the fights were just lame imo
#protection
remote anchor
love games that get good after 20hours 
jagged pier
i mena wow isnt good for the first like 100 hours
strong forum
There's 200-300hrs of content
You played like what
The solo village quests?
Which are quite literally just made to show you the ropes
You then got the hub quests
Low rank, high rank and master rank
Takes about 60hrs to get to master rank
If you aren't speed running it
remote anchor
guess i got filtered out
strong forum
Ye
remote anchor
i quit after the tower defense thing
strong forum
This ain't dark souls where bosses die in 2min and you're only supposed to defeat them once
The rampages were an acquired taste
In low rank they sucked
High rank were alright
And stopped existing in MR cuz lotta people didn't like em
idle copper
I take it there's little point in running m+ this week for next week's vault?
idle copper
Cool, so not worth it in my case then, thank you
mint knot
How strong are arms and fury baseline once patch goes live?
Eg if they do 1.5m st dps today, how much it shoots up to tomorrow?
2m?
Lol
jagged pier
how would we know this is #protection channel
mellow heath
Icyveins has prot warrior in s tier for 11.1 did something change recently? I thought warrior wasnt looking so good
jagged pier
literally nothing has changed
ppl that make tier lists suddenly noticed we had 2 hero trees
and one of them does damage
dark barn
The 30% demolish buff was the game changer
hardy snow
I wouldn't trust a guide from someone, who doesnt know the spec 
jagged pier
wasnt intended for us anyway
so dont get excited
bliz also forgot we have a second hero tree
as all the original changes were based on thane to begin with
dark barn
Blizz will nerf pwar damage... they always ruin the fun
hardy snow
It will be such a mess if Blizz decides to do something about freshly discovered 2nd hero tree during the season
jagged pier
look its easy just make demolish buff only effect arms
done
but that will take time, because code is spaget
and they need to make a new demolish spell for prot
dark barn
Its probably what they will fix (was a unintentional buff bla bla)
hardy snow
and they need to make a new demolish spell for prot
that's why Im afraid of their "solution", as I guess they will come with idea of something that can be done immediately by some -X% nerf
hot orbit
I wouldn't trust a guide from someone, who doesnt know the spec <a:hmmNod:940376...
do you have anyone to recommend?
lofty warren
Looks like pwar didn't get buffs to save it from bottom tier? 
hardy snow
do you have anyone to recommend?
I would recommend guides on wowhead or icy-veins.
hot orbit
I would recommend guides on wowhead or icy-veins.
Ok man. Ty. I just want to main pwar, coming from years of demo warlock 😆 so any advice and guide are welcome. I ve played pwar on the end of S1 but only in low low keys.
sharp gale
I would 100% suggest to read wowhead guides or icy-veins, how I use them is I get the basic info for the spec I’m learning (first I take talents and I READ the author comments, I READ the rotation) and I start practice in keys and I’ll go back on the guide if I need more
sharp gale
I wouldn’t be able to guess the rotation, I don’t read talents
sharp gale
God cat
And I don’t read talents : i don’t read them at all before I did few keys (i got the info if I kinda like the spec im trying)
raw parcel
Okay, patch is settled, haven't been keeping up super close to the many changes... how we holding up, as prot warriors? WoWhead's A Tier ranking accurate?
hot orbit
more than not understanding the class, I'm afraid I don't understand the mechanics and tactics for dungeons fast enough. In S1 I saw many tanks get flamed (even in M2) because they did something wrong.
hardy snow
more than not understanding the class, I'm afraid I don't understand the mechani...
thats just the issue of playing with other people, its best to play with guildies or something 
ionic fern
Okay, patch is settled, haven't been keeping up super close to the many changes....
We are definitely strong and holding up.
raw parcel
Awesome, thank you! It's my favorite spec, glad to hear it.
hot orbit
thats just the issue of playing with other people, its best to play with guildie...
OC. I was saying in cases where there are no guild members online
sharp gale
more than not understanding the class, I'm afraid I don't understand the mechani...
It comes with experience maybe, when I’m in a pug season (a season where I start as pug), basically I do keys until it fails and when it fails the next time I stop the group before the moment and explain what to do
For the first couple weeks it might help (really as tank it’s the first couple days, you get ahead in Rio to play with the people ahead of Rio)
raw parcel
more than not understanding the class, I'm afraid I don't understand the mechani...
Learning dungeons takes time, and even if you know a dungeon mistakes will happen. (I got patty caked more than I should have even when I had that place on farm).
If you're with pugs, just look at them as semi-defective robots there to help you get to the end of the dungeon, and sometimes these semi-defective robots spout profanity. You're a tank, if the group breaks up, there's always more semi-defective robots to replace them with.
sharp gale
And for making up routes day 1, it is just from experience (you mostly need a lot more healer mech knowledge)
raw parcel
Difficulty wise, how does this coming season compare to season 1? Season 1 was a bit rough, not gonna lie. :x
sharp gale
I didn’t look, I don’t usually compare difficulty patch to patch since the past is dead forever
raw parcel
o.o Well damn, that's dark.
The golden age of Season 3 Dragonflight still lives. In my heart.
sharp gale
But that golden age is a combination of dungeon pool, tuning of classes, tier sets etc, and your IRL situation at the time
So a unique combination
raw parcel
BRH is my all time favorite dungeon, I think. Though almost all Legion dungeons were bangers.
sharp gale
I don’t remember season 3 I didn’t play DF a lot (just the curve in pug weeks)
Idk what were the dungeons
sharp gale
Yeah it was kinda cool dungeon pool (I’m not huge fan of atal bc I’m biased with bfa, I hated the mob tp bug use)
The snaps
raw parcel
My favorites for the season were Waycrest Manor and Black Rook Hold, also liked Galakrond's Fall.
sharp gale
Thrones of tides is bad but you can’t have a pool with only good ones
raw parcel
I mean, you could, if Blizzard wasn't allergic to fun. 
sharp gale
Nop there will always be a bad one, because it is relative to others
Always be a last
raw parcel
I'd love to see a "greatest hits" season someday for the last season of an expansion, where it's purely beloved dungeons.
There'll always be a worst one, but some seasons are still better groups than others. It'd be pretty rad if somehow Freehold was the "worst" dungeon of a season. That'd have to be a pretty awesome season.
sharp gale
Yes but a season is a unique combination, so you could explain the good season just bc of the tuning fitting YOUR personal experience in THESE dungeons
You could have a pool with only best dungeons and just with tuning of everything else be bad
raw parcel
That's part of it, but I do think some dungeons are just fun. Freehold is just a fun dungeon, I loved catching the pig, I didn't love it because it was easy. Shadowmoon Burial Ground was basically free, but I don't really like the design of the place, so it isn't just about tuning.
hardy snow
I liked SBG for vault
tribal wharf
i still remember people tried to calle SBG SMBG and then i saw SMB super mario bros and i got a little triggered
small steeple
The snaps
I loved the snaps so much. It added so much to tank knowledge and even skill expression to some degree
tribal wharf
that and its 3 bosses, and the only thing that remotely hurts us in there is shadow claw or something, entire rest of the dungeon is hold W skill issue fest
maybe its 4, but its extremely simple and short
is what i mean, hardly any affix there was scary
the one double pull of the death casters before the void boy boss
only hard thing in there,
the snake boss is impossible to fail at, first boss is borderline impossible to fail at
2 and 4 do from what i remember very easy attack patterns to avoid
sharp gale
I liked SBG for vault <a:hmmNod:940376932560822372>
me too, but even if it was easy, i know it is so bad as a dungeon
if you compare to the vault fill easier dungeons from other seasons
tribal wharf
what i think they should do is add in before a key if your are on mythic and the dungeon is in rotation and someone in party has an appropriate key for it there is a vendor that pops up at the very start and its like, oh, i can buy health and mana and stealth potions
but they are like, the weaker versions maybe
cuz i recall there was one affix set you had to stealth past the first blueberry basically very start
sharp gale
what i think they should do is add in before a key if your are on mythic and the...
i got the feature
tribal wharf
you cant mount inside reeeeeee
but what im saying really is if blizzard is designing these dungeons that some weeks you might want to invis
it should be easily remindable, noticable, this type of thing
sharp gale
there is no more "some weeks"
tribal wharf
honestly the bad bad affixes are total nothings if you have a party of 5 voice chatters
sharp gale
but i get for the mana food it is true that it's painful
tribal wharf
oh necrotic, paladins gunna bop you, plz remove it mr yogi tank
okay make sure to taunt and clap for aggro again
or like, ah shit i think the rogue is gunna die, never mind, i freedomed him, from the paladin
im not sure if mages mass invisibility came DF or TWW, but it seemed like they were going to use that change to push more stealth an skip routes in keys
pastel sleet
What spec changes should i expect going from yesterday to tonight?
topaz latch
What spec changes should i expect going from yesterday to tonight?
probably a lot less durability but a lot more damage. less rage but more irl rage.
lyric fern
What spec changes should i expect going from yesterday to tonight?
Colossus about to get really juicy
Big dam
pastel sleet
Heard
cerulean tusk
Demo gonna hit giga, hopefully they leave it be and nerf revenge if tuning must be done
pastel sleet
Ive always preferred thunderlord.
Will it be super bad in s2?
jagged pier
no
pastel sleet
Awesome
ruby musk
Checked out the new bis list and saw we were using the helm over chest. Both have mastery but the chest has haste over crit. Wouldn't we want the chest then?
jagged pier
because we want crit with tier sset and we can have a better stated chest from m+ i would presume
tawdry dirge
heya in the current guide on wow head there is no ravanger instead both side nodes on shieldcharge why is that?
jagged pier
tier set
earnest nymph
oh necrotic, paladins gunna bop you, plz remove it mr yogi tank
huh?
cerulean tusk
Back in the day, you used BoP to reset the affix necrotic, a stacking DoT that reduced healing taken and did dam.
BoP removed it, and you had cancelaura on all buttons to remove BoP to regain the threat lost
earnest nymph
I know
cerulean tusk
Then why huh
earnest nymph
that just doesn't exist anymore, so I wasn't sure what they were talking about
topaz latch
heya in the current guide on wow head there is no ravanger instead both side no...
tier interaction with shield charge is too good.
earnest nymph
from the 'some weeks' thing and mentioning necrotic bop it just seemed like they hadn't logged into in the game in an expansion or so
cerulean tusk
Yogi do be like that. Just be glad he ain't talking about DooM mid sentence
jagged pier
from the 'some weeks' thing and mentioning necrotic bop it just seemed like they...
welcome to yogi
remote anchor
pretty sure i havent heard 1 sane sentence from the deathray guy
earnest nymph
lmao okay, thank you for the clarification
small steeple
So we want the off tier piece in s2 to be the chest?
round pendant
cerulean tusk
Depends on what you get, Bad. But ye, chest be on the off on the BiS theoretical list
topaz latch
while learning the new dungeons, what would me the most disposable talent to remove for BSV?
strong forum
ravager
topaz latch
yeah i put that somewhere else
oh this is not my tree lol
hold on. everything changed this morning lolol
topaz latch
yeah, i undid my tree to go through and learn the new talent stuff. i have no memory of this place
strong forum
if you click through these builds
you can find an array of talent builds suggested by me
if you are scared of the new dungeons and will make mistakes, you can play this build
topaz latch
i hate spear and love bitter immunity. your MT M+ is roughly the build ill be using
earnest nymph
is colossus notably better in m+ now or just competitive?
supple meadow
Is there a build that plays the game for me?
play bm hunter
topaz latch
also, does this discord want typo reports ?
dusky canopy
The guide doesn’t include a tier list
topaz latch
i found a few. very smol errors.
dusky canopy
SMH
supple meadow
I thought I found something but I realized I was dumb
strong forum
i have no shame in admitting mistakes so send it all
topaz latch
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/mountain-thane/DAOAUVBRFQ...
why take the MT shield if no intervene
strong forum
i removed intervene because this because i assume the person will not actively or properly use intervene if they remove a point in the 3rd gate to pick up bitter immunity
topaz latch
veteran vitality "youz"
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/abilities-talents-pve-tank
strong forum
youz kind no like?
topaz latch
i removed intervene because this because i assume the person will not actively o...
yes but storm shield over storm bolts if no intervene?
topaz latch
youz kind no like?
me luv youz. luv zug. 'ate mages.
strong forum
due to 10sec increased CD of stormbolt
topaz latch
actively detrimental
thank you for your infinite wisdom
truly though. i have perma warr brain. and correct. i do not use intervene properly.
strong forum
supple meadow
i removed intervene because this because i assume the person will not actively o...
I try to intervene when I lose aggro on a mob
topaz latch
i am also not noble.
strong forum
when i play thane i actively intervene on CD whenever magic dmg goes onto party member, it doesnt do much but yeh
topaz latch
very smol lack of space after intimidating shout.
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/abilities-talents-pve-tank
strong forum
acquired skill from past expansions
topaz latch
acquired skill from past expansions
this is what keeps me from being a good player and good warrior.
i do not acquire skills from the past.
strong forum
very smol lack of space after intimidating shout.
https://www.wowhead.com/guide...
fixed both typos
supple meadow
So what's the rotation now we're not spamming ip
strong forum
rotation is the same
dusky canopy
Still the same shit you just don’t blindly spam ip
strong forum
you just have to do step 13 a bunch more
topaz latch
fixed both typos
actually, should i be sending these in general chat? i feel like im being aggressive but i promise im not lol.
strong forum
if youre ~640ilvl
it does 1.2mil as thane
and 1.5mil as colossus
previously did 900k as thane
supple meadow
interesting
strong forum
and 1.1mil as colossus
supple meadow
why so much more on col?
strong forum
colossus gets 20% more
supple meadow
Ahhh
supple meadow
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/mountain-thane/DAOAUVBRFQ...
Is this build only for m+?
I forgot to ask
That's what I'll mainly be doing with my tank
topaz latch
i just want to let you know, the only reason im getting deep into the details of your guide, is that its been like a bible and key saver for me.
strong forum
is colossus notably better in m+ now or just competitive?
it does more dam
thane is minimally tankier
but colossus does significantly more damage
earnest nymph
ty
strong forum
Is this build only for m+?
is specifically for Ironkid m+
supple meadow
oh yeah I read the shit outta your guide lol
I have to read it like every time I forget my rotation
which is a lot cause I have short term memory loss 💀
supple meadow
hits the random button
strong forum
time to build muscle memory
and just 
ive got muscle memory of specs i didnt play in like 6 years
when i login i just press a button and then realise what ability should be there
jagged pier
strong forum
supple meadow
when I play my vulpera tank I always have what does the fox say playing in the background
on a loop
jagged pier
topaz latch
speaking of custom tailored builds, thank you Nome for building my build lol.
cerulean burrow
so until i get 4set i can just take the point out of battering ram and put it into ravager and not change anything else and we should be chilling?
strong forum
ye
cerulean burrow
bet
topaz latch
also, if anyone knows, is Defender's Aegis the go to now, instead if Imp Wall?
strong forum
even with 4pc you can still stick with ravager
imp wall got nerfed
baseline SW cd got reduced to 3min
so with DA
its 2min base CD with 2 charges
strong forum
which makes imp wall, which no longer grants extra rage gen, obsolete
imp wall used to increase rage gen of SS by 25%
now its just the CDR, killing the talent
topaz latch
ah right, no more extra rage. god, i really, and i mean really loved, the high octane playstayle of former prot warr.
strong forum
thane is still quite fast
topaz latch
mouse wheel keybind go brrrrr
topaz latch
thane is still quite fast
oh no sht?
thats really good news.
right when i was about to give colossus a try for the first time, thunder dwarf brings me right back.
topaz latch
yeah i wanna see a multimillion hit on a dungeon boss at least once. but im addicted to playing dance dance revolution on my mmo mouse.
unborn island
idle copper
thane is still quite fast
Is there a DPS penalty for Thane?
cerulean burrow
yeah been trying colossus out yesterday in a 10 siege just dicking around and the dk dps i was with i was competing in dmg with at points lmao
its kinda fun
strong forum
fwiw, yes as colossus with IO + DA + tierset we have 30% uptime on SW
topaz latch
thane just felt more durable, but im not skilled enough to put money on declarations like that.
strong forum
thane is more durable, especially in magic heavy dungeons
that is a fact
but colossus has closed the gap significantly more in s2
topaz latch
you guys heard it from the man first.
god, i hate magic everywhere. i want my armor to put in its gold's worth.
cerulean tusk
So about 60g worth a piece?
topaz latch
So about 60g worth a piece?
yeah. but against magic its near 0
cerulean tusk
Well, 60g wont do much in this echonomy
wont even pay for one repair round
I would argue, your armor do in fact put in its gold's worth
more so, even
idle copper
Torn atm, geared a DH veng up before Xmas because I wanted a more engaging DPS spec.
Enjoying DHV but Pwarr is a lot more forgiving when I get intermittent lag
cerulean tusk
Oh, if you struggle a bit with lag, warrior is the go
topaz latch
i tried out and leveled a VDH and geared up, ran through all the dungeons. so fun, visually pretty. then went back to pwarr
idle copper
I do really enjoy my Pwarr but find the DPS specs a bit meh
topaz latch
i accidentally fell in love with Fury, when trying out Havoc.
supple meadow
there's nothing like bonk
topaz latch
even though the secondaries dont quite line up for us in offspec fury, it just felt, right.
simple atlas
@strong forum Colossus or thane for less keybinds? Was playing thane in s1 but havent touched colossus at all ❤️
tribal wharf
Yogi do be like that. Just be glad he ain't talking about DooM mid sentence
eh, it shares alot of mechanics i know
strong forum
thane has 1 less keybind than colossus!
tribal wharf
required line of sight
supple meadow
Lol
simple atlas
Colossus it is, thank you 🙂
supple meadow
Iove how all three of those messages were edited for clarification
tribal wharf
if you guys are talking about like say a raid, in retail, or even in old wow, i dont know it, or like, the new dungeon that is the candle and the cart ride and the darkness, i dont know that either, pvp, not really
but there is parts of the game wow i do know about
SBG is one of those, i ran it, i want to say realistically like 150 times that season
if i did raiding, i would talk all the time about raiding, but if you view my comment history
very few of it is about raids
or its, i died in raid wtf did i do wrong
tribal wharf
i tried to get the trinket for the mount about 100 times in a week on paladin LFD
and then i quit
supple meadow
It's cinderbrew I hate
tribal wharf
cinderbrew is,.............. castlevania...... doom..... ghosts and goblins, contra, dark souls
its hard as hell, but i would want to sit through it and go through that painful experience
fading forge
So I played MT all last season and didnt touch Colossus once. Can I just slam MT again this season or is Col. that good now?
tribal wharf
my biggest fear of cinder brew is
we get there and its some rediculous key lvl like a 13 14 i dunno spitballing, and then its the very first pull and they go "................. why didnt you pull the entire (bar) room, thats what they did in TGP/MDI"
brittle owl
woven radish
we get there and its some rediculous key lvl like a 13 14 i dunno spitballing, a...
Those hired muscle are kind of the limiting factor in pull size. Blizz got rid if a lot of lethal kicks, but they replaced it with shit tons of leutenant mobs that are seriously legal when stacked. Very annoying. Also that's a lot of bleeds
mighty valley
So I played MT all last season and didnt touch Colossus once. Can I just slam MT...
Thane will do fine, if you experience big damage fomo you might want to try colossus though
old basin
m0s opening today ?
old basin
wtf
jagged pier
well its not the new season
small steeple
:thistbh:
fading forge
Thane will do fine, if you experience big damage fomo you might want to try colo...
Most of my time will be spent in keys so I was just wondering if there was a huge difference between the two. Mainly just tankiness vs dmg.
harsh trellis
Im just staying in Thane this season for everything
remote anchor
good for you
fading forge
Thats what I did last season but colossus dmg looks kinda nutty
harsh trellis
Thats what I did last season but colossus dmg looks kinda nutty
I just never picked colossus up enough to figure it out. I would use it on reclear nights and I still didnt quite understand how the rotation worked.
the dmg was insane and it also was funky on mythic brood when I would spike in dps and end up with dps mechanics the tank was never supposed to have.
rough hazel
How does prot feel 11.1 ? It seems like Jan/Feb has been ups and downs 🙂
strong forum
very good
jagged pier
U got rings to break eggs because dps were dead
Not because u went colossus
I progged ovi as colssus didnt get egg break once expect for when dps were dead
solid sun
I spent all of season one as thane - how much harder is colossus?
jagged pier
Not harder at all just different
solid sun
If I mess it up can I still blame the healer
tribal wharf
if you want them to not group with you, yes
blame healer typically a pretty bad idea
tribal wharf
your healer will abandon you
supple meadow
and I like to give him shit
tribal wharf
you will miss ce/aotc/ksmksh
supple meadow
I'm going for ksm this season on my prot warr
tribal wharf
is easy to pug this stuff if you are willing to
supple meadow
I'm going with a guild group
tribal wharf
if you can be bothered to at least i cant some days lol
harsh trellis
Not because u went colossus
sorry no, dps wasnt dead
solid sun
Were you dpsing
harsh trellis
Were you dpsing
everyone DPs's I was in prot spec as I main prot
cerulean tusk
It is being asked in every chat, on a 15-30min CD
hardy snow
sorry no, dps wasnt dead
you can get some dps mechanics if you have 3 tanks in group
harsh trellis
yeah just me and a blood dk. It happened once, and I swapped back to thane and called it a day
hardy snow
but it has nothing to do with chosen hero talents
harsh trellis
Well it happened when I was in colossus and I went nuts on adds and topped the charts
Ended up with a ring wasnt on the egg and so we called a wipe.
this was in phase 1 with all dps up
nocturne spindle
Are they any mechanics to cheese with demolish blocking movement effects that it should be saved for?
crimson furnace
https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-11-1-undermine-d-official-patch-notes-373971
..so we knew about these right??? its nothing new for us??
jagged pier
Are they any mechanics to cheese with demolish blocking movement effects that it...
None u have leap and charge to cancel knockbacks etc
U dont save demolish ever
nocturne spindle
okie
another question, i dont see clapping to apply rend as a prio in the opener with colussus. is that accurate or still apply rend somewhat fast
lunar jackal
Knockback = dps increase
tribal wharf
the best is when they do the foot ball field goal kick pattern
up and back
and then you just charge,
south goblet
this is the only weird change. Since they want us to hit shield slam less and now execute with not giving Col Might we only really want to shield slam on boss fights
strong forum
yeah like
this change makes no sense
execute is the only hard hitting rotational ability
for both arms and prot
chilly brook
They didn’t like that people weren’t pressing MS on CD
hardy snow
"We think using hard hiting rotational abilities is core of colossus, so we make change that you will want to use hard hitting ability less"
chilly brook
And applied it to prot
strong forum
They didn’t like that people weren’t pressing MS on CD
but we did tho
nobody played it in raid anyway
but ye
chilly brook
but we did tho
Didn’t colo also wait until 2 stacks of tier set?
south goblet
its not like we could spam execute any way, you only got 4 ish uses befor you had to go back to rage genning
dusky canopy
Pls
strong forum
it makes 0 sense
dusky canopy
They think we execute spammed because it applied demolish stacks??? Lmao
chilly brook
I’m pretty sure colo waited until 2 stacks of tier buff
strong forum
that was early sims
chilly brook
Before MS in execute
tribal wharf
my only working theory is that slayer is about executes, and they only want dps aka slayers to be big execute , so it doesnt fit for col or mt
strong forum
which they are doing now
strong forum
MS is getting a 66% dmg buff
dusky canopy
what if we just removed execute
You don’t talk like that!
south goblet
its just a weird sucky nerf to colossus, thats 8-12 sec off the CD of demo were not getting in exectue phase now
dusky canopy
Make execute absolutely nuke and dump rage and feed am
chilly brook
its just a weird sucky nerf to colossus, thats 8-12 sec off the CD of demo were ...
I mean your demolish is also hitting way harder now
So
south goblet
i wouldnt say it comps for the loss from the execute dmg
it was just nice to build for execute phase on col prot war and really pump with the extra demo cd while getting juiced executes in between. Thats kinda dead now with this change
cerulean tusk
Lets be honest, they just dont like execute as a button - There are two sides, the balance team and the warrior dev.
The warrior dev keeps doing things to make execute be a feel good button. Then the balance team, run by MrWarlock, looks at this and says "that looks like fun... I mean, unbalanced!" and starts throwing 'balance sticks' into the wheels of the execute engine.
ruby musk
what if we just removed execute
Some of us are still recovering from losing heroic strike.
rose karma
anyone have a link to an updated s2 spell reflect wa package?
hot orbit
anyone have a link to an updated s2 spell reflect wa package?
what would be the purpose of this package?
rose karma
what would be the purpose of this package?
oh just like it displays a spell reflect icon when a reflectable cast is going off
rotund sluice
anyone have a link to an updated s2 spell reflect wa package?
the jundies plater profile does a pretty good job of identifying reflectable spells if you use plater
it had a s2 update recently
rose karma
the jundies plater profile does a pretty good job of identifying reflectable spe...
thanks i do use it ill check it tonight
rotund sluice
if i recall reflectable spells show up as pink. hardest part about reflects is getting your group not to kick it 🙂
rose karma
if i recall reflectable spells show up as pink. hardest part about reflects is g...
thats perfect
well as long as it doesnt go off i suppose its a win
native ember
jundies is fkn op
rotund sluice
how is the colossus prot build looking? never got on PTR myself but saw it get some last minute attention from some of the streaming community
tawdry fjord
can anyone tell me what the news is regarding that we are bugged?
read somewhere that they were gonna buff arms, and ended up buffing prot aswell, and that we might get nerfed again?
south goblet
how is the colossus prot build looking? never got on PTR myself but saw it get s...
execute specced col prot is kinda dead now due to Execute no longer granting Col might. Otherwise it was buffed overall dmg wise. Will probs have the highest single target dmg and highest dmg for 3 or less mobs. Over mountain Thane, which still arguably makes you tankyer and better dps at 5+ mobs.
hot orbit
Can someone post only the mod for copying in my profile ? or tell where can i find it
south goblet
tbh with the m+ scaling changes i doubt we will see Mountain on top at any level since nothing will live long enough for Mountain to get rolling
pallid quiver
execute specced col prot is kinda dead now due to Execute no longer granting Col...
I'm having trouble reading this, but
Did you just say that Thane has more AOE damage than Colo?
That is so inaccurate if so that you just have a fundamental misunderstanding of how Colo works
south goblet
I'm having trouble reading this, but
Did you just say that Thane has more AOE d...
mountain only when you get 5+ mobs and they live long enough for the bleed/t clap sustain to catch up to the bursting from Col opener, which tbh isnt that often this last season.
and will be even less often this season
small steeple
execute specced col prot is kinda dead now due to Execute no longer granting Col...
not really. execute build raid col still does the most single target. AND what you said later is also blatantly wrong as far as I know. Col pwar will do more damage at any target count @strong forum is this correct?
urban bane
mountain only when you get 5+ mobs and they live long enough for the bleed/t cla...
the opener isnt what makes colossus especially truck and sustain
it is
south goblet
not really. execute build raid col still does the most single target. AND what y...
it will still probs be the highest single target it just feels really bad now since it doesnt feed into the demolish cd
small steeple
go brr
karmic plinth
demo will still hit hard without the execute cdr
chilly brook
mountain only when you get 5+ mobs and they live long enough for the bleed/t cla...
mountain thane is not doing more damage than colo at any target count or fight length
urban bane
yeah and you still shield slam bunches. it isnt like you have no cdr
small steeple
it will still probs be the highest single target it just feels really bad now si...
Still tons of cdr on demolish. And this would only effect execute range. And then it was about 8-12 seconds of cdr in execute that we are no longer getting
small steeple
ur a net gain on cdr iirc
Does tierset give demolish cdr? I thought it just was shield charge cdr
small steeple
But it gives more crits right?
cyan bronze
75% ss crit chance ye
small steeple
For more more oh you beat me to it lol
wind prawn
Hey Guys, coming back from a 2 month long break. Hearing colossus is the way to go for M+ for season two. Anyone have a build i can take a look at?
wind prawn
Thanks
So in S1 with MT i barley hit revenge. I assume with the build @errant shell linked i am going to want to revenge much more often since we taking a lot of those talents
restive oak
yes
urban bane
wowhead guide has all the info ya need 
Nome spoils us
inner belfry
Some of us are still recovering from losing heroic strike.
Coming from classic, what happened to sunder armor? lol
topaz latch
did they take away colossus might from execute?
karmic plinth
yer
spring depot
Coming from classic, what happened to sunder armor? lol
sick sentinel
Coming from classic, what happened to sunder armor? lol
It was added to devastate at one point. And later they made it so you automatically devastate on auto attacks. I have no idea what happened to the actual sunder
twin hill
is there any special tech to keep shield block up 100% with into the fray? im trying my best on the target dummies, but after some time it just falls off for at least 1 or 2 seconds
jagged gust
have enough haste
pallid quiver
mountain only when you get 5+ mobs and they live long enough for the bleed/t cla...
The fuck do you mean bleed sustain
they both have the same amount of bleeds, and Colo has more support for bleeds
Colo is also the sustain damage spec; Thane bursts with Thunder Bladt. Revenge hits as hard as blast for when Colo, pretty much, too. Like, what?
solemn current
Instigate and Battering Ram only after tier set or seem to be straight up better now with tuning?
strong forum
4pc
bleak breach
@strong forum I saw you’ve still got MT as ST raid build.
Is it out performing colossus in pure ST?
strong forum
real
strong forum
I assume spear for ST and roar for heavy aoe?
either or
cerulean burrow
just small question the "priority" for this in text has demo shout -> demolish -> THEN thunderous roar but the chart if im reading it right wants us to demo shout -> thunderous roar -> shield charge THEN demolish? just trying to gauge what the ideal opener would be theoretically if every ability was up
strong forum
at the flowchart the demolish is supposed to be before
its as in the list above
demolish > roar > sc
cerulean burrow
ah okay its the text variant then thank you!
small steeple
<@128424443625078784> is not me, lol. Understandable mistake though
lmao
raw meteor
With all the peeps crying about col damage. Should we be expecting a pp slap?
raw meteor
If that happens we still running col you think?
strong forum
most tank sims arent fully updated yet, so other tanks are looking lower than they actually are
small steeple
If that happens we still running col you think?
About 4-5% aoe damage nerf, 1-2% for st I'd expect
strong forum
If that happens we still running col you think?
severly doubt we will get a relevant slap for colossus to not be better dmg than thane
raw meteor
The only dungeon I don't like is cinderbrew
From my testing motherboard sucked more for me
small steeple
@strong forum this isn't true right?
raw meteor
That's good once I got the hang of col felt pretty fun
small steeple
Last I heard it wasn't actually that much
lusty grotto
uncap soul cleave but what about us? sigil still uncapped no?
lusty grotto
meanwhile in warrior land = 
small steeple
uncap soul cleave but what about us? sigil still uncapped no?
soul cleave is hard capped at 5. We got soft caps
lusty grotto
"whats uncapped damage"
i know that
im saying
consecration and sigil of flame are uncapped
strong forum
immo aura, felscarred and sigils are uncapped
lusty grotto
^
strong forum
all our buttons are soft capped to 5
lusty grotto
we have NOTHING uncapped
small steeple
immo aura, felscarred and sigils are uncapped
not felsacarred demonsurges anymore. Soft capped at 8 now
strong forum
ah
lusty grotto
well i guess spear is uncapped maybe?
strong forum
spear is softcapped to 5
small steeple
But until like 14 targets, its still going to do more damage it got such a large damage buff
lusty grotto
well i stand by what i said lmao
small steeple
All these 5 caps are from SL right?
strong forum
nah roar and spear was uncapped
lusty grotto
a lot of them, some put after
strong forum
our 5softcaps on tc and revenge was always 5
small steeple
I just remember SL s1 they wanted to make pulls small to put caps on like every ability
lusty grotto
im pretty sure TC wasnt capped in early BFA
strong forum
well obv in SL
lusty grotto
yeah yeah SL caps
strong forum
the great cappening happened
lusty grotto
it seems they are dead set on targetted ground abilities not being capped
D&D, Sigils, Consecration
strong forum
"dots"
small steeple
well i stand by what i said lmao
but yeah "uncap soul cleave" just because its a hardcap. Which is super rare in the modern game, especially with tanks
strong forum
dots arent capped
small steeple
it seems they are dead set on targetted ground abilities not being capped
yeah they dots
strong forum
cuz how the fuck do you cap a dot
small steeple
cuz how the fuck do you cap a dot
more dots more dots
strong forum
the game would have to scan how many active dots are up from you specifically
each time
small steeple
Sounds like a huge packet issue
strong forum
correct
lusty grotto
so it circuvents the whole d&d/consecration/sigil thing
strong forum
we dont pulse a roar for 16seconds
lusty grotto
right
small steeple
scuffed immo aura
Give warrior accumalator style roar. I WANT RAGEFIRE
drifting mountain
does anyone know of a resource like the spell reflect sheet but for shadowmeld? or is this the kind of thing that just becomes known throughout a season
ofc not as a tank really just in general
strong forum
thats extremely specific
small steeple
shadowmeld = everything targeted
drifting mountain
good point
hmmm
got a healer friend trying to decide on pay for dwarf or stay nelf next season and theyre scared by the bleed list so far
neon elk
How are the rage gen nerfs ? Did they actualy go live , and if yes then how impactful are they?
drifting mountain
thank you anyway!
lusty grotto
they are live, just lessened by other tweaks
small steeple
thats extremely specific
was this in response to my request for an accumalator style roar?
neon elk
And did u play with them ? Do they affect a lot ? Both performance and fun wise
small steeple
Not home at my pc, are the servers live?
strong forum
was this in response to my request for an accumalator style roar?
thats for shadowmeld
small steeple
okok
strong forum
How are the rage gen nerfs ? Did they actualy go live , and if yes then how i...
we received numerous other buffs
lusty grotto
Not home at my pc, are the servers live?
no
strong forum
to the point of almost not being able to tell that we have received a strategist nerf
thane notices it the most
colossus only in single target
neon elk
Okej okej gotta try it tmrw , thanks
bleak breach
Only downside to colossus is now I’ve actually gotta track rend uptime 😭
small steeple
Only downside to colossus is now I’ve actually gotta track rend uptime 😭
Not really, you still TC enough to keep it up, to fill globals and for rage
bleak breach
But revenge go brrr
strong forum
Not really, you still TC enough to keep it up, to fill globals and for rage
i do let it fall of sometimes ngl
lusty grotto
yeah its mostly fine
strong forum
im not saying its correct to let it fall off
but that it does happen to me
that i actually dont TC for 20 seconds
lusty grotto
it def happened to me when i colossus mid season
sharp steppe
<@242261993761800192> exaggerating bitch
not completely wrong
bleak breach
Happened to me on ptr as I was able to spam a lot more revenge with the changes to the refund and other features
naive vapor
when I play my vulpera tank I always have what does the fox say playing in the b...
As another Vulpera tank this makes me smile lol
small steeple
What are the pros of Vulpera? Because like, Dwarf and nelf are super good, and I think velf might be the highest dps race along with maghar now?
naive vapor
My Vulpera has been doing alright as a Colossi Prot for most the season.
Pros: Furry (if that matters), Nose for trouble is absolutely insane, and the tent is awesome.
Con: Smol.
lusty grotto
What *are* the pros of Vulpera? Because like, Dwarf and nelf are super good, and...
initial hit DR
small steeple
initial hit DR
Like bouncback from monk tree?
lusty grotto
but dps wise im not sure
naive vapor
I also use Vulpera potion for a minor speed boost or to heal someone in a pinch.
lusty grotto
Like bouncback from monk tree?
small steeple
I also use Vulpera potion for a minor speed boost or to heal someone in a pinch.
they got a speed buff? Sign me up
naive vapor
It's only 4 seconds, can either throw it at yourself or an ally for 20% speed buff for brief time - or to briefly slow someone down.
It was in the same patch worgies got the Darkflight stackable with other speed buffs.
lusty grotto
im surprised apb isnt here to be happy about vulpera players
@toxic pewter oh thank god i thought he left
naive vapor
But yeah been doing fine as Prot/Arms all season, I just couldn't complete any 12 keys ;-; Colossi been fun.
toxic pewter
Na I’m still here
small steeple
It's only 4 seconds, can either throw it at yourself or an ally for 20% speed bu...
Can vulpera be dk? Because my bdk has major wheelchair syndrome
toxic pewter
Yeah they can
naive vapor
Can vulpera be dk? Because my bdk has major wheelchair syndrome
They can be DK yeah
toxic pewter
<@185160009074737153> oh thank god i thought he left
I’ve been in the PvP world. Became the highest rated Vulpera arms warr in the world in solo shuffle
lusty grotto
good shit my dude
naive vapor
Outstanding!
idle copper
Has Heavy Repercusions lost value in 11.1? its not in the wowhead recommended build?
small steeple
Has Heavy Repercusions lost value in 11.1? its not in the wowhead recommended b...
Its more than haste values are gonna be high enough at new ilvl that its not needed as much
idle copper
thank you
naive vapor
How do you know your the highest rated Vulpera arms warrior in the world for solo btw apb? I not really touched pvp, but I have been curious where I sit in stuff like M+
toxic pewter
Websites like seramate or drustvar
Track people’s PvP progress
For mythic+ it’s basically raider.io
toxic pewter
Oh
naive vapor
^
toxic pewter
Yeah prob not
naive vapor
wowlogs I don't think has it either, but its just a genuine curiousity lol
toxic pewter
Race doesn’t really matter I’m just being sorta cheeky
naive vapor
hehe!
lusty grotto
i believe in apb
toxic pewter
🙏
idle copper
Is it worth tracking Colossal Might or are we sending Demolish pretty much on CD?
toxic pewter
I sending that shit on cd
small steeple
Is it worth tracking Colossal Might or are we sending Demolish pretty much on CD...
3 stacks I think
void oak
colossus or thane ?
idle copper
thank you , so worth setting up a weak aura for when im incombat, have x3 stacks of CM and Demolish is off CD
small steeple
bot?
lusty grotto
me too old
small steeple
did i miss it?
tribal wharf
gib v bux plox
lusty grotto
wasnt that the hacked guy from yesterday?
the steam card dude
could have been someone else
small steeple
oh lol
bleak breach
I’ve never once had demolish off cd without 10 stacks, although execute nerf might change that. But I’ve always sent demolish on cd
small steeple
I didn't see it this time
lusty grotto
but it was the steam card bs again
tribal wharf
mwahi been scammed by the click here for free vbucks before i see
jagged pier
Is it worth tracking Colossal Might or are we sending Demolish pretty much on CD...
It light up at 10
chilly brook
Damn I just realized I shoulda bet @toxic pewter on whether or not they'd do MOP classic
toxic pewter
Lol
That I would never bet against
In my mind I won the bet season of discovery basically what I knew they’d bring
So I am a winner even now
Always and forever
chilly brook
next pasture
is anyone else in the same boat as me, where you can't decide which to play between prot pal and warrior? i heard prot warrior is doing more damage, is that true?
lusty grotto
theres nothign to do this week so just try both
small steeple
is anyone else in the same boat as me, where you can't decide which to play betw...
I'm like that with vdh and pwar
chilly brook
is anyone else in the same boat as me, where you can't decide which to play betw...
no I'm not in the same boat, just play what you enjoy
if you're making the decision based on which one does more damage or does some special snowflake thing even though you'd kinda want to play the other you're just trolling your own enjoyment
next pasture
lol, it’s more like i’m trying to find advantages. i love them both for many different reasons. i especially like covering for my group’s interrupts with AS/DT, and for warrior i like the flow of the gameplay. much faster, it feels like. it’s not as shallow as “me want big dam”, that’s just like, a luxury
cerulean tusk
If you like the playstyle of paladin, warrior is far from it
It is brick vs medkit
Why not do both?
novel temple
Did they fix colossus with the crit blocks not actually being stronger?
small steeple
@strong forum ?
lofty warren
Where pwar emergency buffs?
lusty grotto
in my pants
neon elk
Can i still get zekvir achiev before season or is till patch only ? Kinda forget about it
lusty grotto
my understanding is that its gone
neon elk
Shame on me
lusty grotto
but its pre-season so you might as well make sure
novel temple
Goes away on march 4th
lusty grotto
there you go
novel temple
@neon elk
neon elk
Nice then , still time , thanks
lusty grotto
good time to do it with buffs being live too i guess
neon elk
Yea , maybe it will also be a good time ( or realy bad ) to do mage tower on few chars
novel temple
Also, when did Immovable Object become cool?
just this patch?
Also, Defender's Aegis? wtf is going on now
mighty valley
they took the rage gen off've imp wall
and reduced the base cooldown
IO became cool when we got an extra point on the class tree and colossus has never cared about UF
novel temple
Does the Shield wall proc from tier set affect Immovable Object then?
mighty valley
no
lusty grotto
IO is good cause the extra avatar can be used with demolish
novel temple
That's my arguement for it working
lusty grotto
i.e. mini avatar
novel temple
so shield wall demolish in that order?
novel temple
But did they fix Martial Expert for colossus?
lusty grotto
no idea on that one
novel temple
since it seemingly wasn't working on giving us stronger crit blocks
lusty grotto
it did have an update on the patch but im not 100% positive if it addressed it
novel temple
unless it uses some garbage math for the "20%" increase
lusty grotto
a nerf lol
cerulean tusk
since it seemingly wasn't working on giving us stronger crit blocks
It works, it just doesnt push the 85% DR cap of critblock. It does give you some value to get there. Other than that, it is just the dam portion
I reported it not affecting the DR cap mutliple times on PTR, and wasnt changed. So it is on purpose
not a bug
idle copper
We are losing 1H specilisation talent or its been baked into something else?
cerulean tusk
combined into another node, the 2/2 node that gives dam and movementspeed
well, leech
as we prot here
idle copper
Ah missed that thank you
cerulean tusk
o7
supple meadow
this is prot warrior?
lusty grotto
no, this is wendys
supple meadow
damn I was looking for vdh
simple atlas
no, this is wendys
1 baconator please
lusty grotto
coming right up
supple meadow
I had wendy's earlier
simple atlas
💖
lusty grotto
yes, only 17 dollars
lusty grotto
nice
supple meadow
ye, wendy's where I live is goated
novel temple
It works, it just doesnt push the 85% DR cap of critblock. It does give you some...
There's an 85% DR cap of critblock?
supple meadow
lmfao damn where you live bro
lusty grotto
murica
supple meadow
same
cerulean tusk
There's an 85% DR cap of critblock?
That's what I said
lusty grotto
yeah fr
south goblet
you can get a 20 piece, extra large fry and large dribk for i think 11 ish via the mcdonalds app
supple meadow
go to mcds and get 4 single mcdoubles and a large fry and large coke for like 8$ and eat all day on that
used to be
lusty grotto
ye
lusty grotto
south goblet
yea the "meals" only work now if your splitting them between 2 ppl
supple meadow
it's bullshit tbqh
lusty grotto
agreed
supple meadow
bro I went to subway the other day and spent $30 on two sub meals
for me and my wife
lusty grotto
yeah its fucking wild
supple meadow
And the quality is worse!
south goblet
nah fk subway. ever since they got rid of the chicken breast its been trash and overpriced
supple meadow
lusty grotto
i miss quiznos
bleak breach
Ahh interesting, so with the extra charges of shield wall were kinda using it as an extra offensive with IO
lusty grotto
chicken carbonara was goated
supple meadow
Ahh interesting, so with the extra charges of shield wall were kinda using it as...
yeah it's pretty neat tbh
supple meadow
chicken carbonara was goated
chicken carbonara is just goated anyway
bleak breach
Shhh, you’ll upset the Italians
cerulean tusk
oh, we going down the path that leads to blended chicken?
lusty grotto
shh youll summon nish
cerulean tusk
The best way to consume protein
lusty grotto
canned fish time
south goblet
bended chicken = mcdonalds nuggets
cerulean tusk
well, drink
cerulean tusk
Ye, cause something something I dont remember, it is more efficent
lusty grotto
lol
south goblet
just think on how much you wil save by making protine paste insted of buying powder
lusty grotto
south goblet
they need to open the servers, were loseing it
toxic pewter
maintenance gonna get extended- calling it right now
supple meadow
maintenance gonna get extended- calling it right now
I'll riot at blizz hq
south goblet
probs and it will be becasue of the new warband char select options
toxic pewter
I'll riot at blizz hq
well prepare your torch
supple meadow
toxic pewter
yes and pitchforks of course
neon elk
Is there anything special to reflect in new dung pool?
lusty grotto
the reflect sheet is up to date
if you wanna look at it
obviously some raid stuff might not be put in until afterwards
pallid quiver
interested in dung, smh
lusty grotto
supple meadow
interested in dung, smh
lf dung beetle spec
tribal wharf
the dung ball is our shield cuz we need to keep it infront of our self and its constantly deteriorating
urban bane
I'm surprised there wasn't something in Nerubar related to that. I guess that'd be too goofy for the tone
supple meadow
I'm surprised there wasn't something in Nerubar related to that. I guess that'd ...
There is in this raid
urban bane
The way they roll stuff looks pretty cool. Beetles just look pretty cool
supple meadow
You literally turn into a ball of garbage as one of the mechanics
urban bane
Yeah but that's more Katamari and less... Dung beetle rolling stuff up.
lusty grotto
am i the only one that has had music muted since vanilla?
south goblet
i have it on for the first few hours of an xpac, then turn it off again
tribal wharf
i end up setting the wow music to loop
lusty grotto
if only the music was ffxiv good, but holy
pallid quiver
am i the only one that has had music muted since vanilla?
You should at least listen to some of the tracks coming this patch
They are absolute fucking bops
lusty grotto
i dont know about that
pallid quiver
i'll fight you
pallid quiver
I don't remember a single piece of music from BFA
lusty grotto
kinda all downhill after ffxiv
pallid quiver
Most of it is all ambient music in WoW, which I prefer
lusty grotto
i get that
pallid quiver
It fits better to me than having actual themes as often
tribal wharf
BFA had tons of memorable music
pallid quiver
But also, did you actually catch that news post where they were listing some of the music coming up, Nim?
lusty grotto
hmm no
lusty grotto
ok let me have a listen
pallid quiver
Has links to youtube videos with some of the pieces
pallid quiver
Then there's the theory that one of the fights has a separate theme that plays during a mechanic
https://www.wowhead.com/news/rolling-rubbish-soundtrack-on-stix-junkbunker-raid-encounter-in-patch-11-1-369859
lusty grotto
that first one is pretty decent
edgy jay
Some guildmates are telling me that prot warrior dmg are OP for next season ? what is your feelings ?
toxic pewter
servers up
lusty grotto
Then there's the theory that one of the fights has a separate theme that plays d...
if thats the case then they are taking a page out of ffxiv
pallid quiver
that first one is pretty decent
Yeah, I had to ask again because I understand you play FF14, and they do have like good music, so it made sense to not know that they're actually cooking this time
lusty grotto
where the music remains the same but changes a little bit with combat
shut summit
urban bane
still gotta play xiv onea these days
cerulean tusk
https://tenor.com/view/beetle-food-gif-12955551
Me pushing you to 3k rating
lusty grotto
ok i gotta admit these are solid
pallid quiver
Yeah, I'm glad I ,got you to listen to 'em. I know WoW doesn't normally have like standouts in music outside of specific tracks,
but these are quality
mortal cypress
Yeah, I'm glad I ,got you to listen to 'em. I know WoW doesn't normally have lik...
Wdym? Wow has some of the best music from any game
pallid quiver
Most of the tracks in WoW are ambient features
mortal cypress
i disagree
pallid quiver
They're good, but not standout, and that's by design. They're there to enhance the experience
mortal cypress
ffxiv is for weebs and thats all it has
lusty grotto
ah yes the bait
floral imp
pallid quiver
There's absolute truck loads of environmental pieces for every, like, Invincible and what not
mortal cypress
its just a shape dodging game with housing
mortal cypress
sure
vocal flame
Just me or are the servers not up?
mortal cypress
anyway, sorry for interfering....i just think wow music has always created a great atmosphere, even though I inevitably mute it
simple atlas
Just me or are the servers not up?
tthey came up again
lusty grotto
mortal cypress
Just me or are the servers not up?
they are up from what I see people playing
vocal flame
tthey came up again
stuck at this, idk why i try to play on patch day lol
mortal cypress
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeKbCcq9gT8
yes yes, ive been there, doesnt matter....its just disconnected from the gameplay like the shape dodging
lusty grotto
hmm
simple atlas
stuck at this, idk why i try to play on patch day lol
i had that for a few minutes, just got in
lusty grotto
idk most savage and ultimate music fits the theme and fights pretty well
vocal flame
i had that for a few minutes, just got in
aight ill keep trying ty
cinder marsh
anybodys elvui not showing their actions bars?
supple meadow
anybodys elvui not showing their actions bars?
Did you update
cinder marsh
i updated elvui yesterday
pallid quiver
and yesterday was before a patch
on top of that, i have 13.84 for elvui listed as released a week ago
supple meadow
🤷♂️ I don't use elvui so
pallid quiver
he got it
cinder marsh
you mean for wow
pallid quiver
Yeah
cinder marsh
LOLS
lusty grotto
its patch day everyone!
lusty grotto
ui mending time!
lua error farming
remember as NA we're here beta testing for EU
🙂
supple meadow
Lmfao
molten root
Looking through the WoWhead guide (and not being anywhere smart enough to run the numbers), it looks like cutting Thunder Clap and Rend out of the Colossus build might not be too much of a DPS loss, could the Rend point be better spent elsewhere to close the gap even more (Assuming the point from TC goes in to Pain and Gain for pathing)? I'm EU so I've not had a chance to play Colossus yet but I'm always on the lookout for buttons I can cut to help my smooth brain cope :p
lusty grotto
well the problem is that TC is a rage generator
so you might as well get some damage out of it
even in the form of rend
molten root
Ah, missed that, makes sense
round cliff
i got in and started watching a cutscene before it kicked me out again
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vocal flame
I see noms notes, so we can decide between col and mountain? pretty similar?
urban portal
Looking through the WoWhead guide (and not being anywhere smart enough to run th...
That doesn’t sound right
Clap still does a lot of things even with colossus