Okok
#protection
sharp gale
tawny briar
It's probably a generally small difference either way, but just wanted to know what was optimal in that situation
raw parcel
Okay, with flask I'm at 20318 haste, that enough to run ItF?
sharp gale
I would think so, I would try to do a key to really know (you will not insta die unless giga key lvl if you don’t block 1 sec )
raw parcel
Not many keys available this week, alas 😄
Guess I'll have to just be patient and wait.
sharp gale
Why ?
raw parcel
Because it's the week before the season and no one is running, especially at this time of night. 😄
Morning*
unborn island
Okay, with flask I'm at 20318 haste, that enough to run ItF?
I did a GB13 a few weeks ago with similar stats and ITF and it was fine 🙂
You just need to actually pay attention to shield block a little
raw parcel
I did a GB13 a few weeks ago with similar stats and ITF and it was fine 🙂
nodnod That's what I was thinking, just need to stop taking it for granted I'll always have rage at all times and plan around it a bit better.
unborn island
Yeah, I did a key last night as colossus and it was very difficult to not rage starve myself which definitely impacted uptime
lofty warren
Blizz wants you on a diet
No more being fat and happy as mountain thunder. Be skinny and sad as collassass
raw parcel
I know apparently this is a net neutral or even a buff, but it sure does feel bad not having all that rage flowing through my veins like red cocaine.
tawny briar
It can be a buff and still feel bad to play. It doesn't feel that bad to me so far, but I do have to think a lot more about rage spending, and it's been difficult to break the spammy muscle memory
unborn island
Yeah, I think it will be more chill in time...I just need to get off my being hooked on red cocaine
And...all of my buttons basically being generators, it's weird wanting to hit a button which is a spender
rain light
annoying that they disabled crests for this week
bleak lodge
I tried simming mountain Thane vs colossus on raidbots and mountain Thane came out on top in single target, why are we swapping to colossus again?
small steeple
I tried simming mountain Thane vs colossus on raidbots and mountain Thane came o...
In punish build single target they are close. Col should come a lil bit ahead there but not by much (assuming proper stats and the new tier set) but the Col execute build will do a fair bit more damage than them
bleak lodge
In punish build single target they are close. Col should come a lil bit ahead th...
Ah I see, thanks. I only simmed with punish build so that makes sense.
small steeple
So at least nome has his default recommendation to players for single target still as MT punish just because damage is so close and it’s a bit tankyer
jagged pier
I mean are u geared with next patch gear?
Do u have crit?
Etc etc
Those sims you see are built off max gear of 11.1 not now
Colossus should be coming out on top unless your stats are wack
Or you could be simming wrong
Would need to see the sim
normal cobalt
i love that Petko has prot in s-tier on the updated icy veins page
small steeple
I hate it
normal cobalt
purely based on dmg
small steeple
Its not actually that far ahead of the other tanks, at least in aoe. (I mean vdh and prot pal in this regard)
small steeple
jagged pier
Its not actually *that* far ahead of the other tanks, at least in aoe. (I mean v...
Not that in st ither
Right now even pretty much with some
small steeple
Not that in st ither
even with degen execute style?
jagged pier
Yes
small steeple
Ah, guess my info there is out of date too
jagged pier
Well depends on the fight rashannanananana yer its dumb
But like i did hc last night on ky i did 1.32 mil and my guardian friend did 1.4mil
Sikran we both did the same like 15k difference
small steeple
Does he catweave?
jagged pier
Well he plays the correct spec yer
small steeple
lol fair enough
cerulean tusk
jagged pier
Dotc so yes i would presume so
But only on like queen and rashannananana am i miles ahead
And i guess thats one because execute and 2 no clue on queen guess i did the skitters in p2 more than him i took infest so didnt hit adds in p3
static bronze
thane or colossus for m+ this season? Looks like both may be pretty good. Dusting off a warrior to play as an alt for fun
shut summit
tmi
wicked pollen
the mobs
dusky canopy
jagged pier
i cranked last night
wicked pollen
<:BearChrist:1016748719586152559>
dusky canopy
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/1344519225154338896/...
Sheesh!
proud cosmos
at least for colossus, how's mountain thane?
just tried both colosus and MT on dawnbreaker 13, colossus have way better dps
i think it is something like 150-200k more on the overall
native ember
darkiron dwarf or regular dwarf does it really fucking matter since they both can cleanse
sharp gale
darkiron dwarf or regular dwarf does it really fucking matter since they both ca...
Regular dwarf active also reduce damage taken by 10%
native ember
word
plush tendon
Regular dwarf active also reduce damage taken by 10%
phys damage
dreamy rain
we are getting 100% nerfed
sharp gale
Yeah phys I didn’t fully remember the effect
sharp gale
And the dark dwarf is main stat per cleansed thing right ?
plush tendon
And the dark dwarf is main stat per cleansed thing right ?
you right
X prim stat per thing cleansed for 8 seconds
strong forum
Myth ovinax
dreamy rain
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/38/?class=Tanks®ion=5&dataset=99...
do you think tank dmg is healthy for the game?
strong forum
Yes
plush tendon
tanks should do damage
strong forum
Tanks should be 70-80% of a regular dps
sharp gale
Give tanks what they scream for and see if it goes bad
Just press emergency button if it goes bad
plush tendon
though shouldnt we take the logs with a little grain of salt?
especially cause we gonna get new tier and what not
sharp gale
No new set and full greed prot build
strong forum
though shouldnt we take the logs with a little grain of salt?
Soooo
What you're saying is
sharp gale
Blizzard will take these logs with grain of salts ???
dreamy rain
does the s1 catalyst still works? kinda want the lfr version of our s1 tier set
strong forum
Yes
plush tendon
yea; I wanna see how classes look after a week or two in the raid
and in the new season
I aint making pre season decisions if Im blizz
strong forum
HAH
modest wing
Man brewmasters' already dead. Stop Bliz. Stop.
dreamy rain
i bet they will nerf tank dmg across the board only to get us in "line" with other tanks (brewmaster)
modest wing
Bliz like, "you STIL playing Brew? Well.. how about THIS"
plush tendon
money on .5 rework for monk and brew making it OP?
modest wing
Brew ain't a tank. Its just a bad DPS spec
sharp gale
I might replay brew this season ngl
strong forum
i bet they will nerf tank dmg across the board only to get us in "line" with oth...
They literally just buffed all tanks by 15-20% because they were too far behind dps players
Why does everyone forget that
fresh kernel
Tanks should be 70-80% of a regular dps
is that blizz's goal with the buffs? or is this what you're hoping for?
dreamy rain
They literally just buffed *all* tanks by 15-20% because they were too far behin...
i saw that, but in blizz tradition they forget about that in 1 week
fresh kernel
i think they recently buffed all tank dps
strong forum
is that blizz's goal with the buffs? or is this what you're hoping for?
That's what's healthy for the game
small steeple
i saw that, but in blizz tradition they forget about that in 1 week
yh i doubt that
plush tendon
strong tanks and healing being EZ is good for the game
strong forum
Only insecure dps players are crying when a tank does relevant damage
sharp gale
is that blizz's goal with the buffs? or is this what you're hoping for?
If top players don’t do full tanks keys (contaminate the meta hivemind) it is healthy I agree
So nerf to below that happening or up just before
strong forum
Full tank keys will never be meta because we don't have the mega burst that dps can provide to make big pulls
small steeple
If top players don’t do full tanks keys (contaminate the meta hivemind) it is he...
all tank keys have always just been a meme
strong forum
We may have high consistent dmg for once, but it ain't the 30mil dps burst of destro/bamkin/havoc/shaman cds
sharp gale
It will depends if the dungeon tuning is again surviving the key or dps, just 2 weeks of the hivemind running tanks is needed to go bad
But I don’t think it will happen with that dmg
small steeple
It will depends if the dungeon tuning is again surviving the key or dps, just 2 ...
The hell are you talking about?
sharp gale
I didn’t see a single Aug yet
small steeple
is Aug finally dead?
basically, had 3 rounds of back to back nerfs on ptr
plush tendon
basically, had 3 rounds of back to back nerfs on ptr
dude, its been getting nerfs since its been in the game XD
sharp gale
The hell are you talking about?
You know people rerolled bdk the first week of war within because of ovinax
small steeple
dude, its been getting nerfs since its been in the game XD
they last the surviability no longer affecting tanks and healers. Then they were still doing great damage personally and buffing. Now they don't do even that
sharp gale
They saw omg lot of bdk do keys with no context
small steeple
You know people rerolled bdk the first week of war within because of ovinax
I don't understand what a raid fight has to do with m+?
sharp gale
I don't understand what a raid fight has to do with m+?
Top raid players farm 10s etc so there was liken 30-40% of keys of bdk in 10
small steeple
Top raid players farm 10s etc so there was liken 30-40% of keys of bdk in 10
pretty sure it was 8's
sharp gale
Because you needed 2 bdk on early ovinax
small steeple
Ok? I still don't know what you were talking about here
sharp gale
Ok? I still don't know what you were talking about here
The hivemind is the tierlists target audience
small steeple
I didn't play 11.0, I only started this season in 11.5 too so lots of the refrences to start of 11.0 go over my head
small steeple
The hivemind is the tierlists target audience
Ok? I feel like I'm missing some context here. Pwar isn't super far ahead in damage at all
sharp gale
Not about pwar only
supple meadow
what's good prot chat
small steeple
Not about pwar only
Ok but what will depend? Seriously not sure what you are talking about. Thats what I'm asking
sharp gale
Ok but what will depend? Seriously not sure *what* you are talking about. Thats ...
Just that meta is driven by 50 dudes on archon and if the first week the average audience see tank only keys they will follow for a week
small steeple
Might just be me being me so sorry if this is being obtuse
small steeple
Just that meta is driven by 50 dudes on archon and if the first week the average...
ummm why would anyone be running tank only keys though?????
small steeple
It was in the world they do dps dmg
Um what world is that? I don't think any tank said they should do as much as a dps
pallid quiver
I think we should do double a DPS' damage
We're the most threatening after all
bring back mop vengeance
sharp gale
Mop classic hype here
small steeple
Ah and that way only 1 tank can do that damage so there won't be any groups of tanks!
sharp gale
Yep I wonder what the people gio and everyone is destroying on the details think
supple meadow
Mop classic hype here
WOD classic 💀
pallid quiver
It's like 50/50 between them going "Damn this tank is good" or "It is because X minority group exists that I donless damage"
Never is it "Damn, I suck"
And yes, I have had people literally donthe second one abover before
small steeple
wod remix. give us all the stuff that got cut
pallid quiver
Gotta wait for sod wod for that
plush tendon
WoD was fun
biggest downfall was there was nothing to do besides raid and milk garrison for gold
pallid quiver
I need sod wod just for how funny that acronym is
small steeple
sod? season of discovery?
plush tendon
but as a working adult doesnt matter as much
sharp gale
WoD with classic pacing = goated
supple meadow
I want to play sod legion
limpid ruin
but as a working adult doesnt matter as much
You say you are a working adult but I’ve never seen you work. Curious…..
pallid quiver
So I took a break and rejoined in legion
supple meadow
Imagine the cut content they had in legion
sick sentinel
Am I gimping myself for m+s if I pick battering ram over ravager?
pallid quiver
And a lego system that can fuck right off
pallid quiver
Am I gimping myself for m+s if I pick battering ram over ravager?
with new tier it's actually better, so
sick sentinel
with new tier it's actually better, so
oh shit, for real?
supple meadow
I hated the upgrade system for weapons
pallid quiver
oh shit, for real?
Yeah, Rav is currently better, but with new tier and more shield charges, it gets beaten out
supple meadow
too much rng
small steeple
with new tier it's actually better, so
about the same in aoe, 100% better in single target
sick sentinel
Yeah, Rav is currently better, but with new tier and more shield charges, it get...
oh nice. gonna look into, ty thanks, best news ever , i hate ravager 😄
plush tendon
I never say no to losing a keybind
though ravager is a cool button
so kind of sadge
small steeple
I think we default to DRoar now
Thunderous Roar and spear are actually about equal
sharp gale
but it's easier to hit everyone with roar eheheh
small steeple
Then use roar
sharp gale
But if we go roar this season does it mean vers is slightly better than crit or it’s diff as col?
small steeple
But if we go roar this season does it mean vers is slightly better than crit or ...
Tierset and col incentivize crit more
sharp gale
Thank god
small steeple
Crits on SS=more demolish. Tierset makes ss crits hit harder to I think? Can't remember off top my head
limpid ruin
75% chance to crit and SC cdr on crit during procs
small steeple
Yeah thats it! yeah big crit incentives
does shield charge really not generate threat?
karmic plinth
most likely spaghetti code from wod
sick sentinel
is it better to do thunderous roar + its 2 upgrades, or thunder roar +1 upgrade + base champions spear? and why?
ionic fern
is it better to do thunderous roar + its 2 upgrades, or thunder roar +1 upgrade ...
Go full in with either of those.
Either full, Roar + 2 upgrades or Full Spear + 2 upgrades.
That will net you the biggest damage upgrade.
sick sentinel
why though? the 2 extra sec on thunder roar doestn seem like much?
hardy snow
both skills arent that powerful without additional talents
sick sentinel
Hm okay.
karmic plinth
u also get 20% increased bleed dam durin troar
mighty valley
yeah, +20% to its own bleed + deep wounds + rend ain't nothing
graceful kite
you perma itf in this season cuz of tier anyway
round pendant
Time to watch Quazii's prot warrior guide
so I can see if he's wrong about anything so I can get mad about it
hardy snow
I still have headache after watching his last one 
lusty grotto
hmm
i dont think quazii is particularly bad
but i havent watched his class guides in much detail
however, one thing that irked me was how he didnt touch on AM being less effective with lower rage gen/consumption
not that anyone paid attention to that specific part, including the feedback thread
mighty valley
i just refuse to watch his videos on account of his thumbnails
hardy snow
i dont think quazii is particularly bad
He is good guy, but his guide for prot at start of TWW was terribly bad
round pendant
i just refuse to watch his videos on account of his thumbnails
yeah the thumbnails are gross
hardy snow
Ive heard brew one was also bad with errors
and when I've pointed out errors in his prot guide, he just blocked me 
round pendant
I like Quazii
lusty grotto
whats wrong with his thumbnails
lusty grotto
at least these are ok
mighty valley
yeah just. zero effort, zero relevance ai hottie slop
round pendant
idk why he can't just put some official wow art in there
lusty grotto
ill be in my bunk
hmm
honestly
its not off brand
im 100% sure he has a very "we play both mmos" audience
kinda like me
and you know ffxiv players are gooners
round pendant
it's mainly the fact it's ai slop
lusty grotto
yeah i guess
round pendant
just seeing quazii hold avatar for like 30 seconds in this video
he put tclap ahead of shield slam 
yep
I'm mad
dusky canopy
Are we really not enjoying the ai elf hotties!?
round pendant
yeah, fuck ai
vivid pumice
did colossus get giga nerfed by having execute not affect gaining stacks?
ionic fern
No.
vivid pumice
but what about my execute procs?
near walrus
i really love discord nowaday, if i need salt on everything, i just open a class discord and i'm good haha so many salty person loll
vivid pumice
what's the point of having this talent on colossus then:
near walrus
↑
vivid pumice
true
not even with all the buffs that colossus gets is it worth to pick show of force just because you are running colossus on ST?
near walrus
which build name it is ?
vivid pumice
didn't name it
near walrus
i thought you were talking about a build on the wowhead guide
vivid pumice
nono just theorycrafting
round pendant
this quazii pwar video is gonna give me an aneurysm
does he not consult with any.. good players when he makes these guides?
fickle terrace
what is he wrong about?
near walrus
i mean, he just need to come here, from what i read, we have a tons of #1 player here
round pendant
what is he wrong about?
rotation, cd usage
round pendant
i mean, he just need to come here, from what i read, we have a tons of #1 player...
Certainly a lot of players who are better at pwar than he is
I ain't a hater tho, I like quazii
just no content creator seems to make good content when it comes to pwar
near walrus
i know most of the non main warrior does a lot of mistake in their videos
round pendant
Yeah so why are they making guides 😔
mighty valley
clicks
near walrus
well if your job is to make video, you do them and you get paid
mighty valley
the difference in video performance between a guide that's actually accurate and a guide that "feels" accurate probably isn't worth the research time to them
either that or they play it for an hour and say "yeah i've figured this out"
neon elk
Its the strategy , u do something wrong on purpose , u coment it and start discusion about it, idealy right at his platform like yt, more coments means better even tho they arent good . Then u are upsed and go to discord tell people how bad the guide is, i wasnt gona watch the guide cuz what for but now im curious if its realy that off ,thats another view for him , and bam milion of views
neon elk
Also a lot of people do those guides like "this works for me so its good" i would say good example of that is yoda
inner belfry
I liked Yoda's guide
sharp gale
Bc you like yoda
inner belfry
the "this works for me" it's a better insight than "do this"
neon elk
Yea but he is trying to sell it as this is best , even tho its just best for him
sharp gale
Yes if you tried thane it is slower, if you tried colossus you don’t see the difference since you didn’t play colossus
round pendant
the "this works for me" it's a better insight than "do this"
No it's literally useless
"this works for me" is literally the exact words grifters use to convince you their advice is good
not saying yoda is a grifter
just saying it's meaningless
ionic fern
We are in a unique position where both Colossus, and Mountain Thane work great in Raid and Mythic+.
So you are free to choose which one you want.
round pendant
Does yoda have a new guide?
neon elk
As a s1 MT enthusiast, go give colo a chance its blast @limpid island
round pendant
his one just before TWW was awful
sharp gale
I did couple keys between the two hero talents, the difference isn’t that bad considering one will 100% get at least a small bluepost
inner belfry
Does yoda have a new guide?
Yes
prisma crane
tbh i kinda second giving colossus a chance, the massive hits are super satisfying
still trying to adjust to rage differences, but its pretty fun so far
inner belfry
As a new prot warrior player, if a guide tells me "you have to do this" I assume there's no other way to do it, and then if I try doing it and it doesn't work I assume i'm shit, but maybe there's a way that works best for me
But im nowhere near a top end player, so i might be shit lol
round pendant
I think playing the "proper" way and just learning not to use crutches like BSV or double shield wall (in previous seasons)
is just bound to make you a better player
why not just start off doing the right thing
It's not like riding a bike where learning without training wheels will have you crack your skull open
it's a videogame
lusty grotto
true
inner belfry
different approaches to learning maybe
round pendant
Everyone's free to play how they want tho
If you don't care and prefer the comfort of crutches or whatever
that's chill
But if you wanna be a good player it's better to not use em until perhaps there's a time where you actually do need them
imo
inner belfry
But if you wanna be a good player it's better to not use em until perhaps there'...
I agree, that's what im saying
hardy snow
does he not consult with any.. good players when he makes these guides?
nope 😄
unborn island
BSV/double wall are great as crutches if you're pugging like mid-range (12-14) keys and not playing with very good healers
unborn island
Idk what the equivalent for 12-14 will be this season? Like 14-17 or something?
My 14 AK last night felt like a 10
lusty grotto
I finally fixed all my shit btw
good shit
lusty grotto
woven radish
Man Tuesday can't come soon enough. So ready to start ripping through these new dungeons. Tried running one last night for guildies to try out new builds, but fuck me it was painful, I'm so burnt out on this season lol
jagged gust
Yeah I logged in, cried about having to do quests to get to a zone I don't care about
then logged out
Probably a break season for me
round pendant
I liked Yoda's guide
The new guide is much better than the first one he made
round pendant
Yeah it was something alright
lusty grotto
absolute vomit-inducing garbage
jagged gust
Wasn't Revenge! Like 2nd on his priority list? lmao
mighty valley
i feel like blizzard is partly to blame for that one - if a button lights up, it should probably be at least slightly more important to hit it
jagged gust
True enough
I'd love a slight revenge! rework, just make it guaranteed to trigger an empowered frothing berserker or something to make you want to press it as MT
tribal wharf
i feel like blizzard is partly to blame for that one - if a button lights up, it...
shield block if you are pwar and in combat and its not active
or you are not pointed at enemy (target)
mighty valley
I'd love a slight revenge! rework, just make it guaranteed to trigger an empower...
it's drifted so far from the original intent as a counterattack fantasy button that i'd rather they just retheme it to its current function (aoe damage dealing rage spender)
but that is more work
jagged gust
Well you make another good point
tribal wharf
what if its, the more threat you have on target more revenge does
fossil shore
colossus got better dps profil than MT?
tribal wharf
revenge doesnt work when there is no motivation
lusty grotto
colossus got better dps profil than MT?
yes
but that was always the case
even in s1
jagged gust
revenge! could work like old parries where it would hasten your next attack, when you press it it either doesn't trigger a GCD or triggers a reduced GCD like that DH ability
lusty grotto
just not by much to warrant the swap
mighty valley
i think it's fine that its current use is simple (bottom of priority order filler), i don't particularly think prot warrior needs more complexity
jagged gust
Eh, I have fun talking about what could be
chilly brook
do you think tank dmg is healthy for the game?
Of course why wouldn’t it be?
What would make it unhealthy if a tank did even 90% of a dps
neon elk
As long as tanks arent outdpsing dps on ST ( assuming same gear and skill ofc) everything is fine
mighty valley
i think 90% might be pushing the point where it's smartest to do weekly keys with 4 tanks just for safety
keen leaf
^ thats why
neon elk
Thats why it needs to be balanced with ST dmg , imho
mighty valley
the other sad reality is that the gap needs to be large enough so that middling dps players don't get really mad and quit lol
urban portal
yeah 90 is def too much
especially on ST
else you can bring too many tanks in raid
urban portal
i think 90% might be pushing the point where it's smartest to do weekly keys wit...
imagine world last raiding with 10-12 tanks
so no one ever dies
and healers just keep each other topped
mighty valley
that sounds hilarious let's go
jagged gust
All you need is a couple monks tossed in for dispels and you could wipe the floor with every single boss as a full tank group
jagged gust
brown and pink warriors
lusty grotto
fuck that, bears and pinkies can dispel
jagged gust
I was just trying to give monks something to do for once
jagged gust
They secretly like it
lusty grotto
xD
tribal wharf
they are very effective doors in doom
quite annoying when 50 of them running at you
tribal wharf
in old versions of the game they planned to make him explode on death and even had animation frames for it
but it was cut because god only knows why
jagged gust
something tells me 50 of them on screen exploding might cause issues
tribal wharf
50 demons is nothing for a doom map, typical maps have between 80 -350, some have more,
don't attempt on ps5 i would say
might brick it, unsure, it will load, but it wont be fun, wont be fun unless you have the super duper computer nasa mainframe
maybe then you get 30 fps
chilly brook
Very simple fix, limit the amount of tanks allowed in content. Also doubtful that you would actually do this because you’d be losing out on a lot of different things besides just damage. Some dps just have way better damage profiles for certain fights, you’d also need ranged dps due to ranged mechanics. It’s not like melee DPS are exactly super squishy anyways, not to mention at least 3 melee dps specs have immunities which are pretty good for mechanics, rogue also brings a unique damage reduction etc.
@urban portal
tribal wharf
i semi like the idea of how league does it
everybody is the tank
or, anyone can be or not be the tank, but you probably need one
lusty grotto
its a good idea, but it doesnt fit WoW
also griff, you know hard restrictions arent really something people like
i feel like 75-80% of a dps is a good number
anything less is ass though
urban portal
i dont think yogi has ever played league
urban portal
also griff, you know hard restrictions arent really something people like
hard restrictions is what killed overwatch initially lol
never recovered
lusty grotto
urban portal
tbf most of it is long queue times too
cyan bronze
or, anyone can be or not be the tank, but you probably need one
huh
tribal wharf
play a few matches of league and you will get it
jagged gust
So I finally got the will to do a couple quests to unlock the new mount
Took me a while to realize keyboard turning is back in vogue
Trying to steer with the mouse and camera is an absolute nightmare
lusty grotto
it has no difference
strafing does the same thing as vanilla AD
and mouse viewing
though i suppose drifting by mouse viewing will be a lot more tedious lol
strong blaze
Anyone else struggling with the reduced rage regen especially as colossus, thinking of running Heavy Repercussions instead of Into the Fray up until the point where we get our s2 4-set
woven radish
That's my thinking, once SC spam really comes online I'll switch, not trying to sweat it while I'm gearing up with potentially less than desirable haste as i chase ilvl
strong blaze
Ye but with gearing next week youre just gonna be taking whichevr pieces you can get your hands on, if your haste starts dropping theres gonna be times where you get caught with your pants down with no SB up
sharp olive
I'm sure it been said thousands of times but boy the colossus build at the moment is good
Scared for nerfs it is that good
strong blaze
Whereas 4-set looks like it'll be omega easy to keep SB up, so run into the fray
lusty grotto
right my point is, youre talking about 2 different things
i just replied to the rage part
if you feel your haste dips while gearing there's no shame into going HR at all
strong blaze
ye just curious what peoples thoughts are
sharp olive
I'll be going back to HR next week
lusty grotto
tier also has a lot of haste
only head piece doesnt have any
so kinda similar to s1s
chilly brook
i feel like 75-80% of a dps is a good number
The point being is that allowing tanks to actually deal damage doesn't hurt anything
lusty grotto
yeah i think we the vast majority here can all agree with that
floral trail
couldn’t that backfire if you skill out of into the fray cause of haste is too low (cause it gives you a good amount of haste right)
lusty grotto
what do you mean
if your haste is low you should definitely go HR
ITF works with better with higher haste
floral trail
Ah ok good to know
lusty grotto
ITF doesnt add up to DRs, so thats why we swap to it on high haste ratings
at low haste, if you go ITF, you will hurt your SB uptime badly
gentle acorn
I'm hearing alot about "pwar doing dps level dps" assuming this is a meme/bug?
lusty grotto
no
its only dps level dps if youre with bad players
or inexperienced
but it is high
also its just pre-season so it doesnt really matter
gentle acorn
i mean it does matter for early raid prog 😉
urban bane
Bear is set up to be about the same as us for raid st fwiw
lusty grotto
next week is not today
sick sentinel
anyone have a good key build
lusty grotto
#protection message related to the "tank dps" thing
floral trail
@lusty grotto can you explain to me in which circumstances we want to stack Versa and in which we want to stack crit? I have seen both, mostly versa variants on warrior pushing on top end
lusty grotto
you go versa basically when you cant realistically use our tools to survive
or when getting there
floral trail
that makes sense
lusty grotto
either is fine, just go whichever
and crit helps a lot with white hits
due to parry
and is not screwed by key scaling
the higher you go, the more versa you will need
its just really unneeded on vault keys or anything but top/rank1/bigpushing keys
the way i approach it is the same every season, going back to BFA or legion
"am i dying without making mistakes?" put on some vers
floral trail
ok I just thought about cause I gotta tank in five stack on season start and have enough gear to either go crit or versa. But then I start with crit and can switch if I feel like
lusty grotto
youll replace it so dont stress too much about it
just equip anything with haste
mastery is not to be avoided
floral trail
Ok 👍
mighty valley
also your stat prio isn't gonna be the thing that makes or breaks your team getting to the next key level
they're all pretty dang close
(although haste is best obv)
lusty grotto
yeah for 5 stacks, youre gonna be spamming vault keys so it really doesnt matter at all, especially as you gear up
but do keep in mind week 1 keys tend to hurt a little bit because of our S1 ilvl and equipped gear, so that's something to keep in mind
mighty valley
thankfully blizzard has kindly reduced all our keys to zero so we can calibrate
jagged gust
but do keep in mind week 1 keys tend to hurt a little bit because of our S1 ilvl...
Ugh, I'm gonna miss my myth shield
lusty grotto
oh shit that reminds me i havent checked who drops the farmable one in raid, i guess we'll find out next week
floral trail
but do keep in mind week 1 keys tend to hurt a little bit because of our S1 ilvl...
Yeah thanks let’s see how it works out 😂
torn gulch
if you did 13-14's you'll be in 10's day one with current gear
lusty grotto
👍
restive oak
you can just look at journal now
lusty grotto
so reverb is the earliest shield
restive oak
yep
lusty grotto
and a fantastic weapon to boot
restive oak
his neck real nice too
lusty grotto
oh yeah
bis neck basically
and bis weapon
not bis shield but at least its decent
lusty grotto
yeah for sure
restive oak
and crit has more value in collossus build than typically
lusty grotto
its good for both
restive oak
yeah always good, but it is more value for col
cyan bronze
Modular Platinum Plating Modular Platinum Plating armor increased by 846%
maybe better if 847!
lusty kernel
10 SOB, I stole all the dmg
fallow beacon
nooooo they nerfed tome
torn gulch
846% more armor on plating and still 
hardy snow
daring narwhal
nooooo they nerfed tome
So will only do about 8% to 12% of our single target damage ?
torn gulch
expect further nerfs to it
hardy snow
well, they also changed ICD on stacks, so it will be harder to mainain dmg buff all time
tribal wharf
<:keks:936231610850897992>
+800% value
it didnt work when they did it to diablo, wont work on that trinket
formal geyser
U guys play colossus or thane?
rain light
colossus
formal geyser
Hell yeah
supple meadow
U guys play colossus or thane?
thane go zap
urban bane
The book!! Nooo
jagged gust
It was a little annoying in S1, but since we're dropping ravager it's not a problem
frees up a keybind for demo
But I'm probably gonna default back to MT, it's cozy and I don't have to worry about whether or not my healer is alive
formal geyser
We don’t use ravager?
supple meadow
The build on wowhead uses rav
jagged gust
Cuz you don't have tier yet
Get tier, drop ravager for battering ram, though it's not a huge diff either way
jagged gust
Yeah, at that point just make sure you have enduring defenses talented and spend the rest how you like
unborn island
Is there a reason that the suggested build doesn't take fight through the flames? Are there no nasty magic tankbuster this season, or is 6% too small?
hearty terrace
10 SOB, I stole all the dmg
100% wont be nerfed LOL
supple meadow
I just wanna say shout out to all the simc and theorycrafters and guide writers, yall are literally the actual goats of wow
I want to give thanks for the thankless jobs you all do
strong forum
fluid widget
so just to understand, what changed in the prot tree that made us no longer use ravager?
jagged gust
You and your fast typing
strong forum
orchid mural
question about colossus prot: when starting a raid fight, do i just send demolish without any stacks, or build up to 5? or 10?
fluid widget
thus battering ram will be goated
so would you use ravager until you get the tier set over battering ram?
rain light
yes
jagged gust
question about colossus prot: when starting a raid fight, do i just send demolis...
It's like 4 or something for first cast
so you sneak in a couple SS's after your opening CDs before sending
fluid widget
are there any other talents that we swap around?
jagged gust
spear and roar are pretty close and interchangeable
tribal wharf
for me personally its roar if given the choice
skill issue mooned on the roof spears
fluid widget
skill issue (player related) is why i def am going to use roar
strong forum
sure
fluid widget
but cool thanks yall
jagged gust
coming from S1 Instigate is now quite good, DA is now better than IW for colo, haven't played MT so I don't know how badly the 5% tactician nerf affects SW CD with IW, and of course there's like 5 talents you can swap between in the first and second talent tiers
tribal wharf
i like roar cuz its just one and done
pallid quiver
Imp Wall is just dead after the removal of rage on it and reduction of SW CD base
tribal wharf
worst case, you arent near monsters and you do a funny animation
there is like a million ways you can actually use spear to good effect, me dumb
spear go roof
jagged gust
I also like the reduced CD on roar, especially good on lower keys where packs die in <30s
Gotta parse in those 10s lads
jagged gust
spear go roof
I had a ravager stuck in the roof a few weeks ago on brood, feelsbadman
jagged gust
GETOVERHERE
tribal wharf
throws out a big ass chain with a hook, and if it lands, starts to reel the target in, can pull your self towards hooked (player) if you wanted
that or give dk that
jagged gust
Isn't that an ability in plunderstorm?
jagged gust
It's weird, first time p-storm came around I couldn't bring myself to log in to retail, it just scratched the right itch
I ran it once this time around and haven't touched it since
tribal wharf
i kind of wish the PS was more closer to the fortnite
100 players huge map
last about 30 minutes if you play whole thing, or can rather
supple meadow
It's weird, first time p-storm came around I couldn't bring myself to log in to ...
peestorm
😂
jagged gust
🙂
supple meadow
I'm 12 years old sorry
tribal wharf
i dont so much miss the building, but it was fun to run around and break down cars and buildings and stuff
supple meadow
(In my head)
tribal wharf
fortnite is actually a really fun game
jagged gust
I think the shorter game time helps play in to the repeatability of it, first season it took like 5 seconds to queue and you were playing a round within <1min
supple meadow
fortnite is actually a really fun game
honestly, I be popping off on fortnite sometimes
tribal wharf
its got that doom quality to it where its infinitely replayable and never ages
supple meadow
the mortal kombat collab they're doing rn is sensational
I get one or two wins every time I play
I play like maybe 5 games a day or so
tribal wharf
i would want to see blizzard do a FPS single player story the most, something with guns
supple meadow
ha that would be hilarious
tribal wharf
they could set it in space to ensure there is reduced violence for if they want E for eveyone rating
lasers and such, maybe some aliens
supple meadow
Didnt they have one in the works before they were acquired by Microsoft
simple atlas
is there a good way to farm weathered undermine crests?
heavy sparrow
I have no idea what I'm doing as a prot war
supple meadow
I have no idea what I'm doing as a prot war
God why are you doing only 3000 dps
(I know that's your io score I'm making a joke)
dark barn
I'm doing 1.25M overall in keystones and playing like garbage (im a bit rusted because of alt playing), before reset i was doing like 800k
dark barn
played some brewmaster and was doing much less, blizz hate pandas, guess another season with prot war main
neon elk
Hope it lasts longer than few weeks , but afaik all tanks are capable of pulling good numbers since reset
heavy sparrow
God why are you doing only 3000 dps
I'm trying man!
dark barn
I felt that colossus is harder to play, and immovable object added some nice brain effort to the gameplay
long chasm
Am I going to get rekt next week doing 2-4keys with 615ish ilvl?
dark barn
no
dark barn
there's not even fort/tyra in level 2
frozen berry
How long do we keep 4pc old tier value wise vs ilvl of other pieces
long chasm
Sweet, I’ve been kinda scared
strong forum
How long do we keep 4pc old tier value wise vs ilvl of other pieces
you drop it as soon as you get new 2pc
our current tierset is HILARIOUSLY weak
dark barn
you will hurt the 3% dr feelings 
jagged gust
Oh wow, I just looked it up, I forgot how bad it was lol
sick sentinel
is having intervene a must in m+s? if so why?
heavy sparrow
It's more of a gap closer for now
Like right now right now, that will change next week
sick sentinel
oh, whats changing next week?
heavy sparrow
Things not so easy
sick sentinel
hm I see.
its just I dropped ravager, trying to figure out if there's a new keybind i can replace it with.
heady dagger
some BIS list around for S2? raid specially
lusty grotto
rik reverb and last boss lol
if you journal their loot, youll know why
first 3 bosses basically have exceptional accesories, shield, best 1 hander
bracers, cloak, 1 ring, 1 neck
though im not sure if mugzee's fist weap is actually any good, would have to sim
no secondaries though
anyway im pretty sure nome put a list on wowhead and/or mwahi on icyveins
neon elk
@ionic fern icy veins guide bis gear shows Improvised Seaforium Pacemaker as motherlode drop
lusty grotto
Mwahi does
both guides will always vary a little
bis lists never matter anyway
simming does
neon elk
Yea it just shows wrong drop location
lusty grotto
oh just tell Mwahi
errant wagon
Class hotfixes 1 hour go. Warrior no where in sight yet 😅
small steeple
Class hotfixes 1 hour go. Warrior no where in sight yet 😅
those just look like bug fixes
no tuning at all so
errant wagon
those just look like bug fixes
Yea but I'm pretty certain you classify the demolish thing as a bug
at least it's what I would call it
lusty grotto
then you'd be wrong
small steeple
Yea but I'm pretty certain you classify the demolish thing as a bug
no not a bug
bug implies something is broken or glitching
errant wagon
Ok, fair. I won't argue the definition.
Oversight I guess, wrong spell ID.
mighty valley
they’ll probably hold tuning for mythic opening
lusty grotto
#protection message does this look like a bug to you?
errant wagon
Not really here to argue ha. It's an oversight then, my bad.
dark barn
look how they massacred brewmaster
lusty grotto
well to be fair, there's probably very little brews playing
but yeah, if anything brews damage needs way more eyes than this so called "demolish bug"
onyx vessel
Bug
lusty grotto
just because petko mentioned it as if, apparently his word is fact
errant wagon
I think you can look to the official patch notes and see the applied buff is not described for Prot is all.
small steeple
I think you can look to the official patch notes and see the applied buff is not...
and? the note writer isn't the dev in charge of balance
lusty grotto
tooltip mistakes are not exactly new to WoW, in fact they have existed since vanilla
errant wagon
fair point 🙂
lusty grotto
and of course that includes any associated documentation
errant wagon
well I will stay hopeful then
dark barn
I just cant see blizzard letting prot war without nerfs. Its was clear unintentional and the devs usually dont like us. 
lusty grotto
youre hella dooming
did you not see the brood parses?
why would they ever nerf a spec that is competitive
round cliff
come on now
lusty grotto
would you expect them to nerf and then buff again to the same values or something?
onyx vessel
lusty grotto
well i mentioned it cause thats what would end up happening if they do nerf
lusty grotto
if anything we need buffs, specifically thane AOE buffs
jagged gust
instigate gud
round cliff
run both
jagged gust
Well it is technically a DPS loss cuz IO exists
lusty grotto
does Immoveable object proc off our 2 pc?
no
round cliff
Well it is technically a DPS loss cuz IO exists
im not some sicko who uses IO for dps
jagged gust
I'm the sicko who drops IO for TR
lusty grotto
im not some sicko who uses IO for dps
thats too bad
i guess the rest of us will just enjoy dps
keen leaf
if its content where u dont need shield wall, why not use it for dps
lusty grotto
why wouldnt you use it
keen leaf
free numbers
lusty grotto
sending an avatarless demolish is just wasting big hits
round cliff
how do u revenge spam without bloodsurge tho
lusty grotto
easily
round cliff
that is not an answer
lusty grotto
did you miss that we get big revenge refunds?
jagged gust
I wonder if revenge spam is actually the answer this season
keen leaf
thats what im doing lol
round cliff
did you miss that we get big revenge refunds?
maybe??
jagged gust
With the buffs to Barbaric Training I was wondering if it's gonna push TC down on the prio list
round cliff
TC is already low prio
lusty grotto
now you know 🙂
round cliff
neat
lusty grotto
also that barbaric training no longer increases rage per revenge
lusty grotto
yeah pretty much
but ideally
you want to demolish with demo
and whatever avatar or mini avatar is available
round cliff
TL?
keen leaf
thunderclap thing that cdr's demo
round cliff
A
lusty grotto
for the record im talking specifically Colossus
just in case there's a lurker that's confused lol
round cliff
thane is dead to me
keen leaf
thane is still alright, I did a key as thane and didnt feel much of a difference
lusty grotto
i havent done the napkin math so its probably better to ask nome, jakey or mwahi
fluid widget
for the record im talking specifically Colossus
is it still colossus as strong as MT in ST too?
lusty grotto
for both
but at least thane is somewhat closer to thane colossus in ST
colossus just absolutely destroys thane in AOE
neon elk
but at least thane is somewhat closer to ~~thane~~ colossus in ST
Reading this 3rd time i guess one of those is supposed to be colo , not sure which one tho
pallid quiver
why isnt the m+ build running bloodsurge?
The actual answer, by the way, is that it gives more rage than Bloodsurge, especially after tier set with Ram
lusty grotto
no u!
pallid quiver
Since bloodsurge now only works off of one bleed instead of all bleeds
Even if the proc chance iirc is higher than it was before?
It's only more rage once you get past 5 targets if I remember right, which isn't a common scenario
It likely could be picked up if you had to do singular, scary bungo pulls in high keys
But that's a niche situation that doesn't happen as often and would leave you with less rage for bosses
lusty grotto
small steeple
no bloodsurge, io for dps
with the buff to instigate, it generates more rage than bloodsurge up to 5 targets, and after that while bloodsurge does do more, it is rather inconsistent
round cliff
with the buff to instigate, it generates more rage than bloodsurge up to 5 targe...
instigate generates rage?
small steeple
instigate generates rage?
makes devestate/devasator make more rage
round cliff
ic
small steeple
lusty grotto
also lets not forget that besides frothing you have free revenge procs
round cliff
am i supposed to prio free revenge procs over anything
small steeple
don't know if it was mentioned, but blood surge also only works with deep wounds now so no more rend and thunderous roar generating rage
small steeple
am i supposed to prio free revenge procs over anything
Always SS
lusty grotto
so if youre absolutely getting rage starved as colossus it isn't because of s1 colossus problems
round cliff
i think momas needs to increase ur size by more than 5%
lusty grotto
moves down after revenge, depending on rage and if SS is up or not
small steeple
and as Col, try not to use violent outburst on TC lol
lusty grotto
and/or if rend is droping
jagged gust
am i supposed to prio free revenge procs over anything
Only if your name is Yoda
round cliff
how do i burn 35 min until monster hunter
pallid quiver
new monhan bad because they removed monhan language
round cliff
LET ME IN
fluid widget
after we get tier, would we use ravager again at any point?
round cliff
i dont think so
round cliff
after we get tier, would we use ravager again at any point?
the real strat is drop ravager now
its a dps downgrade but idc. fuc ravager
im still gonna do my 10 week 1
sharp gale
nice
ionic fern
<@238357283996696576> icy veins guide bis gear shows Improvised Seaforium Pac...
Thanks for pointing it out - I'll fix it tonight.
neon elk
Yw
round cliff
idk bros kbm controls feel PRETTY GOOD with focus mode in wilds
and the game feels built around them being actually usable
i might be a convert
sharp gale
idk bros kbm controls feel PRETTY GOOD with focus mode in wilds
i didn't use it a lot yet
for now i don't see what is the use of focus mode but i just did 1 hunt
round cliff
for now i don't see what is the use of focus mode but i just did 1 hunt
aim wherever + you move forward more when attacking
sharp gale
yeah but when do you press it ? before pressing your next button ?
sharp gale
maybe it's just the weapon, it was not really hard to hit monsters in world already with the charge blade
round cliff
its one of those things where u dont need it but you'll learn to appreciate it if u try
dual blades blade dance can actually move forwards during it when they couldnt before
greatsword can just AIM their charged slashes now
etc
sharp gale
i will love it when it will make me not miss the finisher move on the charge blade , the one that consume all charges
round cliff
yup
sharp gale
100%
round cliff
thats a thing
also focus mode lets u see wounds and do ur focus strike
so even if nothing else u use it for that
sharp gale
you press and you hit or it's another button to do focus strike ?
round cliff
if ur on playstation pad its r1 while in focus mode
thats one of ur main ways of activating chainsaw mode on charge blade, focus striking a wound gives u like 2 min or chainsaw mode or smth like that
sharp gale
im with xbox controler but i know ps controls thx RT
round cliff
rb not rt
sharp gale
idk what is upscaling but thank god i changed it (for graphics)
sharp gale
i have set to (medium) and manually changed upscaling to balanced (for now, will see when pc blows up)
sharp gale
i turned on DLAA to see if i'd hate it
i just tried right now, camera stutter for me and i don't see any difference to the graphics for my eyes ( i enabled and moved the camera around fast to test if it happens bc it makes gameplay bad and gameplay>graphics for me)
fast oracle
are we still generally doing thane for survivability, colossus for damage?
restive oak
colossus for everything
ionic fern
are we still generally doing thane for survivability, colossus for damage?
The gap between the two is small enough that it won't make much of a difference. With the new tier set and Colossus playing IO, the difference in defensive value has narrowed. MT is still the more defensive and easier choice in my books,but Colossus deals more damage while being beefier than s1. I'd suggest Colossus for majority of content,but as I said..both are competitive.
idle copper
Is there a significant difference in Rage generation between Bloodsurge and instigate?
jagged pier
yes
sick sentinel
What's better for m+s, colossus or mountain thane for season 2?
sick sentinel
interesting thank u.
bold turret
Guys, I've just logging in since the patch - having about 25% haste without ITF feeling really slow... is colossus much slower than thane or is it the patch?
ionic fern
Why do you play without itf?
It's slower in the sense that you don't spam IP,which is off the GCD.
You try to balance Rage on Revenge and IP depending on the situation.
sick sentinel
@ionic fern oof, 15% more dmg as collossus in target dummies without hte tier set... idk. i had no rage for ignore pains doing it tho. with mountain thane im just overwhelming with rage.
hm
ionic fern
You need to be smarter as Colossus with your rage.
sick sentinel
how so? i was just big spamming lol
ionic fern
Colossuses damage comes heavily from Revenge.
You need to know when to Revenger and when to IP.
sick sentinel
ah. i guess if im not dumping all rage into revenge that 15% gap should close in a lot.
ionic fern
As MT you can more or less just spam IP since your rotation revolves around Thunder Clap / Blast and the circle of SS resets.
You don't have as many free globals to use Revenge as MT,so you just spam Rage into IP while prioritizing TC/SS
ionic fern
ah. i guess if im not dumping all rage into revenge that 15% gap should close in...
Correct. Colossus does play with IO tho,which will provide increased defensive value whenever you Avatar. Once you pair this with the new Tier,you will get even beefier.
sick sentinel
very very torn atm. 😭
ionic fern
Honestly play whichever one you like more from gameplay pov.
Or swap it around between dungeons.
I'm playing Colossus for now since I played MT for the majority of s1.
So it's a nice change for me.
sick sentinel
mhm maybe ill swap around a little bit. the gear is the same for both anyway right?
i like the idea of collosus better but im afraid of messing up and going splat lol
ionic fern
mhm maybe ill swap around a little bit. the gear is the same for both anyway rig...
Yes. Ilvl-haste-crit.
ionic fern
i like the idea of collosus better but im afraid of messing up and going splat l...
You won't go splat. Just utilise SW more frequently as needed.
ionic fern
wait, crit is better than versa?
Generally,yes. Crit provides more DPS while also playing a big part in damage reduction thanks to parry. Vers does have situations where it's better than Crit defensively,but generally it's a better idea to focus on haste/crit.
lofty warren
Why is pwar a tier? I thought blizz murdered it
remote anchor
because its good
ionic fern
Why is pwar a tier? I thought blizz murdered it
Blizz did murder it with initial changes. Then there was a big splash of community feedback regarding the changes after which they backtracked some of the changes and made other adjustments.
Most streamers/tier list creators were not keeping an eye on it and labeled Prot as garbage..
Only recently realizing that "damn,prot's actually good".
ionic fern
does critting provide more rage too?
No.
lofty warren
Ohhh nice i liked pwar in 11.0. Is mt good in m+ or do you need to be rage starving as the other one?
ionic fern
MT is as good as it was in s1.
Still the same strengths.
Colossus got more value out of the 11.1 changes and is now more comparable to MT in also defensive value thanks to IO and new tier.
Both are competitive options for m+/raid.
bold turret
Why do you play without itf?
I did a dung instead of a dummy and it was way better
idle copper
<@238357283996696576> oof, 15% more dmg as collossus in target dummies without h...
I've made a weakaura aura that gives me an alert and then countdowns from 5 to 1 when Ignore is going to drop off - gives me plenty of time to reapply if I want it up
It's a bit overkill but I'll likely just use it until I get in the routine of actively thinking about IP
idle copper
Colossus got more value out of the 11.1 changes and is now more comparable to MT...
IO ?
ionic fern
I've made a weakaura aura that gives me an alert and then countdowns from 5 to 1...
That WA will go nuts in higher keys as IP gets knocked off super fast.
idle copper
That WA will go nuts in higher keys as IP gets knocked off super fast.
Fair one, I'm only doing 12s ATM
idle copper
Immovable Object.
👍
lofty warren
Ohh man now I'm not sure between pwar vdh ppal for next season
idle copper
Ohh man now I'm not sure between pwar vdh ppal for next season
I was having the same quandary I prefer the utility the VDH brings but the PWarr is a lot more forgiving on my intermittent lag
drowsy narwhal
can someone tell me why overhelming rage (maximum rage increased by 30) is used in suggested builds?
idle copper
I prefer the way PWarr moves around as well, probably technically less mobile than the VDH but in M+ feels more mobile
drowsy narwhal
i thought especially good players never cap out to 100, why the extra 30?
maybe @strong forum when you got time?
ionic fern
i thought especially good players never cap out to 100, why the extra 30?
It can be used in ST builds to help pool for certain things,e.g execute phases and to have more Rage to play around with.
oak ivy
Immovable Object.
Wait the talent that pops wall/avatar on each other??? We're allowed to play that now? O:
ionic fern
Wait the talent that pops wall/avatar on each other??? We're allowed to play tha...
As Colossus,yes.
MT still plays UF.
oak ivy
IG colo gets value out of it due to tier? Would the random proc swalls also then proc avatar by the talent?
drowsy narwhal
It can be used in ST builds to help pool for certain things,e.g execute phases a...
but from what i read, i thought col is lacking rage compared to thane and for thane that perk wasnt even used, isnt it paradoxial?
ionic fern
IG colo gets value out of it due to tier? Would the random proc swalls also then...
Tier does not interact with it.
oak ivy
Aw.
ionic fern
but from what i read, i thought col is lacking rage compared to thane and for th...
It's still used for the reasons I explained above.
It's not some "amazing" point,but it provides value. You can use that point elsewhere if you want to. In raid builds we don't really need to take stuns etc,so those are already freeing some points and Overwhelming rage is a decent point to use instead.
formal elbow
i hate those nonsense meta-lists..just play what you enjoy..it does not matter for 90%+ of playerbase if 1 tank/spec does 5-10% more...the least people play it that well (me 1. ^^) that it matters....
drowsy narwhal
It's not some "amazing" point,but it provides value. You can use that point else...
thanks for explaining
small steeple
For Col, in single target, do we know if sidearm or barbaric training is better? I’d expect BT but I’ve seen a few places still show sidearm
ionic fern
Pretty sure BT is the standard everywhere now.
drowsy narwhal
i hate those nonsense meta-lists..just play what you enjoy..it does not matter f...
its not about the meta list, trying to understand why 1 skill point is used there instead of some place else. because it might provide a significant advantage i dont understand, and if i understand it, it might make me a better player
ionic fern
its not about the meta list, trying to understand why 1 skill point is used ther...
I think he just made a statement about tier lists not connected to the question you asked.
drowsy narwhal
ahh okay, sry about that
formal elbow
I think he just made a statement about tier lists not connected to the question ...
youre right friend, i don t want to critisize tanbur ❤️ sry for the confusion...not english native speaker here ^^
drowsy narwhal
last season, when i asked if i should spend 1 free skill point into making shockwave bigger or use it for intimidating shout, the answer was it is always better to have 2 interrupts than 1, but Nome's build suggests it otherwise, why would that be?
drowsy narwhal
youre right friend, i don t want to critisize tanbur ❤️ sry for the confusion......
all good, no worries ❤️
lusty grotto
last season nomer builds also had 1 less cc
not a lot of differences
between seasons i mean
oak ivy
are we Aegis enjoyers now over IW
ionic fern
last season, when i asked if i should spend 1 free skill point into making shock...
Can't speak for him,but I'd warrant it's due to the combination of Earthquakes + Rumbling. This can reduce Shockwaves CD fairly low allowing for more usage vs Disrupting Shout which is a 1.5m CD.
lusty grotto
its a flexible point
ionic fern
I'm in the boat of having the extra fear - too many pugs send AOE stuns randomly just DRing everything.
But it's up to you what you take.
lusty grotto
that reminds me
drowsy narwhal
Tanbur you can swap intervene around for an extra cc (as Colossus)
yeah, that point i m already using for pain and gain but not set on stone ofc, its flexible 😄
lusty grotto
mwahi youre using crackling as colossus?
drowsy narwhal
Can't speak for him,but I'd warrant it's due to the combination of Earthquakes +...
thanks again, i see
ionic fern
mwahi youre using crackling as colossus?
As a flex point,je.
lusty grotto
ah ok
just feels wasted on colossus tbh
but if its a flex point then Tanbur can also use it
lusty grotto
oak ivy
What's the over under on Instigate vs. Blood surge in M+
ionic fern
Instigate everywhere.
lusty grotto
kind of needs a huge pull to even out
oak ivy
Understood, ty
drowsy narwhal
between intimidating shout and crackling, which one would you pick @ionic fern
ionic fern
how about battering ram vs ravager
We are in a fun place where we actually have choices for once.
Roar + sub talents and Spear+ sub talents can be swapped.
Colossus and MT can be swapped.
Ravager vs BR vs BSV can be swapped.
drowsy narwhal
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I did, I had a question about your build, its couple of posts above but Mwahi also answered, sry for the ping
sick sentinel
We are in a fun place where we actually have choices for once.
Roar + sub talent...
thats actually kinda cool.
ionic fern
I did, I had a question about your build, its couple of posts above but Mwahi al...
I only answered with my own logic,maybe he had some other.
ionic fern
between intimidating shout and crackling, which one would you pick <@23835728399...
Shout as Colossus. Crackling as MT
jagged pier
Dont inturpt nome hes playing MH 
jagged pier
Yer today
jagged pier
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