protection

[cyan bronze]

don't think we're playing on the same meta

[small steeple]

I feel like we aren't even on the same page on what we're talking about 🤣

[cyan bronze]

i was saying

idk how you are getting 1 shot thru meta

i don't think we're even playing the same spec

idk if its mathmatically true but meta feels like one of the strongest cds (felscarred for sure)

[small steeple]

OOOOH 100% you will never be 1 shot through meta

I misunderstood you

Another warrior moment for me

[dense remnant]

i thought the warrior brain infection was limited to the dps specs

[cerulean burrow]

is it bad to take the 45 sec thunderous roar in M+ as mountain thane for prot warrior?

[chilly brook]

It’s certainly worse than taking spear in terms of damage but a lot of builds for higher keys do take roar instead

[cerulean burrow]

oh okay thank you; do they have a specific reasoning or just cuz it feels better or some shit

pack to pack or something

[mighty valley]

It's usually just whichever sims best... or if a person truly hates ground targeting

Also the spear talents enjoy crit and if you've decided to skew vers heavy for whatever reason, it might lag behind

[cerulean burrow]

gotcha makes sense appreciate it guys

[cyan bronze]

if you have alor of vers/ low crit roar is good

and it’s ok for snap

[rancid tiger]

Spear ftw

[cerulean burrow]

yeah thats mainly waht i was wondering cuz my gear is statted for fury, so mastery out the ass, and i only have around like 15% crit or something and im not sure if thats high enough so i might run roar

[strong forum]

can just sim

issue with going roar (for the last week) is that you can not talent even 1 point into endurance training

with spear you can atleast get 1 punto

[cerulean burrow]

is endurance training really that good?

gyuess more hp is more gp

hp

[vocal cave]

no

[strong forum]

its not "really good"

not at all

but its worth more than 1 point into cruel strikes

and some people end up dropping wild strikes for endurance training

and thats just

omega braindamage

[small steeple]

"buuuuut more hp is more gooder"

[strong forum]

tanks have an unhealthy obsession with going "max tank"

at the cost of ACTUAL useful things

in many cases the opportunity cost just aint worth

[small steeple]

Like Last Resort vdh builds. You sacrfice way more survivability than you gain going for it

[strong forum]

in theory yes

but it requires you to play the game to play frailty

LR doesnt

you can completely ape your gameplay and have most of your tankiness

and many players dont want to play the harder but better build cuz fucking up is easier

[chilly brook]

Is frailty not just a "play the class well" and it works out just fine talent?

Like I thought it just naturally built if you're doing the correct thing

[small steeple]

it is

And frality is more important, at least the dr aspect, in single target.

[strong forum]

look at raid tanks

look at how few of them do damage and how easy it is to get high parses

now translate that to keys

🙂

[small steeple]

Do most raid tanks just not do damage? I haven't raided much, and when I do raid I almost always rip agro from the other tank

[strong forum]

correct

[chilly brook]

I get the idea that this group wants me to play vengeance for raid next tier but I wanna warrior 😦

[strong forum]

very few tanks care about doing damage

[urban bane]

almost no raid tanks do damage lul

you just press your buttons on cooldown and you have like 90% parse

[chilly brook]

yeah I filled in for tank last night on Queen and at least 2 people in the raid were concerned because I was using DPS trinkets and I said something about how tanking is easy

[strong forum]

just wait for RWF and youll see something

[small steeple]

heroic?

[chilly brook]

mythic

[strong forum]

what

i love people giving a shit about other peoples trinkets

[chilly brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1342000989095596033/image.png?ex=67b8b410&is=67b76290&hm=bd0db59797034450245d1cd8b5cad2979a1d03f99e7a43b1ff09e48ed3fb3c38&

[small steeple]

lmao. Yeah I sadly haven't done mythic raid even though I want to. But the mythic bosses I have tanked in the past are not much harder to tank than their heroic version

[strong forum]

especially when there arent ANY "tank" trinkets

[chilly brook]

Literal first time tanking mythic queen

[strong forum]

i would laugh so hard at those people who flame DPS trinkets on a tank, especially in raid

[small steeple]

this was all the way back in Nya'lotha in bfa. Which was in fact my very first time actually playing end game too

[strong forum]

why is there a fury that does 0 add dmg

[chilly brook]

he died

[strong forum]

ah

[chilly brook]

I think

[strong forum]

"why do tanks care about their dmg"

[chilly brook]

I probably fucked up a bit but eh

[strong forum]

for the same reason that a dps does

[chilly brook]

boss died

[strong forum]

🙂

[chilly brook]

Took me 3 pulls for us to see p3

[small steeple]

lmao. And did they say anything after words?

[chilly brook]

nah

warrior was silly comfy on that fight tho

spell block carries hard

[strong forum]

im getting unreasonably angry at those statements

holy fuck

[small steeple]

mmmm. Verifiably mean, then say they will hold it against you. Then when proven wrong they ignore it? Damn thats aggravating

[chilly brook]

I'm now a CE evoker dps and a CE tank

[strong forum]

oh was that that guilds first kill?

[chilly brook]

nah

3rd kill

just swapping people out to get everyone on roster CE/mounts and one of our tanks couldn't be there so I filled in

[small steeple]

Man, I wish my guild did mythic raiding. I joined it just after they finished their heroic prog, and they all quit for the rest of the season. So I never even got AOTC. But I really don't want to leave the guild because somehow I joined a guild that most members are actually local to my city lol

[urban bane]

Mythic raiders: "Listen getting CE is a huge time investment and requires super knowledgable and skilled players and leadership"
Also mythic raiders: "Tanks need to have defensive trinkets equipped at all times!"

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-a-surgeon-dr-han-the-good-doctor-discord-bubble-discord-speech-bubble-gif-1845193550933450334

[ancient monolith]

Hi all, for some reason my heroic leap stopped working - 'You can't do that now' message keeps spamming when I try to heroic leap - I have tried the following:

• restart the game
• change spec
• login different character and log back in warrior
• change heroic leap talent to another one and switch back

still can't heroic leap... anyone have this happening recently?

[dusky canopy]

Do you have anything macroed together with heroic leap?

[vocal cave]

relog

[ancient monolith]

I'm not using any macros for heroic leap

[mild river]

Add-on problem maybe?

[ancient monolith]

I'm thinking if it's a weakaura I have

bugsack is saying something about weakauras but it's not triggering directly from attempting to heroic leap

[mild river]

Deactivate all add-ons you have and give it a try.

[urban bane]

Skipped leg day? D:

[sharp gale]

They 100% never tanked a raid, I tanked for the first time kyvesa last week and got one shoted first pull only bc I forgot to turn on big wigs tankbusters and then for 20 pulls I was staring at my own reflection

While eating every pizza slice in intermission and chasing the death balls people shoot

[uncut sparrow]

I’ve had this happen before, I had to do a game repair and boom it worked again. No macros… just leap on my 5 key on my Naga.

[lavish rose]

so is colossus looking like the play even in m+? Or for raid and thane for m+?

[pallid quiver]

If you tell your average person this, they'll shit on you so hard for it. It makes no sense. It's like the same thing when you say giving a trinket that does 200k damage on use is worse on a tank than a DPS (before the tank nerf ofc) because they're DPS so they do more damage.

like my guy, 200k is 200k

I get shit sometimes when I mention that I enjoy tank parsing in raid, with the comments just being "lmao tank parsing"

as if dps parsing isn't any more silly or anything

[pallid quiver]

Thane still has more defensive power, but you really can just play whichever in almost every use case scenario

It'd only become an issue when you're really pushing keys

[lavish rose]

Great, I like thane better. Now for the important stuff: a shield that doesn't clip through half my armor as a dwarf

[strong forum]

Go female

They have bigger shields

Therefor less noticeable clipping

[idle copper]

Is there much DPS difference?

[small steeple]

Col pwar pumps rn

[round cliff]

join my guild
then instead of quitting after aotc we'll quit like 1 or 2 weeks after

👍

[round cliff]

i see my offer wasnt convincing enough

[jagged gust]

https://tenor.com/view/trombone-pusheen-musician-instrument-gif-11434220432919976776

[brittle owl]

join a 2 day mythic guild

get your CE that way

[sharp gale]

don't need to start with a CE guild if he never did mythic, he doesn't even know if he likes to do 200 pulls on a boss

but 2 day is the best imo

[jagged gust]

A 2 day mythic guild that actually has a full roster and doesn't pug 2-5 slots per night?

[sharp gale]

that's the spiral of the 2 days guilds

they are "behind" guilds that are raiding more, people see they are behind, they skip the boss / gets recruited by these guilds

or they get ovinaxed

[jagged gust]

Classic guildbusters

I had all my successes in 3-4 day guilds, the 1-2 day'ers I joined lasted 1-2 seasons before they puttered out of life

[sharp gale]

i fill in a more casual guild right now, i already knew the main roster was going to disband when they did some pulls on ovinax and decided to go on kyvesa

"i filled in the roster 2 of this guild and they killed ovinax AND kyvesa"

so now the roster 2 separated with the guild last night bc drama, i'm eating my popcorns

[jagged gust]

hahahahaha

On god that's my favorite drama

[sharp gale]

some obvious red flags

like the gm posting a paypal link to fund the discord bots and the minecraft server etc

2-3 rosters but the roster 1 being in the peak of mt. stupidity of the dunning kruger effect

[solar crown]

Finding a new guild, as a tank, is rough though. At least if you want to find a well-functioning

[sharp gale]

i got recruited in my current guild as a tank substitute (if one is missing a night), finally i never tanked the raid in my guild and i never got benched, i played fury the entire progress

they even forgot i'm a tank originally

[jagged gust]

I never get to tank because my fury dps too OP 😦

[brittle owl]

you join a casual one for 1-2 tiers and you have xp to join one of the more resilient ones. there's 2 day guilds that have better performance than 4 day guilsa

as long as guild leads don't push for top 300 first few tiers it's gucci

[sharp gale]

It’s more that warriors players quit the game / rerolled blue and we never found one

[brittle owl]

quitting the game is a goated strat

[violet ginkgo]

well true happy, I decide to unsub. Monster Hunter Wilds is coming and yeah that will distract me for a while until blizz fix warrior specs.

[sharp gale]

Tbf I would have unsubbed for monster hunter if the next raid wasn’t a casino

[violet ginkgo]

uh what it has to do? I mean you like casino so much?

[jagged pier]

well monster hunter also comes in the week where nothing is happening really

like even less now m+s are weekly again arent they?

wait we dont even get new dungeons do we

[sharp gale]

Yeah it comes next week but I usually play mh a lot (a month or 2)

If this one has more end game content than world, it could take more of my time when I would be trying to do 8 keys a week on a dps with no tank spec

[supple meadow]

chat, we dooming prot warr?

[jagged pier]

ye

[supple meadow]

cool cool

heard collosus was better now

than thane

[weak ether]

How is collosus doing in PTR ?

[mighty flame]

is it that bad for us in s2?

[daring narwhal]

Should be very ok unless you are chasing top world. If you only do 10s you are fine. Plus we get the VIP pug pass.

[mighty flame]

then im safe

[supple meadow]

ret pala is doing horrible too my other spec

so I'm double dooming

[mighty flame]

blizz wont let ret pala be bad, its fan favourite calss, you are good man 😎

[supple meadow]

we got neutered in 11.1 and shaman keeps getting buffed

[weak ether]

I'm curious, anyone got the good colossus spec? saw our talent tree for the class being a bit changed ?

[willow edge]

I got the impression that a lot of the devs play ret pally? Maybe it was just guildies shitposting haha

[weak ether]

whats the cook for the colossus on 11.1?

[supple meadow]

the devs play shaman now

since they're getting all the buffs

[weak ether]

havent they nerfed heavily the tempest build ?

[hot orbit]

In your opinion, what would be the right changes for us? Utility to add, talents to change etc? I would change Battle Shout and make it increase the primary stat, so that it is a buff for everyone and not just for melees. Then I would add a BL (it would also make sense, like a soldier who cheers on his teammates in the middle of the battlefield). I would also make Champion Spear a grip like Dk's Death Grip.

End of my wish list 😆

[karmic plinth]

considering grip always seems mandatory in raid having the SOD warrior grip wouldnt be obscene https://www.wowhead.com/classic/spell=403228/meathook

[hot orbit]

Thinking about the RP of the warrior, it make sense having a chain grip. It s nothing about magic or something like that. Even gladiators had it. Why not a warrior that crushes the ground with thunders? 😆

[sharp gale]

mass grips* but if i remember it slowly pulls it towards you, it is niche

and it can't be used on enemies higher than 61

[karmic plinth]

yer but thats obvs a classic restriction

[rocky crest]

Quick question about Dawnbreaker - Some mobs have the ability [ Umbral Rush ] . How do I stop them from charging my party ? Even when I've tagged them and damaged them ( yes I got aggro ) They still can randomly charge a party member, when they do this. they insta die.

I usually save storm bolt and shockwave to stop them mid charge if they go rogue and target someone else than me

[strong forum]

Whoever gets combat with those mobs first will get rushed

If you just body pull the mobs, or they ninja pull them, theres a beyond high chance they get gob stomped

[rocky crest]

Ah thank you for the answer oh great parrygod

[sour flicker]

guys, how changes to ignore pain affect stat priority? is now vers more relevant than crit?

[cerulean tusk]

No, IP change does not affect our stat priority in any meaningful way

[sour flicker]

so its still ilvl>haste>crit=vers>mast ?

[cerulean tusk]

looks about right

[strong forum]

IP is still capped at 30% max hp

Getting more vers or mastery won't affect that

all this 30% buff did is make Brutal Vitality way stronger than fueled by violence more than it already was

and became substantially better for colossus as colossus doesnt use IP nearly as much as Thane does

[urban portal]

Bshout will never affect everyone lol

And bshout is the 2nd most generic buff in the game already

Only dh buff is more impactful

And dh buff got nerfed to 3%

[strong forum]

any relevant CC that isnt a stun

[vocal cave]

It would have to be something unique like intervene borderline redirecting boss mechanics at this point

[strong forum]

since DF trees DMG alone aint good enough of a reason anymore for most situations

you also gotta provide unique group benefit

look at priest,
PI, Mindsoothe, 5% stam buff, 3% perma group DR (if disc), Mindcontrol, AoE Fear

[cyan bronze]

3000% aura buff

[strong forum]

all of these things i linked are UNIQUE to Priest.

the only thing we bring that is unique is Bshout

and well, i guess a target capped aoe fear

[cyan bronze]

aoe fear isn’t unique to priest

[strong forum]

warlock will never play it

and our fear is target capped

[cyan bronze]

sigil of misery

[strong forum]

eeeehhh

[cyan bronze]

i mean

there’s not much eh about it

besides the fact u can also do skips w it

[strong forum]

ig you rite

forgot DHs exist tbh

[cyan bronze]

that’s fair tho

fuck dh

[cerulean tusk]

Nome, you are so wrong. It is not a 5 cap AoE fear. It is an AoE fear with 4 offtargets as a bonus

[strong forum]

TECHNICALLY

its 6 targets

[cyan bronze]

holy.

[strong forum]

main target + 5 offtargets

[cerulean tusk]

Was it maintarget + 5?

[strong forum]

yeah

[cerulean tusk]

Neato, that is 25% stronger bonus on our ST fear

big

[cyan bronze]

& while mind soothe is unique

the skips you do with mind soothe aren’t always unique

just for example, the one skip in cot is usually soothed, but there’s several other ways to skip it

[strong forum]

still gives you the option

to do something

[cerulean tusk]

You know you can just heroic leap to skip that? warrior got tech too

smh

[sour flicker]

my point was changes to calculation of IP value formula from 40%vers60%atkpower to 100% vers, wondered if it affects stat prio

[strong forum]

absolutely not nah

prio comes from many more considerations

[sour flicker]

thats what I wanted to hear

[urban bane]

intervene + spell reflect make it happen

[cerulean tusk]

Plz no

PvP

dont forget about PvP!

[urban bane]

I will happily forget about pvp

[cerulean tusk]

you and blizzard both

[urban bane]

you and buhsac seem to be the only people on this server who mention it every chance you get 😅

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/arrested-development-david-cross-tobias-funke-there-are-dozens-of-us-dozens-gif-5426075

[strong forum]

pvp is why we dont get more shit

cuz we are historically extremely potent in pvp

[tropic cypress]

I know it's too soon to know for definite. But what would you expect will be our BiS trinkets for Prot next season? Or even the one you're looking forward to using, if there are any that have a cool on use

[shut summit]

bomb suit absorb one

tome for raid

[idle copper]

Disrupting shout to be a baseline ability and 45 second cooldown

[idle copper]

So no real great reason to stack stam if say there was a stam trinket?

[idle copper]

Intimidating shout also reduces attack and cast speed by 33% for 10 seconds

[sweet summit]

stam is kinda the worst standalone stat in the game unless you're somehow getting one shot from full without counterplay and that little extra stam would save you (impossible)

[strong forum]

Never been relevant

[strong forum]

Scrap field, house of cards, tome, bombsuit, eye of kezan

For once we have a solid choice of trinkets this season both for offense and defense

For several different scenarios

[woven radish]

Eye of Kezan stacked alongside Tome going to be nasty on bosses

[sharp gale]

I love the clap root PvP talent in epic bg

[chilly brook]

We aren’t in classic anymore, you lose so much by just going raw stam. Strength is a very potent stat in both offense and defense

[cyan bronze]

int is also good coz it makes u smart!

[unborn island]

This just means they will all get nerfed.

[supple meadow]

smort zugzug

[woven radish]

DON'T YOU PUT THAT EVIL ON ME RICKY BOBBY!!!!!

[round cliff]

wowhead wont let me block ads anymore

:(

[uncut sparrow]

Brave Browser still works for me. Mobile and Desktop versions still fending them off.

[round cliff]

no the ads get blocked

but the message saying to not use adblocker doesnt

[uncut sparrow]

I’m not getting any messages 🤷‍♂️

[chilly brook]

hit "continue without disabling ad blocker"?

[round cliff]

gets annoying doing that 10 times per site visit

[cerulean burrow]

i can confirm the messages do not appear for me utilizing brave

[serene steppe]

Can you upgrade crafted items with crests or is the ilvl fixed?

[strong forum]

ilvl is fixed

[serene steppe]

Thanks

[sick sentinel]

Is Ekili priority helper actually any good?

My main issue with Prot is losing track of my buffs in the buff tray and I fail to realise when it's time to utilise procs

[dense remnant]

that sounds like a UI issue

[sick sentinel]

So far it's helped a tonne with understanding how to efficiently use my rage

[lusty grotto]

what procs

[sick sentinel]

It's more than the buff positions aren't static and they shift around when my buffs expire or are consumed so it's quite hard to glance at them

[dense remnant]

that sounds like a UI issue

nothing else

[lusty grotto]

hekili is good but dont develop a codependence on it

[dense remnant]

do you have weakauras?

[sick sentinel]

I'll see if I have an SSD of my UI, my buff tray takes up half of my screen xD

[lusty grotto]

you're supposed to "outgrow" it

[dense remnant]

or what do you use to track

[sick sentinel]

Screenshot*

[lusty grotto]

ok but what procs

[sick sentinel]

ATM I only have Weakauras for tracking IP and having SB

[dense remnant]

i guarantee youre tracking like 90% useless stuff if that is the case

[sick sentinel]

I can't remember the process name, shield bash buff

[lusty grotto]

i could be wrong since ive been lurking but we never paid attention to procs other than SS resets

[dense remnant]

so the solution is to track the buffs you want with weakauras, my man

[sick sentinel]

FML my brain ain't working

[lusty grotto]

and outburst

[sick sentinel]

Gotcha tyty

OUTBURST

That's it

[lusty grotto]

thats about it

there are WAs for that

[dense remnant]

you basically NEVER wanna look at your blizz buff frames, if youre doing that

or any other list that just has non filtered buffs shown

or debuffs

[lusty grotto]

there are good outburst tracker weak auras, try to use those

[dense remnant]

most weakaura packages are just horrible cos they track all buffs of the spec by default for no reason

but ye, there are good ones around

[sick sentinel]

Okay Ty so much,

[cerulean tusk]

Why track outburst, when it can just come as a happy little suprise

[limpid ruin]

I agree. If I don’t track it then o don’t have to feel bad when I burn it on TC

[dusky canopy]

He’s baacckkk

[woven radish]

Best thing i ever did was get good at weak auras myself and make my own shit

The "WA packs" have so much bloat

[sweet summit]

real and true and so on and so forth (mine are bloated too)

[sick sentinel]

It's because I'm struggling to hold threat, I assume it's because my DPS is too low

I average roughly 300k-400k on single target fights however I lose aggro to Blood DKs

[oak ivy]

Yeah that's criminally low & DK's crank

[pallid quiver]

The only reason I even have an indicator for the revenge free proc is so I know when it's not going to cost me rage so I can be more ready to press IP if needed

[mighty valley]

You should be able to do more dps than that without really worrying about procs - I'd work on simplifying things for yourself and then worry about things like outburst when you're doing the basic rotation like it's second nature

[sick sentinel]

im not entirely sure what to do differently, i pop Avatar off cooldown in tandem with RAvager and Champ Spear for the bit of burst and i'm able to keep the mountain thane loop going without any problems

i have ilvl 614 (no enchants or gems) and just can't get past 400k no matter what

installed Ekili to help and same result, stuck at 400k

only other thing i can jump to is improper stat allocation or just a plain skill issue

i might not just be hitting revenge enough tbh idek

[jagged pier]

Need logs really

[tribal wharf]

ya, remove show all buffs, only show temp buffs, late reply, always forget to hit jump to bottom

but my theory also is to show all debuffs, unless its some raid that you get like 8 debuffs at once

cuz like, if you have debuff, its universally always bad

[toxic pewter]

New season almost here gang what we thinkin

[full plover]

Thinkin we zugg

[urban bane]

thinkin im stoked to press revenge

[strange lintel]

max threw us into c tier

above guardian

literally second worst tank xfd but meh if you ask me what ill be playing. its literally warrior. like always for as long as the games been online

[restive sage]

tier lists are ragebait

good content for streamers who dont have much to talk about in between patches

[full plover]

Just have all tanks at max level
Then play warrior because

[urban bane]

Was that max or max with dorki

I didnt watch

i doubt max is necessarily more knowledgeable or aware to be clear haha. just usually on those segments he talks to someone and gets their vibe on where a spec (or a couple specs) stand

[restive sage]

think it was with dorki

obviously dorki is knowledgeable but its meme content

[urban bane]

yea

[remote anchor]

max knows for raid but wont say publicly whats good

[restive sage]

and us plebs who arent doing bleeding edge content can play whatever we'd like

[urban bane]

yeh

[restive sage]

im actually feeling good about m+ this season

s1 was such a bust for me

least fun ive had doing keys since i started playing again

[full plover]

Wdym tanking was goated this ssn

[restive sage]

i just didnt have fun

all my friends played for like 2 weeks and quit

didnt like the dungeon pool

[full plover]

Yea I sure did love falling thru boats this season

[restive sage]

lol

dawnbreaker was fine

ara'kara was lowkey trash

[full plover]

I liked the heroic leap tech on last boss

[restive sage]

that boss might be my least favorite m+ boss ever

more than devos

although idk devos was an all time stinker

[lyric fern]

PSA that Max's community tier lists are pretty much always memes and combines both M+ and raid together so ratings are always scuffed
Stay big, blow up and fuck Walmart

Also dorki ranked every tank and stated he has no idea how good the tanks are in raid lol

[daring narwhal]

Any route for floodgate ?

[humble rose]

Most classes don't stack defensives, like Demon Spikes and Meta for example - However, Do we often stack them on Prot? Shield Block and Demo seem obvious as it's used for Damage too, but would we stack SB and SW? SB and Last Stand? I'm assuming because we CAN get 100% uptime on SB that we can stack, as if the uptime was like 60% we wouldn't stack?

[small steeple]

Shield block is always up

[humble rose]

That's what I thought, Thank you. I'm assuming because of the uptime that stacking is perfectly fine

[small steeple]

SB is mitigation

[humble rose]

No gaps to cover per se

[small steeple]

CDs are for big incoming damage

[humble rose]

Thanks! I'll keep that in mind

[sturdy topaz]

What order is it best to rotate CDs on COT first boss?

[small steeple]

Spell block and spell reflect should do a lot of the heavy lifting

[sharp rapids]

How good is prot gonna be for raiding in s2? I'm wondering if I should roll prot pala or prot warr

other tank is a blood DK in the raiding roster

[chilly brook]

not bad enough to warrant a reroll

how good will it be? who knows

[mighty valley]

Warriors are always decent for raid, need one for bs regardless and extra rallies are never bad

[obsidian otter]

I just hope they will adjust the shitty bosses that truck prot warriors such as Rixa in motherload etc. i still have bad memories of hearthing out before fighting her to change all my talents and gear just to hope to survive her constant un-blockable magic damage.

[mighty valley]

We’ve gained tools against magic damage since bofa

[cyan bronze]

y’all like subway?

[serene steppe]

Prefer the bus

[cyan bronze]

no the food

[obsidian otter]

The fight looks brutal on ptr for prot warriors in the videos I have seen. Spell block does not work on that fight so its going to be pray your healer is good that understands that we will need a lot more healing than other tanks on that boss.

[shut summit]

it definitely worked as of last week, do you have logs of it not working

[jagged gust]

Depends, am I sober or not when eating it?

[kind urchin]

I never had a problem with that fight in BFA. And we have even more tools to defend against it now than we had in BFA.

[strong forum]

Reminder you need to have Shield Block up for Spellblock to also block all spells

Not to throw shade, but there have been cases where people were not aware of that fact*

[urban portal]

down to macro shield into spell block

unironically not wrong tbh

[small steeple]

Are the magic attacks from the bnosses in motherlode blockable with spell block?

[sick sentinel]

prot warrior can tank the mage in Council with proper usage of magic dcd's so i'd imagine its just the same thing

spell reflect my beloved

[small steeple]

does this mean prot warrior is gonna be safe

[sharp olive]

You're already safe when dead

[small steeple]

[cerulean tusk]

If we got needed while tierlist meta say we are the worst

Imagine the uproar

We got tierlist immunity buff

[small steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[small steeple]

lets hope

my main for next season is between pwar and vdh at this point. Depepnding on the tuesday patch notes and the season 2 patch notes, I hope I have a clearer choice

[warm apex]

Is it more efficient to carry guildies through low keys as dps or tank? Assume the other role will be a random pug

[small steeple]

I wouldn't trust a rando tank if you plan and spamming lots of keys fast

[cerulean tusk]

Tank, you do DPS equal to more than your avg Pro PuG DPS. And you get to control the run

[warm apex]

All good points, thanks!

[small steeple]

When doing low keys, a lot of pug tanks do like 1 or 2 packs at a time. At most

[urban bane]

ya

[small steeple]

oh i heard they weren't. was that changed? Or wdid i just hear wrong?

[urban bane]

just their attacks are really random and sporadic not like a steady melee swing so it is like you press spell block and then nothing happens and then they hit a few times and then

at least it worked last weekend haha

hol up let me make sure im not talkin out of my ass

yeah they are spell blockable

i didnt log. but that's what sense's sheet says

they just are in a weird pattern so like rixxa does a few "auto attacks" and then channels like 4 or 5 spells and periodically does a few more in between.

just weird pattern

yes, it spell blocks. at least as of last week :)

[small steeple]

Thanks for looking into it

[urban bane]

We still pump :)

[obsidian otter]

I think I was going off the same info that you were from one of the streamers on beta. I have not been able to play beta as im recovering from neck surgery. So have only been able to watch people on ptr. I was wrong.

[obsidian otter]

Thanks, it is a relief, I was dreading going back in there with some of the healers I normally help get there portals.

[urban bane]

haha the auto attacks still can hit really hard dont get me wrong. and they're kinda sporadic and aren't telegraphed so if you have a gap in cds it just hurts but

it isnt like youre not going to be able to clear 12s or 14s whatever because of it. higher keys may suck but 🤷‍♂️

[pallid quiver]

I'm late, but try 1 mob at a time. I've had a tank who refused to pull until we poly'd/hex'd/etc all the other mobs and what not

[jagged gust]

Dude's just RPing as a time traveler from 2007

[formal tapir]

Shattered Halls PTSD

[strong blaze]

In the updates channel archimtiros says fury and arms nerfed by 5%, then ends with "but overall very minor and both specs still look like they'll be quite strong in the upcoming Season. Also Prot somehow dodged nerfs... for now" Whats he mean by the prot nerf dodge?

[strong forum]

On paper we currently seem to be quite ahead of other tanks when it comes to dmg output

[lusty coyote]

Excellent i suppose

[strong forum]

But we'll see how much of that will remain true when the patch is out

[strong blaze]

I see! wasnt aware of this, ty!

[jagged pier]

We probs be last if we get nerfs

[lusty coyote]

Actually, had a discussion with. Mate yesterday about what make tanks meta or not.
Felt like start of s1 was kinda good, but then palas dmg got buff, or ?

[jagged pier]

The thing ppl are basing damage off it pretty much warrior apl working correctly and finished against the others not baving that

[strong forum]

Pala was already dmg king before that

The buffs helped pallys survival greatly

[lusty coyote]

Ah ok

So bdk doing a ton of dmg, is not meta due ti them not surviving as much

[strong forum]

Also doesn't help the group

Beyond amz

Pally brings wog/bop/sac/freedom/spellward/devo aura/avengers shield

Bdk is also not doing that much more dmg

[lusty coyote]

Ah ok

A sneaky grip once in a while

Have always been envious about that grip...

[violet ginkgo]

should warrior have more shout type that is group cd?

[mild river]

Warriors should have (more) utilities. That's the thing blizz should change a little among all classes.

[jagged pier]

4-5 stops a buff and party/raid cd isnt enough?

Monk as 3 including incap, 4 if u include ring. A worse buff and nothing else

Bear a raid buff and movement speed thing 3 stops and res

Seems kind of even on the most part

Uer pala and vdh go a bit further more utility but not by a lot its just a different type

[lost quest]

Warrior just needs a kind of bloodlust tbh

[analog raft]

Warrior need better group utility

We can't dispell, we can't purge, we can't dispell enrage, we can't BL, we can't BR and we boost only melee

[little marsh]

AoE interrupt shout like we used to have

talent node choosing between ST ranged fear and AoE melee fear

[analog raft]

Even warrior classic have better utility than us 🤣

I remember MoP when we have a lot of good banner, skull banner, damage reduction banner

Mass spell reflect

[little marsh]

Throw a chain to your target, grip to close distance and be able to drag it a few seconds

something

yeah, intervene affecting spells was a thing on TWW beta

and as prot if we mitigate hard enough or do decent dmg we can be meta

dps warrior has nothing

[vague abyss]

damn, looks like 11.1 will be a rough patch for us lol

[remote anchor]

it will be fine

[vague abyss]

at least we are better than the aug evokers, they are in full doom atm lol

[void oak]

tbh i dont know wich stat would be good for us in the next patch i checked all item from dungeon and raid and we have really a few haste versa gear

[vague abyss]

i have a feeling i should just play my main warlock. I like tanking in the first weeks because of tank privilege, also im the only actually good warlock of my guild so i kinda have to, and if dps warrior is poop too, sigh

[jagged pier]

eh?

[cerulean tusk]

Tierlist info, not based on sims or PTR testing. I would just smile and nod

[brittle owl]

wow needs to lose like 3/4 of its playerbase until people just play for fun lmao

[tulip oar]

Good, that class needs to fall off a cliff and never show its face again.

[vague abyss]

honestly they should just make augs a tank class, because Blizzard sure cant figure how to make a support class work. Either is mandatory and OP, or is a literal crutch and you may as well be deleted

[tulip oar]

Support class just doesn't work in this game. It makes it impossible to balance, because it fucks with every other class's balance.

Fine in raid, horrible in m+

[round pendant]

When a game dies it's only the gigasweats who keep playing

[rancid tiger]

100%

Its not the casuals that stay

[unborn island]

Do you guys have days where you just..play like ass for no reason?

I was throwing hard last night

Like, getting instagibbed on pulls I've done 100x before (and it was defs my fault)

[cerulean tusk]

We all have those days. Days you just play like trash. Days you are angry, sad or happy.
We are all human and suffer from the human condition

[remote anchor]

Speak for yourself I always play like shit

[cerulean tusk]

The shit or shit, is the difference

[unborn island]

Hehehe

[rancid tiger]

I always play well, its the other ppls fault

My fav is when i leap then walk into a hole in like ara

[eager canopy]

My fave garbage play I did lately was falling off the ledge in Boralus during the first pull…

[unborn island]

Last night it was the pack inside the church side entrance in DB, a pack I have pulled at least 20 times on 12+ with no issues, often along with the stuff outside.

And I just got gibbed, 3 times in a row. What an arsehole

[tribal wharf]

whats that dungeon that has tyr in it

the key stone one

start of the key, not even 3 seconds later i held W ' d off the ledge like, not hitting the ramp or bridge or whatever

thats one of my biggest complaints, in any keystone, the very very very beginning of the keystone should never ever be you can walk off and die

[hardy snow]

Dawn of the infinites, 2nd part of it

[tribal wharf]

i also said in the past you should die in like, 2 or 3 boss ability hits, and really more what i mean is like, its some shit the boss does every 3 seconds blasts me with fire, if i dont do the DR right on 3 of them in a row, then i die

more than so its like, the boss has all these abilities, and then 2 of them hit you at once and then you are instantly dead

[hardy snow]

Which boss exactly does that?

[tribal wharf]

i think most keystone bosses should be like that

or its like, you have a special sound you play that is unique if you get hit for a very large portion of your health, more than 30% at least

in duke nukem 3d, if you are using the jet pack or just way on a high cliff and fall too long, you take damage when you land , but if you fall too far, he starts to scream and if you touch ground instantly dead

in doom, if you get hit by a cyber demon with a rocket in the face, or with a archvile fire attack, your hud face does a special animation and often makes a loud uniqe player scream.

[hardy snow]

You can add sound effects for specific actions via WA, Such function in game as base would be quite annoying

[tribal wharf]

i think blizzard should put those types of things in

[tulip oar]

Blizzard needs to do a lot to fix its UI. That eould mean paying some of these add on creators though.

[tribal wharf]

or like a step counter, monsters in wow have to take a short walk or wait a certain duration of time before it can start to recast crap, some monsters and bosses just spam the hell out of abilities

in doom, monsters have all sorts of varying step counters, based on when you aggro them if you pain state them if they are rezed by archvile, what they did or saw last

all sorts of things.

i think the addon creators for wow who are very clearly talented should be hired by blizzard

[dark barn]

Blizz really buffed guardian damage lol. Im afraid now they are a stronger option than prot war

[sick sentinel]

Are people still playing this game?

[sharp rapids]

No because warrior is dead

[sick sentinel]

😁

[sharp rapids]

They nerfed fury and arms by 5% so I had to quit

[sick sentinel]

What killed them?

Omg

[sharp rapids]

Yeah I got so mad when I read the patch note that I broke my monitor

[sick sentinel]

Haha

[sharp rapids]

They massacered my boy

[sick sentinel]

It’s part of their business model

They want ppl to hop on to an alt. And they are counting on a certain % can’t be arsed to level a new toon that is META so they buy a power level token

[dark barn]

Idk why they cant let arms to be meta ONCE.

[sick sentinel]

5% Will make the noobs on a crowd flight

Arms was meta in legion

[dark barn]

Legion was ages ago, we lived in caves and searched for fruits in that time

[sick sentinel]

Still do

[dark barn]

We stronk

[sick sentinel]

But blizzard hasn’t forgotten about that one time warrior’s was meta

[lone token]

Arms still stonks, believe

[dark barn]

I love arms and probably will do dps with mine this season. But i guess this will have a psychologic effect to the meta-chasers of m+ 10

[sick sentinel]

😁

When will WoW 2.0 be released?

Rewritten from scratch with a new graphics engine

[cerulean tusk]

Hopefully never

WoW2.0 is either just an engine update, replacing current one, seemlessly - or splitting the playerbase and inrepairably harming their sunk-ship invenstment ppl put it.

[hardy snow]

I would say we currently have even WoW 3.0. Its now way different game than it was in legion for example and legion was already like 2.0 compared to vanilla-cata period imo

[unborn island]

So I see they're giga nerfing aug.

My 2cents (and maybe this is because I only played with bad augs) was that in the keys I am doing (15 absolute max) they didn't upgrade everyone's damage enough to make up for not having a real third DPS. The damage taken reduction, while nice, wasn't ever sufficient in pugs to allow pulls we couldn't do otherwise, as we were more limited by kicks than throughput etc. It did make life easier for the DPS who could avoid to not use personals, and probably for the healer, but I didn't think it was 'necessary'.

I get they're OP in higher keys for obvious reasons, but in the levels I was playing I always just kinda thought meh

Not sure how you guys found it?

[cerulean tusk]

I didnt go high enough that augs were needed or wanted, so meh?

I am sorry that the casual augs get hit by this. Yet, it has been really oppressive in the 0.1% meta picture. Not to mention in the 0.01%.
Since they got implemented into the game none-the-less.

It is likely a good thing to have the meta be different. As it was getting extremely stale after years on years

[vivid pumice]

gonna test colossus on m+ in live, you guys got any string? wowhead only has raid talents for colossus

[cerulean tusk]

@strong forum, why no M+ build for Col? Lazy lazy.

[cerulean tusk]

CkEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYEDAAAAzMzMmZGMbzsMzMzyCjhpxgxMAWGzMDYmZMDMDDAAAAAAYmBAYZbDwAsYGDLwAzwCN2YWA
^ The one Nome uses

CkEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY2yAAAAgZmZGzMDzsMzyMzMbLmxgGDGzAYZGMswYGzYmxwAAAAAAAGzAAYBwAsZGDLwAzwCNWMzC
^ The one that is a bit more defencive

[hardy snow]

its there #1269007003469090878 message

[vivid pumice]

thanks

[broken light]

hey any way to make routes for season 2 dungeons?

mdt doesnt help :(

have the legacy ones via plugin but dont have the new 5 dungeons in mdt

[hardy snow]

I guess mdt will get update sooner or later, its over a week before season starts, plenty of time for it

[cerulean tusk]

It is not up on WoWhead on the build pages for M+

Smh

No M+ build

lazy lazy nome

[remote anchor]

theres 2 pages for builds

its kinda confusing

[strong forum]

i specifically removed it from the overview page as i didnt recommend it for people to play

[cerulean tusk]

Censourship?!

[lavish rose]

that's not the british version

[small steeple]

You didn't recommend people play col???? Ehh gahd. I thought you were the col guy

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/hue-huehue-huehuehue-duck-laugh-gif-4916860

[tribal wharf]

part of, and im sort of making it up but not really

another big ish reason i wouldnt go bear is cuz im known as yogi

yogi, in the bear discord..... nope...

thats a line too far for me

[small steeple]

lmao

[lavish rose]

I'm consdiering which tank to main for the next raid, mostly between BDK, BrM and ProtWar. Any opinions on the state of warrior in the next patch? Things you like, you don't, comments on anything? I'm talking mostly design, tuning always changes. And I am looking for opinions, don't tell me "play what you like", I'm aware all tanks are viable.

[small steeple]

What is your co-tank first of all? Often tank selection is needed for utility

[vocal cave]

design is good, unfotunately dmg profile is not playing into warrior's strenght next season

[lavish rose]

Most likely paladin cotank

[vocal cave]

is it serious guild?

[lavish rose]

We are serious, we're just not good

joke aside, no we're not serious that's why I'm asking about playstyles, any tank can work here

[small steeple]

Well BrM normally has the least amount of tank deaths statistically. BDK is also very good for raid tanking. And does a lot of raid damage. Pwar looks like it might have the highest simming pure single target tank build (other tank apls aren't updated, looking at you vdh) but its a real degen playstyle and drops a ton of survivability

[lavish rose]

I enjoy degen playstyle as long as it's not boring

if "degen playstyle" is cancelaura a buff then meh

[vocal cave]

I dont get it, you ask for playstyle and begin with "dont tell me to play what you like"

[cerulean tusk]

BrM and BDK is classic picks, and if your mate aint a BDK, you prob should be one.

After that it is a question of what raidbuffs is needed, more than anything, for the choice between Warrior/DH and BrM

[lavish rose]

But for instance, I don't really enjoy downtime with nothing to click, or rng for defensives

[small steeple]

It goes all in on execute and execute damage

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ejWnoSRUuLvREcnwEcErmZ

[cerulean tusk]

Is that the legendary degen execute spam sim?

[small steeple]

One of em

[cerulean tusk]

This is SL all over again

[small steeple]

I lost my original sim I ran myself so this is someone elses 😦

[cerulean tusk]

None of the tanks is this game is "RNG" when in comes to their mitigation CDs. Dont worry. And all tanks fill their GCDs.

[lavish rose]

An example: vdh used to have the issue of spikes having very low uptime. And currently I don't like the overflow of resources they have between souls and fury, and ignoring one of them in certain cases, stuff like that seems like bad design

[cerulean tusk]

Spikes have been 100% uptime for ages under correct play, no?

[lavish rose]

bear used to be boring with two button spam (I don't think they are now, but examples of what I'm looking for)

[cerulean tusk]

Bear is still boring, dont worry

Still aint random tho

[small steeple]

not quite, its an "effective" 100% uptime because you don't use spikes during meta

[vocal cave]

bear is very not boring on raid tbf

[cerulean tusk]

All tanks are boring in raid

wdum

[small steeple]

cat weaving

yeah?

[cerulean tusk]

You got a week of learning the fight, then a month of watching ppl die

[lavish rose]

yeah raid tanking is not the most exciting role by default, that's exactly why I'm looking for tanks that have interesting playstyles themselves

[cerulean tusk]

Just go BDK, play the DPS minmax game

Try to live stupid shit

[small steeple]

well cat weaving for bear could be fun? Never played bear in raid but idk

[cerulean tusk]

It is some fun at least

[vocal cave]

bdk is literally one cookie cutter build

for all content

[uncut sparrow]

Plenty of time to run some content on the various tanks right now. Prot War is going to be very similar, Blood DK and Brew the same going into season 2. Nothing is really getting a total rework just tweaks. See what feels good. Have backups at the ready going in incase of changes.

[small steeple]

For raid at least. In m+ you got some choices for survivability vs damage

[lavish rose]

Right, build variety would also be cool, so I can change if it gets old

[cerulean tusk]

If you want variety, nothing beats druid.

Still plays tank like shit tho

Warrior is best tank tank, BDK is most fun risk machine and VDH is jumpyboy

[lavish rose]

and I did get the ptr realm and tried it out on some dummies, just to test basic rotations, that's how I discarded vdh for isntance

[cerulean tusk]

Aight, then ask your RL

BDK, MrW or Pwarr needed?

[lavish rose]

Are people doing raid in the ptr?

[cerulean tusk]

Yep, ppl did raid testing

[small steeple]

Raid testing ended a while though I think?

[vocal cave]

youll get nothing out of this discord it seems

[uncut sparrow]

You can still do stuff in live, see how things feel. Especially if you have not been tanking at all.

[lavish rose]

Yeah I just wanted people's opinion on warriors lol, someone tell me why they play warrior, what they like or not like

[dark barn]

BrM for raids, prot war is just boring in this scenario

[small steeple]

I like the big feeling of Shield Slame and Demolish

And in aoe revenge go brr

[cerulean tusk]

You play warrior if you want a "straightforward" tank tank. That does two things, get hit and hit back. No fluff, bells or whistles.

[vocal cave]

warrior is about not taking damage through high mitigation, aka feeling of being brick wall, next season however lots of unblockable dmg so not a good season for it probably

[sweet summit]

fun 👍

[lavish rose]

With all the back and forth about SS resets, did they land on a reasonable ppm? I heard at one point there was some downtime if unlucky with procs. I don't really like not having anything to press, specially as a tank if I find myself in a challenging moment and I don't have anything to press it feelsbad

[cerulean tusk]

Even with the worst PPM, you only had dead GCDs if you played it wrong

So dont worry about it

[mighty valley]

eh, there were definitely gonna be gaps if they’d kept the rock bottom tuning, right after the first changes

But they fixed it

[cerulean tusk]

I managed 5min intervalls at its worst, with no gaps. Just had to really keep ragebanks in mind

It felt... akward, and unfun. But it was playable.

Now tho, well - havent checked after the most recent change, but the one before then. It was all alright

Important to note - I am talking Col, not Thane.

[lavish rose]

I thought there were only 2 changes: 30% (current) to 20% (first iteration) and then 20 to 25

[cerulean tusk]

There was a whole bunch of changes to rage gains, from a bunch of talents

[lavish rose]

Oh I think I liked thane more than col by the very little testing I did in ptr. Felt faster and lower downtime, related to this

ah

[mighty valley]

Both will work fine, but colossus is looking to do silly damage

Just gotta be slightly more thoughtful on colossus to keep enough rage in the tank

[sick sentinel]

Prot has a tool for everything and Intervene feels great to use when saving other players

[lavish rose]

Warrior
Thoughtful

sounds fake but ok

I came in here to smash

[mighty valley]

i said “slightly”, it’s all relative

[small steeple]

"it's all relative"
Einstein circa 1917

[mighty valley]

Einstein was talking about prot warrior

[small steeple]

Exactly

Einstein knew that Azeroth would need his help

[tribal wharf]

Einstein Joins the Kirin Tor
"So if you were to travel at near the speed of light through the Twisting Nether," he told them, sketching on a parchment, "you would experience time at a much slower rate than someone standing in the Undercity."

Jaina Proudmoore, listening nearby, gasped. "That would explain why some of our reinforcements take so long to arrive!"

Einstein nodded sagely. “Ja, and this is why I am here.”

man i love gpt

it put him in DF to some reason

The Final Battle: Einstein vs. the Void Lords
Armed with his equations, Einstein crafted a device—a Relativity Distortion Apparatus—that could stabilize Azeroth’s collapsing timelines. As he floated through the swirling chaos, he muttered, “I hope this works… or else I vill be very, very stretched.”

oh no, it wants to retcon the time lines :S

[small steeple]

lmao

[spring depot]

I’m raid tanking for the first time since vanilla!

[cerulean tusk]

Gl and hf Elliot! Try not to fall asleep

[paper beacon]

I really think all these tier lists are underestimating warrior

[strong forum]

Such is the way of pwar

[paper beacon]

it does so much damage

[strong forum]

We're stronger than in s1

In s1 we were meta until ppal came online

But suddenly we're rated as the worst again

[paper beacon]

and pwar was already like, 2nd best tank even at the end

[strong forum]

Such is the pwar cycle

If you ain't first you're last

[paper beacon]

I main brew, and I'm thinking of switching to pwar cuz like

[cerulean tusk]

Pwar is the class to play if you want compliments in /w after the run tho

[paper beacon]

I'm convinced Brewmaster is going to be the lowest damage tank by a lot, and blizzard doesn't like buffing brewmaster at all.

[cerulean tusk]

[strong forum]

It's a strange string of coincidences that pwar got touched at all

Mostly from blizzard completely fucking up

And then having to do more than they wanted to, to correct it

[jagged pier]

Dont get too attacted to that

[strong forum]

But yeah, usually tanks don't get anything done

Especially brew bear bdk

[pallid quiver]

like B

damn he beat me to it

[strong forum]

🅱️asically the 🅱️s

[pallid quiver]

Bear's probably the one that gets nudged the most out of those three, but yeah, those are generally pretty consistent

[paper beacon]

I did make a prediction that bear would be bottom of tier lists next to brewmaster and then get a huge buff to something leaving brew at the bottom again.

[vague abyss]

in season 2 we go thane or colossus?

[strong forum]

Thane is more consistently tanky still

[vague abyss]

thanks, love thane

[strong forum]

But colossus shits out massive amounts more dmg in aoe

And is considerably tankier than in s1

[pallid quiver]

until they nerf revenge damage by 95% in the inevitable nerfs

[strong forum]

May even be tankier in certain scenarios than Thane

Due to 20% larger IP, perma 5% DR gain and 20% stronger crit blocks

[cerulean tusk]

That critblock value is pointless, if they didnt fix it from beta. As we already capped out at 85%.

On beta critblock with or without it maxed out at the same point. Very sadge

[spring depot]

🤣

[kind urchin]

Best part of raid tanking is parsing.

[jagged gust]

Speaking of, someone just beat my LFR parse, gotta go fix that

[vale escarp]

anyone got a colossus ptr build i can try?

[glacial lynx]

I only do heroic and 10s (12s next season I guess) so I just played colossus anyway so im pretty set right

[jagged gust]

💯

[cerulean burrow]

not sure where i read it but is ignore pain going to be the same roughly like it is now where you're spamming it a bunch? i felt like i read something somewhere that said its getting changed

[small steeple]

gonna be hit less

[cerulean burrow]

is there anywhere to see the actual changes themselves or do you know what its gonna be to make us hit it less

[small steeple]

we have less rage

and IP press does more each time, especially on col

[crimson furnace]

kira is 🤤 on collossus atm on live

[tribal wharf]

im not sure if its the correct spec as col but there is something that interacts with basically more IP

[crimson furnace]

its beautiful to wathc

[tribal wharf]

im not sure if this is a meta pick

[small steeple]

compared to its choice? yeah its the only real choice in that node

[jagged gust]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/undermined-development-notes/2031155/4 These patch notes, which have been walked back somewhat over a few newer patch iterations cover the essentials. Bunch of talents had their rage gen nerfed in various ways with the intention of reducing the need to dump rage with IP as often

[tribal wharf]

or if BV is picked or fixed yet

one of the 2 on BV node is forever broke (wtf)

[small steeple]

BV just sucks for prot

or whatever the healing one ios

[tribal wharf]

maybe now with buffs to ip , together

30% more ip

thats like, 50% ip i thin

[small steeple]

tbh i have no clue what your talking about at this point

[tribal wharf]

i think there is a 20% buff to IP in the patch

and then 10 from BV 20 from no stranger to pain

[small steeple]

Yes, but those arten't additive buffs

[tribal wharf]

what i bet it is that sucks about BV, is that it only creates a very tiny shield instantly gets eaten

hard to say

[small steeple]

yeah no Brutal Vitality is the good one

Fueled by violence is trash

[tribal wharf]

isnt one of the 2 actual bug

and has been for like multiple expansions

[small steeple]

one of the two what?

[cerulean burrow]

ty!

[small steeple]

Brutal vitality is really good, and just gonna be better, especially with Col war next patch

[jagged gust]

that doesn't sound right

Though I do love some good ol' fashion self healing

[small steeple]

Brutal vitality is the one taht adds to your ignore pain

[jagged gust]

ohhh I'm dumb

Okay yea no that sounds right haha

[strong forum]

kira the first one to play colossus in keys on stream and everyone going "what is this DPS why did people rank this tank so low??"

also playing a good talent build

crazy

[full plover]

Post build and details

[urban bane]

I wonder why that would be

well this is probably the beginning of the end of our crazy damage arc as 11.1 starts :)

[small steeple]

lmao

twas a matter of time till a streamer ruined it lol

[strong forum]

Not ruined

It's just funny that all of PTR nobody thought of ykno... Testing the other hero tree

[urban bane]

:)

[small steeple]

you mean any one that streamed at least lol

[strong forum]

Well yeah I mean all the "content creators"

The ones with the tierlist propaganda

[urban bane]

I know i said to dorki and yoda to try col on more than one occasion xdd

But i mean im just a chatter

[small steeple]

I know Sha, who is a smaller tank creator, who mostly does BrM tried col and actually prefered prot war after the changes gameplay wise

[kind urchin]

I played colossus on ptr. Did a cinderbrew last night and the group was going nuts over the prot warrior damage.

[small steeple]

lol

Man if it gets nerfed I am gonna be so dissapointed

[strong forum]

Not if

When

[urban bane]

when hah

Yeah. it is a little ridic. But hopefully they take a light touch

[sacred flare]

how does rage gen in single target look like in 11.1?

[strong forum]

About the same

[urban bane]

oh he's running battering ram instigate it looks like

[strong forum]

Correct

[small steeple]

do you think its going to be a really big damage nerf?

[strong forum]

No

[urban bane]

Fun

[strong forum]

Instigate Battering Ram > Ravager bloodsurge

[urban bane]

Even in aoe? tight

[strong forum]

Tierset enables very high uptime on Battering Ram

[small steeple]

sims seem to show that too

[urban bane]

I was still surge on keys and it was honestly bing chillin

[strong forum]

Nah

[urban bane]

SO good to know that's better

[kind urchin]

With the tier set. We get pretty good shield charge cdr.

[strong forum]

Bloodsurge is only better on over 5 targets

[small steeple]

ah and i simmed at 5 targets

[strong forum]

Below that Instigate wins

And well

It's better to have the consistently good rage gen from instigate

[urban bane]

ya no dry on boss

Not bad

[strong forum]

Than the rng conditionally rage gen from surge

And Ravager is just falling off cuz Tier

[small steeple]

is this gonna be the first time instigate isn't taken over surge outside of single target?

[urban bane]

I'll miss tossing out the spinny blade

[small steeple]

err is

[urban bane]

But nice to run battering ram again!

[strong forum]

Yeah

But even harder to pick up BSV (if you ever would)

But atleast we have a real tank trinket next season if you wanted to run one

Bombsuit does actually something

[urban bane]

Nice.

[small steeple]

Spear or roar?

[strong forum]

Whichever you like

Both are practically the same dmg

Spear has bigger spikes, roar is more frequent

Those are the tradeoffs

[urban bane]

Am i remembering correctly nome: you tested the spear/roar combo and IO + one or other still comes out better yea?

[strong forum]

Si

IO is more dmg and infinitely tankier

Than playing both spear and roar

[waxen cradle]

Not been around much the past couple weeks... was the 25% reset chance and the 25% included reset to devastator confirmed ?

[strong forum]

Yes

Was never a bug

[waxen cradle]

cool

VERY nice walk back from our nerfs then

[strong forum]

Forced walk back

Through extensive yelling

[urban bane]

[waxen cradle]

hell yeah that's what I like to see

[woven radish]

Bump for Sha, awesome dude

[sacred flare]

was wondering if some one had a ptr build that they would recommend

[jagged gust]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/talent-calc/warrior/protection/colossus/DAPAUVRBFQhYVIoUFQBANVUVFRERFVZVRQDRQAEFVVUBQ

this is what i got rockin

[sacred flare]

Ah so not much different than some current current patch

[mint knot]

chat cooking yoda nice C tier

🤣

holy shiet colossus is BLASTING in m+!

❤️

[crimson furnace]

seeing him staying at 11 mill

finishing the pack at 10

beautiful

man, the fact that I did not know that u dont need to stay in spear anymore...

what a fail on my part 😦

i did avoid spear as the plague all these years 😦

[chilly brook]

bro is finally playing colossus lmao

[vague condor]

was anyone able to get his talents

[mint knot]

Kira's?

ye

This: https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/talent-calc/warrior/protection/colossus/DAPAVVBBFVgYVIoUEQBANVUVFRERFVZVRQDRVAEFVVUBQ

[chilly brook]

Yoda regarding colossus: “it’s like the same damage as other tanks in their full dps talents”

[mint knot]

and this: https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/talent-calc/warrior/protection/colossus/DAPAVVBBFVgIVIpVAQBANVUVFRERFVZVRQDRRAEFVVUBQ

[vague condor]

ty

[mint knot]

Kira kept swapping between roar/spear and spear/IO. Also tested enduring defenses/massacre

Swaps between those nodes basically

[chilly brook]

Yoda takes are so wild

[urban bane]

admitting when you're wrong about something is hard to do (in re: yoda, not you lul)

[mint knot]

Also swaps between rumbling earth and crackling thunder

[tropic pond]

sry guys but when is the last date for s1? is it 25 or 3?

[chilly brook]

S1 is over on Tuesday

CE is available until the following reset when the new raid is released

[tropic pond]

okk thanks

[mint knot]

Seeing Kira's run got me interested in trying out colossus. Could use some help/feedback from you all lovely lads if you don't mind. https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/talent-calc/warrior/protection/colossus/DAPAVVBRFVgIVIoUEQBANVUVFRERFVZVRQDRRAEFVVUBQ If you wanted BSV what could be dropped for it? Prot colossus is crit/haste instead of haste/vers?

[jagged gust]

You're losing a spear capstone for a QOL talent in your class tree. Intim Shout, Bounding Stride, Crackling Thunder, Honed Reflexes and Rumbling Earth are all good talents, but you can only choose two, pick whatever suits you.

DA is just better than IW now that it no longer gens rage. Generally crit/haste always works well for prot. Taking BSV means you probably have to lose a SC capstone, and since you traded ravager for Battering ram, it's probably battering ram for BSV

[mint knot]

Cheers. Yeah I put IO in and would maybe also like BSV just to have more safety as I go in experimenting with the spec. As I get more comfortable and understand what is dangerous and what’s not, then I’ll optimize some more. Thanks for the feedback

[sharp gale]

Next season to get bsv it’s no longer ravager we need to drop ?

Nvm I checked his build xd

Np np

[idle copper]

Why is Battering Ram a pick now?

[urban bane]

because of the s2 tier and the fact we like instigate

we get big cdr on shield charge and that means big uptime on battering ram and more rage from instigate

nome was sayin earlier that even in aoe worth doing battering ram and instigate (dropping ravager for it); i dont know the maths of it but i trust nome's knowledge on it

[idle copper]

Cheers

[idle copper]

Sorry , what's the correlation between battering ram and instigate? (sorry if it's a stupid question)

[nocturne ibex]

Battering ram increases auto attack speed
Instigate makes auto attacks generate 2 rage

[idle copper]

👍

[idle copper]

Patch is 25th and S2 starts on the 4th?
Does that mean S1 ends on 24th or 3rd?

[mild river]

03rd

[old basin]

are we ruined in season 2 ?

[sweet summit]

what makes you think that

[lilac basalt]

Probably missed the last few pages of the chat 😀

[round cliff]

nerf inc

blizzard didn't expect us to use this

[idle copper]

👍

[strong forum]

We're literally getting buffed

[gritty oriole]

We play colossus or thane in m+ in 11.1

[jagged pier]

Which ever u like

[old basin]

i like thane

[old basin]

wtf finally

[dense remnant]

im still waiting for the patch notes to say that the devastator proc buff was a mistake, and it's gonna be reverted

[hot orbit]

What buff??

[dense remnant]

this one

it was not mentioned in any of the patch notes directly, and was bunched up (prolly accidentally) with the other nerf reductions that they did before

that, or they really suck at communicating what they are aiming for with changes

[hot orbit]

It was 20% and now upped to 25% ?

[dense remnant]

ye

the other shield slam reset went 30 - 20 - 25%

strategist reset just went from 20 to 25%

[hardy snow]

they said they want us to have less SS resets, so they make changes that (along with new 4p) increases amount of SS resets #justblizzardthings 🤷‍♂️

[sharp gale]

Tbh I already had a discussion on that but nerfing strategist reset with the goal they stated is logic

[sharp rapids]

How soon after patch hits do we have new updated talent builds? Or are they already out?

[strong forum]

As soon as patch is live the wowhead guides will be updated

[sharp rapids]

Also I'm trying to get into raid tanking for S2, so far I did some basic Prot Pally tanking on Normals but nothing harder

My main issue with protection pally is that it feels like I have to constantly spam so many damn buttons

Is Prot warrior better or worse when it comes to this?

[strong forum]

Worse

[dense remnant]

do you have a problem with how many different buttons youre spamming, or just the raw amount of key presses per minute?

[sharp rapids]

I don't mind like fast APM as long as it's not the same 2-3 buttons that are being spammed 80% of the time

[strong forum]

Yeah well

Then you're gonna have a hard time in wow

[sharp rapids]

I mean I main Fury atm so idk, I don't mind fury level

[strong forum]

That's essentially every class

Huuh fury is the worst offender of all classes

[sharp rapids]

But for prot pally it feels like I have to constantly spam the spinning Hammers and judgement or whatever

Idk it just feels like shit vs fury, idk how to explain it

[dense remnant]

fury just presses 3 different buttons a lot, right?

[strong forum]

Yeah

It's extremely spammy

[dense remnant]

which is fine by him

[sharp rapids]

Well I'm playing mountain thane so it's more of a 4-5 button rotation

And not just the same 2

[dense remnant]

he just doesnt like having to press 5+ buttons regularly

right?

[sharp rapids]

Idk it's hard to explain but Prot pally just feels really weird to play

[strong forum]

Idk Just try pwar

If you already have a war

[sharp rapids]

I might just not understand the class or rotation well enough

[dense remnant]

prot pala has kinda the same amount of buttons as quite a few other specs, fury is just an outlier

[sharp rapids]

Hmm

Yeah idk

[strong forum]

Doesn't hurt to try lol

Just hit dummies

Learn your rotation

See if you like it

[sharp rapids]

Are the talents gonna drastically change or is it gonna be mostly the same next season

Like playstyle wise

[strong forum]

99.8% the same

[sharp rapids]

Alright yeah than I'll just try it now and see

[dense remnant]

but also you prolly wanna take a look at your keybinds

[sharp rapids]

I think I have siren isle shield and a one hand sword somewhere lol

[sharp rapids]

Yeah realistically speaking I need to rework my whole UI and rethink some keybinds but I am overwhelmed by everything else I need to do before S1 ends so I guess I'll do it in the pre season or something lol

[dense remnant]

first 4 mythic bosses are fine with that siren isle shield, you'll be fine with those to test how it feels

[sharp rapids]

Mythic raid? Nah I haven't even gotten there on my main lol

[dense remnant]

the best time to do your UI and keybinds was years ago, the 2nd best time is now

[sharp rapids]

My guild has been slacking hard, I barely managed to get AOTC

And I had to pug Queen alone

50 wipes baby

[sharp rapids]

True, right now I need to grab any remaining S1 stuff that's going away on Wednesday tho but after that I'll try to focus on it

[dense remnant]

my general goal is to add like 2-4 decent new keybinds every new xpac, been like that since legion

but im a weirdo with a spaceship UI as well

[sharp rapids]

I use Bellulars Keybind spreadsheet

[dense remnant]

whats that

[sharp rapids]

Just slightly modified to fit me better

I just have to modify it a bit more

[sharp rapids]

It's quite smart for me who plays a lot of alts for gold farming etc, basically lays out every spell for every spec into the same keybind categories

[dense remnant]

you mind linking that?

[sharp rapids]

Ye trying to find it one sec

https://youtu.be/MEy4X08F-UM

The sheet is in the description

You can just skip the entire vid and go straight to the google sheet, it's mostly explained there anyway

[dense remnant]

not utilizing T or G without modifiers, or 5 at all seems like wasted good keybinds

same with § or tab, and to lesser extent capslock

personal preferences ofc are a thing

and also not suggesting any modifiers for mouse buttons, and not suggesting mousewheel up/down or wheel press

its a good base, but definitely can add a ton of pretty easy keybinds to that

[sharp rapids]

Yeah absolutely

I have already added stuff to most of those

I wish I could find a mouse like the G502 button wise but without being a fat piece of shit with a weird shape and Logitech G

I think 2-3 more buttons on my mouse would be very chill but atm I just have 2

[dense remnant]

g502 is the greatest mouse of all time

anything else is heresy

g502 has three buttons for the thumb, plus shift, and mousewheel, and add shift,ctrl and alt modifier for those, generally enough for most things

[unborn island]

How do you guys hit your shift modifier? I find it janky as fuck, so I only use alt mod which I hit with my thumb.

I find that with alt mod + the keys I have and my g502, I have just about enough to get by?

[dense remnant]

my pinky is always resting at shift

[round cliff]

i cant use alt mod

because my mouse keys are bound to my fkeys

so ill alt f4 the game on accident lol

[dense remnant]

any specific reason why you wouldnt change your mouse keybinds then?

f1-f4 are pretty closeby to just be used with left hand

[round cliff]

hell no they arent wtf

Big Hands Larry over here

[dense remnant]

i have the smallest hands from anyone i know

i dont mean rotational shit

[unborn island]

So I use the f keys as well, which would have caused this problem, I literally downloaded a Microsoft tool called Powertoys and literally disabled altf4 while I'm running WoW

[dense remnant]

but i have CR, out of comat rezz, lust on F1-4

raid buff on F5

[round cliff]

i just click shout on my sidebar tbh

[dense remnant]

clicking is highly illegal

HIGHLY illegal

[unborn island]

Back when I was more comfortable years ago I did it via registry, but no longer 🙂