protection

[lusty grotto]

Gz!

[cerulean tusk]

on 2nd I run right and repeat

[round pendant]

I'm just dogshit with Colossus rn

so my IP fell off and I got trucked

[lusty grotto]

First boss of cinder is easy

[round pendant]

I don't like the pwar changes ngl

[lusty grotto]

Healer needs to plant feet and heal

[cerulean tusk]

Oh? Not a fan of gigantic on-use CD?

[lusty grotto]

The healer CANNOT do beer runs

[urban bane]

goated advice yup

[lusty grotto]

Disc has literally no problem healing 1st boss. Other healers depend on range etc

1st boss isn't the dangerous one

IPA is

[urban bane]

IPA

[cerulean tusk]

IPA? Not done it on a 10 yet - what is the problem?

[lusty grotto]

IPA scales out of the wazoo

Harder to heal than 1st boss

[cerulean tusk]

[lusty grotto]

Doing mechs correctly and not having it take an add

Which goes without saying

[naive panther]

How do I pull less in cinder?

Ipa on 10 need whole room

[lusty grotto]

Yeah

[naive panther]

First boss similar

[lusty grotto]

Just skip bee room dudes

And corner packs

[cerulean tusk]

You skip the corner packs, and ^ that

[lusty grotto]

On hallways

[cyan bronze]

I personally just do not accept cinderbrew as a real key

[short apex]

yo lads, most of the stuff ive tanked was pretty ez, but first priory bleed just dicks me down hard, how do you guys handle that?

[cerulean tusk]

Wall, IP and scream yell supportive words at the healer

https://tenor.com/view/himouto-party-dance-cheer-umaru-gif-4970881

[chilly brook]

I find the 3rd boss sucks more the bee dude

[dark lark]

Man, even stackin Shield Wall + Spell Reflect and sometimes even Demo Shout for Thunder Punch, it still trucks super hard

[chilly brook]

It’s the only damage in that fight for you tho

[dark lark]

Yeah

[chilly brook]

He does like nothing else

[cerulean tusk]

Still trucks, tho

[dark lark]

I did an 8 and it was sketchy AF

[chilly brook]

Just don’t get one shot and you’re cruising

[dark lark]

More stamina down the line will definitely make it more cushy

[cerulean tusk]

It will, till you go up some key levels and are back to start

[dark lark]

true lul

[tropic star]

anyone know if 2peice procs immovable objects Avatar?

[dark lark]

unfortunately not

[hollow sphinx]

ist it normal revenge is on 2nd place in dmg meter with colossos in m+

[tropic star]

usually my top dmg

but im a greedy gus

[karmic plinth]

revenge should be top demo second

but depends on time on bosses vs trash

[light nova]

if im playing colossus is it normal to have a small amt of downtime on shield block or am I playing wrong

[long bronze]

you need more haste

[light nova]

I dont have a miniscule amount, rocking 12.7k haste/32%

err

29%

[long bronze]

that doesn't math

[distant marsh]

Anybody know a rough % of the 2pc proc rate? or if it has a internal CD

[light nova]

into the fray

[long bronze]

yes

your haste is too low

you need like 30% BEFORE ITF

[light nova]

rgr ty

[long bronze]

run HR or a haste flask for now

[junior viper]

not a great start to the season, true suffering

[small steeple]

thats kinda low

[long bronze]

it's really low

[light nova]

tbf its offspec gear so I have a ton of mastery

[long bronze]

usually a good neck and ring will fix it

[small steeple]

i have crap haste myself, but thats cause i haven't gotten any new s2 gear with haste

[long bronze]

target cinderbrew for neck and top for ring (bloodbath signet)

you can also craft 629 haste/crit stuff for basically free

[strong forum]

you want like 17/18k before you dont run into block downtime

12k is nowhere near enough

[north silo]

Hey, which emblishments do we want to upgrade? I'm currently on linings, but just saw that quite a few people upgraded their weapon + asendance.

[strong forum]

embellishments are very much a joke, a lot of people will opt to craft weapon/shield early

so ascendance for raid is alright, but embellishs dont scale with ilvl

so go big ilvl upgrades first

[north silo]

thanks 🙂

[strong forum]

aka weaon/shield

[bleak sundial]

you guys got a spell reflect weakaura? torkal's weakaura isnt working which is sad cause i've been using it the whole s1

[agile elbow]

Afaik that is the only spell reflect WA. Torkal is working on getting it updated.

[bleak sundial]

damn sadge ok ty hopefully it gets updated soon, really a good weakaura kudos to him

[shut summit]

dont need a WA when they nerf every spell reflect

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

literally

0 spell reflects

fucking rename it spell reduction already

it LITERALLY cant reflect anything

[jagged pier]

Hey it can still do the p1 of last boss of workshop

[strong forum]

yeah thats the only saving grace

and ML last boss

my favourite is just "thunder PUNCH" which is a physical PUNCH is not blockable

[long bronze]

yall about to rile me up again

[strong forum]

[long bronze]

#protection message

[strong forum]

there are many bolts

which you cant reflect anymore

[long bronze]

I should be able to reflect any spell that targets me

just make it do reduced damage back to the mob if that's such a big bad thing for us to do

name another ability in the game where you need to have a spreadsheet open to know when to press it

garbage design

[woven radish]

100% this...such bullshit, what's even the point of the ability at this point if they keep removing everything

[woven radish]

Good compromise

[restive oak]

if they don't want dmg to be our utility they could give us real utility :p

[long bronze]

name a better class to give bloodlust to than warrior

i'll wait

[strong forum]

i think druid would really need it

fury of the ancients

oh wait thats evoker lust

[restive oak]

at least i won't have to type LUST while im doing other things

[long bronze]

[strong forum]

honestly paladin really needs lust

[long bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cam-cat-camera-cat-wide-cat-wide-gif-16729570673879006163

[distant fractal]

How much do y'all intervene? I feel like I could put that talent elsewhere...

[pallid quiver]

I commented on this before, Nome, we live in a post Gen 4 Pokemon world, that's a special attack, not a physical attack

[restive oak]

intervene if your a good boy

i mean you can use it to reposition too

but if you not pressing it

[blissful pecan]

Isn’t gen 4 the one that made thunder punch scale with regular attack and not special like it used to? Really this is Pokémon’s fault.

[pallid quiver]

it is, yes

this man's breaking my gaslighting smh

Since Gen 4 decided splitting move scaling based on type was silly, so did it by individual move

[blissful pecan]

Honestly good change though

[pallid quiver]

absolutely necessary for the health of the game

And gave them more actual freedom for mons, too

[torn gulch]

it is just me or m+ scoring is completely cooked?

i got score for a timed key like i depleted it

despite the fact that i timed the key with around 3 min under

[iron vale]

https://i.imgur.com/kelo9HX.png

i have this 3 hero track, what to take for prot?

[torn gulch]

seaforium is giga

strenght and around 50% uptime with high crit

very good feedback loop with decent crit

is that bloodmallet? i can't see it updated

[small steeple]

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can someone help me figure out why this execute wa for jugg execute builds isn't working?

[iron vale]

It is

[sacred badge]

would the effect of heroic titan of industry make up for the ~10 ilvls lost from raw stats on a crafted shield option? guild wants to send upgrades/crafts and push for aotc/early mythic next week, so getting a heroic shield wouldn't be an impossibility. just want to make sure i'm not wasting crests. i think it'd definitely be worse defensively and i just need to sim it for dmg?

sims seem to favor gilded craft by a decent chunk fwiw so i guess that answers my own question

[prisma crane]

we're not allowed to have fun, pally get broken interactions time and time again, we get fixed within weeks

[keen leaf]

double checking, but mythic crafted will be better than heroic gally shield right?

[long bronze]

Ilvl on shield always

[prisma crane]

am i missing something, when i go to BM its S1 items still

[lusty grotto]

shit is easy

its only hard if dps cant do the bees

[chilly brook]

Idk I was getting my ass ate in a 9/10

more so in the 9

[lusty grotto]

ive only done an 8 there so i cant say for 9 or 10

didnt feel like much of a difference

either way when i mentioned IPA i meant overall group damage not specifically tank

IPA is not difficult to tank

just gotta move the boss thats it

[chilly brook]

https://raider.io/characters/us/tichondrius/Woahyer

damnit

I logged off last night at like 42 in NA

back over 50 😦

[lusty grotto]

nice nice

[chilly brook]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-feedback-and-philosophy-for-the-personal-cooldown-manager-in-patch-11-1-375678

Honestly kinda hyped for this native support

[lusty grotto]

yeah apb posted it

earlier

with screenshots

#protection message

looks decent

very good for WoW to implement these

[mortal cypress]

i might finally be able to get rid of was for my ui if they do a good job on that

[prisma crane]

its a good place for them to start farming real W's too

UI has always been a massive shortcoming of base game

[lusty grotto]

agreed

[prisma crane]

plus added benefit of having them native is they're theoretically better optimized as well, so performance may improve vs base+addon

[prisma crane]

gotta also love that the current only comment is someone asking for a NE pally...

[fathom raven]

any1 got spell reflect wa for new udngs?

[chilly brook]

Of course, gotta whine somehow

[prisma crane]

its a sport at this point

i'm no stranger to complaining, but time and place... lmao

[lusty grotto]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[prisma crane]

yea, just doesnt work for most things 🙂

[vocal flame]

Should we just drop the talent?

[next pasture]

can you spell reflect cinderblast?

[tardy abyss]

zugzug

[orchid mural]

i did it

[strong forum]

thats hot

[keen leaf]

wtf is this

[prisma crane]

a cloak that's been around since BFA

[strong forum]

its a cloak with full stat budget on vers

[fallow wind]

worth using?, sucks no haste or crit on it

[strong forum]

dogshit

[keen leaf]

thanks, thats what I was looking for

[sick sentinel]

quick question is thane build still viable? and why does matority go colossul?

[strong forum]

colossus is way more dmg

[keen leaf]

I use thane, colo is pumping dmg

[strong forum]

thane is still perfectly fine

[keen leaf]

Thane is doing fine for me, i prefer it

[sick sentinel]

im trying colo, but somehow i feel like im loseing that more surviabillity xD

[prisma crane]

just have to be a bit more thoughtful with your rage spending

[sick sentinel]

true true

[agile elbow]

Healer problem imo.

🤣

[prisma crane]

always

[small steeple]

crap?

[lusty grotto]

nope

[kind urchin]

I play both. Mostly colo right now but sometimes I'm just feeling thane.

[cerulean tusk]

You can lose score x)

Went from 2.2k to 1.8k score

Its so good

:>

[small steeple]

lmao all of you did

so cursed

[cerulean tusk]

mah score D:

all gone

:'(

[lusty grotto]

rofl

wow

thats umm certainly interesting

[thin nova]

guys do we break 4p for 2p or do we wait for 4p ?

[pallid quiver]

our S1 tier is terrible

so yeah, swap that out real early

[neon elk]

I broke my 4p for 0 just bcs of ilvl , go for 2p if u can

[thin nova]

roger that

thanks!

[strong forum]

you can sim

but our s1 tierset is awful

[vocal cave]

does anyone know if gaols gets enrage if all walls are destroyed before they die? HC mugzee

[mighty valley]

are folks stepping out and back in for spell reflect value on kultharok?

i gotta get my spell reflect hits where i can

[lusty grotto]

nome you around?

do you recommend doing the 1h trick with fury smf or just saving for a 2h

idk if it works for fury

err crafting, sorry, not doing'

[torn gulch]

first boss in priory is not ok

25% of the damage in the entire dungeon is taken during first boss kekw

i feel like both cinderbrew and priory are grossly overtuned

[sage karma]

lads i got a question i just got the bracers from workshop and idk if they are worth it

[torn gulch]

garbage

[opal forum]

i cleared all my m0 this week but im only 7/8 on the vault, im assuming this is a bug, anyone else has experienced this?

cant even tell wich one was "not done"

[rain light]

open your calender and mouse over next weeks reset day, it tells you what ones you've did

see if theyre all listed as being done or not

[unborn island]

Does /raidinfo still show all your lockouts too?

[opal forum]

could it be this?

the 8 dungeons are listed

both on raidinfo and calendar

[mighty valley]

hmm that seems plausible

[tribal wharf]

i want to play as imp or former humans

but this is pretty good

[supple meadow]

how do i properly use demolish?

[slim orbit]

Anyone know when us prot warriors switch out items from last seasons set?

Do we wait for atleast 2 set of S2?

[prisma crane]

nearly asap

S1 set isnt good

[slim orbit]

Ahh so higher Ilvl champ gear just better?

At a minimum which is what I have

[prisma crane]

yea

[slim orbit]

Aite

Will try that

ty

[prisma crane]

np

[narrow jay]

we using radiant power or Depths?

[small steeple]

@strong forum or anyone else know how to do this?

[chrome falcon]

anyone got a decent WA for showing if you're in combat with stuff that doesn't have rend on it

not sure if that's something we can even really do

just to know when we're actually meant to be hitting TC

[torn gulch]

damn look at all these nerfs in m+

especially first boss in priory third boss in floodgate last boss in floodgate

[lucid gulch]

are the on use wrists for prot from mechagon any good?

[lusty grotto]

no

they are good for gold

bis for vendors

[lusty grotto]

radiant for M+, depths for raid

if you do both, just go depths

same as s1

[lusty grotto]

im sure you can do a plater filter for it

[chrome falcon]

true

[oak ivy]

Priory first boss nerfs

[next pasture]

should i use gilded crests to upgrade this?

like is this trinket super worth?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[hardy snow]

yes

[lusty grotto]

its the best trinket from M+

[spiral grail]

any news on working spell reflect wa?

[hardy snow]

I guess any s1 aura can work, just need to update spell IDs list

[fluid widget]

does dual wield specialization stack with the MS blashphemite?

[lusty grotto]

huh

this is prot

not fury

[fluid widget]

sorry that was the wrong name of the talent, meant fast footwork

[lusty grotto]

oh it doesnt

[fluid widget]

ah damn

[wooden widget]

Shoot so I’ve been inting for months. Do I swap to culminating or drop fast footwork?

[lusty grotto]

either

either choice is fine

[fallow wind]

has these M+ nerfs gone live yet? or hotfix later today still

[chrome falcon]

the big 10% nerf is live, the specific ones are later

if we trust what blizz said

[fallow wind]

all i wanted was the 10% health nerf lol

even with the whole group doing 2m+ overall fights were still way to damn long

[jagged gust]

Agreed

[chrome falcon]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XJTM8zPHLftYgb7y?fight=last&type=damage-done i'm fucking blasting jesus

[jagged gust]

Except I'm the only one doing 2m+ DPS in my groups 😦

[chrome falcon]

wait that was rank 1 in rookery? no shot

[mighty valley]

m+ parse% numbers always look funky, not sure why

[timid wigeon]

hello, does anyone have a working weakaura for spell reflection ?

[heavy hazel]

https://wago.io/pjl-p3su9

[tardy abyss]

zugzugzug

[raw parcel]

My jealousy is intense, run the place at 6-7 like ten times now.

[chrome falcon]

juicing

what key?

[tardy abyss]

Just a cinderbrew +9

[vague abyss]

my guildies are asking what hacks im using xD

[woven radish]

Great pad dungeon

[tardy abyss]

ye

But its easy to do that damage in some other dungeons too

Also had 2.6M in priory and rookery

[woven radish]

Had a 2.5m run in priory too, people hating on that place, but if you can keep the casters in check it's a fuckin blast

[tardy abyss]

Its by far the worst dungeon

Unplayable for pwar at higher levels

Well, it was until nerfs

[woven radish]

No shot, boss design in cinderbrew is garbage

[tardy abyss]

First boss bleed is fucking horrible

But I dont get how people struggle in cinderbrew ngl

Every boss is so easy

[woven radish]

In a late night guy, so my usual team is still stuck in raid while it's new, cannot find pug dps with brain cells

[pallid quiver]

That's because DPS kills braincells

[raw parcel]

I'm curious as to why PWAR is so underrepresented right now? Looks like.. 2.3%? I don't think that accurately reflects how strong we are, at least not unless we just fall off a cliff 9+ (only up to 7-8 at the moment, don't judge me 😭 )

Granted, that's pre-nerf. I might be able to go a bit higher now.

[supple meadow]

prot isn't the best tank rn

according to tier lists anyway

But I've been doing high delves and barely take any damage

[pallid quiver]

survival isn't the issue for any tank at the moment, and damage is close enough, as well

So without any other info, I'm kneejerk guessing most people in M+ are going for BDK, Pala, and their tanks they're raiding with

Because BDK is just generally popular among most tank players, Pala because it has the perception of being the best for keeping the party alive, and the last because

well, hopefully that doesn't need explaining

[tardy abyss]

Pwar will struggle at some point but we are not close yet

[pallid quiver]

As a whole, tank players also don't like playing Prot War, since they just copy what streamers do, and most major tank streamers don't like Prot War

[raw parcel]

Well I love prot warrior and I ain't no FotM Andy. ZUG ZUG

[modest raptor]

DK mobility is just so trash tho. gimme a sword and shield any day

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, but you can't argue that they have some of the most agency when it comes to their own survival due to Death Strike mechanics, even after changes

[modest raptor]

yeah, self sustain covers for a bad healer in lower key for sure

[tardy abyss]

Idk if youre good you dont need a healer in lower keys

as war

[pallid quiver]

Every tank is self-sufficient outside of telegraphed "Tank has bad time" moments, but BDK just simply can struggle past some of those, even

[raw parcel]

I don't "get" VDH, haven't been able to get into the playstyle. Kinda a bummer to see VDH on top again after the last two seasons of DF.

[pallid quiver]

you don't even need a healer in some higher keys

[raw parcel]

Someone on the design team is an Illidan fangirl.

[tardy abyss]

In most pulls yes

There are some pulls where you sadly need a healer

[tardy abyss]

ye

[pallid quiver]

There's not a tank that won't have that issue except sometimes BDK

and we even have to say sometimes now

(Farewell, the times when BDK could simply last forever through stacking dots)

[brave stirrup]

What makes vdh so good ? Why is every streamer rating them S tier?

[pale badge]

assume it's better self-sustain/agency

and comparable damage

[strong forum]

cuz it buffs magic dmg

and they got decently buffed whereas pally got slightly nerfed

and it brings aoe silence

[pale badge]

we can AoE silence with challenging shout fwiw

obvi you know that but

i feel like somie people don't

[vague abyss]

wait what? TIL we have aoe silence

[jagged gust]

That's cuz it sucks

[pale badge]

gotta spec it and it's a tough node but good for some things

i think it's good /shrug

[pallid quiver]

We don't

It's an aoe interrupt

[pale badge]

helps first pull of workshop

[pallid quiver]

You can't pre-set it, like you can VDH, or catach some casts and prevent others

If they're not casting when you send it, it does fuck all

[vague abyss]

ah i see, yeah a bit less useful then agree

[pallid quiver]

VDH sigil is an actual silence, so it'll just work

[pale badge]

it's a 4s silence and our interrupt locks for 6s fwiw

there are def some upsides

having it go insta is cooler in a lot of ways than having to wait for sigil

i play both classes, there are some advantages to the warr talent

[pallid quiver]

It's literally a different tool.

It is not a silence.

[pale badge]

yeah and at the top end I can see how sigil is way preferred

[pallid quiver]

It interrupts

[pale badge]

all i'm saying is we have comparable utility that some folks may be surprised by

[pallid quiver]

Rather, it's not a blanket silence like VDH

[pale badge]

ah yeah the spellschool shit

is frustrating when you stop a cast for mob to just start a new cast

[pallid quiver]

It's literally not a silence, and is an aoe interrupt. On top of that, because of that, it only affects a single spell school, like interrupts. While silences stop everything.

If you want to compare utility, that's fine, but you need to be careful to not peddle misinformation to do so

We have a lot of utility, as we bring some of the most hard stops available to a tank spec. With most builds, you already have Shockwave, Storm Bolt, and even Shield Charge available as hard stops.

You can even add in Int Shout if you want to grab that, as well, even though it's target capped

Our main utility problem is that system changes have directly hurt hard stops by making them do very little; most mobs and casts will just instantly recast

[mighty valley]

castable at range is also big for sigil

[pale badge]

for sure

TIL i'm a misinformation peddler for deigning to use "interrupt" and "silence" interchangably

i'll turn in my warr card at the exit

[chrome falcon]

no

being wrong about things is the main thing you need

to qualify as warrior

[pallid quiver]

It is an important distinction, because they're different mechanics.

[pale badge]

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677

[chrome falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-salute-gif-27701630

[pallid quiver]

There's no reason to be mad or anything about it; just fix it in the future. It hurts people's ability to play the spec well and understand the game to do so.

[chrome falcon]

i always bring disrupting shout now

it's probably not optimal but

[pallid quiver]

Peddling it as an AOE silence gets people to think it's an AOE silence, which prevents it from becoming an AOE silence, which would be pretty handy

[chrome falcon]

aoe kicking 4 mobs out of a consecration in priory? yessir

[pale badge]

I think it's really good for workshop pull 1, likely decent in priory as well

good for this affix as well

[pallid quiver]

Easier to grab as Thane, but it's an option you can take, especially since our hard CCs don't do so good no more

[smoky anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-hes-right-you-know-correct-true-right-gif-27174315

[chrome falcon]

thane

i'm a colossus enjoyer now

is thane actually better

[pallid quiver]

Matta giving up damage just for disrupting smh

They're both similar, but Colo does more damage

[chrome falcon]

noooo i'm having fun on colossus i just strted playing it

[pallid quiver]

Thane is slightly tankier, but with how that is to evaluate, we don't really know by how much

[vague abyss]

i like colossus now because i like big dps numbers

[pale badge]

I will have you know I am actually an attorney IRL, and chortling to myself because y'all jumping down my throat for using inexact language exactly how I would in a contract or some shit

[strong forum]

its easier to grab as colossus

[pale badge]

and I appreciate you all

keep doing god's work

[strong forum]

cuz you dont give up anything but a bit of revenge dmg

[pallid quiver]

it is, but muh damage

[chrome falcon]

oh i was dropping enduring defense for it

that's probably trolling without tier set

[pallid quiver]

It hurts more emotionally to pick up as Colo than Thane

Enduring affects all sources of SB, so that's a never drop unless you're damage parsing

[pale badge]

for me it's more like, colossus I sometimes just end up with absolutely no rage and no way to get it when I need to pop some defensives, especially in single or double target

thane I always feel like I can avatar and stomp for some juice

and cd on stomp higher/faster

[chrome falcon]

so drop show of force instead? i guess

i'm not dying in 10s without enduring but

probably trolling to play without it

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, you drop SoF

Yeah, it hurts your SB uptime the most of any talent

[mighty valley]

you just gotta adjust your mental model of when to IP with colossus

[pallid quiver]

I wager you'd drop either TL or Instigate as Thane, but I haven't thought about Thane trees too hard and what casts Thane gets in S2

[mighty valley]

keep more in the tank to get the gcd swirling

keep* the gcd swirling

[pallid quiver]

@strong forum am i right or am i dum

[pale badge]

I dropped instigate on colossus but you definitely feel it

[pallid quiver]

I'm assuming S2 tier, as well, for the record

[pale badge]

in terms of rage gen

probably won't keep it for most dungeons

[strong forum]

ig thane could drop instigate ye

[pallid quiver]

You definitely don't want to drop instigate, since it gives a lot of rage over time; the only realistic choice is SoF, since it's just damage

but like i said, muh damage

i cut in at a funny time

don't drop instigate as colo in comparison to sof

[pale badge]

yeah I'll attest, it's bad

don't be me

[strong forum]

disrupting shout has rarely any application

pretend it doesnt exist and your life will be of better

[pallid quiver]

I just want it to be an actual aoe silence

It wouldn't make much sense thematically, but it'd be a much nicer pickup

[prisma crane]

can you link me this WA?

[vocal flame]

Good Evening! I got some upgrades from doing dungs etc and it is simming replacing my 4pc set and the result is increasing DPS by 75,141. Maybe cause the ilevel has such a huge difference for each pc? Edit: its an avg of 15-20

[prisma crane]

S1 tier is awful

go with the ilvl

[mighty valley]

15-20 overall item levels is massive lol

[vocal flame]

ah ok, I wanted to follow what Nom said with the 4pc 2pc 2pc but I think mine were just bad lol

[mighty valley]

Yeah that’s more aimed at people who were pretty much geared out in s1

[vocal flame]

ooo ok, thank you!

[prisma crane]

anyone have a Light's Devotion WA?

[strong forum]

As prot I fully replaced my tierset now with basic 649-655 non-tier

[vocal flame]

Mine was around 610 replacing with 635 I think lol

i didnt do much S1

any idea why it would sim so much better without the tier? maybe i have the wrong settings

[toxic pewter]

this trash ball boss in insufferable

people keep rolling into the crabs and shit

[mighty valley]

S1 tier not that strong, 25 ilvls very strong, that’s all there is to it

[strong forum]

Cuz the s1 tierset is generally awful

It's a 2 time conditional with extremely minor gain

5% SS dmg if it was reset

10% revenge/tc dmg for 8 sec if SS crit

That's like almost 1% dmg gain!!

[toxic pewter]

would you just say screw it and pop on 645 gear

cuz i got lot of 645

screw it im just gonna do that

[jagged gust]

#protection message

[raw parcel]

So the nerfs today, effectively would that mean that keys will feel like a level lower now? About that?

[prisma crane]

how do i get rid of the red circles in the water in flood gate?

[vocal flame]

I know this is still a lot wasted but so much better than I used to be. Over 1k+ lol

[feral zealot]

Thank you for this info ❤️

[pale badge]

same, and it was a considerable dps + stam gain

[pale badge]

yeah I did and it was good

And I had 639 in every tier slot for the most part

[toxic pewter]

yeah feels good to me too

[cerulean burrow]

mightve been asked but havent looked in here in quite a few days; when is it worth for us to break season 1 tier set? is it worth even for just ilvl upgrades?

[prisma crane]

yes

[cerulean burrow]

actually though..?

[prisma crane]

yes

maybe not like 3 ilvls obv

[cerulean burrow]

right but like hero chest and hero legs worth breaking 4 set for?

[prisma crane]

idk how many times i have to say yes

[cerulean burrow]

it just feels like bait

[prisma crane]

then why ask the question

[cerulean burrow]

lmaol

[mighty valley]

Sim it and the sim will say “yes”

[cerulean burrow]

yeah thats what made me want to ask the question cuz it is telling me to swap.. appreciate the inpuit

[prisma crane]

its because the S1 set is just really not good

[small steeple]

s1 set was total trash

like 0.5% damage

[floral trail]

is it worth to wear 636 embellishment (crit lining) wrist/tail instead of 652/655 pieces?

[cerulean tusk]

655 will just make your more tanky through armor, str and stamina - so I would just go for that. Crit lining might be optimal DPS, that would be a sim question, but more mainstats just will be my go-to just make life easier

[cerulean burrow]

ahhhh okay that makes sense

[lusty grotto]

0 warrior tier pieces from normal

0 dropped

we're doing heroic tomorrow

feelsbadman

[cerulean tusk]

Do some m+, I will send you some of my loot luck

[lusty grotto]

i mean if only i could get another hero slot

i have some hero gloves at least

not even sure if i should burn both cata charges

[cerulean tusk]

I wouldn't, I would save them for the overtime Mythic gear from Vault upgrades

[jagged gust]

inaction is a crime

burn your charges

[cerulean tusk]

HC gear you will prob just get from the raid this or next week either way

so pretty meh

[jagged gust]

90% of my catalyst uses last season were for transmogs

[toxic pewter]

season 1 tier suck ass no one will miss it

i already forgot wat it did

another season, another me ripping aggro off of pretty much every pug tank

some things never change

[prime sphinx]

Crazy they nerfing m+ actually
Thought this was probs the easiest of the last 2 expacs

[small steeple]

lmao wasn't dfs3 and dfs4 super easy?

[toxic pewter]

are dk's doing bad damage these days or what? im doubling the other tanks dam right now

[small steeple]

in m+ or raid? either way not really

[toxic pewter]

heroic raid

[lusty grotto]

can anyone show me the stats on ToP and ML shields since wowhead is ass to scale up to good levels? nvm i got the filters from nome's guide

or maybe im just stupid

oh

they added an M+ level

nice

ok this does nothing

[toxic pewter]

dang really this dude must be not pressing any relevant buttons

jeeze...

[broken cove]

crafting wep is the way to go right?

[lusty grotto]

no

shield or embelishment

depending on your vault

[broken cove]

awe

[lusty grotto]

we've never gone crafted weapon first

[broken cove]

big dam no?

[lusty grotto]

sure but the other slots are better

if youre not likely to get a myth weapon then go for it, but not having a myth shield can hurt you pushing keys

or progging mythic

all 3 slots are important so its entirely up to you

[pallid quiver]

just simply craft a weapon shield

[lusty grotto]

true

[brittle fulcrum]

is it worth taking battering ram

i just got 4 set

[pallid quiver]

Swap racv for it

[wooden widget]

Anodized bracers are doodoo?

[main walrus]

hello tanks ! for this trinket what dose it mean "increase vere's effectiveness " and do i need to have more vers to make it better ? currently have 8%/4% vers :/

[mighty valley]

It’s not referring to Versatility, don’t worry

It’s just flavor stuff — like it’s talking about verses of a poem

[onyx vessel]

Only 6%

So it buffs the effect then

[main walrus]

yeaaah i read it wrong, i do need more vers than that tho right ? having hard time on +7 s with tyranical

i imagine i will have more trouble with foritifed @_@

[mighty valley]

Nah, stat spread isn’t that important, a lot of people gear haste + crit and do just fine

[main walrus]

yeaaah ... i just gotta get gud ._.

[pallid quiver]

Most of your survival comes from play. If you do have issues, just getting ilvl at all is the biggest gain gear wise. Optimizing secondaries is miniscule in comparison

Also, for gear, shield ilvl is the most impactful as the only source of block value

[mighty valley]

play >> ilvl >>>>>>> stat optimization

[main walrus]

100% i'm gradually getting better at surviving as i learn the dungeons, but first boss priory of sacred flame i just couldn't servive that, and trash pulls in floodgate

i'm ashamed to say i even changed to the last mid talent the one that procs on dropping health, and yet i couldn't survive the bleeds

so i thought the trinket would help me with that

but halas, it was i who was the estupido

[pallid quiver]

First boss priory is a bad time, since it's one of the few times where there's both tank damage and party damage going out

they're supposed to, like, not do that

It's still possible to go through since it's not "the tank is fucking dying" tank damage like other tank heal checks,

[mighty valley]

They just did some big nerfs, not sure when they went in

[pallid quiver]

But it'll absolutely pressure healers and tanks who aren't fully ready

They were hotfixes iirc so already

[main walrus]

i tried like 3 hours ago

then gave up and went back to finishing all 6 timed

once i got the trinket from a +6

[mighty valley]

it’s week 1 and this season we’re more reliant on healers in some situations than last season

[main walrus]

BIG HEALS ON FUCKING ME !

that's what i was shouting

[mighty valley]

everyone’s learning the dungeons and gearing still, everything will get easier

[pallid quiver]

The problem with that before hotfixes is the party also often needed healing at the same point

depends on the lieutenant you leave alive ofc, since some do more damage on tank

[mighty valley]

dps players take at least 30 wipes to a boss before they learn when to pop defensives

[main walrus]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/massive-mythic-nerfs-10-global-nerf-to-health-damage-and-more-375701

if these changes were live before i tried floodgate and priory, i'm sad

[jagged pier]

Well your supposed to killl all the ppl first so there arent 2 of them

[pallid quiver]

well yes

that should be expected

if you don't, you mega die now

They buffed the group buff iirc if there's more than just one during PTR

[main walrus]

yeah i always go left and leave the little mounted dude with the boss

[jagged pier]

U want to go right

Its easier as u get the fire mage instead

[pallid quiver]

So there should be boss + 1 lieu, generally one of the ones with the long CC casts since Shaynemail is annoying to not pull; you'll generally go right because it's the easiest to deal with as a whole

[jagged pier]

And u can sr cinderblast

[pallid quiver]

^^^

[main walrus]

i will try that then

[pallid quiver]

Left side puts extra tank damage on, as a heads up

[main walrus]

not so scared to try again now that i have a new strat

thank you i appreciate you both

have a good day

[pallid quiver]

Also, going right makes the group damage avoidable instead of unavoidable

[jagged pier]

Just domt listen to pugs i was in a 7 where the healer refused to go right

[pallid quiver]

that healer is crazy

[main walrus]

i listned to quazi T_T

[jagged pier]

Then pinged the forst noss too attack, then blame me we did it with a guy

[pallid quiver]

The only thing I don't like going right is the trash around there pats more iirc

[sharp olive]

Can you still get a tier token for each
2000 M+
Heroic Galli Kill
1600 rating

[jagged pier]

U get a catalyst charge now

[safe mango]

What do people consider the best defensive trinkets for this season?
I'm only a part time tank so my priority is making sure I don't die.
Keen to see people suggestions from m+/delves as well as raid

[supple meadow]

#1269008454576504833 message

you can also see the grading for trinkets on wowhead here: https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear

[dense remnant]

Is there a decent prot warrior that streams m+ and/or raid just to get a feel of what some smarter players are doing?

Mainly things like gathering pulls and movement in new content

[supple meadow]

Nome probably. Idk when he streams tho

touchpadwarrior is pretty good and does m+ a lot.

[wooden widget]

Hey guys are the weird bracers from mechegon any good?

[supple meadow]

sim yoself foo

also if you can get everforged vambraces asap as they're bis

[naive panther]

those bracers suck

I simmed them super low @wooden widget no clue how good they are defensively, but back in the day no one used them.

Just timed first 10 TOP, it's nice when a group is solid and blast through stuff. Prot feels really good right now.

[river phoenix]

When playing colossus is it worth unbinding ip to ss? Im finding myself extremely rage starved in some pulls

[pallid quiver]

you're

you're doing it the wrong way

you throw SS on your IP bind so that you snipe shield slam resets from time to time when you press IP

you attach nothing to your SS bind

[river phoenix]

That… makes so much more sense

Does demo shout also generate threat?

Im struggling to build threat on pulls properly

Playing colossus

[pallid quiver]

It used to way back in the day, it may even do so now

it is not at all a meaningful amount if so, like an auto from a mage will outpace it

You should almost always have access to some CD or other at the start of a pull as Colo between Rav (assuming new tier yet to be obtained), Shield Charge, Demolish, and even just slamming revenge since it does so much damage as Colo

You can fill for times you don't have those with an AOE taunt use

If people are pulling aggro while you're gathering, really, that's on them

if their tank flying off in a direction is not a signal of "I don't really have aggro", they're the type of person who would have been eaten by a bear were it not for modern convenience

[river phoenix]

Is the opener on wowhead still true for aoe opener?

[pallid quiver]

Our rotation as a whole doesn't vary too much in ST or AOE due to SS being so important (you can opt to send revenge over TC in AOE as Colo as the only real notable change), so yeah

You'll throw ravager once you're ready to settle down

[river phoenix]

Do you still want to use tc for aoe rend or is revenge deepwounds just better

[pallid quiver]

So say you're gathering three packs:

3

1 2

You'd aggro 1+2 somehow, and ravager on 3, dragging them into there

You still use TC as colo in AOE since it applies rend,

But if you're optimizing like that, you mostly only use TC to catch you up on rage if you get low or to reapply rend

Colo buffs revenge a large amount, particularly in AOE, so you're heavily incentivized to press it in that way

You can still be just fine following the standard SS > TC > Revenge once you've gotten aggro, though

[river phoenix]

Yea im still juggling when to use ip over revenge, a stacked ip doesnt feel that amazing over just doing damage

[pallid quiver]

In large scale AOE, Colo sustains itself off of the revenge damage; with brutal vit, that actually fuels your IPs, as well

Since you're spending rage to get outbursts, which also apply IP when used

So you're still going to have IP if you don't press it; your prio is to always ensure you have no dead GCDs by having enough rage to keep sending Revenge, allowing you to get more SS off. That'll end up giving you more IP over time, as well

[river phoenix]

Right, i need to update my wa’s and maybe read talents then

Appreciate that

[pallid quiver]

If you're looking for WA stuff, I do recommend just hijacking at least the logic behind Nomeratur's weakauras

It's even adjustable between Thane and Colo and pretty much walks you through what buttons to press and when

All you need to do is actually manage your rage at that point

[hollow sphinx]

did someone already update the spellreflection WA? seems like it doesnt get loaded correctly

[lusty coyote]

Anyone remember what the good Keystonetimer weakaura is called ?

[hollow sphinx]

m+ timer

[amber wedge]

Prot is actually cranking, especially Colossus. Playing itf with low haste feels rough though

[swift elk]

Yeah, I am still playing HR over ITF just because my haste sucks with the gear I have been getting

Might not be the right call, but having to think about when to let Shield Block drops doesn't sound like zug or zug.

[rancid tiger]

Its supposed to be the play?

[novel temple]

I really wish execute still gave colossus might stacks

It'd be the perfect hero talent tree

[shy python]

I like leaping into 3, charging back to 2, Revenge, Charge to 1, all other AoE stuff.

[untold minnow]

Tome of Light's Devotion when i use this tr at 50??? only

[still orbit]

Hello how do i deal with the corridor creeper in darkflame cleft?

[sharp steppe]

You can spellblock, leap, wall, spell reflect. Hope for parry’s hehe. also move him away from dead corpses cause every dead corpse nearby is 10% damage increase

[still orbit]

i will try thank you for the answer

[tall lance]

Shield slam damage are coming from shield and demolish from weapon ?

[iron vale]

how feel about wrists with use'

[verbal venture]

Crafted gear count for crest discount?

[broken cove]

How do ppl play the Creepers in the last part of DFC? Making sure they're not buffed is easy, but the dot still slams like a truck above 10 stacks

[bold turret]

Make sure you're not standing on corpses

I've been ending up kiting

[iron vale]

why not on corpses»

?

[main walrus]

i did come back to a +8, went right side it was a lot easier for first boss, timed it and got rewarded with the same trinket + leech lol, thank you again for help you and @jagged pier

[velvet vessel]

On Droptimizer it is showing me as the Knuckles being by far the strongest 1h weapon and raid upgrade in general), but in the BIS section of the guide it is not there (or for the Puzzling Cartel Chips later in the season). Is dropping the secondary stat just not worth it or is there something else going on?

[river phoenix]

Corpses give a damage buff

[neon elk]

In top first boss who is best to kill first ?

[broken cove]

dmg buff or not, the dot slaps - especially with the double pack(s)

[shy python]

Why do I get rejected from 6er/7er keys with ilvl 642? Could't get into 20+ groups straight.

[river phoenix]

Because you’re not a vdh

[jagged pier]

i dont know have no issue

ios probably low

[odd pike]

could be your server too

[buoyant sparrow]

Morning all. How friendly is prot warrior for a newbie ( long time tank, first playing warrior)

[sweet girder]

are we using tome of lights devotion for the crit portion?

[jagged pier]

in raid yer

[chrome falcon]

it's pretty easy, you can take a bunch of extra defensive talents if you suck and die a lot

but then transition to playing more aggro

there are a few noob traps but mostly it's pretty common sense

[buoyant sparrow]

Thank ya!

[mild river]

I don't apply. I do my own keys always, so I don't get frustrated because I'm not a vdh or pally

[austere latch]

What server? I've had no issues getting 8s and 9s at 634 ill. The tank drought is real lol

[timber arrow]

At what point would it be worth breaking my s1 4 piece tier set for some big non-tier s2 upgrades in tier slots?
From s1 2 of my Tier pieces are 6/6 Myth (639) and 2 are 4/6 Hero (619) pieces. I have a few s2 (non-Tier) Champion and Hero pieces I could put on (e.g. new s2 Legs could go to 658 easily)

[leaden grail]

You sim until off pieces provide more dps. There is no other answer. Make sure you dont waste crests upgrading low heroic path or something, upgrading to 645 uses trash crests that can be thrown at basically anything

[polar wedge]

are Mecagon wrists any good?

[shy python]

Naah near 1800 now did some 6 and 7 keys.
Got instant invites in S1 every time

[shy python]

Arthas

[mild river]

That's a good question. I would bet it's trash but I'm no scientist

[halcyon orchid]

Don't know if it's been mentioned but last boss in ToP, her Reaping scythe ability. Did they intentionally change it to not trigger spell reflect? We had some good damage on that fight in SL

[shy python]

I bet this was mit intended in SL

[glass trench]

anyone know where i can get a serviceable shield if i am arms but off tanking is it worth just using first spark to craft one shince shield is so important

[rancid tiger]

Any key?

Set spec to prot

[chrome falcon]

yeah this class feels kinda ridiculous rn

first boss theatre topping the meter

[brittle fulcrum]

how much faith should I put in bloodmallet for trinkets?

[rancid tiger]

Sim ya selg

[brittle fulcrum]

just for a general rule to farm for

[rancid tiger]

Bis lists

Prob better then

[brittle fulcrum]

kk

[cunning knot]

What trinkets do we want for M+

[copper bane]

I am seeing all of the top performers run colossus, is it because of the extra DMG maybe?

[upbeat plover]

At what point/ilvl do we replace the old mythic tier with new gear/tier?

[topaz leaf]

first boss prio with the ember guy is rough. any tips?

can I reflect his judgement or something?

[strong forum]

Nop

Just get healed

That fight is extremely healer dependant

Use your SWs for overlaps, tell healer to dispel you 0.1 of judgement

[mild river]

If u have competent players at interrupting stuff, you can always go right and face boss + caster. So it's like zero damage if you do that if I remember well.

[obtuse egret]

What would you say is better to use, a 639 sacbrood or 525 signet from priory? Thinking that the haste and strength helps a lot to survive

[austere latch]

So you guys messing around with Colossus or is everyone still playing Thane?

[jagged pier]

pretty much everyones playing colossus

[toxic pewter]

wtf is this

this trinket pretty garbage right? no pun intended

is 1.9 mil damage even any good on a 2 min cd

and gotta wait 10 sec for the shit to fall down lol

ehhhhhh

what a shit hero item to get

[hollow sphinx]

do we put loot specification on fury, even in m+?

[toxic pewter]

reference this post regarding loot spec: #protection message

it basically applies to m+ or any content really and vault of course

[strong forum]

Yes sir this is literal garbage

[toxic pewter]

unlucky

[median kayak]

Does anybody know a Working Version of this wa for s2 ?

https://wago.io/9544JVdgk

[vale escarp]

did a Thane key today (forgot to switch away from Raidspec KEKW) and it was fine too

[formal elbow]

hello dear prot pals: 1 question: why does the colossus raid st/cleave build does not go into ravager anymore? would it be not nicer for aoe dmg then? https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/colossus/DAOAVVBRFQhIVIpRUBANVUVFRERFVZVRQDVQAEFVVUBU

[vale escarp]

because Battering Ram is better with 4set but you can go for Ravager if you want

[formal elbow]

ah i see it, sadly i have no new t-piece yet..but that makes sense..thank you pal 🙂

[rancid tiger]

But rav early = good ghen id guess

[ember sinew]

Hey y'all trying to pick up a tank for M+ this season and was considering prot warrior, how has it been feeling this season so far?

[obtuse egret]

man prot slaps as colossus!! so much fun

[dense hill]

Snagged Omni token out of raid but no other tokens, takes on sending it + converting a piece for 2p or wait two days for vault?

[jagged gust]

4p is the important threshold, 2p is negligible

[idle copper]

I think people will stick with Ravager until the get the 4pc

[umbral loom]

Do i Change to battering ram when i have 4p?

[jagged gust]

yes

[idle copper]

Yep

[dense hill]

Probably hold for vault then, if I get literally any piece of tier I can force 4p with ksm

[jagged gust]

good plan, it's what I'll be holding out for as well

[umbral loom]

Cool. I hate rvager

[vocal flame]

I want this to be around 90% right? blocked hits

[umbral loom]

How frequent ist the 4p proc?

[jagged gust]

100% blocked hits is the goal, but sub 10% is a good starting place

[small steeple]

@strong forum can you help me with this?

[jagged gust]

~1ppm

[umbral loom]

Uh that cool

In m+ prob more offen.

Often*

[jagged gust]

1ppm is 1ppm

[small steeple]

means in 1 minute it will proc once

[formal elbow]

ok thanks 🙂

[violet ginkgo]

only 1 ppm? hmm... that is kind of low right?

[strong forum]

ill have a look at it

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try this

this is my sudden death weakaura but with just your sound added

yours seemed unnecessarily complicated

[urban portal]

Looked at blocked hits not blocked damage

[small steeple]

Thanks Ill try that out. I used the arms one as a baseline for mine

[strong forum]

4 or 5 different triggers when you could manage it all with just conditions

[lament musk]

prot is pretty strong

[pearl herald]

ekkelt

[strong forum]

mustve been a giga pull priory route

[jagged gust]

Just consider it as a proc that resets the CD of SC once per minute. It's not game-changing, but it's nice enough

[hollow sphinx]

what? what im doing wrong, im sitting on 1.5-1.8 😄

[lament musk]

cinderbrew

i still use 639 mainhand xd

shield too but yeah

[small steeple]

Did you pull the whole first room at once? lmao

[lament musk]

nah

half then chewie then half

[hollow sphinx]

doesnt matter, u have to keep up that dps....

how u guys finishing dungeons dps wise

[strong forum]

by killing stuff quickly

you keep high overall!

if your key is slow its shit overall

[strong forum]

im still 645 equipped 0 tier no new trinkets

highest ive had is only like 2.6mil

[dense hill]

I'm still trying to figure out if I like the capo weapon

Regardless of sims, feels funny

[tardy oak]

prot in good state?

[small steeple]

.

[formal elbow]

i like the colossus hero tree, not so spammy as mountain thane

[hollow sphinx]

so what is the rotation when AoE'ing. Just press Revenge?:D Seems like dealing the most dmg for me.

[tardy oak]

on raider.io all top ones are paladins though

pala tank looking better than war tank?

[small steeple]

SS>Revenge>TC if need rage basically

[frosty scarab]

at what point do we drop our season 1 tier set bonuses? cant find anything about it in any guide

[small steeple]

Right away

[frosty scarab]

so ilvl wins it all\

basically

[small steeple]

yeah s1 tier was like at most 0.5% damage if that

[frosty scarab]

ah okay, thanks for the answer!

[toxic pewter]

my nerf sense is tingling

they gonna giga nerf us

just have a feeling its coming

[hollow sphinx]

even over demolish?

[small steeple]

Demolish is separate, those were the 3 rotational spells.

[toxic pewter]

wat u guys craft

[pallid quiver]

or you repeatedly mash your face into that same mega pull like fifteen times, lasting long enough to do damage, but not enough to kill anything, making disproportionately more of your damage be on mass pulls instead of an even distribution

[agile elbow]

Both are good. Paladin just has infinitely more utility.

[ornate thicket]

how far off in performance is mountain thane from colossus in m+

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/r8EVEVh.png

dk also pretty strong

[glossy jungle]

Swapping over to PWar from brew for raid, im assuming wowhead/icy-veins talents are more geared towards having 4 set. Is there a string or something someone can point me to to see a decent set up for talents w/o set?

[strong forum]

tierset doesnt change talents

can safely use the wowhead talents

[glossy jungle]

tyty!

[pallid quiver]

tierset doesn't change talents when he was yelling us to swap ravager for battering ram smh

[strong forum]

nobody been yellin

[agile elbow]

I don't think ive ever seen nome type in all caps before

Fake news

[pallid quiver]

Also, it feels good seeing pictures of DPS above tanks. I keep getting told that Prot War is bugged and that I should feel stupid for playing it by pugs I end up with

[small steeple]

Skill issue on the pugs and dps

[pallid quiver]

It 100% is

[strong forum]

mostly posting this so people can stop thinking that pwar is only tank doing damage

[small steeple]

Like just because all of the fotm vdh don't do damage doesn't mean vdh doesn't do damage. They literally all run the lowest damage vdh build too

[raw parcel]

Well I feel dumb doing my myth craft pre-nerf xD I figured there was 0% chance I'd be doing a 10 this week. I was mistaken.

[prime sphinx]

gears getting fucking cranked

[small steeple]

you got a titan of industry....

and tome

bro

[raw parcel]

😠

My envy is intense. Tried like 12 runs for either of those trinkets, gotten neither.

Instead I got the big red button. No one wants the big red button.

[prime sphinx]

theres only 6 loots in priory it aint that bad to farm

[small steeple]

i got Signet of the Priory.... good trinket but its not tome 😦

[formal elbow]

i won the trinket from rik at lfr..kinda funny trinket, lots of haste

[jagged gust]

2min cd feelsbadman

least we can cope with tome having been nerfed

[supple meadow]

I don't think I've seen nome use capital letters lmao

[charred lodge]

When are folks breaking 4 set?

[supple meadow]

Big red button is big red poop

[supple meadow]

as soon as you get something better

s1 tier is super poop

[charred lodge]

10-4 good bye tier and hello hero track m+ gear

[raw parcel]

I have to use the big red button, it's 30 ilvl higher than my old one ><

And yes, I know it's a big red turd. That's why I have tried to farm priory ;~;

[small steeple]

Best ring is from ToP right?

And Neck is from uhhh

cinder?

[urban portal]

2+2

[buoyant sparrow]

Is MT tankier than Col?

(sorry dont know the abbreviations)

[strong forum]

miniscule amounts

[agile elbow]

Spellreflect Essentials is finally updated. Yahoooo.

[charred lodge]

Woo

[lament musk]

darkflame cleft

[supple meadow]

has anyone done underpin on either difficulty yet

[jagged gust]

? yes, ?? no

?? Is absolute bullshit

[broken cove]

hilarious how Ignore Pain is not used for defensive purposes in this scenario, only to prevent rage cap

[edgy patrol]

Anyone playing colossus in 10+? How is the micro/survivability?

[chrome falcon]

is there ever a situation where one of the shockwave talents in colossus is better than the other

[supple meadow]

I can't even get him to half health. There's so much movement.

[chrome falcon]

i've timed every 10 and a top 11 with colossus only and it feels giga free

thane might be giga free too but

colossus feels very chill unless you're pulling 5+ packs for a BL pull

[supple meadow]

I fuck up and get hit by the molten balls

[broken cove]

you think Thane is better for omegapulling in priory and meadery?

[chrome falcon]

idk about priory but meadery probably yeah

[jagged gust]

Honestly I didn't even realize you could kick the bombs at the adds until I did ??, I just aoe'd them down in ?

[mighty valley]

https://tenor.com/view/byrnedavid-dancing-partyhard-talking-heads-gif-8766748912154929337

[chilly brook]

Makin me look bad, my best so far was just under 2.4m in Priory

[chrome falcon]

bro why is your warrior bar that colour

[jagged gust]

This is not my beautiful rage economy!

[chilly brook]

Too many warriors in my raid so changed it

[supple meadow]

he's a pretty princess

[broken cove]

im kinda feeling vulnerable without ignore pain up tho

[chrome falcon]

ok based

[chilly brook]

Picked a color that wasn’t taken by any class

[mighty valley]

you’ll be more vulnerable if you overspend rage and can’t keep pressing buttons for ss resets

[chrome falcon]

i need tier so bad man

i'm trying to push over 2m details

but i have no tier and 2 defensive raid trinkets

[chilly brook]

2 piece only for me

[supple meadow]

I haven't even got one piece of tier yet

[chilly brook]

But it seems like 2 piece is a pretty nice upgrade in terms of damage

[chrome falcon]

i have full hero gear in every tier slot but i know if i send my catalyst charges i'm gonna get punished by vault

[broken cove]

i mean ofc i try to prevent cap as much as possible, but not having some ignore pain in packs feels yikes

[chilly brook]

I looted a war bound tier piece on my evoker

Sent it to the warrior

[chrome falcon]

we're gonna have like 2 hours on gally tomorrow so i'm prayge we kill that and i can yoink a curio

[chilly brook]

And used one catalyst on gloves that dropped from a 10

Not spending the other catalyst charge until next week when/if I have 3 piece

[broken cove]

i did 2.1M in priory and 2M in rookery as 642 with s1 tier

very doable

[chrome falcon]

yeah i think i've hit like 2.1-2.2 in some of the pad keys but i'm tryna JUICE

i'm 651 i should be turbo blasting

[chilly brook]

Broke 2.4k io last night so tryin to climb

[broken cove]

ye go pump

[chrome falcon]

yeah i think i'm gonna go for 3k this season should be super free

[broken cove]

pog spell reflect WA fixed

[chrome falcon]

now that there's a mount and an achi

[chilly brook]

Man I’m like 645 lmao

[chrome falcon]

i sent craft on shield

[chilly brook]

I can’t

As much as I’d like to

[chrome falcon]

myth shield is from rik which might not die for a few weeks

and i don't wanna be using hero shield in 3 weeks like

[chilly brook]

I’m just going to be a token Andy for shield when it comes out

Since I’m dps in raid

[chrome falcon]

isn't that ages away

or unconfirmed

[chilly brook]

11.1.5

Whenever that happens

In the meantime I’m pushing IO as tank with whatever I get

[pallid quiver]

Just ninja and gquit, it's so ez

[chilly brook]

I mean more or less saying I’m stuck using crafts on DPS stuff

In the short term until crests aren’t so tight

[pallid quiver]

Just hack blizz servers and modify your number of sparks and crests, it's so ez

[chrome falcon]

play SMF and craft 1h weapon

[chilly brook]

[pallid quiver]

Matta and me, shitpost extraordinaires

[chrome falcon]

kinda cringe having a cantrip shield tbh

surely myth track shield is better than hc gally shield

so hc gally shield is just useless

and then idc about it when gally dies

so wtf is the point?

[pallid quiver]

It is, yeah, myth track being better than hc gally

[chrome falcon]

even if hc gally is more dps

[pallid quiver]

I wouldn't be surprised if damage wise it's beaten out

[chrome falcon]

gimping shield ilvl is griefing

[pallid quiver]

My only issue is that it's stuck on last boss

Feels real bad if you're not a shield using character in a high-end mythic guild

That wording came out awkward

If you're a shield character in a guild that isn't high end mythic, it feels bad

Since if you only get access to it late season, woohoo

[chrome falcon]

i mean

yeah

but also

idc about gear from last boss ever

[round pendant]

Love how peak hour happens and wow just shits the bed

[chrome falcon]

last boss is dead, why do i need more gear

[chrome falcon]

is it bad even outside the raid?

the raid was kinda crazy at like 6:30pm on wednesday

i think all the rep drops for warbands was kinda breaking the servers

[pallid quiver]

That's a good chunk if the issue with having really good stuff off last boss in raid. Raiders give less of a shit, and it only affects M+ players and PvP players sometimes who potentially have to fuel the raid wagon to do the content they actually like

[chrome falcon]

tbh i think it's kind of a unique issue for shields

a good cantrip heroic weapon will be better than a myth weapon, until you get myth cantrip weapon

same with trinkets and jewellry

but literally nothing matters on shield apart from ilvl, it's kinda the only piece like that

[small steeple]

not for like holy paladin or shaman

block doeos shit for them

[pallid quiver]

unless you pvp, in which case refer to my above statement

[mighty valley]

there are players who aotc raid but don’t do much m+

[chrome falcon]

surely you can get 60 gilded for a myth crafted

especially now that 7s drop gilded and are so easy

[mighty valley]

you might as well say “normal raid gear is pointless”

[balmy oasis]

What do ppl craft as first item ?

[chrome falcon]

i made a shield

it depends on your raiding level though

[balmy oasis]

only m+ tbh

[chrome falcon]

make a shield

[small steeple]

Gonna wait for vault, if I get a shield great, ill make a weapon, otherwise Ima make a shield

[neon elk]

Im personaly waiting for first vault at least

[chrome falcon]

^ that's fair too

i crafted week 1 to push hard for hc mugzee/gally and first boss mythic but if you're just vibing then you should chill until vault

[lyric fern]

I sent my spark on my weapon because I want more damage and I do not fear god

(also it has ascension)

[small steeple]

@lyric fern has ascended

[charred ivy]

on 2nd boss motrherload is there smt special tank need do there ? except like move abit so floor clear?

[cyan bronze]

hi guys can someone send me their build for 2h prot warrior!

[long bone]

Did they change something regarding shield block? Im not having as much uptime as I used to in S1? It's not too bad, uptime is still 88% on a dungeon run but it used to be 95+ %

[small steeple]

trying to import this rn, giving me an error decompressing

[sharp gale]

i have a build for 1 button prot war

[proven stratus]

This isn't Classic lmao

[cyan bronze]

was that my question

[cyan bronze]

please give now

[blazing condor]

i have a build for 2 buton pwarr

alt + f4

[proven stratus]

Power Button

Just hold