protection

[mild river]

Yes

[quick grail]

Tyty

[solemn current]

The reaction of people coasting through a key realizing how fast it’s going only to look down at the meters at the end and realize they were competing with the prot warrior is pretty great not gonna lie.

[strong forum]

Ppal and vdh do just as well

[earnest pond]

What's an easier m0 this week to practice tank in?

[strong forum]

And bdk is also right behind

[strong forum]

Uhm generally all of them? Only way to learn tanking is doing it

Gotta jump into the cold water

[earnest pond]

Haha been playing fury. Anything more than 4 buttons take some time to adjust

[solemn current]

Can do, but tanks generally don’t do much in general because they suck so any tank doing damage is a surprise. Particularly one doing 1.5mil+ in a weekly 11.

[strong forum]

oh yeah but thats 100% a player issue

[paper beacon]

oh and brewmaster right behind...bdk...maybe...if we're not dead.

[strong forum]

cant speak for druid or brew

have not seen them

and if i have seen them, its not played by someone who can parse on a r1 level

[near walrus]

i rank the tank for season 2 like this; VDH. prot pal and war, BDK, just a feeling tho

[strong forum]

pointless to make any assumptions rn

for the first 2 months or so we will just see raid mains

and then we get the mid season patch which will break things again

[near walrus]

unfortunately i don't raid so 😛

[strong forum]

but until everyone is actually close to 677ilvl nothing is set in stone

[near walrus]

true

[strong forum]

until that point its just whoever brings numbers cuz people arent pushing into keys where survival is the breaking point

[sharp dew]

Is there any type of synergy between shield wall and demolish?

[lusty grotto]

@strong forum when wowhead guides

get pinged 🙂

[jagged pier]

literally already there

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-shocked-shocked-face-gasp-omg-gif-17083293

sup jakey

[jagged pier]

hi

[lusty grotto]

i see archi is lagging behind a little bit

aight im caught up

😄

[mighty flame]

do you guys switch to fury/arms for delves? or do them as prot?

[lusty grotto]

time to check if we still play fucking garbage ass SkS as arms

[small steeple]

No IO? Or spear capstones?

[lusty grotto]

prot is fine

i dont switch

[mighty flame]

and do you have bran as a healer or dps?

[strong forum]

dps

[lusty grotto]

[woven radish]

Archi been in the hospital

[lusty grotto]

oh shit

[strong forum]

while Kira has tested that build it is generally not higher dmg output to play roar + spear instead of full investing into roar OR spear and then get IO
and obv squishier

[lusty grotto]

hope he gets well soon then

[small steeple]

Ok so the IO with the capstones of roar/spear is better than grabing both spear and roar without IO? Thats what I thought. That possibility hadn't even occured to me before lol

[strong forum]

ye

i simmed all possible combinations and IO was within 0.1% of the "best"

and if the diff is that small, i sure as shit will play IO

also, with IO + DA you can buff almost every single demolish with avatar 😉

which is also mentioned in the guide!

[small steeple]

Oh guides are updated now? Cool

[lusty grotto]

fuck yeah no more SkS

oops

[small steeple]

SkS?

[lusty grotto]

arms

i just got too excited about it lol sorry

[small steeple]

oh skull splitter?

[lusty grotto]

yea

[small steeple]

lol bleeds are not getting a lot of love on warrior

[strong forum]

kinda what happens if you only buff specific buttons and not aura

that certain things will fall more and more behind

[lusty grotto]

i mean bleeds isnt the problem, sks is just bleh

gameplay wise

[strong forum]

i jsut use on cd

[small steeple]

I mean, feels good on 2 target cleave when you got CS and avatar up and roar

[lusty grotto]

of course of course

[small steeple]

BOOOOT

[strong forum]

[small steeple]

Looks like they got hacked

Been in here since 2018

[strong forum]

<@&257983573498265600>

[oblique garnet]

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/f-bi-raid-swat-gif-11500735

[small steeple]

Nome, why is Mountain Thane the reccomended single target raid build?

[strong forum]

almost no offensive difference in ST but safer

[lusty grotto]

didnt strikes get buffed recently also?

[strong forum]

practiced strikes?

[small steeple]

Oh really? Even with degen execute playstyle?

[lusty grotto]

lightning strikes

[strong forum]

didnt get buffed

[lusty grotto]

ah

[small steeple]

I think it might have just been a thunder blast slight buff?

[strong forum]

i dont recommend that to be played for the average reader 😉

only for fury

iirc

[small steeple]

fair enough lol

[lusty grotto]

yeah that might have been it

[strong forum]

the execute builds are there

but basic "raid st" recommendation is punish thane

[small steeple]

Okay I see them, just hidden away, out of sight, out of mind

[strong forum]

i meaaaan

not exactly hidden

[sour flicker]

guys, have you seen what Yoda does on protwar in PTR? 😄

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSIM_6f9Fes

[strong forum]

yep, nothing new

[lusty grotto]

i just remembered why i stopped chatting here

[small steeple]

Most people don't read more than the first thing they see

[strong forum]

yeh

which is fine

[woven radish]

I alt raid with a friends very bad guild to help carry them to aotc, excited to use execute build to beat the lower dps players lol

[strong forum]

sometimes youre not just beating lower dps players

[small steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/ret-retribution-paladin-gif-22704986

[strong forum]

[small steeple]

Lol

[mild river]

All these links in wowhead open protection paladin pages

[lusty grotto]

LOL

[small steeple]

not for me?

[mild river]

So we just avoid PROT WAR

[strong forum]

i dont have control over that sadly but its only in a very specific section

[mild river]

😛

[dark barn]

I already did it for years without glass cannon builds (some dps players are just bad)

[mild river]

Even the mouse over says PROT PALLY

[strong forum]

if you go to a non-s2 section those links will link to the correct thing

[mild river]

Ok thanks

[small steeple]

lmao not for me

[strong forum]

this "bug" is only if youre on this part

https://i.imgur.com/m5kkYVM.png

if you click to other parts, the navigation panel is correct again

[small steeple]

Oh yes I see

[small steeple]

@strong forum looks like the cheat sheet page still has the season 1 gear, actually the gear page does too

[strong forum]

yeah ik

im working on it rn to get it all up to speed

[small steeple]

All good, just wanted to let ya know if you didn't

[mint knot]

Yoda doesn't like prot war, he just wants to get it nerfed so he can keep playing prot paladin meta.

[strong forum]

probably

but idk why hes so worried

ppal does barely less dmg

and is still pally lol

[mint knot]

Given how OP prot pala's utility kit is, it should braindead decision that ppal should be significantly weaker in both damage and survivability than the other tanks to keep a level playing field.

[small steeple]

Oh is yoda trying to get pwar nerfed? lol

[cyan bronze]

pwar meta

[mint knot]

Well, 3 videos titled "secret OP?" makes it seem that way indeed.

[cyan bronze]

[jagged pier]

that literally clickbait

[cyan bronze]

(pwar meta cus it lets me play havoc)

[jagged pier]

and not secret

[ionic nimbus]

@strong forum Whats your opinion to absorb trinkets from raid and new dungeon?

[strong forum]

very secret

bombsuit very very good

[round pendant]

other tanks need to be brought up closer to colossus dam

[small steeple]

I mean, he did the same with bdk, and then AR vdh videos. All tanks are "secret meta" but ppal for him

[round pendant]

they shouldn't nerf col

[cyan bronze]

pwar mage/enh havoc feral mw

[strong forum]

scrapfield decent middle ground trinket

[cyan bronze]

!

[strong forum]

xdd

enha and havoc will just die

[cyan bronze]

havoc is more tanky now

but ya

prob

[strong forum]

do they have more than 1 defensive?

if not, good luck

2 dps and 1 tank with 0 group survivability

aint gonna work

[small steeple]

not really? They didn't change any havoc defensive ability. Only thing is AR is better, which is more defensive for havoc than FS

[ionic nimbus]

Ok, that’s what I thought. Farming m+ version to get any absorb and then praying for bombsuuiiiiiit

[cyan bronze]

you have felblade for almost every hit

it’s like 10% dr on everything

not a lot better

but

[strong forum]

especially in a season without aug

having multiple dps with only 1 defensive

is big xd

raw dmg aint timing keys

[cyan bronze]

pwar so much dmg

[strong forum]

waah so much dmg

[mint knot]

big dam but we all dead

noice

[cyan bronze]

mw prot enh and feral make purple number go up

idk what to tell you!

[strong forum]

purple?

[small steeple]

That purple is deep vein thrombosis

Go to a doctor

[tribal wharf]

i had thought about race change to orc, less stuns and an attack boost, could be fun in key

[cyan bronze]

also vaguely unrelated but meld has felt goated on ptr

a lot more things to meld this season feels like

[mint knot]

ngl prot war, aldrachi havoc dh might be some good m+ tech - big prio dam. assuming there's a cook in there somewhere that allows them to survive high keys

[small steeple]

Just meld the tankbuster. It won't hit you

[cyan bronze]

aldrachi needs sac still

like

it’s not as bad as it was before

it’s very good for rot dmg

but it’s gonna struggle a lot if it’s a large hit more often than blur+felblade+blade dance can live

netherwalk helps but

[small steeple]

Don't forget Netherwalk

oh you beat me

[cyan bronze]

hate netherwalk

let me drop it for 40 sec blur or 30% blur

thx

[small steeple]

You mean you don't like not being able to do damage?

[cyan bronze]

u can do dmg

btw

only fel dev spawned from eye beam

& I think felbar

(they had to use this cheater tech on tindral)

[tawdry dirge]

cheers

[lusty grotto]

Nome

have you seen the thing

[small steeple]

The thing? Or the thing

[lusty grotto]

that kira is talking about

[strong forum]

what thing

[small steeple]

or the thing

[strong forum]

yeah what about it?

[cerulean tusk]

Ok, who of you spread the word prot is doing big dam?

It is like an explosion of ppl that suddenly is aware.

[lusty grotto]

i see i see

[small steeple]

That seems taken out of context, you can't assume it's a mistake just like that

[strong forum]

ye its not a mistake

that part is wrong

[sharp gale]

Your favorite streamer finally tried colossus

That’s it

[past sedge]

has pwar been hotfixed yet xD

or we chilling

[cerulean tusk]

Critcake? (Sorry Nome)
But I guess it was the tierlist guy

Yoda

[strong forum]

nothing to hotfix

[jagged pier]

i dont get where the mistake is, they buffed all tank damage by 15 or 20%
they then buffed demolish (because they forget prot has it too)
and the BT change was something we actually asked for in feedback

[lusty grotto]

yeah i mean

[jagged pier]

so i dont know my petko thinks they are all together in 1 change

[lusty grotto]

wouldnt make any sense to revert it tbh

[sharp gale]

insert your favorite streamer name it’s just now in general audience knowledge I guess, not only discord stinkers

[cyan bronze]

i think from all of this

we get 5% dmg buff

!

[cerulean tusk]

I blame Diva

gosh darned Diva

[cyan bronze]

it was me

tbf i have been saying warrior is only bad in their minds cus they haven’t tried colossus

and then they tried colossus collectively

[jagged pier]

well and none of them like it

[cyan bronze]

and realized it was you know, good

[jagged pier]

so why would they give it the time?

[cyan bronze]

that’s also true

[cerulean tusk]

This is fair

Still, is BDK S+ tier? >:)

:)))

Man I love tierlists

[cyan bronze]

s++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ tier

cus we like it

[small steeple]

what tier list is this? lol

[near walrus]

i mean, the "bug" should have been caught sooner

[cerulean tusk]

What bug?

[cyan bronze]

idk if it’s a bug rly

[jagged pier]

there is no bug

[small steeple]

what "bug"? The demolish buff? As it stands it isn't a bug rn

[near walrus]

buff

[lusty grotto]

if it puts us on pace with the other 2 tanks, why is it a "bug"?

damage wise

[jagged pier]

what buff

they buffed all the tanks at the same time

[lusty grotto]

its a feature, not a bug 🙂

[cyan bronze]

we get cleaved with nerfs all the time

[jagged pier]

thats not a bug thats intentail tuning for tanks

[cerulean tusk]

Is there an actual bug, doubling our mastery bonus or something? Or ppl just coping

[jagged pier]

theres no bug

[small steeple]

no? what?

[cerulean tusk]

._. ppl talking about bugs

[small steeple]

seriously where did all this "bug" talk come from lol

[cerulean tusk]

Ppl dont like pwarr doing dam I guess

[jagged pier]

its because the streamers are saying it

[cerulean tusk]

Oh god

plz

dont bring that brainrot in here

[jagged pier]

because they didnt bother following anything to do with warrior

[lusty grotto]

tbf

twitch chat was the one freaking out about it on kira's stream

thats where i caught it

you know i dont watch yoda

[jagged pier]

well u linked what petko said

[lusty grotto]

i dont even know who that is lol

that was a screenie some guy posted

[near walrus]

didn't want to start a war, sorry about that, just thought if you buff something for Arms it shouldn't buff something in prot

[lusty grotto]

seems like a familiar name, but im not sure where its from

[jagged pier]

its a hero talent?

eh?

[cyan bronze]

it does tho

[small steeple]

I think petko is the guy who does the icey vein tierlist without doing research or something?

[jagged pier]

they arent spec specfic

[cyan bronze]

it’s just how blizzard works

like

this happens all the time

[near walrus]

didn't know that

[cyan bronze]

for vdh for example

when eyebeam gets buffed

vengeance gets a dmg buff from their eyebeam summon talent

[lusty grotto]

oh petko is a shaman?

[cyan bronze]

grifter*

[lusty grotto]

oh shit yeah now i know who he is

[jagged pier]

hes a streamer is all i know

but everything he listed out was intential tuning

dont know how its unintential

[cyan bronze]

he’s bait tierlist man

[lusty grotto]

so streamer posting streaming thing, chatter gets ahold of it, reposts it to kira

sounds like its a nothingburger

[small steeple]

Only thing I know about petko is he doesn't like pwar for some reason. Listing weird utility for other classes, then claims warrior can't do a single target stun too etc

[near walrus]

thanks for the clarification @jagged pier

[cyan bronze]

xyz class is good cus they have lists all their random utility and abc class is bad because i will not list anything for utility

[lusty grotto]

sorry ive been away, my wow b-lister memory is fuzzy

[small steeple]

yeah thats him lol

[cyan bronze]

dev is bad because they have 25 yard range, aug is good cus they have the Evoker utility kit

[jagged pier]

i mean we see it all the time, right in here, 'warrior has no utility' then they compare it to 5 classes instead of do a 1-1 comparision

and when i list out the 1-1 comparisions they shut up

[cyan bronze]

dude warrior doesn’t have sac, tremor totem(we have budget tho), lust, or brez

no utility

[small steeple]

I also love when people say bdk has no group utility too, and then claim amz isn't a real external, and bdk brez isn't the best tank brez etc etc

[cyan bronze]

warrior doesn’t even have avengers shield

OR sigil of silence or mark of the wild

!

[cerulean tusk]

We dont have AoE silence sigil, bouncing sielence or beam AoE silence. Like wth

[small steeple]

"Battle shout" that doesn't count lol.

[cyan bronze]

do we even have buttons?

[cerulean tusk]

To be fair, BS doesnt count, come on

[cyan bronze]

do we even have items?

[cerulean tusk]

Mages dont get any value from that

[limpid ruin]

Ya it doesn’t buff the mage at all

[cyan bronze]

[dark barn]

Bdk gripping casters and shooters is super good and people saying "no utility"

[limpid ruin]

Damn he beat me to the joke

[cerulean tusk]

One braincell

[jagged pier]

yet ppl use the monk buff in arguements, even tho its worse than ours

[cerulean tusk]

But... monk overall... what

... eh?

[cyan bronze]

having monk+war buff is goated for melee tho

[strong forum]

where did you get this from again

[cyan bronze]

i was blasting in the prot mw keys(I didn’t get fucking sacced tho)

[strong forum]

can you link me the thread

[cyan bronze]

(can I get battle sac? )

[near walrus]

it was lkinked in kira stream

[small steeple]

Screenshot I took of the undermine ptr dev notes thread. Sure here it is. in post 4
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/undermined-development-notes/2031155/4

[lusty grotto]

thats an old one though?

[small steeple]

Nope, they mostly updated it

A few aren't there, but most of them are

[strong forum]

others are linked further down

[lusty grotto]

but yeah they just keep posting

[cerulean tusk]

Well, it is the dev note thread - so yeah

[lusty grotto]

im sure they will have the actual notes soon anyway

id hate to be the guy that has to fucking merge all those numbers lol

and changes

[ancient reef]

whats heroics start at item level wise, im last minute leveling a toon for s2, what gear score should or would i need to start s2

[cerulean tusk]

They prob doing the last changes as we speak, preping to write in something silly like:
Col is currently doing too much damage, Demolish damage reduced by 50%, Rend reduced by 90%, Deep Wounds by 90%, and everything else that is shared with arms by 90%

RIP execute

[small steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/213770533769052162/1343232005076287498/sbfy03p0grie1.png?ex=67bdd74a&is=67bc85ca&hm=9b76f0e9f6d56d3d4b17b7db5de936e201c6df611b3d91f7c80e2f0f829bcac5&

@ancient reef

[lusty grotto]

oh funky never change

riparooni

[cerulean tusk]

[small steeple]

please don't give 'em ideas lmao

[cerulean tusk]

It will come for you

[lusty grotto]

is support bleed gonna make a comeback

and is 2h prot gonna make a comeback?

(:

i just realized support bleed was Nish's thing

[small steeple]

Cursed. Can't even shield slam then

[lusty grotto]

sorry funky

[small steeple]

No slam, no jam

[lusty grotto]

quick correction for 2h prot

[ancient reef]

what other tanks are yall gonna keep up with to start s2 waiting on that .5 patch meta shift

[small steeple]

slam jam

[zinc cobalt]

what it the talents for collosus build?

[cerulean tusk]

2h Pwarr took a giga hit with the execute no longer giving demo CDR

[small steeple]

look at @strong forum's wowhead guide

[lusty grotto]

true

fuck youre still saying "demo" for demolish

you son of a bitch

how could you do this to me

[cerulean tusk]

HueHueHue

Demo opop

[small steeple]

Demo shout?

[lusty grotto]

[cerulean tusk]

And so it begins

again

[lusty grotto]

indeed

[viral pebble]

Anyone got that defensive stance weakaura Critcake uses?

[dense remnant]

man, i wish i could open up the talent import codes easily in to wowhead calculator

[zinc cobalt]

Anyone know who is the wa or addons, critcake using and showing that damage of skills appear in top of target?

[cerulean tusk]

Go to Critcake's stream

write !wa or just read the description

[jagged pier]

well they arent updated so it complains

[cerulean tusk]

He also got his own server, I am sure

[dense remnant]

i know i can import them via copy paste, but its SO much work

[jagged pier]

but that bit there will do it

[dense remnant]

it works if you put it to PTR 11.1.0 mode in wowhead

[strong forum]

^

[dense remnant]

but ye, just would be nice if i didnt have to copy and paste 12 times to see different talent trees

[strong forum]

the website isnt on 11.1 and neither is the game

[dense remnant]

but im just lazy

[cerulean tusk]

Nome, you must stop confusing ppl tho. Next season make it so WoWhead doesnt hide col m+ build from the first hit in google >:/

[strong forum]

SIR

[cerulean tusk]

That is SER for you SIR

[cerulean tusk]

Hm, you updated this just now

Good

[strong forum]

yeah...

[cerulean tusk]

My job here is done

[strong forum]

just now or last night

who knows

[cerulean tusk]

Btw, didnt test at the end, the armor trinky still real good?

[strong forum]

armor trinky?

you mean tome?

[cerulean tusk]

Was that its name? No clue

[strong forum]

bro.

[cerulean tusk]

Brøh

[strong forum]

cant help you if you yourself dont know what you are asking

[cerulean tusk]

Why you think I ask?

[strong forum]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear#trinkets

[small steeple]

But seriously, is col pwar gonna get nerfed? I hope not, or not a big one

[strong forum]

check yourself

[cerulean tusk]

Never

[strong forum]

not a large one

we're not as far ahead as people make it out to be

its just EXCITING right now

cuz people didnt know it for 3 weeks like we did

[cerulean tusk]

Pwar is unlikely to get nerfed, if it isnt community outrage going on

[small steeple]

Outside of the secret degen builds but shhh

[strong forum]

we arent

like legit

people are going crazy cuz theres not enough real data around

[cerulean tusk]

VDH still beats us on funnel DPS, and mass AoE. BDK still beat us on ST (if you sim sang and not unholy). So yeah.
We shall see. But doubt we are "broken nerf nerf"

[small steeple]

Hmm, I guess my sims were using outdated apl for vdh and not using the max damage bdk one

[zinc cobalt]

only have this for prot, or have for anothers dps specs?

[strong forum]

every spec has this list

just search on wowhead

[lusty grotto]

typical knee jerk reactions

[strong forum]

[cerulean tusk]

Fury got kneecapped thanks to outcry

prot is not safe

[strong forum]

fury got kneecapped cuz of padding on very specific logs

and wrongful data evaluation

[cerulean tusk]

Well, forums was non-stop "OMG NERF FURY"

It was really really bad

HC week just made Fury look too strong. ppl had posts about Fury 1shotting packs, nerf nerf!

[small steeple]

Really? I thought arms did more than fury?

ohh for 11.0

didn't play that

[cerulean tusk]

We talking s1, ye

Now it is arms that will get the fire and hate first

[strong forum]

both fury and arms are extremely close on paper

[cerulean tusk]

Hopefully arms takes the hit for Prot, and prot isnt hit by the nerfs indirrectly

[small steeple]

Blizz won't do more, just got a flat 5% nerf so

[cerulean tusk]

They will do more tuning

[strong forum]

Demolish is likely to get reverted but i think that will be about it

[small steeple]

Any numbers on how much that will be? 5% aoe and 2-3% st?

(random numbers I spitballed)

[strong forum]

sounds about right

[cerulean tusk]

Demo is around 12% AoE, minus 30%, 4% ish

[small steeple]

Lol, love that just knowing the damage profile you can guestimate how much it would be

[strong forum]

thats how 90% of theorycrafting works

just use logic

[dense remnant]

@strong forum unless im completely cooked, the import codes for colossus "raid punish", "raid execute" and "Mythic+" are exactly the same on the wowhead guide. The pic is the one in all of those three. The thane import codes for those are different as I wouldve expected them.

[strong forum]

[dense remnant]

i dont think that's meant to be?

[strong forum]

lemme check

[dense remnant]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/talent-builds-pve-tank

[strong forum]

are you sure you arent missing details

[cerulean tusk]

Rebek doing the good work of QA testing

[strong forum]

yeh nah youre right

ill fix

[dense remnant]

im looking at the import code itself, which is CkEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAoxAAAAwMzMmZmBzyMLzMzstwYMTjZZMDjlxMzwyMzYGYYAAAAAAAzAAsstBAsZGDLkBmhFawC

[strong forum]

ye no is correct ill fix

[dense remnant]

👍

[cerulean tusk]

Rebek deserves a star emote ⭐

[strong forum]

k is fixed

[dense remnant]

i was just looking at the images, and i know im a noob at prot warrior, but "execute build" without any of the choice nodes that buff execute seemed a bit sus

[strong forum]

ye nah

[hardy snow]

I wonder what Blizzard will post first. Patch notes or extended maintenance note

[strong forum]

was 10034 instead of 10035 and 10036

[cerulean tusk]

Extended maintanance note, with giga nerfs for warrior (all specs) and Mage/Lock/Shaman buffs

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/the-book-of-boba-fett-this-is-the-way-the-armorer-mandalorian-gif-25545276

[dense remnant]

how long do you think it'll take to update on the site?

[cerulean burrow]

yeah prot definitely needs nerfs but this is okay nothing to see here (not dissing on kira by any means but im almost positive this is with not completely optimal rotation as i played VDH quite extensively this season to 3k and his opener was holy moly mackerel rough)

prots the op one though

(first pull workshop)

[strong forum]

correct

[urban portal]

isnt this just normal damage for tanks

[dense remnant]

posting pics of a single pull

[urban portal]

doing about half of dps

[dense remnant]

thats fun'

[strong forum]

Kira isnt known to play optimal rotations

[urban portal]

or am i tripping

[strong forum]

and hes probably also playing AR

instead of felscarred

Felscarred is the colossus of VDH

AR is the Thane

[cerulean tusk]

I would argue AR got a more valuable profile tho

Funnel OPOP

[strong forum]

sure but people dont care about that

[cerulean burrow]

yeah my thing was the 3 million healing but yeah i mean its VDH

but still

[strong forum]

they only look at overall

[cerulean tusk]

Ye, that is true

[strong forum]

HPS is irrelevant

kek

[cerulean tusk]

HPS = important? No wonder BDK is S+++++++++++++

[cerulean burrow]

and the dmg just how is prot on the metaphorical chopping block

allegedly

[strong forum]

on that same pull ppal does 17mil dps btw

sooooo

🙂

[cerulean burrow]

lmao

[strong forum]

people are just overhyping pwar

[cerulean burrow]

thats waht it feels like yea

[strong forum]

and ignoring that other tanks are capable of ROUGHLY similar things

[jagged pier]

yer but kira like ppala nome so its not an issue

when that does damage

[strong forum]

yoda*

Kira enjoys Pwar

[cerulean tusk]

Yoda is BDK fan, no?

That and VDH

All based on the lists and tweets thrown into here with their names :v

[lilac basalt]

isn't he a content creator who says whatever brings him more clicks?

[cerulean tusk]

If that is true, it makes sense and I respect that

[urban portal]

hps is not really a real metric either

if shield block/stagger cleansing counted in hps

[dense remnant]

ok the import links are updated now with a refresh 🙏

[urban portal]

we would be double theirs

[cerulean tusk]

L take, HPS is giga important

HPS is most of my 100 logs

[urban portal]

thats why i played venthyr prot warrior

to top hps

[hardy snow]

no way someone would do that!

[tribal wharf]

i dont know what heals druids have but that they have all kinds and some take them out of form

i cant imagine prot paladin does alot of self hps

[cyan bronze]

it’s ok

[tribal wharf]

or no, i was going to say druid would self hps the most of tanks, but i wouldnt it be monk with stagger

or is that not healing

at a certain point with hps, if you have a enough hp and drs, effectively immortal

[urban portal]

monk stagger doesnt go on the HPS meters

[slim pier]

this is crazy

Firelands tier set lmfao

I'm on classic rn and saw this

[jagged pier]

dragon soul

[tribal wharf]

this was a talent in df. x something

[slim pier]

oh yeah it is

[jagged pier]

and all tanks had the same

[slim pier]

Dragon soul

[tribal wharf]

df.0 or some shit

[jagged pier]

i.e defensive is now raid wide

[tribal wharf]

the df one was party wide and short lived

till like df.0.5 somethin

[urban portal]

it didnt make it out of beta

[tribal wharf]

i think it was live for a few days or weeks at least

how about that but it makes you immobilized and using shield block

[rose karma]

is there a section for macros in this discord?

[jagged pier]

we dont really use macros the ones u can should be on wowhead

[rose karma]

nah i meant general macro help really, not warrior specific. though it is on my warrior

#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,mod:alt]charge;[mod:Shift]Challenging Shout;shield slam

this is what i have but i want my alt macro to cast ignore pain when i press it along with charge

[dense remnant]

why wouldnt you just have different keybinds with the modifiers?

[rose karma]

cant figure it out

[rose karma]

just to have it on the same bind, my old man hands cant stretch that far

[tribal wharf]

voice activated wow when

[dense remnant]

you can have a spell bound to 1, a different spell bound to shift+1, and another on alt+1

you dont have to use macros for that

[rose karma]

ya no i get that i just wanted advice to get ignore pain to work on the alt modifier of that macro line. all good ill take it to reddit or something thanks.

[dense remnant]

i gave you a simpler solution, and you dont wanna do that?

thats interesting

cos that also just makes the charge+IP macro a breeze

can just have

/cast ignore pain```

having modifiers in a macro hasnt been necessary since like half a year after vanilla wow launched

[verbal venture]

The problem is, why/when you want to cast IP with charge?

[small steeple]

reduce the amount of off gcd IP casts, you generate rage with charge and makes it easier for some people

[verbal venture]

You use charge in the middle of the pull? I use it at start so no rage for the IP in the macro

[small steeple]

I mean, not anymore? Back in SL with banner warrior and the SL legendary? Hell yeah I did

Also, maybe could just be a way to reduce keybinds? So its IP but when out of range it will also charge you? 2 in 1

[hardy snow]

You use charge at start of fight, and at start of fight you want to spend your rage on shield block first, not IP

[small steeple]

I mean yeah, but I was trying to justifiy and give the benefit to someone elses macro. Plus you use shield charge to get SB at start of pull now

[pallid quiver]

no you press charge + avatar to get SB at the start

[small steeple]

I feel like there is a miscommunication here

[mighty valley]

i guess i see the idea but i think it's really just solved by having IP on as accessible a bind as possible

it can't be saving that much hand stress by adding Alt to charge instead of just pressing your IP bind

but hey, who knows, maybe the poster has just found a chaotic series of weird mixed binds that works for them

[small steeple]

Some people can't use shift/alt type keybinds for some reason or another. Either a physical disability or something else

[mighty valley]

yeah but this poster is explicitly asking to make alt+charge add IP too

[small steeple]

But I agree, I just keep it all separate myself tbh

[verbal venture]

This... i can understand if you macro SB on charge... but if you have hand problem, bind IP on mouseweel

[mighty valley]

even that's kind of risky, don't necessarily just want to burn rage on SB on a mid-combat charge

[verbal venture]

You "need" to have 100% uptime on SB, plus you can't waste a SB. So in my mind IP is burning rage, SB is always correct

[small steeple]

random SB usage will lead to wasted charges, leading to not having 100% uptime

But I learned prot warrior in BFA, so that might be that coming through

[cold tapir]

I was thinking of making a Charge + Shield Charge macro to not waste potential tier set procs, but that shit is bugged still

[lusty grotto]

depends a lot on talents

HR or ITF, there is potential for wasted SBs

but

[strong forum]

You can't rly waste SB

[lusty grotto]

overall its not as bad as BFA

[strong forum]

Just press SC when ready

[mighty valley]

yeah there is a duration cap on the sb buff, i don't know if it's likely to hit it in s2. i was just thinking more about how especially next patch, you want to spend rage on purpose and not bake it randomly into other buttons

[cold tapir]

Yeah I just wanted to use it off gcd with charge

[strong forum]

Only when you're 8yd+ away from mobs

[chilly brook]

@strong forum normal dorf or DiD?

[strong forum]

Then SC turns off-gcd

Normal

However

If you accidentally use SC + charge at the same time

You put both on cd

And don't get the buffs from SC

So you just waste it

Don't macro them together

[lusty grotto]

put dn on cd

[cold tapir]

Yep and only get shield block + revenge proc, no rage or dmg

[strong forum]

And don't use SC regularly as charge

Only if need be or it's a literal plan

[chilly brook]

I don't wanna be dorf 😦

but seems way too troll to not be this season

[strong forum]

?

[lusty grotto]

be what you wanna be

[strong forum]

Then don't

Like huh

You aren't pushing title keys

So why give a fuck

[cerulean tusk]

Nelf is tank BiS, you can save yourself from bad co-tank

[strong forum]

And even then, you only give a fuck if you don't care about money

[chilly brook]

attempting to push as high as I can tbf

[lusty grotto]

short races are always cool

[chilly brook]

And I'd rather have more control than less

[lusty grotto]

have i told you guys i always swap to gnome on the recalibrator

[strong forum]

Controlking your wallet is also a skill

[lusty grotto]

gnome is so fucking funny

[dusky canopy]

Dwarf is the best

[cerulean tusk]

With Aug gone from the meta, bleeds will be more dangerous, so dworf aint a bad pick. But, even for title it wont be necessary - just a neat bonus.

[lusty grotto]

charge in "LOOK AT THE BABY GO"

[strong forum]

It's a vidya game

Do what you want

[chilly brook]

I don't go to chipotle twice

[dusky canopy]

Blizzard please let me be any race/passive combination!!!

[chilly brook]

ez pz

[chilly brook]

honestly so true

[strong forum]

If you feel like you want to spend the money to go dwarf to have the QoL of removing debuffs every 2 minutes

Then do it

I ain't yo mama

[chilly brook]

or better yetv

just remove racials

[dusky canopy]

[cerulean tusk]

Friendly reminder that meld can be used to break boss CDs too

[chilly brook]

combat racials that is

[lusty grotto]

agreed !

i wanna be gnome

[dusky canopy]

Meld is easily the strongest M+ racial* hands down no exceptions

You can just not be effected by literally anything

Because you can just meld it

[cerulean tusk]

Meld isnt a passive tho

=.= nelf passive is dodge and haste/crit

[dusky canopy]

You’re right oops

Meant racial

[strong forum]

Dorf is 2% crit dam

Very complimentary with colossus

[cerulean tusk]

Why crit 2% harder, when you could dodge 2% more often

[lusty grotto]

why eat when you can eat rocks, or rocket jump like an idiot

[urban bane]

or live out your early 2000s emo fantasies and be a void elf

[cerulean tusk]

Few things feels as good as tank mechanic doing 0, and all you see is that "Dodge" text

[lusty grotto]

2% more satisfying than parry

[dusky canopy]

1.98%

[lusty grotto]

1.98667

%

[cerulean tusk]

Parry fail? Just dodge

gg ez

[dusky canopy]

1.9876305

%

[lusty grotto]

[cerulean tusk]

Is there a better racial passive than 2% dodge for tanks?

[lusty grotto]

people think 0.001% drop rates are satisfying

imagine dodging

https://tenor.com/view/cat-shocked-shocked-face-gasp-omg-gif-17083293

[cerulean tusk]

Few things beat that feeling of seeing the whole group go to 10% or dead. And you stand there at 100% hp, untouched.

Dodge BiS

[lusty grotto]

true and real

[winged brook]

Does anyone here play prot and fury/arms on 1 char?

[cerulean tusk]

Yes, why?

[dusky canopy]

Just use whatever gear you have

You’ll do great

[winged brook]

Idk tbh I was gonna ask is it hard to get gear for the other spec but problably not lol

[toxic gyro]

Night elf way better than dwOrf. When bozo huntard pulls extra pack for you thinking he knows dungeon better than you, just shadowmeld.

[winged brook]

Sounds like a silly question now that i think of it

[cerulean tusk]

NELF! NELF! NELF!

Glad you caught yourself, McC

[toxic gyro]

Not to mention than nelfs are looking so much better than dwarfs.

[dusky canopy]

I always start the season optimizing my preferred spec and then slowly over the season build off spec gear sets

[sharp gale]

Well you can’t compare since in both races you don’t play the same genre because the other one is ugly

Bc sry male dwarf is better than male nelf

[dusky canopy]

You can realistically play all 3 specs in any gear

[toxic gyro]

Actually true. I still wouldn’t play dwarf unless I was pushing r1 keys.

[vocal cave]

cant play prot with 2 hander

[sharp gale]

Nothing stops you

[vocal cave]

death stops me D:

[sharp gale]

Launch a key with a 2 hander as prot trust me you can time it

[dusky canopy]

Guaranteed there’s atleast one key with 0% block uptime

Thunderclap hero

[sharp gale]

Since I’m the type to do stupid shit like playing with 1 sequence macro, I’ll try after raid

I think I can TIME a +3

With a 2 hander as prot

[unborn island]

It's probably easier as fury in defensive stance?

[cerulean tusk]

Guys, ya can do 2h prot

trust

I am the expert when it comes to this

[oak ivy]

Im a dragon cuz I like the way my mog looks on em and I needed wing flappa to survive ansurek 👨‍🦽

[sharp gale]

Fury with a shield

[cerulean tusk]

Just remember to go Thane if you are going 2h prot

https://tenor.com/view/chibi-cute-xtremeverse-xtreme-maid-gif-13990892928966502509

it is time

[sweet summit]

you still have time to quit...

[strong forum]

nothing new on it

[pastel geyser]

hows prot looking next season? is it true it's kind of the worst tank?

[hardy snow]

lets not talk about it

[strong forum]

imagine how s1 prot is

now buff this by 30%

voila

this is prot in s2

[cerulean tusk]

"so we dead?"

[lusty grotto]

giga

[pastel geyser]

well i havent played m+ since the prot pally buffs

so idk much after that

i know it was rly good before that

[cerulean tusk]

We still blast, only more

[strong forum]

we are completely fine

everyone who rated pwar low is a clown

[cyan bronze]

MY KING YODA SAID ITS SECRET S++++ BIS TIER

🧱

[strong forum]

we are one if not the highest dps tank

and gained bunch of defensive prowess as colossus

[sweet summit]

HOLY COMMON YODA W LETSGOOOOOO 🎦

[strong forum]

thane remains alright

[cerulean tusk]

We overtook BDK as S+++++?

Hell yea

[hollow aspen]

The general warrior tree feels so much better in 11.1

[cerulean tusk]

Tierlists are fun

[lusty grotto]

no u

u are fun

[cerulean tusk]

d'aww gorsh

Any 2h improvements ya guys spot?

[twin hill]

how is thane vs. colossus looking in s2? not a big colossus fan tbh

[strong forum]

theres a neat comparison on wowhead

[ember token]

They still did put 30% demo on Arms

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/MGl46MS.png

[strong forum]

cuz its not intended for us to have it

so we currently do 4% more dmg than we should

[urban bane]

Are they able to have separate spell data for demolish arms vs demolish prot?

[strong forum]

not yet

xd

[urban bane]

l m a o

[strong forum]

will take a while before they fix that

[urban portal]

like technology wise? yes

[urban bane]

That is hilarious

[urban portal]

are they doing it? who knows

[urban bane]

i guess that explains the various hooks into spec abilities in most hero trees

"buff revenge by x and cleave by y"

[strong forum]

initially

they were never seperated

none of the hero talent tree IDs

they had to all do this live

[chilly brook]

I can't wait to absolutely demolish keys tomorrow

[strong forum]

can already today

could all of s1

[pastel geyser]

is the double use of correctly a typo in that immovable object sentence? :D

[strong forum]

oh

xdd

[chilly brook]

I have been it's more of a pun than anything

But the damage bump just passively is going to be nice to mess around with

[strong forum]

fixed

ye all warri specs getting a ~35% dmg buff is nice

[chilly brook]

Also should be nice to feel a bit more tanky in colo

[strong forum]

extremely

IO is big

[chilly brook]

going to try to do at least a 15 next week

hopefully that will translate to a 10 or close to a 10 on season open

weird how the official patch notes don't mention how much key levels are going to drop

[strong forum]

yeah just dont bother

with trying to fish a key

[chilly brook]

I'm mostly doing it for fun

[strong forum]

its prolly gonna be like 10lvl reduction

[chilly brook]

if I don't get one eh who cares

[strong forum]

or straight reset

[chilly brook]

but it'll be good practice with new colo

"new"

suppose with colo changes to tankiness would have been a better way to phrase that

[twin hill]

thank you man, appreciate it

[small steeple]

typo?????

I also noticed that they kept the demolish buff specific to arms, I wonder if prot will still get it

[strong forum]

no typos.

[small steeple]

so 26%? not the 20%? let me rephrase, so its a 26% aura buff, not a 20%? Where did the extra 6% come from?

[frosty holly]

Magic waves hands

[cyan bronze]

we had an earlier aura buff

iirc

from the 20%

[strong forum]

we received a 5% aura buff

before the 20% aura buff

which combined is a 26% buff

[cyan bronze]

Protection PTR Changes
Protection love this week, with buffs intended to smooth out rage income and and increase Shield Slam damage to compensate for less resets
Spec Aura buffed from +36 -> 43% (+5%).

[strong forum]

^

[cyan bronze]

& then the 20%

combines to 26^

[small steeple]

Do you know/think they removed the demolish buff from prot? I notice its still under arms

[strong forum]

they didnt yet

cuz its the same spell

they have to manually create a new spell

[small steeple]

Yeah, theyd need to make a spec aura to tune that knobe yeah?

[vocal cave]

whats bear aura at? 200%?

[small steeple]

Blood's like 300% now

[strong forum]

bear aura is like 90%

[cerulean tusk]

No, they just too lazy to fix notes - they just compile em as written :v

[blissful pecan]

bear at a very reasonable 128, don't look at thrash aura though

[small steeple]

lmao

[inner forge]

What hero talent will be the go to in s2?

[urban bane]

w aura very demure very mindful

[inner forge]

Will colusus be viable?

[urban bane]

You could say that. :)

[small steeple]

where do you find the aura's in the database again?

I can never find em

[blissful pecan]

I just go on wowhead, look at any trinket and you can see the tank/healer auras below

just mouse over the spec

[vague stump]

did they change the "unintended" prot buff from colossus? cant find anything in the official patch notes

[cyan bronze]

no

[cerulean tusk]

we will know for sure when the patch goes live

before then, who really knows

Seems intended tho, cause if you nerf Demo, it falls quite low on the dam portion

[strong forum]

its not intended

but it will take a while before its fixed

[cerulean tusk]

No way they want demo to be 10% ish of our dam

that is low-trash-tier boring zzz tier

[strong forum]

sir

[small steeple]

huh?

[cerulean tusk]

It means it doesnt do enough to activate neurons

[strong forum]

this is my dmg breakdown

FROM SEASON 1

[cerulean tusk]

Bump that another good 30%

[small steeple]

Demolish activates big neurons. MMM bignumber big smash

[cerulean tusk]

Exactly

Dont nerf number, only buff

[small steeple]

Big good

[cerulean tusk]

Nerf revenge if Demo big is a problem

[cyan bronze]

no

nerf ppal if demo big is a problem

[cerulean tusk]

This is acceptable

[bleak breach]

@strong forum did the take away the damage boost to Demolish for us from ptr? I only see it on arms

[small steeple]

Same way it was originally

[cyan bronze]

just blizz being weird

[strong forum]

it was never intended for us to get it

but Demolish is shared between Arms and Prot

[bleak breach]

Still chunks anyway so it’s no biggy lol

[cerulean tusk]

Too late now, cause we got it

No takesiebaksies

[small steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/213770533769052162/1343666773798551582/image0.gif

[bleak breach]

Some solid changes to test out tomorrow.

[cerulean tusk]

Just please keep in mind, we are balanced around max ilvl and tiersets

[bleak breach]

On quest adds that will die on first SS we do because they drop the patch and don’t realise content for a week…

[cerulean tusk]

plz keep that in mind

[bleak breach]

Yeah 100%

What ilvl are we replacing hero quality Queen ring?

[small steeple]

Once you got an equal ilvl with good stats basically

[vale escarp]

do we go for IO befor we get tierset or just after?

[small steeple]

Tset won't touch anything related to IO

[strong forum]

we go IO as soon as patch launches

cuz class tree changes

[vale escarp]

doesnt it work with 2set shildwall?

[strong forum]

no

we just get a free point

[vale escarp]

2 bad

[strong forum]

and IO is the best choice for colossus

[vale escarp]

good to know

[cerulean burrow]

yeah i mean right this second on live servers doing 3 minutes of rotation and accounting for rage spending on shield block and ignore pain and shit as if i was in an actual dungeon this was my dmg profile

so gonna be kinda neat messing around with new one

[bleak breach]

Current tier sucks anyway so just act like you have 11.1 tier lol

[vale escarp]

but what about battering Ram?

[strong forum]

thats only with 4pc

[vale escarp]

so ravager without 4pc?

[strong forum]

ye

[vale escarp]

any other changes for the tierset?

[strong forum]

nah

[chilly brook]

love how streamers play colo on ptr once and they're like "maybe warrior isn't actually so bad"

[inner belfry]

I want streamers to stop realizing this

[cerulean tusk]

I wish I was there to see the light ignite in their dead eyes

"..."
"..."
"... wait."
"WAIT!"

[urban portal]

tuning knob isnt too hard

you just add a spell into the aura

theyve done it plenty of times

if thye dont want to do it its just lazy

[pallid quiver]

hear me out

there's some crazy dude with a sword in their office, demanding they don't give it the tuning knobs

and nobody can be arsed to call the police or something, so they just comply

[nocturne spindle]

Im gonna be that guy since I dont see it anywhere

so for M+ colossus is better now?

[spring cedar]

unless

[heady jetty]

I'm i blind or no pins for the season 2 builds?

[violet ginkgo]

the build not change much I think?

[strong forum]

everything is on wowhead

all up to date and ready to go

[ember token]

Hm... raid bis weapon has str too, right? RIGHT?

[strong forum]

yes?

[strong forum]

oh

nvm ig

i fix

[ember token]

🙂

[obsidian cairn]

Stupid question, what’s IO?

[strong forum]

immovable object

[strong forum]

should be fixed everywhere now

[obsidian cairn]

Gotcha

[strong forum]

63%

ye with tier uuuh

lemme check

[pallid quiver]

I think that's more int than I've ever had in this game on my War

i would be unstoppable

a genius among the lands

[strong forum]

on paper with bis gear its 89% apparently

https://i.imgur.com/nraP6Up.png

89% uptime on battering ram

if youre skilled, maybe?

hard to tell

[pallid quiver]

and if you actually have tier

and it hasn't been all chucked at the DPS

[strong forum]

depends on your own comfort

[pallid quiver]

Easier than in times prior thanks to guaranteed tier+charges

[strong forum]

i would certainly run it on early bosses

[pallid quiver]

bold of you to assume i play enough to even get 2 p by week 8 smh

[cyan bronze]

holy

is that 90% block uptime no +2 sec or hr?

[strong forum]

ye

[cyan bronze]

that’s nice

[strong forum]

this is with 3.3 casts of SC per minute

but this isnt realistic

[cyan bronze]

ya

[strong forum]

as tierset is rppm

this is the average

[cyan bronze]

so itf with +2 sec talent should be comfy

[strong forum]

not the expected value

ITF is always played with new tier

[dense remnant]

I'll make my dh co-tank actually tank the boss, so I can press execute

[cyan bronze]

ye thank god

[strong forum]

i mean

[cyan bronze]

fuck hr

[strong forum]

HR was only a play in keys when you had dogshit haste

and, i never had that

except for like 1 week

soooOOOOooOooo

[cyan bronze]

it was less comfy with circlet but ye

still playable

[dense remnant]

Ye but you're not as bad as me

[strong forum]

just use haste flask at that point

[cyan bronze]

i think some people played hr in boralus also, no?

for tooth breaky

[strong forum]

hardly anyone is as good as me

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/licking-lips-dinosaur-dramatic-anime-evil-gif-27695803

Question is now, based on what is shown - that is 100% active uptime or your shieldblock isnt 100%

[strong forum]

thats just an average of 10000 iterations

real results will vary each fight

[lusty grotto]

when will you hook me up with your god tier RNG drops

[strong forum]

execute still hits harder than your dad

lol

like huh

[lusty grotto]

wha

my dad hit pretty hard, ngl

[strong forum]

how would you miss demolish?

your only generator of stacks in ST is Shield Slam

[pallid quiver]

did he use the metal part of the belt

[strong forum]

which is your highest prio

you just replace revenge with execute

nothing else

[lusty grotto]

absolutely, belt was enchanted and mana oiled

belt buckle prio

[strong forum]

execute gets buffed by 10%

and tierset is better

our execute is better

compared to live

yes cuz we get buffed by over 30%

like with jugg build our execute will hit almost 10million

thats pretty big