too of course

[lusty grotto]

stop it

[velvet knot]

c:

[pallid quiver]

It's not super great in pure ST, since it procs on you taking damage

[lusty grotto]

3 myth slots vs 1

[keen star]

yea probably helps with shield block uptime when you go ITF

[velvet knot]

my first vault in s1 had myth track ara-kara sacbrood or w/e

[wide charm]

:this:

[lusty grotto]

do you play often

[velvet knot]

no

[lusty grotto]

im convinced

yeah

[velvet knot]

I do like 2 keys a week

[lusty grotto]

im convinced you get loot if you arent as active in game

nobody will ever change my mind

[pallid quiver]

It's better than our last tier set, but it's not revolutionary; tome will almost certainly give you more damage, particularly in raid, than 4p will

[velvet knot]

i mostly just play classic wow

[pallid quiver]

i mean my vault was about the same as yours, and i am a lazy shite

[wide charm]

Alright alright I'll first-world problems level begrudgingly take the tome

xP

[lusty grotto]

🤔

[pallid quiver]

just remember to play tome right

[wide charm]

I have a WA for it already --- you do just keep the crit up AMAP right?

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, the armor buff or whatever is

less than good

[wide charm]

I let it stay in armor for the magic dmg proc in the last part of Darkflame

[pallid quiver]

i ended up taking a hero tier helm

[lusty grotto]

yeah i mean

thats my only choice for prot

but im thinking if signet might actually be okayish as a 2nd trinket for arms

and it is due to sims

so kinda on the fence

[pallid quiver]

Depending on trinkies, I'd take the signet for now tbh

Not the worst thing out there for Prot, either

[lusty grotto]

yeah ill see if i can LFR snipe a tier piece or something

guild didnt give me any last week so

feelsbadman

[pallid quiver]

I don't even have a guild to raid with in general

i didn't even enter raid last week

That was probably a mistake, but I had other things to do last week

[lusty grotto]

i wonder why LFR has no 1st boss

[pallid quiver]

Does the map loop around or something? LFR skips around from time to time

Like Nathria skipped from 1st boss to Sludgefist iirc

[toxic pewter]

prob will be first boss then straight to one armed bandit

then prob mugzee and gallywix fourth week

[lusty grotto]

yeah probably

[errant coral]

So i capped my valorstones earlier and I upgraded one of those awful trinkets lol. Rip me🤣

[prisma crane]

My brain has this same bug

[glacial lynx]

Is tome a good M+ trinket?

[heavy sparrow]

So is it not worth it to have 2 crafted items ( embellishments) anymore?

[small steeple]

i dont think anyone said that. you just literally can't though, not enough sparks

[strong forum]

for m+ itself its decently good, its not perfect and you wont get 100% value out of it, but its insanely powerful on bosses and raid

[oak ivy]

Crit Enchant or Auth of the Depths 🤔

[glacial lynx]

okay so ill prolly be stuck with a hero pacemaker or soemthign over it

[valid spade]

So I'm getting absolutely eaten alive in mythic plus do I just need to get better. The magic damage dots are rough so unless I take specific group comps finding it hard

[daring narwhal]

hard to say without logs, might be a healer issue. Post a log in #1347646810457636974

[valid spade]

How are you lot finding them in general where are we sitting

[small steeple]

Could also be not enough IP and cd usage

[sharp gale]

technically you craft on cd (after you start crafting ofc)

you lose 0 crest crafting

[lusty grotto]

not particularly bad

its fort so plan your defensives

well, fort into tyr i mean

since last week was tyr into fort

[valid spade]

Fair enough maybe it's just cd usage then, I'm running colossus so feel like I'm at least using IP etc when needed and the demolish to help maybe more last stand

[lusty grotto]

we all run colossus here for the most part

nome says jump, we jump

summersault even

[undone beacon]

thoughts nim?

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-kermit-died-sad-gif-13974974

[undone beacon]

lmfao

[lusty grotto]

its me from the grave

fyi

talking currently

[undone beacon]

spooky

[chilly brook]

do you not realize that it's much harder to get the exact trinket you want out of vault in comparison to the fact that you have multiple sources of myth track helmets that you can mostly freely change into tier?

tier is not that insane

[wide charm]

Sure it depends on your goals, I generally only play the first 3 weeks of the season then completely stop pushing

[chilly brook]

I promise you

[wide charm]

so getting tier earlier is very useful to me, but IDK what you mean, I took the tome lol

[undone beacon]

tome more like

like uhhh

loam

[chilly brook]

tier does almost nothing for you gameplay wise

did an 11 last week with only 2p

pre nerf

[dark turtle]

Where do I go it I want to see what talents other warriors are running in raid fights and M+?

[wide charm]

o. O what do you mean? I'd imagine the damage upgrade is significant, swapping to ITF, getting more shield charges in general is useful in m+

Hero track of that trinket is really not much worse

[chilly brook]

you already ran ITF if you had the haste

[heavy sparrow]

What what. I don't craft on cool down?

[chilly brook]

The only significant change is you swap to battering ram over ravager

and while yes, it's a damage upgrade, that's not what is keeping you from timing keys

[wide charm]

xD well of course not but having a good chunk of extra dmg for free is always good

[chilly brook]

you're never replacing the myth track version and you don't know if you'll ever see it again

you will see plenty of myth track armor

[wide charm]

I really don't know why you're typing to me like this is still up for debate

I already agree with what you are saying lmao

[strong forum]

^

[undone beacon]

Hey Lei

[wide charm]

yo

[undone beacon]

Fuck you nerd

[strong forum]

im too much of a pussy to open vault as prot

[wide charm]

hell yea

[dusky canopy]

yeah fuck you pash!

[strong forum]

too many shit tank trinkets

[dusky canopy]

lets argue!

[chilly brook]

because you're still defending a poor line of logic?

[undone beacon]

YEAH!!!!

[dusky canopy]

WARRIOR

FUCK YEAH

[undone beacon]

This is the prot warr discord channel baby we get VIOLENT

[wide charm]

You want a fight so bad it's fucking wild.
I've EXPLICITLY not defended it multiple times now.

[wide charm]

How do you read this comment and then think "wtf is this guy nuts?? He is still defending his original QUESTION?

[undone beacon]

Idk I think you should take uhhh a delve trinket or something that I'm sure is in the vault

Trust

[lusty grotto]

dw it'll be better than mine

[strong forum]

first vault of the season is always scary

you dont wanna end up like @forest wyvern

has to pick socket from his first vault

[vocal flame]

wow that sucks 😦

[lusty grotto]

jesus

[wooden dove]

crafting a mythic shield 2nd week is best for a heroic pug raider prot warrior who hates farming high m+ but likes delves, right??

[lusty grotto]

yeah

gilded* shield

but yeah

[wooden dove]

whats the difference between mythic shield and gilded shield?

[lusty grotto]

1 upgrade

so like 3 ilvls

[wooden dove]

ah ok, i just assume a crafted mythic shield would have 3 less ilvls than a mythic shield drop, so gilded is the adjective used to specift its crafted

[lusty grotto]

but mythic shields only drop from raid or vault by doing 10s

crafted gilded crest shield lol

to be precise, anyway im being anal about it just ignore

[wooden dove]

😄 npnp

[lusty grotto]

but yeah go for it, to answer your question

[wooden dove]

ty ❤️

[lusty grotto]

its a massive defensive upgrade

[autumn glen]

Would you take the myth ring, or the heroic tier shoulders?

[heavy sparrow]

Just the tier of trinkets that suit my personality

[feral drift]

6 tokens and get the gold. gear is a crutch /s

[sharp gale]

crafting doesn't waste crest anymore, so even after your second embellish you keep crafting

[feral drift]

Honestly have no clue what to craft with my Spark. Here to ask if theres any HUGE theory craft changes from double Duskthread

[sharp gale]

every each X week if you math your crests on the next wednesday etc you get a myth track from vault and a 675 crafted gear

[forest wyvern]

[feral drift]

i dont want to end up looking good in a tank top too

[forest wyvern]

[wooden dove]

what do you mean by crafting not wasting crests anymore

[sharp gale]

in season 1 before the cost change (90 ->60 gilded), you wasted crest by crafting

since 623-> 639 (upgrading myth track in season 1) was 75 crests

[wooden dove]

ah ok you mean that

[sharp gale]

and crafts are 1 lvl lower than full so you just 75-15 = 60

[wooden dove]

as a non-mythic casual pugger, ill get gilded crests from delves and keep crafting every slot then

[sharp gale]

i would just plan crest spending to have 60 crest every week you can craft / get the spark

[wooden dove]

you get 21 crests a week from delves + 10 from each map, 1 from underpin ambush, 1 from the end of delve chests, so every two weeks, its guaranteed to have more than 60 crests with just delves

[dull shoal]

Bomb suit or hero track tier legs? 😦

[heavy sparrow]

You can max out basically 1 mythic track item a week

[sharp gale]

it is just the week you get a new spark instead of full upgrade your myth track, you upgrade 2 lvl (30) and craft with the 60 / you will finish with the next week or what you got left from the week before

[old flame]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/garrosh/ilyamurometz

please assist with this choice warrior frens

I'm having trouble deciding. thinking tier gloves or the chest since I have crafted boots/shield

[waxen frigate]

Well you surely don’t already have boots/shield crafted since we’ve only gotten 1 spark so far

What stats are on the boots

And are they myth track

I can’t remember what ilvl it starts at this tier

[old flame]

I mean I had them crafted last season, they aren't new crafts

boots are still hero. only managed an 8 this week

Sim says titan of industry shield

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sVV2jJSRrNHH2DgtK6TbBx

[lusty grotto]

why arent you picking tier

do you already have gloves?

everything is hero and farmable

[old flame]

652 champ non tier gloves

[lusty grotto]

and a Titan at champ level is meh

[old flame]

er hero gloves

sim says otherwise but yeah gloves make the most sense

[lusty grotto]

its a champ shield

you can farm hero shields

[old flame]

good point

and i'm not 2k yet so I can get another cata charge if I get a hero hat

[lusty grotto]

yeah probably the better pick

hero hat into cata, hero gloves that you already have into cata

[old flame]

4pc

[lusty grotto]

yep

[old flame]

well no I already used a charge last week for pants. so I should take the free hero tier gloves tho

[lusty grotto]

helm into cata

[old flame]

yeah

[lusty grotto]

you dont have a hero helm

or do you

[old flame]

not yet

[lusty grotto]

then pick helm

fuck the free gloves

you get a charge next week

[heavy sparrow]

Just a reminder everyone of blockable and reflectable spells

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQQCkBEkOadsvO4sTphB1RwzC6Z_3kq00IFaBrCk5Eagz2Jeoox7D7Rk3XwXMINbh4lUg9Vr-3RgoB2/pubhtml#

[lusty grotto]

and then you already have hero gloves ready for it

[heavy sparrow]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQQCkBEkOadsvO4sTphB1RwzC6Z_3kq00IFaBrCk5Eagz2Jeoox7D7Rk3XwXMINbh4lUg9Vr-3RgoB2/pubhtml#

[old flame]

good point

[lusty grotto]

bruh its pinned

just say

it has been pinned since legion

[heavy sparrow]

I'll pin you next

[mighty valley]

😊

[lusty grotto]

[young harbor]

is myth track cinderbrew stein any good

[lusty grotto]

its ok

[sage yacht]

what tume can i ppen vault chat

im in eu

[frail ibex]

Hey is there a reason the special effect weapon is not bis from the raid?

[hardy snow]

it has no secondaries and we as tank get less dmg from the special effect

[frail ibex]

Ah gotcha

[lusty grotto]

its a 1.2% dps increase from an equivalent remixed ignition saber (at least with my current gear)

so...

not worth losing the secondaries

easy to sim it out

[chilly brook]

prot owns

[teal hill]

ARE WE CRAFTING SHIELDS FIRST OR WHAT

[small steeple]

wow that socks

hehe

[lusty grotto]

🧦

[small steeple]

🧦

[raw parcel]

So avoidance doesn't matter much, does it?

Because I keep getting pieces with it xD Up to 5%

[oak ivy]

ST, do we send Demolish on CD or full stacks only

acknowledging you'll typically have full stacks by the time it comes off

[raw parcel]

On CD it should be at full stacks, generally.

[nocturne spindle]

bois

we pumpin time

[oak ivy]

W

[vocal flame]

Damn grats

[raw parcel]

Grats! How many runs it take you?

[vocal flame]

I am 11 in and nothing

[raw parcel]

It took me 29 to get both trinkets.

[nocturne spindle]

like 15 runs

[spice hull]

when is full mythic 4piece worth replacing from NP?

[mighty valley]

Doesn’t hurt but it doesn’t really make any gearing decisions for us

More impactful for non tanks

[oak ivy]

the weirdness of ilvl parses

[fallow fern]

hmm.. mythic tier gloves... or heroic tier chest... chest bigger upgrade atm.. but thinking hands for the long game..

[agile elbow]

Are we crafting 2x Duskthread on stuff just because of how little embellishments actually give us?

[hollow hill]

Should I take champion tier shoulders to get my 2 set this week or take hero non-tier shoulders and wait until next week? Doubtful I will have another shot at a tier token this week

[woven perch]

would be my guess

[restive oak]

chest is our worst stat tier slot i think, but if its your best option at this point you can fix it alter

[raw parcel]

Just tried a fortified Priory run. Am I alone in thinking it's still overtuned?

[prime sphinx]

jeesus thats depressing

[raw parcel]

Why depressing?

[prime sphinx]

taking a cloak in your first vault

[vivid spade]

would you put helm (crit/mastery) over chest (haste/mastery)?

[oak ivy]

Just wiped on bandit with 90k HP

[restive oak]

yes because i already have more than enough haste and crit is good for colossus, but i mean if its your best option its your best option

but for realy you can probably just balance out your stats with your jewelery and be pretty fine

[gilded hearth]

Normal cards, or become what brewmasters ought to be

[lament cloak]

Vault Q and Help Request: YES I SIMMED
I Got the following in the Vault (it would replace this):

649-Heroic-1/6-Enforcers Back Alley SHoulderplates BIS
(639-Myth-6/6- S1 Warsculptors Horned Spaulders)

649-Heroic-1/6-Candlebearer's Shroud
(645-Champ-4/8-Trashmasters Mantle) BIS

649-Heroic-1/6-Enforcesrs Back Alley Chausses BIS
(645-Champ-4/8-Galvanized oxxein legguards)

639-Champ-2/8-Reverb Radio BIS A-tier
649-Heroic-1/6-Remnant of Darkness
(649-Hero-1/6-Funhouse Lens
642-Champ3/8-Vexies Pit Whistle) BIS B-tier

After simming with different combos, simming is telling me to replace my funhouse lens (heroic) with the Champ Reverb.
My question is: Should i go with ILVL and replace one of the heroic items that are BIS replacing a lower iLVL or go with my simm suggestion and replace my heroic funhouse with a champ BIS A-tier trinket?

[jagged gust]

champ trinket sounds like an awful vault choice tbh

[lament cloak]

RIGHT!

[jagged gust]

hero track set piece is my choice, especially in the first weeks of a tier

[lament cloak]

ive been putting this off all day.. ran a bountiful and got that funhouse.. resimmed and am still like WTF.. my gut is telling me to choose the shoulders or the legs..

[jagged gust]

yeah with only 1 catalyst and the 4p being a nearly 20% dps increase, even if the individual pieces aren't a huge upgrade

that 4p will be

[prime sphinx]

socket probs

[lament cloak]

Ty william for input

[jagged gust]

https://tenor.com/view/finger-guns-wink-gif-21701559

[sharp olive]

Checked pins,

As we reclimb the ilvl bandwagon and we drop haste to sub 20k, we swap back to shield slam extending shield block yeah?

[jagged gust]

heavy repercussions yeah, at least until 4p

I dropped down to 9k, it's abysmal

[oak ivy]

4p acquired

[willow portal]

man

its been a while since i had so much fun tanking

prot colossus is a blast

[next yacht]

What should i take?

[restive oak]

prolly stein or signet

kinda sucks is 2 min and haste

but it performs decently still

well its gonna be haste if your stats are typical

[prime sphinx]

socket

[restive oak]

i'd heavily advise against socket, they aren't bad

[past torrent]

correct me if wrong but we're sending bomb suit on cd right?

[bleak breach]

Myth rank crit haste sword from vault for me, so can’t complain.

[sullen gust]

Does the catalyst start up next week?

as in the first available sparl

[jagged gust]

You use it when you need mitigation

[frozen berry]

so priority of the sacred flame is massively overtuned with fort holy shit

the paladins damn near 1 shot the entire group with no ccing them

[mild river]

The packs are nasty. There is almost no easy trash over there. I mean, easy mechanics, but too much unavoidable high damage.

[shy yoke]

Its worth to go from 4p to 2p/2p or just wait until I get the new 4p?

[mild river]

I think I've read here that's 2p 2p is the way to go

[pallid quiver]

not even 2p 2p half the time

ilvl alone will beat out S1 tier in most cases

out S1 tier was really bad

[rancid flume]

I just got this one at 649 in the vault (my highest) https://www.wowhead.com/item=218125/reactive-webbed-escutcheon is it any good? Other option is a 632 tier helmet.

[jagged gust]

Im sorry but that's honestly the worst item I have seen since vanilla itemization

[glacial skiff]

was it enduring defense that's not needed anymore after 4 set?

i thought you could change a talent with 4 set but i don't remember which it is

[keen heron]

Would you guys take shield myth (have max crafted shield) or champ legs for faster 4 set?

[jagged gust]

myth shield easily

[sand geode]

i have 4p already

but my should is 629 with my neck

[crimson furnace]

good morning!!

[rancid flume]

Thats what i feared lol. Set item it is. Thanks anyway 😂

[hollow sphinx]

oh wow , fml 😄
Should i go with hands for 2p? i gotta use spark here... dont have a good shield btw

[green trench]

Looking at this for Mythic+ only, Eye of Kezan Normal or Bis boots Myth?

[vague abyss]

eh if i got it correctly, eyes of kezan is awful in m+ because it will drops stacks after combat, it works much better in long fights, like in a raid

so if its only strictly m+ only, then go myth boots

[green trench]

That's what I have read too.

Yes, Strictly m+. I am leaning to that too but whenver I do my "own predictions" Nomeratur goes "U WRONG" 😄

[tall lance]

How to use correctly the priory trinket ? There is an optimal use of it ?

[cold zealot]

mythic shield or do i take my first set piece and basically guarantee my 4 set this week?

[green trench]

isnt galebreaker bis shield?

[cold zealot]

Shield would only get replaced with the dinar whe they come...

[green trench]

Thats EARLIEST 11.1.5

[vague abyss]

yeah i would pick myth shield tbh

[neon elk]

Shield angle , also how do you "guarantee" 4pc this week if this will be your firt

[jagged pier]

not a bad first vault

[cold zealot]

i will almost 100% get one piece in raid bc of how we manage pieces, 2 catalyst + 1 vault = 4

[neon elk]

Well thats not exactly what a guarantee means in my eyes but u do u

[solemn siren]

This one useful? Mainly playing m+ as prot warr

[restive oak]

i mean i didn't read it but no stats so no

i mean you already have reflect and spell block too

[ionic nimbus]

It’s not good

[vague abyss]

i mean, is better than no shield for sure, but there are better ones

[glacial skiff]

i thought our tier set is supposed to be really good?

14% uptime in a key seems meh

[ionic nimbus]

Its not bad, but who said that it’s really good?

[jagged pier]

dont think it was ever said it was really good

[balmy oasis]

Are people using their 2nd catalyst charge this week on hero gear

[ionic nimbus]

Depends on your situation

If your not raiding hc or mythic it’s an option

Otherwise I would wait for raidloot

[balmy oasis]

good point. that really raiding. could pug noormal but idk

not really*

[crisp lagoon]

how does a champion track Titan of Industry compare to a 675 crafted shield?

[vague abyss]

yeah i would really wait if you are in a guild to raid HC

[jagged pier]

worse

[vague abyss]

or just spam 6 level keys for hero gear

[jagged pier]

but then again a myth track shield is better than crafted

[vague abyss]

imho spending a charge in champion gear is a huge waste

[ionic nimbus]

Ilvl is everything on your shield

Gally Shield got nice Dmg procc, but Not worth to loose armor

[vague abyss]

so whats the best spark usage? crafted shield if im a scrub with no acess to myth or lvl 10 keys yet?

[astral stump]

Is this trinket worth taking over tier piece on hero track?

[balmy oasis]

well you could always get this trinket in hero track

But you will postpone ur 4t possibility

by choosing it

[vague abyss]

i would think hero tier is better tbh

[balmy oasis]

same

[paper minnow]

I already have a myth helmet 662 from 1st boss myth which i could catalyze, should i take trinket or still take tier with socket

[chilly brook]

@jagged pier you dps in raid or nah?

Trying to decide if it’s worth it to just send a craft on a shield since I’ll be opening vault as arms for a while

[jagged pier]

i dont and i wouldnt waste your craft yet

[unborn island]

Sadge. I'm guessing I take the trinket because ring is one of our best sources of haste and that ring has none.

At least it means I won't need to farm trinket from priory....

(and yes, I don't have discord on my PC, so it's a phone photo)

[ionic fern]

How is getting Tome a "sadge" moment.

[unborn island]

I don't mythic raid so was hoping for my myth track piece to be the good one 🙂

Tome is at least in principle farmable

[chilly mist]

Is this trinket good or is the lack of stats just bad? It’s either between this or the first set piece for me atm 🤔

[ionic nimbus]

Just keep the myth helmet as it is.. take it as offpiece.. Great stats and mythic set helmet has 0 haste

[hardy snow]

[heavy sparrow]

hey big boys

fellow prot war needs another prot war for Sprocketmonger lockenstock on Heroic if you're down for the kill

[jagged pier]

F

[hardy snow]

other myth track choice is trashmaster back

[jagged pier]

thats not a bad back

listed in our bis gear i think

member that is just top simming when u have it all

[hardy snow]

yea, I know

but why this is so high? due to not enough vers on other items, thus making it goood in the end?

[copper bane]

Guys just got Modular Platinum Plating on my mythic +10 vault, I read up that its a shitty trinket but its my only mythic item for now, should I get it?

[jagged pier]

but myth cape on week 1 is kinda monka

[neon elk]

Tbf i would rather take socket than myt trinket i wont use . U may use it for future as "free upgrade" once u get another, but still ...

[copper bane]

I got the pacemaker from my other vault slot... but it just feels bad picking something that is "farmable", should I go with socket?

I even have hero 1/6 chest from my delves, maybe that is worth a pick for the tier bonus

[lyric galleon]

Besides Logs, what Information can i look at in Details if i did well tanking?

[jagged pier]

details doesnt really tell u anything for that

[hollow sphinx]

no access to mythic right now. prolly next week, upgrading or crafting a shield?

[chrome falcon]

one of the worst trinkets ever put into the game before the buff, i can't imagine the buff helped much

take the tier

[deft raptor]

2p>4p

[waxen frigate]

absolute dogshit

[chilly mist]

Cheers for saving me from the noobtrap trinket boys 💪🏻

[pearl fog]

guess I'll catalyse the pants

[ionic nimbus]

Really not happy to have the 2 ToP trinkets back. Additionally we have mechagon and Rookery trinket. Thats a proper big yikes for vaults…

And don’t forget big red button..

[spiral mirage]

Best think to craft first is shield, right?

[floral otter]

I did 1h wep so naturally I had one in the vault. I think 1h wep is biggest for dps.

[errant coral]

Eye of Kezan any good? Just got it from a chest

[onyx pike]

prot not looking so bad after all right?

[jagged pier]

our best trinket

[jagged pier]

always was fine after the second set of changes from the ptr

[onyx pike]

Mastery?

[errant coral]

Lucky me then? Lol

Yeah

Mastery

[onyx pike]

well it procs main stat so .. i guess

[jagged pier]

the effect is good and we still want mastery

[errant coral]

Thanks for the help

I'm a returning player, it sais its "champion"?

[jagged pier]

thats just what track its on

[errant coral]

I see.

[sharp gale]

items are separated in tracks, a minimum ilvl 1/8 and a max ilvl 8/8

[unborn island]

Crafting time ladies and gentlemen, shield incoming. I appreciate this guarantees I'll get one next week, but heyo 🙂

[ionic nimbus]

Mastery is not a bad stat for us. Think back to BfA, where this Bastion of Might Azerite Essence buffed hell a lot of mastery during Avatar. Big Mastery = Big Flat DPS increase

Mastery is just not covering our weak Spots, that’s why we dont want to Stack it on our gear. Big trinkets with mastery are fine

[umbral falcon]

anyone know if the 2set dmg reduction from nerubar tier is better than upgrading to non-tier 645 items?

tier is 639

[ionic nimbus]

Just take s2 items

Last Tier is not worth to hold

[umbral falcon]

thanks

[ionic nimbus]

Spam keys to collect Hero pieces and your good

[oak ivy]

I regret signing up to be permaball on stix, my parses will never recover from this decision

[jagged pier]

just share it

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/g8HB8oK.png

this is...

awful

[errant coral]

Guessing you need to be a blacksmith to craft this? Im desperate for a new shield lol

[strong forum]

like ill take house of cards but...

where THE FUCK

is my tierset

[shy python]

Do 2000 M+ Rating this will give you at least 2p.😬

[strong forum]

im like 2.6

but i aint gonna catalyse for 2pc

only catalyse for 4pc

i need 1 item from raid

and i can get 4pc

getting non-myth tierset is so aids

[ionic nimbus]

Feelsbadman

Atleast HoC, the rest sounds like socket

[strong forum]

ye

[ionic nimbus]

Got a mythic non set head. Atleast a good item for Catalyst. Rest was totally awfull or hero shit…

[sacred badge]

i took ToP ring out of my vault this week which I guess I can't complain about too much. insanely good stats

[fallow plinth]

Any recommendations?or I just take tokens

[ionic nimbus]

Gally Trinket would be my choice there

[round pendant]

pugs were barely managing +7s so I didn't do a single +10 week 1

so sad

I wish my friends actually showed up like they said they would

[onyx pike]

Never trust in assistance.

[round pendant]

my vault is fuckin awful too

[topaz latch]

i have set up an A team and a B team. the B team is actually better but theyre so unreliable lol.

[round pendant]

still haven't dropped a single weapon

[round pendant]

yeah I only have like 3 friends who play wow so

[topaz latch]

ah alright, my b

[void oak]

whats the best item to craft?

[topaz latch]

shield

[void oak]

also if i got a 658?

[topaz latch]

mhmm, prolly follow the wowhead priority list if you already got a good shield. what shield is it?

[void oak]

crit haste one

[topaz latch]

how often do you mythic raid or do 10's?

[void oak]

10 s i will start this week

and i dont have a guild:)

[topaz latch]

personally i stuck with crafted shield despite having a heroic shield, because ill soon be able to recraft it into mythic quality, and i dont think ill be getting a mythic gally kill any time soon.

[oak ivy]

same

[round pendant]

shield is the biggest impact

per ilvl

armor is op

since I don't care I just craft shield + weapon and then switch my loot prio to dps for the rest of the season

[oak ivy]

feels so weird that armor is both an offensive and defensive stat rn since it feeds into Strength

[topaz latch]

its a wild feedback effect that really makes shields strong

[lyric fern]

Got my first 10 of the season done yesterday, DFC

The creepers are probably the single scariest mob to fight

In like any dungeon

[topaz latch]

those the stacking debuff shadow snakes?

[lyric fern]

Yeah

Even when they don't eat other adds if your group doesn't kill them quick the dot just gets out of control

I have found however that if you reflect right as the debuff timer hits 1s you can actually delay it long enough for it to fall off sometimes

[topaz latch]

i just continously press more defensives until i am victorious.

[lyric fern]

So real

[plush tendon]

when I was playing VDH I pulled like four creepers at the end

I just ended up leaping back forth XD

[topaz latch]

NOOOOOO

[plush tendon]

dem stacks huuuuurt

but aint no one got time to be carful

[topaz latch]

NEVER GO FULL CREEPER

[plush tendon]

[strong forum]

id take the reverb radio or socket

that gally trinket is only normal

[plush tendon]

socket or spark

[topaz latch]

no spark dis week

[plush tendon]

but you can buy spark?

[strong forum]

oh true

[plush tendon]

right

[strong forum]

can buy spark

[plush tendon]

[topaz latch]

damn, whats wrong with my token vendor

[strong forum]

wait

wtf

they removed spark

only socket

[plush tendon]

did they remove spark from vendor

[strong forum]

ye

[topaz latch]

there wasnt suppose to be a purchaseable spark this week

did i fuggin miss out!!!

[plush tendon]

damn, thats dumb AF

big Ion L

[lyric fern]

Honestly tho that makes sense

Cause I feel like having a second mythic crafted item this early is just too good

[plush tendon]

tell that to 2H str users

getting gapped by my VDH off tank cause he has a sexy 676 weppie

and ya boi is stuck with 658

[oak ivy]

Meanwhile fury

[plush tendon]

they can play SMF

they fiiiiine

[oak ivy]

[plush tendon]

also doesnt help first 2h is off the trash boss

which, if streams are anything to go by, aint just falling over week 2/3

[strong forum]

big tank main here ama

[oak ivy]

not a fan of that one

[strong forum]

i am

[oak ivy]

uptime feels weirdge

prefer pacemaker / bombsuit

bombsuit only cuz im a nub n need safety net sometimes

[strong forum]

i like it for the haste

[plush tendon]

bombsuit is cool; was nice on my DK for week 1 key pushing

but for sure dropping it once I get a bit more I level

[oak ivy]

Fair yeah, if you dip though it turns into a really weak tank trink

[plush tendon]

but 10s at 640 was still spicey

[oak ivy]

truuuuu

[strong forum]

its more dmg than bombsuit

therefor i like it

[oak ivy]

the bar is kinda on the floor for that one I feel

W nome

[strong forum]

exactly

[oak ivy]

I should be cramming not yapping we have a test in 34 min

[waxen frigate]

It’s free 3k haste on 30% uptime

[karmic plinth]

its nice to have a trinket that gives u stats if u dont dip or a shield if u do

[waxen frigate]

It gives you stats regardless

[karmic plinth]

better than a shield + stats if u dip

[waxen frigate]

And the shield is dogshit on the Scrapfield

But the haste makes it worthwhile

[strong forum]

and IF you need teh absorb

its there

20sec cd

on 1mil

is not terrible

[karmic plinth]

yer its not nothing

[strong forum]

cuz it comes with mainstat

[oak ivy]

isn't that like 2/3 of a colo IP cast

[waxen frigate]

30sec but yeah

It’s genuinely a solid trinket

[strong forum]

yeah but for free

[oak ivy]

fair

[waxen frigate]

Not implemented in sims though

[plush tendon]

lots of cool trinkets this tier

[strong forum]

on a mainstat trinket that also grants secondary stats

[plush tendon]

at least, better then last tier

was basically, Sacbrood +whatever other poop you got

[waxen frigate]

This tier’s trinkets are very weak idk

[oak ivy]

I'm not knocking it by any means, I just pref bombsuit rn cuz sometimes I fuck up bad and it makes a good bandaid

[plush tendon]

I like options

[waxen frigate]

There’s some more unique ones but they’re less impactful

[strong forum]

?

theyre GENERALLY better than last tier

[oak ivy]

what

[strong forum]

by a landslide

[waxen frigate]

Low bar

[plush tendon]

I mean, theres no Spymasters

[waxen frigate]

Trinkets this xpac been lame as fuck

[strong forum]

well yeah

[plush tendon]

I miss dreadplates

[waxen frigate]

Give me aegis and cache

[plush tendon]

[oak ivy]

Aegis was fucking sick

[waxen frigate]

I want to blast

[plush tendon]

and Boon

where my Boon blizz

[waxen frigate]

cache went brrr

[plush tendon]

ewwwww

brewmaster

yuck

[oak ivy]

I didn't actually play war until S1 DF

[waxen frigate]

i don't actually play warr

[oak ivy]

big FoTM reroller before that until my raid lead got mad at me and made me commit to a class

BDK S3/4 SL was so fuckin fun to me just cuz huge number

[strong forum]

love still being a 1pc gamer

[waxen frigate]

skill issue

[plush tendon]

imagine not getting fed all the zenith tier in your alt raid

couldnt be me

[waxen frigate]

we started vendoring zenith last night