protection

[round cliff]

for smth u press once an hour?

ill manage

[dense remnant]

except for mana oil/flask/food

[unborn island]

I also do this, that and my mounts

[round cliff]

Z is my mount key

[unborn island]

And invis pot

[round cliff]

theres no other conveniently bindable set of 12 keys that i dont already use

so it has to be the fkeys

[dense remnant]

how about F9-12?

[round cliff]

what about em

theyre bound too

[dense remnant]

huh?

[round cliff]

my mouse buttons are f1-f12

all of em

[dense remnant]

ah

[unborn island]

My thumb dexterity isn't that good and I use X for throw, so don't really want to have anything else close - imagine trying to mount for a skip and just...heroic throwing

[round cliff]

f13 and f14 too

cuz they technically exist

[dense remnant]

you using the numpad keybinds?

[round cliff]

shit games dont recognize numpad input as separate from number row input

[dense remnant]

dont f12-24 exist as well,?

[round cliff]

so i cant use numpad binds

[dense remnant]

yeah mine doesnt for the numbers, for all of the other buttons on numpad it does

like numlock, /, *, -, +, enter, ,

[round cliff]

there aint 12 of those

and they aint numbers

i like seeing something bound to f6 and im like ok thats mouse button 6

[dense remnant]

fair enough

what mouse are you using btw

[round cliff]

scimitar

i used to use a g600

then they got discontinued

[dense remnant]

kk

[timid jasper]

Should I loot as fury/arms ?

[dense remnant]

im just looking at my g502 keybinds selections, and it recognizes the binds as separate buttons, like mousebutton 3-6, and can keybinds them to F13-25 if needed as well

wouldve thought that all other manufacturer's would have the same kind of functionality, but apparently not

[dense remnant]

[unborn island]

Yeah I was thinking about this too - mine are just mouse button[x]

Side note - is it worth getting some practice in as colossus now if it's going to be m+ meta next season for us? Is the standard col prot build the best way to do it, or will the playstule be materially different?

[sharp rapids]

Except that it weighs more than a brick, has terrible Omron 60M switches that are notorious for double clicking and dying in general, that Logitech doesn't know how to make a good software or firmware so the Logitech G client lags out/crashes your PC, your mouse forgets it's profiles repeatedly, etc

The button placements and the scroll wheel are the only good things about the mouse

[dense remnant]

weird, ive not had almost any of those issues myself, after using a g502 or it's predecessors for close to 15 years

[sharp rapids]

Doesn't WoW let you use F13-F24?

[round cliff]

yea it do

[sharp rapids]

So why not use those

[round cliff]

dont wanna

[dense remnant]

Based on what ive seen here, its gonna be quite similar to what it is now, at least the playstyle seems to be the same. But if you scroll up a bit, there's some discussion about builds

[timid jasper]

My binds are cursed lol

[unborn island]

Yeah, I feel a lot of the build chat leverages the tier, which I won't have now/later, so wondering how to create something which is a close enough approximation....

Without playing on PTR 🙂

Alternatively I might just keep playing thane

[small steeple]

why not 1 through =?

[round cliff]

i use those for their own things

[small steeple]

So you have 1-= on keyboard, and use your mouse for f1-f12?

[bold torrent]

Is prot warrior dealing dps dmg on bosses on ptr legit or is it just a bait? I am ready to reroll to prot warrior https://clips.twitch.tv/SparklyEnticingBobaPJSugar-CPFz0owxD9bPlZBZ

[small steeple]

I mean, this is real, but it will likely be somewhat nerfed

Also the fact that it took this long for streamers to show this off is hilarious

[mint knot]

Shit, we gonna get turbo nerfed

[small steeple]

Not gonna be *too *bad. I mean, for anyone who actually looked into it, col pwar has been doing this much damage since the last round of pwar changes really.

[crimson furnace]

no one was playing a decent collossus specc on stream

and kira started last night from zero

and look at him now

[dense remnant]

im rly liking the new circles on ground

[crimson furnace]

he was doing 1.1m dmg ST in his 1st run

[dense remnant]

the showcase didnt do them justice

[crimson furnace]

now he finished in 2.1

[mint knot]

tbf he's in ToP with decent spell reflect value, sham buff and MoTW

[small steeple]

ToP needs to bring back degen banner warrior

[bold torrent]

overall in the +15 top

[small steeple]

That fire mage damage is so sad wtf

[bold torrent]

the feral and mage both had around 5 deaths each

which adds to prot looking better obvs

[small steeple]

5 deaths wouldn't explain fire damage being so low? Unless fire is just low performing on ptr? I know feral is stonks on ptr right?

(i dont play mage so no clue how it works beyond ignite and carriyng to next pack etc)

[urban bane]

it is gingi xdd

[bold torrent]

aszuna pumps a lot when fire mage, think it wasn't gingis best run ngl

[dense remnant]

its a single screenshot of a single dungeon where they were deliberately trolling sometimes, not playing with cds or anything

[small steeple]

does gingi have a reputation?

[dense remnant]

its a single data point, that has close to zero useful info to glean from

[small steeple]

I dont follow wow streamers

[urban bane]

Rebek, sure, but it is undeniable that prot warrior has good damage.

[bold torrent]

I don't think it shows anything consistent but it does show something that is hard for other tanks to replicate

[urban bane]

And it is now gonna get nerfed

was just a matter of when in the first place haha but it was close to going live like this

[mint knot]

Well, feels like we only got 1 thing going on in our favor. Which is the damage tuning. If this gets nerfed we're kinda screwed

[small steeple]

Well sims have been showing this for close to 2/3 weeks now too for anyone who cared to look

[urban bane]

DPS warrior said the same thing when they were topping the other DPS.

And they got a 5% nerf

[small steeple]

I mean, DPS warrior is still really strong, at least arms is.

[urban bane]

Yes, it is

And even if we took a reasonable nerf

we'd be quite strong still :)

Perhaps not this strong though

[small steeple]

Yeah, I've been caught between choosing my vdh or pwar for next season for basically this entire ptr cycle lol

[urban bane]

The "only thing warrior has going for it" is not an argument in blizzard's mind

[sturdy topaz]

Coming from prot pal, I'm used to rotating CDs aggressively to live bosses. Only on mid level keys for the Warr but finding it can live a lot raw (just SB/IP) even with my crap gear. Is that right? Or is it an illusion that disappears once you get to 12+

[small steeple]

melee_attacks=="warrior take small damage"

[urban bane]

you have crazy cdr on pwar, too

so pressing your cds on cd is important

unless you know youll need it in next pack

[sturdy topaz]

Could be a just forgot what 7s are like. I bearly even notice the busters

[mint knot]

Funny how everyone been saying colossus numbers are really strong for a couple of weeks now and none of the streamers/creators tested it

Lol

[mild river]

That's exactly what I'm thinking too

[mint knot]

C-tier

[urban bane]

almost as if streamer knowledge is limited despite them establishing what communities sees as viable?

imagine that

[crimson furnace]

so trueee

the difference in kiraprotwarr and yoda

insane

i still cant belive they are playing the same specc/class

fucking yoda

/spit

[mint knot]

Kira is just HIM bro.

[urban bane]

im not saying yoda or whoever are bad lol. just they didnt have knowledge or curiosity to test

[mint knot]

Ngl the difference in pwar from yesterday to now is huge, also he listened to us when we tried explaining the build. Meanwhile Yoda was dissing on his chat

[crimson furnace]

100% @mint knot

[mint knot]

Even after getting smoked by Kira on the meter which is just crazy

I bet yoda makes a video today or tomorrow saying prot war bugged af asking for giga nerf

🤦‍♂️

[crimson furnace]

its like this for the past 2 weeks

[urban bane]

nah he was saying eventually yesterday that he was going to update it on the tier list xdd

anyway the whole thing is amusing for sure

[urban bane]

haha i was just memeing. he's a very vocal and passionate echo raider who posts on twitter often :)

[small steeple]

100% hilarious. Funny thing is, I was talking to Tacktys some, and was asking him to help me choose between pwar or vdh for next season, and when I said pwar pumps damage he agreed that it was insane. So at least 1 of em knew

[urban bane]

♥️

[strong forum]

Top is also a horrible dungeon for casters

There are 0 big pulls

Only 3-5 target pulls

It favours pwar extremely

And melee dps in general

[small steeple]

Oh that is very true. Fire is all about chaining them ignites into massive pulls yeah?

[strong forum]

idk how fire works after its 3 reworks every season

but thats generally the idea

to pump big prio dmg that then cleaves into aoe

which colossus also does, with giga hard hitting executes and revenge spam

[small steeple]

mmmm revenge go brr 😋

[crimson furnace]

nomieee, thoughts on the recent madness around kiraprotwarr, big gamer

what are ur thoughts about the last 24h of stream prot warrior gaming?

[strong forum]

nothing except: i told you so

[urban bane]

ive been hoping nome would say it hahaha

[small steeple]

nerf big? or will be small? me warrior brain scared

[vague condor]

Is survivability an issue? Damage can be goated but if you die it doesn’t matter. All you hear is unkillable pally or self sustain monster DH

[strong forum]

you have 3million shieldwalls

[urban bane]

he removed io

[strong forum]

depends how much other tanks are doing

theres no good benchmark currently

[mint knot]

Prot war is balanced

[strong forum]

hes doing prot pally dmg

not exactly special rn

[crimson furnace]

u sure about prot palla dmg?? Im looking at him and he is doing 800K more avg atm at this point at overall

then a pally

🤷🏻‍♂️

[strong forum]

is your point of reference before the 20% aura buff every tank had gotten?

or recently

[crimson furnace]

recenly

pala was doing 2.8m by the dog boss

he is at 3.44 atm

this is for the average part of the reccount

[lavish rose]

Does protwar pump in st/raid as well? Is the raid too much magic damage for warrs to be good on it? Is magic damage still a weakness or is that a past stereotype? They do have a couple talents affecting magic damage reduction from def stance, block spell and spell reflect + wall being %DR no?

Because looking at the tankbusters, most look to be either magic or split

[strong forum]

raid tanking hasnt been an issue

since forever

and if sims can be trusted, pwar does currently the most by a significant margin

but we will see in actual environments when the patch hits

sims only tell half of the story

[dense remnant]

are the highest sims with the execute build, or?

[lavish rose]

Yeah that's also dummping rage in execute instead of ip no?

[strong forum]

well ofc highest sim is execute build

and you sure as shit use execute

but even the normal punish build is significantly ahead

of other tanks

[lavish rose]

or does the apl contemplate a reasonable split between IP and exec rage spending?

[urban bane]

while raid tanking you can only press ip dont ya know ;)

[strong forum]

APL uses IP to prevent overcapping

always has

APL has practically not changed since DF beta

[lavish rose]

lmao yeah right good luck healers I gotta get that parse

[strong forum]

so its not an APL thing that "suddenly" we do top ST

[urban bane]

ip doesnt save you while raid tanking your cooldowns do

[strong forum]

if your tank needs healing...

in raid

outside of very specific mechanics

then idk chief

[lavish rose]

Oh that much? Hm

[mint knot]

Arms/Fury/VDH players rejoicing Pwar takes all the heat out of nowhere

KEK

[crimson furnace]

live

petko style

:))))

from a C tier

to PARRYGODX

reeeeeal BAD MAN!!

[urban bane]

LMAO

[crimson furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/ninjaman-ninja-jamaican-badman-real-badman-gif-4525274739014004288

[strong forum]

xdd

[lavish rose]

havoc bugged?

[strong forum]

"nobody knew"

[crimson furnace]

omg

he is like

not even theorycrafter kjnew

hahahahah

[jagged pier]

nah no one knew

[lavish rose]

knew what?

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

about there being a 2nd hero talent tree

hidden tech

[urban bane]

maybe im being vindictive and need to touch some grass but it'd be nice to see some humility from content creators. but i guess humility doesnt come easy to someone who streams on twitch to large audiences

[jagged pier]

wait? we have 2?

[jagged pier]

LUL

say they dont know everything about the game?

how will ppl ever trust them again

[strong forum]

tbf yoda did say in his ranking video a while ago that hes not good at pwar so

[urban bane]

yeah that's true

[lavish rose]

bannable hax

[crimson furnace]

and he did 90% thane testing

yoda

that is

[hardy snow]

yet he still tries to tell people whether its good or not

[dense remnant]

Am i doing something horribly wrong, by only being able to get 64% uptime on shield block when hitting a single target dummy for 6mins. I was running in to the fray and massacre, instead of the ones that increase shield block duration. Or is that expected uptime with this talent setup?

[strong forum]

thats expected

cuz you only have 1 ITF stack

without block extension talents you will have low SB uptime

thats entirely normal

[dense remnant]

ah, that makes sense, forgot about that stacking being a thing

[lavish rose]

that and remember to use shield charge as an extra sb charge just in case+

[strong forum]

well entire tierset revolves around SC

[dense remnant]

ye i was doing that

[strong forum]

so use that mf on CD

[dense remnant]

whats the expected CD on shield charge with the new tier?

[strong forum]

roughly 50% CDR on average id say

so across an entire dungeon you should get like 2.3cpm?

maybe kira is logging lemme see

[unborn island]

With 50% CDR on SC surely ITF is mandatory? We shouldn't get any block downtime?

[strong forum]

is not

[strong forum]

"mandatory" is the wrong word, but yes

[unborn island]

(I haven't looked at all the spec suggestions, so maybe this is given)

[strong forum]

ITF in all situations

[unborn island]

Meta

[strong forum]

better

[unborn island]

Sorry, mandatory is a silly word

[strong forum]

is the right word

just better

[dense remnant]

how easy is it to get max stacks of ITF while raid tanking? 🤔

[strong forum]

pretty easy given that melees exist

and pets

[urban bane]

man this petko guy keeps saying "nobody found it til last night" ahhhh

[dense remnant]

feel like 10 yards is small range

[strong forum]

dw

10yd radius is VERY large

[dense remnant]

aight aight

[strong forum]

thats 10yd to the left front back and right

[unborn island]

So how hard is the nerfbat gonna be do we reckon, or do you think we will be allowed to remain stronk because the dungeon damage profile will mean we are squishy?

[dense remnant]

ye, just was thinking of the massive ass t-rex and gorilla fight, where all the melee and pets are on the other side of the boss

[strong forum]

cant state anything until we see ACTUAL benchmarks from all tanks

[lavish rose]

and trying to predict bliz reactions is also futile

[strong forum]

like if it was up to me anything from a 5-10% aura nerf

or no touch at all

[crimson furnace]

blizz said they ar ehappy with warrior

[strong forum]

who knows

[crimson furnace]

and ty for the feedback from community

easy ggs

[mint knot]

5% aura nerf and we chilling

prot war meta

[lavish rose]

strange things have been allowed to remain and small things have been squashed like it was a personal insult to Ion

[mint knot]

let's fking go

tbf aldrachi vdh also has like 1.8-1.9m ST sim, no?

[lavish rose]

bfa levels of meta if this stands?

[mint knot]

not far off

[lavish rose]

or is this memeing

[dense remnant]

everything is a meme

and the points dont matter

[strong forum]

pwar meta is not a thing

[dense remnant]

ppl are gonna end up playing vdh or prot pala in keys

[strong forum]

just because we do slightly more dmg lol

prot pala actually provides powerful things for the group

and does the same if not more damage

VDH has gigantic AoE burst as felscarred

prot pally has big burst every 1min

and just consistent high dmg

[dense remnant]

VDH with the silence sigil plus grip, and immortality with meta

[strong forum]

dont get overhyped from seeing a few details screenshots from PTR

"meta" isnt just dmg anymore

[lavish rose]

well my raid cotank is protpala so she can carry me in m+ then

[dense remnant]

my main hope is that some blizz employee isnt gonna see the screenshots, and reflex nerf prot warr by a ton, without checking what other specs are doing

but that isnt guaranteed

[strong forum]

dw theyre aware of pwar

before this shit

[dense remnant]

are they?

[strong forum]

yes

[crimson furnace]

we are still behind grp utility by a mile

kira is hyped atm cuz he enjoys the specc

that is all

[lusty karma]

Miles*

[vague condor]

It’s it relatively safe to swap to battle stance against bosses, and stay defensive stance against mobs? Seems like Kira swaps quite a bit

[strong forum]

yes

[crimson furnace]

we are not doing huge numbers compared to vdh and prot pala, we are there as those 2

[strong forum]

stance dancing has been a thing

the entire time

[crimson furnace]

but they have so much more going on for them

[strong forum]

most people are just too lazy

[remote anchor]

stance dancing for 3% crit just feels ass

[lavish rose]

tbf it's 3% crit. It helps for sure but that's not what's making warrior dps good by itself

[tulip oar]

VDH and Prot Pally just fit more comps like s glove.

[lusty karma]

Yeah really isn’t worth except at highest end content

[strong forum]

its more worth as colossus

than as thane

but yes its minimal at best

nothing bad players should concern themselves with

[lavish rose]

phew

[tulip oar]

Caster comps, VDH. Physical, or high kick demand dungeons, Pally.

[lavish rose]

Are there real physical comps anymore? Warr/BMhunter/outlaw are the only 3 specs that come to mind as mostly phys

4 specs counting both warriors

[mint knot]

Well, feral might be a thing now with their current tunng

[lavish rose]

right

[strong forum]

the good ol "feral good on ptr but suddenly nobody plays it on live"

[mint knot]

A phys comp might look smthing like Pwar/MW monk/Enh sham/Feral dudu/Spriest

[strong forum]

repeating itself again

[mint knot]

but idk, unlikely that to be meta, very

[dense remnant]

chicken players cant play melee

[tulip oar]

Warrior, hunter, choice of druid, enhance, rogue. Healer will be Disc or monk, tank can be monk or Pally

[lavish rose]

BrM M+ lmao

[mint knot]

disc healer not best with pwar, no?

[strong forum]

disc is pretty bad for pwar ye

[tulip oar]

Same with ele shaman trying enhance. So funny to watch.

[strong forum]

but if disc stays anything like it is in s1

it has crazy throughput

[mint knot]

but you'd be crazy NOT to run a priest utility kit this dungeon rotation, soooo spriest viable?

[strong forum]

(at controlled moments)

[mint knot]

crazy times

[dense remnant]

arent they even buffing disc, or something?

[mint knot]

lol

[lavish rose]

why bad with pwar? IP and other shields dont play nice?

[tulip oar]

Which it looks like it will be

[strong forum]

disc sucks at spothealing

it cant single target heal consistently

so if theres a mechanic that needs bruteforce on tank specificly

disc is quite bad if pwar does end up not having enough CDs

[lavish rose]

Oh okay so it's not a warrior specific issue but a non-self healing tank issue

[strong forum]

ye

disc is usually good at making health not go down

and bad at making health go up

[lavish rose]

yeah warrior is good at the same things, they don't complement

[strong forum]

yup

[tulip oar]

Shields everywhere will do that. Lol

🫧 for everyone!

[lavish rose]

Going a bit back to this. Having seen how they did prowarr, I'm hesitant to take any of this remotely seriously but (tuning pending) would you say this makes some sense? Or is all random

[strong forum]

its based on a single persons subjective opinion on dmg output

so dont take it even remotely serious

[urban bane]

it is feelycraft disguised as science lmao

[strong forum]

its literal petkos thing to do a tierlist every single week

thats his thing

[dense remnant]

anyone making or looking at tier lists and saying that theyre useful is:

• delusional
• trolling
• trying to make money by baiting
• all of the above

[lavish rose]

Ah, I thought that was like a "round table" of experienced players doing some serious summary of the ptr

[strong forum]

no

even those lists are guessing at best

the one that max does who does get the "experienced players"

[lavish rose]

Yeah tier lists are not a great concept but at least it could be an honest review of the current state/design/tools of each spec

[urban bane]

There is never honesty, sometimes due to ignorance and sometimes due to malice

[strong forum]

cant get an honest review

if your time is only 5min per spec

[mint knot]

Does anyone have a table of all the ST/Cleave DPS sims of all tank specs?

[strong forum]

none that are accurate

[graceful mason]

Hey the tier list on xpack launch he did with how does the class feel to play is valid

[strong forum]

feel is valid

[graceful mason]

Balance based tier lists

[lavish rose]

yeah I thought maybe someone did the design tier list. But I see it's not the case in this one

What's the bug with havoc btw

[urban bane]

fix not yet implemented on ptr

Basically it means its funnel damage is extra good on PTR. But the havoc sims havent included the bug figuring itd be fixed

[tulip oar]

Even that one is very subjective. Some of those ppl down played their class pretty well.

[dense remnant]

our guild's DH says its fixed on PTR

[brisk sparrow]

do you guys think warriors will struggle a lot next season? Everything I have heard is that there will be a ton of bleeds and dots in m+ and warriors just kinda falter to it

[urban bane]

Prot warrior will be fine.

[strong forum]

we chillin

[brisk sparrow]

thank you both 🙂

[mortal cypress]

just be dwarf, ez

[brisk sparrow]

I am a drooling orc though...zug zug 😦

[unborn island]

Side note when talking about wishlist - I'd love something that can mass-aggro a ranged pack like the pally shield throw thing. Having to taunt/tab cycle throw everything feels bad.

Just another thing which can make gathering pulls feel like ass.

Like I was doing a run last night and someone was like 'just pull them all at the same time' after I slowly gathered 3 packs....

I was like...you realise if I do that the healer will likely die, I have to go near things and hit them to have any threat.

[dense remnant]

have you tried playing brewmaster 😄

after that everything feels so nice to gather

[unborn island]

Do they have it worse than us? Tbh I'm just crying because a ranged 'give me threat on everything' button would be amazing

[dense remnant]

its much worse, yes

at least as warrior you can charge, leap, charge, and press clap/revenge to get a bit of aggro on almost everything

monk's highest range instant spell is 15 yard range, if you dont count the 1 min cd ground targeted spell that you dont rly wanna use just to pull

and that 15 yard range keg has what 6s cd and two charges, and one of the only things that also does dmg/gets aggro

aka shit feels bad

[lunar jackal]

what's with prot warriors damage recently? ive been watching some streamers do absolutely crazy damage. Is it a degenerate build for like farm keys or is it legit?

[pallid quiver]

it's what colo has always done

It's only gone higher due to revenge buffs and the like

It's just people finally trying out Colossus

[lunar jackal]

fair but

again is it actually a build for pushing?

[pallid quiver]

until you hit a wall where you need the extra survival from Thane, just like S1

The gap is actually smaller for that since Colo base survival has gone up in S2

[lunar jackal]

ty

appreciate it

i came back to the game like 3 weeks ago (from shadowlands) and only dedicated myself to gearing without getting much info so i was out of the loop

[pallid quiver]

In that case, the general gap between Prot's two hero specs is that Thane has more defensive value, while Colo does more damage. People saw that and generally all zerged playing Thane and never even looked at Colo

Since people pushing high keys would prefer to not die, even if they could get through a key as Colo, since dying as a tank in high keys generally is a bricked key and we're not currently gated by damage, especially not tank damage, in clearing keys

And then the average player base sees that and copies with no thoughts head empty

[lunar jackal]

lol yeah i read the basic guide and said "ok thane gg"

[pallid quiver]

so they can shit talk and ego boost over other people

Colo has always done particularly disgusting damage, notably in AOE

just it wasn't at the forefront of discussion

[lunar jackal]

😉

[mint knot]

Can see bro doesn't like or know how to play it

[strong forum]

Give him time, he needs to learn to press less TC and IP

Which is the complete opposite of thane

Also doesn't want vers

Needs high crit

[ember token]

So much hate on the guy who just want paladin to be meta, damn 🙂

[jagged gust]

tbf he brought in on himself

[tawdry fjord]

Why dont people like kira, he is anti warrior or smething?

yoda*

sorry haha

[mint knot]

Well, he literally just said f warrior like 2 mins ago

[jagged gust]

He also wrote a s1 guide with... just a whole lot of bad information

I'm having a weird input issue that only seems to be affecting 2 abilities, ravager and demo shout, I press the key, I can see the key 'press' on my action bar, but it still takes several key presses to actually initialize the cast

[lunar jackal]

Yes. Yoda does not like warrior

[tawdry fjord]

got confused, since i saw kira running with that grp like 1h ago, and he was BLASTING

[lunar jackal]

He doesn not like tanks with close to no self sustain

[mint knot]

Also you can tell kira loved playing prot war, he improved massively from yesterday to today

And was genuinely having fun playing it, experimenting, etc

[jagged gust]

Kira was fun to talk with, but holy hell that chat

[ember token]

Oh well, wanted to defend the guy but he already on ppal

[strong forum]

Which will overall be the better play anyway

Pally does comparable, if not more dmg but helps group out infinitely more

[tawdry fjord]

x(

[mint knot]

Fair point but if you run a AP comp isn't battle shout great value?

[strong forum]

Sure but dmg isn't what has limited keys

Survival has

[lunar jackal]

i knew i shouldnt run with a survival hunter. I knew it was limiting me

you read it here

[mint knot]

Yeah, damn hunters.

[jagged gust]

it has survive right in the name tho

[strong forum]

Only early season people will swarm towards "does big number" spec

Cuz routes aren't optimised

Groups aren't fully geared

Nothing is cooked

[jagged gust]

Honestly that works out pretty well for me most of the time, pump hard on a class people are unfamiliar with, get a bunch of friend requests, have free key invites for the rest of the season

[round cliff]

was the robot ever updated to prio tclap less

i think sims still want u to press it almost on cd

[strong forum]

Robot uses tclap if you're below 60 rage

As Colossus

As thane obv higher prio

[round cliff]

is that tru tho

[strong forum]

?

For St or aoe

[round cliff]

like ur under 60 rage a lot

at least i am

aoe

[strong forum]

Yeah and TC is a generator

[lunar jackal]

guys to those who are theorycrafty type. Can anyone explain attack power to me? like Chaos brand is ez 3% magic damage, same with monks MT, how does AP work?

i doubt its flat %

[round cliff]

feels almost better to just press revenge and gamble on shield block resets tho

but ig the robot doesn't lie

[strong forum]

all attacks from melee dps and hunter use AP, if you buff that by 5%, all their dmg is buffed by 5%

[jagged gust]

The robot doesn't lie, but it's pretty damn close either way

[lunar jackal]

abilities included?

[urban bane]

sense about to play on tettles stream

[strong forum]

of course

[lunar jackal]

or only autos?

[strong forum]

all abilities

attack power is our way to make stuff do more damage

[lunar jackal]

yeah yeah i knew that i was just wondering by how much and how it was calculated

thnx nom

[strong forum]

it comes from your mainstat and for tanks also from mastery

and weapon

[chilly brook]

Can’t wait to be blasting more on Tuesday

How much will key levels drop by on the 4th?

5?

[strong forum]

no clue

[chilly brook]

I would prefer to start the season with a 10 or as close to a 10 as possible in my pocket

[jagged gust]

I was considering pumping my key up just in case it carries over somewhat, but w/e I'll just run 1 extra no stress dungeon

[chilly brook]

Run no stress dungeons with other peoples keys

Grab a couple upgrades and own your 10

[jagged gust]

It's never any stress when it's not my key

Good luck with that brick buds!

[lunar jackal]

i get more stress when its not my key lol

i get to pick people on my keys

sure i get bricked as well

but yikes

[chilly brook]

Key bricks are just a way of life

Can’t help it

That’s probably been the nicest thing about pushing this last season

No one is actually toxic they just go “oh well let bricked gg go next”

[jagged gust]

Here's the key, if I get insta-accepted, guaranteed the run is a winner, if I sit in queue for 4 mins before I get accepted it's a dead run 9/10 times

[lunar jackal]

true

[jagged gust]

also several million runs per week, the chances of seeing someone whos key you bricked is really quite low unless you're in title range

they may as well be NPCs, and you can't hurt an NPCs feelings

[chilly brook]

Eh I ran into a lot of the same names in the 13 range

[jagged gust]

yeah true above 12 is kind of the vault cutoff

[urban portal]

5% is 5% but it doesnt effect their trinkets

so its slightly less than 5

[chilly brook]

Even more so in anything above 13

[tribal wharf]

i seen kira doing 14 ML today, they bricked it lol

the bobombs in boss 3 to final area depleted them

[red inlet]

do you guys have issues generating aggro when you start a pull?

[cerulean tusk]

Not really, no. Just shieldcharge in and clap if you are doing M+. Raid you simply taunt.
Remember - you can taunt in m+ as well.

That said, sometimes you will play with DPS ungabunga that got all their load ready and wont hold it for 3 sec for things to be under control.

Just let em die

[small steeple]

Do you know how vdh damage compares?

[strong forum]

vdh dmg is very similar aswell

but spikier dmg profile

[cerulean tusk]

Do they still craycray funnel?

[small steeple]

AR does have strong funnel, but will do overall less damage than FS

[cerulean tusk]

Will be fun and see if it is good enough for VDH to build pulls around bringing shit to things to blow them up

Not against another gameplan

[small steeple]

Mmm, if the party has a havoc and fire mage, that may be possible, for any tank really

[cerulean tusk]

If plan is to gigafunnel, VHD + Havoc. Take it to the extreme

I dont play DH tho, so I will just play with tanks that pull around 5t only >:)

[limpid tide]

In preparation for nerf I propose a new capstone talent.

Cucked and tucked: Each time you press revenge, you lose 5% damage for the next 15 seconds. The effect stacks.

[little creek]

hey, any ptr m+ build?:)

[mint knot]

Something like this. This is "max safety" & QOL. Feel free to swap BSV/Indomitable if you like for Battering Ram / Ravager. And in class tree idk IO/rage cap node for spear or thunderous words

[small steeple]

no real reason to BSV

[mint knot]

Well, there's a lot of anti-BSV wars from what I've seen. Depends how you approach M+ I guess. I'm down to phase it later down the line but at the moment I see a ton of value in it. Arguments I make in favor of BSV are: 1) not familiar with colossus 2) most definitely NOT familiar with the new dungeons and what is dangerous and what's not 3) I see this proccing 2-3 times per dungeon easy for it to be worth it. 4) parry entropy?? 5) run double dps trinkets with BSV?

[urban bane]

bsv ⛔

There's not much to be "familiar" with when it comes to colossus

[small steeple]

I mean there are arugments for and against it. I just feel like its a waste until you are doing super high keys, like 15+

[urban bane]

You press revenge you press shield slam you tclap you press your cooldowns

And the opportunity cost for BSV

ironically makes it more likely that you proc BSV

[small steeple]

It's similar to Last Resort for vdh, but LR is much worse and has a terrible cost to get it

[mint knot]

Also BSV is 3 mins cd, very short.

[urban bane]

BSV means less rage which means less shield wall, both thru the spell itself and thru avatar since we take IO

Only worth it if you absolutely need it to live through stuff. Not a worthwhile safety pick

There's a reason it is not recommended to most players is all I'm saying :)

[idle copper]

Anyone got a Def and a DPS orientated Colossus build for next season?

[small steeple]

scroll up 5-10 messages for a build

[idle copper]

Cheers

[idle copper]

Anything not to painful to drop to get Disrupting Shout?

[mint knot]

I agree with your arguments but it seems you're dismissing mine. Nobody knows the trash packs and the pulls in m+ well at this point in time, and if you're like me you will overpull and end up proccing it often until you figure out what's what.

[small steeple]

and thats a fair enough argument I feel

[small steeple]

you would swap show of force over

[mint knot]

To each his own I guess. I do plan on phasing it out later down once I'm comfortable

[idle copper]

Cheers

[urban bane]

Wasn't trying to dismiss them. But I was saying that you often make yourself more vulnerable to proccing BSV by virtue of taking it vs the other options available. Therefore working against the benefit. You can certainly do what you wish, but it is recommended to not take BSV for the majority of players for a reason.

[cinder marsh]

anybody got any info on best addons to have for S2?

[mint knot]

How much more vulnerable are we talking about here? Let's say in the build I shared above BSV vs Battering Ram or Ravager

[urban bane]

However much rage those talents gen in an encounter extrapolated over the course of an entire key leading to less opportunities to use Shield Wall and avatar

in addition to less damage that you'll deal because of fewer rage

in addition to fewer IPs

[mint knot]

Yeah, I understand the feedback loop, just curious what the numbers add up over a 30 minute key run

BRam over 30 minutes is like what 200-300 extra rage + 1.5-2% dps?

[urban bane]

Over 30 minutes? more than that probably.

[mint knot]

Due to the feedback loop, the cost in numbers is not clear how much you're actually losing out on

[jagged gust]

It's kind of like a house of cards

[mint knot]

Would be nice to run some rage numbers on BRam vs Ravager also. It's not clear how much rage gen it provides. For Ravager on the other hand, I think Kira checked his details end of a run and his Ravager generated around 800 rage or so

[jagged gust]

Oh you can sim it can't you, pretty sure rage genned is shown in the full report

not sure if the apl supports ptr tho

[mint knot]

Also Ravager is really helpful establishing aggro quickly on all mobs in a large pull

[jagged gust]

Gonna miss MT for that, aoe gathering was simplicity itself

[urban bane]

Sec, running a few sims :)

[jagged gust]

charge, TC, charge, Avatar+TB, leap, TB

[urban bane]

Not perfect of course but that can tell us what the loss is and we can apply that to key time as a thought experiment

[mint knot]

❤️

[waxen frigate]

Sure, it’s
I I I
I I I _

[jagged gust]

https://tenor.com/view/muscular-wonders-loss-meme-terry-crews-old-spice-gif-18335011

[bleak breach]

I assume we will run ravager on any aoe fight and battering ram on ST

Surely

[rigid zephyr]

Hello all. I've been folowing the warrior Patch notes. Now many people are saying prot warr dmg is S tier. I havent seen any thing on the Patch notes that would justify this. Anyone knows hows the protection dmg doing?

[cinder marsh]

tbh they have been trying to take down prot wars for a while now and it just dont work, really depends on how your gear is and how you play

iv been playing for 20 years and i never had a problem

[rigid zephyr]

Yeah but people are putting prot warrior on S tier for m+. That woukd meen that the dmg would have to be way better than other tanks, to compensate the lack off group utility no?

[cinder marsh]

the only reason you see the tier list like that is because popular people such as streamers and ect talking about their opinion, yes some classes has an edge with utility wise, but prot only has battle shout and rallying cry so you cant really depend on tier lists to tell you how good prot war is

[remote anchor]

pala got nerfed we got buffed

also people forgot colossus existed

[cinder marsh]

utility wise prot is on the low but as for health and dps we are kinda broken, depends on gear tho

your not gonna beat a pally with utility thats just how it is

cant change that

but i dont play colossus but im pretty sure mountain thane is a big aoe spec and colossus is a big single target spec

so kinda depends on what your running in s2

[rigid zephyr]

Last season i did same damage with my pala than on my warrior (pala as less 10 ilvls though) 🥲

Kk ill have to experiment 😊 anyways what i love in prot warrior is the tankiness. Our health is very stable. Feels low stress

[urban bane]

okay to @mint knot 's question for a 5min 5target sim looks like a diff of

BSV: 3484.56 rage (https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qXEDFZsDmGo6MygS6koZ19/simc)
BRam: 3564.1 rage (https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/po4qu5U5nfVPeeWHbmibNP/simc)
Ravager: 3656.02 rage (https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cxJs48JRsvFpWWfS2YykjB/simc)

Not super confident I simmed correctly or anything so someone may want to check my work. I also don't know how liberal the APL model is with just dumping rage every chance it gets. im not great at reading apl lines but looks like it wants to keep rage around 60.

But taking that for granted, added up over a dungeon could be enough to make difference in number of casts you can get. Just the 5min alone the rage -> cdr is about 10-20 seconds diff for not running bsv

The damage also was pretty different, not a big surprise there

[young gyro]

Im ok with that. ^_^

[gentle violet]

Prot has very good stops. Stormbolt, Shockwave, Int Shout & AoE Taunt/Kick and you can play all of them in SZN2. We have that going for us! We are really just missing a better raid buff and maybe 1 thing to help team. They need to buff rallying cry and they need to make intervene an external usable by any spec.

[strong forum]

this is more "tanky"

[cinder marsh]

when i say utilities i mean like for the group

buff the group or give them an advantage by any means

[gentle violet]

Yeah forsure if rallying cry was strong like 30% HP and intervene was an external would go a long way

[cinder marsh]

we have the best interupts , stuns ect

[strong forum]

31mil hp

bruv youre almost 60ilvl higher than achievable in s2

730 ilvl is fake

[sharp gale]

Because it is simmed highest by far in st, when you can execute, so people take it out of context I guess

[cinder marsh]

im guessing mountain thane is gonna be bis spec

[rigid zephyr]

i miss when intervene was a good barskin back in shadowlands i believe. I wonder why the shield it gives in moutain thane is so low

[cinder marsh]

cause of its aoe

and looks bad ass!!

[urban bane]

😅 about that...

[cinder marsh]

nooooooooooooo

[urban bane]

Colossus does a shittone more dam hah.

[strong forum]

yeah its aoe is about 40% worse than colossus

[cinder marsh]

i need to see the notes for them so i can do my research

[sharp gale]

Might switch clap and revenge keybind yeah sorry if you liked thane

[strong forum]

ima quickly delete the massive misinformation before people lose their shit

[toxic ruin]

lol what u on about, i used last stand

[cinder marsh]

what misinfo?

[strong forum]

youre still 730 ilvl my guy

look at your gear

posting details from fake ilvl gear cuz PTR is bugged

aint how its gonna be next season

[toxic ruin]

u actually deleted it, lmao.

[strong forum]

ofc

cuz people arent gonna catch that fact

that youre massive overgeared compared to actual s2

[cinder marsh]

do we know whats the best talents for m+ yet

[strong forum]

yes

[sharp gale]

Tbh cheats are so useless info

[cinder marsh]

so i can go ahead and look

[strong forum]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/talent-calc/warrior/protection/colossus/DAOAVVBRFQgYVIpRUBANVUVFRERFVZVRQDRQQEFVVUBQ

[toxic ruin]

my gear is vendor gear from the NPC in dornogal

[cinder marsh]

ty

[strong forum]

yes

[toxic ruin]

da fuck u on about

[strong forum]

and its 730ilvl

look at it ....

its bugged

[toxic ruin]

shjots 678 for me

[strong forum]

screenshot it

[cinder marsh]

oh wow

thats new

no champions spear

[strong forum]

spear and roar are both interchangable

[torn gulch]

i have 24 million hp kekw

[strong forum]

yeah

thats with 730 vendor gear

[torn gulch]

with 730 gear

[strong forum]

nice cope

show full gear screenshot

[cinder marsh]

what do you think is better spear or roar?

[toxic ruin]

no idea what this guy is smoking

[strong forum]

roar is easier to play than spear

both are within 1% of each other

[cinder marsh]

well i have a macro for that

so no diff?

[strong forum]

no real diff

play whichever you prefer

[sharp gale]

Will it affect the second secondary stat we prefer ?

[cinder marsh]

no rav?

never seen that before

[strong forum]

with full tierset, ravager falls slightly out of fashion

[mighty valley]

area on roar has gotta be bigger than self-target spear right

[strong forum]

yes

[cinder marsh]

aw that was a good health spell

[mighty valley]

prob miss some mobs if you always selftarget

[toxic ruin]

here Drimus

[dark barn]

Saw petko saying we overtuned in damage, is that truth? Nerfs incoming?

[toxic ruin]

Kira played this spec all day

spear and roar

[strong forum]

its not more damage

[toxic ruin]

pumping dmg like ive never seen before

[strong forum]

to play that

[cinder marsh]

hmmm

[strong forum]

kira wasnt playing this all day

he was testing all kinds of different shit

[cinder marsh]

im just happy with 2 charges of shield wall

[strong forum]

cuz they killed imp wall

and buffed DA

[cinder marsh]

tanks want to argue that its useless but now i can say HA

[strong forum]

well its literally pointless to play imp wall

[cinder marsh]

this season must be a lot of physical damage

[strong forum]

cuz DA is baseline 2min CD on SW

you cant compete with that with raw CDR

since imp wall no longer grants extra rage

in 11.0 DA is 2.5min base CD
and imp wall increased SS rage gen by 25%

[toxic ruin]

curious what ur gonna say now tho, didnt see ur reply first

[cinder marsh]

is this bis?

[strong forum]

this is just old vendor gear

before it got bugged

[toxic ruin]

idk i bought vendorgear like 30mins ago on ptr

[cinder marsh]

im trying to figure out bis, so i know what to look for

[toxic ruin]

copyd kira's buiild

and delivered insane dmg, but got removed cuz of miss information

lmao

[strong forum]

yes cuz of wrong gear 🙂

[sharp gale]

Tbh I doubt it too now since you don’t show your overall ilvl now in your second screen but maybe it’s just a quick miss

[strong forum]

replicate your clip with character panel open

and i will concede

but 31mil HP

[cold tapir]

Is it viable to drop Indomitable in favor of Ravager in 11.1? With the IP buff and rage nerfs I figure Indomitable will be a less significant part of our overall self sustain, but how bad will it hurt not to take it

[strong forum]

is not possible with 678 ilvl 🙂

[cinder marsh]

@toxic ruin can i see stats?

[strong forum]

that cant be said for now

indom is still a significant amount of survivability

[cold tapir]

Fair enough, we will see soon enough I guess

[strong forum]

in raid it could be dropped but in m+ its an extreme case-by-case situation

if you can or cant drop it

certainly not something i will recommend

[latent cargo]

Are there any Mythic Plus builds posted for 11.1?

[strong forum]

wait holdup

[toxic ruin]

?????

[jagged gust]

curious

[strong forum]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/talent-calc/warrior/protection/colossus/DAOAVVBRFQgYVIpRUBANVUVFRERFVZVRQDRQAEFVVUBQ

[jagged gust]

jugg over punish

[strong forum]

ye that was a fuckup

i had to fix

[cinder marsh]

oh

dont see any changes

[toxic ruin]

delete it, missinformation

[strong forum]

no you just have LS active and rally

[sharp gale]

You don’t have the same ilvl

[strong forum]

idk why youre trying to willingly post misinformation but keep it up

[sharp gale]

I repost your first screen

[mint knot]

Prot war gear on PTR shows 730 ilvl.

[jagged gust]

great now you got miss murder stuck in my head

[strong forum]

if you re-buy gear NOW its 678

but old gear is 730

which he used in his first clip and now doesnt wanna backtrack

[cinder marsh]

yea i was about to say

[wicked pollen]

<@&257983573498265600> hi

nvm

[cinder marsh]

that does not seem real

[wicked pollen]

who deleted it

[cinder marsh]

lols

[wicked pollen]

FUCK

[strong forum]

its in every channel

[wicked pollen]

sorry

[jagged gust]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-slowpoke-glitter-sparkling-gif-9077674878617351176

[strong forum]

i deleted the message in here

[wicked pollen]

BRO

[paper beacon]

Brewmaster discord deadge compared to sky hold

[wicked pollen]

IM GOING TO GET SHOT MAN

NOME SAVE ME

HELP

[cinder marsh]

0_0

[strong forum]

cuz of streamers finding out 3week old information

[paper beacon]

Yeh lol

But also

[cinder marsh]

no the real reason is that prot war is best

[wicked pollen]

hi valy'kyr nome was faster :3

[paper beacon]

Brewmaster now doing bear DPS hold me

[cold tapir]

"not even the theorycrafters knew"

[sharp gale]

The doomer channel on their disc is nice but so few dudes play brew

[mint knot]

Tbf on PTR when you start a 12 key or higher you get scaled up/down to 678.

[cinder marsh]

yea i dont like that

the scaleling

[strong forum]

correct

[cinder marsh]

i mean on ptr i dont think it matters

[strong forum]

but linking a dornogal clip with inflated values is just misinformation

[mint knot]

So this 730 gear is kinda useless unless you want to sim or test on dummies

[paper beacon]

I blame the purple names banning doom posting

[remote anchor]

its useless either way on ptr

in dungeons you get scaled anyway

[sharp gale]

Yeah it’s just bragging on dummies

[cinder marsh]

whats this?

[strong forum]

thats the max raid dps build

turbo greed damage build

except you can go even farther

[paper beacon]

Anyways I hope it's a Prot War meta — way less toxic and gatekeeping when they're on top

[strong forum]

and drop bloodsurge and spellblock

and get 2x BB

😉

[cinder marsh]

so i want to copy this for raid?

[wicked pollen]

yarp

[sharp gale]

The no tank mech free dps build

[strong forum]

do not copy this for raid

lol

[paper beacon]

Unlike Paladin and VDH literally making pugs decline tanks

[cinder marsh]

awwwww

[wicked pollen]

do copy this for raid

[cinder marsh]

maaaaan

[strong forum]

use that only when you are confident in your abilities in raid

[paper beacon]

For not being the correct tank

[strong forum]

and want to grind for literal r1 parses

[sharp gale]

Do it….

[paper beacon]

So fucking trash. I hated this season.

[ruby musk]

What if I'm confident in my healer's externals?

[strong forum]

i certainly will use it in raid

actually

[cold tapir]

next minmax step figure out how to untalent defensive stance

[strong forum]

swap SOF for SD

then you got it

xd

this is a mans build

only for REAL men

[sharp gale]

Yeah the giga dam build is no tanking only executes

[strong forum]

SD is more dmg in raid

[cinder marsh]

cause im going to tank a raid for the first and i want only the best talents

[strong forum]

for both specs

[paper beacon]

Drop the stam/armor talent for AOE interrupt in m+

?

[strong forum]

nah

no shot

you do not play aoe interrupt

thats massive grief

2% haste 8% stam and armor for a 1.5min CD short range interrupt

hell nah

[cinder marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/aww-hell-nahh-aww-hell-aww-hell-nahh-gif-9659330954843262630

[sharp gale]

Like taking bitter dispel

[paper beacon]

Or at least BSV

Maybe a little BSV?

[cinder marsh]

i wonder when they gonna add a good trading post month

[sharp gale]

You don’t lose health and haste etc If you take bsv at least

[paper beacon]

Are you not happy with this months discount stuff?

And red tattoo chest?

[cinder marsh]

i am not

i only play prot war

[paper beacon]

It's bis

[jagged gust]

I grabbed some dope ass sword and I'm pretty happy

[paper beacon]

You need to have a bare chest as war

Especially kultiran war

[cinder marsh]

i want the !@#$ magetower appearance for prot wars

[mighty valley]

close, you need blood soaked bandages

[cinder marsh]

cause i wasent here for it

[sharp gale]

I have Nathria’s armor that’s all I need

[cinder marsh]

well i was

[paper beacon]

Bear chest kul tiran more like

[cinder marsh]

i just didnt do it

[jagged gust]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=202248/frozen-shadow

Like holy shit this thing is cool

[sharp gale]

I don’t see a lot of transmogs for it maybe with an enchant

[cinder marsh]

oooh heres a idea

[jagged gust]

yet

[cinder marsh]

for 2k trading post currency, unlock all the legion appearence for your spec

[jagged gust]

that sword is gonna payoff in like 1-2 expansions

[cinder marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-17729711691959966457

[sharp gale]

The BLUE expansion

[jagged gust]

100% midnight is just gonna be BLUE: The Expansion

[sharp gale]

Alright, I will check the trading post (I never do)

[sharp gale]

Purpler expansion

[jagged gust]

Sarkareth was enough purple for me, tyvm

[vocal pewter]

Do we know if there are going to be ways to gear come Tuesday when the M+ season is over?

like will M0s drop decent gear?

[mint knot]

@urban bane how did those sims go?

the rage gen sims battering ram vs ravager

[jagged gust]

#protection message

[mint knot]

ty

that's quite a chunk of rage, definitely better talent than people think it is

sooo Bram ST and Ravager AOE/M+ I guess

[bleak breach]

Yes

Correct

[mint knot]

Or you can be a man like Kira is right now and drop indomitable too for both Bram and Ravager lol, in +16 ToP

🤣

[urban bane]

[bleak breach]

Damage wise absolutely you could

That will be all the top dps parses

Indom isn’t the power house talent it once was, but it’s still great for survivability.

[small steeple]

@strong forum will into the fray or HR be taken?

with col in 11.1

[shut summit]

itf

tier set gets you the block uptime you need if you play right

[urban bane]

[bleak breach]

Was about to say the same

[urban bane]

what an exciting weekend

[shut summit]

thank goodness it was finally discovered that colossus does damage, nobody knew before last night

[bleak breach]

Who would’ve thought?

I don’t read enough about other tank specs these days.
Is Colossus the top dps tank spec now?

[wheat iron]

Maybe a dumb question - do we still generate rage from being hit by an auto-attack if we parry it?

[urban bane]

Streamers explaining how nobody knew

[hardy snow]

now Blizzard will discover that in next two-three weeks

[jagged gust]

10% -> 5%

Just waiting for the hammer to drop

[keen leaf]

I like thane though

lightning is shiny

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/PCBTNXZ.png

would be a shame if i had already done good damage in season 1 in keys!

NOBODY KNEW BROS

[jagged gust]

tbf most prot warriors didnt know either

[cinder marsh]

anybody got the notes of prot war with all changes in s2?

[sharp gale]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

Well it is top on live if you don’t really tank and just execute in raid

[cinder marsh]

well damn

there are no changes for war

except 20% damage boost

YAY

are there any videos on tanking guides for new raid yet?

according to the notes no

just damage buffs

[small steeple]

for all of season 2? No warrior had a ton of changes

[cinder marsh]

thats all that shows up for prot

[bleak breach]

That’s the last change

There’s heaps overall

[cinder marsh]

got a link i can look at?

[bleak breach]

They’re not all together yet

[bleak breach]

Will come through when live patch notes comes in, you’ve just gotta look through all the random development notes.

[small steeple]

Literally had to zoom out to 67% on browser to see it all

They actually do add them here

eventually

[bleak breach]

That’s some of it, not all

[strong forum]

there are some missing

and straight up incorrect ones

[bleak breach]

^

[small steeple]

hell it even has the barbaric training change in it

only thing missing is the strategist devastator changes I think

[strong forum]

its also missing the revert from 20->25 on general strategist

and not mentioning the buff to 4pc crit chance from 50 to 75%

also not including the 30% buff to demolish

[small steeple]

I mean it does if you scroll to the very very bottom, but yeah its not with the main stuff

[strong forum]

ye its in overall colossus and not prot specific

[hardy snow]

its just main post in dev notes wasn't updated, other changes are posted in following posts in same topic on forum

[strong forum]

ic

[mighty valley]

the demolish damage buff feels aimed at arms and we’re just enjoying the splash damage

[shut summit]

ya we got cleaved with the buff

[strong forum]

Usually we get nerfed by sharing stuff with the dps specs

Only fair that we get part of the cake for once

[mighty valley]

True true

[vague condor]

@strong forum using your WA, I cant find a way to add the Ignore pain icon to the tracker, rather than just showing the number

jk i gots it

[cedar iris]

So in the ptr are we not spamming ignore pain anymore? I’m watching yoda run it and he only presses it like 2-3 times per pull

[sharp gale]

Not enough rage anymore to spam I guess with the nerfs

[cedar iris]

Damn that’s crazy

[small steeple]

I mean, IP has always been pressed to avoid capping. Just before you had to spam it a ton to stop from capping

[sick sentinel]

i fell into this trap so much

i'd start pissing Rage and i'd instinctively start mashing IP

eventually mashing too much because my rage generation is making me overwhelemed

[jagged gust]

I bet a lot of people would benefit from a metronome when playing prot lol

ability on one beat, ip/sb on the other

[cyan bronze]

Yoda has arrived

[sick sentinel]

thats actually a really good idea

when not clicking, revenge

xD

[supple meadow]

Funnily enough that's how I play prot and I never die lmaoooo

Not with a metronome

but that's how it feels to play

glowy ability - IP - SS - IP - another glowy ability - SB into IP

oh free revenge proc

Into another IP and SS

it feels like a circle

I like when things just click

[mighty valley]

Revenge proc shouldn't really affect your decisions but yeah

[supple meadow]

I just like when the buttons glow

lmao

Makes me feel like I'm doing something right

[pallid quiver]

For the record, it's never been an uptime based thing; the uptime on IP varies entirely based on damage profiles you run into

[supple meadow]

Isn't SB the one thing you're supposed to have high uptime on?

[pallid quiver]

SB is our main mit, but technically we're not aiming for uptime on SB necessarily for baseline play; you just want to be aiming to block all incoming hits.

Since SB also affects SS damage, though, uptime for it does matter overall

and blockable attacks happen so frequently that you do end up aiming for uptime

People just don't think about it as much because damage profiles don't affect the uptime of your presses; once you send an SB, it is going to be up for the 6/8 seconds (depending on talents) no matter what happens

Meanwhile, IP can stay up for its whole duration or get instantly deleted because it did its job of reducing some damage

[supple meadow]

Yeah I try to keep SB and IP up as much as possible

And I usually just send the main cds unless I know there's a big hit coming in and I need to mitigate it specifically

[chilly brook]

IP has not been an “uptime” button since Legion

It has never been one in the last 3 expansions

[supple meadow]

@strong forum i don't know if this is a copy paste typo or not?

I was looking at the updated prot warr page and saw they both say they're the tankier of the 2 builds lol. Just wanted to make you aware

And also thanks for even writing this stuff, I know sometimes it's a thankless job. Just want you to know that it's appreciated

Oh my god I just realized after thinking and the fact that it's 4am made me realize that you meant for that specific set of builds it's the tankier of the two.

Sorry I just tried to call attention to a typo, please laugh at my stupidity, thanks.

[pearl zinc]

Hi Batman

[supple meadow]

Hello Rem, how goes it

[pearl zinc]

ya know

passing the time

[supple meadow]

Felt

I'm laying in bed trying to sleep

[tawdry dirge]

heya when do we switch out our current tier set

allready on 2+2 or wait till 4 set

[mild swallow]

hey has anyone been playing the PTR here? how are the changes with the nerf to rage generation? how do you feel about War in S2?

[sweet summit]

very good

[cerulean tusk]

More of the same, but more bonk

[tardy abyss]

Pwar bonk is actually insane

Kira does almost as much damage as a DPS lmao

But seems way too squishy for high end keys

[toxic ruin]

enjoy, its a blast to play, massive dam

[jagged pier]

except im pretty sure just going spear cap stones and IO is more damage

Ot the difference was very smol cant find the sims @strong forum ran, mabye he remebers

[round pendant]

is Kira gonna get us nerfed

fucking streamers can't just keep it to themselves

We need more downplayers in this community ngl

[sweet girder]

is the wowhead guide taking me to protection paladin at talent builds a message.

Smart.

[shut patio]

hey Prot mans, already have the document about blocked and reflected skills from s2?

[daring narwhal]

check the pin

[shut patio]

Thx Sensei I get it

[strong forum]

On 2 already yes

[mighty flame]

does thunder clap have place in the colosus build rotation? or its replaced by revenge completely and we just apply rend with it?

[strong forum]

Just rend

Except on ST you keep sending TC ofc

[mighty flame]

why on ST? for rage gen?

[strong forum]

For rage gen and on ST it's all about getting as many SS as possible

[silent path]

i played blood and prot paladin in season 1, i think now ill be prot warrior and bear season 2

[strong forum]

On aoe revenge hits like an absolute truck so you sometimes opt to skip SS casts in favour of doing more dmg

[mighty flame]

ah ok, got it, ty, im looking forward to s2, i loved mountain thane in S1 but im also excited to try out colosus, letsgoo warriors!

[strong forum]

I already played colossus almost exclusively in s1 cuz it already did way more dmg than thane.

Now I'm just happy more people are catching up to it

[mighty flame]

tho im not soure about my keybinds 😄 i dotn have anymore space for Demolish, we have too many buttons 😁 , do we still play also ravager as colosus?

[strong forum]

Yes

[dark barn]

Do you guys think they will revert some buffs to leverage the damage of protwar with others tanks?

[quick grail]

Best racial in m plus generally? Dwarf?