Really wish they let us move with demolish....i freakin die inside everything a mob moves out or my target died to someone else's huge crit
#protection
woven radish
Demolish needs a little QoL changes but damn i love how hard it hits, feels so good. Like arms warrior pretending to be a shield boi
dusky canopy
Imagine iframes while channeling
lone hemlock
Demolish buff looks nice- for protection though id imagine I would lose quite a bit of rage going from thane to collosus
woven radish
Honestly felt fine on ptr, once you re-train your brain to not mindlessly spam IP when you don't need it i felt really strong and rarely rage starved (and in all honestly the few times it happened i admit i was playing sloppy on those pulls)
The IP size diff on Colossus vs Thane was very noticeable too
dense remnant
ye but i was thinking more about the animation
slim pier
who moved prot
clear crest
ionic fern
I gotchu.
thorny stone
finally the correct order prot > fury nvm
inner belfry
Hi, just leveled a prot warrior for the first time, also first tank character, is there a plater profile that shows what spells can be blocked/reflected?
ionic fern
Does anyone know what does the most damage on ptr? thane or colossus
Colossus.
ionic fern
Hi, just leveled a prot warrior for the first time, also first tank character, i...
Not sure about a profile.
We have a reflectable/blockable sheet pinned in this channel.
ionic fern
Do you wanna spam Revenge as colossus?
Colossus plays the same like now, yes.
slim pier
I've never really played colossus on prot
ionic fern
Yes, you spam Revenge. 🙂
slim pier
when do you wanna use TC?
chilly brook
Colossus is looking better tbh
inner belfry
Not sure about a profile.
We have a reflectable/blockable sheet pinned in this c...
It's a matter of memorizing then, ok ty
ionic fern
You can follow some generic rules, e.g - targeted spells/casts are MOSTLY reflectable.
Melee attacks and abilities attached to them are MOSTLY blockable.
It does not always hold true tho.
clear crest
Colossus is looking better tbh
TIL :)
chilly brook
lots of unblockable things this next season
Colossus happens to have more stuff that deals with raw damage better
clear crest
you can definately do a WA for them
chilly brook
Also more shield wall because of how colossus is pathing
clear crest
anyway, here's shield wall :)
chilly brook
You can follow some generic rules, e.g - targeted spells/casts are MOSTLY reflec...
Basically this. Does the mob swing or shoot? Press shield block. Does it cast? Press reflect or spell block
Spell block itself is more finnicky so actually looking into what's blockable spell wise is good
but even if you can't reflect something with SR, it does give magic DR
north cypress
Hi, just leveled a prot warrior for the first time, also first tank character, i...
Jundis plater shows reflectable casts with a purple cast bar
inner belfry
I assumed all spells from trash mobs that can be interrupted can also be reflected
inner belfry
Jundis plater shows reflectable casts with a purple cast bar
good to know
ionic fern
I assumed all spells from trash mobs that can be interrupted can also be reflect...
Unfrotunately not.
😄
inner belfry
fun
harsh musk
How’s prot looking for 11.1 checking the pins and I’m so confused is the sky falling or not
cerulean tusk
Sky not falling, never have and never will
cerulean tusk
Think the backlash scared em off for now
torn gulch
How’s prot looking for 11.1 checking the pins and I’m so confused is the sky fal...
Any spec in the game can do content up to cutting edge and top 1% of m+ leaderboards
Most specs can obtain 0.1% title in m+ but you have to deal with the lfg boss
clear crest
Any spec in the game can do content up to cutting edge and top 1% of m+ leaderbo...
This is the best answer
harsh musk
What hero talent is looking to be the best mainly interested in thane
mighty valley
colossus looks to do a lot more damage, thane still has a slight defensive edge but it's smaller than it was in s1
mighty valley
fair, i'm just parroting the last feelycraft i saw nome say lol
jagged pier
read literally 5 message too just above your message
ionic fern
Is Thane still more survivable?
It's not as big of a difference defensively between the two as it is now. Thane will PROBABLY still be slightly tankier - take it with a grain of salt tho since i've not tested all dungeons yet.
Thane still spams IP and will get more value out of Thunderlords, but Colossus plays IO which further increases your SW up-time.
toxic gyro
Any spec in the game can do content up to cutting edge and top 1% of m+ leaderbo...
There’s no lfg boss if you build your own group 👍
torn gulch
There’s no lfg boss if you build your own group 👍
That is true
lone hemlock
Hi, just leveled a prot warrior for the first time, also first tank character, i...
As it was said there are google docs on what can be blocked/reflected. I use this weakaura it was very helpful to me. https://wago.io/pjl-p3su9
idle copper
It's not as big of a difference defensively between the two as it is now. Thane ...
Thank you
chilly brook
As it was said there are google docs on what can be blocked/reflected. I use thi...
That WA will troll you as a tank if you’re using it as your only way to tell
Just a heads up
If you’re aware that it will tell you to reflect some things that won’t actually target you then it’s good to have
inner belfry
If you’re aware that it will tell you to reflect some things that won’t actually...
It says in the description than it only triggers when a spell is targeting you and your reflection ability is not on cooldown.
chilly brook
It says in the description than it only triggers when a spell is targeting you a...
Yes there are abilities that target you and then in the last .3 seconds swap to a dps
It will tell you to reflect but it’s a wasted cast
Good WA, just be aware of the problems it has specifically for tanks
inner belfry
Yes there are abilities that target you and then in the last .3 seconds swap to ...
Is this a thing? maybe I've never noticed as I always played a DPS class
chilly brook
Also might send it on something small when you should save it for something larger. Like first boss of Dawbreaker
chilly brook
Is this a thing? maybe I've never noticed as I always played a DPS class
Yes, easiest example I can think of off the top of my head is tentacle boys in GB
The channel cast it will tell you to reflect as a tank but they change target at the end of the cast
small steeple
It's not as big of a difference defensively between the two as it is now. Thane ...
I've asked this before, but do you think the bleeds/unblockable magic damagei will be a real difficulty in keys?
inner belfry
The channel cast it will tell you to reflect as a tank but they change target at...
what a troll
chilly brook
It also doesn’t pop up for some things like the shadow charge in DB iirc
small steeple
I use Jundies Plater, and when reflectable/blockable, the cast has a special color
chilly brook
And that’s a huge thing that you need it or a major defensive for
lone hemlock
I too have noticed that there are times it says it is casting it on you then switches to another dps. All in all the best way to use these abilities are indeed going packs one by one and deciding on what is good to reflect. When I was a new warrior it did help me though.
ionic fern
I've asked this before, but do you think the bleeds/unblockable magic damagei wi...
Bleeds and magic damage are always a difficulty in keys. You, and your healer, just need to be prepared for them and have Cooldowns ready to deal with it. Can't think of m+ as a solo playground. Your healer needs to pull their weight,and so do your dps'ers. Having decent party members is the second highest damage reduction you can get after playing the class properly yourself.
vocal cave
I've asked this before, but do you think the bleeds/unblockable magic damagei wi...
no, you just bubble them
paper beacon
Watching pika do 6-7m dps in multiple pulls is something else
woven radish
My man got to 13 million on a couple pulls
wooden widget
Guys I need help. My guilds doing a heroic race. Which of the raid bosses do you think are solo’able on a warrior?
I mean 1 tank.
woven radish
Council
wooden widget
Good call. That can’t be the only one I hope.
woven radish
Possibly Sikran if you have other arms warriors eat the tank buster with die by the sword
jagged gust
depends on how many paladins you have access to
woven radish
Also this
wooden widget
Probably 1 paladin
No arms warrior
First boss 1 tank? I feel like I’ve never taken dmg from that boss
pallid quiver
1st boss likely could do solo as Prot War; you don't take damage upfront, so you would just slowly bleed out from being unable to heal
Worst happens, they just brez you
daring narwhal
What's the move with colossal might in m+ ? Do we just wanna keep 10 stacks forever or use it asap ?
pallid quiver
2nd boss mechanically doesn't actually require a 2nd tank; boss just needs to be aggro'd on to someone to aim the beams and the frontal. Can probably kite the add that's supposed to be tanked or just blast it depending on gear
pallid quiver
What's the move with colossal might in m+ ? Do we just wanna keep 10 stacks fore...
demo stonks
demo hits really hard, and makes it so you can go back to getting value from getting stacks again
but also, demo hits really hard
jagged gust
plus consider max ~~demo ~~might stacks gives you demo cdr, and making use of cdr is always the right choice
daring narwhal
Thanks
strong forum
Also makes the mobs take 20%more dmg from you afterwards
chilly brook
@strong forum how many good trinkets are there from m+ next season?
strong forum
Uuuh 1?
Maybe 2
Mostly dogshit
Tome of lights devotion is op, rest of the trinkets are all meme-tier
Remnant of darkness is maybe something, big red button
Maybe the random brew one is not entirely useless
But the good shit is all from raid, house of cards, eye of kezan, bomb suit, scrapfield
Those 4 all serve good purposes
And tome ofc OP on ST
round pendant
round cliff
i need an insider on the wowhead team
is christgirl a tomrus alt
id ping archi but i dont wanna get banned
round pendant
don't know who that is
red otter
don't know who that is
Tomrus is a folk hero in the wow community.
rugged gulch
Off topic but does anyone know if servers are down right now?
hardy snow
Is it worth using Demolish at start of a pull, or is it better to gain few collosal might stacks before using it?
thorny stone
according to nomeratur's guide on wowhead, at least 3 stacks
round pendant
Is it worth using Demolish at start of a pull, or is it better to gain few collo...
Yeah Demolish at 3 stacks since that debuffs the mobs so you do more dam
then it should be 10 stacks every time it's off cooldown after that
tropic cypress
Hey guys, how we looking for S2 raid and m+ been away for a bit
cerulean tusk
Depends on what bracket and what content you are planning to do. Do we look to become the meta pick in m+? Not really, no.
Do we look like a tank ppl would like to bring, cause we solid and do a lot of dam - for their weekly keys? Oh yeah.
Do we look like a tank that will struggle to get invited to mid-range keys? No, we are still top 3 range.
Raid? Oh, that is likely a Monk and BDK thing - but, that said, or ST is looking quite solid. Might it be enough to make us a favoured pick? Perhaps.
But we for sure wont be a 'bad' pick for anything. Maybe not the pick for RWF. Still, for our gameplay loops? Pwarr will be fine, if not mighty fine indeed.
keen yacht
Anyone know if we get 1 or 2 sparks for raid week in 11.1?
I dont remember if there is a spark in pre raid week
strong forum
No clue
Doesn't matter knowing it right now does it?
You ain't spending mythic crests either way, since you'll only get 60 a week. So you will turbo omega save them for myth pieces only
strong forum
Whatever the mythic ones are called, but yes
keen yacht
Nit 90?
keen yacht
Harsh
kind urchin
That's pretty tragic
keen yacht
And upgrad cost is still 15?
hardy snow
pick myth track shield in first vault, pick myth track sword in 2nd vault, gearing done 
hardy snow
fuck that if i get a tome in vault im taking it
ah right, I forgot about tome, 3 vaults then 
woven radish
Meanwhile, 3 full boxes on almost every single vault this season and i never saw a damn sacbrood... feels fuckin awful
heavy sparrow
I've had nothing but bad luck for vaults mythic track as fury
For fury spec for items in vault
Really trying to hit for solar and sac trinkets but no such luck damn
chilly brook
Gearing will be slower than in s1
Because that’s what everyone wanted in season 1 amirite?
I hate it here
Gearing in s1 was already slow
limpid ruin
Good thing I didnt decide to change characters last second. That would be really bad with a slow gearing system 
plush tendon
not wrong
limpid ruin
Gally will just do a check 5 minutes in and wipe the raid if there isnt a gorefiends available.
plush tendon
as soon as there is a single grip mechanic... ya boi is forced on BDK
Gawr will never let me switch
'oh, Silken adds are so easy now. We dont need a BDK' 'great! can I play my paladin?' 'no, you grip adds. Our DK dps cant do it'
timid jasper
getting back on my pwarr because i just want to fight everything and not die... but not diggin the whole lightning thing, is collosus a big disadvantage or still cool to play
jagged pier
death grip sucks
honestly just stop making fights where having a bdk makes it very easy
vale escarp
getting back on my pwarr because i just want to fight everything and not die... ...
Next patch it most likely will be the better Hero spec
timid jasper
Next patch it most likely will be the better Hero spec
sick ... thanks bro
raw meteor
Recently did some keys on the ptr and pwar is feeling a bit sluggish compared to live. Is there any talent choices that I can implement to get it feeling more akin to live? Or is this just the new play style.
jagged pier
thats kinda the new playstyle
frozen berry
I think colossus plays about the same, but thane will just play differently period
raw meteor
When I get a chance I'll screen shot them. I only did mt thane. Just felt like I was outta juice a lot.
blazing condor
raw meteor
So uptime on ignore pain is just going to be lower
jagged pier
We dont care about uptime of ip all that much anyway it has been a tool for dumpung rage for a very long time
Still is u just have less rage to spam
grizzled nova
So uptime on ignore pain is just going to be lower
IP uptime isn't a metric that matters at all, it'll vary wildly depending on the type and difficulty of content that you're doing.
Your barrier-to-entry metric is SB uptime/% of blocked hits: This should be effectively 100% and isn't worth thinking about once you have a grasp on the basics of the class.
The actual metric that is the litmus for how well you're playing pwar is Avatar uptime. The better you get at using all your resources efficiently for generating, spending, and not overcapping rage, the higher your uptime goes.
raw meteor
true but rage dumping gives us mitigation so less of that mitigation is what i was trying to say
urban bane
they upped the value of ip to compensate rage gen nerfs. but regardless it is such a minor part of your durability
small steeple
Gaah, I can't decide between pwar and vdh for next season
proven storm
What is this IO you speak of?
grizzled nova
Immovable Object
small steeple
What is this IO you speak of?
Immovable Object
When avatar goes, get 4 sec of SW, when SW goes, get 4 sec of avatar
BTW, does SW from tset interact with IO or is it as bland as every other tset?
urban bane
I'm fairly confident there's no bonus interaction from that tier-proc shield wall.
Apart from pressing shield slam and getting huge shield charge cdr
raw meteor
they upped the value of ip to compensate rage gen nerfs. but regardless it is su...
gotcha but isnt IP how we kinda deal with bleeds.
grizzled nova
gotcha but isnt IP how we kinda deal with bleeds.
It is your off GCD spend rage to not overcap and waste rage button.
You get a shield in return, but rage management is why you're pressing it.
urban bane
We don't really "deal" with bleeds apart from usual cooldowns like SW and etc when they are bad. That's a healer issue.
small steeple
We don't really "deal" with bleeds apart from usual cooldowns like SW and etc wh...
More hots more hots
raw meteor
Have we ever asked blizz to remove the health recover of bitter immune and just make it a 1min cd kinda like a personal cautorize?
grizzled nova
That's how it started in df, they decided it was too op during beta and made it the useless pos it is now.
urban bane
Yeah they removed its bleed removal iirc
small steeple
Lmao
urban portal
gotcha but isnt IP how we kinda deal with bleeds.
Prot is no better or worse at dealing with bleeds than before
jagged gust
historically I've dealt with bleeds by walking backwards to not get bled
jagged pier
Just parry
cerulean tusk
Historically you walk away, and your melee suddenly hits the floor
The heck did they call that mechanic, feverish strikes? Something something.
jagged pier
Fervent strikes yer
grizzled nova
Just bring back teeming skittish weeks, other people getting the bleed is 100% dr
jagged pier
Teeming necortic were my fav tbh
Hp didnt move anyway
Doesnt matter im at 50 stacks
cerulean tusk
Getting a standing applauce as a BDK for simply using DND and backpeddaling
Necrotic was the biggest non-issue affix, it just was a drag to deal with.
strong forum
it was turbo cancer
it wasnt an issue until it was
and then it was the most tedious shit
for weekly keys its w/e
cerulean tusk
Just shadowmeld it bro
heavy sparrow
Fury or arms for season 1 trinket sacbrood or skar shard vault
hardy snow
necrotic was fun as guardian druid, incarn on, huge pull, 99 stacks, no problem, incarn ends, bear release spirit 
cerulean tusk
DPS warrior, AoE taunt with Die by the Sword, into meld tech 
Also, Gdruid could just meld off the necrotic stacks and not die
tribal wharf
couldnt they dispell it
lament cloak
hello, new to this discord. was curious if this is the channel i would ask about a gear question for my prot spec after opening vault
tribal wharf
there was some bullshit affix druids could negate
cuz it was like, really dumb logic too
cuz it was some shit like, its a disease or poison
sharp gale
hello, new to this discord. was curious if this is the channel i would ask about...
Yes that’s where usually that happens on tuesdays and wednesdays
lament cloak
Yes that’s where usually that happens on tuesdays and wednesdays
ty.
sharp gale
But if it’s a damage relative vault you will get a lot of sim yourself
Example : if you post a screen and just ask what’s best
Everyone will think of damage / not about long term strategy (with crafts etc)
lament cloak
So my question is: I have an equipped heroic 6/6 BIS Helm for prot (Warscultors barbute) but have the option for myth tier of the same. I have also a BIS option for my prot cloak in the vault but its the same level (hero 6/6) as my non bis (would be replacing my fury bis cloak while in prot if i choose this) Which would you all suggest i choose? I opened the vault in Prot as i just started playing this spec last week and have been really liking it. Considering that next week is 11.1 and gear will be changing, i am stuck on which i should choose. EDIT: Mind you i will be simming, i am just new to prot and simms dont always show what is best for tanking specs
sharp gale
Yeah sim tells you what is the bis in your vault for your current gear, you usually want to be stronger right now
And from choosing the best choice each week you will have a best gear you could get at the end
lament cloak
So siming tank spec despite simming being more focused on DPS output, simming will still be helpful in prot spec for this?
sharp gale
Tanks sim as a dps, tankiness are almost always a second thing
Bc just ilvl increase your tankiness enough to survive top keys
lament cloak
Tanks sim as a dps, *tankiness* are almost always a second thing
Thank you for your help. I normally fury main (and sim everything i get), and getting into prot has been fun and eventful the past week. this is the first vault i have opened as prot so i was just trying to take into consideration gear levels, bis, and the new content/gear that will be coming out before i simmed.
sharp gale
And also on lot of tank spec your best dmg stats is related to your mitigation (like haste on prot warrior)
lament cloak
gotchya. ty
mighty valley
I'd probably just take the ilvl upgrade and not stress about it since the season's basically done
lament cloak
I'd probably just take the ilvl upgrade and not stress about it since the season...
thats what i was leaning towards but i wanted other peoples perspective. thank you for your input!
hardy snow
So my question is: I have an equipped heroic 6/6 BIS Helm for prot (Warscultors ...
helm gives more stat than cloak and upgrade from hero to myth track is better itself, so even without simming upgrading helm seems to be better option
lament cloak
helm gives more stat than cloak and upgrade from hero to myth track is better it...
Tank you, yeah i decided to go helm for ilvl and overall upgrade. simming also chose it, but i was already heavily leaning towards that LOL
sick sentinel
hey guys, so ive been playing Prot Warrior for a good while and since coming back to WoW, ive been having extreme issues generating threat whatsoever in raid, even when fixating entirely on damage i simply just do not generate enough threat compared to every other tank, does anyone know why?
small steeple
hey guys, so ive been playing Prot Warrior for a good while and since coming bac...
Without a log, we can only speculate
sick sentinel
ive been hitting shield bash and revenge off cooldown as much as possible, same for thunder clap
meanwhile a blood DK presses marrowrend and i lose all of it
serene steppe
If his ilvl is a lot higher than yours thats just whats gonna happen
pallid quiver
hey guys, so ive been playing Prot Warrior for a good while and since coming bac...
Unless you're mega out geared, there shouldn't be any actual aggro issues between tanks at all atm. It mostly comes down to not pressing your buttons enough otherwise, even if you think you're pressing buttons. Like Badkad said, though, without logs, there's no way to tell.
for all we know, you could be standing back to the boss, alt-tabbed into Youtube, or the other tank is rockin' that Cheat Engine
sick sentinel
Unless you're mega out geared, there shouldn't be any actual aggro issues betwee...
is 20ilvl differeence classed as being outgeared?
im running Hero/Champ gear, ilvl 614, the blood DK has Myth gear and if i remember correctly had around a 630 ilvl
pallid quiver
Probably not enough to get aggro pulled off unless they're doing good on their rotation; most tanks ain't so good at that, but if they are playing well, you might have issues, particularly if the low ilvl gear you have is wep/trinkets
sick sentinel
it is entirely possible i just wasnt doing my priority correctly, therse probably some secret to rage gen outside of mashing shield bash, thunder clap and revenge
pallid quiver
At that distance, it really is heavily dependent on logs
sick sentinel
i see, well thank you anyway
pallid quiver
A lot of it normally comes to making sure to properly use your CDs on CD
It can be easy sometimes to just sit on them when they got off CD
sick sentinel
for now im not going to worry too much about it, im jsut going to try and figure out how to make my Prot deal more damage since the blood DK was peaking 1.5 mil and i barely scraped 400k on single target fights 😂
pallid quiver
That's a rotation issue at that point if you're pulling that much in ST at that ilvl
You should probably be able to hit like 750-800k? ish at that ilvl, especially if you have the siren ring
sick sentinel
i need to dig around for info on it because i am lost as to get past 400k
i use Mountain Thane as well
all ik atm is how to not get obliterated by bosses 😂
pallid quiver
You'll want to log what you're doing and send it here for review. You can also just log you hitting the tanking dummy for a little bit, as well, i9f you want some immediate feedback, though it won't have encounter concerns involved or raid buffs
Thane and Colo aren't that drastically far apart in ST at the moment; it's when AOE gets involved that Colo goes to the races
which is all but two bosses in the raid, but still
sick sentinel
aight bet, Colossus is pretty hard so im not gonna mess with that just yet
mighty valley
are you sending all offensive CDs on pull? ravager, avatar, spear, shield charge, the whole shebang
sick sentinel
yeah avatar and ravager i blow almost immediately for the thunder clap recast and the ravager rage generation
unless im thinking about how to use those abilities completely wrong
shild charge too for shield block
pallid quiver
Just send them on CD whenever they pop up, pretty much
mighty valley
if you got 'em you press 'em. there's maybe 5% more nuance than that
pallid quiver
Also, remember that Demo Shout is a DPS CD, as well
sick sentinel
when i'm back on WoW i'll hit the training dummy and get a log for review
will also drop my talent tree as well
distant fractal
Raid leader told me to download an threat addon because my offtank kept dropping aggro. It felt so bad to twiddle thumbs for the first half of a boss fight.
Good on you for trying to fix it.
jagged gust
guys out here running omen in 2025
small steeple
When I’ve ripped agro from the co tank consistently, I basically say either you do your damage right or we change who is tanking when to fit it better
jagged gust
unless they're just autoattacking if they're the second tank you should have created enough of a threat pool that gapping that 10% shouldn't be feasible yeah
distant fractal
Yeah, it was an issue with Ansurek usually.
jagged gust
trust we've all been there
I swear Ansurak threat table is fucked
That's me coping with an off tank who cant seem to taunt properly
distant fractal
Hah, I had my fair share of eating two abilities and larping as a floor pancake.
distant fractal
Just shadowmeld, you noobs
Priest: "Why do I have aggro?!?"
jagged gust
oh god, I might have a relevant screengrab if i can find it
distant fractal
You haven't seen the thoughts and prayers coming out of that guy. They're on a whole nother level.
small steeple
Omg
distant fractal
jeez
hardy snow
Hah, I had my fair share of eating two abilities and larping as a floor pancake.
eating two tankbusters from queen isnt aggro issue, only bad taunt, receiveing melee after taking liquify tho... 
warm apex
Checking in since the prot changes were first announced. We looking a little better?
urban bane
ya we're lookin fine
distant fractal
eating two tankbusters from queen isnt aggro issue, only bad taunt, receiveing m...
Oh yeah, there was multiple issues haha
timid jasper
People play night borne warrior
timid jasper
Hey also.. with collosus, I should be prioritizing revenge over clap yeah? Just keep clap on cd kinda thing ?
small steeple
what trinks are bis for season 2?
suppoisedly there are still gonna be 2 trinket tuning passes still
round pendant
gz
cinder marsh
dawg i leveld 6 wars to do it and the first run i did i got it
like really
cause they said it was rare
proven storm
How does colossus pick up thunderous words, uproar and immovable object? Do we go 1/2 in armored to the teeth?
pallid quiver
How does colossus pick up thunderous words, uproar and immovable object? Do we g...
Talent tree changes on PTR
proven storm
Excellent thanks
strong forum
1h spec gets moved, thus we get 1 extra punto in 3rd gate
small steeple
1h spec gets moved, thus we get 1 extra punto in 3rd gate
will sudden death, juggernaut be the raid build for col? or punish shield slam?
strong forum
Both
Sudden death will almost always be played unless there's specific aoe situations that matter
And execute vs punish depends on your comfortability of the fight
toxic pewter
Are trinkets in 11.1 any good
violet ginkgo
there is some good I heard
chilly brook
@jagged pier How do queen mythic
shut summit
logoff
jagged pier
<@179993058186625025> How do queen mythic
Queen very shrimple press buttons
chilly brook
Queen very shrimple press buttons
How bad is taking liquefy?
chilly brook
Aight
wicked pollen
you could ego and only shieldwall every liquify
but if yuo
sb wall sb
you never die
chilly brook
Other tank is the feast boi, since he’s already familiar with the fight so
jagged pier
How bad is taking liquefy?
Ez
chilly brook
Makes movement ez
wicked pollen
i think the only thing that leaves you is bringing the boss back into bad stuff
wait are you not playing brown 😦
jagged pier
Tbf brown makes movement very ez as u can leap everytime the boss needs to move, i can link u my pov but i was feast tank and may not be om the side u are in p2 ither
So may not be very helpful
wicked pollen
i like taking liquify
because then all you have to do is taunt after jumps
and afk
chilly brook
Tbf brown makes movement very ez as u can leap everytime the boss needs to move,...
Might be worth watching anyways
Might be going back to being a tanky boy next season in raid
jagged pier
F
chilly brook
Kinda want to tbh
formal elbow
after playing my lock+bm for a while...my left hand hurts after some dungeons with prot :<
jagged pier
Cpuld honestly be a binding problem, cause they have odd binds and have to move thier hand alot
formal elbow
cpuld? what does that mean? and na old hand is a problem 😄 after an accident my left hand was +is weaker than the other one
round pendant
cpuld? what does that mean? and na old hand is a problem 😄 after an accident my...
he typo'd "could" lol
show your binds
or just make sure IP is on a single button
without modifiers
sharp gale
cpuld? what does that mean? and na old hand is a problem 😄 after an accident my...
Your hands can hurt because you have indeed horrible binds that requires to do piano shit
If the buttons you press 95% of the time are in the same area and doesn’t require to do weird stuff with your fingers, it shouldn’t hurt
Ex: you have a lot of ctrl keybinds and you press control with your pinky, it will hurt yes
jagged pier
formal elbow
he typo'd "could" lol
ahh thanks ^^
round pendant
My ip is on r
round pendant
My kick is ctrl+4
jagged pier
round pendant
It's good!
formal elbow
My kick is ctrl+4
my kick is on T..always was...:)
frozen sentinel
Shift Q is st stun shift E is interrupt shift R is shockwave
formal elbow
worst keybind i ever heard from a pal..shift+L XD
jagged pier
if thy left handed thats fine
formal elbow
no..right handed 😄
frozen sentinel
MMO mouse took it to another level though 12 side buttons and 12 more with shift modifier
I don’t use the bottom 6 too much mostly for buffs and rarely used stuffs
wicked pollen
Same as Feast.
everytime i took the boss first i was always turbo scared. didnt help that i was first timing mythic ansurek with 0 pulls on heroic or any boss as a tank
kind urchin
I've used keypads for years. The older Tartarus that was modeled after the Nostromo but without the scroll wheel. Then moved to the Orbweaver and now I've been using the Tartarus pro since it came out. I don't think I'll ever go back to playing with a keyboard.
onyx vessel
earnest canyon
Hi everyone!
what will be the play for m+ next season, roar or spear? or is it too early to tell?
red tree
Rawr
solid sun
cyan bronze
colossus is prob just better
small steeple
Col=more damage, maybe less survivable/comparable to thane
round pendant
manic heart
Hey everyone, missed the channel first time copying question here:How bad is Zandalari passive for prot? is it worth paying $ to reroll? my warrior feels squishy because I'm playing with GSE. looking for ways to compensate
gleaming spade
Am I stupid for macroing shield block to shield slam?
I have been doing it for a few weeks now and nothing bad has happened.
urban portal
Hey everyone, missed the channel first time copying question here:How bad is Zan...
If you feel squishy now you won’t feel tanky when you reroll
urban portal
Am I stupid for macroing shield block to shield slam?
Shouldn’t be doing that
jagged pier
Hey everyone, missed the channel first time copying question here:How bad is Zan...
racial will do nothing for tankiness
manic heart
thanks
mighty valley
What’s GSE
manic heart
What’s GSE
macro but better
manic heart
What’s GSE
1 button rotation. Because I lost my left KB hand
tribal wharf
1 button rotation. Because I lost my left KB hand
sounds close to robot to me
urban portal
Prot warrior is way too high apm for something like that
manic heart
sounds close to robot to me
its the same macro commands just different request to server iirc. castsequence basically. it doesnt break ToS 1 input- 1 action
floral trail
is this more or less the way to go with colossus in m+ for s2 or should some talents be switched for more defensiveness?
And do we only Spam revenge or is there something knew on deciding between IP and revenge?
strong forum
if you want more high key setup where theres alot of magic dmg then switch best served cold to fight through the flames
and we might be switching ravager to battering ram
and depending on how frequently you do big pulls you switch bloodsurge to instigate
you also gotta micro manage your IP vs Revenge ofc
floral trail
ok thanks
would it be a big loss to switch ravager for BSV/would you recommend something like that?
small steeple
and we might be switching ravager to battering ram
This, do we have more info on when this/should Battering ram over Raver?
small steeple
Is the col pwar APL updated/working with the changes for 11.1?
small steeple
vdh hasn't been updated yet, but there is like 200+ lines for it so
strong forum
we didnt need updating since DF beta
only very minor changes here and there
1 liners
small steeple
we didnt need updating since DF beta
Will cruel strikes or wild strikes be taken in class tree?
strong forum
always wild strikes
has always been taken
will always be taken
what a blessed vault
small steeple
ooh thats why I got confused, endurance training is gone
small steeple
Does the desktop simc use the nightly build? Do you have to update it?
small steeple
https://i.imgur.com/iKRezga.png
Truly rich now
sharp gale
They could add another digit for that
small steeple
Seems like dropping ravager for Battering ram in single target is a dps gain
urban portal
Seems like dropping ravager for Battering ram in single target is a dps gain
Is this with the new tier set
urban portal
Also that makes sense
Battering ram is single target
It better do better in single lol
small steeple
Now the question comes for aoe. I'd need to remake all the profiles again for that
Still new to simming and stuff, so let me know if I made a mistake
urban portal
Rav being able to pull from range is nice
small steeple
For siming aoe, how many targets and for how long should I set it up as?
I decided on 5 minutes on 7 targets
Kinda arbitrarily
small steeple
I mean, this is also disregarding defensive value completely too so 🤷
vocal cave
do we know where dinnars were moved to from renown yet?
timid jasper
What’s GSE
Goblin sex engineer is best I can think of
dusky canopy
Giant spoon enjoyer
timid jasper
My spoooon is tooooo big
Also I think finishing a boss using demolish is one of the few sources of dopamine I have left
woven radish
do we know where dinnars were moved to from renown yet?
No, but interview last night with max said it will show up earlier than the first announcement now
vocal cave
first announcement aka 17 renown?
woven radish
Yea whatever week that corresponded with, the dev said it's at least coming earlier than that now
small steeple
Yea whatever week that corresponded with, the dev said it's at least coming earl...
No? This was a interview by dratnos
Basically, they haven't told us
sick sentinel
does anyone have any tips for learning Colossus?
small steeple
does anyone have any tips for learning Colossus?
Hit revenge more, IP less. Profit
urban portal
Easy on thunderclap
small steeple
^ that too
small steeple
Yeah, TC only to fill empty globals, and to establish threat at start of pull, or to apply rend if it fell off somehow
mighty valley
press demolish when you can, bearing in mind it locks you in place
so try and avoid getting yourself killed
pallid quiver
press demolish when you can, bearing in mind it locks you in place
healer issue
chilly brook
does anyone have any tips for learning Colossus?
press IP as little as possible
woven radish
Basically, they haven't told us
Did you actually listen to it? He specifically said it's getting moved up
chilly brook
Did you actually listen to it? He specifically said it's getting moved up
except we don't know what that means
TLDR we don't know and we'll get more info soon
pallid quiver
Up the tier tree
Need to have killed Mythic Gally 7 times for half a coin
dinar track items also only go to 300 ilvl
dusky canopy
It’d be the best season ever if only 100 people in the world got the gallywix 2h on myth track
jagged gust
I really hope Dinars aren't very accessible
Welfare epics are so detrimental to the longevity of a season
round cliff
You ain't spending mythic crests either way, since you'll only get 60 a week. So...
isnt spending myth crests on crafted a GOOD idea early on
hardy snow
Basically, they haven't told us
this summary from wowhead doesn't contain important part, he was talking about how they are slowoly trying to make such things earlier, but they dont want to overshoot and then nerfing it as it will be bad, so they prefer to reach sweet point slowly and that this time dinars will be available earlier than orignally in the renown track
woven radish
this summary from wowhead doesn't contain important part, he was talking about h...
Exactly
People need to actually listen to the interview, was plain as day
rancid tiger
isnt spending myth crests on crafted a GOOD idea early on
Seeing its 60 now id say its a net zero?
At least
cyan bronze
Welfare epics are so detrimental to the longevity of a season
Worlds assest take
sharp gale
And from what I took from the interview : they will press the dinar button when they feel it is time
jagged gust
Worlds assest take
A blind man sees no truth
cyan bronze
u vs me
im locked af and ik the season will be more fun if everyone can buy their eye of kezan week 4-8
idc if it’s time gated by an amount
but everyone should be able to buy 2-3 of whatever
(delve items included. please?)
jagged gust
Maybe at the very end of season, sure
sharp gale
When you have the gilded crests achievement
strong forum
isnt spending myth crests on crafted a GOOD idea early on
absolutely not
hardy snow
imo token for raid item should be purchasable for 18 vault tokens
strong forum
you want to hold onto mythic crests for as long as possible
sharp gale
You want to spend on myth track items and you don’t know what you will loot in the first vaults
mint stream
Is prot war really that behind other tanks in 11.1? (It's my 2nd most played char after my main)
cyan bronze
Maybe at the very end of season, sure
very end of season is so ass
if it’s any later than .5 patch
it’s so ass
round cliff
Is prot war really that behind other tanks in 11.1? (It's my 2nd most played cha...
who's telling all u people that prot warr is bad
or behind other tanks
we're so fine
jagged pier
tier lists
mint stream
K thanks
round cliff
is it bellular
hardy snow
who's telling all u people that prot warr is bad
yt videos 🤷♂️
cyan bronze
idk prot war is goated
mint stream
Yeah I don't give a fuck about lists, I was just curious
mint stream
Why they say that
woven radish
Plka was absolutely blasting the other day on ptr
cyan bronze
they’ve only played thane on ptr
jagged pier
40% or whatever sw uptime
30%
mint stream
Loved col either way already XD
hardy snow
Why they say that
because most of them are actually not that good at specs itself
cyan bronze
and haven’t read any of the more recent changes
mint stream
Thx for answers lads
cyan bronze
genuinely needs a healer even more than before, no?
mint stream
Love prot war
round cliff
genuinely needs a healer even more than before, no?
most tanks do don't they
cyan bronze
i think colossus is tankier than thane at this point
round cliff
i think even bdk needs healer attention occasionally now
cyan bronze
with how few ip’s they can cast
round cliff
very occasionally
cyan bronze
just asking if pwar will be more reliant on healer looking at frame than before
round cliff
with how few ip’s they can cast
the ips are bigger tho
cyan bronze
ye
round cliff
bigger cuz it was buffed, and bigger cuz colo
round cliff
it's less but u still have good ip uptime
unless you're getting absolutely lampooned by a triple pull
round cliff
yea the answer to ur question is idk
so i make up something that makes me sound knowledgeable and smug
to inflate my self image
ok
cyan bronze
does it full extend duration if you overlap? @strong forum
is that even possible in tierset window
or no
cyan bronze
kk
round cliff
sounds right enough
jagged gust
very end of season is so ass
I want to agree, we just came off a 6 month season that died about 2 months in
But Dinars would lead to a similar death in motivation to play
cyan bronze
I want to agree, we just came off a 6 month season that died about 2 months in
this current one?
round cliff
dinars are nice in the moment then u get geared and ur like wow
cyan bronze
ie the one without dinars
round cliff
i dont care anymore
cyan bronze
gearing is so fun guys i love gearing instead of having fun
jagged gust
Yeah you have one fun week of being OP then you're just like... welp, time to unsub ig
cyan bronze
Yeah you have one fun week of being OP then you're just like... welp, time to un...
have u attempted to instead
play the game instead of gearing
jagged gust
Gearing up is playing the game
chilly brook
but colossus pwar sustain is <:clueless:1099922541923024997>
pwar sustain is kinda 
anyways
that isn't your job
jagged gust
I play m+ for gear, I raid for gear, I just like collecting shiny baubles
cyan bronze
pwar sustain is kinda <:clueless:1099922541923024997> anyways
ye
it’s just worse now
cyan bronze
I play m+ for gear, I raid for gear, I just like collecting shiny baubles
have u tried genshin impact
chilly brook
as long as you make it easy for the healer it doesn't matter
cyan bronze
serious inquiry
cerulean tusk
The game is:
- Progress in raid
- Progress in pvp
- Progress in M+
- Misc content (delves, petbattles, so on)
Gearing is just a tool to do those activities more efficently.
Gearing is not the gameplay. Just part of the loop.
cyan bronze
seems like something you would enjoy, based on previous takes
jagged gust
I think I saw a stream of mortdog (tft related streamer) playing it because his daughter wanted him to but I didn't really get what was going on, looked kinda like a zelda game
chilly brook
Gearing up *is* playing the game
just a means to an end to me
pallid quiver
gearing is normally what gets me to stop playing wow
chilly brook
gearing is meh
rancid tiger
If u dont enjoy mythic prog no point in gear tbh
chilly brook
I care about getting CE/pushing io
pallid quiver
If I don't get gear fast enough, I just stop playing. I've got better shit to do with my time than hop on a treadmill
cyan bronze
gearing is literally so fucking boring
i would of played more this season if it wasn’t so obnoxious this tier
chilly brook
I'm not looking forward to gearing slowing down again
rancid tiger
Gearing is pretty easy
pallid quiver
That's actually the main reason I stopped playing S1; didn't get gear fast enough, so I stopped playing
chilly brook
DF gearing was perfect
chilly brook
quite literally perfect in Df
chilly brook
TWW is just wtf are you doing
jagged gust
DF just did things right a lot of the time
chilly brook
nah it's not
rancid tiger
Well i think if u get a mythic item
rancid tiger
???
chilly brook
DF gearing was great
chilly brook
I swear if you say some stupid shit about "all crafted items" smh
manufactured problem
rancid tiger
I went straight into 6-7 at 602 bdk
jagged gust
It's a reoccurring problem with wow, there's a good xpac with fun content, then the next few xpacs do kind of the same thing over and over until it's well past time to move on
cyan bronze
I went straight into 6-7 at 602 bdk
and how many gilded farm keys did you have to do
jagged gust
So even if it's good enough, it doesn't feel like enough
chilly brook
Everyone who cried about "too many crafted items" in DF were literally crying about a late season "problem"
pallid quiver
A non-zero amount of my alts are at 80 with like 540 ilvl
You either schmooz by on crafting systems or suffer a grind to get up to that ilvl
rancid tiger
and how many gilded farm keys did you have to do
I mean a lot obviously. But thats gearing while playing
rancid tiger
How is that bad?
cyan bronze
it’s referring to actually playing difficult content
rancid tiger
Rerollin to push keys takes more 100%
chilly brook
Lets not forget that they had to lower the ilvl requirement for gilded discount lmao
rancid tiger
Well difficulty is matched by gear
cyan bronze
& i swear in df it was significantly fewer keys you had to complete
chilly brook
& i swear in df it was significantly fewer keys you had to complete
because it was
well not now probably
rancid tiger
Hmm, after recent changes to m+
chilly brook
but prior to the changes yes
rancid tiger
Rewards its prob.equal
cyan bronze
yea maybe it’ll be better then
rancid tiger
Better for slow alts at least
chilly brook
So great you get more crests per dungeon!
Oh but now you have to do 3 weeks worth of keys to get what you'd get in 2 weeks last season
cyan bronze
wait wdym
chilly brook
You ain't spending mythic crests either way, since you'll only get 60 a week. So...
60 a week baby
chilly brook
3 weeks to get what you'd get in 2 wooooo
sharp gale
I have the vision, the 60 bc crafts cost 60
chilly brook
yeah so now you get to spend an entire weeks worth of crests for a single item
cyan bronze
imagine you want to get embellishment week 2 after first good vault
but
you get mythic tier or mythic trinket
sharp gale
1 crafted a week is SO ASS
It’s every 2 weeks
You need a full spark
It hasn’t changed
sharp gale
That’s what you had in season 1
cyan bronze
& it was still ass as fuck
vivid pumice
do you guys know any video of someone talking about the state of colossus?
cerulean tusk
Not really, no. Guess nome would be ranting in one of his if anyone. Anything you want to know?
vivid pumice
been playing thane on my alt probably going for warrior on s2
just looking to see the thoughts around colossus, and why thane is so much better other than rage generation
sharp gale
Because the hero talents gives a lot of rage
jagged gust
well thats kinda old news with S2 coming up
vivid pumice
i read Nomeratur pinned post from 11.1 but wanted to know more about colossus playstyle
sharp gale
It hasn’t changed I think
vivid pumice
trinket stuff, tier stuff, nothing changes on s2?
cerulean tusk
Well, TLDR is that you dump less rage into IP. And you use Revenge more.
Gameplay loop is still quite much the same
chilly brook
Crafted are cheaper
when you have to spend an entire weeks worth of crests on a craft and have nothing left to upgrade for any potential drops, that sucks
sharp gale
trinket stuff, tier stuff, nothing changes on s2?
The play style hasn’t changed
vivid pumice
less rage on IP, but IP is stronger
chilly brook
at least in DF you could still upgrade like twice on top of doing a craft
vale escarp
Just try it now on live server, colossus will play mostly the same
rancid tiger
when you have to spend an entire weeks worth of crests on a craft and have nothi...
Means playing less but longer, dno fits my busy life
sharp gale
You can watch a colossus vid from September you will have the idea of the play style
vale escarp
Colossus also does way more damage, If you dont push and only go around +12 it's worth tryin, you will survive and deal more damage
sharp gale
Yeah you can practice right now how it plays, you will not die in 12s bc you are colossus
chilly brook
Means playing less but longer, dno fits my busy life
is it actually playing less if you're doing 8 keys to fill vault regardless?
woven radish
gearing is normally what gets me to _stop_ playing wow
True as fuck. When i want to play an alt and realize all the work to gear it in order to just play relevant convent with my friends, that's when i day fuck it and log out
chilly brook
More like playing the same amount of time for less reward
sharp gale
Im the opposite I still do 10s on my warrior even I don’t need gear at all, just bc Im addicted
chilly brook
Heck even if you do only 4 keys but all at 12, you now lost 20 crests
rancid tiger
is it actually playing less if you're doing 8 keys to fill vault regardless?
4 keys though on alts
Also i usually gear alts with m8d
And df was to quick
Id say tww mby a bit to slow
vivid pumice
can anyone elaborate on this point, that Nomeratur stated on the pins:
"Defenders Aegis buff being inversely stronger for Colossus"
chilly brook
can anyone elaborate on this point, that **Nomeratur** stated on the pins:
"Def...
Colossus gains more shield wall naturally due to IO
Is my assumption
cerulean tusk
Less rage dumped, as it was slower as when that was written. Would mean less value from CDR vs Static values
chilly brook
also that
vivid pumice
IO?
chilly brook
Immovable Object, you get like 5(?) seconds of shield wall every avatar
vivid pumice
i see, but we still take AM
cerulean tusk
Yep, ofc - there is no option that is better
vivid pumice
ok thanks
chilly brook
Idk I'd assume it's a combo of lessening the impact of less CDR on shield wall due to IO and as Colo gets less rage economy that it's better with a static reduction
But I could be completely off base here
strong forum
does it full extend duration if you overlap? <@192743144276623360>
resets iirc
and yes they can overlap
have had it multiple times vs dummies
jagged gust
Do you know off-hand if the same holds true for Battering Ram's AS buff?
small steeple
Do you know off-hand if the same holds true for Battering Ram's AS buff?
Off-hand is a shield? It doesn't attack? Am I misunderstanding?
jagged gust
Yeah it's like saying off the top of your head or something
small steeple
ooooooh
strong forum
And I would say, it should just reset the buff
small steeple
lmao ok I see it now lol
small steeple
Does SB overwrite itself or extend the duration?
distant fractal
Off-hand is a shield? It doesn't attack? Am I misunderstanding?
Warrior moment.
strong forum
SB extends, but that's a different type of buff
jagged gust
Yeah was wondering if there might be something worth tracking but thinking about it I'd have a hard time arguing a time where we'd want to game holding a SC for the buff
strong forum
Like, external buffs only reset and don't pandemic
small steeple
Warrior moment.
Too true lol
strong forum
I think mostly only debuffs pandemic
But most buffs do not pandemic
I think
It's a case by case thing
wheat bronze
It's consistently inconsistent
small steeple
SB extends, but that's a different type of buff
Does it extend it by the full duration of the next SB cast?
urban bane
After careful consideration, I've updated my tierlist. My source remaining: i made it the fuck up
small steeple
After careful consideration, I've updated my tierlist. My source remaining: i ma...
No more alcoholic ranking?
urban bane
🍻
jagged gust
Does it extend it by the full duration of the next SB cast?
yes, up to 3x base duration or 18sec, though bolster will additively bypass that limit
wheat bronze
Does it extend it by the full duration of the next SB cast?
Extends to a maximum of 3 times its base duration
lusty grotto
reminds me of my personal tier list
that never changes
(:
which reminds me
@waxen frigate i need a mog check
i took great care into this one i swear
urban bane
lusty grotto
lol dont worry ive been in lurk mode 😄
heavy sparrow
No more alcoholic ranking?
Can confirm. I raid led 10 drinks in before pulling
round cliff
i took great care into this one i swear
u got the artifact appearance and put it on that armor set
grumble grumble grumble
i could put that artifact to better use
pallid quiver
i took great care into this one i swear
10/10
round cliff
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/409016510972035072/1341986274566869085/image.png?ex=67b7fd9c&is=67b6ac1c&hm=735ce745c92f7a2652df29222cf4dea8e8ef7ccd07bf64b163e4c425ad2138fd& i want to use the goon squad trinket
that means its bad, right?
because i wanna use it
chilly brook
@jagged pier ggez
urban bane
shut summit
<@179993058186625025> ggez
chilly brook
https://i.imgur.com/OMFqWdm.png same
based FFXIV enjoyer
I really need to find a static
Tanking truly is the easiest role on that fight lol
First time doing mythic queen as a tank and still got it
shut summit
ya it ain't bad
chilly brook
P3 leap tho is finnicky
hollow citrus
in terms of crafted bracers, the guide shows the blacksmithing ones. are the engineering ones just really not worth it in comparison?
sharp gale
https://i.imgur.com/OMFqWdm.png same
Do I read 18 min correctly ?
jagged pier
<@179993058186625025> ggez
Ez
shut summit
Do I read 18 min correctly ?
ye
sharp gale
Maybe I should give it another chance, last time I tried pve high end thing in ff it was kinda meh
It was the bahamut fight, I couldn’t bare the rotations/overall gameplay of FF14
couldn't bare
frozen sentinel
yeah the gcd time was weird at first in FF14 felt like forever - all about ogcd weaving in that game
hot orbit
Which is the best HORDE race for prot warrior? Only M+ player 😀
jagged pier
vulp
red tree
Definitely no-jaw undead
formal elbow
thanks again Kitten, im testing colossus atm...its rly slower but not worse for my needs 🙂
dark barn
Nice buffs but will need dinars to myth track level shield and mace
neon elk
Nice buffs but will need dinars to myth track level shield and mace
Wait we gotta have dinars this season ?
daring narwhal
Any tips to handle the duo creeper in DFC ? I can't really reflect and hope for it to reset when there are 2 creepers, and only other way I found to destack is leaping max range in the darkness
hardy snow
Wait we gotta have dinars this season ?
Yes, but there is no info yet how and when exactly
neon elk
Yes, but there is no info yet how and when exactly
Okej ty for info
round pendant
I don't play any gaming systems
tribal wharf
i got a few consoles,
old and new
i just sort of go between games im interested in these days
small steeple
@strong forum do you think col pwar damage is gonna be nerfed?
weak ether
can i ask which trinket is BiS for prot ?
Like in terms of tanking and then in terms of dmg ?
formal elbow
a pal using: foul behemoth's chelicera and queen dmg trinket....maybe the squara as def trinket from court
weak ether
i mean for s2
formal elbow
oh sorry ^^, finally i could help and then i got it wrong 😭
urban portal
No one knows yet
formal elbow
i guess as an defensive option: https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=230026/scrapfield-9001 will be nice...its not as good as the DF trinket back then with cheat death...but atleast some hp-puffer
weak ether
Yeah seems like a good passive trinket indeed
formal elbow
and it gives passive haste too...thats nice if you don t activate the save (under 60% hp) for a while
urban portal
Solid
small steeple
Isn’t vdh doing egregious damage
Not as much as col pwar i dont think. And I know wounded quarry is, or at least was bugged, to do more damage. But it did way more for havoc than veng. I haven't played ptr really, but I've been running sims and col pwar is usually the highest, regardless of target count and time in combat
urban portal
You also don’t know whether other peoples apl are implemented properly
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> do you think col pwar damage is gonna be nerfed?
Hardly anyone on PTR is playing it rn, if anyone at all, so I don't think so currently
We will see during the 1 week period of nerubar
I sure as shit will crank a few logs 
weak ether
how do you do those kind of sims ?
small steeple
Hardly anyone on PTR is playing it rn, if anyone at all, so I don't think so cur...
Just I'm stuck between choosing vdh or pwar for next season, and if col damage is nerfed to the ground, well it kinda removes the choice there
strong forum
Won't be nerfed to the ground, prot pally dmg is turbo insane still
Like im talking keeping up with other dps in aoe type shit
10 mil dps on first pull priory
small steeple
10 mil dps on first pull priory
Do you know how much other tank specs do there for comparision?
strong forum
When crit is doing 14mil as arms, ww and firemage doing 10mil
I do not
I've only watched that 1 pull
And was like "you know, maybe we aren't OP after all"
small steeple
hmm
I guess I'll have to see next week, thats when 11.1 goes live right? Then season 2 a week later right?
strong forum
Si
small steeple
how do you do those kind of sims ?
They are called profile sims
small steeple
I've only watched that 1 pull
ah so you haven't done it yourself then?
cerulean tusk
It's kinda hard to know, when you are not the one setting up the pulls yourself. But, when it comes to just pure dam - we aint the best.
Do we pump? Yeah, same as on live, only a bit better from what I tested. Threat wont be an issue, even when warlocks and BMs pump 20-30mill DPS. And I kept around the 10m range myself.
My mate said he does about the double of myself on his VDH, so - doubt we will get nerfed, if we expect him to only be halfway lying.
BDK does sim worse on ST, but - I will believe that when I see it. BDK does a lot of dam. Luckilly for us, whiteswings of death will keep them from competing with our spot.
small steeple
It's kinda hard to know, when you are not the one setting up the pulls yourself....
Are talking thane or Col though?
Or Demo Warrior, as it is better known as
cerulean burrow
is prot warr kinda mediocre? granted i know im prob not playing it optimally yet, and my stats are way too mastery heavy as im swapping over from fury, but this is what im rocking and idk i feel like im just.. subpar. subpar damage, subpar healing. hell my brewmaster monk does more dmg on bigger pulls at ilvl 608 than i do at 635 with these stats. surely that cant be right right? he also heals more, but prot warrior is mitigation focused..? or?
i know half of my issue is probably underutilizing my rage, probably overcapping for a bit, not balancing when to use ignore pain vs revenge, prob not sending my cds on absolute cd like i should be, but even so pretty sure i dont play brewmaster super optimally either..
i only ask cuz the guild im getting with is looking to push mythic next tier and want me as a tank (which is great pushed 3k on 2 toons this season and love to tank) but they need a warr so im dusting mine off and trying to get into prot and it just feels.. so weird.
any input would be appreciated! im open to anything really
cerulean burrow
alright.. well i even watch vids of prot warriors and they also seem to just.. not do as much as other tanks, is taht just a skill issue or whats good
mighty valley
is prot warr kinda mediocre? granted i know im prob not playing it optimally yet...
Prot warrior is kinda unforgiving to bad play, rage management is a feedback loop that means if you're doing it wrong it cascades into all of your output being worse
cerulean burrow
ah gotcha that makes sense for sure, that seems to also aid what i was reading
sick sentinel
Me having the highest APM in the raid yet only pressing 3 buttons
mighty valley
but yeah, the basics are
- send CDs on CD
- otherwise fill GCDs with Shield Slam > TC > Revenge
- press IP when rage is above 60 or so, make sure you don't overcap
small steeple
Me having the highest APM in the raid yet only pressing 3 buttons
you play bear?
lol
mighty valley
oh, and maintain shield block in amongst all that
cerulean burrow
but yeah, the basics are
- send CDs on CD
- otherwise fill GCDs with Shield Slam...
appreciate the input man i think my main issue is prob not sending revenge enough in my downtime i kinda end up like a dear in head lights and should be fishing for shield slam resets with it i think
sick sentinel
Mashing IP, Shield Bash and Thunder clap constantly, good fun
mighty valley
appreciate the input man i think my main issue is prob not sending revenge enoug...
yeah, you should be able to press a button on every GCD, that's kind of the sign that you're doing it right
sick sentinel
One thing I've noticed about Prot is that the bigger the pull the better for maintaining rage
mighty valley
and then our massive apm comes from having to press off-gcd buttons a bunch too
sick sentinel
ST fights is what I struggle on, I rely too heavily on shield block procs
wicked pollen
are you struggling to keep up shield block
sick sentinel
Been a few times I've sat there with every single thing on cooldown with no rage except for shield block with a ST fight and I'm sat there like well shit
wicked pollen
oh just nothing to press
mighty valley
yeah you're pressing IP too much
mighty valley
always keep enough in reserve to be able to press revenge when SS and TC are on cooldown
lofty nexus
are you struggling to keep up shield block
if you're struggling to keep SB up, and you're not overusing IP, then you can drop Into the Fray for Heavy Repercussions. that and using Shield Charge properly will keep you over 98%. then do lower keys to practice Into the Fray uptime on SB.
wicked pollen
me when i k
round cliff
are the 1hander/shield from gallywix gonna be bis
cuz i dont wanna fight with my prot pally over who gets em
vocal cave
obviously they will, they are haste/crit with free dmg attached to it
uneven robin
how is prot warriors support/utility? I never see it talked about
vocal cave
how is prot warriors support/utility? I never see it talked about
low to non-existing
uneven robin
rip
urban bane
Not entirely true. We have quite a lot of stuns on relatively short cooldown.
It isnt prot paladin but it isnt non-existent
col war can have a knockup tied to shockwave for if stun dr is active. can be handy in a pinch
violet ginkgo
cuz i dont wanna fight with my prot pally over who gets em
you will fight, just roll higher
hollow citrus
in terms of crafted bracers, most people refer to the blacksmithing ones. are the engineering ones just really not worth it in comparison?
violet ginkgo
well just say that shield is the most important for warrior, if both 1 hand and shield drop say that he can have the 1hand first, you get the shield.
round cliff
we're def not getting to mythic gallywix tho so
random mythic shield from vault gonna be better
prob
sick sentinel
how is prot warriors support/utility? I never see it talked about
Intervene comes in handy in mythic+
Helps a tonne when your healer is busy and the brain-dead DPS won't stop tanking swirlies
cyan bronze
me when i k
Giovanni fifty seven when he knew
small steeple
loot council <:sadge:820202363359854633>
well, if its loot council, and both need it equally.... then it should be a roll no?
round cliff
well, if its loot council, and both need it equally.... then it should be a roll...
probably goes by favoritism then xd
small steeple
probably goes by favoritism then xd
I'd call bs at that point
small steeple
which is also dum
just play vdh. Then you only have 4/5 sources of a 1 hander you can even use so they have to give it to you
lol
round cliff
i wanna play vdh sooooo bad
but it makes 0 sense to my brain
like i just cant figure out how to play it. id need somebody to get in a voice call and mentor me
dusky canopy
I haven’t touched it since SL s1
It used to be maintain imo aura
Rotate brand/spikes/feldev/meta
Oh also leap away and kite once defensives are gone 😂
small steeple
like i just cant figure out how to play it. id need somebody to get in a voice c...
Make sure SoF is active at all times. If you don't have meta up, make sure either fiery brand is, or Demon Spikes. In meta, do not have demon spikes it. Rotate accordingly
chilly brook
i wanna play vdh sooooo bad
You don’t care about pain/fury or w/e the resource is called in aoe
And it’s the only thing you care about in single target
Ez pz
small steeple
the mitigation doesnt
Its not mitigation, think of it as layers of active defense cd's
chilly brook
Before meta from fel dev is over and after using your two demon surges you hit meta
Then after meta ends you fel dev
And then after that meta ends you hit brand>then spikes after brand is over
Well you’d ideally hit brand a little before meta ended so it spreads
You don’t ever wanna just be natty tanking
So press something
Ez pz
It’s just like prot warrior was in BFA
Use shield block, once that’s about to end use last stand repeat
sick sentinel
I haven’t touched it since SL s1
I'm p/ sure vdh is just immo aura and felt spike maintenance
Then popping basically everything else off cooldown
Fiery Brand on whatever tf just one shot the hunter
Not actually sure what I was supposed to be aiming for it's been a while
I'd play DH more if they were better for raid
Being a drain tank is nice but Fel Spikes + Meta isn't stopping you from getting one shot
I like tanking those big hits whilst drooling on my keyboard with Prot
small steeple
Being a drain tank is nice but Fel Spikes + Meta isn't stopping you from getting...
ummm.... yeah it is? You gotta use all your cds but meta raises your ehp massively
small steeple
meta isn't stopping you from getting one shot?
I mean, you also will have painbringer stacks from consuming souls, and frality stacks over all. You should never be oneshot like that