protection

[raw parcel]

Welcome to the tank club!

[vague stump]

so they didnt revert the collosus buff to prot. do we think it will stay that way

[round cliff]

no

[hardy snow]

nobody knows if its stay like that. we dont know if it was intentional or not, we dont know if blizz cares enough to work on this, we dont even know if blizz is even aware of that case

[clear crest]

Which buff?

[ionic fern]

30% damage to Demolish.

[strong forum]

They gotta make a new spellID for prot first, which I doubt is a high prio rn. Demolish the same spell for arms and prot currently

Same goes for execute BTW, so the 15% arms execute nerf can very likely hit prot aswell on reset

[agile elbow]

WoW slowly kinda devolving into the coding issues that FFXIV has. "We can't fix that issue because the programmer that created that system or code no longer works here."

(That's a legit excuse from a live letter for XIV. Lol.)

[strong forum]

[agile elbow]

Kinda like the extreme lag on patch day. Blizzard suffering from success. 🙃

[idle copper]

anyone know whats up withj raider io and the scores? the tables are mega skewed

[sharp gale]

It is a big limitation to have the game on server ticks

In 2025

[ancient reef]

played a bunch of keys as prot last night

the changes to rage gen are gonna take me some getting used to and the lower apm

my timing was just way off

felt like i was ding a shit job of keeping ip and sb up, logs showed it was up 85% of the time

[agile elbow]

Yeah. There are times I'm sitting there going WHERE IS MY RAGE

[ancient reef]

it didnt feel like it

[idle copper]

There is a WA aura that warns you to spell reflect but it quite frequently isn't targeted at you.

It's really good to use on pulsing magic damage

There are some boss spells where it's pretty OP

And certain mechanics like first boss in NW - When a player gets targeted by the adds, you spell reflect and intervene completely negating the damage

[clear crest]

Thanks for the tips. I did get the WA to announce reflect when something is targeting me. I feel text-speech in general is very helpful

[idle copper]

I've made on to give me a warning and a 5 to 1 countdown when Ignore pain is going to drop off so I don't waste any

[hardy snow]

couldn't they make just aura nerf specific for prot to decrease colo dmg?

[strong forum]

?

[small steeple]

No, because it's the same spell id

[strong forum]

they need to make a new aura

for demolish specifically

xd

no matter what, they have to create a new flag

[dense remnant]

gotta love blizz and their whitelists and flags

nothing can go wrong

[small steeple]

Unforunate part of coding, is you gotta refactor stuff all the time

At least it isn't as bad as refactoring an entire C code from pointers to "pointers to pointers". Probably. That sucked when I had to do that

[agile elbow]

Almost like it would be easier of they separated the DPS aspects from the tanking aspects so there's no overlapping in IDs to cause issues like this. But, you know, small indie company and all that jazz.

[small steeple]

Thats more work than you'd think, especially if they are using separate objects and object types

Then again, they might have an quick and easy system for that already with some other method to create new objects etc etc

[hardy snow]

I know it's same spell id, but I dont mean "nerf spell id by X", but give prot war specific aura "damage of spell id decreased by X"

[gleaming folio]

Hey all, just started leveling up my prot warrior from 70 to 80. It's the last tank I have to level, and I'm having the hardest time figuring out timings on stuff. It has about as many defensives as BDK, but all of the timers are really long. Is stuff like shield wall and last stand supposed to be used just in emergency and not part of standard rotation?

[ionic fern]

LAst Stand is a "meh" defensive.

SW is reduced by ANger Management.

You fill holes in your mitigation with Shield Wall.

[small steeple]

I don't think it can be done that way. The way I'm thinking of it is that each spell is a static variable, so it can't be changed for one spec and not the others. Thats why they need to just completely make a new spellid thats prot specific. Again I don't know how wow is coded so I can be wrong.

[cerulean tusk]

Luckily pwarrior only needs an aura nerf if any. And basing on numbers seen, we don't really need any.

On ST we are the same as BDK, and that is fair, being the class with little to no group utility.
On AoE we are there with VDH and ppaladin, keeping us relevant for content. As again, they bring more utility.

The moment we do less damage than anyone with utility, our ship sinks

[gleaming folio]

And then in dungeons, do I just use ravager, spear and shield charge on cool down for rage generation? Or just one per pack? They kinda feel weird in the rotation

[ionic fern]

On cooldown.

Unless the pack is about to die.

[small steeple]

@strong forum is Tome still gonna be bis after nerf?

[uneven violet]

had to stop early in s1 and only got ilvl aropund 618. done Ring quest yesterday and doing lorenhall campaign atm.
what else could i do this week to upgrade my stuff? or just better wait for next week?

[sick sentinel]

wait til next week, easier upgrades. if you do want to do something this week, do two pinnacle caches for 623 gear, but not important.

[chrome sapphire]

How is Colossus doing in M+/challenging content atm? Is there enough rage to get regular revenges in? Or does it all go into shield block and the new ignore pain?

[clear crest]

Copypasta of what I wrote to guildies:

1. Do the 11.1 quest line for 600+ items
2. Do 2x weeklies for Pinnacle Chests which give 626 gear
3. Fly and collect 90 Weathered Crests and craft 3x 629 gear
4. Get the 658 ring from Siren Isle. It will be bis for most until mythic rings
5. Renown 7 gives an item too

[keen leaf]

You dont "keep ip up" focus on sb and spend extra on ip

[strong forum]

yes

[uneven violet]

ty

[mighty valley]

There isn’t any challenging content right now but yeah, there’s enough rage to maintain the rotation, we just spam IP less (but each one is huge for colossus)

[lament forge]

yeaah less IP spam, takes some getting used to

absolutely pumps tho

the rage balancing between mitigation and spenders is a little diferent than last season MT

[chrome sapphire]

I saw some people are still running M+, what I meant. I ran Thane all last season, but Demolish, despite being an extra button to press, is actually kinda fun in a big numbers way.

[mighty valley]

Yeah we’ll be seeing eight digits regularly soon

[lament forge]

im only doing m plus to try out the rotations of the classes im playing, better than dummy practice

[toxic gyro]

Have you’d seen bdk’s aoe? They do as much as warrior if not more.

[proud heart]

it has behun

its happening again

2 in a row

can we get 5

[idle copper]

I've gonna from doing mega chill +10s to doing mega chill +13
With IP uptime 70% on IP I'm doing DPS levels of DPS - just done a +10 to try into the fray out and I topped DPS with the group +2ing it

[proud heart]

oh wrong channel

i was dooming for arms

my bad

[idle copper]

With Heavy repercussions im at 98/99% uptime on SB

With Into the Fray (only did a +10) I was at 93% SB

[mighty valley]

what’s your haste at prebuff

also uptime is a misleading metric sometimes

[idle copper]

20,300
36%

[idle copper]

Fair one but it's all I've got to go off

[mighty valley]

If you do a log you can see how many hits you’re blocking

[idle copper]

With flask and full IttF I think it's 48% haste

[idle copper]

I'm not very good at reading the logs :)

[round cliff]

i thought intervene only intervenes MELEE damage

like it says in the tooltip

[idle copper]

Talented it does spell dmg

[round cliff]

talented?

[idle copper]

My bad that's on Mountain Thane (which I'm not using any more)

[round cliff]

o

[idle copper]

Storm shield in Thane tree

[idle copper]

Be nice if they baked some more flavor into the default option - give us a bit more utility base line

[mighty valley]

intervene randomly blanks a mechanic roughly once a season but yeah it’s pretty inconsistent

[mighty valley]

If you share one here folks can tell you what’s worth looking at

[idle copper]

Intervene to target with furious vigour stamping on the ground creating a cloud of dust that reduces magic dmg by X amount

[idle copper]

This was the +10 to just try Into the Fray Out
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/j9BQ8ndwT1FN7mKt?fight=last

[mighty valley]

If you go to your Damage Taken and mouse over melee hits it’ll show what percentage were blocked

I’d do it but I’m on mobile

[idle copper]

It says blocked hits 88.84%

[idle copper]

I should go back to Heavy repercussions?

[mighty valley]

Your haste isn’t quiiiiiite high enough for super comfy ITF but you’ll get big ilvl increases next week

Plus bloodborne over indomitable is deranged lol

[toxic gyro]

your dmg overall is bit low, 88% blocked is not bad, but you either play wrong or don't have enough haste for itf.

[idle copper]

which ones bloodborne?

[mighty valley]

The far right talent, increased bleed damage

Tiny dps increase

[idle copper]

Ive been doing 1.3 to 1.5 , not sure why that run was so low tbh

[idle copper]

Ill change it thank you

[dense remnant]

how much raw haste rating did you guys have before jumping to ITF?

i know next tierset is gonna make that number go down a lot, but wanna know now

[small steeple]

Think its around 18k?

[dense remnant]

so basically couldnt afford to have almost any non haste piece?

[toxic gyro]

I see. Also swap that molten furnace trinket for ara kara one or something else. Only play Swarmlord's if it makes you feel safer (personally i would swap it too for 2nd dps trinket).

[small steeple]

Yeah, next season no reason to not run it with the more haste i think

[dense remnant]

ye ye, just makes sense that i dont have quite enough haste, given i geared up in the last 3 weeks of the season

[idle copper]

Im a bit of a coward, i like def trinkets

[dense remnant]

but also might just end up not running ITF at the start of the season even in raid, cos im not comfy on prot or raid tanking yet

[small steeple]

Hey while you guys are doing this, can you look over some of my logs? I've only done 3 12's and using that way to look at block hits I get around 75% so kinda low

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/y978JKqxAgvXpjPT?fight=4&type=summary
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QrjMmKTpth8G9LYV?fight=26&type=summary
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QrjMmKTpth8G9LYV?fight=28&type=summary&source=4

[toxic gyro]

that furnace did 4% of your healing and no dmg. Pretty useless.

[idle copper]

Fair one :)
Ive got a 639 Ara as well

[mighty valley]

plays def trinkets out of fear, doesn’t play indomitable

[toxic gyro]

100% better. Ara kara trinket is very strong. You will get more value defensively of sheer amount str from it than from that furnace trinket.

[idle copper]

Ive swapped it, if I die I will think bad thoughts about you :)

It puts me up to 54% for 4 stacks of ITTF (56% for some reason now)

[toxic gyro]

If you die it means you made a mistake. Ara kara gives you more defensive value than that molten furnace trinket lol.

[toxic gyro]

With Heavy Repercussions there's no reason to be below at least 95%, some random back hits happen sometimes when you group up the packs, etc. You need to work on pressing and tracking your SB.

[mighty valley]

I’m not really used to what colossus logs look like this patch but make sure you’re still hitting every ss, you might be hitting revenge a little over eagerly, hard to tell

You’re bleeding a bit of rage too, nothing chronic but something to stay on top of

[small steeple]

Hmm ok, I'll keep on top of SB more and hit revenge a lil bit less

[oak ivy]

full stacks Colo Revenge

thane revenge

[small steeple]

go brr

[oak ivy]

[cerulean tusk]

Depends on number of targets and duration. On 5t it is leagues ahead of Warrior other than demo detonation itself. On giga AoE with bloodbeast BDK is ahead.
Still, Pwarrior is generally just better stable DPS. As it isnt based around DRW ability to ramp up the bloodbeast and bloodboils.

Notice, I did not say BDK AoE was bad or worse. I used them as the example for ST comparisment, as BDK and Pwarrior are the two premium ST DPS tanks.

[keen leaf]

🧢

[cerulean tusk]

Pwarr was right after BDK, from last numbers I saw. Followed closely by gdruid and brew. This no longer the case?

[small steeple]

Brew is bottom for single target dps

[cerulean tusk]

The heck happened to them during the PTR?

Not exact sience data, but:

Things actually moved quite badly for brew, I am suprised

[urban bane]

blame equinox

idk if that's true, just seems like a safe bet

[cerulean tusk]

Ngl, seeing teddy getting pushed up over pwarr makes me happy

Nome clearly didnt play this week tho, look at Pwarrior. Smh, monsterhunter killed the numbers

[small steeple]

which boss is this??

[cerulean tusk]

Oh in case blizz is around:

These are the offical numbers

Buff Pwarrior

[keen leaf]

I dont think brew moved, I think everyone else just went up

[cerulean tusk]

Brew even got a 15% instead of 20% treatment, as they were ahead. Fbm

I just pray it wont be another tier of BDKs holding dam, cause brew can lose threat

DRW double DS crit go burrr

[idle copper]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fdr2hvRN6Z4gJGat?fight=last&type=damage-done

Just done a DB 14 and was 1.2M on Details this time.

I think im getting hit more with IITF so im panicing and spamming IP rather than doing more DPS with Heavy Repercussions

[mighty valley]

Yeah your brain wants to overspend on IP when you see your hp move, but dropping too low on rage to keep pressing buttons is what kills you evebtually

[cyan bronze]

sael said he pushed a pr yes

[ancient reef]

is that dotc for guardian so the raid talent

[tardy oak]

guys prot looking good?

[idle copper]

Yep

[tardy oak]

not sure what melee to roll, pala warr or dk, playing as DPS and Tank OS role

set bonuses are good?

[sturdy trench]

yo is the prot bug just 30% more demolish dmg

so overall arround 7% dmg??

[urban bane]

? it isnt a bug

it is blizzard painting themselves into a corner

[lament forge]

Pumps as colossus. Honestly with the season 2 changes every spec should be just fine for 12s at least

[urban bane]

but yes the buff to colossus demolish buffed both arms and prot because theyre the same spell id

[small steeple]

1-2% single target, 4-5% in aoe

[sturdy trench]

i mean its only demolish nothing else y

cause ppl calling prot bugged but tbh this aint that big anws

[fair beacon]

Which authority is better for the weapon? depths or radiant power?

[jagged gust]

[fair beacon]

Just curious to what people went with

[hearty terrace]

Whats this?

[hearty terrace]

And this what one is the real one

[nimble plover]

So people do we have to/should do anything but campaign if all u want is to spam keys and get sparks 😛
Valorstones seem to almost cap by just doing campaign and i guess the needed crests will be given from keys anyways

[cyan bronze]

why do people keep calling this a bug

like

idk this happens all the time across many specs

[supple meadow]

i was wondering which is better for questing, arms or fury

i'm just trying to make things die faster

[cerulean tusk]

Pwarr, demolish them

[cerulean tusk]

ST in raid over the week, ST in the raid over 1 day. Both are scuffed data, as players dont play atm, the serious ppl dont play and the 1 day data is even worse.

[small steeple]

both are great. press button do big damage while leveling

[supple meadow]

not leveling, just trying to make things die faster in undermine lol

[cerulean tusk]

Just play pwarr, demolish everything

gg ez clap

[small steeple]

yeah i one shot most opwen world trash in undermine with ss

use demolish on big aoe

profit

[supple meadow]

understandable

[small steeple]

cant go wrong with arms tho

big hit rah

smash

is it bad that i have ravager and spear with [@player] macros?

[remote anchor]

for ravager probably fine

[hearty terrace]

Ah okey good to see Pwar is in a good spot not stupid op like what every streamer thought

[cerulean tusk]

Screaming things being OP or dead gets the most clicks

always take what they say with two cartloads worth of salt

[hearty terrace]

100% that's way I've wanted to see stats but also the APL come out yet(sim data)

[round cliff]

yea and thats why we getting nerfed

[idle copper]

Prot warrs a bunch of fun, I find fury kinda tedious.
I think all the tank set bonus just proc their main Def, as such DH will likely be the more fun factor

[idle copper]

It's a feature

[cerulean tusk]

If they dont nerf Demolish, we might be looking at the most fun tank season for Warrior in ages

Actual impactful ultimate ability in WoW feels great

[static bronze]

Feels so good - cant wait to main warrior and have them demolish the ability in a week!

[cerulean tusk]

[static bronze]

legit firs tmonth of season i play everything just so i can figure out what they are going to make unplayable then move on haha

[hearty terrace]

There's ways to min max it right? Like just throwing it on CD not the play you can do more with it?

[mighty valley]

you might wanna wait a few secs to make sure you have avatar up when you hit it but you really don't want to hold it long, a ton of the value comes from the debuff it applies

[cerulean tusk]

There is minmax, you want 10 stacks of Demo and Ava running during the cast. That is it

[mighty valley]

and holding it is wasting cdr

in raid there might be places you hold it for add packs, i dunno the fights yet

[covert helm]

Don't think there's any real pad fights this time around

maybe Gally has some as it wasn't tested, but based on the adventure guide they're not like big groups or anything

[ancient reef]

hows the crest cap thing work, like i got 76/90

can i spned those this week and get 90 more next

[alpine matrix]

yeah, the cap increases each reset

[cerulean tusk]

I keep forgetting that they bring back the cap each time

._. Makes me sad every time

[small steeple]

its not a cap though, or rather, isn't it how much you can ever get?

[urban bane]

correct. if you are at 90/90 in a given week, spend 30, you cant get 30 more that week

valor stones can be replinished, crests cannot

[sharp olive]

I played instigate with blood surge, dropped rav

Felt really good for the rage economy in colossus

[pale badge]

Potentially noob question: Why do the rotation guides seem to want me to be casting taunts on pull?

instead of saving for if someone rips threat?

e.g.,

[urban bane]

taunt is a low cd and gives you a threat multiplier for its duration. if you know theres a prio mob which is gonna get slapped hard you taunt on engage so you do beaucoup threat

[mighty valley]

i typically taunt on pull in raid but not usually big trash pulls unless there’s a real obvious prio mob

but remember you can always hold leap for the taunt reset (most random mechanic in the kit)

[pale badge]

this is very helpful, ty!

[pale badge]

i did not know this was a thing lol

i timed some 14s this season and didn't know either this or that taunt applies a taunt multiplier

TIL

[mighty valley]

I don’t think most players know all of how taunt works

[urban bane]

yeah it does a couple weird things the game doesnt explain too well

[pale badge]

I seem to recall that back in the day it would just put you at like, 105% threat of whomever had most threat? And never updated how it worked in my brain

[mighty valley]

yeah it does that, forces attacking for the duration, but also buffs your threat to help you establish the lead

since presumably that’s what you want

[urban bane]

♥️mwahi

[orchid mural]

Taunt can be so useful: For example: let's say you need to stay in melee range of a boss, like last boss of Halls of Infusion. If you need to emergency run out, or worried about getting back to the boss after a knock, you can press taunt before, and the boss won't hit a melee, but will instead just look at you and do nothing.

[oak ivy]

So, looking at the intensity of the tank hits in LoU.. are we sleeping through this raid???

Like, Mythic Gallywix's tank buster only hits for 20% more than Ansurek's feast.

[cerulean tusk]

We will know when we seen what the secret phase throws at us

[bleak breach]

Anyone know how many ilvl outweighs embellishment?

[cerulean tusk]

+9-12 ish? A raidbots question. Depends kinda. I would just say go for higher ilvl for more armor/str in 99% of scenarios

[bleak breach]

Hmmm yeah, these ones just don’t seem as necessary as the DF ones were

[covert helm]

Impossible to know about Gally as he wasn't tested - very much possible that there's a secret mythic phase or smth

[unborn island]

Anyone got a custom details script which actually tells you the % of melees blocked?

Or...know where I can find that in the standard settings?

[oak ivy]

I see your impossible to know and raise you Dungeon journal

this shit looks kinda wimpy

About the same numbers-wise as M Rashanan

Granted you'd be eating a 4stack

[cerulean tusk]

They are going to make this tier easier, as guilds are dying left, right and centre.

Now, we dont know what Gally gonna do, as there is a secret phase

Maybe he shoots a tankbuster of death and decay. Maybe he is untankable. Maybe Xaletath? Xal... the shadowpriest dagger waifu, shows up and makes everything voidy and Gally fires all the giant cannons at her

who knows

[oak ivy]

What I'm hearing is: Yeah this tier's gonna be a snoozefest except for maybe gallywix

Not to say the raid isn't gonna be fun, it looks fucking dope, but it also looks giga easy to tank

[cerulean tusk]

We will see when we see it

Again, they are aiming to make it easier

[oak ivy]

pog

[small steeple]

just means moar parses

[oak ivy]

tru.

[mortal cypress]

I already linked what he does

[cerulean tusk]

The secret phase?

[mortal cypress]

yes

[cerulean tusk]

Mind showing to when you did? Cant find it

[mortal cypress]

https://x.com/aertemisha/status/1895339689038750061

kate ❤︎ blade of miquella (@aertemisha) on X

LEAK confirms MYTHIC-ONLY phase for Gallywix!!

🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨

At 10% Gallywix spawns the Battlenet shop and your raid team has 15 seconds to buy at least 4 items without complainging or it's a wipe.

X · Feb 28, 2025, 5:06 AM

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/tony-stark-gif-20710889

[mortal cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-boy-cowboy-gif-10666429685024450065

[vocal pewter]

I'm swapping PWar for our guild, and wondering if it's worth to craft a few items to up ilvl. Would it be risky to just craft mh/shield now?

[cerulean tusk]

Just farm a shield from M+ till you can craft or get a mythic one

ez pz

[vocal pewter]

I was just curious if it would be stupid to craft items now only to get replacements in raid

[cerulean tusk]

It is a value quesiton up to you. But it is likely just more efficent to just farm out a HC shield while you farm some gear for the raid in m+ with the team

[jagged gust]

I finally got my myth shield last week

So uh, just don't be unlucky and you'll be fine

[native ember]

i got my mythic shield this week outta vault couldnt upgrade it so didnt get the tmog sadge i had a crafted one the entire season

[small steeple]

I used a crafted one the whole season

[vocal pewter]

are we using ascendence or lining?

[hearty terrace]

Guide says dusk ?

[hearty terrace]

Hey am I reading right that we take out Skipper and put in highest seccindary stat?

[jagged gust]

"As a result, Windsinger's is now slightly better than Legendary Skipper"

[hearty terrace]

Yesh cool so I was reading right 🙂

[hardy snow]

Rasha had 9.2m physical + 2.3m nature damage, this one have 53,6m physical, but the dot seems smoother, its every 3s for 22s instead of every sec for 12s, but there are also another tankbusters on Gallywix fight

[jagged gust]

tbh I haven't checked myself, Archi generally only covers info on DPS specs

[sharp gale]

We can already craft items ?

(I would wait my first season 2 vault before crafting)

[vocal pewter]

Yes, with undermine crests

[sharp gale]

Don’t you need a spark ? We can get the second half already ?

[vocal pewter]

recrafts

[sharp gale]

Im in monster hunter mindset until release lel

Okok does it not require a season 2 spark to use a season 2 crest ?

If it’s with carved crests I don’t see why would you craft smh equivalent to veteran gear

[sullen gust]

Following a question i saw in the arms channel, is it worth stacking up juggernaut in the same way that arms does in raid? Or is it a damage loss to worry about keeping the stacks up and just taking the passive damage increase in execute phase?

[hearty terrace]

Whats the difference in Dps/Suvival with Dawn/Dusk thread embellishments

[sharp gale]

Dawn gives crit / parry chance, dusk give vers, % dmg and half % DR

[proud acorn]

Heya, I have searched Wago for a bit but didn't really find anything, is it possible to get a WA to alert (audio or text/glow/whatever) you when Shield Slam resets?

[urban bane]

group wasnt great but man this spec is goofy lul

didn't even run immovable object

[jagged gust]

We don't really have the same tools as arms to immediately stack jugg in exe without running in to empty GCDs

Still need to prio SS/TC, and revenge instead of exe occasionally depending on rage

Keeping the stack going is optimal, but it plays closer to how fury keeps ashen jugg stacks up for the most part

[hearty terrace]

Lol key lvls?

[urban bane]

14 13 mists

[weak ether]

What talents did you run?

[urban bane]

same colossus build as s1

just DA instead of IW

[weak ether]

Whats DA whats IW? 🤣

[hearty terrace]

Yesh okey that's cool!

[urban bane]

defenders aegis; impenetrable wall

[clear crest]

My warr is only 627 atm, but managed to beat a 3k rio mage yesterday in +11 GB. Pretty sure it was a bought account tho :)

[urban bane]

[untold hinge]

hey guys i just have a question, its my first time playing and im really nervous about doing m+ becuase i have always felt like im way to weak for my group, I play proc warrior and i was just wondering what do u guys think my item level should be for each m+ teir

[pallid quiver]

The biggest issue with an answer to that is that it really depends on your own comfort level and how well versed you are with the spec. There's a lot of things that can stop a key from succeeding, and not all of it is gear. A lot of people can't do keys until they just even straight out outgear them to make up for their play.

The easiest baseline metric for most levels of M+ keys is to just get to whatever Heroic dungeons drop for ilvl, as many pieces as you get from M0,

And just see where you can get to

[untold hinge]

well like

oaky

so i have already done a lot

im about teir 5 on most dungions

some i have like an 8

most time im middle dps

i was just wondering like if there is any ilvl like usggestions for the tiers

[pallid quiver]

Have you felt like you've hit a wall anywhere? If you haven't, you probably just need to push more keys.

[untold hinge]

some dude yelled at me and was like U NEED 230 for all keys 9 and over get that NOW

[pallid quiver]

There's not any common suggestions, since what ilvl people will need week 1 is gonna drastically vary, even in this chat

[untold hinge]

and i was like oh i didnt know

[pallid quiver]

yeah your average key runner is absolutely insane

and has zero idea what's going on

and just want to be carried for free loot

So I'd recommend just ignoring it unless you get actual substance behind the criticism

There's more important things to work on that will help make keys succeed, like defensive CD management and handling interrupts

If you get good at those, you can hit way above your weight limit in terms of gear for the content, since most damage in M+ is avoidable

[untold hinge]

YEAH

okay

cool

thank u

[pallid quiver]

I'd recommend if you feel any stress about keys to actually log yourself in keys, then come back here for some review. It can help to know what to focus on in future keys, since it'll keep your mind focused on things you as a player can actively help with while running dungeons. You'll get gear as you do so, solving all the problems at once.

If you actually provide a log of a run, people are generally pretty nice as long as you're putting in honest effort (pressing buttons more than once every 5 seconds, etc)

[untold hinge]

how would i go about

doing that...

[pallid quiver]

oh the logging guide isn't in pins

Give me a sec and I'll link you to a post about it

If you pop in here, there's a write up about it
#protection message

[iron pumice]

I play arms a lot, so I’m pretty unknowledgeable about prot, I know Colo damage is really high right now but is that just because people are smashing postseason keys and playing more damage talents? When you’re “pushing”, not even, just doing like 14’s and higher are people gonna have to start swapping to tankier builds and give up damage

[pallid quiver]

Logs will tell us what you're actually doing all throughout a dungeon, so we can give you tailored advice

[pallid quiver]

colo damage has always been high

And it survives off doing damage

It gets a lot of leech value + Brutal Vit value due to larger applications of IP making it stay a bit longer around, and the higher damage makes the amount flowing into IP higher, so it bleeds off more damage

There's not really any meaningful changes you could do to improve your DPS by a lot in M+ for Colo, so it's pretty much the build that's gonna be run for Colo. It's technically less tanky than Thane, but you're not likely to run into a situation where the specific survival benefits you get are worth it. It would be less overhead to manage, though, since Thane tends to be easier to play, so I wouldn't be surprised if people pushing highest keys as Prot War went to Thane

[iron pumice]

Ahh, I’m also seeing there was a lot of prot war stuff done in “offseason” it seems? Was wondering why if Colo damage has always been so high why I never see them pushing as MT prot last season. Thank you!

[pallid quiver]

Colo got a lot of defensive buffs moving into S2, so the gap is smaller

Colo always did more damage, but damage wasn't what was stopping keys. Neither was tank survival stopping keys (Not to say it wasn't hard, but you weren't absolutely scrounging for ways for the tank to live; if a tank died, it was a bricked key ofc, but there wasn't anything that hard locked specs as far as people found out) It was mostly DPS/Heals living large enough pulls through a combo of interrupts/damage to make it through some big super pulls.

The tl;dr is that you'll see more people play Colo because popular belief is that it got buffed to doing absurd damage (it already did notably more in AOE in S1) and because the defensive gap is smaller (Colo gets extra rage gen on SS for example now), but you can play whichever you like

[formal geyser]

Prot DPS go crazy

[pallid quiver]

We're not really that crazy even in Colo; other tanks (except brew, rip them) are all close or even higher iirc

[formal geyser]

I haven’t seen it

[pallid quiver]

There's a non-zero execution challenge on that, though, since they're harder to play

meanwhile, you press revenge and bam boom top the DPS charts

[round cliff]

ive found a love for dual blades in monhunwilds

maybe i am a fury main after all

[idle copper]

DH..

[round cliff]

trueee

id play DH if i didnt hate it

i like the aesthetic

[supple meadow]

are world bosses not showing for yall

[iron pumice]

You’re a legend mate thank you!

[iron pumice]

Brews my main tank stop it rn ):

[idle copper]

I hate the NE model tbh

[jagged gust]

You say that like female Kul Tiran doesn't exist

https://tenor.com/view/girl-youre-bigger-than-bowl-gif-3564320

[hearty terrace]

We are technically middle of the pack in pure St

[sharp gale]

I finished the game it seems

No more main quest, does it continue ? It no longer ask me to rank up

Im still a charge blade enjoyer, I can’t find another wep that I like as much

[split remnant]

So the general consensus is that warrior is middle of the pack because it has "shit" survival but has insane damage?

I think I am going dps this season. Seems it will be really fun. And if I want to tank it will most likely be prot pala because why bother with something that isnt S+++ tier

[sharp gale]

Ok

[night heron]

Hello, I saw a week ago on the guides that it was recommended to drop Cyrce's Signet once we got Heroic track rings; how has this changed with the recent nerfs to Signet?

[unborn island]

3k today doesn't mean what it did 10 days ago, they made keys very easy 🙂

For reference - my best mists was 14+2 before last week, on Wednesday I 2 chested a 16 and it was easier than a 13

[dense remnant]

dafuk happened

[daring narwhal]

Isn't it just the new scaling ? With the 10% nerf to overall health and scaling reduced from 10% to 7% for keys below 10 ? Meaning a 15 from now is a ~12 from before ?

[clear crest]

Also most of the classes got buffs which makes the keys even easier

[dense remnant]

oh right, that got changed

[swift orbit]

So when people say warrior is great but squishy.. does that mean they cannot live giga pulls in +20, or that they fall over in 12s? Really like what they’ve done to Colo prot

[cerulean tusk]

Who says warrior is squishy? We are bricks. We hit hard and can take a hard hit.
Our only issue is the limit of utility of a brick when you need a medkit

[unborn island]

All classes gonna be tanky until like 16/17 this season if played well imo

Maybe even like 20#

With the new scaling I didn't even play that well in that 16 as was trying a new build and it was cake.

If that's the new scaling I think it's likely survivability isn't gonna be an issue until very high

[round cliff]

NE stinky alliance

horde only

[swift orbit]

Literally every content creator. Dorki and Yoda to name a few. “Good damage, can’t survive as well as DH and pal”

[dense remnant]

how dare you

altho depends which NE model you mean

[hardy snow]

Yea, I still remember how Yoda was complaining how squishy warr is in beta, when he was getting hits in the back

[jagged gust]

Streamers don't garner much respect around these parts

[idle copper]

I was chilling out doing 10s for vault, 13s and 14s felt similar (to the old 10) . Varied a bit as some runs (a few) had +630 DPS pulling 500-700k DPS...

[agile elbow]

Trying to train my brain to not spam IP is rough.

[cerulean tusk]

DH in meta can live without healer doing anything, is more what they pointing too. Warrior doesn't flop through shieldwall, we just need some healing once in a while.
Now, most content creators, Yoda especially, is very out of touch when it comes to warrior. We were laughing our asses off in here when he kept calling warrior bad, as he clearly did not have time or effort put into warrior.

Keep in mind, content creators often prop up what they prefer, then what they know.

BDK still S+++ tier?

[agile elbow]

It's also funny when they're like, "It's too squishy!" And they literally have 3 mobs hitting them from behind.

[cerulean tusk]

warrior squishy, dies with wall on CD

[lean aurora]

Friends I need help. I’m learning M+ and tanking. Last night in Stonevault we tried to do a large first pull to the stairs.

I could not stay alive. About the time I’d get to the third pack and have everything rounded up I’d blown my CDs, popped a pot and was out of steam. ilvl = 615.

Is there something I can read about large trash mob pulls? I’m totally fine on ST and tankbusters, etc.

[tribal wharf]

key level

is important

[lean aurora]

Sorry, 5.

Low key.

[tribal wharf]

probably no kicks if i had to guess without logs

[lean aurora]

(But highest I’ve done in my life.)

[cerulean tusk]

If I had to guess, you are pulling in a way where you get hit in the back while gathering. You can make that pull supersafe by:
Opening with shieldcharge for instant shieldblock, pop shieldwall and leap into the next gang. Then taunt in the last pack.
While the mobs run at you, place your back to a wall

[tribal wharf]

there is at least 2 or 3 dudes in that pull that spam whatever bolt type thing at your party members at random and it really hurts if not kicked

rest is point shield at pack

[lean aurora]

I definitely had my back to them for some time. That makes sense.

[tribal wharf]

where is the gif of cat bonked with newspaper

[cerulean tusk]

Always strafe run as a warrior to avoid getting hit from behind. And always have shield block up.
Come back if you still struggle with a vid, and we will have a look

[tribal wharf]

rule 1 of shield wearing tanks, always, always nomatter what, point shield at enemy and have up shield block

[lean aurora]

I’ll give it another shot. Thanks for the help!

[cerulean tusk]

Gl and hf

[daring narwhal]

Any cool interv to do in S2, like boralus 2nd boss or necrotic first boss ?

[remote anchor]

xalataths guile doesnt exists rn

thats why keys are easier

[gleaming folio]

Question, why does prot warrior want the dawn/dusk thread lining for their embellishment? It seems every other tank wants the ascension sigil

[mighty valley]

the difference is unbelievably tiny, wouldn’t stress about it

it does help that we typically get more uptime on the threads since our health barely moves when things are going well

[tribal wharf]

its bc there isnt one for haste, far as i can see on wowhead

[dusk bramble]

is there a golden rule to remember for whether Prot wants to go Mountain Thane vs Colossus?

[lime mantle]

Fucked up that people still forget warrior is a cripple with zero (meaningful) self healing and try to play them like BDK, VDH or paladin then complain they are made out of wet paper.

[lime mantle]

Dwarf?
-Thane
Not dwarf?
-Colossus

Colossus hits harder but is a bit less tanky iirc is the general takeaway

[fair beacon]

Question: despite the nice way mountain thane may synergize and the nerfs to colossus, many are suggesting this season to still be colossus-dominant. Upon reviewing suggested builds, some are saying that mythic+ and Raid are mostly the same, but they take spear for the raid and dragon roar for dungeons. any ideas as to why (if anything, I thought the dragon roar would be more versatile)?

[cyan bronze]

ppala survability isn't why theyre brought

tbf

[jolly bough]

First time trying colossus for me. Is execute basically unused now? According to the priority, revenge would be a rage spender ahead of execute.

[ionic fern]

That's definitely not the case.

[ionic fern]

Roar and Spear are pretty close in damage.
You would pick the one that fits the situation.

E.g stacked adds? Spear.
Spread? Roar.
etc.

Roar is also easier to use, especially in m+.

[urban portal]

Send the screenshot

[fair beacon]

also shorter cd, better for potential messups. think imma stick to roar in general

[tribal wharf]

spear has the edge in cc 200 iq warrior brain plays

basically druid vortex

like, if you do that, and then i want to say its tornadoe but the purple ... tornadoe... wind icon thing typhoon, well, its not quite a stun, might be a knockdown

they cant even cast anything for some frames due to being bounced around in air

[fair beacon]

hmmm, thanks for the info mate. just one more thing: how worth is SPELL BLOCK in raid? wanna see if Imma take it or opt for the more damage options?

[urban bane]

depends on fight, sometimes it interacts with tank busters and even mitigates magic dots left by tank busters. for more info see https://tinyurl.com/TWWreflects

[fair beacon]

thanks mate 🙂

[urban bane]

If it says Blockable in blue text that means spell block interacts with it

[round cliff]

execute is still the go-to spender when its available over revenge yea?

but im still pressing my free revenges

[urban bane]

apart from keeping shield block up and IPing as needed to avoid cap yea

But in big aoe im sure theres a point when revenge out damages it

may even be lower than that cause revenge gives cdr to demolish but execute does not

[round cliff]

should specify in st

my ass is NOT pressing IP in st if i can press execute instead

thats a healer problem

[mighty valley]

i think it's just three targets when you ditch execute entirely, unless you want prio damage

[atomic basalt]

Ayy waddup

Any prot pvpers

[blazing condor]

not me

[atomic basalt]

Zamn

Ever tried it

[blazing condor]

sry my slime

[atomic basalt]

It's pretty decent

[blazing condor]

i always had success playing prot pvp

its fun

but never went past 1600 or something with it

not much of a pvper

[atomic basalt]

Zamn bruhh

I seen a few guys get up to 2.7 in shuffle

I jus wanna know how

[blazing condor]

im sure its better now

[atomic basalt]

🧍🧍

[blazing condor]

i pvped in like SL

[atomic basalt]

Naah it got nerfed to shit

Second or third day

I mean it's a little better i guess

It would be good if they buffed it,the nerf is huge

Absolutely massive

[blazing condor]

bro still draggin git

[atomic basalt]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[lean aurora]

Question: I'm working the dummies, and I cannot get my SB uptime over 75 percent. That's hitting it and shield charge on cooldown. Rage isn't the issue, just cooldowns. How are people reaching 100 percent?

[agile elbow]

Get more haste.

[lean aurora]

What's a good target %?

[atomic basalt]

Whats sb bruh

[lean aurora]

Shield block.

sorry.

[atomic basalt]

Aaah aight

U aint gotta be sorry

[vocal cave]

talent heavy repercusions

[lean aurora]

my haste is.... 12%.

Which suddenly feels bad.

[atomic basalt]

Daam that's low

What's ur main stat rn

It doesn't matter really

New season is starting

U gotta change ur gear anyways

[atomic basalt]

Aah mastery

U play prot pve?

[lean aurora]

Yeah. Not well. But yeah.

[atomic basalt]

Ever tried in shuffle?

[lean aurora]

I take it into BGs some times. Super fun.

[atomic basalt]

Go shuffle with crit gear and spam slam

It does big dam

[lean aurora]

This immediately took it up to 98 percent up time. THANK YOU.

[unborn island]

What is this I'm hearing about us being nerfed in here?

[supple meadow]

so just a disclaimer, i'm not gonna do it, but has anyone tried to play prot warrior with hekili? how does it do?

i'm gonna assume bad since hekili is pretty bad at telling you when to use your defensives

but like, it's just a curiosity i have

[mighty valley]

our damage looks good in meaningless end of season keys, plus demolish got a buff that appeared to be only intended for arms

but we got this week’s tuning and they’re not touching us so

all’s good

[nimble ridge]

playing colossus,
wanting to take disrupting shout for pugs,
what do I drop for it? :/

[small steeple]

show of force

[idle copper]

this really should be baked into challenging shout

[nimble ridge]

yeah, I need show of force for my TotalBiscuit voice 500k revenge crits!

[wicked pollen]

???

you never drop show of force as colo

[small steeple]

theres no other option to drop to get it. Even @strong forum has said thats the one to drop to get the aoe silence

[wicked pollen]

the answer is dont play it

[small steeple]

Wow. How helpful.

[mild river]

It's not even aoe silence. It's aoe interrupt (which is super useful) but with casters having more than one type of casting, sometimes it's kinda bad

[vocal cave]

just death grip them

[small steeple]

i mean, i agree, its not worth it, but if you were to take it, thats the only talent that could be swapped for it, just from a straight pathing view

[heavy hazel]

you can remove defenders ageis and only have one charge of wall

[small steeple]

DA also reduces SW cd by 60%

Sooo

show of force is the choice

[mighty valley]

yeah be real about how useful it’ll be

a lot of the time it’s just one more kick every couple mins

[mild river]

It should be baked on our aoe taunt and should be an aoe silence. We lack utilities. For a 2 min CD, it doesn't sound OP

[mighty valley]

if they’d want us to have a new utility I guess I’d rather it just be a separate ability

rather than muddling the use of aoe taunt

[pallid quiver]

We don't actually lack in utilities too bad, mind

It's just that system changes have made them less than stellar.
We have a lot of hard stops overall. things just recast after hard stops is the biggest issue, and fear in target capped

Just instantly off cuff, there's Storm Bolt, Shield Charge, and Shockwave. And SC with new tier's gonna be popping off even faster with the CD reduction

[mighty valley]

Hard to count shield charge as a utility given that it’s stuffed with so much output that we can’t really hold it for the stun

But yeah we do have a good cc toolkit

[pallid quiver]

i counter with that in most cases people are presenting, like mass pulls, if something isn't casting by the time you press Shield Charge, the pull is probably over

The bigger issue is how many spells just instantly recast after a hard stop, like I mentioned with the system changes

who cares if we bought like 1 second of the cast not going off

[mighty valley]

yeah, it was just kind of silly how many casts a single player was able to handle before

although coordinating kicks being the main team skill check is a little tired

[pallid quiver]

I don't think a large majority of the playerbase likes it, but I don't think Blizz has managed to find a solution that both players would enjoy and would be accessible and consistent enough to design M+ content around

Say what you will about coordinating kicks, it does give an easy framework to design dungeons in a scalable way so they can focus on like aesthetics, pacing, etc

[tribal wharf]

that goblin b/w thing they put on youtube just today old crime movie thing

make that on netflix or whatever plz

probably would watch it

[mighty valley]

Yeah… if they designed by polling the community we’d get a series of large round rooms full of mobs with literally no abilities in every dungeon

[tribal wharf]

rectangularly cubish shaped rooms in terms of arenas is ideal

with tall ceilings if its for anything boss related

[sharp olive]

Is there an add-on that assists with routes for mythic+?

I know Keystone Guru the website but is there in-put addon, not overly concern if not

[tribal wharf]

that and should be also, that if you are fighting on the ground floor, and you do a ravager or spear or any type of ability and it clips with a fixed torch or window sill on the wall above and not deal damage, it should insteadeject out and land on the floor at the wall

lets say its absolutely crucial i need to put down ravager like days of old, or i need spear to rope mobs in

and then it totally misses, so the monsters arent having aggro to me from dmg or being held back by spear

so we wipe

keys over content im doing is over for that night probably

its gotta change :S

[small steeple]

just did a 12 sob

i still only blocked 75% of melees

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CrVzAWTPFQ4nNZq8?fight=1&type=damage-taken&source=2

am i casting ignore pain too much?

[pallid quiver]

You're getting hit in the back a non-zero amount

That's with shield block up

[small steeple]

oh hmm

[pallid quiver]

It could also be argued you're not pressing IP enough, actually, since you wasted almost 3 whole rage bars worth on SS alone

[knotty pewter]

your IP casts are very low. especially if they remained that way in a higher key

[pallid quiver]

It's more likely that you're pressing it when you shouldn't based on the rage graph, since it looks like there's multiple times you stalled out on low rage

So you need to press it more when you aren't, and press it less when you are, loosely

[small steeple]

There were a couple times yeah. So I've over adjusted for col pressing IP less

[mighty valley]

if you’re watching your ip uptime, i would just stop looking at it for a few runs

is my rage really high? press IP

and make sure you’re filling every gcd and never stalling out

[feral carbon]

For this upcoming season in yalls opinion what is the best healer to pair with prot warrior In keys

[jagged gust]

Monk

Then I don't have to invite a WW for debuff

Also less sarcastically, I love the utility monks allow for helping group casters

[primal lantern]

Hi, I read on wowhead that Cyrce's ring was replaceable once you got a 665 item level ring in season 2.

However, while waiting to get one, I looked after the best gems for raid but couldn't find any for mythic+. Is this because the ring is only a single-target gain for the protection warrior?

[tribal wharf]

if i want it to simply die and never cast anything im always inviting rogue

[weak ether]

Its bc they are basically the same

[primal lantern]

Oh ok! Thank you for ur reply 🙏🤝

[fast oracle]

Do we have a haste cap?

[sharp gale]

The machine-god might know this

[fast oracle]

Or even a soft cap

[sharp gale]

Listen to His holy reports

But if you talk about diminishing returns

[fast oracle]

So it’s worth prioritising up to 40ish percent?

At least

[sharp gale]

It’s worth prioritizing what gives you more value, the robot has the answer

[fast oracle]

The robot only talks DPS

[mortal cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/robotgirl-artificial-asco-tumblr-sophia-the-robot-gif-9734323

[sharp gale]

Bc at 40 obtained haste, even with -10% returns, your haste can still be better bc it’s more than 10% better than other stats

You can only know when to stop if a Higher Authority tells you to

[small steeple]

Guys I think I might race change my dwarf warrior, plate armor and shields just looks so silly on them. As good as the racial is, it annoys me. Throw me some suggestions

[mortal cypress]

Gnome

[lament forge]

Tauren

[strong forum]

Female dwarf

[cerulean tusk]

Nelf

[mortal cypress]

thats what I am

[small steeple]

why female? shields and plate armor look better?

[pallid quiver]

because nome wants you to be as soulless as him, further propagating the slander than dwarven women don't have beards

I would 100% be okay with female dorfs if they had beards.

That's why Earthen female is a-ok in my book

[rough gate]

hey so im reading up on some of the changes is MT still the go to in m+ or has collosus taken over ive seen conflicting reports

[small steeple]

Either way really

Col will do more damage

mt might be somewhat more tanky, kinda depends

[rough gate]

okay thank you

im guessing colosus in lower then mt in higher potentially

[small steeple]

i quite like how 3 tanks now have both hero trees be viable and good(bdk, vdh, and pwar)

[rough gate]

kinda als weird bc didnt they make colusus with making it the tankier spec?

[small steeple]

More like, Col was the big warrior smash strong fantasy

[rough gate]

okay thank you

[formal geyser]

R we gonna get nerfed?

[bleak breach]

https://tenor.com/view/kanye-guess-kanye-west-we-never-know-gif-5417590

[spice rivet]

yo whos got the busted Col Build i need that on deck just in case

[coral nacelle]

me too

[pallid quiver]

there's nothing special, no special sauce

Just use the default builds on Wowhead that are there

The only changes you'd want to make are things that drop your damage (Rav/Ram for BSV and the like) or optimized for raid parsing (More execute talents, no punish)

and one of those is even on the wowhead page

[glacial ridge]

Do we know when we should be breaking the S1 tier set bonuses? Cant remember seeing it listed anywhere yet..

[ionic fern]

As soon as you get 2p

[glacial ridge]

From the man, thank you

[chilly brook]

yeah and?

[agile elbow]

Pally too.

[thin silo]

Dunno if this was already pointed out, but I just tested this, and Fast Footwork does stack with Elusive Blasphemite effect

[atomic basalt]

Ayo waddup

Y'all think they gonna buff prot in pvp againe

Nerf was too big bruh

[ionic fern]

The what in the who

What's PVP?

[ionic nimbus]

Prot and PvP? is that even an option? i mean to play pvp ...

[atomic basalt]

Yeaah ofc

Highest prot player in shuffle is like 2.7 rn

I play it, its noice

[sharp gale]

Is the APL for PvP up to date sir ?

[ionic fern]

Yes. It's just charge and then random buttons.

[atomic basalt]

Wtf is apl bruh

🧍

[sharp gale]

It’s for sims / pve damage calculation

[atomic basalt]

U want to know how to do hella damage as prot brudda?

[sharp gale]

But prot is fun in epic bg, I like the root thunderclap talent

[atomic basalt]

Brudda, do u even use slam as damage

🧑🏼‍🦼

Or are u a revenge user

[sharp gale]

[atomic basalt]

Wymmm execute bruhh

U know slam does 500k in pvp as prot

[sharp gale]

Idk who tf plays pvp

[atomic basalt]

Who doesn't bruhg

Prot pvp is supa hot fire

[sharp gale]

You give me fomo idk why

[atomic basalt]

U have so much disruption its cfazy

Whats fomo cuh, excuse my ignorance

[sharp gale]

Yeah that’s why I like the clap root talent, roots are stuns for casual players brain in PvP

[atomic basalt]

Clapping dose cheeks

Yeeehaw

[pastel geyser]

pvp in wow .. yikes

[atomic basalt]

Bro lmao

HAHAHAHAHA

Yikers, y'all play pvp in wow?

[pastel geyser]

i severely dislike pvp in mmos in general

[atomic basalt]

Why bruhh

Its so fun 😎😎

[pastel geyser]

cuz it gets to the point where u have to consider 50 abilities from every class and duels can last minutes.. its just not fun

i prefer fast ttks

[atomic basalt]

Yeaah i guess i like long duels and arenas

It feels nice

To be fighting 😩

Stunning and torturing people

And screaming

[sharp gale]

How do other absorbs works with the Gallywix trinket ? I got asked the question I don’t remember, I suppose it is a separate and « the trinket is first to take dmg absorb»

[atomic basalt]

I got no clue about pve

I played like 3 raids and 2 dungeons lmao

Is season 2 on eu on the same day?

[sharp gale]

No it’s the 5th

[atomic basalt]

Fooook

[sharp gale]

NA gets their reset tuesday around the early evening for our time if i remember

[hardy snow]

that depends on how many maintenance prolongs there will be

[atomic basalt]

U gonna play prot in pandaria aswell

Warrior durability in pandaria was nuts

They should buff second wind in retail

[hardy snow]

Im not gonna play pandaria, already played it, revisited it in remix, thats enough.

[uneven violet]

how hard will the new S2 m0 dungeons be? doable at ~ilvl 618?

[neon elk]

For sure doable at that ilvl

[small steeple]

Oh really? Templar competes/is viable with lightsmith now?

[small steeple]

How does that work with RWF?

[sharp gale]

They have some hours ahead but EU have NA knowledge to catch up

[hardy snow]

NA waits half of day or more staring at "no realms available"

[sharp gale]

Yeah it’s not the 12 h or whatever people can say, it’s some hours ahead

But yeah the Asia region is fucked on that one

[small steeple]

lol

Interesting

[strong forum]

the shields are bigger

[strong forum]

actually tolkien is the only one who said that dwarven women have beards iirc

[pallid quiver]

AS THEY SHOULD
There's more than a few other fantasy authors and settings that have that as well, even if it's infinitely less common and not the standard, and I just think it's a neater cultural thing to have really ornate, curated beards on all dwarves, without gender being a concern

[tulip oar]

Heh, makes me think of my old Dwarven fighter D&D character. She shaved her beard with her hand axe cause she hated food getting caught in it.

[atomic basalt]

Anyone know why i can't see my characters on my account or post on forums

Ion even have parental controls

[tribal wharf]

i watched something about bucklers vs kite shield lets call it, didnt have a section on tower shields

but it basically came down to "sheild slam"

cuz big does protect more, but buckler is typically made of a harder lighter material, kite/normal would be wood maybe with a little metal on the edges as it would be to protect against like arrows and such

you would DW a buckler with dagger or short sword, mace something like

[sharp gale]

Are we talking about plate armor time ? Bc they didn’t need shields anymore for arrows

[cerulean tusk]

A buckler, if you talking about a duelers, is basically a iron ball 🏀 that you punch with. Making the energy gathered into a smaller point of impact, and such more force delivered.

A kite shield is bigger and not formed to have such a point. Tho some shields had a spike. A bigger surface means less focused impact.

Buckler was often used with a sword, and some used a buckler combined with a dagger in the same hand for showmanship

Buckler is just worse than a shield combined with a pointy stick tho

Pointy stick always wins it is the point

The day pwarrior get to use pointy stick and shield, we will be the best class on the game

[agile elbow]

Templar will be the spec to play when you get 4pc. They're both good.

[tribal wharf]

not so much pointy but it is a large stick with a rock on it

pay no attention to the character names

[sharp gale]

Can you explain why Kungflu ?

Is it possibly related to an epidemic and The Chinese ?

Perchance

[tribal wharf]

2019 virus in a nutshell

[agile elbow]

Maybe Kungfu was taken why does everything have to be a conspiracy?!?!?1

[tribal wharf]

i heard a stupid term for it and then you got this character and it does kungfu, and posion

has an ability that makes them jump kick enemies

[sharp gale]

But didn’t you name it before it deal poison ? Was it planned to imply kung fu fighters are poisonous ?

[atomic basalt]

Ayo

Shield slam damage is absolutely insane

2mil crit and 1.7 non crit

On a blood dk

15 precent damage nerf is not doing that much

Its gonna be hughmungus in PvP

[cyan bronze]

why does bdk have to do with this

[atomic basalt]

Idk he a fucking tank

[cyan bronze]

oh

[atomic basalt]

Imagine i crit a cloth guy

[cyan bronze]

you hit him

ok

[jagged pier]

u do know tanks just take more damage in pvp

[tribal wharf]

oh i was gunna say

[atomic basalt]

Yeah who cares lmao

[tribal wharf]

about bdk, cuz someone said both specs for "tanks" are playable now? and i was like uhhhh

[atomic basalt]

Noone even hits me in an arena kek

[tribal wharf]

cuz i think Vampire Surivivor still isnt good for key

[toxic pewter]

guys i got inside the gallagio and i am stuck

[tribal wharf]

and thats what it would take for me to play BDK

deathbringer not fun

[cyan bronze]

anyways

Ramadan Mubarak Muslim bros

inshallah

[atomic basalt]

Yall fr Dont eat anything?

[cyan bronze]

im not a practicing Muslim no

just have a lot of friends who are; they fast from sunrise to sunset

[atomic basalt]

Dam i got a muslim friend aswell

Dam i just won a 2v1 against ww and tank druid

Am i fucking busted or what

I crit huge

I refuse to accept any nerfs

[toxic pewter]

anyone notice can charge while in mid air leaping again

[lusty tiger]

Is prot war good again?

[atomic basalt]

Yes

In PvP

[toxic pewter]

? its never been bad

[atomic basalt]

Hahaha

[lusty tiger]

I mean is it great again?

[toxic pewter]

MWGA

[lusty tiger]

Well, is it?

[toxic pewter]

yes

[lusty tiger]

Sick time to finish getting to 80

[toxic pewter]

colossus a lot of fun demolishing dudes

[atomic basalt]

And shield slam crits

Ridiculous

[toxic pewter]

arms also a lot of fun right now in pvp

[lusty tiger]

This is the kinda juice I like

[toxic pewter]

granted getting 25% nerf tomorrow unwarranted imo

[solar crown]

I'm looking at the builds on wowhead, and specifically the one listed for One Armed Bandit. It says "Time to play Mountain Thane!", but the build itself is colossus. Looks to be the same for Mug'zee as well, so colossus taking over in all cases?

[lusty tiger]

Oh but didn’t they just get a huge buff lol

[toxic pewter]

yeah demolish was buffed 30% and mortal strike a lot too

[atomic basalt]

Prots got nerfed again

[toxic pewter]

then nerfed tomorrow heavily

[atomic basalt]

In pvp

[toxic pewter]

yeah prot too

[atomic basalt]

Prot still good kek

With colossussy

[neon elk]

Iirc on those 2 u play MT cuz of better execute , but might be wrong

[solar crown]

Ok, so its just the builds that its linked to that shows the incorrect one

Is MT better for execute though? seems like colossus is very strong

Or is the higher rage gen that allows more executes?

[urban portal]

Mt is better for execute because you have more rage

[solar crown]

ok, got it

[urban portal]

But that doesn’t mean mt does more damage in execute

Could very well be that colossus does as much outside of execute as mt inside execute

[atomic basalt]

Colossus does twice as much as execute in pvp

[solar crown]

Ok, thanks! Just trying to understand warrior, didn't really play it this exp

[atomic basalt]

Freaky

What server are u on maybe i can help u out

[solar crown]

No need, but thanks 🙂

[atomic basalt]

Aight aight

[neon elk]

Mt does have stronger execute tho

25% , thats why u play MT on exe boss

[solar crown]

I have played warrior before, i just decided to main brew this expansion... so, yeah

[atomic basalt]

💀💀

Aint brew doggpoo

[lusty tiger]

Why does the guide suggest immovable object for colossus m+ build?

[solar crown]

its fun, it just playing wow on hardmode it feels like

[neon elk]

Cuz colo doesnt benefit that much from other onr

[lusty tiger]

It makes sense with the tier set

[sick sentinel]

Do you guys use demo shout as part of your dps rotation in keys? (because of booming voice)

[lusty tiger]

But before then I can’t see a reason to go colossus

[neon elk]

Tier doesnt affect it

[lusty tiger]

The shield wall you get from immovable object doesn’t proc the tier set?

[neon elk]

What? It doesnt even work like that

Tier has chance to proc shield wall, and that shield wall doesnt work with IO

[lusty tiger]

Oh it’s only the shield wall proc that gives the damage buff?

Not even regular shield wall?

[neon elk]

Its the buff itself that gives dmg buff, shieldwall is just a bonus to it

[neon elk]

It in fact does more in execute

[toxic pewter]

of course

reference the rotation guide on wowhead or icyveins

[small steeple]

really? interesting. Also, for Undermine raid, what build would you suggest for the bosses?

[sick sentinel]

oh damn it. i probably should do that haha. im not even playing with booming voice atm, thank u.

[toxic pewter]

yah definitely reference the guides I think you will benefit a lot from them

[small steeple]

ah good

[cerulean tusk]

I use demo so it hits my demo and Ava overlap. My whole rotation is reducing the CD of demo with enough claps, and demo with slams

[lusty tiger]

For a fresh 80 pwar which hero talent will do more dps in m+?

[cerulean tusk]

That tierlist seems fair to me, if it is for m+. VDH pumps and funnels.
Ppally is the utility box. BDK and pwarr kinda falls into very strong, but not meta.
Gdruid and monk are more than passing grade, yet a bit behind efficiency wise

[neon elk]

I would do MT just because of lower haster and probably some rage issues

[lean aurora]

Monk is so fun. I wish it performed a little better.

[cerulean tusk]

Col will do more dam

[lusty tiger]

Nomes rotation guide says execute vs 4 or less targets, does execute actually do damage again?

[cerulean tusk]

Exe finally does good dam

It isn't a theoretical DPS increase, it is a DPS increase

2h pwarr gonna be great

[lusty tiger]

When can we do this?

I dream of a polearm + shield

[cerulean tusk]

No shield, only 2h

[urban portal]

2h prot has the hardest hitting execute in the game for 3 gcds

Then you run out of rage

[lusty tiger]

[small steeple]

so your saying theres a chance

[cerulean tusk]

Nah, you can do more, just need more mobs hitting you or make sure rav x2 is ready

[urban portal]

Wait true

Dance of death tech

[small steeple]

Just intervene and use die by the sword

wait wrong spec

lol

[urban portal]

You can still tc on 2h prot too

you can go thane

Fellas we may be cooking

[cerulean tusk]

I got 2h pwarr pretty down on tech atm
And ya, gotta go thane

[urban portal]

Did you run dance of death

[small steeple]

Just use a weapon swap macro too and we're golden

[cerulean tusk]

Double rav go burrr

[strong forum]

is up on wowhead

[cerulean tusk]

Nome, when you release 2h pwarr guide?

Lazy lazy

[small steeple]

where?

Also, I know in aoe spear and roar are close for col, but what about in single target?

[lusty tiger]

@strong forum hi buddy

[small steeple]

Ok I found it in side panel. But the build links might be broken. All of the last 3 bosses send it to the m+ col build

[cerulean tusk]

^ Nome atm

@strong forum right, riiight?

[wintry nymph]

how does prot feel atm?

[cerulean burrow]

new tier list dropped lads 😏 (were safe from the nerfs)

[cerulean tusk]

Pretty good, things flow well and we pump dam

[wintry nymph]

good to hear

[cerulean tusk]

One Nerf from being D tier again tho

So hey

We live dangerously

[lusty tiger]

This is why I play pwar

And this

[supple meadow]

Is that you dying to a single gcd lmfao

[lusty tiger]

Not me

[small steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1055196260329590874/1320668978732859402/big2.gif

This one too

[small steeple]

big meme gif from vdh discord

showing what not to do lol

[supple meadow]

I will forever embrace the zug

[lusty tiger]

LNFAOOO

That’s a banger

Stealing for sure

[small steeple]

lol

[strong forum]

ty for reminding me, i knew i had forgotten a place to overwrite the 34 to 38

[small steeple]

leaps in
gets hit in back 3 times without mitigation
dies
surprise Pikachu

The noob vdh life cycle

[lusty tiger]

They should add a little cone to leap

[cyan bronze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/933386399279878154/958406649306030181/caption.gif

[lusty tiger]

lol did the tank fall into the hole?

[small steeple]

problem with vdh leap is for somereason the model is actually on the ground still... just gives the appearance of being airborne, so you can die while still leaping lmao

Basically making it a targetable charge spot

[lusty tiger]

Why blizz do this to us

Vdh fr

[round cliff]

big

[cyan bronze]

vdh on avg would prob be stronger if leap was removed

[small steeple]

lmao did Zovaal just fall of the map and die?

[cyan bronze]

[lusty tiger]

Or if it had a cone like shockwave or if it gave like 1-2 sec of 360 degree avoidance capability

[neon elk]

They are enough OP without that already

[solar crown]

Anyone have a decent spell reflect wa for s2? Or have a neat video of neat tricks for the season

[ancient reef]

what did they do to the mob count in dawnbreaker

[lusty tiger]

OP shouldn’t mean you can’t get some de clunking of a kit

But I getcha

[gaunt pewter]

hey ! colossus or mountain for m+ ?

[round cliff]

depends

mountain thane prob more survivable

colo better overall

[supple meadow]

more dps? colossus
easier survivability? thane

[sharp gale]

Or just remove back hits mechanic from the game

[lone eagle]

Hi guys, which are the best overall talents for Colo M+ ?

[round cliff]

stop taking backshots

[jagged pier]

Tmi

[lusty tiger]

What’s the fastest way to gear up a fresh 80?

[keen leaf]

do the raid on mythic tmorrow would be pretty fast

[sharp gale]

I would imagine buying a myth boost for 2000€ of wow tokens is the fastest yes

[vocal flame]

Is colossus a rage balance between revenge and ignore pain? Obv always want shield block up

[sharp gale]

But fresh alt I would imagine world quests or buy green boes and upgrade with valorstones (or do m0/m+ tomorrow)

[keen leaf]

aside from that joke, doing a m0 tour tomorrow when the season starts would be good

[vocal flame]

also sending smash when it lights up

[keen leaf]

yeah pretty much

[lusty tiger]

So are there only m0 tomorrow?

Or is m+ open right away?

[sharp gale]

Both

[keen leaf]

nah u can do keys too, i just dont know if u can do keys as a fressh 80

[lusty tiger]

Cool

[sharp gale]

You will have to make your own group if you have 584 ilvl I would guess

[lusty tiger]

I’ll pay as much as it takes to craft etc, I should be able to get the ring as I already have it maxed on another

Aren’t there crafted catch up pieces?

[vocal flame]

thank you! first time trying it, i was always mountain

[keen leaf]

will be tomorrow, for weathered crests and such

[sharp gale]

There is but it cost the weathered* crests

(The crafts you replace with any loot ever)

[keen leaf]

revenge more, IP when u got tons of rage or really need it, but revenge go BRRRR

[vocal flame]

ahh ok cool

[keen leaf]

also, thane isnt dead if thats why your swapping, its still good too

[vocal flame]

figured i would try something different

[keen leaf]

fair enough, demolish numbers are a nice dopamine hit

big number gud, zug zug

[vocal flame]

haha, it's gonna be fun

[small steeple]

I saw a 13 million demolish crit last night

it was during a damage amp phase of a boss but still

[keen leaf]

I did 1.9m dps in a mists key as colossus, I'm no warrior god, but it was pretty cool

[small steeple]

One thing I love about mist as pwar is in higher keys you can do so much spell reflect damage from the Guardians

[keen leaf]

yeah spell reflect is sweet, GB too

[small steeple]

GB a lot of the cast aren't directed at tank only and can be kicked, so its rare that I get a chance to spell reflect them

Thats why I love the Guardians on mist, can't be kicked lol

[keen leaf]

the tank busters are

[waxen frigate]

@tribal wharf

[small steeple]

from which mob? The giants are the only ones I can think of

[keen leaf]

nah the little dudes, the slash

its reflectable

[small steeple]

oh the frontal?

[keen leaf]

the giants too, but the slash does more dmg

[small steeple]

that you can sidestep?

[keen leaf]

I dont think its a frontal

its a tank buster add

spellflame slash I think

[drifting hull]

Nah it's targeted. Shadowflame slash. Doesn't do as much as the giants, but it's more frequent.

The best spell reflect dopamine hits for me are Narzudahs Necrotic Bolt in NW, and Shadow Claw in SV.

[keen leaf]

yeah shadow claw is a big one too

[small steeple]

Shadowclaw is yum

[late temple]

checked pinned and faq but couldnt find an update link: thane or colossus for M+?

[keen leaf]

both are good, colo does more dmg atm

but theyre both viable

[drifting hull]

Another good one for the group, not super flashy, but really useful is deflecting the Eye of The Queen's Void Rush in CoT

[late temple]

more damage but less surv? thx btw

[keen leaf]

not enough less to notice honestly

[drifting hull]

It hits 5 times on up to 5 people, but if you Spell Reflect, and it targets you, it doesn't apply the dot to anyone else.

[dusky canopy]

You can run Colo and blast in your weekly 10s without any problem whatsoever

[drifting hull]

Can save your group a LOT of DMG that way

[late temple]

awesome, i try to do a lot of dps so that really sounds goods to me

[keen leaf]

yeah, colo is fine, Im biased cuz I love MT, but colo is blasting right now

for context, I did 1.9m as colo, and 1.5m as MT, so theyre not far apart, but there is a difference

[small steeple]

@strong forum why do you reccomend thane for gallywix? Its higher pure single target right? Fight 6, 7 have execute so Thane execute for them. and fights 1-5 have some adds/cleave so you reccomend col?

[neon elk]

Reason is MT has better execute

[drifting hull]

I do miss lightning blast, but Demolish just hits like a truck

[neon elk]

So its better on pure ST where is execute phase

[keen leaf]

he's probably hunting a mega-supreme-lighting-rathalos right now

[late temple]

I found a reinforced wax plating at veteran lvl (645 max) but i remember it was shit... worth or nah? i'm running with both ara kara and skarmorad M atm

i also have sikran and skytrerror M trinkets

[keen leaf]

off the top of my head I think i remember that being the worst trinket ever made to date

[late temple]

i remember correctly then lmao

[pallid quiver]

There's definitely worse out there

[keen leaf]

its close though

its like 1k armor

wild

[pallid quiver]

it gives primary

That, alone, gives it some kind of value compared to some other trinkets that have existed

[late temple]

it gives +3815 str compared to my 3605 skarmorak and a 32k damage reduction

[sick sentinel]

Is this a bad build for keys?

[keen leaf]

looks like a moutain thane build

[jagged gust]

drop battering ram instead of booming voice if you want BSV

[nocturne spindle]

also ravager until you get 4 piece

[drifting hull]

Not if he goes for BSV.

[keen leaf]

^

[nocturne spindle]

oh