Like 30-35% with itf
#protection
dusky canopy
hey arent we supposed to get a 2nd cata charge at 2k achieve?
hot shale
That’s where I’m struggling, I mostly use 1-6 plus the same keys with the shift 1-6 then have 3 buttons on my mouse
long bronze
I personally have to be super careful about modifiers on my spam buttons
hot shale
R t f g as well I use but that’s only 19 keys total
hot shale
like shift 1,2,3 are banned
How come?
Just accidentally yeet something with them?
I did something similar with rallying cry earlier 😅
long bronze
cuz I'll be mashing 1 for SS and if I shift-somethinng I'll certainly also hit shift-1
unborn island
What are people crafting first? Weapon or shield...and presumably best is to wait until after seeing what's in vault?
hollow tusk
ive played with charge on 1 forever, now i feel so dumb that i cant use it for smth else
lusty grotto
SS is always prio
vague abyss
honestly idk, i got lucky with a one handed axe, so i would probably craft shield next week depending of what the vault gives
hollow tusk
SS is always prio
thanks
small steeple
@strong forum for raid, any fight that has more than 1 target go col right? And no point not going execute if it’s not mythic difficulty right? So that leaves Mug, Gallyix and one other to do as thane right?
long bronze
That’s where I’m struggling, I mostly use 1-6 plus the same keys with the shift ...
consider - ` (button next to 1), q, e, r, t, f, g, z, x, c, v, b, f1, f2, f3, f4 + any modifiers of these keys
hot shale
consider - ` (button next to 1), q, e, r, t, f, g, z, x, c, v, b, f1, f2, f3, f4...
Will do, thanks ☺️
Just felt like way too many different buttons
small steeple
Isn’t Rik pure single target? Or does he have adds spawn?That’s why I’m asking.
hot shale
First dungeon I didn’t even use shield block for the first half because I am an ape
pallid quiver
Colo and Thane are also fairly close in ST if Execute isn't major
small steeple
Execute on thane in st is higher yeah?
long bronze
thane just feels safer due to the extra rage, but col is going to do more damage, probably
it is yeah, but not like massively
small steeple
First dungeon I didn’t even use shield block for the first half because I am an ...
But but think of all the ss damage you missed
pallid quiver
It is, but if the phase isn't long or no damage amps, it won't have time to be better
vocal flame
I have not capped as much cause of spamming revenge. Sometimes I totally forget about IP, prob not a good thing
long bronze
SB is a damage cd
hot shale
But but think of all the ss damage you missed
After I realised I was more concerned with my healers mental health, he still hasn’t spoken to me since that run 😅 I think I broke him
small steeple
After I realised I was more concerned with my healers mental health, he still ha...
The warrior body is the true shield
hot shale
I’m going to slam some more keys after work and hopefully get my head around it
See how many guild healers I can break
long bronze
at least you're trying to improve which puts you in a better spot than some
set a goal of maximizing SB uptime and see how you do
hot shale
I need to get some weak auras to, haven’t done that yet. Mostly just getting used to the abilities
long bronze
and don't forget liberal use of shield wall, at least keep one charge on CD if nothing else
hot shale
set a goal of maximizing SB uptime and see how you do
Yeah, I want to keep ontop of using ignore pain too
long bronze
ignore pain is a stretch goal
hot shale
Ahh I see I see
long bronze
the 2nd you use an ignore pain that should have been a shield block you're net negative
long bronze
shield block is the best active mitigation in the gam elol
obviously not for magic damage
urban portal
Execute on thane in st is higher yeah?
Should be
hot shale
and don't forget liberal use of shield wall, at least keep one charge on CD if n...
I was using this as my main defensive during the key to be fair
long bronze
shield block both increases your damage output via shield slam, and massively reduces incoming physical damage, and even magic damage when you spell block in addition to shield block. You should have as close to 100% uptime as possible
what you're looking for in logs in "blocked hits" under melee damage taken
for figuring out your effective uptime
long bronze
keen ember
If i have 2 Cat charges, with 2 pieces of heroic gear, is it worth breaking Nerubar 4 set for Undermine tier 2 set?
long bronze
yes but it's up to you if you want to do that before vault or raid
it's potentially worth it to break 4 set just for ilvl
keen ember
yes but it's up to you if you want to do that before vault or raid
our splits are pretty much done and im in tank prison so doubt ill be getting much from raid
long bronze
it was for me, 23 ilvl on gloves was more dps than 4 set
keen ember
Fair ty 😄
Also any guidance on sending craft on a weapon at the start of the season or hold crafts for the first week or 2?
keen ember
you'd craft shield before weapon
even if you have heroic track shield from m+?
Just curious on breakpoints for crafts and where to investigate stuff
long bronze
I'm probably going to make shield with my first set of gilded crests
I have heroic wep and shield rn
I'd replace a crafted shield with mythic gally shield so that's gonna be basically locked in safe craft
keen ember
I'd replace a crafted shield with mythic gally shield so that's gonna be basical...
So crafted shield > Heroic Gally Shield > Normal Gally shield?
sand geode
so shield or wep then
long bronze
the effect on gally shield is not that big I don't think
it's just dps, you can sim it
keen ember
ty!
long bronze
ty!
casual sim between myth gally, myth rix, and crafted as far as DPS
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jhhmBD3ZxE8U6eAaeNJmbZ
The main reason we go shield first is defensive value, and the two mythics will be the same, with the crafted one 3 ilvl worse then mythic
if you factor in you can put dawnthread on the shield for an early gain you also get some more value there https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/191tiTCmX4oLa4N7xe9P4n
heavy perch
Thanks ❤️
sick sentinel
toxic pewter
anyone know final boss priory we can indeed aggro the adds that run in right? anyone have tips collecting them
really need to save snap aggro stuff for them I guess
lusty grotto
oh you mean the other waves
lusty grotto
yeah i kind of agree gathering mobs as colossus is kinda rough
toxic pewter
its tough situation cuz they running in from both sides
is there a way to make it so they all run in on one side
it happened where they all come in right side
but that happened only like 1 time
shut summit
anyone know final boss priory we can indeed aggro the adds that run in right? an...
those adds fixate, you cant get threat
they kill themselves, group just needs to snare/stun them on stairs
woven radish
Root/stun
fallow wind
anyone know final boss priory we can indeed aggro the adds that run in right? an...
Everyone need to run up the same side, and stack, adds will all come to the group
shut summit
you can stun to help but nothing huge we can do otherwise
fallow wind
And kill the shield asap, adds will stop
fierce cradle
anyone know is capo's molten knuckles any good?
fresh kernel
did the 15% execute nerf affect prot?
toxic pewter
Ok thank you I was thinking I majorly messed up but I really did try to get aggro on them lol
That explains a lot they fixate I thought that’s what they’re doing
neon elk
How strong is priory class buff ? Should i alays try to get one of classes or its like small bonus ?
daring narwhal
~1% damage
neon elk
Damn thats sad
small steeple
The priory sacred well thing? I thought that was a huge buff?
halcyon lance
what talents is recommended for prot now with the new update hope its not a stupid question (i have not played prot warrior for along time)
long bronze
look at the wowhead guide
there are recommended builds for every dungeon and every raid boss
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> ?
dont think so
long bronze
haste is based
strong forum
bis neck already acquired
strong forum
craft a 636 with s1 spark
long bronze
no crests for that?
small steeple
dont think so
thats good
small steeple
bis neck already acquired
is there no haste crit neck? Or is this just so haste heavy?
strong forum
yes
long bronze
crit haste, nom nom nom
ruby musk
I was able to pick up the priory trinkets for magic absorb first shot. Was happy to see the on use doesn't share a CD with other trinkets.
long bronze
you mean for the giga damage right
ruby musk
Yea
ruby musk
I wasn't sure what it was doing at first. I had to reread it a few times.
But it's a nice trinket and the perma bubble around me looks funny when I glide. Like a draconic, plate armor Galinda.
strong forum
they didnt upgrade them? thats unlucky then
ruby musk
I think a weathered crests spark is 629
strong forum
you dont get s1 crests anymore
ruby musk
I didn't mean from S1.
strong forum
dont use 2
tribal wharf
someone who is play the game, recreate doom guys new mog from new game for me, is a pwar i assume
doesnt seem to be paladin cuz he dont use magic
primal lantern
Hello, I can't figure out how to use this macro correctly:
#showtooltip
/cast Ignore Pain
/cast Shield Slam
If you could clarify how it works, that would be great!
long bronze
I think the highest, sparkless craft you can do is 629 with enchanted weathered
s1 sparks don't do shit
629 neck would still be an upgrade, so I'll prolly do that, was dumb to not think about it
tribal wharf
this is what i mean, should be EZ
long bronze
isn't mythic tomb of sargaras kinda close
tribal wharf
one of the recent tier sets recolours is close
long bronze
or heroic
long bronze
idk I think tomb is better 
tribal wharf
thats starter set if you dont have the tomb i guess
long bronze
with the changes to appearance drops working for all armor class types, you can farm the shit outa tomb and get it pretty fast
toxic pewter
hero shield is better than champion gallywix shield right
tribal wharf
this is far far far and away the best transmog warrior has gotten in a very long time
best part is the class wide sets for paladin and dk interact in really nice way
tribal wharf
the sheild i really want for him, is just like, a giant like, gate door type thing made of icicles
lusty grotto
felt bad cause i had a conq pacemaker and brew was in group
tribal wharf
has a bunch of snow and smoke effects, drips maybe
lusty grotto
feelsbadman
round pendant
Anyone elses' logging kinda fucked?
supple meadow
the sheild i really want for him, is just like, a giant like, gate door type thi...
there's something like that in icc
frozen berry
Hello, I can't figure out how to use this macro correctly:
#showtooltip
/cast ...
You use that macro as your ignore pain defensive. You put shield slam into it because in the offchance your shield slam gets reset by doing a melee attack it will auto cast the shield slam making it slightly more APM/efficient
primal lantern
You use that macro as your ignore pain defensive. You put shield slam into it be...
Ok so I replace IP with this macro and use this macro when I need to spend my rage with IP right?
long bronze
yes
primal lantern
okay ! thank you
timber nest
what is making this change? is it the revenge buff?
long bronze
colossus
look at what the talent does (unstoppable force) and then think about how useless TC is for colossus
(mostly useless outside of applying rend)
ancient reef
if we trade crests down does it still count against total
like if i need carved and used runed
long bronze
yes
oak ivy
How the fuck do we live first boss priory
long bronze
also that would be dumb as hell right now
what do you mean
did you not kill the minibosses?
oak ivy
That dot is disgusting
ancient reef
yeah
oak ivy
Heroics are weathered
lusty grotto
you know that if you cap the higher crest
you get the lower one right?
from repeated dungeons
ruby musk
How the fuck do we live first boss priory
Which miniboss did you leave up?
lusty grotto
meaning if youre capped with gilded, you will get runed
from a run that gives you gilded
oak ivy
Which miniboss did you leave up?
Right
ancient reef
no shit
lusty grotto
and if youre capped with runed you get carved
it goes down like that
up until the currency cap for the week
hardy snow
reverb gave sword from hc, shield from nm
long bronze
@strong forum wowhead guide overview has whetstone, consumable page has mana oil FYI
supple meadow
liquid got WF heroic gally lol
vocal cave
is hc one armed bandit only difference that he moves during spin to win ?
and numbers ofc
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> wowhead guide overview has whetstone, consumable page has ...
fixed
long bronze
toxic pewter
a regular hero shield is better than a champion titan of industry shield right
lusty grotto
more block
toxic pewter
ya
lusty grotto
i mean you can up your gally shield
toxic pewter
that damage from that shield doesnt seem to be that good
lusty grotto
well then yea
supple meadow
hi nim
toxic pewter
yes
supple meadow
how goes it
long bronze
the damage is not meaningless but shield block >>> dam
lusty grotto
all good how about you
toxic pewter
the damage is not meaningless but shield block >>> dam
yeah just sucks to lose the damage
supple meadow
having serious fun on prot warr, did a handful of 8 delves last night and one shot them lol
lusty grotto
nice
supple meadow
Considering trying out col
strong forum
i enjoy the new delve
supple meadow
what's different from MT
long bronze
what's different from MT
more revenge less everything else
strong forum
640
supple meadow
I expect nothing less from you lmao
long bronze
nom are you raid tanking this tier or are you still in dps prison
slow halo
are there any weakauras for big tank busters?
slow halo
find a bridge honestly
supple meadow
there are none near me
strong forum
nom are you raid tanking this tier or are you still in dps prison
dps
supple meadow
I've tried
long bronze
general m+ weakauras should have them, you can just add a sound to their condition?
strong forum
cuz the other tanks cant play dps
supple meadow
cuz the other tanks cant play dps
Arms or fury?
pallid quiver
shit does nothing
For the record, it barely did anything to me at 620 ilvl
lusty grotto
most of us are in dps hell anyway
pallid quiver
As long as you're prot, Delves are ez street
lusty grotto
easier to get into guilds
strong forum
always arms
supple meadow
why you don't like fury?
lusty grotto
arms is better
pallid quiver
Nome is a fury hater, though
lusty grotto
same here
pallid quiver
based take
supple meadow
idk I like fury, it feels good
long bronze
big numbers > many numbers, simple as
jagged gust
Arms makes prot in raid feel exciting
jagged gust
2 button ahhh class
lusty grotto
that being said fury is a lot more fluid
arms still feels clunky
even if not playing SKS
supple meadow
yeah fs
lusty grotto
i just fucking hate fury
supple meadow
lmfao
toxic gyro
2 button ahhh class
Don’t tell anyone but as prot for our rotation we press 2 buttons, third occasionally 
lusty grotto
also arms stats are closer to prot
arms is crit > haste
were haste > crit
so
its usually more efficient to gear 2 specs at the same time
than hard focusing on mastery like fury
not saying mastery is bad for us, its not
long bronze
it's just not haste
supple meadow
always arms
how do I set up the interactive rotation thing for colossus?
on wowhead
supple meadow
Don’t tell anyone but as prot for our rotation we press 2 buttons, third occasio...
tc/b - SS into infinity
for thane lol
supple meadow
ok makes sense
I just wanted to be sure
so it's really just replace tc for revenge and press demo
jagged gust
no
It's the same as MT, you just have fewer opportunities to cast TC/SS because of hero talents
so you wind up pressing revenge more often
supple meadow
ok cool
mild river
The last trash packs in darkflame dungeons place a stupid dot on me. The worms to be exact. The dot stack and hit like a truck. I couldn't outrun them. CC does not work as well. You guys have any tip how to deal with it?
lusty grotto
you can parry it
and you can reflect it
reflect into shockwave and step off a bit
and it'll reset
reflect -> shockwave -> leap if necessary to gain distance
mild river
Ok. I was quite sure I tried that but didn't work. Maybe CC was in DR.
Thanks. Will try
lusty grotto
worked for me
and im pretty sure its parryable, cause i did notice it didnt stack a few times
im trying to find out with a log
pallid quiver
I just used cheat engine to protect you, Nim. No harm shall come to you, my friend, even if I must use the dark magicks.
lusty grotto
well logs dont actually say parry on it
but holy fuck i parried a lot
of melees
so idk if its a weird interaction with parry or what
oh im dumb
of course it doesnt say anything, that's a dot tick
so yeah it kinda does seems its applied on melees so its parryable
jade trench
You only need to do a small pack to get past the room anyway
supple meadow
what's your parry %
mighty valley
yeah i feel like routing will strive to do as little as possible in that last room
multiple creepers is rough
long bronze
their buff says a chance to give you a stack on melee but they stack it every hit
I guess 100% chance is still a chance
supple meadow
bro people getting all this good gear and I'm just here like sitting with my one single champ piece
I'm a little offended tbh
umbral kernel
do we know if Cinderbrew Stein is currently bug ? I can't track the buff on my allies
or the tooltip is not accurate
long bronze
it shows up in logs but I maintain that trinket is dogwater
supple meadow
that's worse tbqh
toxic pewter
ret palddin took it
supple meadow
double oof
long bronze
don't play with frost dks
toxic pewter
wasnt frost dk
long bronze
oh that is oof
supple meadow
you just got nabbed by someone who stole your shit for an off spec
toxic pewter
boss loot tables that incentivize 2h dps to swap loot spec is annoying
supple meadow
that's like triple oof
toxic pewter
like they s hould have to make a choice
like lose a 2h weapon or trinket they may want
toxic pewter
you just got nabbed by someone who stole your shit for an off spec
yeah always happens
next yacht
Worth to upgrade or no?
lusty grotto
sure
mighty valley
shield's a shield
long bronze
if you're not going to have a shot at a mythic shield from vault or planning on crafting shield
ruby musk
All my homies wait for dinar shields of industry
mighty valley
in four months time
ruby musk
I am a patient business shark
long bronze
also probably going to be better to dinar a trinket cuz you'll have a myth shield in 4 months but probably not myth rezan's eye
the effect on titan is not that strong
ruby musk
I mean sure
Theres 0 shot id get eye lol
I'm just happy we get an option for purchasable upgrade myth track items
mortal cypress
All my homies wait for dinar shields of industry
what are dinars? I saw that mentioned on wowhead but still have no clue what they are
jagged gust
a token you get that you can trade for bis for free
mild river
what are dinars? I saw that mentioned on wowhead but still have no clue what the...
“Dinar” was a currency introduced at the end of Shadowlands, brought back at the end of Dragonflight, and is coming back again in next season’s raid. If you run the raid enough times next season, you will earn up to two tokens which can each be exchanged for ANY piece of gear that comes from the raid, including the rarest and most-sought-after items that you may not have been lucky enough to get normally.
Bear in mind that Blizzard’s current plan is that these tokens won’t become available until months after the raid unlocks.
Comment i found in reddit
small steeple
@strong forum are you any good with WA? I found an arms one that makes a ring noise when to execute based on juggernaut etc. I tried to adapt it to prot but its not working, and not quite sure how to fix it. Not at pc rn
strong forum
Different spell ID for juggernaut stacks
mortal cypress
“Dinar” was a currency introduced at the end of Shadowlands, brought back at the...
ah tyvm!
small steeple
Yeah I changed Sudden Death Id, execution Id, and juggernaut Id. At least I thought I did. GOnna have to double check
wintry nymph
small steeple
Not really
ruby musk
Maybe nutty vs bad or lower ilvl dps
dusk oak
is it worth using 2pc/2pc?
neon elk
Y
next pasture
does it seem like no boss abilities can be spell reflected anymore?
jagged pier
yer bliz dont want u too
but the also dont make them deflect so u just have to take it to the face
but dk are allowed to ams every single one
vestal moat
Is big red button or mister lock nerfed for tanks? I can’t tell.
wind prawn
Does it give everyone the 5k stats?
lofty warren
Archon tier list doesn't match wowhead in m+ hmmmm
tribal wharf
you can only play DB in keys as bdk right
not VS
i forget what its really called but vampiric strike vampiror survivor,
i would want to play Vamp bdk in keys
small steeple
you can only play DB in keys as bdk right
bs
from the exact same source just cited
small steeple
Archon tier list doesn't match wowhead in m+ hmmmm
Also this tierlist is literally only based on runs actually done, not theory crafting at all
lofty warren
Why reality not match crafting?
small steeple
Because there is just straight not enough runs or data yet lol
Season isn't even a week old
cyan bronze
pepega
you’ve asked this question enough times
that I feel like you should be able to answer it yourself
lofty warren
Ah but the answer is not always the same. Maybe there is some bug over doing or under doing dps or whatever else
small steeple
Ah but the answer is not always the same. Maybe there is some bug over doing or ...
Outliers like that are very notable and shouldn't even be an argument
toxic pewter
Heroic cauldron of carnage is such an easy fight yet every raid I join the dudes stand in the laser lmao
mighty valley
Archon tier list doesn't match wowhead in m+ hmmmm
prot warrior is trash tier and will be forever. final answer, you can quit this discord now
cyan bronze
(also archon m+ stats, currently, mostly reflects what people ppl are playing for raid)
mighty valley
and this early in the season, whatever they were playing last season that has the highest ilvl
cyan bronze
yeppington
raw parcel
Not to brag, but I am (or was recently) 2nd place prot warrior on my server.
Unfortunately, that server is Moon Guard, so no one actually plays real content around here. 
pallid quiver
Ur fried
agile elbow
Any updates on if Spellreflect Essentials has been updated and works properly now?
wind prawn
Any one have any opintions on the trinket below. I don't see it on the tier lsits which means i would like to think it is bad but it has about a 33% uptime in my M+ runs
seems strong to me
jagged gust
so on average it's worth < 1k str and 1750 secondary stats for an ally
jagged gust
no, but you do get the shield for 1/10th your hp (less the more gear you have)
sounds pretty mid
oh wait im dumb
i read primary stat and was like "clearly that's haste"
jagged gust
you happen to log a run with it?
jagged gust
1k main stat to 4 allies on average sounds kinda neat
jagged gust
is that the uptime of the stats or the shield?
jagged gust
didja check what the stat buff is called on wowhead? Might have a different name than the trinket
nvm looks like it's also the same name https://www.wowhead.com/spell=446648/cinderbrew-stein
wind prawn
Yeah but i see the buff on no one else in the run the entire time
only on me, maybe it is broken
jagged gust
no warcraftlogs available though?
wind prawn
Nah sorry
i wish
Thanks for your help though, just a mystery for now 🙂
Like if gave 4 other players 5k strenght
jagged gust
The fun part of a new season 😄
jagged gust
I imagine it states allies as it can affect any ally, but possibly only 1 per proc? Time to get Murloc Holmes on the case
wind prawn
haha
small steeple
@strong forum what do you think on roar vs spear for col? Raid situation and m+ situation
austere jolt
Do we break 4 set for ilv?
dusty ravine
Do we break 4 set for ilv?
I'd say yes but I'm a noob so don't take my word for it!
glacial oxide
Hi i want to play a tank this season for mostly m+ and just saw that prot warriors have really good dps numbers. Is this intented or is a nerf expected?
pallid quiver
All tanks are fairly close in DPS performance
So either it's intended or every tank is getting hit
iirc brew is the only one lagging behind
glacial oxide
The warrior did 1.3mil Overall with 640, i have not seen other tanks do that much damage
pallid quiver
well do i have news for you
That's
That's low damage for tanks
There's a random section Nome pulled out earlier during a discussion about tank damage
surreal thunder
So you can't reflect reaping scythe damage back to themself in ToP anymore?
pallid quiver
I've heard it got changed, but I can't personally confirm. I wager Sense would update the sheet if so
surreal thunder
Just did a 2ToP and every time i used reflect for it did no damage back to boss, didnt even deflect .
😦
tribal wharf
did they fix the teleporters though
or nerf the hard trash pull of that section
bc theatre is fun
mighty valley
Just did a 2ToP and every time i used reflect for it did no damage back to boss...
yeah, intentional change, big bummer
surreal thunder
tribal wharf
1st pull and first boss can be humiliation in theatre a warning
cuz, everyone wants the big pull, which means you need to have SB up and get aggro and probably help kick
and then boss after that is immediate, and trio, a rarity for keys, and they are all annoying to fight
vocal pewter
Is it Mythic Gallywix Shield > crafted > heroic gallywix shield > normal gallywix shield?
mighty valley
yeah the proc isn't super meaningful
so you wouldn't trade any ilvl for it
but it is free, so
vocal pewter
yeah the proc isn't super meaningful
Got it, was curious cause I doubt I'll touch a mythic shield so was curious if crafting is the best bet
mighty valley
Got it, was curious cause I doubt I'll touch a mythic shield so was curious if c...
Yeah if you’re not expecting to get myth track from vault or anything crafting a shield is generally a safe bet
long carbon
so 4pc the crit bonus, is it my Crit% + 75% or is it MyCrit% * 1.75
lament forge
In my dcf run earlier the cart took off without us during the dynamite part after the cart rp, boss trampled us instantly 1 shot, what is this
long carbon
thanks harrow i found this and looks like that is the case
mighty valley
yeah it would be super weak and skew our stat prio if it was multiplicative
naive panther
hmm about to hit 2k going to be tempting to make 2 piece
9 points off
have heroic helm and token but wanted to wait
strong forum
Hi i want to play a tank this season for mostly m+ and just saw that prot warrio...
Every well played tank does huge amounts of damage
strong forum
have heroic helm and token but wanted to wait
You have 2 catalyst charges
The "token" grants you a 2nd catalyst charge
But you'd best wait for next week's vault before using any catalyst
You don't wanna catalyse chest to then get myth tier in vault, potentially wasting the entire charge just to bet tier early
neon elk
We run aouthority of depths in all contents now ?
neon elk
10
neon elk
Did they change that ?
toxic pewter
i think so
ruby musk
I thought it's still 10 and above (unless my chart isn't updated)
neon elk
Cant find any new source but both icy veins and wowhead still says its 10+ , but its 2months old
neon elk
Yea 3 days ago on wowhead , 10+ only drops mythic . 8 is 4/6hero
lofty warren
and will be 10 until they change
neon elk
Would be way too free if they did that on 8 tbf
glass rune
What is the best thign to craft with sparks right now?
mighty valley
nothing, chill til your first vault
glass rune
Pog, thanks.
raw parcel
That advice is probably contingent on the assumption that you are getting a myth piece in vault*. If you aren't, and to be fair a lotta people aren't, you may want a good item in the meantime to help push you to that level.
strong forum
even then, the loot isnt running away
but wasting a potential vault item is a very realistic scenario
using spark this week will not make or break anything you do except that instant gratification of "woah big ilvl item"
primal lantern
Is it a good idea to craft a shield or a 1-handed weapon or both (knowing that I'm not going to do a mythic raid)?
strong forum
if you wont do a +10 key and want to maximise survivability, craft a shield with 60 gilded crests
primal lantern
if you wont do a +10 key and want to maximise survivability, craft a shield with...
Not for the moment, but my long-term goal is to push the keys ^^
round cliff
if im low on haste do i swap off itf for raid too
kind urchin
Anyone do the new delve boss yet?
I'm having a small issue of not being able to target the bombs to kick them with the boss right up on my ass.
lofty warren
bruh fck cinderbrew that place is so aids
0/10 dungeo plesae delete
worse than kings rest
split roost
I'm having a small issue of not being able to target the bombs to kick them with...
You can bind the interact button to something, makes it a LOT easier
Had the same issue and once I did that it was much more simple
kind urchin
That's a great idea. Never had a problem with it before.
vocal pewter
in single target are we only TC'ing for rend
lament forge
Arms. Share similar stats plus it's better than fury and easier to gear for
mighty valley
The one you find fun because tank secondaries don’t matter that much. But if you genuinely like both equally, yeah arms I guess
dull relic
so what do you do about this
rain light
should have casted 12 ignore pains
dull relic
idk if block dropped or som but they went from doing no damage to 95% of my hp
in 1 global
mighty valley
I’ve diagnosed the problem. It’s melee from arathi neophyte
1m per melee seems big so I’m guessing sb is down but where in the dungeon do you get ten perfectly synced spawns, I don’t remember having this happen
nimble root
any idea on why we are having aggro issues on gallys tank buster?
tanks are 30k damage apart and one is still stripping every time
oak ivy
Heroic 2p acquired 
sharp gale
idk if block dropped or som but they went from doing no damage to 95% of my hp
there is the "back shots" possibility
dull relic
dont fink so but maybe
dull relic
1m per melee seems big so I’m guessing sb is down but where in the dungeon do yo...
the like 12 mobs infront of the left mini boss
sharp gale
The warrior did 1.3mil Overall with 640, i have not seen other tanks do that muc...
eheheh
sharp gale
i replaced my 4p by ilvl 645 chest and 645 legs, i am Happy
sharp gale
any idea on why we are having aggro issues on gallys tank buster?
Which tank buster
nimble root
the big cone
sharp gale
You taunt during the cast ? (Don’t)
nimble root
nah, i'm not the one tanking. It was like one tank taunts, they get it for half a second then it would snap back
very strange
didn't really do anything different and it stopped happening most of the time (had to heal through it once)
sharp gale
Maybe he goes out of melee range
(Im trying to guess bc im demolished by my cotank on the details but no issue)
crude tapir
Is it worth dropping 4 pc set bonus for 2 of the new set or should I wait for 4
sharp gale
You switch for 2/2 if I’m correct
crude tapir
Thanks I appreciate it
vivid lantern
What are most people crafting week 1?
restive oak
about whats the haste breakpoint for perma shieldblock uptime?
sharp gale
What are most people crafting week 1?
Nothing or a shield or a weapon
restive oak
i just sent a gilded weap cuz i want it now
sharp gale
Nothing : (they wait the first vault/mythic raid sometime)
sharp gale
i just sent a gilded weap cuz i want it now
I would have crafted the shield to never open my vault in prot spec (im not war for raid/ im just telling you what i would do)
restive oak
yeah, but figure theres a decent shield on a pretty early boss
and no one to roll against me
pretty much
sharp gale
Oh yeah if you plan on myth raiding (like me / I just craft nothing and see what I got in the vault / first boss etc)
restive oak
i was gonna do that, but i felt pretty happy with ascendance weapon
sharp gale
Im too afraid of dropping a weapon in the vault to craft week 1 smthing
restive oak
i mean ill have max slots
sharp gale
(Im bdk for raid so i can’t even craft so i don’t have to think about it)
sharp gale
i mean ill have max slots
Well it means you have 3x more chance to get a weapon in the vault which is worst
(Getting a weapon in vault meaning you shouldn’t have craft the weapon)
lyric fern
desert garden
Hi I’m just picking up prot for the first time in a while, do we have any use for slam and whirlwind? It seems like slam would be better than revenge in single target but idk if revenge affects something else that makes it better
kind urchin
You don't need either on your bar. Revenge procs shield slam
jolly swift
what simple wa's do people use, shield block tracker? (would rather dps but can only be tank in keys)
grim pilot
only things you kinda need to track is shield block, violent outburst and how many thunder blast/might (depending on your hero talents) stacks you have
sharp gale
what simple wa's do people use, shield block tracker? (would rather dps but can ...
Wago -> prot war, and I chose the one I preferred the look, remove / modified / added to it things I want or not
jolly swift
ty
craggy cairn
As a tank, what am I supposed to do about the creeping shadow debuff in Darkflame Cleft? Is there a way to mitigate it or dispell it?
sharp gale
ty
For example, you can remove your kick cd on your wa if you have a group kick wa (you can see your own kick cd on it too)
raw parcel
Why did they have to give the best tank racials to the races that look like ass? ;~;
jolly swift
yeah i should really get the group kick overlay
next pasture
can i survive dailcry on a 9 priory at 645 ilvl? i feel like i'm just gonna melt to that dot he does
sharp gale
Idk I’m bdk since a week, swamp face in floodgate in 8 deletes 90% of my health bar with his tankbuster (I wish I was on my prot)
jolly swift
there that op spell reflect wa for this seasons dungeons yet?
round cliff
idk if anyone else's group is having trouble on heroic rix
maybe i need to yell at my group to kill the damn bombs faster
but we spent the last half of raid tonight wiping to him
vital oak
we did 1.5 hours of rix last night. kill came when we got good rng on the adds and they were at worst a group of 3 with 1 by itself. seems to be more rng than anything at 635ish ilvl.
also, had to teach the melee not to stand in front and get cleaved.
sharp gale
idk if anyone else's group is having trouble on heroic rix
It took us few pulls yes with my guild, we killed when we just let the far one live and just cleave on the boss the 3 that’s spawn near him
hollow sphinx
what is the minimum stack on demolish we will use?
round cliff
3
but thats only for the opener
should be at 10 every time after if ur playing right
hollow sphinx
Puh i find it kinda hard playing colossos 😄
round cliff
colo ez
sharp gale
If you don’t like it you can still play thane dw
sharp gale
But it deals way less dps
I didn’t say it was equivalent in dps, but you can do both for 10s vault fill if it’s what you aim for
neon elk
Its probably not updated yet , and even in s1 it wasnt ideal , idk if they made any huge improvements mid season
twin hill
is there a tl;dr about the approximate DPS difference between colo and thane?
sharp gale
another question, is the spellreflect WA not working?
I think it’s not fully updated yet, imagine it requires the sacrifice of more warriors to be ready
remote anchor
is there a tl;dr about the approximate DPS difference between colo and thane?
Idk like 30% more as colo
neon elk
There is no way its 30% difference
sharp gale
You can sim 5 targets to know the answer
But colossus already did more damage than thane in S1, it wouldn’t surprise me it does WAY more now
pastel geyser
Is colossus more forgiving than thane rn? I played thane in s1 when i played my tank alt but i hear colossus got buffed a lot
Anf i havent tanked in like 3 months lol
jagged pier
no its less
pastel geyser
Less in the sense of gotta manage more stuff?
pastel geyser
As in you’re allowed to live if you pressed a few buttons in the wrong order
That kind of stuff
The way i see it colosuss seems more built around demolish and thane seems to be split more on the claps on the damage part is that right?
jagged gust
Well the big part of thane is reduced TC cd inside of avatar, as well as refreshing the CD and burst of power giving you SS's with no cd
so it has easier ways to replenish rage in case you mess up
in that sense MT is more forgiving than colo
ionic fern
- you don't spam Revenge as much as MT, you use IP.
neon elk
So ive read they capped delve map to 1 per week, but we can get like 6keys per week at best, if i dont happen to drop it in those 6 runs did i basicly lost that map for the week? Or do i have to run non bountyful ones ?
Not sure its even worth
dense hill
Does new tier trigger immovable object?
hardy snow
So ive read they capped delve map to 1 per week, but we can get like 6keys pe...
You can buy item that guarantee you get Underpin and drop bounty in the delve for undercoins
unborn island
So ive read they capped delve map to 1 per week, but we can get like 6keys pe...
It also drops from delves if you don't open the bountiful chest
I got mine on a 4 when I didn't use a key
vale escarp
You could get more then just 6 Keys a week but sadly Paragon chests are bugged atm
hollow sphinx
are delves worth going?
dense hill
4 pieces of Champion gear + a hero piece, and then 3 Vault slots with hero tier chances, seems very well worth it for first week or two
hollow tusk
hey guys, how do you manage to deal with dot-stacking worms at the end of DFC pls? im just getting rekt
remote anchor
Kite
jagged pier
Healer job
brave stirrup
Which Tank is doing the most damage in keys ?
sweet summit
I am 
jagged pier
No me 
sharp gale
From what I saw : me (I didn’t do a single key not being tank)
strong forum
Currently all tanks do crazy dmg in keys from what I've seen
jagged pier
Happens when they buff every tanks dam by 15-20%
sharp gale
And from the route I improv every dungeon is big overalls
Maybe it feels the same for you but there is a lot more NW than boralus this season
(Didn’t do a key in fort yet)
neon elk
You can buy item that guarantee you get Underpin and drop bounty in the delve f...
Thanks
lofty warren
Why are the new dungeons always so bad and overtuned and bottom of the tier list?
strong blaze
anyone got a link to a info graph that shows if 2 set is worth breaking last tier 4set etc etc and the %
torn gulch
Currently all tanks do crazy dmg in keys from what I've seen
And that is how it should be
Let us have fun
strong forum
anyone got a link to a info graph that shows if 2 set is worth breaking last tie...
Nah im just going by gut feeling and educated guess
4pc of s1 is like 0.6% dmg for us
2pc of s2 grants the sw proc and 15sec of +15% dmg
ionic nimbus
Just took my 4 hero items for ilvl and will go to atleast 2 set on Wednesday. Maybe already 4 set (depends on Vault)
S1 set was garbogarbage
onyx vessel
so nomeratur 2pc 2pc is 
brave stirrup
If I didn’t play in 10.5 and don’t have the ring, should I be getting that asap?
short apex
ya
onyx vessel
@strong forum is it worth dropping s1 4pc for 20ilvl in 2 slots glove and helm?
neon elk
Ml 2nd boss what is stacking the dot on me and how do i prevent it ?
toxic pewter
u guys think it worth it to track tier set 'luck of the draw'
onyx vessel
cerulean tusk
Why tho
strong forum
wouldnt you like to know when you do 15% extra damage and every shield slam reduces SC cd by 12seconds?
cerulean tusk
Not really no
strong forum
unlucky
near walrus
but you can add to the 15%, your avatar and then Demolish for big big number
onyx vessel
in raid so rl i need to solo tank for better parse
near walrus
you do you man, no one is forcing you
onyx vessel
stands in fire for luck procs
cerulean tusk
understandable
ocean parcel
hey is there a spreadsheet for spellreflect/spellblock casts? this link isnt working for me, could someone share direct link or smth else
cerulean tusk
onyx vessel
lusty grotto
hey guys, how do you manage to deal with dot-stacking worms at the end of DFC pl...
Just parry
Also reflect into Shockwave and step off to let it reset
lusty grotto
Does new tier trigger immovable object?
No
toxic pewter
absolutely
yeah kinda dumb question now that I think about it lol
def want to know the windows are happening
lusty grotto
toxic pewter
do other tank specs tier trigger things
like is vdh's metas triggering all their hero talents and crap
cuz if I find out it is I am gonna be pissed
strong forum
Shieldcharge can be cast, I cast
willingly depriving myself of the information that if i squeeze in an ss on aoe isntead of a revenge to get another SC out
is certainly a choice
not everything is ST
cerulean tusk
I am a hammer, every problem looks like a nail
dreamy crag
I like to go the right route instead of left, so you get an easier add
cerulean tusk
I wall the bleed, and that is kinda it. Not done it high enough that I was in any danger. 8 area is free, so my advice is uneducated.
timid wigeon
hello, anyone have spell reflection weakaura for s2 ?
I used to use this one https://wago.io/pjl-p3su9 but it no longer works for s2
strong forum
ionic fern
do you have any tips for first boss of sacret flame?
If you're struggling,Rotate defensives. Be in defensive stance. Use most of your rage on IP.
remote anchor
cant you also go right side so you dont get the bleed?
strong forum
nah bleed comes from boss
if you go left side you get the judgment magic debuff boy
if you go right side you get the fireball dude, aka need more kicks
lusty grotto
What the fuck is with boomies
I'll do one better: fire mage season and
95% of them flat out fucking suck
Right side is fine, kicking is easy
If you go left and don't get dispelled or dwarf you're ultra fucked
25% more damage on bleed is rough
limpid ruin
Fire mage really really needs the new 4pc but people keep playing it anyway 
lusty grotto
Lol
Yeah I mean I'm inviting g strictly frost
After yesterday at least
I wasn't aware 4pc was required for fire though that's good to know
No wonder they all seem to suck balls
limpid ruin
Well theres also the fotm reroll issue im sure
hollow tusk
Just parry
thanks king
round pendant
Motherlode + boomie = impossible
vocal flame
stars falling and pulling entire dungeon lol
orchid mural
hello - struggling to understand the tome trinket from Priory.
Any advice?
Does anyone have a WA to help you track when to switch it ?
Appreciate
toxic pewter
im on the new ptr and this new cooldown tracking system blizz adding seems pretty good (cant customize it too much so far but its a solid start if I say so). Has these cool timer bars that appear that track buffs which is really cool
can customize where it all appears
lusty grotto
That looks like a massive improvement for sure
toxic pewter
yah I really like it
torn gulch
how good is a tome of light devotion?
torn gulch
damn i got a hero track version of it
orchid mural
im on the new ptr and this new cooldown tracking system blizz adding seems prett...
can u customize colours per spell?
lusty grotto
hello - struggling to understand the tome trinket from Priory.
Any advice?
Doe...
At 50 stacks it auto swaps, you want sword mode for dps and shield mode for defensiveness
torn gulch
and if you use it it goes faster to 50?
lusty grotto
I believe nome wrote a usage thing in the guide
vocal flame
im on the new ptr and this new cooldown tracking system blizz adding seems prett...
LOOKS AMAZING! Maybe even replace WAs
torn gulch
i was just looking at it
toxic pewter
can u customize colours per spell?
not sure you can.. yet but I have noticed the icons on the bars change depending on their situation. So like when a buff is active its a yellow hue
vocal flame
not sure you can.. yet but I have noticed the icons on the bars change depending...
this is so cool
toxic pewter
cant figure out how to choose which cooldowns to track yet I think theyre still working on it
cuz right now its like every ability lol
by default
vocal flame
I am no programmer but blizz just needs to take the most used addons and just add them into the game
Looks so much beter
lusty grotto
@orchid mural that answers your usage question right? I'm sure trinket tracker WAs are enough for it
vocal flame
better*
toxic pewter
yeah i mean in theory this can help with basic cooldown tracking but I do not see wa going anywhere personally
round pendant
day 2 and can't even get invited into groups as dps
I'm forced to tank
as usual
I hate this game honestly
vocal flame
I am sorry yam that sucks. Hell I even got denied to a +2 as a tank so theres that lol
toxic pewter
arent dps warriors doing pretty good right now
vocal flame
They took a prot pally 🙂
nocturne spindle
Prot warrior is just dps with no need to worry about where the mobs are anyway
hot orbit
There are so many tank busters in this season, what should I do when one is coming and I have all my CDs off?
crimson furnace
any help with the 1st boss in priory? im taking so much damage from 2 those
its insane
strong forum
Get healed
crimson furnace
and I do line of sight the bleed 😭
strong forum
Use CDs on overlaps
crimson furnace
thats the only time i feel small PP, other then that, big boy!
strong forum
That fight is 90% tank dmg, your healer should be pumping
crimson furnace
🙏🏻
strong forum
One of the reasons why I don't like this season, healers matter a lot
crimson furnace
im able to get created a 2p item, shoulders and legs, should I wait fr reset or commit now?
thoughts?
toxic pewter
why isnt everyone complaining about healer situation.. in season 1 everyone was going insane complaining
lusty grotto
Wdym
kind urchin
Just tried to do a priory, went left side and when we triggered Duemal and start fighting him his health wasn't going anywhere... he had almost 2 billion health.
lusty grotto
Blizzard hasn't gone back on their current philosophy
Did you kill 4 mini bosses, I know you probably did but just making sure
kind urchin
Yeah
lusty grotto
Might have snapshotted to a mini boss being alive
Weird
But not unexpected it's the 1st week
kind urchin
Shit was nuts.
lusty grotto
I bet lol
kind urchin
Group got mad at me of course because it's always the tanks fault.
kind urchin
Same group that pulled extra mobs in until we had the whole first room in one massive pull and I had to survive that shit.
topaz leaf
is there any ninja pull bug right now? had constant ninja pulls yesterday, but we couldn't figure out what causes it.
topaz leaf
I'm talking like pulling bone magus on the side while you are in the middle
topaz leaf
it's so frustrating
lusty grotto
Probably a trinket interaction
topaz leaf
like I'm sure it's nobody actually pulling it because some are just way too far away
kind urchin
It's almost like they played the Fellowship playtest and said "we need to increase aggro range on everything".
topaz leaf
Probably a trinket interaction
yeah guessing some trinkets as well, or enchants like season 1
raw parcel
Whoa, just took a proper look at our tier for this season. It looks awesome! Maybe I'm biased because last season our set was ass, but this one looks amazing.
Does IO also work with our tier set Shield Wall?
raw parcel
Compared to last season's this season looks awesome, but it is lame that IO doesn't trigger.
round pendant
These dungeons are cbt
also third boss of motherlode does some shit that just melts me
but I didn't see a cast or a dot or anything?
Anyone know what that is?
oh the boss is just awful for us ig
all magic damage
long bronze
the only thing is searing reagent or standing in bad
mighty valley
These dungeons are cbt
that's good, we could all use some cognitive behavioral therapy
prime sphinx
lusty grotto
She nukes you
Constantly
Probably one of the few fights in the game that you prio keeping IP up over SB
Which happened to us in BFA
There's 0 melee coming in, so SB usage is only important for SS dam on that fight and for spell block usage
haughty scroll
also third boss of motherlode does some shit that just melts me
i just make sure to have spell block for that dungeon and use a shield wall or something on sb downtime
lone arrow
Does anyone have a WA for Spell Relections.
solid sun
Probably one of the few fights in the game that you prio keeping IP up over SB
Does shield block not work on ranged attacks?
solid sun
Oh nooooo
haughty scroll
spell block runs out you start praying and beg for an external
lusty grotto
Then there's no defensive reason to keep SB up
Just press IP
And liberal demo/wall with Sr for the Dr
Honestly didn't feel like she hurt, prob still have BFA muscle memory
Floodgate bosses hurt a lot more
Fucking first boss
I imagine with 2pc it'll hurt less overall
I do miss mindbender reflects in ML though
And of course Top scythe
Feelsbadman
long bronze
why did they gut the SR stuff
its been a part of warrior forever and now they decide to dome it
long bronze
SR just feels like a short 20% magic dam DR now
lusty grotto
Honestly trading some reflects for overall damage gain doesn't feel like a bad trade off
But utility wise it does feel bad
long bronze
I don't care about the damage as much as I care about being able to prevent the odd 9m full magic tank buster which apparently doesn't count as a spell
just rename SR to fuckin bolt reflect I guess
long bronze
yeah when it's up
lilac flume
been trying to search but cant confirm, should i break 4 set for 2 set and 2 set?
cerulean tusk
I play with a 600 ilvl resto shaman, I dont feel to be in any danger in the the 8-10 keys we bouncing around in.
So don't believe there is any reason to be worried about tankiness :v
long bronze
I broke 4 set for pure ilvl and it wasn't even that much before it simmed better
link a log of a 10 with a 600 ilvl resto please
cerulean tusk
been trying to search but cant confirm, should i break 4 set for 2 set and 2 set...
Nome mentioned earlier today that 2+2 was worth. I broke the tierset for pure ilvl myself. So ya safe
vocal flame
Nome mentioned earlier today that 2+2 was worth. I broke the tierset for pure il...
Can you be more specific?
cerulean tusk
2pc of s2 grants the sw proc and 15sec of +15% dmg
Here ya go
lilac flume
Nome mentioned earlier today that 2+2 was worth. I broke the tierset for pure il...
thanks trying to get better about using discord for advice and was searching but am kinda trash at searching results in disc lol
cerulean tusk
link a log of a 10 with a 600 ilvl resto please
https://raider.io/characters/eu/ravencrest/Yeen
Here you got maaah boii
The PvP trinkies are great
long bronze
brother there is no 10 lol
lusty grotto
Funky where is 2h prot
vocal flame
Here ya go
So you have 2+2 or you have no set at all? and you just went highest ilevel
long bronze
surely
cerulean tusk
Funky where is 2h prot
It is still to early for the hardcore tech
lusty grotto
The time is ripe
long bronze
its not you, it's the 610 resto that seems prety sus
cerulean tusk
2h pwarr in this echonomy
lusty grotto
Lol
cerulean tusk
He is a PvPer, and is super solid
Love mah boii
Best kind of ppl to play with are those who improve on misstakes and just laugh about em
Just got my 654 shield Nim, if I bring out my twohander they will kill me
orchid mural
<@234362595748872192> that answers your usage question right? I'm sure trinket t...
yes, thank you. I'm looking for a WA that will give some highlight / heads up to activate the use. (ie when it's in armor mode). it's just not grabbing my eye
cerulean tusk
Offtopic: But got to ask. You guys getting Motherlode a lot more than other dungs? Cause my group keeps rolling all our keys into that dung
is it just chance, or a pattern?
long bronze
I've gotten motherlode once and cinderbrew and floodgate the most
neon elk
Offtopic: But got to ask. You guys getting Motherlode a lot more than other dung...
Im stuck with top
cerulean tusk
Aight, so chance. I was going crazy
5 ppl, just rolling motherlode over and over, makes me sus
I want to do ToP more
long bronze
I need that cinderbrew neck to fix all the haste I've been bleeding
cerulean tusk
Cinderbrew is the dung I just dont want to do
long bronze
the first boss is aids, but otherwise I've not found it too bad
unborn island
I've had rookery 5 times out of 6 rolls.
cerulean tusk
Lucky
long bronze
healers seem to really struggle with boss 1 intermission, and the fact he knocks you no matter where you are in the room when it starts seems unnecessary
unborn island
healers seem to really struggle with boss 1 intermission, and the fact he knocks...
Yeah the knock is a pain in the dick
cerulean tusk
I try to tank it on 1st from left towards the backend of the bar, so ppl got time to hug the wall there for the knock