protection

[urban portal]

Could be true on pure st

[fluid widget]

for a prot noob, has it changed much between MT vs Colossus?

[lusty grotto]

yes

colossus is very strong right now

but thane isnt far off

[vocal flame]

Never played Col so gonna be fun to try

[lusty grotto]

not a lot of gameplay changes except IO walls can be used offensively with mini avatars for demolish

[round cliff]

for colo m+ build

how much am i losing by taking battering ram over ravager

can i finally abandon ravager

[daring narwhal]

only with s2 4p afaik

[chilly brook]

@strong forum holy prot builds batman

[strong forum]

the first 3 you dont technically need

as theyre already within colossus ST and thane ST

its just colossus for cleave and council

and thane for ST

but its good for people who wanna think even less

to have those top 3

[toxic pewter]

why is there a number on my ignore pain buff

[strong forum]

its the % of its cap

[toxic pewter]

my god

love that

[strong forum]

outburst is also tracked via % buff now

[toxic pewter]

interesting

im on arms for now so ididnt see that one yet

ngl people giving the new colossus smash animations a lot of crap, but the sound effect of it owns an actually adds more clarity whos getting hit

[strong forum]

the animation is....

good for CS

bad for warbreaker

cuz uh

[toxic pewter]

oh yah I guess I meant warbreakerr

and yeah I guess its not my favorite of all time

[strong forum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/284226322585354241/1333964010088960040/2025-01-29_00-56-24.mp4?ex=67bf0f8b&is=67bdbe0b&hm=5188795ea4469d81e906195db7d27e5998f05cb87fdb57083ca75374b9bb7a2b&

[hollow bolt]

AAAAAAAAH

[strong forum]

not really fun

when you proc that massive animation on 50 targets

ITS A BIT MUCH

[hollow bolt]

still full mad they wouldent give us the legion one back

[strong forum]

real

[hollow bolt]

the fucking spikes from the ground=bis

also shadow damage

[wicked pollen]

nome is ip still bad on arms

[kind glen]

Is there a big difference between Roar and Spear in ST?

[wicked pollen]

depends on your character

generally spear will do better with more crit

[toxic pewter]

my server lagging so awful

[small steeple]

lmao

[round cliff]

we dont take overwhelming rage in m+?

im depressed

im gonna drop intervene for it

[mighty valley]

eh, bear in mind rage income is reduced

should be easier to stay below the normal cap

[lusty grotto]

in mind

[mighty valley]

Never

[strong forum]

cant afford it

[round cliff]

im still not sold on intervene

[strong forum]

overwhelming rage hardly does smth for us

but yeh

[neon elk]

What can i drop for that ms talent ? Want to zoom

[round cliff]

i honestly didnt even notice we dont have it

u wont either

[strong forum]

the movspeed talent doesnt stack with the movespeed gem

soooo

[round cliff]

gem?

[strong forum]

blasphemite

[neon elk]

Och they changed that ?

[strong forum]

the white gem

[round cliff]

wtf why doesnt it stack

[strong forum]

never did

[round cliff]

wtf.

isnt blasphemite crit

not movespeed

[cinder marsh]

blizz is a fucking joke

[neon elk]

Yea im stupid, ive had extra speed because dwarf not that talent ,rip

[strong forum]

the crit gem is like 1k dps

not worth it

[round cliff]

archi says it is :(

[round cliff]

where did blizz touch u

[cinder marsh]

gonna make me wait 7 days to do more quests and say m0's come out today and then they dont?

[round cliff]

actually, U say it is

wowhead says use it

[sharp gale]

Speed is an underrated stat sometimes

[strong forum]

yeaaaahhh but

yknooooooooooooooooooo

[round cliff]

fix it!

[strong forum]

technically it is more damage

[round cliff]

speak your truth!

spread speed propaganda

[strong forum]

[round cliff]

also by it doesnt stack

[cinder marsh]

correct me if im wrong but didnt the timeline say today was the day m'0s come out

[round cliff]

u mean gem does nothing if u have speed talent?

[strong forum]

no the speed talent does nothing

if you have the gem

[round cliff]

speed gem doesnt get u over 5% does it

meaning its an entirely wasted talent?

[sharp gale]

There is a reason when they add 0.01% speed on a League of Legends champ they win 50% more games

[round cliff]

thats LEAGUE

idk if 5% speed wouldve ever stopped me from completely ignoring a mechanic and getting 1shot

[neon elk]

It does get u to like 8 or so iirc

[round cliff]

o damn

[sharp gale]

It gives you 5% more time to react

[cinder marsh]

?

[lusty grotto]

no

youre wrong

[cinder marsh]

i swear i saw that somewhere

[lusty grotto]

m0s start next week with the season

with weekly lockouts

instead of daily lockouts

[round cliff]

wow players be like "i hate blizz because my baseless assumptions were wrong"

[sharp gale]

In the official announcement it is implicitly excluded from today reset

And implicitly said it will be with the season

Tbh blizzard is kinda wrong to not stating exactly in the announcement

[toxic gyro]

Is bartender not working still in 11.1? None of my binds are working.

[round cliff]

update to alpha build in curseforge

released on 1/19

under versions

[toxic gyro]

❤️

[earnest nymph]

does immovable make sense until we get 2pc of s2 tier?

for colossus m+

also is ItF intended for the default m+ build or is it dependent on a haste breakpoint?

[lusty grotto]

pretty sure 2pc has nothing to do with IO

and yes ITF is the go to this season

[earnest nymph]

how does it have nothing to do with IO

[lusty grotto]

you should have more than enough haste as it is, and if not you'll have it by next week

because IO doesnt interact with the wall procs

so it has nothing to do with it

[earnest nymph]

ohh, I didn't know it didn't interact

cool, ty

[lusty grotto]

actually just to confirm, @strong forum IO doesnt work with tier set bonus right?

that would make it giga broken

[raven sluice]

should i be playing colossus or MT in mythic raid tonight? just rekilling queen mythic...

[lusty grotto]

colossus

[lofty warren]

is M- season 2 availavlke?

[earnest nymph]

no

next week

colossus still feels kinda shit to play imo

[lusty grotto]

you can play thane, its not so far behind anyway

[strong forum]

coreect

[lusty grotto]

[earnest nymph]

I thought it was significantly behind in dam?

[raven sluice]

thane also feels shit to play....its slow as hell

[lusty grotto]

well yeah

it will

once we get tier

it does more aoe for sure

but its pre season so it really doesnt matter

i sim 3.924M as colossus on 5t patchwerk vs 3.176M as thane

so 747k less dps as thane

so its pretty hefty

but he mentioned queen so

MT vs Colossus ST for the majority of the fight

which should be a whole lot closer to each other

[raven sluice]

i tried both for a few pulls and col is far ahead of MT for me and has jsut as much rage gen

[lusty grotto]

execute builds

punish builds

so around 100k give or take

just clarifying about the "significantly behind" thing

i did say play colossus for queen 🙂

[strong forum]

colossus destroy the adds much faster

if you hold demolish for them

[lusty grotto]

[strong forum]

also nim, imagine not simming 1.3mil

[neon elk]

What was the itf haste breakpoint ? Like 35%?

[strong forum]

[strong forum]

18k

[lusty grotto]

ive been away 😢

[neon elk]

Ty

[strong forum]

in weekly keys its jsut 16k

[lusty grotto]

also i forgot to swap trinkets for them lol

[lofty warren]

what is there to do this week?

for power

[sharp gale]

https://tenor.com/view/ford-mustang-driving-cute-kid-toy-car-gif-17734687

[earnest nymph]

nothing afaik

season starts next week

there's campaign I think

test out class changes in current content

[lofty warren]

what does campaign give? im already bored and not even 2/6

[sharp gale]

It gives you lore

[earnest nymph]

idk man this is standard patch week

[strong forum]

lore

[bleak breach]

Really wish they brought out M0 but might just afk until next week still

[sharp gale]

You can still do season 1 m+ no ?

[lofty warren]

so there is no need to spent time on this?

[bleak breach]

Na

[lusty grotto]

can you stop posthing this shit

you realize EU hasnt patched

and they might consider some of it spoilers

[bleak breach]

6/6 will be useful

[lofty warren]

what does 6/6 give

[bleak breach]

Will get a free crest for crafting

Stuff EU

[lofty warren]

is new world boss available and what ilvl?

[bleak breach]

Next week

[sharp gale]

Nim that’s what I thought when I saw it hopefully it’s 3 am (I didn’t read texts bc I don’t want to know myself lol)

[lusty grotto]

yeah idk

i hope he asks chatgpt where the delete picture button is

cause hoooly

[lofty warren]

I figured out the correct thing to do this week

[lusty grotto]

this one is useful too

[sharp gale]

That’s what I do when I don’t play wow for too long and too many discords

[lofty warren]

idk why they have a patch relesae with literally no power to do what a waist

[sharp gale]

For lore, the RP part of the mmorpg

[ruby musk]

Let the crippling addiction begin

[lofty warren]

2 step plan for things to do this week

[lusty grotto]

weird im missing an item from my bags

i wonder what got deleted

[sharp gale]

Hopefully not your swapblaster

[lusty grotto]

lol

[sharp gale]

Maybe anniversary event stuff idk, only psychos notice those kind of stuff

[lusty grotto]

ah

it was this

the soul garbage thingies

[sharp gale]

Do you take screens of your bag ?

[lusty grotto]

no

[neon elk]

Wait they already removed/ changed those worldsoul thingies ??

[lusty grotto]

i just checked a vid

[sharp gale]

Just to save it jus tin case ?

[lusty grotto]

otherwise my curiousity would kill me

[lusty grotto]

deleted apparently, i dont know what they were called

i cant remember

worldsoul something?

[sharp gale]

I think you can start farming next currencies this week

[lusty grotto]

ah worldsoul memory

[sharp gale]

Free valorstone tokens*

[lusty grotto]

yeah im pretty sure they'll be back

[sharp gale]

Their real name

[lusty grotto]

obviously they dont want you using s1's

[neon elk]

I wanted to spend them to get some valor, still need some tmogs , catalyst charges arent gone yet right ?

[lusty grotto]

hmmm

ill check in a sec, just remember s1 tier should be free to convert for appearance's sake

[pearl herald]

oh no, low ranked at everything you do 😄

[lusty grotto]

or at least that's been the case every season since DF

[neon elk]

Yea but will i be able to upgrate it after s2?

[lusty grotto]

no

you cant upgrade now

at least not s1 gear

[formal elbow]

gn8i dear us pals..cya soon zzz..zz....😴

[neon elk]

Wait i already cant upgrade s1 gear ? Or i wont be able next week?

[lusty grotto]

s1 gear is not upgradeable

when a patch hits

[neon elk]

Damn that sux

[dark barn]

They changed the scale of the dungeons but you can still push, i did a 14 boralus and felt like a 11
Lets time all 15s lol

[lusty grotto]

it might be a bug, its usually when the season starts that you cant upgrade previous season gear, or maybe im misremembering

[neon elk]

Well there goes my plan to get all tier variants

[lusty grotto]

honestly it doesnt matter since valorstones went to 0

and i dont see s1 crests anywhere

[sharp gale]

I guess you gear something this week with quests and such

[neon elk]

Hmm interesting , lets hope they fix it and allow it for one more week , how am i supposed to gear alts without upgrades

[lusty grotto]

vet gear starts at

623

at 1/8

[sharp gale]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-confirms-no-more-season-1-gear-upgrades-374473

[lusty grotto]

and you can get them via weeklies

like the theater bs

and awakening the machine, etc

[chilly brook]

so Battering Ram is a new tier set thing ye?

[sharp gale]

And I guess you upgrade it with the crest you don’t care so you can use them?

[lusty grotto]

yea pretty much happy

[chilly brook]

or run it now?

[sharp gale]

Okok thx bc I have to gear a bdk for guild raid I was kinda weird with this week

[urban bane]

I mean you don’t get shield charge CDR until you get 4p

[small steeple]

with tier

[neon elk]

So they already uped ilvls ?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[neon elk]

Noice

[neon elk]

One more question for now, what ilvl do i need for set to count as mythic ?

[sharp gale]

To become purple.

?

[cerulean tusk]

Mythic track probably what he asking

[lusty grotto]

hero

4/6

or was that for heroic version?

[prisma crane]

so is the go-to Thane or Colossus now?

[lusty grotto]

colossus

[cerulean tusk]

Mythic mog starts at 4/6 HC track, ye

[sharp gale]

I think I’ll do the same as s1 for gilded crests, I got first 639 achiev in my guild kinda quick

[prisma crane]

thanks boss

maybe i dont want to @strong forum

[strong forum]

ye sorry thought i was in helldivers

[prisma crane]

better dive in!

[lofty warren]

Is m0 available or can you get keys for s2 or anything?

[strong forum]

no.

[raven sluice]

k killed mythic queen - new colossus build was significantly better than the MT build - felt tanky as hell

[strong forum]

sstop asking repeated questions pepega

its still s1

until march 4th/5th

you only get to do the new zone story

nothing else

[lofty warren]

I watched kalamazakazi youtube video and he said you can get stuff

Turns out he, like all warlocks, are liars

[cerulean tusk]

Go figure

[jagged gust]

You can get RAID READY NOW with these HOT tips!

[lusty grotto]

doctors hate him

tier list makers despise him

[cerulean tusk]

Hot gamer gf near you

[jagged gust]

Your ilvl 593 warlock is gonna make some waves

[lofty warren]

Ohh what are the hot tips to get s2 power. I ain't willing to grind renown fck that

[cerulean tusk]

Just wait till m+, like a sane human being

[neon elk]

Nah i meant like what ilvl it needs to be to count as mythic tmog when converted via catalyst , is max hero track enough?

Or 626 since tracks changed

[lusty grotto]

4/6 hero like funky said

[cerulean tusk]

4/6 HC track or 1/6 mythic track

[neon elk]

Ty guys

[sharp gale]

You should try https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/fr-fr/news/24178759/the-undermined-content-update-goes-live-february-25
before going somewhere else when it’s about blizz announcments (sry if it’s in French I tried to put in English I can’t do it yourself with URL)

[lofty warren]

What time is it in France omg

[sharp gale]

3:39 am

[lofty warren]

https://tenor.com/view/take-care-sleep-tight-sathya-gif-4204269199178285117

[dark barn]

you can push s1 io (the dgs are nerfed)

[sharp gale]

I have schizophrenia sometime I can’t sleep, it happens, thx for caring pepega it is nice touch

[finite pumice]

For tanking low baby keys where survival isn't really a problem, I should play colossus ya?

Just zug zug

[raw parcel]

Just checked the updated M+ build on Wowhead, we're running Defender's Aegis now? 😮

[lusty grotto]

YES

sorry caps

yes with IO

as colossus

[sharp gale]

I did bet it would be col but I thought it would be bc of the tier set

[lusty grotto]

lil avatars

[raw parcel]

Is Colossus the better pick now, too?

[lusty grotto]

yes

part of the reason we use DA now is cause IW rage got nerfed

but also

because mini avatars are great

with IO

[raw parcel]

Well shit, now I need to practice that a bit. I actually haven't tried that even once yet, just done Thane 😄

[sharp gale]

I didn’t fully followed ptr, didn’t the rage of IW got put into one of col talents ? I’m not misremembering ?

[lusty grotto]

im not aware on the details

[prisma crane]

is there a world where you delay demolish use to keep might stacks?

[raw parcel]

Do I just... hit Demolish on cooldown, as Colossus? :x

[pastel sleet]

can we do operation floodgate today?

[lusty grotto]

with avatars

but yeah on CD you should have 10 stackers

[sharp gale]

I’ll see in 1 h 15 anyway, colossus with a car soon

[lusty grotto]

likely there are damage amp scenarios (like first boss in raid) where its better to delay but not by much

you shouldnt hold stacks honestly

[sharp gale]

Do you need to wait for stacks for the first use ?

[molten root]

At least according to the WoWhead build, the only talents referencing Thunder Clap seem to be Rend and Show of Force, unless I'm missing something. I did miss the rage gen on TC which does matter though 🙂

[lusty grotto]

im not 100% on it but i just send it with avatar

[sharp gale]

When I tried col in December, I didn’t really cared bc it’s just a first pack issue, but sometime first pack is an issue lol

[urban portal]

It also resets shield slam

And also is a filler

[lusty grotto]

[molten root]

Ah fair, so many things seem to reset Shield Slam it's hard to keep track for me

[lusty grotto]

3 things

thats not many lol

[sharp gale]

Autos, revenge and clap

[molten root]

Or maybe it's just Thane throwing out so many TCs it feels like a lot

[lusty grotto]

revenge TC devs

thane has triple SS procs

so yeah, kind of

or rather 3 charge SS stacks

[sharp gale]

And also thane had lot of rage

[lusty grotto]

with Burst of Power

[urban portal]

and yeah with show of force you are buffing revenge with tc

I don’t see why you won’t take it

Obviously you can if you wanna do like 7% less damage

[lusty grotto]

i have a feeling we will have a lot more questions about it

wouldnt be surprised if it was people that just wanna minimize keybinds or whatever

err about TC specifically and the talents

[strong forum]

Show of force is mostly only picked for the revenge dmg as Colossus

[oak ivy]

I would like to apologize for dooming I feel fuckin great

[strong forum]

And for the fact that we don't TC often enough for TL to be good

[strong forum]

Only when you know there's a point coming up you need to have demolish for to snipe a dmg buff or many targets, like ovinax egg breaks

Otherwise you just send demolish on cd as you apply a 20% dmg debuff on the enemies hit by demolish

[raw parcel]

What is it that puts colossus ahead of thane at the moment?

[strong forum]

Damage

And immovable object

But mostly dmg

[sharp gale]

Also thunderlord has less value since revenge and clap are switched in priority as colossus

[wicked pollen]

hi nomer will the #protection-faq be updated?

[echo cloud]

why is demolish hitting for 5m+?

[idle copper]

What is the synergy with immovable object and Colossus ?

[mighty valley]

it's more that thane really needs UF

since tc/tb is strong for them

[vale escarp]

Because Blizzard can't handle Hero talents, wanted to buff Arms but buffed Arms and Prot

[echo cloud]

I liked arms passive play they are forcing us to play colosus yuck

[lusty grotto]

doesnt matter

it puts us on pace with VDH and prot pally

its not a "cant handle" issue

its an intended buff

regardless of what any tier list creator says

[neon elk]

At least we dont have a dead hero tree unlike vdh ( or useles 4pc if u choose)

[vale escarp]

Wasnt the 30% demolish buff only listed as arms buff?

[lusty grotto]

if anything we need Thane buffs

but yes demolish buff is listed under arms, doesnt mean anything since tanks got buffed by a wide margin and we got aura bumped by 26%

[small steeple]

Lmao vdh actually has 2 viable and good hero trees

[neon elk]

Yea but then u sacrifice 4pc , thats what i said

[vale escarp]

But it buffed Prot Demolish too. Which could be unwanted

[lusty grotto]

its not unwanted

because if they revert that we go down the drain on dps

so...

feature not a bug

[vale escarp]

Like Blizzard Care about PWar DPS

[small steeple]

Not at all. Even FS will take the hunt and 4pc instead of CA. It’s more damage in basically all target counts (not sure where the breakpoint is)

[lusty grotto]

well if they dont, they why would they even look at it

it goes both ways

[neon elk]

Right, for some reason i tought meta cdr leads to CA while it leads to hunt , so its fine for them i guess

[slow birch]

in colossus ST, does thunderous roar or champion's spear increase damage more? (max adds are 3)

[small steeple]

Pretty close I think

If you have high crit it’ll lean towards spear I think

[slow birch]

yeah high crit for sure w/ col

I guess im wondering if Bloodborne makes Roar the better choice, if you can take Bloodborne in a fight

[small steeple]

Bloodborne no longer works with roar

Only grevious wounds. Bloodborne is only a rage gain over instigate at 5+ targets and even then it will be less consistent

Wait is Bloodborne the rage one?

To tired I can’t remember lol

[slow birch]

I think you're mistaken lol

[small steeple]

Oh ok yeah. But regardless bleed damage for warrior is getting kinda left behind. With abilities specifically being buffed so it doesn’t touch bleed damage

[lusty grotto]

just sim and youll see

[slow birch]

good point, i assumed sims were not updated yet.

[lusty grotto]

besides what are you even gonna drop for bloodborne

instigate?

none of our builds use bloodborne

[slow birch]

spellblock and instigate, assuming 2nd point in bloodborne > instigate

[lusty grotto]

i guess spell block might be fine

but considering the amount of shit spell blockable in the raid....

[slow birch]

yeah obv. this assumes a perfect world

but the rage gen alone from spear makes it way more appealing imo

[burnt torrent]

So are we leaning colossus over thane?

[lusty grotto]

full ass

full ass cannonballing into colossus

at least until they buff thane a bit whole fucking lot in AOE

thane still pretty okayish on ST

[burnt torrent]

So we just colossus andies now?

Thane feels more fluid imo

[agile elbow]

Play what you want. Colossus will just do more damage.

[lusty grotto]

well thats like your opinion 🙂

[burnt torrent]

Yeah but I gotta play what makes sense, if colossus is going to deal more damage and keep the same survivability then it's colossus

[round pendant]

Oh hey it's nimchip

[lusty grotto]

[pallid quiver]

technically it'll likely have less survival overall

not by a very notable margin

[neon elk]

But more dmg = more survival

[pastel sleet]

omg my damage has more than doubled in the last 24 hours

[prisma crane]

makes sense, ty

[round pendant]

noway

man, 2025 and eu still gets patches a day later

[vestal moat]

did keys get way eaiser or what

new scaling or something. im cranking 14s +2 . had barely timed 13s before patch

everything dies in 5 seconds

[remote anchor]

Every class got buffed basically

[round pendant]

surely this week doesn't count for s1 title?

pre-patch week is always fun though

big dam

[lusty grotto]

pre season never does for title

[round pendant]

yeah I thought so

[willow edge]

Wish they would go back to tanks doing damage over healers having to dps while healing tbh

[round pendant]

nah

surely not

[willow edge]

Given the cycle every week of war buffs then nerfs, class leads have no clue where they want us to be I'd say.

[round pendant]

Let warrior do good dam for once damn it

[hearty terrace]

Why wouldn’t they I’ve seen clips of Warriors on PTR doing Bonkers dps

https://youtube.com/shorts/4HzHKJrWf_s?si=5TpRgl0wnX7dHYnq

[round pendant]

define bonkers

[willow edge]

Not the worst tank damage for once

If we arent low to mid blizzard isnt doing their job

[lusty grotto]

we're in the "people are overreacting due to streamer takes" phase of the patch apparently

[willow edge]

I've just stopped watching streamers tbh

I check patch notes and see "warrior buffed 20%" "warrior nerfed 15%"

[lusty grotto]

lol

sounds about right

[willow edge]

"Rage gen buffed. Rage gen nerfed"

[round pendant]

I was regularly out-dpsing dps in certain pulls in s1

[willow edge]

Not on single target

[round pendant]

well yeah

[willow edge]

I played colossus in s1 and demolish on high targets would put me higher on numbers

Does help my gear ended up being high crit haste

[round pendant]

and we still did less dam than paladin for the last like 5 seasons

so

[willow edge]

Yep

[round pendant]

can we just be good dam for once thanks

[willow edge]

No

Warrior was the only tank in vanilla and that was over 20 years ago and we cant have that again

I feel similarly with holy priest tbh

[lusty grotto]

nah

[willow edge]

Paladin really hasnt been bad since tbc

[lusty grotto]

its just people put their money on tier lists picks

[willow edge]

Yeah and unfortunatley if you arent in a guild of people that raid/do m+ then you rely on public opinion of your class

[lusty grotto]

so they are like "zomg nerf pwar" cause they feel their picks threatened - which btw shouldnt be cause VDH and Ppal are doing comparative damage

also basing their opinions on pre-patch of all things lmao

[willow edge]

Im not looking forward to rng tier sets this season

[raw parcel]

Am I bitch made if I swap back to Heavy Repurcussions? :x

Excuse me? That's bears, how dare.

[violet ginkgo]

I think S2 will be ITF forever, as you can cast more shield charge that will cover the duration for 100%

[raw parcel]

I might just need some more haste. Or to stop pressing revenge so much.

[supple meadow]

no more going to tanaris to reup on noggenfogger

[jagged pier]

macro it to everything go broke

[hearty terrace]

Honest Question do we think Warrior dps be nerfed the sims being very high for us and clips I’ve seen us doing Dps damage do you think they will relised we are doing a lot of damage or is it just “streamers” affect that just looks crazy coz people are saying its crazy

[errant wagon]

is the Demolish 30% damage increase applied to Prot warrior? I'm seeing mixed info.
Some places it states prot warrior has a 30% buff on Demolish, and then on the official 11.1 notes it lists the 30% increase only under Arms->Colossus notes.

[vale escarp]

Blizzard doesnt understand If the buff Demolish for Arms they buff it for Prot, too. It's buffed for both Specs since it is the same spell.

[errant wagon]

Not sure I understand, I'm pretty sure WoW has implemented seperate spec buffs per spell in the past?

But you're saying yes, it is applied to both right now?

[jagged pier]

because they had 2 spells for different specs

they dont at the moment

they will soon

for demolish anyway

[errant wagon]

Ah.. gotcha. So do you think it's an oversight for the time being?

[jagged pier]

it is an oversight

[errant wagon]

Understood, thank you 🙂

[drifting hull]

I hope they keep the damage when they do split them. I dont think they will but I hope they do. It feels great right now

[errant wagon]

I ran collosus a ton in S1 unironically just to change it up and always loved the spell

happy to see it in play right now lol

[steel mist]

what is this vibes in the the new zone

i feel like im in a dick tracy or scarface movie

or a cheesy 30s detective movie

[jagged gust]

I got bored after 10 minutes, seemed like it was just another cave area, didn't make it past some weird kobold questline that just wouldn't end

[vague stump]

did they revert the colossus prot changes?

or did it go live?

[chilly brook]

you mean the thing we did before patch 11.1?

[chilly brook]

wdym?

[jagged pier]

the 30% wasnt ment for us

[round pendant]

I cannot imagine why anyone thinks delves are good content

[jagged pier]

i like them

better than pugging keys for the same i lvl of gear

[round pendant]

Sure but the content itself isn't good

[jagged pier]

nithers m+

[round pendant]

if you say so

I kinda like group content

Delves feel incredibly boring because they're just braindead easy

stories aren't engaging

repetitive af mechanics (candles/orbs/whatever)

[jagged pier]

and doing the same dungeons over and over again

with the same excat pulls

and mobs with the exact same mechanics each run

isnt?

[round pendant]

Technically it's repetitive

but same goes for raiding too

but each boss and each dungeon have different mechanics, they're not generally just rehashing the same mechanic for half the dungeons

[jagged pier]

when they get round to making specific spells for the specs yes

but code is 🍝

[round pendant]

also the content isn't braindead easy

[onyx pike]

What's the best source for gear (this week only)? 8 Delve vault for the HC piece?

[round pendant]

it's repetitive but you can optimise your play, or your group play if playing with friends

so there's the motivating factor for me

easy + repetitive = bad
hard/challenging + repetitive = room to get better and take bigger risks/etc

I wouldn't describe m+ or raiding as repetitive anyway

[onyx pike]

how is raiding not repetitive lol

[round pendant]

only poorly designed bosses are repetitive

generally you have a smooth progression where everyone gradually gets better til you kill the boss

it doesn't FEEL repetitive even if objectively yes it's repetitive to just wipe and go again for 100 pulls

delves feel way more repetitive imo, half of them share the same mechanics and there's zero brainpower required so you're just on rails to get the drop and there's nothing new or interesting happening

maybe repetitive is the wrong word

ig tedious works better but there's still annoying repetition involved

[onyx pike]

I progressed s1, got my CE, i was falling asleep everytime we recleared 1-6

maybe it was just the bosses that were plain boring idk

[round pendant]

yeah this raid was boring

I'm not a CE raider tho

[lucid gulch]

We are now direclty colossus or start with t-set/gear for m+ ? 🙂

[jagged pier]

u can play

what u like

[brittle owl]

can i play with u @jagged pier

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[brittle owl]

but i like u 😦

[jagged pier]

mhw comes out there will be no playing with anyone for at least a week

[burnt torrent]

I didnt play colossus at all, so if it's cranking I probably need to do that. Especially if it's not much weaker defensively

[vague stump]

do i need to do the questline and stuff on all my chars? or is it accountwide?

[sweet summit]

simp

[mighty flame]

how much dps im loosing if i put point from ravager to battering ram in colosus M+ build?

[jagged pier]

nothing because attering ram is for when u have the new tier set

[mighty flame]

aah so until i have new set its better to have ravager? after throw it away?

[jagged pier]

your choice

u can run BR now if u want

[polar storm]

chat does def stance not fuck with damage done anymore?

[jagged gust]

not for a lil while no

[jagged pier]

hasnt since beta

alpha sorry

[polar storm]

u mean like original alpha wym i coulda swore it lowered ur damage taken and done

[jagged pier]

yer in dragon flight

it stopped doing in the TWW alpha

[polar storm]

god damn ive been talking in battle stance

[brittle owl]

u jelly cuz i don't like you

[sweet summit]

yea ofc i am

[cerulean tusk]

Battle stance is a DPS increase, so did a tiny bit more dps

As long you didn't die or stress the healer, ya did nothing terribly wrong

[hazy crater]

So, I've never really used Colossus, but from what I've been reading online it seems to be eclipsing Thane in both m+ and raid

Could someone explain to me what's changed to make it so?

[jagged pier]

it always did more damage

its just closer defensivly now

not necessarily better than thane

[hazy crater]

Ah, I see

[craggy pilot]

is AOTC queen ansurek too late now?

[jagged pier]

nope

last week

to get it

[cerulean tusk]

PvP season is over, but PvE continues to give ppl chance to get curve?
Discrimination I say

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-care-idgaf-gif-5730259

[blazing condor]

Did u find any fucks

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/toxic-britney-spears-dont-you-know-that-youre-toxic-poison-gif-23192854

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-and-pam-yes-gif-21499107

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[cerulean tusk]

Mods gonna ban you one day

Xan would never stand for this

[sand condor]

Is collossus the m+ meta now?

Leys gooooo

[charred ivy]

do colossus play alot diferent or kinda same?

[round pendant]

I can't imagine trying to get curve on the last week

[round pendant]

uh basically you just press shield slam, keep sb up, keep IP up and spam revenge

[ionic fern]

Plays the same as now.

[round pendant]

oh I thought he meant in comparison to thane

[ionic fern]

Honestly,both Colossus and Thane are decent in raid and Mythic+.

Same goes for spear and roar.

It's a really unique position to be in, that both our Hero talents are in a good spot.

[mighty flame]

dont forget to clap for Rend, it does quite good chunk of dmg

[young gyro]

Im just trying to figure out how to fit Ravager in my Colossus build.

[charred ivy]

Yeah this sry 🙂 never played colossus. Dont like new things haha

[ionic fern]

If you got tier,you don't

[round pendant]

yeah so

Basically the prio becomes shield slam > revenge > tclap

[ionic fern]

Play the same build as now. If you get tier,swap Ravager for BR.

Or you can already swap over now if you want to.

[strong forum]

Like 4%

[round pendant]

The hardest part is not mashing IP as much

[young gyro]

Thats what Im currently toying with

[round pendant]

idk how it plays in season 2 though

[charred ivy]

Will into fray work in start with sb uptime? Looking at the pic of talents

[strong forum]

In raid always, in m+ for weekly keys you wanna have 15/16k++
18k+ for push keys

[charred ivy]

Kk 🙂

[graceful kite]

So real talk

how to get snap threat on colossus?

[round pendant]

press tclap

aoe taunt

[graceful kite]

it does 0 damage and threat

I clapped and healer got aggro by having a hot tick

[round pendant]

[agile elbow]

Did you somehow miss hitting all the targets with thunderclap? Lol

[graceful kite]

I was top2 dps in this run but I had threat issuews on half of aoe packs

[round pendant]

not sure

especially since they buffed threat gen

if it's at the start of pulls your group is prob just pumping too soon

[graceful kite]

I mean I shouldnt have had threat issues here

But I did

[lofty warren]

Are tier lists a psycop or is pwar lower on tier list m+?

[round pendant]

it's a psyop

[agile elbow]

Tier lists are dumb.

[vale escarp]

Even more when the Season didnt even start yet.

[cerulean tusk]

As it is a hunter, and hunter got missdirection, ye...

There is 0 way you had threat issues there. Other than in the 1st sec where the warrior pop'd all his stuff and died, while you were still gathering

[mighty flame]

with season1 dungeons being available colosus feels like cheating

[vale escarp]

In 11.1 they Skill missdirection again? Nice 2 know

[cerulean tusk]

Always bring MD, it is so good to gather things safely, for the cost of traps not giving you 10% DR

[vale escarp]

Did 1,3M Overall in Season 1. Colossus was always stronge on the damage side

[mighty flame]

yeah i played MT whole season, i feel like cave man discovering fire 😁

[jagged pier]

but 1mil is literally thane dps from S1

[mighty flame]

i did usually 700k overall

on thane, mby i just suck 😂

but still nice changes and season2 looks fun!

[young gyro]

Still not a huge fan of the change to Colossal Might losing stacks from Execute.

[mortal cypress]

Hunter probably did what I do

[fair beacon]

heyo, question: based on the changes made, which of the subclass is best to play atm? for dungeons and raids?

[ashen hearth]

if things dont change we looking at a colussus season then or am i missing info

[lusty grotto]

i gotta be honest im not sold on the d.r.i.v.e. thing

especially when the zone lags so much even on low to mid pop

[small steeple]

I think key scaling adjustments went live too apparently

[strong forum]

Cuz we're real bad at gathering

[small steeple]

Like a friend said his +10 he did was only at like 80 something scaling instead of the 100 something it should have been

[strong forum]

Just check a log

If mobs have the same hp in a +10 as last week

But yeah there's a reasonable chance that keys are already with the reduced scaling, and the +12 affix being nerfed/gone or w/e it got changed to

[small steeple]

I’ll check the 12s I did last night and see

Actually @strong forum can I send you the log of the 12 SV I did last night? There was a spot where I was out of cds and rage completely so I just died. I’m sure I misplayed something

[strong forum]

Lemme guess

Last boss room

With the perma casters

[small steeple]

I did die against last boss for same reason but it was the pack in the room with the anvil. The forge hands that patrol with the caster group

[strong forum]

Yeah

You need to reset stacks there

By kiting

The mobs apply dmg taken increase on you

Which stacks, rapidly

Need to invest heavy cds and/or kite when stacks are high

[mighty flame]

were you able to check? do old keys this week have new scaling applied?

[small steeple]

I’ll check it when I get a chance. See how many stacks I had

And check scaling then too

My log should be public. I’m Badkad -Illidan (US)

[charred ivy]

Idk how other ppl do on this mobs but i usually make sure i have spear and step away 🙂

[woven radish]

That's been the worst part of my experience so far, that zone is SO laggy

[lusty grotto]

yeah its been ridiculous

[hot orbit]

In your opinion.. which is the best addon or comp addon/WA for tanking? The one that makes it clearer and easier to understand what s going on... Dbm? BigW? One of the 2 with some WAs ?

[earnest nymph]

it's really going to be whatever works best for you, but for me personally I do BigWigs + the Causes dungeon WAs

the Causes WAs tie into DBM/BW timers

[lusty grotto]

littlewigs*

bigwigs is for raids

littlewigs is for dungeons

similar to dbm + dbm dungeons

either is fine, i personally use Bigwigs

[rancid tiger]

Bw is a bit better

Less intrusive in gen works.bettet with wa's

[twin hill]

is it normal for colossus to drop ignore pain alot? I feel like I dont have enough rage to keep it up, spending most of it on shield block and revenge

[lofty warren]

Rage starved is what blizz wants for you

Suffer!

[small steeple]

lmao I put wrong server he, actually stormrage

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QrjMmKTpth8G9LYV?fight=last&type=summary

[lusty grotto]

pretty normal

but not as much as s1

with revenge refunds etc

rage management as colossus has always been a bit harder than thane

just gotta use rage wisely

[small steeple]

ok so in my 12, there was 8.06b damage done, in a random one from a week ago, thre was 9.98b damage done

[lusty grotto]

tracking IP is worth it as colossus whereas it isnt with thane

[twin hill]

thanks for the input, im thinking about how id live keys as colossus, since season 1 was pretty much all ignore pain spam on thane

[lusty grotto]

you will have rng walls

and UI + DA

[twin hill]

yeah true and immovable object

[lusty grotto]

so 2 walls + 1 mini wall

[small steeple]

and all the shield charges to help with sb

[lusty grotto]

your defensiveness as colossus will be hard carried by all the walls

[twin hill]

could you spell that out for me?

[lusty grotto]

sorry not UI lol

IO

[twin hill]

😄

[lusty grotto]

i havent had my coffee yet

[toxic pewter]

ngl rage feels good to me on colossus

[lusty grotto]

yeah its a big diff from s1

i felt it too

[toxic pewter]

not like best of all time but its pretty good

[small steeple]

don't know if this is the way to check if enemy health pools were the same. Could have just pulled more trash ?

[hot orbit]

In some videos (dom t remember whose), i heard a voice that say "Frontal" or "Defensive" or "Dodge" depending of the mechanic. Is it Bw?

[rustic canopy]

I checked logs from a 12 I did earlier in the season and after the patch, for example Avanox in a 12 went from 467m to 364m hp

[lusty grotto]

BW can do it but also causese

with dungeon WAs

[small steeple]

generally a TTS addon is also needed for that sort of thing

I think?

[lusty grotto]

nah

you can set it manually with littlewigs

[drowsy narwhal]

i use Quaziis profile and he uses those sounds

[hot orbit]

Bw profile?

[lusty grotto]

https://wago.io/twwdungeons

causese

always search causese

thats it

[small steeple]

I've noted there are a couple of them M+ season wa suites now. Back in the day there used to only be the one. Is that one Causes?

[lusty grotto]

if you dont want to install the Causese auras with the share media just look up the ability in littlewigs and add a frontal sound

same with dbm-dungeons

[lusty grotto]

yes, for the most part

[drowsy narwhal]

not using it, i think it comes from the weakaura of his, or maybe its dbm, not sure

[lusty grotto]

streamers etc mostly edit it a little bit in some cases but its used as base

[lusty grotto]

its causese

also causese always has raid WAs

https://wago.io/p/Causese

[drowsy narwhal]

i dont use causese WAs

[lusty grotto]

well quazii does

[drowsy narwhal]

isnt causese just the media files for audio

[lusty grotto]

like i mentioned he uses it as base

[drowsy narwhal]

you still need sth for it to use it, no?

[lusty grotto]

sth?

[drowsy narwhal]

like weakauras or dbm or sth to call that effect

[lusty grotto]

what is sth

oh

sth = something?

[drowsy narwhal]

yes

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/NwOmaRT.png

kyveza funny

[lusty grotto]

specifically for the audio? yeah you need either an aura or bigwigs/dbm

or both

[drowsy narwhal]

yeah, so you need to install a "command giver" to use causese audio pack, at least thats what i understand how it works

[strong forum]

yea

[lusty grotto]

pretty much, the shared media thing is just audio files

[small steeple]

Can you check my death against the forgehands and then against the last boss here?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QrjMmKTpth8G9LYV?fight=last&type=damage-done

[drowsy narwhal]

can i have your build? which one are u using? i looked at wowhead at your guide and you list multiple ones, please of course

[strong forum]

its colossus execute build

from wowhead

[drowsy narwhal]

thank you very much

whats the dmg difference (vaguely) between thane and collosus? like 200k? 300k? or more?

i know it depends on the dungeons but like a ball park?

[strong forum]

50k?

maybe less

[small steeple]

you talking the punish builds yeah?

[strong forum]

execute

[small steeple]

Oh are you comparing col execute to thane executre? ok

[drowsy narwhal]

so if i m a defensive minded person myself, i should stick to thane then, since its more "safe", because 50k dmg difference is basically nothing, at least in my level, no?

[lusty grotto]

for ST

for aoe its a huge difference between the 2

[small steeple]

go brr

[drowsy narwhal]

i m talking about mythic mostly or raid

so its not 50k?

[lusty grotto]

for ST it's around that

[strong forum]

raid

[drowsy narwhal]

so for raid, and for mythic?

[strong forum]

is 50k

[lusty grotto]

for AOE its closer to around 500k difference

[drowsy narwhal]

wow thats a lot

[round pendant]

I don't like dbm

Tries to play the game for you

😔

[small steeple]

TAUNT

[round pendant]

with bigwigs I just have the bars

nothing else

[drowsy narwhal]

the waterfall bars?

[round pendant]

nah normal boss timers

[drowsy narwhal]

idk, i tested both and dbm feels more snappier to me for some reason but all the pros use bigwigs i think

[round pendant]

I wanna know if there's a better timers addon though

with customisable colours per ability and sound effects

[lusty grotto]

not really

its those 2

[round pendant]

It's kinda annoying that all my bars are the same colour and something that's pretty minor is right next to something major

especially when I haven't memorised the names of the abilities yet

took me ages to learn which ability was the circles on first boss of dawnbreaker for example

[round pendant]

[hot orbit]

Ty all

[lusty grotto]

i mean i hope you do have causese installed

[round pendant]

nope

[lusty grotto]

cause the WA has some bars as well

[round pendant]

my issue with those WA packs are it bloats up wa and makes my loading times longer

I try to keep thinks kinda minimal

[lusty grotto]

yeah i get that

[strong forum]

new update of my prot WA pack is out btw

[lusty grotto]

nice

i personally dont have issues with the bloat if i just purge between seasons

[round pendant]

What are the changes anyway

[strong forum]

outburst and avatar

[round pendant]

oh right

fuck sake

Is outburst tracking simple now or does it require a script still

[strong forum]

no longer script

[round pendant]

thank the lord

[pallid quiver]

oh, how does it track now

I forgot how it was on ptr already

[strong forum]

%

[earnest nymph]

if you go to the causes WA pack it gives you instructions on how to set up BW with it

turning off BW audio channels and whatnot, all sounds come from the Causes WAs with that setup

and yes as Nim mentioned, when I say BW, I'm including littlewigs in that even though it's a separate addon (BW is required for LW to function)

[charred ivy]

Whats this? I only use like little wigs and spell reflect wa

[earnest nymph]

Causes (WA developer) produces packs for raid/dungeons each season

as well as a sound addon and now the CausesDB addon (which is required for their WAs to function now)

[outer solstice]

col is best

[charred ivy]

Oh. Its good stuff?

[earnest nymph]

to each their own, but I find success with it

they're very popular

[earnest nymph]

col?

[outer solstice]

colossus ^^

[charred ivy]

Maybe intry it out if it can simplify things . Sometimes i think maybe i use too little things compared to many others xD

But idk what i would use that could be nice tool

[earnest nymph]

BW + causes is pretty non-intrusive imo

[lusty grotto]

Yeah abhmonk summed it up nicely

[drowsy narwhal]

say a tank buster is dealing 60% dmg of my HP as Mountain Thane, vaguely how much would that translate into the Colossus builds (offensive builds)?

i am a mythic 7-10 player (since i am a new wow player), and i think i need more "breathing room" for mistakes

[drifting hull]

AFAIK, assuming you have the same levels of IP and SB/SW rolling? Less overall damage to your health bar. Col just struggles more with maintaining high defenses over a longer period.

[drowsy narwhal]

so i am trying to gauge the differences between thane and col for that

[drifting hull]

I would run thane for you. It is more forgiving. You have access to more rage generation, not a lot, but more, so it is more forgiving. You also get better snap threat with lightning blasts which can be helpful

[drowsy narwhal]

yeah, thats also my idea, but 500k dmg difference is a lot, finishing enemies quicker might negate that problem

[strong forum]

cant quantify tanking like that

theres way more factors than that

[drowsy narwhal]

i know, ofc, but i m trying to hold onto something to estimate it

like if the "breathing room" thane provides is worth the loss of dmg

[lusty grotto]

dont overvalue IP that much for defensiveness

the amount of walls with s2 tier will greatly outpace it defensive-wise

[drifting hull]

honestly, try both. If one feels better for you, run it. Its much harder for us to theory our way to an answer for you rather than just running a couple dungeons on both and seeing what you like.

[lusty grotto]

even if tier is random, you have more than enough wall availability with the recommended talents

[drifting hull]

This too. Obviously, cant test this yet, but the SW and SC that the tier sets provide will help out both classes immensely

[drowsy narwhal]

well, thanks for the try though, much appreciated, just theory crafting a bit and its nice to have experienced good players sharing their opinions

[lusty grotto]

just remember an IP is not as strong as wall

IP gets damage checked first, unless im misremembering

[mighty valley]

there are some defensive upsides to colossus, too - having IO means getting a little shield wall on the pull, which is usually the most dangerous few seconds of the fight

[lusty grotto]

that being said, yes colossus has a higher skill ceiling

[drowsy narwhal]

yeah, agreed, especially like the first pull on stonevault for example is a big problem

[lusty grotto]

hmm

i dont think that pull is an issue

[drowsy narwhal]

the whole hall with the magic dmg? idk, i struggled with it

especially when i m also pulling the ones outside the door

[drifting hull]

If you are popping Spell block, the hall is should be dead or almost dead before the duration runs out

[strong forum]

that is the hardest pull, aside from 1st pull NW in s1 dungeon pool

[drowsy narwhal]

yeah, like since we dont have rage in first pull, not having shield block was difficult, but ofc to compensate for that we popped defensives first

otherwise mega dead 😄

my biggest complaint about tanking is the mobility we have, or precisely dont have

it feels too slow to gather mobs

[small steeple]

@strong forum is there anything special you need to do to maintain Ashen Jug for execute col build? Like I know arms you kinda have to hold the sudden death procs some to keep it up

[drifting hull]

Thats two different things in my mind.

[strong forum]

You do the same

[drifting hull]

Warr mobility is fantstic, if you are moving towards enemies. if you arent, its still not bad, but just not as good. Leap puts in work.

[vague stump]

how long does the campaign takes? it seems like you need to do it on all chars?!

[drowsy narwhal]

yeah but you just have 1 leap and 2 charges ofc, but still, having to use heroic throw or storm bolts feells miserable

[drifting hull]

Keeping mobs interrputed though? Yeah, thats not something Warriors do exceptionaly well, and is a lot of the reason that they arent considered meta for top tier keys.

[small steeple]

Can you hold 2 charges of sudden death like arms?

[strong forum]

Yrs

But you don't wanna be on 2 stacks

If you get 2,you send 1 ASAP to not miss out on potentially more SD procs

And when Jugg or SD is about to fall off, you send 1 aswell

[small steeple]

Well yeah exactly, just didnt want to miss out by holding the one stack too long

[drifting hull]

well, thats kinda just tanking in a nutshell. If it helps persuade you, col buffs shockwave i guess.

[drowsy narwhal]

but from streamers i ve seen, prot paladin can pull like groups of mobs easily like hitting bunch of them in one sway

[drifting hull]

but ranged snap threat tools like heroic throw are going to be a part of tanking for every class. I imagine you are coming from prot pally, where avenger's shield is a big button

yeah

I thought so

[drowsy narwhal]

prot warr is my first char, never played anything else

[nimble plover]

What must/should do's are there now except for campaign? Any item/currency/quest u should focus on?

[neon elk]

At what targets i prefer revenge over exe ? 3+?

[earnest nymph]

I take back what I said yesterday

colossus feels fine/fun today

idk what changed (probably my ineptitude)

[drifting hull]

The way prot warrior did that last season was just charging/leaping in, and Thunder Blast/Clap-ing. Its a different play style.

[drowsy narwhal]

yeah, but it was not enough if you wanted to pull more groups, then you are slow as hell 😄

[drifting hull]

Prot pally is great for mob control like that because of avenger's shield/divine toll. THey can interrupt everything and its mother, and its part of what makes them strong

[drowsy narwhal]

yeah, but your words swayed me to play col now, the 1st pull advantage might be handy and underrated, i ll see how it goes

[drifting hull]

best of luck

[drowsy narwhal]

thank you very much for the input

[strong forum]

Ye

[neon elk]

Ty man

[fast pelican]

Howdy y’all- I’m new to this Discord and have been reading. I didn’t test on the PTR, but for those that did, how long did it take you to get used to the less ADHD/APM version that’s live now?

[drowsy narwhal]

i cant say for myself but from what i ve read it doesnt feel that much different other than pressing IP less and revenge more?

rotation seems to be the same and apm also minus IP spam

for COL, will you guys go haste/crit build or haste/vers? or even crit/haste?

[neon elk]

Haste to some point then whatever sims better but most like crit/vers

[drowsy narwhal]

well sims favor dmg output, crit would always outshine vers, no?

but since col is lacking def a bit, maybe vers to compensate for it?

but haste is nr.1 again, yeah?

[neon elk]

I dont think u will or should stack vers to compensate for anything , also haste is good and nice but after certain rating shouldnt it be more beneficial to go other stats ? And at that point it might be crit/vers

[hot orbit]

i ve just logged... why don t see ElvUI action bars even are enabled ?? XD

[jagged pier]

tankiness comes from play not stats

u can live with your highest simming stats

no amount of vers u can get too will give u any breathing room in reality

if it makes u feel better and therefore plays better that cant be understated

[tribal wharf]

incorrect

[drowsy narwhal]

yeah but nobody plays perfect, more def helps to compensate for your mistakes

[tribal wharf]

u need at least 40% vers to survive keys

[jagged pier]

but vers doesnt do that for u

u can get to what 20% maybe

thats 10% DR that doesnt give u any breathing room

[strong forum]

Update it

[drowsy narwhal]

i thought it helps wit healing and taking less dmg?

[tribal wharf]

a good defense is a strong offense or something

[jagged pier]

all stats help u take less damage

[strong forum]

Our healing doesn't benefit from vers

[tribal wharf]

the better you can hit your buttons and deal more damage, while not taking damage your self, the faster the boss dies, the more efficient it is

[drowsy narwhal]

yeah, for the perfect player, thats obviously true

[ancient reef]

if i run some m+ for kicks will i get valorstones

[jagged pier]

i literally lived queen debuff because of crit parries

[tribal wharf]

having 40% versa is like putting on a bomb suit and then walking down a hallway will all kinds of explosions and then you wonder why you died anyways, you were protected! you shouldnt have got hurt!

[jagged pier]

vers wouldnt of saved me

at all

and thats luck in instand of 1 mob if u go into keys, parry becomes guarenteed and reduces far more damage over a key

because you IP is no longer reducing the melee hits

[drowsy narwhal]

so why were all guides suggesting vers then, just trying to understand

[jagged pier]

and working more on bleeds and magic

[strong forum]

They don't tho

[drowsy narwhal]

also according to archon the majority of ppl had vers as 2nd

[cerulean tusk]

Vers is neat vs magic dam and DoTs. Also the only stat that helps you if you stand with your back turned.
Mastery makes you take less damage through critblock
Crit makes you take less dam from parry
Haste lets you do things faster

Vers is the most noobfriendly stat, but not exceptionally valuable as Warrior. Just face the enemy and watch Master/Crit do the work while your haste feeds your output

[hot orbit]

updated. but still no action bars

[strong forum]

But you can press your buttons yes?

Cuz I can

Didn't even notice if my bars are active or not cuz I hide them anyway

[jagged pier]

i dunno my bartender bars werent enabled but they sent an update which fixed it

check addons again id say

[chilly brook]

I’m not a perfect player at all, but pressing your buttons in a reasonably correct manner doesn’t require you to be

[chilly brook]

Are you using bartender?

[hot orbit]

no. only ElvUI

[strong forum]

Yeah, just because it's popular doesn't mean its objectively correct 😉

[jagged pier]

☝️

[chilly brook]

Okay and?

[drowsy narwhal]

yeah, true, just thought it was what ppl were using, it seems not

[jagged pier]

in before 'if the top ppl run it, it must be correct'

[strong forum]

These days people run kinda whatever

As long as you have haste

You're good

The other stats are just an afterthought

Vers has been massively overvalued by people in the past

[drowsy narwhal]

i m not trying to be polarizing, but my statements have a basis, i m not speaking out of my ass, but it seems i shouldnt have gone with vers then, lessson learned

[chilly brook]

I blame BFA still

[jagged pier]

but your take aggrated data at face value

[strong forum]

People are slowly warming up to the idea that maybe 1 stat alone isn't all it's said to be

Except haste in our case*

[drowsy narwhal]

no, several guides were also suggesting vers over crit

[jagged pier]

which guides?

because the ones we recommend in here dont

[drowsy narwhal]

if they havent updated it, i can link them in 10 minutes

[neon elk]

Curious if its good idea to chase haste even after like 20k rating and playing itf . Or is it just sim stuff at that point ?

[chilly brook]

There’s no real “cap” you continue to gain value well past DR on stats from haste. Whether or not it’s worth it over starting to get other stats is another question tho

[strong forum]

Just sim at that point

[drowsy narwhal]

archon

wowvalor

[chilly brook]

Archon isn’t a guide though iirc

Just an aggregation of what people run

[strong forum]

Archon is quite literally not a guide

[chilly brook]

Idk what wow valor is

[drowsy narwhal]

the guides have updated their stuff, i cant see for patch 10

[tribal wharf]

#removeversa

[chilly brook]

I do think vers is a bad stat game balance wise

[tribal wharf]

versa should also be mastery i figure

[chilly brook]

Bring back multi strike amirite?

[tribal wharf]

i mean, sure i guess maybe

leech