protection

[strong forum]

update your WA addon

[sharp gale]

CkEAO9DBjZzKcjSu6RJDto0RCKzAAAAwMzMzMjZMz2MLzwsgxY0Y2GzwMLghtZmxMDzwAAAAAAAmZAALLLAMYbbGzyyyoZmhZYZWaY2A

The Button
/cast Charge
/cast Avatar
/cast Pummel
/cast Taunt
/cast Last Stand
/cast Shield Wall
/castsequence reset=alt Shield Slam, Revenge, Thunder Clap, Ignore Pain, Shield Block, Demoralizing Shout, Shockwave

[supple meadow]

Does this actually work?

[mighty valley]

Did you drop haste while gearing up

Or switch to itf when you used to run hr

[sharp gale]

Don't

[supple meadow]

I'm gonna

[pallid quiver]

All Prot War The Button keys when?

[sharp gale]

(i forgot to switch to aegis / still has IW)

basically you press ALT when you have a shield slam reset

if you need shield block you keep pressing until you have it

[supple meadow]

I'm definitely gonna test this

[sharp gale]

i managed to do a 10 last season with it

but 640 ilvl

[supple meadow]

Lmao

[sharp gale]

you need a key where you don't need to kick (i couldn't do mist with it for example)

[lyric fern]

whew

[toxic pewter]

Anyone know how the first trash packs in dark flame cleft work? Like I guess the big dude knocks the small dudes back?

Anyone have any tips how they pull that hall until first boss

[lyric fern]

little dudes fixate on one player
minecarts knock them

[toxic pewter]

No not the boss

[sharp gale]

so when you go out of big circle, dont go out in other mobs/next pack directions

[toxic pewter]

The packs leading up to the boss

[sharp gale]

since the trash follow you

[toxic pewter]

Ok

So I guess run backward the direction I came from with the mobs

Sort of

Do you pull both sides of that hallway

[sharp gale]

let me log i do one side (with the first dude)

i do that

[toxic pewter]

Ok cool

I will start doing that

Thank you. I guess I was trying to like keep left and not pull right side but shit went down and it all pulls anyway

[sharp gale]

you can chain pull 3 with the next (chain pull on all tbh depends on kicks/heal)

[toxic pewter]

Ok

My bad positioning messed me up in there

[small steeple]

will do

just solo'd last boss of priory with my healer

fucking stupid ass

[mighty valley]

holy shit the gamma on this pic is outta control

[small steeple]

my hdr doesn't like the snipping tool

[strong forum]

thats normal with HDR on

[small steeple]

kinda annoying at times but i did pay for it so im gonna use it

[urban portal]

Flash bang

[urban portal]

HDR doesn’t work with night mode

[small steeple]

is that what it is???

[urban portal]

No just a separate comment

HDR with night mode makes your screen all red

And I have to use night mode

So my eyes don’t explode

[small steeple]

oh that night mode

yeah

[urban portal]

So I have a 800 dollar monitor with hdr that I never use

[small steeple]

pain

[strong forum]

ive never had HDR

whats the benefit

[small steeple]

better picture quality with more colors and better contrast

[dense remnant]

And a nice way to get frustrated if things don't play nice from the box

And then you learn to just not use HDR

[tribal wharf]

as a meme answer

its literally (not really) more brightness

yes but no

the only thing you give a fuck about is resolution, o-led and HZ

[small steeple]

nah, hdr monitors striaght up have higher nit

[dense remnant]

Unless you're a big visual enthusiast/nerd, you don't rly care esp in gaming

[tribal wharf]

HDR is for movie dorks and phot editors

there i say it

[dense remnant]

On big ass tvs for movies with lights off I can see it being nice, but for gaming on a monitor in a lit room

Yeah no

[tribal wharf]

gaming room + lit , lol

[small steeple]

I mean, I get that, but it really does look great when playing immersive rpgs and stuff

[dense remnant]

I genuinely have no clue what you mean by this, I assume it's some kind of stereotype?

[small steeple]

gaming in a lit room

[tribal wharf]

you have to have o-led if you want to get a really good retro on a flatpanel

[dense remnant]

Ppl don't have lights on in their homes?

[tribal wharf]

im joking about how the average gaming room is like, a total dungeon

with no lights on ever

[dense remnant]

I'm quite sure that's so far from the average gaming room nowadays

[small steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/mrw-reaction-old-gamer-nerd-moms-basement-gif-4994401

[tribal wharf]

you would be surprised i think

[dense remnant]

By what exactly? The demographic of gamers nowadays?

Surely the average age of a "gamer" has gone up drastically in the last 20 years

[tribal wharf]

not the type of lighting i figured

but thats dark enough room i think

[dense remnant]

That's close to googling "home theater room" and then saying that it's the average experience of ppl who watch movies

Not the same, but you get the point

The average gamer does not have a whole ass room dedicated just for gaming

[small steeple]

thats why its a meme/joke i thought

[dense remnant]

It's a decent enough meme or joke, but it's such an outdated one

[tribal wharf]

yep, cuz its like i know / knew tons that gamed in like, dungeons basically

some basement

[feral zealot]

What information is available for the embellishments?

Hello btw

[tribal wharf]

this image is infamous

[mighty valley]

this is a guy who primarily posts about doom (original), I wouldn’t dwell on his jokes

[tribal wharf]

eh no

it was a bunch of failed attempts to explain LOS

things that work the same (or better) than in (game)

doom comes out 1993 by a bunch of nobody nerds, still fun to this day, out lives basically everything, its kinda nuts

[untold bane]

what does Trashmanter's Mantle 's passive do? "Don the mantle of the Trashmaster"?

[strong forum]

you get the title

[echo drift]

anyone have a weakaura for tracking when the tier set buff procs?

[kind urchin]

I got the bracers from mechagon.

[stiff gate]

is tome good for us? i have it, pacemaker, and ritual mud and not sure which 2 for keys

[strong forum]

tome is bis

[stiff gate]

sick

[small steeple]

this links to m+ col build btw

@strong forum

[strong forum]

fixed

[long bronze]

nothing to see here blizz

[small steeple]

nothin besides the priest nopt having a good time

[long bronze]

wym priest was tanking

top 3 are dps specs

[strong forum]

https://gyazo.com/abc4f84d09a9ab5f996a3593a568aae1

dont worry guys

[atomic current]

Are you guys pumping in raid? I am noticing I am doing 300k more than the co tank and sometimes more than our bottom dps. One fight I finished at 777k

[strong forum]

not sure if troll or not

[prime sphinx]

he means trolling as in 777k is lacking

[atomic current]

Oh, gotcha. New to prot. I'll work on the numbers.

[cyan bronze]

everyone’s dmg could be alooooot higher there

besides bear

shoutout to him

he’s doing his best

[strong forum]

nothing wrong with being new

just caught me off guard

[near walrus]

im still dumping way too much rage in TC and IP instead of revenge but i will get there eventually

[atomic current]

Haha yeah, the raid leaders are aware of it

[mighty valley]

your cotank is doing 5th percentile damage

[near walrus]

between mechano-core Amplifier and remnant of darkness, which one would you choose ?

[mighty valley]

you’re on the right track, your cotank is lost in the woods

[atomic current]

Yeah, he's always doing that low of dps. We're not sure why

[mighty valley]

He’s either not aware of the rotation, pretty bad at the fundamentals of positioning for uptime etc, or his internet connection is from 1994

Probably just need to send a log to the relevant discord for tips

[atomic current]

We all think he's watching TV while raiding. He's always not listening when we tell him to move out of shit

[mighty valley]

Is he someone’s friend

[atomic current]

Yeah, the raid leader. They already ask if he would switch to dps and he said no

[mighty valley]

Yeah if the raid leader’s not interested in him improving and the guy is just there to hang out then there’s probably not much that can be done

[cyan bronze]

LOL

rl tank

bad dmg

tale as old as time

[atomic current]

Lol yeah, kind of screwed right now

[cyan bronze]

honestly idk how u can play tank and not only care abt dmg

like

tank fights r rarely ever challenging

[atomic current]

I agree. No idea why his dps is always low. Only thing we can think of is he's not pressing buttons.

[cyan bronze]

prob

[torn gulch]

damn the scoring is still fully messed up

[chilly brook]

I mean it literally is though? Highlights do get brighter than on SDR

[cerulean burrow]

whats the best way to use tome of lights devotion the trinket from priory?

ah just read the tooltip on the wowhead guide

[chrome falcon]

do we think blizz is having second thoughts about that 20% blanket damage buff to tanks

[cerulean tusk]

Why would they?

[urban portal]

If it gets more people to play tank

Then it’s good

[chrome falcon]

im not mad

i love topping damage on first boss of theatre

but blizz seems pretty indecisive about what they want tanks to do

[urban portal]

Maybe they saw that tank enjoyment was an all time low

So they giga buffed tanks to encourage more players

[waxen frigate]

Wdym

Brewmaster only got 15

[urban portal]

Did you find yourself a warrior huzz

[urban portal]

[waxen frigate]

No but I made something that will attract them

[cerulean tusk]

I will just say this; if tanks didnt have DPS that was impactful on completing the key on time and being able to carry the slack of others... I would not be playing tank

It is already a headache herding cats. At least let me have the oppertunity to carry them by the scruff over the finishing line by force.

[round cliff]

can you spell block rik

[next pasture]

should i swap that raid trinket for the earthen ally one?

[sudden lynx]

Man I've swapped to colossus to test it in (only been playing m0's for now though) and it feels pretty good even though I dont have 4-piece yet

Definitely not quite as straight-forward as thane but 10-stack demolish feels real nice to hit

[small steeple]

go

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[sudden lynx]

Or at least I've not played it enough for it to be straight-forward yet

[sudden lynx]

Pretty much yeah hahahah

Good that it's a button that feels nice again, really dislike hitting it in MT

Is there any way to get tier faster? The ways I know of are vault RNG once a week, raid RNG once a week, and catalyst

Google says no but I'm praying it's wrong since I don't really raid

[sharp gale]

You listed every source of tier sets

[toxic pewter]

do crests from end of dungeons get mailed if i couldnt loot chest

oh wait theyre not in the chest

[sudden lynx]

gg

[sharp gale]

You get crests before yes

[toxic pewter]

ya sweet

[sharp gale]

I just did my first dungeon on my war

Brrrrrrrrrr

Almost 2 m overall and idk fully col yet lol

[wooden widget]

what percent haste do i want for into theffray in dungeons?

[sudden lynx]

I think you want like 20k haste or something? Could be old info though

[wooden widget]

yeah shoot i just dropped my old neck

[sudden lynx]

I swapped earlier and it was fine (but I've only done m0 so far)

[wooden widget]

and im afraid im about to drop shield blocks

[sudden lynx]

You could run bolster if you really want ITF

That might be kind of forcing it though

[wooden widget]

yeah i think ill be ok

ill report back after this 11

[sudden lynx]

Yurrr

[sudden lynx]

I'm going to bed but @ me after lol I'm curious about the results

[wooden widget]

will do

[toxic pewter]

u guys use ur catalyst charges yet

[sharp gale]

Nop (on bdk/my raid main this tier) I didn’t use any charge

I filled 3 vault slots of 10s without it

You don’t know what will drop in your vault / if tier, which slot / if no tier but can be catalysted as one you need the charge

[wooden widget]

i forgot about xalatath affix this week is cranking haste

im gonna have to test more next week

but the 11 was fine with 17k haste

itf

[toxic pewter]

Dang nice. What ilvl is that in that like myth track 3/6 or wat

[sharp gale]

662 I think

[stark onyx]

Are we back to Thane for M+?

I see a lot fo the top r.io Prot Warriors running Thane again

[next pasture]

probably to eek out more survivability

[stark onyx]

Haste/Crit or Haste/Vers?

[chilly brook]

LETS GOOOOOO

655 tome with leachhhhhh

[toxic pewter]

Grats

I see bunch of people crafted 1h weapon with ascendance wat u guys think

[chilly brook]

Pre m+ nerf hotfix earlier this week I was messing with thane vs colo in 10s and it felt like I had more control but there’s so many factors to that. While Colo is very tanky now I think you’re still more likely to run into issues where you’ve starved yourself as opposed to thane, and as keys get more difficult consistency starts to matter

[round cliff]

i an so crest capped it hurts bros

help

[mortal cypress]

spend em on shit

[round cliff]

theyre all gone!

i cant get any more!

[mortal cypress]

nice then

i do my casual wow stuff then i just play other games

[lusty karma]

Question, do i drop 4pc old tier for 60 ilvl (gloves/chest 649 is 60 ilevel between), was looking for the "when to swap" section in the guide

[mortal cypress]

what do your sims say

60 ilevel is huge

[lusty karma]

let me sim without keeping tier

[mortal cypress]

just set min tier to 0

[lusty karma]

yeah it's a pretty big jump

i thought wowhead guide had a "when to swap tier" section but coudln't find it, will just swap

ty @mortal cypress

[rose karma]

guys whats the strat for the coridor creepers in the end of DC, that dot rips me apart at high stacks

[lusty karma]

other than move them away from dead bodies?

idk

[rose karma]

you need to move thema way from dead bodies?

well dam

[hearty terrace]

Hey for “add” fights what do we drop to pick up Ravger in the execute bulid

[chilly brook]

in add fights just don't run ravager

[shy python]

You can easily drop the +2 sec Shield Block talent and put the point into Bloodsurge. This helps alot with rage gen.

[chilly brook]

man how much haste you think I got?

[shy python]

30-40% infight?

[hearty terrace]

What do you run? For the extra AOE? Do you really just run Excute build and that's it?

[chilly brook]

I'm chilling at just shy of 17k haste without consumes

I need that extra shield block

[chilly brook]

the raid build, you don't even run ravager in M+ when you get 4 set

[shy python]

I got only 14k and don't need it. With 4p we will not need it at all

[chilly swallow]

is tome of lights devo any good for prot kinda new to pwarrior.

[cyan bronze]

yes

[chilly swallow]

yeah my buddy was reading the wrong bis lol

i noticed its got a big ass magic dmg shield hellanice. im used to playing bdk lol

[chilly brook]

then you 100% have block gaps in a key

[urban portal]

I mean if you go do some piss keys

You can take a couple backshots no problem

[shy python]

I too got the Last Stand block talent and it seems to be fine.

[urban portal]

I like how we drop a better shield block talent to run a worse one

Truly cinema

[chilly brook]

bruh

just bruh

[chilly brook]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-17729711691959966457

[shy python]

Yeah yeah I know. Tell me your minmax shit 😄

[chilly brook]

But why invest a talent there when you could have just put it in Eduring Defenses....

[urban portal]

This is not even min max

This is just running a worse talent

Do you want 20 seconds of shield block or 15 seconds of shield block

[shy python]

Because of more Last Stand?

[urban portal]

Last stand is not a good defensive lol

Worse than shield block that’s for sure

Have you thought of the fact that you need more last stand is due to your less shield block uptime

[chilly brook]

last stand not great

[shy python]

It doesn't matter why I need more Last Stand.
If I can get 100% SB uptime with one talent point and have the choice of 'just 100% uptime' and '100% uptime AND more Last Stand' it is obvious which is better.

[chilly brook]

uhhh

is it?

[urban portal]

He’s got a secret hack to get 100% uptime with no hr no ed

[chilly brook]

how often are you pressing last stand lmao

[urban portal]

That no one’s thought of

[ebon sandal]

This prot warrior dmg

[urban portal]

This is a screenshot of all time

[mint mantle]

stix? ball?

[ebon sandal]

RWF

[mint mantle]

which boss

[prisma crane]

trashman

[mint mantle]

yeah

if you drive with the ball into boss you do that dmg

[jagged pier]

giga

[prisma crane]

damn nice

[late hawk]

as colossus, is there a general number for when it is better to revenge even when 1 or more enemies are executable?

[prisma crane]

3 targets i'd assume

[late hawk]

i was thinking the same, for the stack procs on revenge

[idle copper]

If you mean the very end bit just before last boss if you go down the middle and then turn left but use the right side of that left turn you'll just pull one.

Getting the DPS to not ass pull another one (or 2 is another matter)

It can be managed with lay on hands, paladin sacfrice and probably other stuff 99% won't use.

The debuff drops off after 5 seconds of being out of range

[late hawk]

i think pres evoker has something that was really helping with it too

[prisma crane]

they can remove bleed once per min

[main walrus]

i try to do max % to not do those creepers before last boss, absolutely destroy me

[idle copper]

This essentially but DPS do DPS things

[main walrus]

do dwarf racial remove that ?

does *

[idle copper]

I don't get an alert on my dark iron dwarf and it tells me everything else when I can remove

[winter marlin]

If Evoker can remove it then Dwarf racial also should.

[idle copper]

Pretty sure it's not a bleed

[winter marlin]

Ah, yeah if it’s a curse ur fucked

[idle copper]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=469620/creeping-shadow

Anything outside of Paladin Sacrifice that will help?

[languid sorrel]

Hi all what's a good ilevel for a tank to start mythics this season

[idle copper]

If I remember I say at the beginning not to (ass) pull X2 creepers otherwise I'm dead

[idle copper]

Looks like it's magic dispell able, just doesn't happen in the vast majority of the pugs I've been in

[winter marlin]

Yeah I was about to say it’s still not clear; I googled it and came up with nothing.

You’d figure if it were magic it would get dispelled by someone eventually tho lol, just check the border around the debuff next time you run into it. Blue = magic purple = curse red = bleed

[idle copper]

If someone's on a healer discord can they post a question in there please?

[unborn island]

How come the mechagon cloak is BIS? Is the on-equip effect amazing or something?

[oak ivy]

Is our 4p's Crit bonus to shield slam Additive or Multiplicative?
like 20% Crit *1.75=35% crit chance or 20%Crit + 75%=95% Crit chance

[errant ledge]

Is there a reason prot warrior still hasnt gotten updated on bloodmallet but every other class has?

[oak ivy]

it's not, just gotta leap/kite/have dps that love you enough to send cooldowns into thode mobs

[tulip birch]

also they get buffed when the small ones die, if u kite the elite out of the pool before it goes u can prevent it from getting buffed, holding a candle and kiting around the ring has worked to give more space for some of my keys

[oak ivy]

⤴️

[idle copper]

Candles a good idea

[tulip birch]

Hey question for the rest of yall, i keep seeing Crit stacking prot warriors, i understand they want to do as much damage as possible with parry resetting Revenge, but Parry stacking when you can easily keep block at 100% uptime seems like ur triple dipping into physical mitigation, our base armor is as high as a DH in Meta (no spikes), is there something im missing or prot war just so meaty ppl just ignore defensive to go for dps parces?

[idle copper]

There must be something other than paladin Sacrifice that helps. Tanked 2 on one run and my hp didn't flinch once I had pointed out what had killed me

[tulip birch]

oh they arnt that bad, let debuff fall off tho i chain pulled 1 into a pack of 2 and actually had to shield wall for once in my life... still 3 boxed

[prisma crane]

why the hell does prot bloodmallet still show S1?

i saw someone else link S2, am i missing something?

[oak ivy]

Not entirely sure what the intent here is but Crit is a very good stat both offensively and defensively, and SS gets a buff from having SB rolling so "parse" gameplay really wouldn't even be losing much defensive performance unless one is running a psycho talent setup

[karmic plinth]

as colossus u get more demo cdr with higher crit

[tulip birch]

based on synergies i feel crit is prots worst stat, thats where my confusion is, Verse is damage, DR, double scaling on absorbs, Mastery is damage, DR via crit blocks (also applies to spells and aoe via spellblock) granted only 33% uptime, and buffs ur ignore pain via attack power, Crit resets revenge which procs more SS, Keeps wildstrikes up which hels proc SS, Buffs parry and does damage via crits. but its only damage reduce is for phsical attacks where the other stats affect magic damage which we are weakest against... actually our weakest is dots but only verse gets tht.

[tardy abyss]

Vers is not nearly as good as you think it is

[tulip birch]

but a crit build plays into crushing force and the other crit scaling offensie buffs

[jagged pier]

No if u parry something u take no damage so your IP effects magic more

[tardy abyss]

You need a lot of vers for it to do anything. Also, a lot of the damage income is physical damage, where parry does a lot of work

[tulip birch]

i get parry being strong for DH and DK but WARRIOR?

[karmic plinth]

parry is still strong for warrior

[jagged pier]

And in m+ pulls parries dont become rng they will just happen

[karmic plinth]

having a 30% chance to take 0 damage is still strong even with our mitigation

we dont live or die by it

[jagged pier]

In terms of total damage taken if you go crit over vers you are more likely to just take more damage

[tulip birch]

my base armor reduces physical by 57% my blocks reduce it another 44% and if it crit blocks its 85%... quick math puts tht at 7% before crit is a factor or ignore pain

oh i agree taking 0 damage is great and all... but the other side of the coin is magic damage and dots

[tardy abyss]

Its not like we are really bad vs magic damage tho

[jagged pier]

Which your Ip will be more efective against

If u take no damage from physical sources

U can also

Parry bleeds

[tulip birch]

i already take no damage from physical sources im a prot warrior

[jagged pier]

And some dot applications

If they apply viva melees

[tulip birch]

how many of those are there in 11.1?

[jagged pier]

More than you think

Cant tell you off the top of me head but would have to dig through logs

[tardy abyss]

Motherlode miniboss before 2nd boss, creepers in darkflame

Are the only ones I can think of right now

[karmic plinth]

u will gain more from investing crit than u will gain from investing vers or mastery

[jagged pier]

U also have to gain more stats for a 1% vers than any other stat

[tulip birch]

thats what im asking, i have reviewed logs and that doesnt hold water

[tardy abyss]

Not like tankiness is an actual topic right now

[jagged pier]

I dont know what logs ypur looking at so cant say

[tulip birch]

ok so the crit build is for dps

[tardy abyss]

You can play 10+ and still spam revenge most of the time cuz theres no damage

[karmic plinth]

crit build is for both

[tulip birch]

tht checks out! the crit builds are always top meters for logs

thts the pattern i noticed

[karmic plinth]

its top meters because its the best for damage but u arent losing anything defensively

[jagged pier]

Look if u want to run vers run vers no ones stopping you

It will make no differencd tbh

[tulip birch]

the way i view logs btw is damage taken, click the EHRPS tab to see how much ur healer carried and try to see what % u stay above

[jagged pier]

Expect you will have less interaction with tier set

So your not looking for parries then

[tulip birch]

i run 15% crit to sustain wildstrikes

my parry chance is 20%

[jagged pier]

Your just looking and ehhrps thats literally not great cause lots of think effect it

[tardy abyss]

^

[tulip birch]

im looking at damage taken, to see how much i mitigated

the mitigation tab

[jagged pier]

But you like not going to certain fights in a dungeon where parry can work and look at are u parring or not is my point

So saying ive reviewed logs for parries

Is incorrect

[tulip birch]

no i reviewed logs broadly

[jagged pier]

Your looks at total parries not if specfitic things can be oarried

[tulip birch]

exactly

[jagged pier]

So your statement of it doesnt work on these thing is false?

Because you havent checked

Looks if u want to run vers and it makes u feel good run it

We arent stopping you

Theres not much difference between to 2

[tardy abyss]

Some high rio dudes did that last season even

But not like it matters

They all also ran BSV without needing it

[jagged pier]

Its not going to make or break a key ither way you still wont die running ither

[zealous coral]

hnghhh the luck this week has been good

[jagged pier]

Just woth one you will do less damage and interact with the tier set less

[jagged pier]

I understand if you doing 12+

But ive seen ppl running it in 10s

[tulip birch]

it buffs 75%, i run a base 15% so ill take my 90% chance to crit and think if it will be fine

[jagged pier]

Less SS crots overall less SCs less block uptime

[oak ivy]

you can fucking what

im a crit enjoyer for life goodbye vers

[jagged pier]

Yes depends on the bleed

But majority of the small ones u can

Take siege last season those mobs at the start can oarry that

[oak ivy]

Corridor Creeper?

[tardy abyss]

I think Im running around with like 28% crit or so

[jagged pier]

Swaring blows in df u could parry that

[jagged pier]

Most likely

[oak ivy]

sick.

[tardy abyss]

Gotta do 2.5M dps somehow

[jagged pier]

Between the chance they dont apply it and crit i didnt get a stack once last night or just got really lucky

Cant tell yah didnt look at logs

[oak ivy]

i think my pb do far in tankermen is 1.7 and i went full monkey that dungeon and did not ever rip demolish just full sent revenge on global

[tulip birch]

u can parry the application of physical attack based dots

[oak ivy]

so... all of the problem ones this season? goated.

[tulip birch]

in recent patches they have made some tank mechanics bypass parry to prevent overscaling of classes tht have parry buffs in their kit being overplayed

[jagged pier]

I will also say this for crit it can just legit save you with a bit of luck i linked jt a while ago but on queen i tanked the boss with the 200% increased damage thing at the end and parried 3-4 melee hits i would have been dead with vers, still rng but being at like 30% crit let me role more likely than if i was lower

I dunno i have like 4% vers right now

And i take no damage

[tulip birch]

i mean my war was 624 and he survived that, he has 46% mastery at that time

he survived liquid into feast.

[jagged pier]

I dont think ive been over 10 the entire expansion

[tulip birch]

crit block is stupid strong

[jagged pier]

What difficutly?

[tulip birch]

H

[jagged pier]

Yer im talking mythic

Hc u can do what ever

[tulip birch]

Mythic hit a little too hard to take both, i could only take the autos for my mythic pulls

[jagged pier]

U cant take both on mythica

[tulip birch]

i cant take feast no, that is correct

[jagged pier]

And u are talking about a diffferent part of the fight than i am

[tulip birch]

AHHHH yeah we never made it to devours for M queen

just a P1 guild for M queen

but i appreciate the dialogue, just to verify crit only helps parry, revenge resets, wild strikes, and now the 4 set

[tardy abyss]

only lmao

[karmic plinth]

to be fair shield block only helps against blockable hits, spell blockable hits and shield slam damage

[jagged pier]

Well through parry is helps with dot and amgic mitigation because its not being reduced by physical damage

[bold turret]

Is dropping circet just a sim yourself angle?

[jagged pier]

Yes

[bold turret]

Cheers

[winter marlin]

Idk if anyone pointed this out yet but perhaps BoSpellWarding

thats still a thing isn't it

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=204018/blessing-of-spellwarding
"This spell does not purge damage over time effects. Magical DoTs of any type (curse, disease, magic, poison) will remain on the target as normal, and begin to deal damage again once the blessing expires."

[idle copper]

Yep

[idle copper]

Was probably that, thank you

[open halo]

Has anyone done the numbers on taking Immovable Object instead of Unstoppable Force when you have the 2 set?

[sharp gale]

You guys take UF as col? Or it’s a thane question ?

[strong forum]

2 set doesn't proc IO

But colossus takes IO by default anyway, and thane is HARD trolling not to play UF

[hardy snow]

cant parry it, its magic dot, but spellblock doesnt work for it either :v

[jagged pier]

Its a chance on melees tho, if u dont get meleed by it it might not stack it but as i said i havent checked logs myself

[hardy snow]

oh right, I've forgot its applied via melee, just checked some logs, looks like indeed parrying stops applying debuff

[jagged pier]

[solar gorge]

it does feel that way but you cant block em all so it hurts anyway

[open halo]

didn't know if it proc'd or not

tyvm for the answer

[left meteor]

You can also Reflect Corridor Creeper

And it resets the dot every time

If you're fighting one

That is

[tulip oar]

Good to know

[broken cove]

hows peoples breakdown looking?

[strong forum]

big

[waxen frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/buff-correll-dance-gif-14662260555785023088

like this

[broken cove]

was actually asking

cause my friend has revenge far on top, i have demolish on top with revenge slight behind

[strong forum]

revenge should be WAY on top

[broken cove]

maybe im prioring having ignore pain on

[kind urchin]

Use more revenge and less ignore pain

[untold bane]

where can i see s2 delves loot table?

[broken cove]

I suppose you Execute over Revenge in st, but what about 2 or 3 targets, where a target is 20%?
Also do you just never use Shield Slam in packs, unless you need the rage?

[sacred badge]

believe you press shield slam off CD regardless of pack size if you are colossus - i meanits also probably true in thane i just have not played it this patch

[broken cove]

thane is just shield slam+thunder clap spam

just wondering if its better to ignore Shield Slam to spam revenge in packs as colossus, unless needing the rage

[sacred badge]

nope

[sacred badge]

this was mine from a +10 Priory I ran last night; I'll caveat with I mostly played MT in weeklies last season so there's still probably a lot I'm not doing well (and not playing in BStance enough) but this is with 2pc/2pc

my Demolish seems to be desynced a lot from Avatar so might be doing something very wrong there vs just sending it anyway idk

[strong forum]

you send demolish on cd

thats my breakdown from very relaxed priory 10

[sacred badge]

sweet ty

[winter marlin]

your troar did signifcantly more dmg for the same # of casts tho

[obtuse egret]

Do we want to change to 2+2 piece tier set asap? or wait till we get full 4?

[sacred badge]

i didnt share all my columns but it looks like his crit almost double mine and i think he's also hitting more stuff with each cast

[toxic pewter]

I just ditched season 1 tier that set sucked ass anyway

rather take the amor, stam, stats

[sacred badge]

looks like on character sheet Nome has 5% crit on me and is also the guide writer (so I assume that's a hidden buff in the blizz coding 😄 )

[cerulean tusk]

Nome gets DPS from pure spite against ppl saying pwarr is bad. This is known

[idle copper]

Just copying what the main guys in here have said before but basically switch to the S2 2pc as soon as you get it

[round pendant]

who the fuck designed this 2nd boss in rookery

[cerulean tusk]

A hunter with a grudge

[hardy snow]

whats wrong about it?

[round pendant]

just a clusterfuck

[remote anchor]

I killed myself with charge multiple times already on that guy

[hardy snow]

did it both as dps and tank, boss seems quite cool imo

[urban bane]

Im just not a fan of it because so much of it feels like waiting. but i always like hot potato debuffs no clue why

[remote anchor]

I don't like standing out of range half the fight

[round pendant]

nah fuck hot potato

[waxen frigate]

It’s just dog ass for melee

He needs to not cast inside of his puddles

[hardy snow]

yea it is, they should change gravity to be just aoe or something

[cerulean tusk]

It is meant to be annoying and a ranged fight, it is what it is

[waxen frigate]

Just depleted a 10 rookery because the ret pala key holder couldn’t live any of the bosses

[waxen frigate]

That’s every boss though

Some are just worse about it

[hardy snow]

on other hand, last boss in rookery is nice for tanks

[waxen frigate]

“Nice” = boring

Literal target dummy boss

[hardy snow]

"nice" = just pump dmg

[waxen frigate]

Just payphoning in the corner while the group does the mechanics

[hardy snow]

just as rashanan i dawnbreaker, or candle thing in cleft

[waxen frigate]

Cleft zzz

Shit dungeon but at least it’s a cakewalk

Except for the rock throw lmao

[hardy snow]

yea, rock thrower is annyoing

[obtuse egret]

noted, thank you

[toxic pewter]

never grouping with pug mages again

[waxen frigate]

I love doing guild keys with our mage then going into a pug and their dps is half of his

[toxic pewter]

I don't know why I even do this I already know they suck

then here I go into another group with one thinking things may change

[waxen frigate]

Me but not with wow

[toxic pewter]

XD

[mighty flame]

in cleft what to do against creeper dot? CC dont work on them, i was solving it by jumping away and hoping they wont reach me in 5 seconds

[mild river]

You can parry, but it's too much to wait for some parries in a row to clear the debuff. Other than leaping away and reseting it, I don't know what to say. When I reach 10 stacks I start using shield wall and running

You have to move them away from corpses because they gain %damage when near corpses

[mighty flame]

oh i forgot on this one, thanks

ok so jump it is

[mild river]

Or reroll to pally and bubble that haha

[frail ibex]

.............................................................

[waxen frigate]

couldnt be one of my friends

her cat shit on her keyboard mid-key and she finished it

despite our protests that she should just afk

[frail ibex]

And that is why my cats are never allowed in the room with my pc

[torn gulch]

got the bombsuit and seaforium week one stuff is very nice

[sudden lynx]

I just found out that raid loot lockouts are difficulty-specific

[torn gulch]

we learn every day

[sudden lynx]

Meaning that clearing on LFR doesn't lock out the other difficulties' loot

Guess who's going into normal diff raid 💀

Need that tier set

[torn gulch]

i went in normal 3 pieces of warrior tier set dropped i lost the roll on all 3

good luck may you have better luck than me

[sudden lynx]

I'm taking the season off if that happens

😭😭😭😭

[torn gulch]

i got the bombsuit so i am ok

tier set i will get 4 set next week

is there a place you can see trinket seems like bloodmallet?

[cunning goblet]

Is kiting the only option for dealing with creeping shadow stacks in dark flame cleft ?

[fervent sentinel]

Ungabunga what do I do if the paladin does big burst and my agro just goes all over the place

[left meteor]

Spell Reflect if you're pulling a single one

it reflects the DoT application which for me is consistently enough to reset stacks

That only applies to the single one of course or if both have synced melees ig

[brittle fulcrum]

i spell reflect and intervene to drop stacks

[strong forum]

Aoe taunt

[vocal cave]

pump harder

[brittle fulcrum]

whats the best way to sim for aoe / M+ for prot? like 5 target patchwork? I dont have any routes

[toxic pewter]

has anyone done underpin ?? yet is he difficult

[kind urchin]

I've pulled the ?? one a few times. I think he's quite doable. It's just the bombs are kinda hard to target. Might need to make a interact hotkey.

[fervent sentinel]

Okay but that only works if challenging shout is up

[toxic pewter]

guys im doing it im using my catalyst charges blindly YOLO LOL

I DONT EVEN CARE ANYMOE

[meager peak]

I had a mage do that the other day in dfc... but it was his "dog"

[tardy abyss]

his inner dog

woof

[meager peak]

left after candle boss... we went ahead and finished and timed it... he didn't get the loot lu ckily lol

Does anyone have tips for the first boss of Priory after going left? the bleed + the +25% dmg debuff destroys me...

[tardy abyss]

Post nerf the bleed is actually bearable

Just have to be more careful about how you wanna use your rage

[meager peak]

Is it? I haven't tried it post nerf, I started going right... but ppl hate the fire lol

[tardy abyss]

Yeah its a massive difference

In a 10 it was easier to deal with than in a +7 pre-nerf lol

[meager peak]

I haven't gotten to 10s yet... i've tried it as a 8/7 and i was getting demolished

[stable escarp]

So whats everyone runnin? Col or Thane.

went to Col with the patch, diggin it. Miss my lightning god though lol

[tardy abyss]

Col

Straight up deals a lot more damage and feels the same in terms of tankiness

But mobs start slapping hard at 12+

[meager peak]

I haven't tried col in prot.. I guess I should try that

[stable escarp]

yeah, it feels great. Started playing this season yesterday, got to 2200, I know its workable in higher keys as well, itll be a while before the DR in Thane will be "better"

One more tier to get 4 piece and ill start pumpin

[toxic pewter]

once u got colossus its hard to go back to mountain lame

[stable escarp]

its just feels solid

[small steeple]

I mainly play col now myself, but I ran thane last night in mug'zee and gally norm fight and them executes just feel hot there

[urban portal]

dopamine receptor fried

[oak ivy]

Pressing demolish feels so good but so does just spamming 1mil+ revenges

I did a 9Cinder last night and 42% of my damage was revenge, no demolish rips

[round pendant]

I feel like this seasons dungeons are awful

visibility is so bad

[lyric fern]

I'm personally having a lot of fun with this season's dungeon
but that's also because they all feel like a giant step up over the season 1 dungeon pool

[toxic pewter]

yah this season is great so far

[polar wedge]

any tips for the 3rd boss of Motherlode? Does she destroy the tank at specific moment or it's the whole fight?

[round pendant]

she only does magic damage and it hurts

use spell block but other than during that you don't need shield block up

[round pendant]

every 5 seconds is 20 different circles and every pack is 50 million nameplates covering my entire screen

it's way too noisy

also like rookery hallways with the big circles in a tight-ass corridor

like bruh

it's just annoying as fuck

and never stops

[lyric fern]

idk I personally prefer more personal responsability with the "bullet hell" style mechanics and stuff

nameplates though I feel that

[polar wedge]

yeah focus on ignore pain then

[round pendant]

yeah

[neon elk]

in workshop does the bite dispell aoe damage the crate ?

[formal basin]

we crafting shields this season?

[fringe burrow]

Does the knock up on shock wave add anything to it, they're stunned while knocked up so is that talent really just for the 5 seconds off the cooldown?

[flat garden]

The boss only does series of 2 or 3 autos between spells so it gives you enough time to bank resources and rotate CDs.
You just need practice to know when autos are coming out because there is no warning and they do pack a punch 😅

[lusty juniper]

Is it worth to craft shield this week?

[supple hollow]

Anyone have a Colossal might weakaura to track stacks and tiem left?

Found a solution with tellmewhen addon - thanks 🙂

[slate valley]

Creeper stacks in DFC can be spell blocked? Is it enough to drop the stacks?

[daring narwhal]

yes and yes should be. It can also be parried to avoid the stack (but rng dependant)

[sharp gale]

Do you need it this week ?

[slate valley]

Thanks a lot, always having trouble here

[sharp gale]

You can kite too

[cunning goblet]

@brittle fulcrum intervening some one drops the stacks?

[onyx vessel]

i crafted a 675 no regrets

+10k armor worth

[formal basin]

i did too xd

[karmic crane]

first time trying CL as prot...is it better to send demolish? or to hold off to keep revenge buffed

[strong forum]

i crafted ring with lens

cuz i multispec prot and arms

[oak ivy]

if one finds themselves with a free talent are we feelin Second Wind or P&G

[urban portal]

Png

[sage yacht]

mad why tf they remove the scythe reflect in ToP

who tf thinks of ts man

who wakes up and thinks “yeah lets remove the most goated reflect”

[mighty valley]

send on CD, it also increases damage done to enemies hit with it

and does a billion damage

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/Z12Q02r.png

okay this title owns

[mild river]

Did u do as prot?

[strong forum]

ye

2 days ago

annoyingly easy

but clunky af

[mild river]

Is that tier? o tier??

[strong forum]

??

[mild river]

I tried to but adds were spawning all over the place and sometimes even outside of the arena

It was impossible to dps sometimes

[strong forum]

yeah gotta leave and re-enter the delve after 1 or 2 wipes

[mild river]

I was running all the time kicking the bombs

[strong forum]

thats the entire boss ye

it just dies passively

when you dont have to kill adds

its all just bombs

clunky but easy

[mild river]

Yeah after third wave the adds just spawn outside the area for me. I thought that was a soft enrage.

So you just have to do the fighting hoping it doesn't bug?

And when it bugs, you leave the delver.

Gotcha

Gonna try later then

Thanks 😊

[supple meadow]

wait you did tier ?? Solo

[strong forum]

yes

[supple meadow]

how the fuck lmao

[strong forum]

idk

[supple meadow]

My best is 75%

[strong forum]

took like 45min

and was dead

[supple meadow]

then he just fuckin heals to full and I'm screwed

[strong forum]

you need to break the shield

just hold demolish for it

and you almost insta break it

[supple meadow]

I tried for like two hrs

I mean I am only 630

[strong forum]

i was also only 640

[supple meadow]

but you're prot God so our skill gap is pretty substantial 🤣🤣

So how do you do it?

just kick bombs into him and adds?

[strong forum]

kick bombs into adds

hold demolish for shield breaks (everytime he reaches 100 energy )

and dmg him when no adds to kill

[supple meadow]

I keep getting hit by the damn lava balls

But that's my own skill issue

[strong forum]

[supple meadow]

lmao

I'm prepared to admit when it's my own issue lol

did you do it with the col build on wowhead or your own special version

[chilly swallow]

Whats good uptime lookin like with shield block using the mountain thane build from wowhead. >

my unbuffed haste is horrid still

[strong forum]

85%+++

as close to 100% as possible

if your haste is shit, you play heavy repercussions

with 16k++ haste youre fine to run ITF in weekly keys

if you have less than that, youll struggle a bit

[chilly swallow]

heh. 16k. i have 14%

[strong forum]

yeah, play HR then

[chilly swallow]

6k

bet. thanks nom

[strong forum]

get yourself the cinderbrew neck then

i have too much haste now almost

im at like 22k

[chilly swallow]

Should i play a vet ring that has haste over a champ wtihout?

[strong forum]

yes

[supple meadow]

but I thought ilvl is king over everything

[strong forum]

with rings and neck being the exception 🙂

[supple meadow]

ohhhhh. gotcha

[strong forum]

i would never equip a non-haste ring unless i already had overkill amount of haste

[supple meadow]

I will remember that when I'm gearing

[strong forum]

part of teh reason why im never low haste

[supple meadow]

my stats are booty

[strong forum]

the only item i have without haste is my boots and weapon

everything else has haste

[chilly swallow]

i had 2k stones waiting to use anyways i upgraded the vet ring to 634 like the champy

[strong forum]

good

[glacial lynx]

im crafting weapon then shield I dont figure ill see myth track for either

[strong forum]

sure

i crafted ring cuz i wanted it

juicy 40ilvl upgrade

[chilly swallow]

i almost had the shield crafted. but figured i should save.

using a herioc track shield lol

herioc dungeon

[strong forum]

ah

oof

[chilly swallow]

^ upgraded to 629

[supple meadow]

My mastery is my highest stat I think, I know that's probably bad

[strong forum]

its less than ideal

but not bad

there are no bad stats

just some are better than others

[supple meadow]

yeah my stats are mastery haste crit vers in that order

[chilly swallow]

Vers no good this season or we want minimal.?

[strong forum]

vers is as good as in any other season

not great, not terrible

[chilly swallow]

Newish to prot. i main or have mained a BDK for 5 yrs.

[supple meadow]

I was gonna show you my stats but I logged off in fury spec

[strong forum]

stats dont rly matter

ESPECIALLY as bdk xdd

[chilly swallow]

lol

thats why i was a bit nerv learning prot.

[dreamy crag]

prot is fun af so far, doing dps dmg is hilarious

finally broke 2600

[supple meadow]

I just try to be the best player I can be realistically lol

I only play like 20hrs a week at most

[strong forum]

thats more than most myth raiders do

[neon elk]

Damn 20hrs is quite nice

[supple meadow]

fr? lmao

so you're telling me I should probably be much higher ilvl rn and I'm doing something wrong

[neon elk]

Idk what u doing and whats your ilvl, im just saying i would like to have 20hrs a week to play

[mighty valley]

everyone's 20 hours are different

20 hours of pumping through keys with a skilled static group would get you geared pretty fast

if you're hanging out in town desperately trying to make 2s happen, less so

[supple meadow]

I usually try to farm stuff while waiting for buddies to log on

[mild river]

Damn. You doing 11s already?

[dreamy crag]

Nah you can barely squeeze it out with 10++s

11s probably not too bad tbh, just a waste of time atm

[keen heron]

Question, how are you guys handlign corridor creepers in DFC?
Especially in cart? Because of the stacking debuff

[dreamy crag]

Getting destroyed by them as well lol

[vagrant pivot]

boys is our damage gonna get nerfed? doing dummy dps after getting 2 piece

[left basalt]

pwar doing work for liquid

[dense cradle]

If I only really touched thane in s1, how much does s2 colo differ playstyle wise?

[mighty valley]

You have an extra button to press on CD and you can’t throw IP out nearly as much as s1 thane, gotta keep more rage in the tank to keep pressing buttons

[dense cradle]

Did they revert the turbo rage nerf

that they proposed in ptr

[mighty valley]

Sort of

Rage income is still overall down from last season but the compensation buffs were strong

And they didn’t end up hitting ss reset chance as badly

[dense cradle]

ngl s1 thane sometimes felt like you had too much rage

constantly

[strong forum]

The dmg done to the boss with the balls counts on details, this is fake dmg 😄

[left basalt]

lol

[supple meadow]

I was really hoping someone else would get WF and not the clown circus

but here we are unfortunately

[neon elk]

So guys how td do i get 2k undercoins to get my gyaranteed map?

[tribal wharf]

STONKS, s tier

GUYS I JUST REROLLED

pwar best, what do i take

[hardy snow]

it's not pwar, it's trash pile

[tribal wharf]

dps is dps

more dps is gooder

[small steeple]

yup

[round cliff]

what delve lvl do i need to use my delvers bounty on

8?

[lyric fern]

Tier 8 if you just want hero gear
Tier 11 if you are also going for max gilded crest

[pallid quiver]

tell that to the average wow player

[round cliff]

how soloable are 11s at 639 ilvl

[jagged gust]

Easily chain pullable

[round cliff]

word

ill save it then

if im using the move speed gem, im assuming the unique color gems r more important than the specific stats?

at least until i get all the colors

[final gust]

any specific things I should know about the Cinderbrew Stein trinket, outta curiosity?

[strong forum]

Nothing hurts except first 2 pulls

Don't overpull in the first room, but pull decently big (no more than 1 muscle and 2 pyros per pull)

In the corridors don't pull bigger than 2 packs at a time

[round cliff]

how do u guys fit ignore pain into ur budget in times of rage starve

[strong forum]

Uuuh

Just don't rage starve

That's generally what I do

[round cliff]

its not my fault when i go from 100-0 with 0 shield slam resets

[strong forum]

Hope this helps!

[round cliff]

surely

[strong forum]

More revenge

[round cliff]

im going from 100-0 with revenge, yes

[strong forum]

Then you spent 5 globals, aka the full cd of SS. Without getting a single reset

The chance of that happening is incredibly slim

[round cliff]

im a high roller for bad rng

[strong forum]

But yeah, if you come into teh situation of rage starving, that means you fucked up some time earlier

And overspent when you shouldn't have

Or you're needlessly sitting on cds

[round cliff]

i dont sit on cds so im prob overspending

not overspending is hard tho

[cerulean tusk]

I run out of rage when I spam execute

[stiff gate]

do you guys ever play roar in keys over spear? i have a hard time getting snap threat when i have to pull multiple packs with heroic throw and dont have enough rage to revenge each group as they come in. by the time i've hit half of them, dropped ravager, dropped spear, pressed demo shout, it seems like my melee have just ripped all the ones that i havent hit with an actual ability yet

first pull of floodgate for example, i can tag the left pack with throw, charge->revenge the right pack, thunderclap the 3rd pack, and then usually try to tag the back pack with another heroic throw, but that leaves like 5 mobs from those 2 groups i hit with throw that i havent actually damaged in, by the time i get my ground aoe stuff down the melee have started their dps and ripped those mobs

[deep steppe]

I dont use spear at all in keys

roar feels so much better imo

[warped hound]

if everything is in melee range just challenging shout maybe?

[stiff gate]

i can but then i dont have my aoe kick which is kind of why im playing my warrior this season over my monk, my group is terrible with interrupts and none of us want to play vdh or prot pally

i guess for that specific pull i can just send it as i think there's only 2? kicks

but in general i dont have it for every time i want to group 3 or 4 packs, i guess ill just play roar if its not far behind spear

and just press it for free aggro

wasnt sure what the difference was, i looked at a few top runs and everyone was playing spear from what i saw but i guess top runs rn are just random since most of the top players are raiding

yeah looking at it now i guess a bunch of people are playing roar

[toxic pewter]

just use wowhead build lol

[deep steppe]

I would say it also depends on how you play better

the builds are close enough, whichever makes you feel better

and play better

use that one

[steep condor]

anyone got any tips for vindel snapcrank boss in delves? i lsot all my lives to him 😦

[deep steppe]

it'll be better than trying to mini-max a build that doesn't feel good to you

[steep condor]

the adds keep hitting me - they lock on.. not sure what im supposed to do

[kind urchin]

I'm actually not the biggest fan of spear specifically because of the tiny ass range it has.

[toxic pewter]

no one running spear right now

[remote anchor]

roar goes hard

big dam

[lament forge]

Anyone playing thane? Assume it's still fine. Was thinking of running it until I get 4 set piece just for simplicity

[wild island]

which one bro? i cant find any that are working good

[timber nest]

how good is the tank ttrinket this raid?

[regal yarrow]

You mean the bomb suit? Any tank trinket with an absorb amount scales badly, and the bomb suit has one. That 10 million damage will get consumed instantly when you actually want it.

For reference thunder punch in an 11 floodgate hits for 8 million, and applies a dot that ticks for 2.5 million. The trinket absorb would be consumed in the single ability

[timber nest]

no, the scrapfield one

[regal yarrow]

It runs into the same problem. Ignore the defensive utility on it, and sim your damage with it

[timber nest]

well if the tanks are dieing

cba damage

just want them to survive

[regal yarrow]

If you're dying I'd be amazed.

But I'm sure they'd help carry someone that didn't know what they were doing in easier content

[jagged gust]

So you're saying it completely negates a tankbuster

And that's a bad thing?

Wild

[regal yarrow]

The mythic raid version doesn't even fully negate a tank buster in an 11 is what I said.

[timber nest]

i mean were doing heroic bandit and tank is literally dieing to stupid shit

like the big physical hit

[regal yarrow]

What is he using his shield walls on? It should be hitting for around 10m through shield wall and armor alone

[timber nest]

its a pally tank

[round cliff]

wait

violent outburst gives me ignore pain

so my muscle memory of always pressing outburst w/ IP macro is purely wasted rage

no wonder im starving

thats crazy

[small steeple]

no fucking way

[sharp gale]

it is also wild because it is a copy of Nzoth trinket (Nyalotha) and it was really good back in bfa

(yeah 1 min and it was a maybe 60-70% of your hp in the amount / i was brew )

[round cliff]

i used my delver map and the heroic item i got was a shit ass trinket thats worse than my champ ones

[brave stirrup]

@stiff gate curious why you don’t like prot pally or vdh? What about blood?

[stiff gate]

prot pally i cant stand having to stand in my consecrate and having trash tier mobility. dh idk i just never liked it. half my action bars are empty on that class

i basically just play monk and warrior, i like blood except it also has pretty bad mobility

[strong forum]

Except it's a 75% absorb, meaning the 10mil it provides carries you over 12.5mil dmg + IP also partial absorbs the dmg then.

If your key level is high enough at some point you will run out of shield walls to cover for thunder punch. At which point the bombsuit can fill your mitigation gaps.

Bomb suit is the single best defensive trinket we've seen in a while

While it's not as good as aegis from 9.1

Getting a partial absorb trinket with a 1.5min cd with a decently large absorb pool is incredibly potent

But yeah, scrapfield is a decent stat stick

Can recommend getting it

[sharp gale]

blood has the same pal issue with consecrate

[strong forum]

I could never play dk or pally

With their lack of mobility my legs would break irl

[sharp gale]

from doing some keys on my warrior today, it is another world

[strong forum]

I'm too used to 30s cd leap + 2 charges + intervene + sc

Miss me having to RP walk like bdks do

[sharp gale]

yeah you get used to not being able to move quite fast tbh, since you just grab things to you

[strong forum]

Nah

Nah

[sharp gale]

im coping

[strong forum]

Anytime you are out of combat

[sharp gale]

bc i'm fucking bdk for raid

[strong forum]

You literally need your team to wait for you

Fuck that

♿

[sharp gale]

beginning of Priory HYPE

[strong forum]

Yeah

[sharp gale]

and i can't even kite or get adds and go behind wall since i just die in 1 sec if i'm not hitting mobs

but it does make me appreciate parry a lot more lol (and crit)

[strong forum]

[dense cradle]

What changed this season that defender's aegis is actually worth in a general case now

[sick sentinel]

Hi. What's easier and lowest effort to play "well enough" in raids. Arms or fury? (im prot brained, i have no idea how those 2 work)

[regal yarrow]

Fury feels pretty similar to thane prot in my opinion. But I think arms is generaly easier to play

[regal yarrow]

It's probably the general uptime of shield wall with our new set bonus, on top of avatar giving us shield wall, on top of 2 charges of shield wall.

[stiff gate]

i havent played blood since like wod oops lol

[sharp gale]

Yeah you kinda die if you out of your death and decay

[stiff gate]

sounds awful

[sharp gale]

But is has like pal the 5 sec buff before it expires once you go out

Tbh it is awful my bdk will never see something over a 10, it’s just a char for raid

[dense cradle]

even before tier?

With tier i can see that

[regal yarrow]

I'd say even before tier. This season we can do absolutely massive pulls, and the double shield wall helps a lot with them.

I believe they also reduced the frequency of shield slam being reset, so that alone lowers the value of impenetrable wall a lot.
Chance to reset the cooldown of Shield Slam from Devastator and Strategist reduced to 25% (was 30%).

[sick sentinel]

oh thats interesting. ty.

[raw parcel]

Question about the Tome trinket: it's showing me having BOTH verses active right now, is that a bug?

Inner Radiance and Inner Resilience

[sharp gale]

Can you screenshot/ red circle what you think is wrong ? Because I have it too I’m kinda disturbed too on this trinket

[willow portal]

hey guys quick question

[sharp gale]

Ofc I took a WA for it, but when it says to press it, the WA tells me I’m in crit mode but I’m still in def mode for the 25 sec of the use

[willow portal]

should i keep heroic tier from 1st season or change to 645 ilvl?

no tier

[raw parcel]

I mean it's just that it's showing both, lol. Dunno what a screenshot would help with xD

[sharp gale]

On my bdk I took off my s1 tier for ilvl (it was on 619 pieces)

[raw parcel]

Also it appears to be giving me both bonuses in my character sheet. 100% not complaining, mind, I did 29 runs for this fucking trinket.

[cerulean tusk]

Our old tier isn't anything to write home about. I swapped it all out for pure ilvl and my DPS and surv is stronger than ever

[idle copper]

I think the general concensus is swap when new 2pc or to sim

[oak ivy]

[cerulean tusk]

Who needs heroism, when you are built to be the hero

[raw parcel]

Looks like entering combat fixed it, no double dip trinkey.

[mortal cypress]

real players use Bloodlust

if someone says "hero???" in raid I just insta leave

[raw parcel]

Warriors should really have bloodlust. 😠

Just seems like a weird thing that we, the bloodlustier zug zuggers around, don't got it.

[small steeple]

warrior healer spec when? Just shout at people to get healthier and pick yourself off the ground

lol

[raw parcel]

Hey, I'm not asking for something unreasonable. Could call it "War Cry." We are lacking in utility.

Kinda sick of being reminded of that every time there's a tier list. >_>

[waxen frigate]

Leave to go back to your mud huts and bombed our cities, typical horde

[mortal cypress]

idk, undead people, cow men, green tusk men > humans, midget humans, slightly larger midget humans

[misty rain]

How are yall dealing with the bleeds on the first big pulls in cinderbrew?

[waxen frigate]

Undead “people”

[mortal cypress]

i mean they are all just pixels at the end of the day

[round cliff]

how many delver's bounties can u get in a week

[raw parcel]

Just one.

[neon elk]

Im more curious how u can get that one, am i supposed to be spaming delves or what

[dull granite]

you can buy item with 2000 undermine coins that guarantees it

[idle copper]

I've had 2 this week, presumably it's catch up from not running delves last week.
It's random when you get it

[dense cradle]

….Ok demolish is legitimately addictive to hit

[oak ivy]

dopamine stonks

[dull granite]

anyone know why i cant blacklist ignore pain and shield block from my player frame on elviu? using weakaraus for those instead

[neon elk]

Yea i just kinda lacks 2k coins, did 4 bountyfulls this week and im at 1.6k or so

[lilac flume]

Man warriors are eating so good right now especially prot, y'all riding high this week as well?

[pallid quiver]

I didn't see anyone really give you a response, but it's a combination of the following:

• Imp Wall no longer gives rage, so it doesn't help your rage econ, meaning it effectively gives less CDR as well (Less Anger Management)
• Shield Wall's base CD was reduced, making there be less of a CD too reduce, so DA's reduction ends up just being more percentage wise, even though it's flat
• IO can give it value when you wall back to back to enable you to have more damage at the start of a long pack, as well, if playing Colo

[mortal cypress]

No. Warrior is terrible. It needs a buff

[lilac flume]

Yes yes zug zug you're right, needs more zug power

[mortal cypress]

Yes....tier sucks...needs more baseline dps, remove aoe cap on some abilities....then we can compete

if we keep reminding blizzard we will get the buffs we deserve

[pallid quiver]

that's not the warrior pipeline

[mortal cypress]

im trying to change it

[analog glacier]

Is there a way to macro ravager and champions spear into one cast @ cursor macro?

[cerulean tusk]

Only as a sequence macro, or mod binds*, won't be able to have 1 press cast both at the same time tho

[queen elm]

Hello ! Coming back to warrior after taking a bit of a break at the end of S1, is one against many the way to go over arterial bleed on colossus for M+ ?

[mighty valley]

Yep

[queen elm]

And bleed in raids?

[mighty valley]

Think so, yeah

[urban portal]

Bleed in pure st

[soft schooner]

Seabed leviathan isn't very good.
On the other hand: Big

[raw parcel]

Demolish is ridiculously cool.

I think last season felt fine, admittedly, but I'm no longer salty about the changes. Colossus feels like a fucking beast right now.

[round cliff]

man

in ptr yall were all like "i hate channeled casts. i will never fogive blizzard"

now ur all like "me and the channeled cast, besties"

i see how u are

[frail talon]

Hey guys, when running delves as prot, are you using dps or healer brann and what curious are you using?

[mighty valley]

dps brann for sure

haven’t really looked at the curios yet, feel unkillable with whatever

[novel pike]

t11 delves are giga easy as prot imo

dps brann is stronk af too

[past torrent]

I still hate the channel aspect but do like the big numbers so I tolerate it

[nova rover]

Is a crafted weapon the way to go?

[left escarp]

personally still playing Thane but all this Demo hype makes me wanna swap just to try. >.>

[past torrent]

Took me a mythic to get use to, but after that, I was sold.

[left escarp]

what is overall dps looking like in 8+s?

[frosty mango]

Depends on the key, I’m usually around 1.8-2m on details

[left escarp]

Fuck, and I thought I was pumping at 1.5ish.

[frosty mango]

You prob just need to pull bigger

Are you playing thane or colossus

[left escarp]

Thane

[frosty mango]

Colossus offers a good bit more damage at the expense of defense

It’s harder to gather though, you have to think about how you aim revenge

[left escarp]

Yeah the DPS question was a followup above lol, because all of the Demo hype.

[frosty mango]

It’s really revenge doing the work

[left escarp]

Yeah all the stacking buffs.

I'll run it tomorrow see what I think.

[frosty mango]

Just use keep challenging shout ready for really big spread pulls and you can usually charge > slam > revenge, leap to next pack and gather

[short apex]

someone free me from floodgate jail

i beg

[jagged pier]

just dont owrry about it

get loot in vault

ez

[pallid quiver]

instructions unclear, dps are busy bricking my keys so they don't complete

I actually haven't had any keys not complete, but I've definitely seen some people do their best to not time

[jagged pier]

hey i didnt time a 10 cinderbrew cause a hunter didnt dismiss his pets

then blamed me

[pallid quiver]

Yo