protection

[strong forum]

looks at my new wife

[jagged pier]

Same when i get back from gym

[drowsy narwhal]

my question was why you suggest the extra 30 rage when COL is lacking rage from what I ve read

[strong forum]

thats in raid build i assume

and in raid you dont need the CC picks so you can go into the rage

for more potential poomp

[ionic fern]

Watcha using for wpn?

[strong forum]

im charge blade 1 trick

[jagged pier]

Longsword for me but its my first mh game so gunna try more

[ionic fern]

[jagged pier]

But gelled with longblade most on beta

[drowsy narwhal]

ah okay, thanks, i m not used to play 2 builds, i only play mythic builds cause i m too lazy to swap each time 😄

[strong forum]

illegal

[drowsy narwhal]

😄

from the comments of yt vids where ppl played prot warr col, they all say its getting nerfed

i hope they dont nerf the dmg

[brisk onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/chefs-kiss-french-chef-perfect-dish-excellent-food-perfection-gif-20341505

[drowsy narwhal]

for once its nice that we have a pay off playing a tank with not much utility/self healing

[lusty grotto]

im loading it up right now

perks of still having 1-2 days remote and being friday

[keen leaf]

she might wanna try a saftey blade on her razer...

[plush tendon]

guys, prot war is so last month

arms warrior is pretty awesome

big fun

[oak ivy]

1.66M overall in a GB10

[lusty grotto]

youre late

cause arms was big before people discovered our output

[plush tendon]

idc about output my dude

its just fun

was running around the goblin zone as a FDK/UDK

was kind of meh

went there as arms

10 times more fun

[lusty grotto]

colossus arms is certainly fun

cleave fucks

[plush tendon]

[oak ivy]

Is either of the hero talents better for X scenario in raid or purely preference

Cuz this is kinda a lot to take in

[lusty grotto]

the guide says which

[short apex]

play w/e releases more dopamine

[lusty grotto]

but tldr colossus for everything

[plush tendon]

Col will be more dammies (most people will default to Col this tier me thinks)

MT is more rage

basically the TLDR

[oak ivy]

Gotcha

Which in my book translates as: Colo for normal business, Thane if I need extra help no die

[ionic fern]

Roughly.

[lusty grotto]

hmm

[ionic fern]

[lusty grotto]

colossus is not a paper tank

[ionic fern]

Nope,better than s1.

[lusty grotto]

its big on defensives due to the build

[ionic fern]

But I'd wager MT still pulls ahead slightly in the defensive part.

You can play Colossus super defensively as well and send more Rage into IP,but that puts a dent in your DPS.

[plush tendon]

MT is also easier

more rage, more room for mistakes

[lusty grotto]

yea

[plush tendon]

but MT is kind of boring

really doesnt change anything about the spec... its basically BFA prot war

Col plays more like SL Warrior

[oak ivy]

I didn't start playing the game at all until Castle Nathria, and Pwar in VotI

[plush tendon]

the good thing is you can try both

and see what you like more

[oak ivy]

true

[lusty grotto]

colossus is legion prot

thane is bfa/DF prot

[plush tendon]

I didnt play Warrior until BFA

[lusty grotto]

SL prot is baked into thane a little bit

[plush tendon]

was late on the train

[lusty grotto]

due to IP spam (banner), Outburst and Shield Charge (reprisal-like)

[plush tendon]

peak warrior was S2 SL for me

Night Fae, Reprisal

[oak ivy]

I played BDK in SL for obvious reasons

[sharp pasture]

What does "Raid Council" means?

[lusty grotto]

do you mean loot council

if so, a loot council decides who gets what loot

[bold mirage]

I think maybe he is referring to the builds on Wowhead - I would classify it as a boss encounter with 3+ primary targets

[lusty grotto]

on mythic guilds its usually backed by sims

oh

council fights

[sharp pasture]

ye ty

[lusty grotto]

meaning multiple bosses

virtually every tier has a council fight

[bold mirage]

yup

number pad!

[lusty grotto]

last season it was court

[sharp pasture]

that was only 2 boses

[bold mirage]

I guess it could be 2 also

but in the past council has usually meant 3 or 4

[lusty grotto]

in DF we had council of dreams, forgotten experiments, primal council

it had only 2 but is considered the council fight

common sense dictates you use cleave specs there

or 2 target cleave

brood can be considered a council fight since its an ad fest, but is mostly considered to be pure AOE

[small steeple]

brood would be a priority target with large add aoe bursts right?

Didn't play palace

[lusty grotto]

yeah basically

but council builds might apply

[small steeple]

Well don't council builds normaly sacrfice priority/single target? Sorry not too sure about this, and right terms

[lusty grotto]

for the most part

[small bone]

Would it be good to remove Champion's Bulwark and use that point for Enduring Defense?

[lusty grotto]

but in our case, there's not much variation

[small bone]

Or is Bulwark still the best option

[lusty grotto]

for what build specifically?

cause we're playing both

[small steeple]

@strong forum the Season 2 page has some outdated season 1 stuff/gear on it still

[small bone]

Question is why

[lusty grotto]

can you rephrase your question?

[strong forum]

huuuuh

wtf+

[keen leaf]

This is fine. We're fine.

[small bone]

Use the build of Enduring Defense plus Champion's Bulwark feels like smooth like before the patch.

[small steeple]

its been funny seeing all these people who don't know how to play havoc/AR havoc and do such small damage

[small bone]

I just want to know why people play it

[lusty grotto]

the only reason we dont play both is when we go full execute

im just confused where not having both is coming from

[small steeple]

Champion's Bulwark is always taken. And onlytime Eunduring defense isn't is in the execute Ashen Jugg damage build

[lusty grotto]

hence why i asked which build

[frail zodiac]

Those players must’ve been really bad

[lusty grotto]

they probably are

[small bone]

What is execute build?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[sick sentinel]

oh, is this col or mt?

[keen leaf]

to be fair it wasnt a high key, just a boredom thing

col, revenege go brrrrrr

[lusty grotto]

most people running keys rn are testing their changes and/or grabbing some gear here and there

[keen leaf]

yeah I think that was just a 9, I was just tesing colossus, never played it last season

[lusty grotto]

what build did you run that didnt use both Champion's Bulwark + ED last season?

[strong forum]

fixed it

[small bone]

A personal tweaked build that left off Enduring Defense for Bloodsurge. I still used Champion's Bulwark.

[lusty grotto]

i see

as Thane?

or as Colossus?

[small bone]

It was Thane.

[lusty grotto]

bloodsurge kinda unneeded as thane but

its your subscription hehe

and there's no reason to run bloodsurge now due to the nerfs

[small bone]

I enjoyed have the rage when I needed it for whatever. I don't play Warrior like the top guys do.

I currently don't.

[lusty grotto]

well you press SS for that

vastly more important to maintain SB uptime than last season's bloodsurge rage gains

[formal elbow]

the people here are so friendly...must nicer than in any pure-dps discord ❤️

[small steeple]

or archeus bdk (shhh I didn't say that)

[small bone]

I know. But now I feel like I don't have to rage for SB when it's up while also having rage for other abilities outside of SS and it's proc.

[keen leaf]

AGREED ^

[small bone]

Maybe I need more practice.

[lusty grotto]

likely

[keen leaf]

not u, ur wrong, agreed with Badkad xD

[lusty grotto]

we have played 2 SB-related talents since DF

ED + Bulwark or ED + Bolster in DF S2

SB is that important

except in raid settings where we want to parse with execute builds

and where SB uptime is not as important since youre 1 of 2 tanks and wont be actively tanking all the time

[small bone]

I know SB is important. And to keep uptime I have to stutter and hold rage for it and not use anything else.

[small steeple]

stutter?

[lusty grotto]

you just need to press SS more

[small bone]

Not pressing buttons.

[lusty grotto]

and not rage starve yourself with IP spam

[jagged pier]

so your overspending rage

[sharp pasture]

what trinkets do we aim as tank? i did no check to much tbh

[small bone]

I do press SS. but there are times when it's on cd and no proc to refresh.

[lusty grotto]

devastator (auto attacks) reset SS

Thunderclap reset SS

Revenge reset SS

as thane you also have Burst of Power

[small steeple]

check dm i sent you

[small bone]

And I have encountered a non-reset of SS and that hurts.

[keen leaf]

Thanks, I did 😄

[small bone]

But I will do some practicing and see where I'm failing.

[lusty grotto]

well you just press TC

[small bone]

Thanks for the info all

[lusty grotto]

as thane

TC generates rage too

and if both SS and TC are down you use revenge

just watch your rage bar and don't go below 30 rage at any given time

that way you have an emergency reserve for SB

but yeah like i said: always run 2 SB related talents (ED/Champs Bulwark/Bolster)

except when youve graduated to ST execute raid parsing

[small steeple]

I remember when I first learned pwar. I was a baby player in patch 8.4 (Ny'alotha tier) learning prot warrior and blood dk at the same time. Twas fun when there was no guranteed 100% SB

[lusty grotto]

and remember we're gonna be swimming in SB uptime anyway due to Shield Charge (with Bulwark) resets + tier

[oak ivy]

Are we the only tanks doing goofy numbers rn or is everyone cracked due to the +20% aura

[small steeple]

All tanks are doing good damage. Except bear maybe? Don't know about bear and does anyone really care about it? lol

jk

[oak ivy]

My cotank for this season is a bear x_x

[plush tendon]

gotta get that vers buff

[small steeple]

well bear also has catweaving for raid so not sure if it holds in that situation

[oak ivy]

true, I used to be a fuckin gamer catweaver when I played bear

its so fun

[lusty grotto]

everyones cracked

[oak ivy]

So we personally don't have to fear a heavy handed nerf bat

maybe just a reduction in the tank aura buff?

[small steeple]

not at all

only change might be reverting demolish buff to being arms exclusive

which would be approx 2% in st, and 4-5% in aoe i think

[oak ivy]

Idk if I'm just a skeptic but I'm expecting giga tank dam to have some

[small steeple]

Why would blizzard, after saying tank damage is too low and not a state they like, proceed to single out one tank that's not super duper far ahead if its ahead at all?

[oak ivy]

Fair fair

they also hate us

so I have 0 trust

[lusty grotto]

the dooming is making me regret coming back

to skyhold

[oak ivy]

im sorry nim

[lusty grotto]

its constant, jfc

i guess its better than "wat yoda doin"

[oak ivy]

they're gonna leave it alone and tanking gonna be fun

[small steeple]

Plus, blizzard has data, sims, and stuff they collect from ptr etc. There was a reason they gave all tanks but brew/prot pal a 20% aura buff, and 15% for those other 2.

[limpid ruin]

Ya where’s our verse buff Augusto?

[plush tendon]

we have a cat!

I no bear

besides you shouldve beared... instead you copy me and play VDH

[lusty grotto]

hey at least dotc is fun

no bear hate

cat weaving

[limpid ruin]

I can’t believe you would fob your responsibility onto a poor feral Druid

They have enough problems

[topaz latch]

where were u previously?

[frigid solstice]

Boys... is prot crashing out 😦 I keep getting rejected from 10 keys

[dusky canopy]

@lusty grotto hey why does yoda not play the recommended wowhead build

[frigid solstice]

If I had to bet he keeps a better build to himself so he can top lmao

gives wowhead the 'average overall "meta"'

[frigid solstice]

VDH THE PEAK NOW??????

[dusky canopy]

Kek

I’ll trust nome & sense for Prot specific optimizations

[lusty grotto]

true, we should trust yoda

[frigid solstice]

I wanna play what yoda plays

but not paladin

[plush tendon]

Ive been high on VDH for a while

ever since they did the +2 seconds on demon spikes

[sweet summit]

demon spikes isn't real

[limpid ruin]

He’s got you there

[urban bane]

rejected bc our damage is too good 😔

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/teach-you-yoda-star-wars-mentor-teach-you-i-will-gif-13942585

[urban bane]

5'2" dps peasants afraid of their 6' kings

[fresh kernel]

tauren vs highmountain?

which u guys prefer

[plush tendon]

good question

I like both

but prob Tauren for War

and Highmountain for Druid

cause moose

[frigid solstice]

LET ME IN

[plush tendon]

but super low dif

[frigid solstice]

I do have trouble surviving

[fresh kernel]

is that thematically? or racial wise

[plush tendon]

theme

Antlers a little on the nose for a warrior me thinks

and I like the normal Tauren horns

especially with the Black Temple set

[urban bane]

Minotaur mhm

[plush tendon]

peak Tauren War

so peak

slap a bulwark of Azzinoth on that

ooo baby

Racial difference between the two also isnt huge

[fringe musk]

I'm a big bull charge fan

It makes you run fast 🐂

[stark crystal]

hey all,
just a quick question:
Is there any point when we trade our current 4P T-set into a 2P and 2x S2 Heroic gear? or is the old 4P T-set online till we can swap it completly?

[chilly brook]

Sim it or something

[lusty grotto]

as soon as you get 2p you swap

no waiting

[lime mantle]

Fucked up this species of warrior tank is extinct now.
😔

[lusty grotto]

2pc is big

[stark crystal]

thank you 👍

[lusty grotto]

s1 tier is comparatively weaker

by a wide margin

[main edge]

Guys, question for prot war Masters, currently trying colossus build on ptr and it feels nice, but i am not sure, if it is mandstory to use your demolish always after thunderous roar or it doesnt make any benefit for min Max

[chilly brook]

I mean you know that it’s live right?

[dreamy rain]

is there any way arround ravager? i hate that talent

[chilly brook]

Just press your buttons on CD don’t think about it too much

[lusty grotto]

you will swap out of it and into battering ram with tier

[lusty grotto]

what do you mean on PTR, dont you mean live?

[chilly brook]

Still run it in keys no?

[tribal wharf]

wow stole taurens from doom

[lofty warren]

Why did pwar going from best to lower tier list tank in 11.0 and 11.5? I don't think they got nerfed did they?

[lusty grotto]

yeah until we get 2pc

[tribal wharf]

this game is vrtually medival doom so

[dreamy rain]

thats awesome, do you think i can play it without tierset too? only doing 10s weekly currently

[chilly brook]

Nom’s key build doesn’t have it?

[cerulean tusk]

yes, you can skip ravager

it wont make or break your build

[lusty grotto]

not recommended, but you can

[lusty grotto]

if the build has battering ram its a build for when you get s2 tier

[chilly brook]

Yes that’s what I’m saying his raid build includes it but his m+ build does not include battering ram

[lusty grotto]

link

but in any case maybe Nome can give out the answer

[cerulean tusk]

My educated guess

he just lazy

[chilly brook]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/overview-pve-tank

[lusty grotto]

yeah i mean those look fine

ravager for M+ until you get 2pc

he will update when the season is live

[chilly brook]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/talent-builds-pve-tank#mythic-builds-colossus

[lusty grotto]

right

you want battering ram with 2pc due to SC resets

but that's the flex point for BSV as well

ravager is only worth it now

[dreamy rain]

i think i just macro ravager into my one use dps trinket

[lusty grotto]

because we dont have 2pc

[lime mantle]

Pretty sure 4p is the reset 🤔

Also; when the season starts the vault is reset too (Ie we don't get to do M10s now and next week open up a vault of myth level gear for undermine)

[lusty grotto]

yeah youre right

[main edge]

Yeah, live, but i test ptr Keys so far. So wanna know this

[lusty grotto]

but the 15% damage amp is good regardless

[fresh kernel]

looks like highmountain is >>>>> tauren

vers is great, and the knockup doesn't DR with your stuns

[lusty grotto]

what does thunderous roar do to benefit demolish?

[fresh kernel]

tauren's stun DRs with shockwave, and the stamina bonus is negligible

[lusty grotto]

it does nothing but it aligns with demo + avatar which are your big damage amps

so

ideally you want to use SC/Troar/Demolish with Demo(BV) + Avatar

so demo and avatar buff troar

[frigid solstice]

Protection Warrior has a ton of attention leading to the next season, primarily changing the spell priority and the focus of the class rotation (with the bread-and-butter basics staying the same). Luckily, the compensation buffs that came, (% flat damage adjustments, stronger Ignore Pain Icon Ignore Pain, and better self-sustain thanks to more Rage) which makes up for all the other nerfs. In addition, a new recent build has been discovered, making their single-target and AoE damage the best among any other tank DPS, which immensely improves their performance. Although you can have durability troubles at time (especially against continuous magical damage) your damage profile offsets the negatives, making them one of the best choices starting in Season 2.

[lusty grotto]

troar has no direct correlation with demolish uses (it's the other way around)

if anything you want to demo first in that window

so it takes 10% more damage

[frigid solstice]

I love that everyone's tier list is all over the place

[tribal wharf]

will they keep hero talents into 12.0 and beyond i wonder

[cerulean tusk]

Yep, it is evergren

[lusty grotto]

imagine answering a question and someone posts a million screenshots of tier lists

like they matter

[woven radish]

100% this. Feel like a lot of people aren't taking into account the after demo dmg amp in terms of maximizing dmg windows

[lofty warren]

Where you get this list?

[woven radish]

Those 10% windows will add up to a LOT more dmg if utilized properly over the course of a key

[lusty grotto]

yup, so to specifically answer your question @main edge you want to avatar + demo then demolish, then troar/sc

and NOT demolish AFTER troar

like you mentioned

tldr: other way around

[lusty grotto]

only acceptable tier list

[dreamy rain]

most realistic tierlist

[lusty grotto]

to be fair lol

i have to update it cause dotc bear moves up into "good play-style"

[lusty grotto]

and unbiased pally might have moved up, i just fucking hate consecration

[cerulean burrow]

new tierlist just dropped guys 😏

[lusty grotto]

nice nice

[main edge]

thanks, i was curius just about it.

[lofty warren]

Where all these tier lists come from? They wat different from the one on wowhead

[dreamy rain]

dont listen to tierlists

[tribal wharf]

wtf u mean bdk does execute dmg

or is that only DB

[dense remnant]

how many stacks of ITF do sims use?

[lusty grotto]

max stacks

[vocal cave]

both bdk db and sanlyn has execute

db through soul reaper, sanlyn through increased DS dmg on low hp target

[lime mantle]

Correct list. 🙏

[smoky anvil]

I just like how hard we’re cranking. Asserting dominance on dps feels nice.

[sharp gale]

I think next expansion they will add another hero talent tree to save on tuning headaches

[lofty warren]

How will adding more help

[sharp gale]

Adding other lines of existing talents trees give a billion more headaches than adding a another thing

[neon elk]

They will just rework and rearange whole thing i guess

[lofty warren]

Bring back corruption with vendor

[sharp gale]

That’s the first point of hero talents in the first place, they didn’t want to add talent points in class tree or spec tree

[lofty warren]

Some talents are useless. Like wow you give me ignore pain as a talent

Or like wow you gave mage blink as a talent

[sharp gale]

That’s tree pathing, it is to tune how many really useful talent points you can use as choices

[smoky anvil]

Cranking with maxed pvp neck thingy, crit damage corruption and max Lego cloak

Or cheesing with twilight devastation at 48% of max hp dmg

[lofty warren]

Fact: 8.2 (essences) and 8.3 (corruptions) were good aside from acquisition

Plus pwar was kinda good then too

[smoky anvil]

Fury was a blast

[lofty warren]

What % uptime on avatar and shield wall is possible now m+?

[keen leaf]

is there a reason to track colossal might or am I sending demolish on CD anyway

[lusty grotto]

hmm usually demolish cd is up long after you have 10 stacks

so it might not be required

that being said most warrior WAs track it

[keen leaf]

and on the pull u just send it naked anyway right

[lusty grotto]

i personally send it yeah with demo/avatar

[keen leaf]

yeah thats what ive been doing, good enough for me

[lusty grotto]

but that depends on the fight and/or if there's early damage amps etc

[lament osprey]

Is the spell reflection sheet updated?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[sullen gust]

Out of curiosity, why are builds saying to drop ravager? I'd have thought the threat and rage gen would keep it a valuable talent. Or is survivability that rough we have to take more tanky points?

[ionic fern]

You drop Ravager once you get tier.

The extra SC'es make BR a better choice in most situations.

That said, you can still play Ravager - it's not bad.

[sullen gust]

Also when did people swap from the rage reduces cooldown of shield wall to the double stacks of shield wall?

[woven radish]

Really just nice for an initial pull at start or where stacks have fallen off from long travel time somehow. Otherwise pretty useless imo

[ionic fern]

11.1

They reduced the base CD of SW and also nerfed Impenetrable Wall to not give Rage anymore.

[tranquil night]

I'm assuming not but does immovable object interact with s2 2pc tier?

[ionic fern]

No.

[smoky anvil]

The double SW on 2min cd actually feels better than previous, maybe that’s just me.

[mighty valley]

the effective CD with imp wall and last patch's rage gen was pretty comically low

but this is a decent happy medium of being able to do back to back walls when needed and a pretty low cd

[proud heart]

this was a NW 12 and all the dps were "cant wait for them to nerf you to the ground" yeah gl finding tanks next season with that attitude

but yeah prot is a bit too stronge

[cerulean tusk]

As we are currently beating most avg players on DPS, ye - nerfs are coming

justified? Probably not

[dusky canopy]

You should have asked them why they weren’t doing 4M overall like other pugs you played with

That’ll teach em!

[jagged pier]

well as one of the buffs wasnt supposed to be for us

[dusky canopy]

[jagged pier]

a 4% nerf

we can expect

which is just getting a new demo spell without the buff

[ionic fern]

Bad DPS players deserve to be beaten.

[cerulean tusk]

Agreed, but ya know how it is

-30% nerf inc, so they can beat us

[proud heart]

im just tanking for shit and giggles cause i heard prot was strong

but honestly i dont mind if tanks do hell of high dps next season as long as we get more ppl playing them

[neon elk]

I mean, there is enha with 1.6 overal in NW while having augvoker .. ofc u gotta beat that , nothing to do with class balance

[chilly brook]

I was sitting at like 3m overall in a 14 Arakara before it died on the 2nd boss

[proud heart]

theyre all missing the tier set, ours does nothing dpswise right?

[chilly brook]

No

Ours is good dps wise

[proud heart]

oh

[chilly brook]

At least better than the current one

[proud heart]

i hope they bring other tanks up to prot warrior instead of bringing prot down to them

bigger numbers more fun more tanks in lfg

[round cliff]

wat

wym not for us

[nocturne spindle]

colussus arms buff leaked to prot colussi

[next flint]

Am I reading the guides correctly - Col is doing more DPS but Thane is either - is more tanky [survivability] or at a minimum still "playable" in M+?

[neon elk]

Both are perfectly fine

[idle copper]

Im doing just as much on my VDH as Pwarr

[lofty warren]

Fel scarred or the other one?

[ionic fern]

"playable" is a understatement. MT is still great in M+.

[supple meadow]

good morning prot chat

#ThaneForLife

[small steeple]

lmao prot warrior isn't some insane damager dealer. Its about on par with all the other tanks

[supple meadow]

I don't care about damage when I literally can't die

lmao

[small steeple]

um ok? My message wasn't to you

[cerulean tusk]

Thane did like 1.9m vs Col at 2.2m last few runs I tested em in CoT (active DPS)

[ionic fern]

Yes?

[cerulean tusk]

Reinforcing your point

[weak cedar]

hi gamers, which spec would you say is the "tankiest"? ignoring all damage/utility aspects, just based on survivability

[supple meadow]

brother I'm making a joke

[sullen gust]

Thanks for all the info mate!

[ionic fern]

Probably still Thane.

[weak cedar]

out of all tank specs i meant

[pallid quiver]

depends on damage profile of the content

[ionic fern]

Well, that's way too vague and impossible to answer.

[pallid quiver]

which tank ends up being the tankiest is often a literal dungeon-by-dungeon metric

[ionic fern]

What does "Tankiest" mean? Self sufficient? Least damage intake? MOst consistent damage intake?

[pallid quiver]

Even then, there's still points where their kits are weaker, and like Mwahi mentions,

There's a lot of things that go into it

[small steeple]

that depends on what content and what you mean by tankiest

[cerulean tusk]

My gutpunch feel of tankiest, is Thane. Tho, I cant say I felt that much different from Col.
Honestly, prob all placebo and healer diff

[small steeple]

like in raid brew and bdk are often called the "tankiest" but they literally work in almost direct opposite ways

[pallid quiver]

There's no tank spec that'd be entirely unable to do content, though, at pretty much any level. It'd be possible it's harder on some specs than others, but that's not always due to how tanky a spec is

It can often be access to meaningful interrupts/damage/DPS defensive help

[cerulean tusk]

All I got to say is: If they nerf Pwarrior, I really hope it is flat aura nerfs, not Demo targeted or similar. As it being a real impactful ability is super fun

[neon elk]

I hope if they nerf pwar they nerf the rest as well, we might have broken dmg but thats pretty much all we got

[ionic fern]

We are not even that far ahead on dps.

[neon elk]

Tbf i dont even know how we are compared to rest of tanks

[raw parcel]

A bit early for nerfs when the season hasn't even started. 😮

[neon elk]

Wont be first time

[cerulean burrow]

!!!! New tier list dropped!!!

[mortal cypress]

It is well known that blizzard highly monitors all tier lists.....always put warrior bottom.

[cerulean burrow]

fuck

oh shit

[small steeple]

lmao,. where is this one from?

[cerulean burrow]

new tier list dropped!!!

[mortal cypress]

nice

maybe D

[cerulean burrow]

guess were evading the nerf today boys 😏

[keen leaf]

Dont put pally up top, I play that too, avoiding the nerfs, I hear bear and brew are S+++

wink wink

[small steeple]

put em all in d

[cerulean burrow]

this just in straight off the press

[small steeple]

perfect

[woven radish]

100%

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/sick-feeling-gif-26252857

poor lill DPS

DeathStrike

Surely Pwarr must be nerfed

[mighty valley]

Are mobs just blowing up too fast for dps to get going

[lofty warren]

Pwar does most dps?

[mighty valley]

probably, all the data is kinda junk right now though

[lofty warren]

Thought vdh was best

Is this in m+

[mighty valley]

yes, colossus in m+ is the one people are freaking out about

[lofty warren]

Don't see it on archon. Where can see this?

[mighty valley]

sims and anecdotal evidence people are sharing

[lofty warren]

In here it says 1.3 pwar. Is that it?

[cyan bronze]

can we take ppal off this

[mighty valley]

i don't really know which logs archon pulls from, plus it's garbage time in the season so i'd take everything with a grain of salt

but yes, colossus pwarr is doing big aoe damage, don't think that's disputed

[cyan bronze]

idk why were looking @ archon interim data

are we on our useless data arc today?

[mighty valley]

it's pepega's way

can't live if not consuming weird stat websites

[wicked pollen]

hi

[cyan bronze]

can we not?

[wicked pollen]

whats your st damage

[restive oak]

archons data is usually not the best

[cyan bronze]

i mean

that’s not even the issue here

it’s the fact that

it’s wacko world data

any data u get for this week is useless

[restive oak]

yeah and everything is currently fake

[cyan bronze]

but archon said vdh was best

¿¡

they’ve timed the highest post season key!

[restive oak]

i did an all tank and i was like 35% ahead of everyone else :x

[mighty valley]

popularity is also a huge factor in archon's final score lol

[wicked pollen]

all tank is boring

?

[small steeple]

SL? and rune of sanguination?

[restive oak]

15s currently feel like 10s, lol

[cyan bronze]

guys

[small steeple]

I did the math earlier, 14'2 are about 2 below, so 15s are roughly 2.3 below in scaling

[cyan bronze]

ppl r saying meiko isnt the meta tank anymore

how does this affect the s4 meta for next expac

[small steeple]

Fellowship?

[cyan bronze]

ye

[small steeple]

Meiko and helena are only 2 ive played so far

[cyan bronze]

how will this affect s4 next expac

[small steeple]

Brew will be meta

[cyan bronze]

kk i will gear one rn

[desert wharf]

Sup yall! We think TR or Spear is better right now for M+? Saw both on wowhead, is it just a preference thing?

[ionic fern]

Preference.

[desert wharf]

Thanks!

[raw parcel]

I like the roar myself!

[cyan bronze]

imo i think spear is rather better for timing keys

but not enough to play spear if you hate it

[wicked pollen]

roar is better when i have gajeel charging in before me

[cyan bronze]

yea

that would matter if i cared

if some1 insta bursts on a pack and i need to run roar because of them

i am blocking them on all communication platforms

[restive oak]

stares at ret paladin in my group

[topaz latch]

i cannae stand da spear. TR all the way

[wicked pollen]

🙂

[cyan bronze]

its just a thing of

large burst every 90s>smaller burst every 45s

& spear util

but very miniscule most of the time

tho if u pug

prob just roar--rets cannot be trusted

🤷‍♂️

[lusty grotto]

sir, thats 3 days ago

we're hunting monsters now

hammer main here AMA

[cyan bronze]

are u hammered

[lusty grotto]

no, not yet

i just like to pound dem monsters

[cyan bronze]

god ive never wanted to be dem monsters more

[lusty grotto]

[jagged gust]

https://tenor.com/view/horny-jail-go-to-horny-jail-bonk-doge-cheems-gif-17582752

[lusty grotto]

instead of bat we use this

[cyan bronze]

how did u find a pic of me

wtf

[dusky canopy]

You hammer main too!?!?

Fuck yeah

Love big bonk stick

[lusty grotto]

[dusky canopy]

Ngl I might try one of the gun weapons this play through

I’ve never even equipped a gun weapon

[supple meadow]

look at how they massacred my boy.... they made him into a stripper twink

you can't even be a fighter pilot anymore

unplayable

[errant leaf]

what talents are we using for m+ next season ?

[lusty grotto]

they are in wowhead and icyveins

feel free to look at them there

[topaz latch]

only gunlance, all other are noobs.

[jagged gust]

colo for damage, thane for safety, execute for parsing and punish for more DR

[dusky canopy]

Ye I think I’m going gun lance

I like slow heavy hitting weapons

[neon elk]

Is the new dung open yet ?

[topaz latch]

its so good, been using it since it came out. was regular guy lance since 2004. good visuals, strong but slow hits. big shield. gonna miss bullet barrage though.

[oak ivy]

yes, normal only tho

[dusky canopy]

I wouldn’t know the difference so I’ll probably be content

[neon elk]

Damn thats bit useles, wanted to at least try some mechanics , guess i have to just watch a vid

[supple meadow]

I'm sorry you can't be a fighter pilot

[supple meadow]

At least they didn't completely gut your favorite weapon

[topaz latch]

i didnt want to be a twink stripper pilot, so mobile artillery battery it was.

[supple meadow]

I didn't even buy wilds

I can't stand the fact that they made him a twink stripper

I want to fly

I'll just play rise or worlds

At least I can still be a fighter pilot there

[hazy echo]

Hello, if any of you strapping protective lads are looking for a guild that focus on AOTC from Tuesday/Thursday 9-12 est dm me okay? Okay bye

[heavy sparrow]

Hey Jeef,I hear ANCIENT is recruiting folks for AOTC

[round cliff]

try to name a character
taken
try to look up who has the name
inactive

i hate this guy

whoever he is

[flat wasp]

Newish player quesiton: Im testing colossus in Dorn and I am struggling to keep shield block up. I never have that issue with Thane. I know its more difficult to maintain, but there seem to be built in CD gaps, even with plenty of . Am I not doing something I should to reset the CD on SB?

[heavy sparrow]

I did this once

And I opened up a ticket and talked to a GM and they released the name so I could have it

[round cliff]

lmao what

i wanna try

what should i say

they say they wont on the support page thooo

[jagged gust]

what is your haste, and are you talented in to ITF or HR?

[dense remnant]

You sure you're running the same shield block talents on the specs

[jagged gust]

oh and enduring defenses is necessary

Enduring defenses, ITF with enough haste or HR without, and SC on CD will keep your SB up, once our tier set arrives it'll be even easier to keep up with all the CDR on SC

[flat wasp]

Thanks, for replying

haste is 26%, 36% with ITF (unflasked)
Spec'd into ED

I think I need to keep SC up on CD, I tend to sdave it for the next pull in M+

Should I switch back to HR? I had it last seaosn but wanted to try ITF for the rage generaiton and DPS.

[wicked pollen]

play hr

[flat wasp]

got it. I was wondering if that might be it.

[wicked pollen]

You will have gaps of shield block uptime otherwise with low haste

[flat wasp]

what haste % can I switch at?

[jagged gust]

Like 35% ish

[wicked pollen]

i didnt switch over until like 38% because I hate having the gaps

[jagged gust]

yeah 35 will still have minute gaps, like 1-2 sec every 45 seconds

[flat wasp]

thats 38% raw, without ITF and flasks?

[wicked pollen]

yeah

[jagged gust]

Yes raw

[flat wasp]

got it. Thansk guys

[wicked pollen]

its around 20k haste

[flat wasp]

much obliged

[wicked pollen]

Its just easier to play hr

[flat wasp]

This is an alt and new so the gear is meh. Hoepfully with S2 gear and secondary stat bloat Ill get up there

[jagged gust]

Oh without a doubt

[flat wasp]

I mean the 8% haste for ITF is sexy af, so I weanted to try it

[jagged gust]

Stats were somewhat reduced this xpac, but based off S2 of DF we were something like 40/40/20/20

[wicked pollen]

The haste from itf isnt always 8%

[flat wasp]

well in most M+ pulls it would be, right?

[jagged gust]

wait or was that was S3

[flat wasp]

I guess not on bosses

[wicked pollen]

Yeah but bosses are what are more important to me

[flat wasp]

fair. So bosses would be 6-8% depending on ranged?

[jagged gust]

Well it's not a flat 8% either, it scales with your haste

[flat wasp]

huh? The haste buff is buffed by ytour haste? Is it multiplicative?

[wicked pollen]

Yeah

[flat wasp]

ahhh....that makes sense

[wicked pollen]

It gets more value the more haste you have

[flat wasp]

should have realzied that its not additive

[jagged gust]

nah, blame it on the tooltip

[umbral kernel]

I'm a bit late to the party but did they plain removed the "dinars" from s2 ?

[jagged gust]

no

[flat wasp]

I mean they could put the correct number in the tooltip base don your current haste

[mighty valley]

heh... it IS flat 8%, but that means its value changes depending on your current haste

complicated

[jagged gust]

yeah, best not to overthink it

[flat wasp]

right

[jagged gust]

more haste = good

[flat wasp]

Well hopefully I can gear this guy up this tier to get to the tipping point. Its an alt and Im new so Im doing low-mid keys so it probably doesn't matter much

I didnt push up past 10 in S1

[mighty valley]

it was an investment to get to the good haste breakpoint in s1 but it'll be kinda trivial in s2

[jagged gust]

I went from 23k to 14k going from ilvl 630 ->640, can't always control it

[flat wasp]

yea, I see that

Im only at 14k at 627

HR makes all the difference in the world.

[jagged gust]

It's a very cozy talent

ITF is good numbers, but HR lets you breathe

Especially if you're like me and can't help but press execute with 2 stacks of SB unpressed and 40 rage

[flat wasp]

lol

I mean thats what sheild wall is for, right 🙂

more executes

Thanks again everyone.

[ashen basin]

wtf, these dps dont know how to play xD

[cyan bronze]

with flasks

fwiw

just no itf

[flat wasp]

thanks

[cerulean tusk]

These are the DPS that complain about tanks doing damage

[cyan bronze]

what is the context

[vague abyss]

always used thane, but apparently colossus is the way now, when is the best time to use demolish?

[cerulean tusk]

When you want to demolish the fools!

Basically: Whenever it is ready to be used, on your first use you wont have auto 10 stacks, but you will get to 4-7 while gathering

You can decide if you want to hold things for 10

[vague abyss]

yeah i see i want to collect a bit first with claps and shield bashes first before i demolish, but i guess waiting for 10s is just too far

[cerulean tusk]

All about what you feel is needed and how quick things die. Not to mention you got demo and ava running and dont want to desync them from Demo too badly

Dont worry, Demo destroys the meters when used - even if it comes out late

Just try to snipe the pad

[gaunt spire]

Mmm. Mm ämmä.nnä87

[mighty valley]

that's SO true

[restive oak]

dodge

[sharp olive]

We survived the class tuning

[small steeple]

WE LIVED

[smoky anvil]

Not as spammy but big number on screen make brain happy

[vestal moat]

dodged a nerf, huge

[jagged gust]

patch notes released?

[small steeple]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/season-2-class-tuning-incoming-march-4th-375381

[jagged gust]

damn, 15% to exe for arms, that's kinda heavy

[small steeple]

yeah, just more reason for arms to play col over slayer in raid now

[restive oak]

patch of the colossus

[neon elk]

Does that exe nerf affect us just like colo buff afected us ? Or are those different "styles' ?

[urban bane]

Nawr

[restive oak]

it shouldn't

warbound currency transfer disabled, wonder what the exploit was lol

[small steeple]

prolly a dup

its always a dup

[jagged gust]

I haven't paid any attention to exploits for a while, but with how many people have lost items and currency through warbands...

[daring narwhal]

prot saved given the patch note released with no nerf on us ?

[neon elk]

They still might add more , or do a bigger balance week into season based on more relevant data

[urban bane]

prolly unlikely to do big balance mid rwf

[ember token]

Raise a Shield - Warrior block chance against nerfs is increased by 100% until Tier List are set to C-Tier.

[ancient reef]

trying the new talents, how should i use ip and revenge now

[jagged gust]

same as always

IP to spend rage and revenge is still a filler

Though I'm really confused why the sims think TC has a 1.5s CD

[hardy snow]

It can have low CD with unstoppable force

[jagged gust]

yeah but I have IO talented

[urban bane]

Bloodlust?

Looks like the first 25 seconds

How's it look further down the line past 40?

[jagged gust]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eApXeHEyAg9UX2Ywjczxy2

I'm still seeing about a minute in a TC cast every second GCD

even outside of avatar

[hearty terrace]

Surprised Pwar got away with no nerfs 😆

[cerulean tusk]

If you compare us to other tanks, we aint that out of this world

we are strong, but not that strong

[neon elk]

Yea but other brings more utility than us (imho) while still same tanky a pretty comparable dmg

[hearty terrace]

On live atm its just a giggle coz my 600 ilvl Pwar is doing same overall as my 640 ppals

[cerulean tusk]

Not gonna lie, that means that paladin is trash tier

Paladins shred DPS atm

Maybe they trying experimental builds, or are semi AFK

but there is no way Ret loses to Pwarr on overall DPS

[cerulean tusk]

1.5m, is ST sims

Wait, sims are prob closer to 1.9

[hearty terrace]

That's overall in a +10

[cerulean tusk]

Ye, that tells us they aint trying

or they just bad

Last time I trollolol game with ret, they did closer to 2.5m, and that was trololol

[hearty terrace]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14Us4SYeq2fr3sG-iv1ADOORaO5NZqXFhQdt7UJzpfro/htmlview#gid=1912032410

[cerulean tusk]

Not sure why you are linking sims

[hearty terrace]

You where guessing sims so I sent them

[cerulean tusk]

That is current sims, or S2 gear sims?

That really do look like s2 gear sims

[hearty terrace]

S2 set up

Has what % tier upgrade you get

[cerulean tusk]

So not very applicable to my guess

My guess is based on current gear and values

[hearty terrace]

Fair fair

[cerulean tusk]

Still, careful doing that much dps, ppl gonna screenshot it and post it without critical thinking on the forums and cry

"Omg opop nerf nerf"

ignoring the DPS clearly played...

suboptimaly

to be nice

[neon elk]

Thats why blizz doesnt read forums

[hearty terrace]

I think bliz actually go over stats not forums

[cerulean tusk]

If there is enough outcry, they notice, and they take action

[neon elk]

Like ye we are strong but not that strong to outdps a ret ..

[hearty terrace]

We've been crying about Brew bring “bad” for agers but they keep getting nerfed lol

[cerulean tusk]

Brew is one of the best raid tanks

If ya talking m+, sure

So the point is kinda moot

[neon elk]

By "we" you mean like 7 people playing it ? Xd

[cerulean tusk]

But everyone complaining about Pwarrior being stronger than DPS players - now that, that will cause a stirr

Bruse some egos

[hearty terrace]

Yeah that's what I meant 😆😆

[cerulean tusk]

and the shitstorm will be unreal

[neon elk]

Nah, pwar is stronger than bad dps

[cerulean tusk]

I mean, we out DPSd bad dps before the buffs - now it just makes it so much easier

We shall see

I just hope blizz dont overreact

[neon elk]

Yea thats all we can do

[lean aurora]

Question: the ignore pain buff icon (top right of screen) shows a number on the icon. the number seems completely unrelated to the damage left to be ignored. What's the number?

[small steeple]

the duration?

[lean aurora]

Nah.

That's below it.

[neon elk]

Its % of its max cap or something like that

[sinful light]

whats the new spec were supposed to be usin

[jagged gust]

Vengeance

[sinful light]

i thought prot was doing some damage

[strong forum]

% of IP cap

[mighty valley]

colossus is doing the most damage but both are fine

[sinful light]

do you have a link to the build by chance?

[mighty valley]

It’s in the guides linked in the faq channel

[sinful light]

ty

[mighty valley]

Different options for different situations

[lean aurora]

That give any feedback on how to improve play? We aim for that number to be higher?

[strong forum]

Nah

[lean aurora]

Ty ty

[bleak breach]

@strong forum does the Vioent outburst change =more or less?

Felt like I’m getting them quicker but maybe not

[strong forum]

You're actually getting them ~5% less

[bleak breach]

Ahh yep

[strong forum]

Cuz it requires now 250 rage instead of 240

[hearty terrace]

What raid build would we run there is 2 exacute and Punsher

[strong forum]

Whatever you prefer. Thane has the stronger execute and safer punish

Colossus has muuuch stronger cleave and burst

[hearty terrace]

I'm rocking colossus but wanna know if Punish or execute

But if any work then sweet

[strong forum]

Any work

If you're confident, just rock execute

Especially on normal/hc just fullsend execute

[hearty terrace]

Done and done tyty wanna pop off dps anyway

Only reason I wanna play War is the dps

[strong forum]

Real tanks care about dps

[hearty terrace]

Thanks 😆

[strong forum]

Tbf, other tanks will absolutely crank aswell. People have just been overhyping as of late cuz it was "hidden"

(it wasn't hidden they just never tested the other hero tree)

[hearty terrace]

Atm (with out S2 Set) my Pala (640) dose as much overall dps as my 610 Pwar

And its easier

[strong forum]

That doesn't make any sense

Pallys have been doing north of 1.5mil Pre-buff already

[tawny mulch]

11 Gb

Shit is gonna get nerfed

[hearty terrace]

Don't know man 🤷

[strong forum]

Eh, I did 1.6mil in GB Pre-buff already xdd

Your dps players just suck

[hearty terrace]

Its just me being bad don't know I'm not amazing obly 3k ishh

[strong forum]

Score says nothing about player skill

[hearty terrace]

Yesh that's true

I was a Aug main for 2 years 😆

[strong forum]

Oof

[hearty terrace]

Nice!

[strong forum]

My condolences

[hearty terrace]

Why thank you Ima tank now

[simple atlas]

i hit 3k and proudly know im bad and got lucky runs

[small steeple]

does it really have a stronger execute build?

[strong forum]

I played Aug a bit in Alt raids 6/8M and my god...

It's so braindead boring

Infinite mobility, ranged, infinite defensive cds...

[strong forum]

Yes cuz thane gets +25% execute dmg and has higher rage gen

[hearty terrace]

Yes yes it is I hated Using a Sheet to min max ERT note telling me whome to buff and where hit rank 400 world

[strong forum]

Colossus doesn't get stacks from execute anymore

[hearty terrace]

But its so not real

[small steeple]

hm so for pure single target thane execute might be my choice then

[strong forum]

Phone on 8% so good luck peeps, time for bed so I can wake up early to blast more mh:wilds

[strong forum]

Probably ye, im recommending thane for one armed bandit and mugzee as both are 40% burns and pure ST

[small steeple]

i would be doing that but i don't think my pc could run it lol

[strong forum]

Colossus for first 5, Thane for last 3

[hearty terrace]

@strong forum you said all tanks are “close” in DPS before Yesh? Why is there “sims” saying Pwar dose 2m ST? 🤷 where rest of the dps are close to 1.6m? Is it coz of Cheese?

[strong forum]

Depending on how gallywix plays

[strong forum]

Cuz the Sims you saw are not even remotely correct

🙂

They were made before any tank, besides prot, had their tierset implemented and APL adjusted

[small steeple]

vdh apl is super out of date

[hearty terrace]

Ah sweet thanks we got any new
Ones then?

[strong forum]

Nothing public

[hearty terrace]

Roger APL not been fixed yet sounds good

[strong forum]

Only tank that isn't around 2mil mark is brew iirc

Brew legit undertuned

Rest is a-o-k

[small steeple]

both @midnight flame and @slim zinc have been too busy to work on vdh apl from what i understand

[hearty terrace]

Makes sense though brew is hella bad fun as fk spec I love it but sad that dps is low always been its “nesh”

Neche

[strong forum]

Niche*

[small steeple]

niche

[strong forum]

Anywho

Time to pretend to sleep

[small steeple]

my favorite

[hearty terrace]

Yesh can't spell For shit dyslexic

[small steeple]

yet you spelled dyslexic right

/j

[hearty terrace]

@strong forum thank you for the info mate

[hearty terrace]

Yes coz I've had to spell it ALOT over the last 28 years 😆

[round cliff]

damn i thought the circlet got replaced by heroic rings

do i need to go back and do the island?

[urban bane]

still puzzled by this ngl

[small steeple]

island is easy and quick

[small steeple]

that is weird

[round cliff]

arent the different gems locked behind weekly rotations

[small steeple]

no

they cvhanged that right away

the bosses rotate between the 3 they each drop

you can get all of them prolly in less than an hour

[round cliff]

what abt the ring ilvl tho

[small steeple]

you can rock it out in 30 minutes

[round cliff]

how do

[small steeple]

just do the quests

they aren't time gated for catch up

[round cliff]

like whats "the quests"

[mighty valley]

the purple triangle ones, right

[small steeple]

yeah for the first character

othjers they will be yellow

[round cliff]

im first character

i see yellows and blues

[mighty valley]

you gotta follow the breadcrumb quests that take you there

[midnight flame]

Yeah vdh has big potential

The apl is just really bad atm

And I'm dumb so idk how to fix it

[ancient reef]

hows scaling on current m+ keys

like whats the4 math on a old 12 is now a what?

[small steeple]

some math i did

[mint knot]

prot war untouched in class changes? oi we good

[mortal cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/calculation-math-hangover-allen-zach-galifianakis-gif-6219070

[urban bane]

may have found a bug with the sim spell data

Unsure what else could be going on at this point

[jagged gust]

Yeah I was just about to write a wall of text basically saying "I dunno lol"

Where exactly does the APL pull it's spell data from anyway?

Like the last documented change I could find for TC was in October

So I doubt that's the problem but my brain is shrugging

[urban bane]

looks like it is also on the bis sim profile in the spreadsheet

I wonder how long this has been a thing.

spell data is pulled from game but there could be something fucky going on otherwise cause obviously in game we're not seeing this ~2s cd on tclap. Hmm

[round cliff]

whats max ring ilvl

[small steeple]

658

[round cliff]

i ran out of triangles again

[small steeple]

ok

do the world quest

to trigger the ability to phase to storm mode

then a new one will appear

that asks you to go in

[round cliff]

this 1?

[small steeple]

and just literally hop in a mech

ya

you can just kill rares or the big bosses or the weekly quest to get a ton of progress

[fallow wind]

So we running Windsinger's instead of Legendary?

[round cliff]

i did it

[small steeple]

woo!

[round cliff]

ill prob be back to this island end of expac for the meta achieve

it can wait tho

[small steeple]

yeah, think theres a couple mounts too

start working on prismatic snapdragon now

its time gated

[round cliff]

ooo

[small steeple]

i think wowheadx has a page on it

[round cliff]

what about the bird mount

oh i found the guide

ic

[small steeple]

i dont think that one is time gated. haven't looked into it

[cyan bronze]

can you send me the sim?

curious

[urban bane]

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/w8hD1vyzkDs1FvGRzpRJz9/simc

[cyan bronze]

yeah your shits chopped as fuck

yea your shits chopped as fuck for real

only thing i can think of is that io is maybe copying effects of unstoppable force aswell as its own

but doubt

[urban bane]

I tried simming without either talented, same thing

happening outside of avatar, too

[urban bane]

not an isolated thing, happening on others sims and live sims too, fwiw

I imagine if you sim your prot warrior it'll have similar tc use

[cyan bronze]

no ik

i checked

[urban bane]

someone else brought this up. i just tested it with the simc profile nome created to see if it was happening elsewhere

[cyan bronze]

& same thing

io/uf

[urban bane]

🤷‍♂️ people who have an answer or a fix are prolly bedge rn guess we wait and find out whats up

[cyan bronze]

try untalenting it @urban bane

see what happens

thunderclap that is

[urban bane]

[cyan bronze]

has thunderclap been baseline for us?

[urban bane]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6hShmAExqUQkcCNC8yz71J not seeing tclap cast without tclap talented. ig that's a relief at least, but doesn't get an answer

[cyan bronze]

had sael look into it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1200597398016241814/1345256626537631744/image.png?ex=67c3e35d&is=67c291dd&hm=1876e53b44085518d3ac20479e5028fd2539c2a25eead7657f0ebf96c913ef1f&

its getting 50% cd mult

at least he thinks so

[urban bane]

so the effect of UF perma applied?

[waxen frigate]

we should all band together and murder nome for this

but do it old school

where like we bait ravens into picking him to death

[urban bane]

And kiss him?

Uh i mean

Yeah.

[cyan bronze]

supposedly

but also

hes not sure

idk

maybe

but just looking @ what cd should be & what it is

its bout 50%

[round cliff]

no theyre gonna nerf pwar again

[mild river]

True. Sadly 😥

[urban bane]

Looks like the sim wizards fixed it @cyan bronze @jagged gust I imagine our rage and dps simmed values will go down a lil but prolly nothin catastrophic. Unless... Maybe colossus now runs clapless rendless for AoE?

[hearty terrace]

Do we know the currant tank sims for dps ?

[languid quest]

The 'unintentional' buffs that prot got from the arms buffs that ive heard about, are they still in and are we thinking theyre gonna be sticking around?

[chilly brook]

still in

probably get fixed eventually, not a huge deal

very small nerf if it goes through

[hearty terrace]

Ah yeah cool any links?

All tanks Quite close? Apart from monk

Roger

Yesh okey fair not as wild over the top like what people think Pwar that is ?

Roger roger

Very keen to see what tank is the top dog 🐶 dps size and happy that the “hype” is kinds blow up for Pwar doing Giga chad dps

[short apex]

yo, i kinda struggled to keep Sb uptime with into the fray, is that top be expected or just bad play by me

[ionic fern]

In m+ you should still have 80%+ up-time with ED and Bulwark.

Do you have abnormally low haste?

[mortal dagger]

@strong forum tell bmj that he stinks af

[strong forum]

real

[short apex]

31ish i think

33 actually

well prolly just missplay, first time i rly ran into the fray

played the other talent all of s1 so i was just used to comfiness i guess

[ionic fern]

Jeah,at that haste level it should be fine. Probably just takes some time to get used to.

You can still play HR if it makes you feel more comfortable,but I'd advise to get used to itf.

[clear crest]

How should i use Spell Block in m+? On CD when pulling pack? Should I have a WA to warn me?

[charred ivy]

just did first key as tank. felt abit weird as used to spam IP etc i found myself ragestarved cause keep forget and spam it . xD

was playing MT even

[remote anchor]

whenever magic damage happens its good

[raw parcel]

Grats!