#protection
round cliff
who has updated spell reflect WA
raw parcel
Anodized Deflector bracers worth using? No secondaries, but a 30 second... defensive cooldowna and tiny aoe damage?
mighty valley
i haven't seen any math but you're not selling me with that description
raw parcel
Not selling myself, either. "Use: Gain 4176 parry and 2969 avoidance for 6 sec, after which you emit a shockwave in front of you that deals 66,202 physical damage" (30 sec cooldown)
That... vs about 1100 secondary stats.
That's about 4% parry that's up.. 20% of the time?
Am I missing something really important here or are these total ass?
urban portal
sounds ass to me
native fox
does champions spear + might work on bosses? i don't see the debuff on the boss like i do other mobs that get hit with it saying they are chained
urban portal
Yes it works
jagged gust
they're just immune to the chained portion of the ability
native fox
just weird wording because might says you get the crit % while they are chained and if they aren't chained then my brain says that shouldn't work
jagged gust
Yeah, wow tooltips are infamously misleading at times
native fox
aight, thanks for the info!
last temple
is the Dawnthread Lining / Duskthread Lining still the go to embelisment or has the new tier changed anything in that regard?
vague abyss
how much ilvl i should aim for for 6+ keys? atm im just doing 2+s with my 630 prot while learning the dungeons and routes
chilly brook
Idk I’m doing 7s at 638
Should be fine
Generally feel really comfy outside of some specific scenarios
urban bane
unsure if dps just suck or we are actually fuckin slammajamma the meters
maybe a bit of both
jagged pier
dps suck
mortal cypress
unsure if dps just suck or we are actually fuckin slammajamma the meters
warriors suck, cant hold aggro, low dps, buff us
sweet summit
real
sharp gale
Dps suck 100% on my dog bdk im close to not be 3-4th dps
dense hill
jagged pier
depends on the proc rate
and then it will only be good in ST stats generally outwiegh procs in aoe
pallid quiver
unless the proc is bonkers
or you cheat and just have both, but that should obviously be an exception
vale escarp
Nvm got it, it just doesnt load If I click on TWW 
neon elk
Do i drop old 4set for 1 piece of 30ilvl upgrade?
nocturne ibex
Do i drop old 4set for 1 piece of 30ilvl upgrade?
I would do so
The procs given by the nerubar set are not that big compared to that ilvl jump
sharp gale
I would sim ngl
I don’t know if you still can catalyst s1 items, you can catalyst the fifth and do the change
neon elk
I don’t know if you still can catalyst s1 items, you can catalyst the fifth and ...
True gotta do that
bleak breach
unsure if dps just suck or we are actually fuckin slammajamma the meters
We’re slamming
Best I’ve done so far was 1.8mil for the dungeon at 639ilvl
bleak breach
Do i drop old 4set for 1 piece of 30ilvl upgrade?
4pc sucks, just keep 2pc if you’re worried about any
fathom magnet
how would you guys rank prot defensively in m+ compared to vdh?
vale escarp
S+
charred ivy
Hows tanking in general this season? Hard or we feel tanky?
For an avg player that is.
sharp gale
You still have shield block and a talent that makes you not worry about it if you want « simple »
night heron
Hello, I was wondering: it better to get a regular mythic track shield if you only have the heroic version of Gallywix's shield?
jagged pier
any mythic shield will be better than a hc shield
night heron
That's what I thought! Thanks for the confirmation.
inner belfry
I had no problem playing colossus last season, was doing +10s comfortably, jumped in a Operation Floodgate yesterday and was destroyed by the first boss, constantly rage starved, do I suck or is it an ilvl thing, at 620
I've never played the game during a season release so i don't understand the scaling that happens
pallid quiver
In terms of rage gen,
very little
Most of your rage gen is just baseline from proc chances. Haste does increase your rage gen, but not by a lot
idle copper
I had no problem playing colossus last season, was doing +10s comfortably, jumpe...
On a +2?
inner belfry
On a +2?
yea
Another thing, the tank buster Big M.O.M.M.A does is nature damage, do I need to mitigate it with spell block/spell reflect?
neon elk
If its magic then yes, just check if its bloackable , if no then only SR
idle copper
Another thing, the tank buster Big M.O.M.M.A does is nature damage, do I need to...
Do you have the upto date spell reflect weakaura?
inner belfry
i don't, will look into that
idle copper
i don't, will look into that
I've not updated it myself (at work)
But this will be it
https://wago.io/pjl-p3su9
vocal flame
Never played Col before and it seems like fun in the runs I did last night. With the rotation how are all of you dealing with revenge? Sending it always? Spending rage on Ignore pain first? I found myself I think using revenge too much lol
neon elk
Try to find some kind of balance between it . Always keep SB, and some IP spend rest on revenge , if i know im fighting a hard group and im out of wall or whatnot i press IP bit more, if its ez pack i drop IP and go full nuts
karmic plinth
generally as colo u are better spending rage on revenge than on ip
sharp gale
Never played Col before and it seems like fun in the runs I did last night. With...
Just imagine you switch clap and revenge in the priority
lofty warren
Is there a way to put old tier set on gear without looting old raid?
toxic pewter
do the shield walls and avatars stack from various procs or anyone know how it all works
i think shield wall doesnt stack? but avatar might?
(immovable object and I guess later on the tier set for shield walls?)
floral bronze
(immovable object and I guess later on the tier set for shield walls?)
afaik the tier set proccs dont activate the effect of immovable object, i might be wrong tho
toxic pewter
yeah that part I know for sure it doesnt
floral bronze
but yeah their durations stack
toxic pewter
but like the sheild walls the tier set gives us.. does it stack with uhh other shield walls we may already have active
floral bronze
the duration gets increased, you dont get an 80% dr lol
toxic pewter
so like if i press actual shield wall and tier set procd will it add to the duration
sure i mean just durations
floral bronze
yep
toxic pewter
what about immovable object shield wall durations
floral bronze
yes they also increase the durations mate
jagged pier
nope
tardy knoll
cant find it
toxic pewter
it's called Heavy Repercussions and it is the same node as Into the Fray
tardy knoll
ty
strong forum
afaik the tier set proccs dont activate the effect of immovable object, i might ...
does not
toxic pewter
I just got declined for a +2 theater of pain for a vdh... it begins.. LOL
unborn ore
Dare you not playing meta
toxic pewter
🤣
unborn ore
we always take double SW talent as colossus, aye? Defenders Aegis or whatever it’s called. Never use SW CD reduce talent?
small steeple
we always take double SW talent as colossus, aye? Defenders Aegis or whatever it...
yes
No reason not to now. They got rid of the rage gain from the other one
small steeple
For collousus which takes IO yeah. MT still takes the other one instead of IO
mortal raptor
is it worth to replace old 4 set with 2 items that are 20ilvl higher?
long chasm
Yes
restive sage
plush tendon
Colossus make revenge go brrrr
toxic pewter
That change to barbaric training not costing more rage may be best change they’ve done in years
agile elbow
Big smash fun until you get animation locked into a big smash yourself 🤣
forest pollen
Haha yeah...
agile elbow
high latch
Is Colossus significantly better than MT for M+ or are they within a few percent of eachother?
jagged pier
few %
high latch
Cool, thanks
smoky anvil
Colossus big bonk is big fun.
high latch
Yeah but I hate the animation lock
vocal flame
Just imagine you switch clap and revenge in the priority
ok thank you!!
worn sand
have any tww s2 spell reflect weakauras been released?
also should i be demo shouting before demolish
heady jetty
Worth crafting Shield asap with Gilded if i just M+? Also any good embellish for it?
toxic pewter
pog got nomal shield
not heroic but still solid till i get better one i guess
crap will a crafted shield be better than this prob will be right
urban portal
Maybe but there’s less of a need to craft a shield
toxic pewter
true
urban portal
also the effect looks ass for m+
regal yarrow
What item level increase are we dropping our s1 tier for?
vocal flame
4pc -> 2pc 2pc is what Nom said
vague abyss
damn, 924 damage is barely nothing? but seems to be accumulative, so how often it procs?
oblique cipher
prot warrior is fine i guess xd
vague abyss
prot warrior is fine i guess xd
we were like that at the start of season 1 too, our base damage is just too good
we will fall back eventually when the DPS gets their actual gear back
shame on that lock though
urban portal
damn, 924 damage is barely nothing? but seems to be accumulative, so how often i...
It’s 7.7k dps at max stacks
924 damage is nothing considering everything is at hundreds millions of hp
vague abyss
yeah basically nothing, yup
neon elk
prot warrior is fine i guess xd
What key lvl was that ?
vague abyss
i guess you can keep it just for the ilvl, but you should look for a better one
dunno if you still want to craft one though
oblique cipher
What key lvl was that ?
7
oblique cipher
yeah with rio reset it's kinda random if you pug, can go from giga chads to sus dps
vague abyss
i dont have the numbers on me because i forgot to check, but i had dps that did like 30% or less dps than the rest of the groups, me included
you just get those kind of dps sadly mixed
it was kinda sad to see their details bar, so tiny compared to the rest of us lol
i love mocking people who makes less dps than us, the tank (disregard the part that we are doing DPS levels of damage now)
i have to keep trying, have only done a few keys now, work is just too full T.T
kind urchin
I was in a 2 floodgate with some dps that weren't even breaking a million.
neon elk
Damn thats sad
regal yarrow
were you at least breaking a million?
vague abyss
i have little to no experience playing Colossus, how we are actually spending our rage, we just spam Revenge? i kinda miss my big claps 😦
vocal flame
From what I am understand is that Revenge is the new Thunder Clap
oblique cipher
revenge is the new everything
vocal flame
I hit it too often and I forget about ignore pain lol
vague abyss
im the other way, im hitting it too often and getting rage starved because im still used to our old rage generation lol
kind urchin
were you at least breaking a million?
Most definitely.
vale escarp
Just play thane, it's fine
toxic pewter
u guys think it worth turning veteran piece of gear into tier lol
neon elk
I personaly wouldnt
vocal flame
im the other way, im hitting it too often and getting rage starved because im st...
Takes some getting used to but you will get it down
frozen sentinel
Does anyone know why elvui is doing this
Is that Elviu or do you have plater installed too?
brittle owl
Does anyone know why elvui is doing this
because they're casting
it's a mob cast indicator
frail ibex
it's a mob cast indicator
But they are not casting
its doing it for even the packs that are not pulled
frail ibex
Is that Elviu or do you have plater installed too?
Just elvui
tribal wharf
chilly brook
Wouldn't have thought that the absorb trink from Cinderbrew would be a 54k downgrade from a 626 sacbrood
even at 19 ilvl over it
strong forum
🙂
toxic pewter
wat u guys crafting first
strong forum
nothing
toxic pewter
ok
u think champ gear worth making into tier already cleared normal pob wont clear heroic? i dont think?
is heroic hard anyone know
strong forum
replace tier with tier
muted spire
Where can I find info when it's worth breaking tier etc.?
Looking on gearing guide and couldn't see much
last pebble
any think that newer prot warrior plays crazy slow now? i feel like theres time thunderclap and shield slam are on cd and i have barely any rage. Feels like you definitely have toi spend more efficiently now
mighty valley
you can definitely reserve rage to always have something to press
but we're not constantly slapping IP in parallel to the gcd any more
last pebble
yeah i feel like theres actually downtime now and you have to pool some rage now
mighty valley
if you pool rage correctly you shouldn't have downtime
CDs give you enough rage to put up a big IP, then brutal vitality helps keep it up until you get another rage surplus from violent outburst or something
definitely easier to fuck yourself by spending rage on IP than it was before
last pebble
yeah definitely feels like theres way less room for error
not sure i like it
feels less fast paced
lusty meadow
How close realistically should your DPS be to your sim?
unborn island
How are the keys feeling? Easy or tough?
Assume everyone here is a reasonable at worst player so it should be a good feeling for what to expect later 🙂
urban portal
How close realistically should your DPS be to your sim?
On pure st it should be within 10%
Aoe more funky
mighty valley
How are the keys feeling? Easy or tough?
new dungeon was fun, darkflame is way less awful than I expected, guess they downtuned it a lot
my healer was saying that damage seems kinda overtuned in priory
but maybe the group wasn't understanding some mechanics
mighty valley
How close realistically should your DPS be to your sim?
varies from fight to fight, the sim assumes you're able to maintain perfect uptime with zero mechanics
neon elk
So far i feel like brewery is most cancer one
vocal flame
I am trying that tonight
neon elk
Havent done all yet tho
urban bane
hah. same as it ever was. i feel like im really cranking with prot warrior in keys. and then i look at the logged dps and sense almost always leaving me in the dust.
jagged gust
after the first day of m+, got damn do I feel bad for melee
rancid tiger
new dungeon was fun, darkflame is way less awful than I expected, guess they dow...
Gobbo dungeon is crazy
surreal thunder
Whats the number on my ignore pain mean?
topaz latch
Whats the number on my ignore pain mean?
how large its absorb is
surreal thunder
same i just press it, just noticed from the patch though it has number ont he icon lol
thin silo
Could be? Could also be a % of your max IP pool
it is indeed % of max IP value
heavy perch
any have the new spell reflect tracker for 11.1?
pseudo crane
https://www.wowhead.com/item=168978/anodized-deflectors
Is this any good ?
jagged gust
that goat needs to wear some real pants
vocal flame
any have the new spell reflect tracker for 11.1?
#protection message someone posted this but I have not tried it yet
jagged gust
also no
heady jetty
Anyone else had trouble with Gallywix and Trickshot stacks not resetting?
atomic basalt
red tree
Is prot tanky in m+
Ye
strong forum
Where can I find info when it's worth breaking tier etc.?
4pc -> 2pc 2pc
strong forum
https://www.wowhead.com/item=168978/anodized-deflectors
Is this any good ?
nah theyre garbage
strong forum
tremendously so
ye ive had 0 issues in keys
aside from 1 boss that isnt spellblockable
did a few 7-9s with 640
very chill
jade trench
I think bugged out yesterday on the K.U.-J.0 boss fight.
I was trying to do the corner jank where you can LOS but still hit him and for some reason SS reset like 12 times over that duration. So either I'm the luckiest man in the world or that's bugged.
jagged gust
I've had some issues, but it turns out pulling like you're in MDI when you and all your buddies are absolute dongers isn't a great idea
strong forum
yeah gotta know restraint
ruby musk
I learned this in floodgate last night
Not everyone has exposure to the fights yet so groups were hit and miss
neon elk
First cinderbrew i did i pulled like it was HC , i still blame group for wiping cuz they didnt lust and we had low dmg
strong forum
last boss is shitty that the tankbuster isnt spellblockable for whatever reason
"thunder punch"
and yet its not blockable
jagged gust
I was wondering why it was chunking me so hard
ruby musk
I just put my back to the console and make sure I have SW
kind urchin
Last boss in floodgate... shit hurts.
strong forum
very cringe boss that you gotta have SW for every single buster
ruby musk
I also ran into an issue finding pools for sparks
neon elk
How often is he doing that ?
strong forum
lemme check
hearty terrace
Hey early on we crafting wep/shild with darkmoon on it?
ruby musk
Thunder punch was 20ish seconds I think
neon elk
Damn thats quite frequent
strong forum
every 30sec ish
kind urchin
I did it on my pally before I got in there on my warrior and got deleted.
ruby musk
Yeah I was cycling SW and full ip/last stands for them
strong forum
with more awareness you can have avatar SW for every single punch
but still cringe that even the physical part isnt blockable
kind urchin
Spell reflect should reduce it too.
neon elk
Also demoshout
hearty terrace
Also Dawn vs Dusk what’s the go around that I assume Dusk for the magic damage?
strong forum
whatever sims higher
strong forum
Also Dawn vs Dusk what’s the go around that I assume Dusk for the magic damage?
both vers embellishments combined dont even amount to 1% damage reduction total
they TURBO dont matter
@urban bane https://i.imgur.com/JKKIdLJ.png
get styled on
ruby musk
Lol
round cliff
and they say ret pally needs to be buffed smh
round cliff
playing the good talent build
whats the diff between the good build and whats on wowhead
supple meadow
and they say ret pally needs to be buffed smh
ret users are doing huge numbers out of spite
mild river
First boss of cinderbrew. When he phases and players have to grab 5 bears. The damage looked INSANE. I was in a 3 with ppl in 640 gear and almost wiped us.
Any tips besides save defensives for that part?
strong forum
whats the diff between the good build and whats on wowhead
The good build is the wowhead build
Hence why I'm proud
That majority of prot picked it up
round cliff
punish or execute tho
strong forum
This is m+
neon elk
First boss of cinderbrew. When he phases and players have to grab 5 bears. The d...
Thats pretty much it, save defensives for it and at beginitn where there is most dmg stay under boss so heal can full group up then go deliver
round cliff
im soooo bad at managing shield block w/ the execute build
i can barely manage shield block w the punish build
ruby musk
First boss of cinderbrew. When he phases and players have to grab 5 bears. The d...
We pre assigned people for our runs. I got the solo ones on the right (bar then leap to the right wall). The rest of the team went left with healer.
round cliff
i can barely manage shield block with the m+ build tbh. idk why i dont have 100% uptime in m+\
round cliff
im pressing da buttons i promise
urban bane
get styled on
Im tryin
ruby musk
i can barely manage shield block with the m+ build tbh. idk why i dont have 100%...
Swap to HR until your haste can sustain it. It'll get better with set to I think.
round cliff
tho, how am i supposed to press my buttons in a way that i dont miss a shield slam reset right as i press revenge
round cliff
or do i just accept that that happens sometimes
strong forum
I sang fucking hakuna matata on stream doing keys
Tanking is a yoke in most of these
supple meadow
imagine pressing revenge #ZappyBoiGang
ruby musk
Someone used the term afk tanking and I really like that
urban bane
:(
strong forum
imagine pressing revenge #ZappyBoiGang
Can't hear you from the top of the dmg meter
toxic pewter
wat in the world..
supple meadow
Can't hear you from the top of the dmg meter
I don't need to do damage if I don't die ever
round cliff
nome pls i need ur guidance before it scrolls off screen
toxic pewter
theres still individuals that play thane? thats wild
mighty valley
tho, how am i supposed to press my buttons in a way that i dont miss a shield sl...
accept that you're a human with imperfect reaction times in a game with latency. also try and pre-mash a little less soon so the game doesn't buffer your input as early
strong forum
tho, how am i supposed to press my buttons in a way that i dont miss a shield sl...
It do be like that some time
Auto attack resets
strong forum
One day maybe i'll be a fraction of egogodx
Is fake ego
round cliff
i know in the days of rage surplus i'd just press the IP/SS macro before pressing a button
but in this economy?
thats scary to do
strong forum
Haven't particularly had issues in my keys with that
But I've been playing colossus since october
So I'm just used to it maybe idk
mighty valley
the reset catcher macro catches less resets when you're not allowed to press it as much as in old rage-drowned thane
just an adjustment to make
round cliff
nothing feels worse than being at 80 rage, mountain thane muscle memory telling me to press IP macro and revenge at the same time, and then being starved for the winter
mighty valley
yeah you gotta look ahead, when CDs are coming up you absolutely press IP at 80 rage, but if you're about to hit the low rage income part of the rotation, you can hold off
round cliff
with doing only low-difficulty content to gear up rn
small steeple
Colossus execute
col execute for first 5 bosses then thane execute for last 3?
round cliff
my ass is about to just not press IP at all outside of cds
urban bane
Is fake ego
hah well it is earned ego, regardless of fake of not. to even see my name next to folks like yall makes me feel like ive made some progress <3
strong forum
Weren't you the first one to send Necro Pwar?
round cliff
like i dont need it in normal raid outside of ego-holding rix reverb up to hella stacks
strong forum
So that's also some credit
pallid quiver
"thunder punch"
I open Discord just to see Nome bringing up the Pokemon classic
Back when the elemental punches were special
then they became physical
who knows how a punch works
idle copper
the reset catcher macro catches less resets when you're not allowed to press it ...
The what?
mighty valley
some people liked to macro shield slam into their IP bind (NOT the other way around) so mashing IP sometimes catches SS resets from autoattacks that your puny mortal human reactions would've missed
bleak breach
some people liked to macro shield slam into their IP bind (NOT the other way aro...
Yeah I do that with SB as well
ruby musk
he's a literal god
One might even say... a parrygod
supple meadow
One might even say... a *parrygod*
ahaaaaaa
kind urchin
This was a rough key.
lean frigate
when should i drop my season one 4 set?
sharp olive
when should i drop my season one 4 set?
Hero track,
Or
New 4 set
lean frigate
ty
sharp olive
There is a talent that grants shield block 2 extra seconds, I've heard with 4 set, we have shield block up all the time,
Do we think we'll hit a stage where we could drop that talent and maintain 100% uptime?
Or too risky
small steeple
sussy workshop
tribal wharf
your mage must have died or had some los or mechanics type issue
those things can blend together, that or he's horrendous at mana managment
vocal flame
getting better at it
round cliff
am i breaking tier for ilvl
round cliff
Swap to HR until your haste can sustain it. It'll get better with set to I think...
how much haste do i want for itf
im at 21% rn
grim pilot
17k
glacial lynx
Hm do I recraft with with dusk thread or stick with my dawn thread
long bronze
stein still good or nah
halcyon idol
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> on wowhead u say the ToP shield comes from the motherlode
oop
fixed
strong forum
both haste crit shields are good
it depends on the rest of your gear which is "bis"
neon elk
How tf did i drop 2 items from like 8 dungs tho, am i cursed ?
Also fuck meadery, sorry but that dung is pure trash
bleak breach
Nom this damage is ridiculous
I’ve had keys yesterday where I nearly broke 2mil overall
mighty valley
How tf did i drop 2 items from like 8 dungs tho, am i cursed ?
welcome to random chance
bleak breach
Yeah I got bus trink from operation whatever it’s called then nothing else all night for me.
small steeple
for delves, go as prot and have dps brann, or arms and tank brann
neon elk
welcome to random chance
Yeaaa i dont like this side of randomnes ngl
mighty valley
for delves, go as prot and have dps brann, or arms and tank brann
i go prot just because it’s more brainless for me
timber nest
what are mythic+ builds lookinbg like?
supple meadow
if i have a champ track piece, should i catalyze it?
round cliff
prob not
supple meadow
it's a head piece, says its a bis piece
round pendant
your mage must have died or had some los or mechanics type issue
nah mages are just always awful
never invite mages
round cliff
no such thing as a champ track bis piece
hearty terrace
both vers embellishments combined dont even amount to 1% damage reduction total
Dose it really not matter that much? So so rocking 2xDawn for even more Crit a good idea? 👍🏻 for more DPS?
round cliff
will it finish ur 4set? if so then u can catalyze it
timber nest
are ther eany dungeons that spell block isnt great in this season?
agile elbow
Anyone using Spell Reflect Essentials and gotten it to work correctly, with sound, so far in S2?
round cliff
Anyone using Spell Reflect Essentials and gotten it to work correctly, with soun...
dont think its updated yet
raw parcel
How much better is Colossus in damage compared to Mountain Thane?
And how much more survivable is Mountain Thane? Is it a real contest?
mighty valley
In aoe the gap is real
In damage
Calculating survivability is a weird task, thane is smoother due to higher rage gen and getting more damage out of generators, so more IP
but colossus gets to run IO for more shield wall uptime so it’s got its own defensive benefits
small steeple
lol lfr but still
lyric fern
why...
undone wind
why does the M+ build use instigate over bloodsurge? I couldn't find any info on the proc chance of the reworked bloodsurge
lusty grotto
if you search bloodsurge in this channel youll find it
instigate is just better unless in a massive spread, also bloodsurge doesnt apply to all bleeds only dw
and we play battering ram with tier which complements instigate
you would need a very high target count for bloodsurge to even out
or get close to
also pretty sure its still 10%
tunnel trouble is from this season
Igniting hope is from the base expansion
the quest log should say
well it says chapters i guess
if you look up the quest in wowhead, it will give you a list
on the right side
mighty valley
If you just got to Hallowfall you’re over half way through, the final zone campaign is really short
lusty grotto
strong forum
why does the M+ build use instigate over bloodsurge? I couldn't find any info on...
bloodsurge loses to instigate on 3-5mob pulls
it only gains value on really large pulls
lusty grotto
thats what i said 😢
strong forum
instigate keeps its consistently high value whereas bloodsurge is kinda shitty on low target pulls / bosses
lusty grotto
i was mistaken tunnel trouble isnt from this season
its also from the base TWW story
lyric fern
hearty terrace
i assume wep with Emblishment at max ilvl is the play will after we get a mac lvl myth track wep?
fluid widget
uh for rik reverb, has anyone played with 3 tanks and one of them does all of the clicking on resonators?
lusty grotto
i assume wep with Emblishment at max ilvl is the play will after we get a mac lv...
has never been the play at max ilvl
Rik just has a better weapon
raw parcel
Will us getting fewer chances to spam Ignore Pain now... is it finally the hour of Fueled by Violence?! 😄
lusty grotto
FbV was always viable
and was recommended at very high target pulls
BVit was a strong contender but just falls short at high target counts
hearty terrace
has never been the play at max ilvl
i mean like now first craft of the session just make a max wep ?
lusty grotto
so they are interchangeable depending on content
lusty grotto
i mean like now first craft of the session just make a max wep ?
nah
shield or embelish
lusty grotto
ah okey cool so its braces with Hast crit dawn 🙂 thaks
yeah shield or those are prob higher prio, you can grab a weapon if you've been unlucky with myth weapons for 3rd (or 2nd if you got a good shield to drop)
potent anvil
Prot owns
lusty grotto
no u
plucky yacht
Anyone have idea what point we drop tier for item level. Have Champ Helm and Shoulders to replace s1 myth track gear.
half jewel
i searched the channel and someone said immediately
jagged gust
^
plucky yacht
thanks!
merry sluice
hey nim
im leaving you this screeenshot without any further contextr
back into my void i go
lusty grotto
nice
i want to gear mine up this season but i dont know if i want to commit to alts
merry sluice
tank alting is always hell unless I do it concurrently with my main
especially since tww changes.
getting bad pugs who are behind the curve is a d r a g
lusty grotto
yeah
but i personally just dont want to spend so much time in the game
last season doing 8 keys on 2 characters and it was already getting tiresome and then 4 alts before that in DF and prev exps
merry sluice
and these dungeons
while i dont feel like im fearing for my life like alst season on any spec
I feel like im constantly fearing fro the group's where they'll implode from a mechanic they wont do
where even last season i swear if i just lived, people could figure out "i hit boss"
so many bosses are going to be pug nightmares
lusty grotto
haha
yeah
i dont doubt it
we already had our first share of HUH moments last night
like people not hitting balls on a boss that was put in 3 expansions ago
frozen berry
has anyone made a WA for SR S2 yet?
simple atlas
like people not hitting balls on a boss that was put in 3 expansions ago
tbf they couldvve not played bfa
lusty grotto
if they are high rated i expect at least knowing the fight
grim pilot
i was high rated last season and I didnt play bfa and I never play any ptr/beta
week 1 dont expect anything from pugs
lusty grotto
im not exactly new to this lol
grim pilot
i mean youre expecting people to know the encounter day 1 or 2 of the season
lusty grotto
either way at least kicking the balls is salvageable
no
i wasnt
it was just a comment lol
i was just keeping up with cherry
the conversation
anyway its too late for me to get ackchually'd
me sleepy
oak ivy
ending day two at 1960 io & 645.5 ilvl w/ a crafted shield, we happy
mighty valley
lusty grotto
jagged gust
sterile citrus
This shit any good?
sterile citrus
Sorry was looking at icyveins didnt see anything abotu it on there
sterile citrus
will do ty
lusty grotto
spiral grail
anyone have season 2 spell reflect wa?
glacial lynx
Why does amorphous relic sim so terrible?
idle copper
anyone have season 2 spell reflect wa?
I've not updated it myself (at work)
But this will be it
https://wago.io/pjl-p3su9
hollow flower
Is it better to have the gallywix shield from heroic or a crafted shield?
supple meadow
Is it better to have the gallywix shield from heroic or a crafted shield?
gally shield is bis but if you can craft one rn I would imo
jagged pier
Its bis at max ilvl, defesnively if u have a high i lvl shield its better thats better cause block
hot orbit
I've not updated it myself (at work)
But this will be it
https://wago.io/pjl-p3...
I'm w8 the S2 versioni ❤️
rocky crest
So now that the season has started, how many are rolling as MT vs Colossus ?
keen leaf
I am, but thats just personal preference, I like MT more, even though I do more damage as Colo
tardy abyss
Colossus is fun
And that was in floodgate, not a heavy aoe dungeon like cinderbrew lol
crimson furnace
onyx vessel
unborn island
Did some dungeons last night, they were fun.
First boss of cinderbrew seemed a little overtuned in the intermissions though, he was absolutely trucking in a +2
livid meteor
Did some dungeons last night, they were fun.
First boss of cinderbrew seemed a...
If healer doesn't do the mechanic and just full heal during that time it seems a lot easier (and boss is attackable for disc or mistweaver). Tank can do the two right brew as one of these is instant while DPS do the 3 left one.
median kayak
does bloodsurge or instigate generate more rage overall ? the 2 talents in prot tree next to rend ?
stray gazelle
any betters that there will be a prot war in rtwf
mortal cypress
any betters that there will be a prot war in rtwf
i hope so, will teach me how to play it 😛
oblique cipher
Anyone managed to tank Priory 1st boss in 9+?
rancid tiger
so learning prot tanking for keys...
is thane good enough ?
or should i cba to play collosus ( keep in mind i will never tank above a 10) its purely for loot
rancid tiger
Collosus u wanna Revenge more often r?
jagged pier
Pretty much
rancid tiger
any other change i should consider
going from tanking in season 1 to 2... ( tanked very little )
jagged pier
Nope
stray gazelle
i hope so, will teach me how to play it 😛
im only a okay war
jagged pier
any betters that there will be a prot war in rtwf
Really depends on what buffs they need, i reckon druid is likely just for buff, and u dont seem to need grips... so prot is also a good choice for a second tank
Dk isnt that far behind tho and being able to immune every mechanic is handy
vast cliff
Hi is bloodsurge dead or still a possible Pick ?
jagged pier
Is only really good in massive aoe pulls
And as we struggle on rage on ST the most u take intesgate as it will match bs in rage gen up to like 5 targets but is far far better on st
Or low pulls
vast cliff
So Like cinderbrew with bloodsurge
lusty grotto
yes
they nerfed it
it no longer works with rend
only with deep wounds
it was part of the rage nerfs
brittle fulcrum
hey guys how do we deal with the last boss of TOP?
the reaping syth is crushing me
lusty grotto
spell block
brittle fulcrum
is that it?
brittle fulcrum
gotcha didnt know if reflect or something
i thought i tried everything
but just felt like I was getting slapped
lusty grotto
spell reflect DR will help since it has a magic portion
brittle fulcrum
gotcha gotcha thanks
brittle fulcrum
i forgot about that sheet thanks
lusty grotto
neon elk
In floodgate on last boss do everyone gets a spark ? Or how many is there ?
sacred finch
Does anyone know if our tier set bonus is going towork with the talent that gives us avatar / shieldblock so that the proc effect will proc avatar aswell as shield block?
oblique cipher
In floodgate on last boss do everyone gets a spark ? Or how many is there ?
yep one per person
chrome falcon
is this viscera trinket still the worst thing in the game
or did it get a 800% buff like it needed
oblique cipher
yep, no way we survive until next reset
lusty grotto
keep dooming it wont happen
neon elk
Yea nerf tanks because dps cant press their buttons
lusty grotto
im convinced people that say things like these havent played other tanks
oblique cipher
yeah cuz i have the time to play all the tanks day 2 in the season
what even is this comment?
lusty grotto
what even was your comment?
chrome falcon
i have a prot pala doing a billion dps too but
lusty grotto
hmm
oblique cipher
bro taking max as a statistic
lusty grotto
why is it not a statistic?
oblique cipher
statistiks
chrome falcon
that will change over time obviously
lusty grotto
that includes shitter dps
lusty grotto
right
so whats your point
"no way we survive after next reset"
knowing that
"yeah week 1 with massive gear differences"
so that tells you everything you need to know
lusty grotto
if anything thane needs aoe buffs
chrome falcon
yeah
lusty grotto
i dont see the point of nerfing colossus
but if i had to guess, it would target demolish
so overall it won't be much
pallid quiver
If you think anything is inflated by S1 tier,
You really have no idea how much benefit that actually gives
S1 tier is like a 0.5% increase in damage
it was one of the worst tier sets in the entire game for that season
oblique cipher
whatever
vocal flame
Haha what a great name
tardy abyss
Haha what a great name
Just the details name tho, unfortunately
But whenever I join a pug as prot people are like "your damage is insane" lol
But its not even rare Im like 2nd in damage overall, pretty sad
strong forum
yep, no way we survive until next reset
you really think blizz is gonna nerf a tanks aoe damage?
during RWF?
tardy abyss
Nah
lusty grotto
like a huge disparity i mean
tardy abyss
Its not that huge tho
tardy abyss
So many players just suck
lusty grotto
you dont want outliers, its not good for the game
but that's not whats happening right now
tardy abyss
One prot pal in my guild can also do like 1.6 to 1.7M
tardy abyss
So that idk 300k dps we are ahead is fine
Considering we struggle at other things theyre good at
lusty grotto
thats why i said this #protection message
strong forum
tardy abyss
Priory first boss is fucking ass
strong forum
looks pretty healthy to me?
lusty grotto
yup
strong forum
y'all are just comparing to bad dps players on low keys without fortified
our dmg is frontloaded
lusty grotto
LOL
lusty grotto
y'all are just comparing to bad dps players on low keys without fortified
also told him that
oblique cipher
ok nvm then
strong forum
holy fuck these keys are so boring
inner belfry
Has anyone else experienced disconnects or the game crashing when doing Cinderbrew Meadery?
jagged pier
holy fuck these keys are so boring
Almost like a warned ppl the keys are bad this season
inner belfry
Yesterday i was running a m0 with some friends and the game crashed for 2 people during the run
Later it happened to me during a +3, and now watching another friend stream, some guy in his party disconnected and came back saying that the game crashed
brittle fulcrum
are there any route guides out that some one can point me too
oak ivy
press w
brittle fulcrum
lol i was hoping for more
mighty flame
are there any route guides out that some one can point me too
quazii on youtube has nice guide for each dungeon
lusty grotto
raider.io has base routes, quazii has some as well but yes its press W for the most part
kind urchin
Not a whole Lotta skips figured out yet so right now it's press w
oak ivy
lock gate 2nd to last in workshop
lusty grotto
only one with some real variation is floodgate really
can still do safe spot in motherload on last boss, can still leap the hill lol
oak ivy
TOP maaybe? but that's basically only "are you fighting the first pack" and "what boss order"
lusty grotto
but that doesnt really do much for routing
oak ivy
can still do safe spot in motherload on last boss, can still leap the hill lol
where safe spot
lusty grotto
the bfa safe spot
oak ivy
i didnt play BFA 
lusty grotto
hmm let me see if i can find a picture
oak ivy
tyty
vocal flame
Later it happened to me during a +3, and now watching another friend stream, som...
a couple groups I was in in Brew had the same issue when jumping on the bees during that boss fight. Instantly disconnected them
lusty grotto
not my screen, just googled razdunk to find an arena screenshot
you stand at green and the add bombing doesnt hit you
oak ivy
Interesting
lusty grotto
basically upper right of the lower left grate facing in
its always a safe spot
the only danger is if the gattling gun starts
and your dps/heals are forced to move out
if its synced with the bombing run you might have people take damage
oak ivy
Yeah when gatling gun happens during bombing run shit gets scary
inner belfry
a couple groups I was in in Brew had the same issue when jumping on the bees dur...
yea, this is what happened to my friend
lusty grotto
ill take a screenie when i go in later today
long bronze
why is stein in A tier, it sims for dogwater and only did like 50m healing in a dungeon, am I missing something?
urban portal
why is stein in A tier, it sims for dogwater and only did like 50m healing in a ...
You missed the part where it gives stats
long bronze
it had like 50% uptime at best for ~2500 str so 1250 strength? Regular trinket gives nearly 4k
lusty grotto
can you link the sim
long bronze
and if the strength was worth it it wouldn't sim for 60k less than my old arakara egg
sure
lusty grotto
@strong forum #protection message
lusty grotto
the point is sacbrood will cap out eventually
lusty grotto
the tier-ing in the guides arent designed for lower tracks
long bronze
is the sim broken because the 6/6 hero simmed for more than champ lol
simmed for less*
long bronze
yeah I know, I don't have my simc string right now
lusty grotto
ah
long bronze
so I had to pull it from armory and do it that way
lusty grotto
ok so Nome will have to address your question, but
i still stand by what i said, sacbrood will cap out on ilvl
long bronze
perhaps we're factoring the stats we're giving to friendlys but I ain't no simp
lusty grotto
so hero/myth track will just out ilvl it
long bronze
I'd hope so
here's a 6 darkcleft, it's healing was crap and the uptime was like 40% https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bHNTaMFhW6KJVt2c?fight=4&type=damage-done
long bronze
13% feels pretty mid
lusty grotto
swarmlords did 13-15% absorbs as well
so its on par
its pretty much on par
the strength proc will just get better with ilvl as well
long bronze
2617 * .40 = 1000 avg str seems like ass
strong forum
it had like 50% uptime at best for ~2500 str so 1250 strength? Regular trinket g...
it also buffs your group?
long bronze
how am I supposed to out dps them then
strong forum
right
strong forum
obv its shit for personal gain
prime sphinx
mugzee weapon not bis? or is it beaten by stats once we get 4p?
strong forum
wasnt/isnt implemented in sims when lists been written
tribal wharf
something something..... "YOGI... did you hear doom the dark ages is out for game pass??????" there i beat you all to it
strong forum
but they also turbo nerfed the weapon
long bronze
is stein implemented in the sims? I feel like it's not
strong forum
the group part isnt
tribal wharf
if i didnt say it, in the next day or so, someone would have tagged me, i didnt pre-order it or nor do i have game pass (despite having good ish pc and xbox series
it seems fun, but im not sure ill play it
long bronze
okay, yeah I wouldn't expect it to be, I'm not particularly convinced this thing is worth it. Thanks for the help fellas
strong forum
oh yeah i would personally not run it
but its objectively not a bad trinket
but id never run it
lusty grotto
yeah ive been focusing on tome / pacemaker farm for trinkets
but it would be nice if stein drops
i got a champ pacemaker at least
long bronze
if I was a guide writer, and I stuck it in A tier, I'd probably pick that trinket to add an explanation for
lusty grotto
idk it seems pretty straightforward
its a swarmlords replacement
instead of haste you get main stat
long bronze
was swarmlords in A tier
lusty grotto
B or C iirc
but everyone ran it
for push keys
this season though there are more good defensive options
tome on shield mode and gallywix trinket
lusty grotto
my vaults are always ass since legion so
im not hoping 🙂
well "chest" for legion/bfa
long bronze
lusty grotto
it is what it is
tribal wharf
nothing was worse than BFA
total shit show clown fiesta opening the chest or whatever it was
long bronze
I feel like that could copy paste to stein lol
tribal wharf
total total at the mercy of the game not saying fuck you
you get boots
boots that you have 4 pairs of and crafted better equipped
lusty grotto
and still people ran it for push keys
long bronze
I remember opening my box and getting mida's trinket twice in a row
lusty grotto
the problem is s1 didnt really have a lot of defensive options
it was the delve trinket and you would have to be fucking incredibly lucky to get it
the best one for us at least
that and swarmlords
long bronze
I just feel like your logic shouldn't work there, the only defensive trinket besides webslinger worth a shit was in C tier, and now an even more rng defensive trinket when there are more options is in A tier?
lusty grotto
what specifically
swarmlords didnt buff the group
thats what youre not seeing
so what logic specifically?
long bronze
Okay yes it buffs the group, but it's totally random who it goes on and when
lusty grotto
i think youre not seeing the forest for the trees
tribal wharf
i mean, yeah but thats like saying you know fuck. like, "back in the 1980s we had to go to the library to look up chemical proportions to use for or project and the type of material and how big the pipes should be, and now we got the internet" like as comparing BFA chest to SL Great Vault
its like, back in those days, its just what we had and we didnt even know a better option existed
lusty grotto
swarmlords was C tier because its offensive contribution was haste, while having an on par absorb with stein
so if you remove the absorb
long bronze
I'll take your word for it on the absorb, I don't have any swarmlords logs handy
lusty grotto
you get a similar self proc AND you get to buff the group upping the dps
tribal wharf
it was better than in 1900 when they just burned all the books cuz they were written by the deivl
lusty grotto
so it is objectively a better trinket which shoots it up a bit
long bronze
you could also on use it for an active defensive right
where stein is just a crapshoot
lusty grotto
I'll take your word for it on the absorb, I don't have any swarmlords logs handy
thats a sense log
long bronze
maybe a key level diff but brother that did twice the amount of healing as my stein
lusty grotto
i picked NW cause its a big pull dungeon like cinderbrew
long bronze
"absorbing" if you want to be technical
lusty grotto
alright
long bronze
that was also a 626 swarmlords
vs a 645 stein
19 ilvl lower trinket did twice the absorb amount
long bronze
it's horseshit
lusty grotto
yeah it does feel bad
long bronze
like none of the tank busters that actually hurt can be reflected
toxic pewter
oh damn they did didnt they
plush tendon
long bronze
floodgate is a crime against prot warrior
dusky canopy
where server!!!!
dusky canopy
I got a 10 dfc in bags
lusty grotto
LOL
dusky canopy
really looking for 6+ floodgate
that should give me 2k
but ye im down to run 6s or higher
i need to get tier slot items on hero track so i can catlyst 4 pc
lusty grotto
i gotta do the last boss in LFR just to see if i can snipe a shoulder
long bronze
I got hit by a 9m electrocrush from big-momma in a 7
dusky canopy
got curio and hero hands yesterday
lusty grotto
i raid tomorrow so we will see what i can land
fuck i hate fri-sat schedule but
its what i could find
toxic pewter
that should give me 2k
wat key lvls give 2k
long bronze
6/7?
dusky canopy
wed/thurs/monday is the best schedule
toxic pewter
does 8 6's give 2k
dusky canopy
yeah it should
toxic pewter
ok
dusky canopy
i have a 9 a few 8s a few 7s and 0 points from floodgate and im over 1800
toxic pewter
yeah damn might as well jsut do 7's over 6's for the crests alone
long bronze
timed 6s give like 240 io
toxic pewter
i have a 9 a few 8s a few 7s and 0 points from floodgate and im over 1800
are you playing arms
dusky canopy
yeah arms prioing boss blaster
long bronze
I think you'll come up a bit short with all 6s
dusky canopy
we recruited a good havoc so he just steals all of the padding
fine with me honestly going for boss damage instead has been fun
arms owns
toxic pewter
nice
dusky canopy
slayer arms with ravager feels awesome imo
bladestorming for 8 seconds is so bad now that i have a comparison
lmao
would be better if you actually trucked during that bs but meh
dusky canopy
id love to try one!
i can never find a 6+ one in que xD
they must get listed when im in a dif dungeon already
long bronze
just be prepared to SW every tank buster on 1st and last boss
raw parcel
I only did it on a 3. Group wasn't exactly solid, but that run felt harder than the 6/7s I've done. >_> That last boss is aids.
long bronze
trying to convince dps to funnel adds on big momma is fun
my overtime 7 was because of that boss
I'd hate to be a melee dps in that place, it's a giant middle finger to them
toxic pewter
floodgate seems ok to me i mean not my fav of all time but sorta fun imo
this entire patch is fun if i say so
long bronze
the dungeons are fun, I just think the tank busters in floodgate are very warrior unfriendly
did a mechagon and my hp didn't move, floodgate, I was very scared
long bronze
has anyone done motherload and had an issue with giga synced melees on the first area trash?
small quail
Floodgate is an abomination.
Shit is hella sweaty
small quail
just be prepared to SW every tank buster on 1st and last boss
Thunder Punch one shot me with SR and IP up on a 5. Felt good man.
unborn island
So the one thing I immediately think from S1 that they could change is that most of the dungeons now get you like 110% count if you press W
small quail
What's the CD roatation. DO I shield wall, and then SB?
lusty grotto
i actually do like floodgate
unborn island
Most of the S1 ones had some optionality about shit you could pull, but we are back to fucking skipping
lusty grotto
you only spell block
and wall when its down
thats it
viirtually all tank busters are spell blockable
so its the same deal as last season
except this time there's absolutely no damage reflect TBs
radiant perch
any one hand weapons crafter online ?
brazen kraken
is it worth using 2pc 2pc for prot?
lusty grotto
any one hand weapons crafter online ?
i am but crafting orders are server specific and only cross realm for guild members
also im NA
radiant perch
any one hand weapons crafter online ?
silvermoon eu anyone ?
vague abyss
viirtually all tank busters are spell blockable
was watching the reflect spreadsheet and is true, basically all the big attacks are magical o.o
which kinda sucks because less skilled prots (like me) will explode because i forgot to spell block xD
lusty grotto
lmao
tribal wharf
2025 and game devs with probably AI still cant spell check
lusty grotto
good catch yogi
tribal wharf
worn crest
Anyway put the joke aside how is the struggle on S2 M+?
I've timed a few 7s at 637 ilvl and feel good, so far. Tanky with high damage output. I've seen every healer but presvoker and have been told I'm easy to keep alive.
I'll do some 10+s this weekend and will have more of an idea after
strong forum
Anyway put the joke aside how is the struggle on S2 M+?
0
mobs do 0 damage cuz its tyr
once you do 10s you MIGHT notice mobs existing
bosses however can do some damage as some do unblockable damage 🙂
tacit smelt
Anyone having this issue in lfg where they only see the expac only dungeons (except floodgate)?
rain light
its bugged
vocal flame
What about this trinket. Sims worse DPS prob cause of the strength difference
about 7k difference
hollow tusk
hey guys, im very new to prot and gonna tank raid tonight (which i dont know yet either)
i've always heard it was super easy, yet i checked the wowhead guide(under prot war) and theres barely nothing, is it THAT easy or i need to care for more (like just swapping when my WA pack tells me to)?
in a nutshell i really dont care about optimizing my dps for now
lusty grotto
keep up SB as youre actively tanking
pallid quiver
Raid tanking is pretty much press your buttons and taunt when you need to.
You can even get by without CDs on Normal, and you sometimes don't even need them in Heroic
lusty grotto
hit SS on prio
lusty grotto
yes
hollow tusk
loud and clear thanks, so jsut dont fuck up placements i guess its all that matters
pallid quiver
I don't know if there's any real tank mechs other than swapping in this raid, but most fights have zero tank specific mechs other than taunt swap
lusty grotto
do those things then fine tune as you go along
hollow tusk
poggers, so it's really pepechill i guess ima try to keep that spot in the roster
hollow tusk
why no rage starve? so you dont get F'd where you should IP/block?
hot shale
First time tanking and I’ve picked prot, tanking mythic plus only and I’m transitioning from being a healer all my life. Really struggling with laying out all my keybinds and I’m a little overwhelmed by the sheer amount of buttons I have as a prot. Does anyone have any tips?
lusty grotto
so you dont get fucked when you should shield block
pallid quiver
It means you won't be able to Revenge
pallid quiver
Prot War can and should fill every single GCD
lusty grotto
and yes luerce is right
hollow tusk
yea like ive seen atm my max IP is barely 3mln i dont understand how it can be relevant
lusty grotto
you IP when youre close to cap, thats it
pallid quiver
It ends up giving you .ore rage and IP over time. It sounds counter intuitive, but trust us
hollow tusk
ok so just a spend for AM
pallid quiver
yea like ive seen atm my max IP is barely 3mln i dont understand how it can be r...
It helps bleed the small damage we already take, since we take less upfront damage than any other tank due to block, crit block, and strong upfront CDs
hollow tusk
you only mountain where exec matters if understood correctly?
pallid quiver
Yeah, it has a stronger Execute phase
hollow tusk
gotta look for the why, tyvm guys much appreciated
long bronze
more rage gen = more execute
hollow tusk
yea i assumed something like that but not sure how and why, just have to look at the spells
EXEC is prio over SS ?
or you still SS as much as possible for rage?
muted spire
What's the haste requirment for 100% uptime on shield block again?
hollow tusk
you guys are dope thank you so much
pallid quiver
First time tanking and I’ve picked prot, tanking mythic plus only and I’m transi...
Try to revise how you layout your keybinds; I've never had a major issue myself, and most people I have seen have keybind issues aren't really being economical with their space. They ignore keys like Z, X, C, F just for quick ones. Those, with shift and ctrl modifiers, are already 12 more buttons
long bronze
like 30% before ITF is active?
pallid quiver
What's the haste requirment for 100% uptime on shield block again?
0 with ITF
long bronze
I'm at 31% and don't have any issues
pallid quiver
Er, with HR