protection

[plush tendon]

but it aint C tier

thats just disrepectful

[cerulean tusk]

What is wrong being C tier?

[plush tendon]

perception for casual players

[cerulean tusk]

C means passing grade, nothing special

[plush tendon]

making our friend pug Warriors sad in LFG

[cerulean tusk]

[woven radish]

Fine by me, helps me conflate my pwar rank on my server when no one plays it lol

[cerulean tusk]

I love being realm top 10, from just being one of 10 ppl playing

[woven radish]

Giggity

[plush tendon]

tell the girls that on your first date

yea im a top 10 tank on my wow server

.... plays prot war

[woven radish]

🤣

[cerulean tusk]

I am top 10... ofmyclassIplaywarriorprotectionwarrior

[jagged pier]

I know someone that had their logs linked in their tinder profile

[plush tendon]

absolute chad

[jagged pier]

He was rank 1 lfr for holy paladin

[plush tendon]

I should do that

link my RIO page

[cerulean tusk]

Better be 69 logs, or I am disapointed

[small steeple]

Not in these meta tier lists lol

[plush tendon]

looking for a <kitten> pocket healer to run weeklies

[cerulean tusk]

C is passing grade! Reeeee

[plush tendon]

must have 8/8 Mythic

and 3100 IO

[cerulean tusk]

3.1k? That is underselling your own worth

3.4k at least

[plush tendon]

3.4K would be inviting traps

[cerulean tusk]

you talking from experience, huh

[plush tendon]

besides, what is the likelihood that there is a female healer within a 6 mile radius of me that has 3.4k IO

[cerulean tusk]

I give it about a 50/50

[small steeple]

Do you heal? Are you a female

[plush tendon]

there might be 1

[small steeple]

lol

[cerulean tusk]

Augusto out here, not happy with 1, wants a harem

smh

[plush tendon]

[cerulean tusk]

[bronze wraith]

I keep seeing prot warrior at the bottom of alot of tank tier lists, but they changed the Tactician thing to be in the middle at 25% proc. Did other tanks just get better or did we get crushed into the ground that hard somehow?

[small steeple]

Its content bait

[cerulean tusk]

WE ARE C TIER ON THEIR LISTS

C TIER IS A PASSING GRADE

IT JUST MEANS WE AINT EXCEPTIONAL IN THE EYES OF THE LIST CREATOR

WE ARE NOT F TIER, WE DID NOT FAIL

[jagged pier]

i swear are ppl even listening to the tier lists or just looking at pictures

cause the one ive seen has good reasons to why

will those reasons matter for 99.9% of the player base?

no

but they were reasons

[cerulean tusk]

Jakey, can you lobby for a bot to auto respond to those messages, I beg ;-;

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/green-mile-im-tired-boss-michael-clarke-duncan-gif-2375696290766999196

[strong forum]

it said c-tier on my list forever

[ruby musk]

Prot is gonna be top 6 so there's no need to worry.

[strong forum]

see

[glacial lynx]

As long as I beat the dps who die 15 seconds into a fight I'm s tier

[ruby musk]

My only concern would be dealing with the million mobs of bleeds, poison, magic debuffs etc next season

But I'll just make groups around that

[cerulean tusk]

Live?

Gotta be live

Damn kinda low

[brittle owl]

C stands for cool right?

[strong forum]

c for correct

[ornate sigil]

@strong forum which one provides more rage, MT or Colossus?

[strong forum]

MT

[sharp gale]

C for "Can do 1 key lvl under rank 1 keys"

[dusky canopy]

Humble those fotm boys

[limpid ruin]

Jokes on you I’m rerolling VDH

Have fun starting with a 600 ilevel cotank

[oblique garnet]

Skill issue

What it ultimately boils down to

[brittle owl]

boil down dn

[oblique garnet]

I dont like pea soup

[brittle owl]

pee on u

[oblique garnet]

I dont think your stream would be strong enough to pee on anything but your own feet

[brittle owl]

i'll have you know

i can ride my bike with no handlebars

[tribal wharf]

it is better with pork bits in it

[oblique garnet]

Yeah but you still have the training wheels on

[brittle owl]

at least i'm not late

[oblique garnet]

Better late then never

[brittle owl]

we don't talk about never

[oblique garnet]

One day you will feel the warm embrace of someone other than your hand

[brittle owl]

One day I will, but you will always be late to the party

[tribal wharf]

one day you will have to answer for your actions

[oblique garnet]

Yeah atleast i get invited

[brittle owl]

i sent the invitation u mong

[oblique garnet]

Is that why nobody showed up?

[brittle owl]

u came doe ❤️

[lusty coyote]

uhh but this will sir?. Community perception will probably have a sizeable impact on a lot of ppl ability to play m+

[chilly brook]

It won’t

People need tanks, and there’s not enough of them

[lusty coyote]

Guess its different when its not 10s. Cant say I had a good time trying to get into keys

During s1 that is

[chilly brook]

Personally had no issue getting to 3k on the warrior this season

[lusty coyote]

3k, no that went fine above 3.2 was a terror

[chilly brook]

Only time I’ve had issues is kinda right now but that’s more due to the amount of keys being like next to 0 at the end of the season

[lusty coyote]

Yea, that might also have something to do with it

[chilly brook]

Naturally at some point in the difficulty slide if you’re pugging and not doing your own key then yeah you not being a pally will make it harder

[lusty coyote]

Sure felt that way

being able to be invited is hardly an issue if you only play your own key tho ^^

[chilly brook]

3.2 is like all 14s and getting into 15s no?

14 seems to be the current level where people start getting really picky/where small mistakes really start mattering

[lusty coyote]

yea

[dusky canopy]

Better “late” than never

https://tenor.com/view/husky-gif-shocked-funny-animals-cute-gif-14124868

[oblique garnet]

You know you can just do your own keys when you are pushing and picking people?

If you cant get your own key to that level then thats just a skill issue

[cerulean tusk]

Only drawback doing your own key is: Stonevault -> NW -> Stonevault -> NW -> Stonevault -> NW -> Stonevault -> NW -> Stonevault -> NW -> Stonevault -> NW -> Stonevault -> NW -> Stonevault -> NW -> Stonevault -> NW -> Stonevault -> NW -> Stonevault -> NW -> Stonevault -> NW -> Stonevault -> NW -> Stonevault -> NW -> Stonevault -> NW -> Stonevault -> NW -> Stonevault -> NW -> Stonevault -> NW -> Stonevault -> NW -> Stonevault -> NW -> Stonevault -> NW -> Stonevault -> NW -> Stonevault -> NW -> Stonevault -> NW -> Stonevault -> NW -> Stonevault -> NW

[dusky canopy]

A wild nim is typing

[ionic nimbus]

Got the 4 friends but I have to play around them @maiden carbon @foggy willow !!!!!

[dusky canopy]

Shit! Not @lusty grotto

[ionic nimbus]

[lusty grotto]

WHO SUMMONS ME

oh what up brew

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-3584473422170938815

[dusky canopy]

Hello!

Miss Nimchat

[cerulean tusk]

Rat with a hat, that used to be a snack

[dusky canopy]

We should debate the value of BSV again

Been a while

[cerulean tusk]

Safety blanket is BiS

If you die, even once, then it had been worth it

One death = dead key

BSV makes sure that doesnt happen

[clever heart]

Poor keys 🔐

I did a +5 today where a rogue died 24 times… still beat timer lol

[heavy sparrow]

Bricking keys left and right

[chilly brook]

I did start messing around with Senses build, it did feel more comfy having BSV but I also still feel dirty

[lusty coyote]

no doubt thats part of it ^^

[dusky canopy]

Make sure you have all 17s timed before applying to a +14 in group finder

[cerulean tusk]

Buy full 17 boost run, for the cheap cheap, 40m, then you do 16s, well brick a lot of 16s, give up - but you can say you did work for your score

[oblique garnet]

Or you know get good and time the keys on your own

Its not rocket science its a simple videogame

[cerulean tusk]

Late-bot has broken down, repeat responses are in effect

[errant oriole]

man youtubers are ranking prot wars so low for season two going to be funny when people prove them wrong. 🙂

[cerulean tusk]

Prove them wrong in what way. You think we gonna be meta? Cause they are putting us in C, not F

[hardy snow]

its funny how story repeats from DF pre S1 and so on

the only diff is now we actually got some 'changes'

[jagged pier]

and they made the class better than it is now

as well

[strong forum]

[round pendant]

but guys

the bleeds!!

[violet ginkgo]

well at least it wasn't that much disaster compared to when PTR launched and prot war nerfed all over the places.

[tribal wharf]

worst by far was early 9.0

god damn

green shield

till lvl 70

[cerulean tusk]

9.0 was shadowlands?

[tribal wharf]

only 1 ever dropped for me

fuck shadow land

that was horribly depressing times, tanking with a green shield for multiple days

[cerulean tusk]

Shadowlands was pretty darn bad, for sure

[tribal wharf]

i wouldnt god damn mind green shields while leveling, if i get like 10 of them

and they are different level or have different stats

maybe you get like, 1-5 that are blue, if you are lucky

2-3 of them is from dungeon

i figure should be 3 blue shields you get till level cap, then epic, expansion starts 70 goes to 80 so you get one 70, 75, 80

[dark barn]

Even marcellian said we are C tier in the fun rank, lol. He was my last hope...

[jagged pier]

his fun is different to yor fun tho

its subjective

[dark barn]

Marcellian always defended prot war as his favorite tank. So when he says prot isnt fun anymore hits me hard

[chilly brook]

I mean it’s a bit weird because prot hasn’t majorly changed

[sharp gale]

He just likes clap prot and col is not clap prot maybe that’s why he doesn’t like next season

[vocal cave]

back to bdk prison

[round pendant]

Bdk sucks

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-gasp-what-cat-shock-gif-991789866523373942

[round pendant]

Yeah the truth is shocking

[plush tendon]

you be firing shots

crazy take

[tribal wharf]

not playing bdk till i can be vampire surviving in keys

[unborn island]

Is it reasonable to burn all my crests to craft as much 636 gear as possible to have stuff ready to recraft if I have dog shit loot luck next season?

Or is there a good reason not to do that?

[cerulean tusk]

As next season, your 636 gear wont have much value beyond day 1, I wouldnt say it is worth the investment

But if you got time and gold to spare, sure go for it?

[sharp gale]

I think there is mm0 too who just gives you free catch up gear

Idk what ilvl will be mm0 but you will vendor sell your 636 very quickly

[unborn island]

Yeah I'm just thinking recrafting for Max ilvl and saving the mats

Or you reckon it wouldn't be worth it?

[sharp gale]

Im prepping too a char for guild raid, I just crafted 2 embellishs, do whatever you want with your gold tbh

[unborn island]

Huh, so should be able to get hero track gear day 1 if people are able to run a 6 with 638 or whatever

[cerulean tusk]

yep, and you will be doing 10s easilly day 1

[unborn island]

Is the only benefit a slightly cheaper Max ilvl crafted thing being very marginally cheaper through using reforging then?

[jagged pier]

some ppl

[cerulean tusk]

Material cost total will be the same, if you craft a 636 now and reforge, or if you make a 658 then

[unborn island]

Ahah, fair

[sharp gale]

i will just farm 6s the first day personnally

[cerulean tusk]

Hm, something I dont know tho. Will crests be uncapped day 1?

[unborn island]

In that case for sure no benefit 🙂

[jagged pier]

[cerulean tusk]

So that is a maybe

[unborn island]

They did say they were going to keep that change...but I imagine they will revert it

[jagged gust]

One thing to note is prices generally do surge at start of season, so simply buying the mats for gear/buffs right now may be a good investment

[cerulean tusk]

Just have guildies craft it for you, for 0g and their mats

[verbal venture]

I'm not good in math, but i think is cheaper craftin 658 directly

[sharp gale]

you need the new spark i think

i didn't look about professions tho

[verbal venture]

Spark don't need gold

[sharp gale]

yeah but you will only have 1

[verbal venture]

I say cheaper

[cyan bronze]

French detected

[cerulean tusk]

I just wouldnt worry about it, ya will be dungeon farming gear either way

[verbal venture]

To have upper than 636 you need new sparks too

[sharp gale]

i have a full french word in my name

[unborn island]

Yeah, wonder how I'm gonna do day 1 playing a prot warr. Haven't done a season since back when they didn't change the dungeons

Anyone got any good recs for people to watch for new routes etc? Or do you normally just get a few weeks of figuring it out since nobody knows

[cerulean tusk]

You gonna do like most to everyone else, fail misserably a few keys in a row

then blast

I would just give it a few weeks, but - ya can test the dungs on the PTR right now

I kept Floodgate hidden from myself tho, saving that as a little nudget of new content

Half the fun early season, is experiencing it as something new, after all

[cyan bronze]

You were larping

[verbal venture]

I used dorki MDT route start of this season, the extra notes helped me to und were i need to pay attention

[cerulean tusk]

cheater

[verbal venture]

I used sense spreadsheet too for SR tbf... so i'm a super cheater?

[sharp gale]

chibre

[cerulean tusk]

SR sheet is not cheating

[quiet sphinx]

How back are we?

[cerulean tusk]

Two potatoes divided by a single tomato multiplied by a pie

[quiet sphinx]

8

[jagged gust]

So we're short about 400g of pork

[quiet sphinx]

Colossus time?

[cerulean tusk]

likely

[tribal wharf]

ignore text but, spell reflect should feel this good

[hardy snow]

M0 will be Champion 1/8 636 ilvl

[sharp gale]

and im sure there is a delve angle

[unborn island]

If you're able to do +10 or whatever the key is for M track week one then surely delves are...not needed?

Which some people think we will be doing...

[sharp gale]

talking about the week before the season starts

[unborn island]

Ah yeah

[sharp gale]

the mm0 / delve will change the 25/26th ?

[unborn island]

Have literally never played that week 🙂

[sharp gale]

yeah now that i remember, the season 1 started with the mm0 / delve rewards so it will be the 4th

you should have tbh it gave almost full set +7 loot before m+ opened

[limpid tide]

Delves shouldn’t change yet. M0 should be playable with all the changes. Heroic dungeon queue might be updated. The vault from that week should be disabled.

[dusky sentinel]

@unborn island Do urself a favour and go fresh in. More fun. Knowing everything day one is boring. Unless ur trying for world first keys or something

[paper beacon]

Colossus looks silly single target wise

Was doing 1.4m on the dummy

[small steeple]

sims 2m

[bleak breach]

@strong forum what point will we drop tier bonus for ilvl?

This one is kinda trash, so I assume it won’t take much?

[jagged gust]

pretty much immediately

It's the equivalent to like... 2-3ilvls worth of gear? Get that shit outta here

[small steeple]

current tier? didnt know it was that bad

[bleak breach]

Yeah it’s horrid

Iirc actively trying to use 4pc is actually a loss

[jagged gust]

I honestly forgot what all the tier bonuses were this season, they were fucking abysmal

[small steeple]

Honestly, I thought it was just a passive SS buff?

[jagged gust]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1exJeu5eVe4bTmyg3WFx5PTxIWvDLi0j-WW-XWpGoG88/htmlview#

Found the old spreadsheet

looks like as of nov 6 it's worth 1.84% of your DPS

[small steeple]

Only tank tier sets that I know are good this season was ppal and brew

[strong forum]

id just sim tbh

as son as you have 2pc from nerw

[urban bane]

ptr is down but i did a few 12s and dude

anyone who is "concerned" about prot's viability

is clueless

[jagged gust]

tbf that's been true for like 7 of the past 8 seasons

[urban bane]

Just like jakey and nome and others are saying like

it is fine. bleeds can hurt sometimes but

[pallid quiver]

I took literally 0 damage in all the PTR I've done so far.

I've only hit dummies since I can't find bodies to test with and would rather not pug testing

[urban bane]

it is literally fine

[jagged gust]

bleeds are a tank issue if you can dodge em, and a healer issue if you can't

[urban bane]

also colo prot in m+ is even more of a vibe than it already was

huge revenj

huge demolish

bing chillin

[jagged gust]

Colo changes my brain, I'll be at like 95 rage and think "Man, if I blow rage on an IP I won't have enough to revenge in 5 GCDs"

It's 2025 and I'm concerned about getting revenge value

[woven radish]

So excited for big colossal gains. It's the hero tree i was really excited for when announced

[urban bane]

though I'm generally not a fan of the tier set, it is nice to have chunky cdr on shield charge

[bleak breach]

I don’t mind the tier tbh

The issue is just how we activate it

Seems good for M+ just bad for raid

[small steeple]

Can I get a log review on this? First 11 as col
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/13YzCdmkcGZaTFpB?fight=last

[paper beacon]

Yeh but that was without raid buffs, flask food or pots

[small steeple]

fair enough

[small steeple]

@strong forum your the col guy right?

[paper beacon]

And I'm also bad

[round pendant]

Look at nome's logs and try to copy him

this will make you good at the game

[small steeple]

Doesn't really help if you don't quite know what to look for

[round pendant]

honestly

CPM and CD usage is most of it

[urban bane]

does your log just stop at ingra?

did the key go kaput?

[small steeple]

god damn it

no it was a +2

why does my warrior logs always break

ffs

[urban bane]

i saw you cast ravager like 4 times and I thought "... that can't be right"

then saw it cut off after ingra

[small steeple]

ACtual kinda pisses me off now

I can log on my other tanks just fine

[urban bane]

I wonder what's goin on 🤔 I legit have no clue what would cause that

Do you use an addon to log or anything?

cause it looks like the log ends right after ingra encounter dies. i wonder if something sees the encounter end and then ends the log. dunno why it'd do it on woyer and not other classes though

[round pendant]

stop using bigwigs or whatever to log

The autologging feature of that only works properly in raid and only logs "encounters" which seems to mean bosses

Use Loggerhead

[urban bane]

that's good thinking that could be it

[round pendant]

weird that it's only affecting your warrior tho

[urban bane]

[small steeple]

Why loggerhead over others like simpleCombatLogger?

[round pendant]

loggerhead works

🤷‍♂️

[pallid quiver]

We've brought it up before

[small steeple]

well now to test it on a low ass key rq

[urban bane]

good to know :V

[pallid quiver]

i got pulled into a game of darktide, but i was gonna follow up with backing a recommendation for loggerhead

Normally the issue does come up from addons competing over autologging or turning off after a boss

[small steeple]

welp the log still ended after the first boss in this 3 i just ran

[round pendant]

did you disable the logging in bigwigs

or mrt

etc

[small steeple]

the rader io one is disabled, i did it in game, but does the client do it too?

[round pendant]

if you have bigwigs/dbm/mrt, disable automatic logging in those

idk about the raider io client I only open that to update it and close it

[small steeple]

where is bigwigs logging setting?

[round pendant]

somewhere

[jagged gust]

raiderio makes a folder* in your logs so I'm assuming it does

[round pendant]

I can't check my sub ran out

yeah disable live tracking in the rio client

[small steeple]

found it

[round pendant]

was it enabled?

[small steeple]

ok bigwig one is off too

it was

[round pendant]

there's your problem

[small steeple]

maybe it was only on this character too?

[round pendant]

possible

[small steeple]

thanks yam! It worked now

[limpid tide]

Colossus in keys now for s2!?!!! ? ❌ or ✅

[mighty valley]

Yes if you’re not a coward

[limpid tide]

Do I look scared https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/talent-calc/warrior/protection/colossus/DAOAUVBFERhYVYpRQBANVUVFRERFVZVUQDRQAEFVVUBU

[ember token]

HR->IObject / FTTF->FVigor otherwise it looks cursed

[limpid tide]

oh you must have clicked it pretty quick. I edited link b/c I put wrong talents in first time.

not really worried bouat 4 secs of avatar

[urban bane]

Then guess you look scared :(

[ember token]

Berserk Shout is kind of useless 99% of time so -> IO

[urban bane]

it is a dps gain to take io, jokin aside

[limpid tide]

you right I should take PHowl to kite with

but ye it's the right call, howl into IO

I'm def going to time 12s on ptr now https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/talent-calc/warrior/protection/colossus/DAOAUVBVEQhYVIpRUBANVUVFRERFVZVUQDRQAEFVVUBU

[jagged gust]

If you manage to get 2 SC within 20 seconds from the tier set, does the buff from Battering Ram extend, or refresh?

[urban bane]

i imagine refresh because it would have to prolly be manually flagged to extend as things like shield block do

but idk! havent tested

[limpid tide]

well Colossus sucks at defense no shock, but the dmg was nice

[urban bane]

what key did you do?

I was doing some 12s earlier on ptr and it seemed fine

[limpid tide]

I didn't even do a key, I did a disband

couldn't chain at start of Mommy Load

[urban bane]

🤔

[round cliff]

how come colo m+ build doesnt take rumbling earth?

surely rumbling earth better than crackling thunder

or intervene (i hate my teammates)

[round pendant]

cause shockwave knockup is op

[round cliff]

yea

so why not take rumbling earth

more knockups

[round pendant]

oh I misread

no idea you can prob just decide that on preference tbh

[round cliff]

im not gonna lie i dont think ive ever intentionally used intervene to good effect

outside of the last pull in grim batol

[jagged gust]

well without crackling thunder TC has the radius of what, spear? so it's a convenience thing

[round pendant]

I only used it on first boss of NW last season

[urban bane]

i dropped crackling thunder today for rumbling earth and didnt miss it.

[round cliff]

and if im playing colo i care about intervene even less dont i?

how many mechanics are there where i need to intercept specifically melee hits

rn

or next season

[urban bane]

only thing i can think about next season are the fixates in motherlode rock boss

mayyybe the miner kobalds in that shadowflame or whatever that dungeon is called

[round cliff]

ill see if its a pain point

if it is ill consider it

for now i rumbling earth

[urban bane]

yuh for ml fixates should focused ranged anyway so who cares

[jagged gust]

It's a swap talent for sure

[round cliff]

what target count do i press tc, and when do i just press clap to keep up bleed

as colo

[jagged gust]

I've wondered this myself, because even at 5 target count the sims still TC pretty much on CD

[round cliff]

that feels dumb tho!

[jagged gust]

Right?!

[round cliff]

it does baby damage and i have more than enough rage to just press revenge

unless the sim is seeing into one of few futures where you manage to rage starve yourself

[jagged gust]

Even in ST revenge does ~twice the damage of TC, show of force included. Then One Against Many starts to multiply that difference further with target count

It must be a balance of do you have enough targets for bloodsurge to maintain revenge spam, and that must be somewhere >5 targets over an extended duration of time. Imma test a sim against 8 targets

nope, between a 40sec-5min fight with 5-10 targets the sim always prioritizes TC with an average time between casts of 5.1 seconds

[round cliff]

sounds like the only thing it prios higher than tc is ss or cooldowns?

why is tc so important to this bot

[jagged gust]

Might be hard coded in some fashion to prio rage gain?

[round cliff]

the wowhead guide even says u dont press tclap much in aoe

im finna just ignore sims and enjoy big number

[jagged gust]

agreedge

[woven radish]

Prob just a rage economy preference

[round cliff]

i HATE economics

[woven radish]

🤣

[round cliff]

does it prio free revenges over tclap?

[jagged gust]

Doesn't seem to, no

[urban bane]

might be why the tclap

[round cliff]

translate to english pls

[jagged gust]

If rage greater than or equal to 70, and talented in to seismic reverb, and targets greater than or equal to 3, then cast revenge?

[urban bane]

yeah as close as I can figure

the count looks to show the number of times the given condition was triggered ig

And basically tclap in the apl is just given prio for how to use the gcd.

[jagged gust]

J is gonna have to be updated for patch

[urban bane]

yea

[round cliff]

J?

[jagged gust]

the last like from muse's screenshot

[round cliff]

o

are things prioritized by letter

[jagged gust]

Seems like it

Wait no? Then it would prio revenge with 3 targets over SS, I must be wrong

[urban bane]

i think they are prioritized by the order from top to bottom they are written in the apl

the letters are just to give a short hand to each condition so you can look at sample sequences and see how many instances of that condition occurred more easily

I'm like 90% clueless though so don't trust me hehe :)

[jagged gust]

Well you used enough multi-syllabic words that I'm convinced

I need an emoji with 2 shaking hands

[urban bane]

haha

[round pendant]

I still don't understand

why this discord is so much better than other class discords

[ionic fern]

Correct.

[vocal cave]

Tome aside, any other strong trinket next season?

[torn gulch]

Defensively it will be the bombsuit from gallywix

[sharp gale]

Tbf after coming back on this server it is one of the class server I prefer

(With monk and rogue ones)

[desert garden]

Do we have any decent form of self healing? I’m still new to prot but I feel like if my healer isn’t healing me my health bar just never goes up

[sharp gale]

You have absorb with ignore pain, indomitable the talent at the bottom middle and leech

Your health bar shouldn’t swing down too brutally / quick with melees, you need to maintain mitigation (shield block) and get passive healed by your mate

[desert garden]

Yeah my health bar doesn’t drop fast, it just more so feels like I’m slowly dying without healer attention where as with other tanks I feel as though I can keep myself alive with my own healing in medium intensity situations

[sharp gale]

You have impeding victory too

If your health slowly goes down then back to full it’s the healer just waiting you to be lower to actively heal you (I personally don’t heal the tank if he is almost full hp)

[unborn island]

Grab some health pots too, between those IV and actively using your cd's. It's possible to survive in M+ on trash at least for quite a while without healers even on medium keys (13-14 ISH)

[jagged gust]

Last Stand too

[sweet summit]

you're not supposed to be entirely self-sufficient

[daring narwhal]

Hi, does the realm on PTR matters ?

[pulsar yoke]

Hi guys, Can you help me with some macros for warrior protection?

[urban bane]

There are very few things we want to macro

Here's a list of some macros you can use. https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/best-weakauras-macros-addons

In particular, the Charge/Intervene, Stance Dance, and IP + SS Snipe are worth highlighting. Be sure to read the description of the IP + SS Snipe, as it is not a replacement for a SS keybind.

[unborn island]

Do you guys stance dance these days? I always just sit in Def and don't think about it...

[strong forum]

I still do a bit yeh

Not as thane tho

[urban bane]

when there are damage amps, when i know there's minimal damage intake on me, when i'm pressing demolish. things like that.

i also dps as warrior and just making sure im comfy with dancing is just a good awareness practice, too. So many dps warriors never go into d-stance even though it is a goated, basically free CD

[dense remnant]

it costs a gcd tho, right?

[woven radish]

Yea, but only with colossus if i know I'm safe and i want that extra crit to fish for giga-demolish crits

[pallid quiver]

ur goated
gottem

[dense remnant]

whats a good looking big shield you can get for cool transmog nowadays?
the illidan shield is pretty cool, but sits wrong way on the back
bonus points if it fits the same theme as thunderfury

[pallid quiver]

like you looking for comically large or

[dense remnant]

something in this size

so not like bulwark levels of comically large, but not like the mini shields that most tranmogs are

[pallid quiver]

You could probably check out the aegis of aggramar replica transmog

Don't remember how you get it, but

[dense remnant]

iirc thats from timewalking

but even that feels a bit smallish and sits a bit weird in the hand last i checked

[pallid quiver]

Let me check to see if I have any other recs around

[jagged pier]

aegis is small

[pallid quiver]

i cannot tell how big shields are for most people, man

i'm a cow

[jagged pier]

u only really have arficat wep

[pallid quiver]

aegis actually looks like a decent size shield

[jagged pier]

and ulduar shield

[pallid quiver]

Artifact shield is comically large compared to the one in screenshot sample

[brittle owl]

cow shields are perfectly sized

[jagged pier]

skull of ruin too

[pallid quiver]

artifact shield is just comically large in general

[brittle owl]

big f u door size

bulwark

now thats sex

[pallid quiver]

But yeah, for those Aberrus shield sizes, you're a little limited in theme

[brittle owl]

why would you not smack shit with a door though

[pallid quiver]

brother having a shield that large is awkward as fuck to hold

i'd rather just have a stick if i'm hitting someone at that point

[lavish rose]

Are there any ptr raid talent builds to try around for the "new apm" thing they been tuning?

[brittle owl]

and having hooves and horns isn't awkwar

?

[pallid quiver]

It's also part of my displeasure for things like proper pavise shields being ignored always

[brittle owl]

play a rando human woyer number 7 if you want proportions

[dense remnant]

yeah im using the artifact shield atm on my warr, was also thinking of possible choices for my prot pala

[urban bane]

https://tenor.com/view/uno-reverse-king-chris-gif-7732750089922629936

[urban bane]

nah off gcd but a 3second internal cd til you can swappa back

[small steeple]

How bad are the dots and other unblockable damage in next seasons dungeon pool?

[urban bane]

I did a few 12s yesterday and they felt fine. In motherlode the Extractor bleed hurt a little. The Rexxa boss with the propelant also just has a melee that is a magic attack so that's not much fun.

Spears in priory apply a bleed and can hurt but I think they can be sidestepped. They also are one of those weird not-stacking but "staggered" debuffs so you can get hit by multiple with their own independent timers

But wasnt too bad.

[sharp gale]

as a gnome, as big as my char

[shut summit]

they'll only become a real problem in higher keys which isnt a problem for most people

problem will be same that it always is, x is meta so you need that for all key levels

[mortal cypress]

I find gnome warriors fricking hilarious for this reason

[shut summit]

especially with them removing things like reflecting scythe on mordretha and the new tank frontal on kultharok

roughly 66% of tankbusters not being blockable

no fun allowed for warrs

[urban bane]

at least colossus pipes

for now

[urban bane]

i was so confused why the scythe removal

[shut summit]

[urban bane]

w/ reflectable vs deflectable vs nada changes i feel like it is hard to separate decision making vs spaghetti because it all seems so arbitrary

[brittle owl]

give it time, they'll put in a reflectable phys bleed soon enough, trust

[cerulean tusk]

They removed the Scyche? That was the play to do as a warrior on that fight. As DPS or tank

._.

[urban bane]

Get an updated, shiny new spell reflect animation. The monkey's paw curls, there now are fewer things you can reflect.

[small steeple]

Oh, so new dungeons really are bad for pwar?

[urban bane]

Are you going to push the highest keys in the game?

Because that's when you'll notice a difference.

If you want to get your 12s/13s for achievement and maybe push a little more past that for fun, you'll be more than fine

[daring narwhal]

how do you deal with taskmaster askari before 2nd boss in ML ? in 12 he inflicts a nasty 5M+ bleed

[bronze wraith]

play dwarf

[daring narwhal]

it's super obvious at this point blizzard doesn't want any non self healing tank this season, it's crazy

[small steeple]

I plan on hopefully doing at least 15s

Hopefully

[tribal wharf]

chaos answer is bop from paladin and then you macro to unbop

the chaos comes from when you lose aggro

cuz thats wht i did for necrotic

it was stupid but it worked

[small steeple]

do any of you know if there is a plate loot spreadsheet for next season floating around?

[wicked pollen]

can just go on ptr

or wowhead ptr check loot

[formal elbow]

i just cannot get any better weapon...which emb. should i put on a crafted weapon? i have a crafted bracer atm with more versa if i have over 80% hp, maybe this accension embl. ?

[dusky canopy]

well, you want to use both thread embelishments if thats the route youre going

[formal elbow]

as far as i can see at crafting menu, i cannot put such a embl. on the weapon with more versa/crit ...

[dusky canopy]

yes thats true

you could just craft the weapon without an embelish

and then craft a cloak or wrist with the second vers embelish

[formal elbow]

why not use accension? that reads nice

[dusky canopy]

ascension is good

but you want to use the embelish that doubles its effect on another piece

so you could craft weapon with ascension and then recraft your vers piece to the double effect one instead

[formal elbow]

ok thanks

[jagged gust]

Honestly they all sim so close it doesn't really matter, I think the damage proc ring effect actually outscaled the nerubian doubler for me at one point

[woven radish]

Whoa whoa whoa! What?!?!?!?! Say it ain't so, they fuckin nerfed it for us?

[urban bane]

ya just ran back some 12s things like in Motherlode with Rixxa and Mogul's "autoattack" not being blockable (magic dam?) are just kinda dumb. But

It isn't impossible just have to use cooldowns and have a healer with a pulse

Would certainly just prefer they are like Nalthor where they "look" like spells but are blockable though :)

[urban bane]

just have to kite a bit when he does his big aoe thing on someone -- let it drop before goin back in

use cooldowns to bide time til then

[strong forum]

Correct, pure magic dmg bosses

[urban bane]

there are enough gaps when rixxa is just doing other stupid shit that she isnt magic auto attacking to where you can get other cds up but still is just dumb

was it like that in bfa? i skipped out that xpac

[round pendant]

I mean spell block works right?

[urban bane]

ya but both bosses do like two or three of these big "magic melees" and then kinda fuck off for like 15-20 seconds and dont do anything which really hurts the tank

and then goes back to doing a few "melees" etc

[small steeple]

That just seems so weird to me. I've gotten used to thinking as pwar as one of the better magic damage tanks thanks to spell block. Like almost every spell in the modern dungeons is blockable with spell block

[urban bane]

haha it isnt unplayable dont get me wrong, just annoying

[strong forum]

We are the best when CDs/Blocks are enough

And we suck when they ain't

It do be like that

[urban bane]

And there are plenty of other places in those dungeons where it still is like your health bar dont move

🤷‍♂️

Small cost of playing the most fun tank

[onyx vessel]

[strong blaze]

I've tried searching on wago and google but to no avail, does anyone have or know of a Bitter Immunity weak aura which pops up when you have an active bleed that can be cleared?

Similar to Detox/Cleanse toxins WA's

[mild river]

Bitter immunity doesn't clear bleeding

[strong blaze]

Ah youre right, just everything else

Misread

ty!

[hollow patio]

How do you get threat on the event-mobs in cot? I am losing aggro to a disc that basically did nothing while I was doing damage to the mobs. As soon as they went active, they just clapped the healer.

[dense remnant]

iirc those dont have an aggro table until they become active

[strong forum]

^

[clear crest]

So prot is doomed for s2 cause of unblockable magic damage and bleeds, right? How many adds/bosses there actually are in the dungeons that do this?

[cerulean tusk]

Not enough to doom us at least. Only place I felt really in danger, was Priory, going the right hand path at the start.
But that has been heavilly nerfed since then

[clear crest]

Thanks :) +12 or how big key?

[cerulean tusk]

10-12 range

With the new scaling to max ilvl and nerfs to the dungs, ppl soaring up the keylevels. So if you just playing casually, you have 0 worries

[clear crest]

I'm planning on pushing beyond 3k, so not just casual, but a bit more :)

[strong forum]

You'll be fine dw

Unless ofc you're bad 😄

Then you might not be fine, but pwar is more than good next season

[clear crest]

Oh, rip me then

🤣

I've pugged 3k before, so have an idea what it could be

[cerulean tusk]

3k next season should be leagues easier than this season

so, ya guchi good

[clear crest]

I have prot pala, pwar, bdk and vdh ready for next season. I'm also RL for a 1-day guild so would like the class I main for S2 be decent in raid dps :)

Fury's looking pretty nice

[cerulean tusk]

Pwarr ST looks to be mighty fine too

They fixed the weird BDK DS scaling, RIP

[clear crest]

I'll be dpsing in raid. No tank spots there

[cerulean tusk]

You are the RL tho

just boot the tonks

[clear crest]

GM is the tank :)))

He and the 2nd tank have been tanking together for like 6 years or so

Can't really boot them 😅

[strong forum]

Not just ST

[urban bane]

raid tank is you wont be missing much :)

[strong forum]

I might even go as far and say that our dmg will be outright disgusting

[cerulean tusk]

Raid tank is youtube and chill

[strong forum]

(if colossus)

(not thane)

❗

[clear crest]

I know :) I like dpsing in raids. Had to tank ovinax on my bdk tho this season

Vdh and havoc seem great too, but i like the warrior community more ☺️

[jagged gust]

I've never played with a warrior I didn't immediately vibe with

[clear crest]

Ye. Warrior discord is pretty chill and mature compared to a couple others ☺️

[dense remnant]

is colossus looking to be the choice for raid?

[strong forum]

both colossus and thane

[dense remnant]

any specific strengths/weaknesses defensively/offensively to consider? i just rerolled to maintank for our mythic raid team for next season, and first time actually playing prot war

[strong forum]

dots big icky

[dense remnant]

just kinda wanting to prepare decently enough

[strong forum]

everything else is lmao

[dense remnant]

i was more thinking of colossus vs thane

[strong forum]

thane is better vs magic dmg

cuz mroe rage gen and IP value

[waxen frigate]

for raid in particular you really wont see any issues

[dense remnant]

based on your response sounds like i wouldnt be inting by playing either in most cases, but would be nice to hear more in depth

[waxen frigate]

regardless of which you play

mythic raid tanking is primarily about positioning and consistency, as well as being a fast learner

[strong forum]

mythic raid is rarely tough on tank these days

[waxen frigate]

%

^

but when it is tough, it tends to be tough

[jagged gust]

Zskarn broke me

[dense remnant]

main thing im thinking is that demolish is an extra button to think about

[strong forum]

no think

just send

[waxen frigate]

sure but you really dont htink a lot as a tank in raid

i usually watch youtube lmao

[dense remnant]

im used to thinking a lot

[jagged gust]

I just macro'd my trinket and put demolish on that keybind, problem solved

[dense remnant]

there are no big knockbacks to negate in new raid, iirc?

[jagged gust]

I have a dedicated braincell for each button, I don't have any to spare

[dark barn]

Guys who are testing the ptr and seeing all the bleeds, do you think the dwarf racial will be a game changer?

[waxen frigate]

dwarf racial is always OP

[jagged gust]

You know how people always say you can play whatever you want? Well you can, but you're eventually gonna regret not being a dwarf.

The only problem then being, that you look like a Dwarf.

Catch-22

[strong forum]

sir we have leap, 2 charges and intervene

you dont give a flying fuck about knockbacks

demolish is just another big dmg button

nothiong else

your biggest one actually

[tribal wharf]

knockback?

you mean free charge use?

or, i put my back against wall if the KB is annoying af

and then i cant be blasted backwards (learned from, yep, you guessed it, doom (2) archvile attack

cant be lifted if there is a low celing above me, cant be thrown backwards ther is a wall

[dense remnant]

none of which guarantees that the boss doesnt move an inch, in case you cared about that

but ye

just came to mind

[tribal wharf]

bosses that have oversized hit boxes that you see on giant monsters that you can run into the hit box and it makes them physically walkback wards to turn around to attack you is a great idea but its not perfect

looks silly when its a gnome 2 ft tall, intidimating shoving back a 40 ft gorilla

[daring narwhal]

How do you survive "Alpha cannon" on the last boss of Motherlode ? It's like 5M+ each hit in 12

[strong forum]

press buttons and get healed!

its a generic magical auto attack

so you just space out your defensive CDs to not overlap them too much

and just press buttons, nothing else you can do

[daring narwhal]

👍

[dense remnant]

is "yell at healer to heal me" a button i can press?

[jagged gust]

my healer was so used to me taking zero damage, this season is gonna be whiplash

Especially when I forget to press a defensive then yell at him for letting me die

[dense remnant]

i wanna play with MW monks, cos they just heal passively without thought

[keen leaf]

I resent that, as a dwarf main, and not for the racial 😄

[dense remnant]

anyone who doesnt play nelf on every class that is capable of that, is objectively wrong

[clear crest]

i went and tried the yoda stresstest in mechagon +12. pulled the whole room and lived for a minute or so

[dense remnant]

wtb dorf racial choice on nelf

[clear crest]

then i went to check yoda's video. he only pulled 2 packs... :D

[strong forum]

aka until your CDs ran out

[clear crest]

pretty much ^^

[daring narwhal]

is the tome of light's devotion worth it given the high amount of magical damage ? especially in motherlode ?

[strong forum]

tome is one of the strongest offensive trinkets next season

so it absolutely is worth it

[daring narwhal]

offensive ?

[strong forum]

🙂

the trinkets tooltip only tells half of the story of what it does

[dense remnant]

doesnt that sound like something that would be nerfed quite fast?

[daring narwhal]

oh really ? so it's not armor + magical shield ?

[strong forum]

1 half if armor + magic absorb

the other half is 3000 crit + 100k dps of a dmg proc

🙂

see the thing on 2nd dmg spot

thats tome

here over the course of a slightly longer fight

[jagged gust]

Was gonna say idk if I can count 6 casts of SS as a real encounter lol

[strong forum]

but yes, defensively for bosses like 3rd and 4th in motherload

tome isgonna be brutally overpowered

[daring narwhal]

oh ok, so when it reaches 50 stacks it does damage

[strong forum]

when it reaches 50 stacks it swaps pages

to the other proc

[daring narwhal]

so half time shield, half time damage

[strong forum]

until the next 50 stacks

if you press the on-use

you can force swap pages

[daring narwhal]

ok, gonna force my team to farm priory then xD

[jagged gust]

I foresee a pin about the trinket soon

[strong forum]

and keep it on the dmg side for as long as possible

[daring narwhal]

thanks for the info!

[solemn current]

I guess the real question is how much of your own damage is being lowered for having the trinket equipped over a stat stick though? Unless I’m misunderstanding it’s just some crit with half duration no?

[strong forum]

if you game it well

you can stay on dmg side 100% of the time

thats why it has TWICE the stat budget of a perma stat stick

when its on the dmg side

its 3k crit perma, and 6k when you use the on-use

cuz it doubles the effect for 20sec when you force swap

its extremely overpowered if you can game it

[solemn current]

So name of the game is stay off the useless stuff we don’t want. Tooltip isn’t obvious what’s the process in avoiding it? Just hit the onuse immediately when you have the armor buff?

[strong forum]

yeah

you get stacks from being taking dmg

so in high frequent dmg events, you will get stacks quickly and cant stay off of defensive side

but in most raid situations you can force swap to dmg side every 1.5min

and stay on dmg side for 90%+

in m+ not so much

but maybe closer to 70-80%

[Tome of Light's Devotion] has 2 parts, the default tooltip is only 50% of what it does:

• Shield Mode:
• grants armor and magic absorb
• Sword mode:
• grants 2k crit and huge dmg proc

after you cycle through "50 pages" of either mode, it swaps over to the other, you can force this change by using the on-use
after using the on-use the mode you swapped to is doubled for 20seconds
meaning 4k crit and 400-800k hits in sword mode

taking dmg advances the pages, ICD is 0.75s

on ST and smaller pulls it ~takes exactly the CD of the trinket to cycle through 50 pages
meaning most of the time you can stay on sword more to get benefit of the huge crit budget and ST dmg proc

staying in sword mode is BY FAR the strongest offensive trinket for tanks in season 1
however the trinket cannot be simmed as it is not implemented in simc and is only obtainable on higher ilvl than 551 ilvl during pre-season

this is what i wrote about the trinket last year

before s1 came out

[solemn current]

Day 1 farm it is then. If nothing else then to play with. Thanks for the info!

[strong forum]

yeah its a must have

S+ tier trinket

[daring narwhal]

another trinket to look for, available in m+ ?

[strong forum]

house of cards

bomb suit

[daring narwhal]

the cinderbrew one seemed fine

[strong forum]

scrapfield

oh available from m+

nah

most dungeon trinkets suck ass next season

[dense remnant]

that priory trinket sounds like a bit too op tbf

[strong forum]

?

oh tome

yeah

it is wildly OP if used correctly

now depends on blizz if they nerf it (if enough people find out about it)

[dense remnant]

at least priory doesnt have like 10+ things for all specs to loot, tho

[strong forum]

and its tank only

so no one else gets to abuse it

[dense remnant]

doesnt have main stat, so doubt many ppl would want it

when its nerfed to a reasonable spot

[strong forum]

It's also very hidden

[small steeple]

where does this ne drop? priory?

[cyan bronze]

it’s goated

[vocal cave]

101% its getting nerfed

[strong forum]

Just like us

[dense remnant]

surely devastator isnt gonna get changed back to 20

[strong forum]

Best case would be lowering aura

[small steeple]

after they just raised it? no no no, that would mean they made a mistake and were backing down...

[vale escarp]

they will say its a bug we got more rage from devastator

and nerf it

[small steeple]

shhhhhhh

[urban bane]

oh i meant to ask with the 25% strategist and devastator does that mean the wall is aite again or nah

[strong forum]

No point

DA got a buff

You always just play double wall now

[urban bane]

oh right

[dense remnant]

what was the buff to DA?

[strong forum]

2min baseline cd 2 charges on SW and imp wall no longer has extra rage gen

Instead of 2.5min cd

[urban bane]

yeah makes sense

[strong forum]

Imp wall is 100% dead

[jagged gust]

Meh, it had its run

I like the double SW charges, because I fuck up and need help

[daring narwhal]

Any spreadsheet / weak aura already available for spell reflects in S2 ?

[jagged gust]

the one in pins is updated for s2 as far as we know

[rocky crest]

Is there a way to completely dodge / block the Brutal strike from Twilight Brute in GB ?

[solemn current]

Yea have shield block up and face the mob to block it like anything else. Imagine you could parry and dodge is as well.

[rocky crest]

Seems like it always goes through even if I got full SB's

[hardy snow]

just parry it

it can be dodged as well

[solemn current]

Probably not facing the mob

Or don’t actually have shield block up when you think you do. Only logs could tell though.

[rocky crest]

gOTTA put the right dance shoes on then

[mighty valley]

yeah i mean block just reduces it by ~30-40% depending on shield etc

still does damage

[rocky crest]

It's just when 3-4 goes off at the same time with rive

shit hurts

and it's always when oh shit cd's are on cd's. Better management I guess

Faulty player.

^^

[jagged gust]

Boys, I think I'm ready for normal.

[hardy snow]

still 2nd boss left

[jagged gust]

[strong forum]

Want me to ruin your day

[jagged gust]

... I knew I shoulda waited a day to post 😦

[strong forum]

Both

[small steeple]

Will the stat priority remain haste>crit for col going into season 2?

[round pendant]

What about relative to dps?

[strong forum]

Depends on which dps, if you assume perfect gameplay, damn fucking close to dps warrior (atleast on aoe Sims)

[strong forum]

Ofc

[rocky crest]

Been out of the loop lately, irl stuff. But heading to S2 which is more pref MT or Col ? for dmg and surv

[small steeple]

Col is big ass dam

[strong forum]

no

this is shit cuz you want instigate and not imp wall

[small steeple]

shhh dont share the parse build

[jagged pier]

Not even parse build tho

[small steeple]

?

[tribal wharf]

no tiny red angry boy?

nah, i dont like this build

[jagged gust]

tiny red man steals my dps

[deft mortar]

No tiny red man no me

I'll get tiny red man and pull one more mob

[unborn island]

Tried ITF in a 10, it was bonkers because of the orbs...

I then forgot to change it and did a GB 13.. and didn't wind up dying. It was actually fun, but it did make me rather concerned at points....

[deft mortar]

1 tank death can erase so much overall dmg done, that it don't even matter getting a 2-3% tank overall imo

Esp since we aren't season title pushers

[jagged gust]

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-thor-god-of-war-motivational-quotes-be-better-gif-10546940836687194054

[frigid spire]

y'all think prot warrior will be meta in S2 Raid?

[strong forum]

cant speak for meta

but its looking rather strong

[frigid spire]

even with the rage gain nerfs?

[dense cradle]

I mean in raid isnt it just

cover what raid buffs

you dont have from melee dps

[frigid spire]

kinda yea

[urban bane]

new tier list drop we're meta

source: i made it the fuck up

[frigid spire]

lol

[tribal wharf]

thats about right

but hear me out

paladin also really based

[dense cradle]

idk tanking in raid

is a sleeper experience

[tribal wharf]

hard to lose with plate armor and shield and active blocking

[frigid spire]

i mean that fist wep dose look kinda good

[tribal wharf]

my thought is shaman heal / paladin tank healer should have 2% flat crit block chance, 1% for dps, like ele

doesnt synergize unless you count it like you have to run SM 3 times in order to get the uncorrupted ashbringer from the naxx raid later

but then id be mad thinking about paladin passively crit block a spell, when i have to hit button to do it

kind of like cheat death for rogue, maybe kicks in at low hp

[hardy snow]

with such big mechanical nerfs its always pretty unknown with dps in the end, as they can overcompensate or undercompenstae, nobody knows

[frigid spire]

thats fair

[young wasp]

whats the DR on haste again

[brittle summit]

When you guys found guilds, did you just PUG?

[kind urchin]

I'm in a guild and still pug.

[wicked pollen]

doesnt matter listen to robot

[pallid quiver]

I think he means how did you find your guild

If so, in my case, I've been guildless since after MoP

[round cliff]

robot tells me to prio tclap over revenge in 8 target aoe as colo

i dont trust those robots anymore

[onyx pike]

so uhm, everyone and their mom's are putting us into lowest tier, are we cooked?

[clear crest]

https://tenor.com/view/its-over-its-done-over-gif-14586343

[onyx pike]

https://tenor.com/view/vipe-vipeio-reroll-vrm-click-gif-15731446971792394713

[round pendant]

Honestly? They're wrong

pwar is gonna be stronk

huge dam

[round pendant]

I was dooming too

but I came around

[ionic fern]

We're really solid right now.

Expect some damage nerfs tho.

[pallid quiver]

no, i won't; i'll forcibly ignore it until it happens so i can feel the despair and rage when it happens

[round pendant]

cmon they gotta let us have at least one season of being the biggest dps tank

it can't always be ppal

[prisma crane]

we had it, but it was like 6 years ago

[nimble plover]

I really miss playing warrior.. i really dont know if im gonna go with prot or arms for s2 with how things are looking rn.
Is prot gonna get any invites for m+ next ssn? 😛

[pallid quiver]

Depends on how high you go. Also won't be much different from any other tank spec that isn't the meta tank

[onyx pike]

It's mainly for raid

I play vdh next season in keys

[ionic fern]

Every tank will get invites.

You might potentially struggle at 13+ or higher keys with getting invites,but shouldn't be much of a issue even then.

[vague abyss]

please tell me this is just prot slander and we are not literally garbage tier

just noticed that we have a date for season 2 and figuring out what to play, but damn, we got that nerfed?

[jagged pier]

nope

we are more powerful than we are now

[vague abyss]

then why IcyVein is slandering the prot 😭

[jagged pier]

we werent even meta this season

so i dont understand your reaction here

[vague abyss]

maybe not meta, but not bottom tier either, i have never got rejected from a key for being a prot warr lol

[jagged pier]

wowo

and u wont next season

[vague abyss]

but some people take those tierlists like a gospel and just stray ignore you

[jagged pier]

you seem to be taking it by gospel with your reaction

[vague abyss]

sadly i had it happen to me with my destro lock, (which btw is apparently S+ tier now), pugs just dont invite you over a 12+ if you aren't meta. Like there is data to prove it that unless you are meta, you aren't playing with randoms

and i mostly play with randoms because my guildies just cant do anything over a 10 xD

nvm is just my rant. Ill probably still play prot warrior because i like it.

[round pendant]

He's not wrong tho

if prot gets unfairly ranked as the worst of the lot in tier lists pugging will be harder

but we still have that tank privilege

so still not worth worrying about

[jagged pier]

literally in SLs and BFA when we were considered so terrible u shouldnt bring them, i still didnt have an issue with invites

[round pendant]

idk why it's getting ranked so low

nothing can convince me prot is worse than brew, bear or bdk

[jagged pier]

and thats when they were putting us in f not b

[round pendant]

yeah it's not like dps at all

[onyx vessel]

Vdh bugged dk is always high ranked from ptr and brew

[ionic nimbus]

We are fine now and will be next season. Tierlists for the actual season won’t rank us higher…

And stop watching tierlists..

[round pendant]

Only reason I've been considering ppal is for the carry potential

[ionic nimbus]

Some comments are worth. For example when someone like Dorki is explaining his ranking. That’s the only information to take with ya

And pls don’t forget that the meta for rank 1 keys is not the same as for weekly keys (what’s more important for the most players)

[hardy snow]

Is our 4p in S2 crit bonus to SS additive or multiplicative?

[clear crest]

how am i to test priory when this item just teleports to the dungeon? :D

all other items work just fine and actually change the key

[daring narwhal]

only way i found is to open many keystone container and hope for a priory key

[ionic fern]

Dungeons are kinda iffy,+ they haven't tested Prot properly.

[zinc garnet]

if B tier is "garbage tier" what would F be

[formal tapir]

A Priest in Burning Crusade gear tanking.

[dense nymph]

Based on logs I have found it is additive, so with 25% base crit you will have 100% for SS during the buff

[jagged pier]

if they didnt make changes to the class after the first nerf we would be F

[cerulean tusk]

Oh ye, that was grim - you could get dead GCDs even after you kept a bank

[sour flicker]

Guys, I'm tired with my earthen - want to change it for different race. Any suggestions on tank playability?

[jagged pier]

literally doesnt matter pick your favourite looking

[cerulean tusk]

Nelf lets you kill ppl on demand

[sour flicker]

considering darkiron dwarf due to mole machines

[cerulean tusk]

Do you like how they look?

[sour flicker]

yeah, thats why I have earthen

[cerulean tusk]

Then go for it

[sour flicker]

want to change it not to eat so much expensive gems

lol

[rugged gulch]

Ayoo what’s that mog you got there?!

[sharp gale]

And tbf dark dwarf have a really useful racial for m+

[cerulean tusk]

Warrior tierset, mythic version

[rugged gulch]

[clear crest]

S2 mythic set

[neon elk]

Do we know what will be availiable during first week of patch? Still old season m+ and delves or nothing at all?

[hardy snow]

Season starts, so new things will be available, as mythic raid starts from day 1, I assume M+ will do as well

[neon elk]

Season starts one week later than patch drops tho

[frozen berry]

I’ve heard next week the 26th m0’s will start dropping 636

[neon elk]

Im curious what will be availiable content during that week

[honest hare]

everything new, exept of Seasonal content, that will start 1 week after patch

[onyx vessel]

[neon elk]

So like m0, some quests and i guess delves ? Or those also count as seasonal?

[honest hare]

i'm not 100% sure about delves but the rest yes.. first week is to discover the new quests/zones etc. then the new season starts

normaly first patch week you run old m+ as high as you can to get a high key for the new season (with a -10 penalty if i remember that correctly 🤔 )

[hardy snow]

depletion level havent been announced yet afaik

[honest hare]

will it be maybe lower/higher than -10 bc of the m+ changes they announced?

[neon elk]

So if i get it right there will be old m+ rotation untill s2 drops, and just after that new m0 and + will have higher rewards right ?

[hardy snow]

yes

seasonal content starts with season

[neon elk]

Thats a bummer wanted to speed cathup on some alts , kinda tired of spaming m+ for crests

[hardy snow]

Why thats a bummer? You would expect seasonal content to start before season starts? 🙂

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-pikachu-pokemon-shocked-gif-16985133

[neon elk]

I dont realy count m0 as seasonal stuff , but yea , kinda? I dont remember how it was past expansions but even with expansion release we had bunch of stuff open before season, that also counted as seasonal right ?

[paper patio]

Hey guys. How is Prot Warrior looking for next Season? I do not really care if its strongest or smth, I am not min/maxing for MDI. I am mostly looking for feedback regarding the playstyle, is it different, satisfying, fun compared to other tanks?

Tierlist usually just talk about pure power and min maxing and I am mostly looking for feedback from Prot Warriors players. Always wanted to play Pwar I have played Prot Pala and BDK, so looking for a little bit of a mixup. Was thinking either Brew or Prot Warrior

[rocky crest]

How high have you gone in keys? Because after 14 I never get invites

[ionic fern]

Fun is too subjective.

It's on the medium- higher APM spectrum for tanks and has a decent amount of buttons. Not as much as Brm tho.

[paper patio]

Is it fun for you? Your opinion is what interests me, personal experiences. Nobody online talks about whats nice for them to play its all about min/maxing these day sadeg

[small steeple]

Marcellian online do make "fun" tierlist for them

[ionic nimbus]

Spell reflect can bring a lot of fun

[woven radish]

This 100% ...never been a problem

[paper patio]

Thanks will check it out!

[lyric fern]

Im sure this questions been asked a few times already, but how is Colossus stacking up against thane in M+ after the changes? Are they comparable defensively now, or is thane still better?

[urban bane]

Closer than before, imo Colossus the clear play

[small steeple]

From what I've gathered, Thane might still be somewhat ahead defensively, but Col does waaaaay more damage

[ionic fern]

Yes,it's fun for me. I like the spammy playstyle.

[small steeple]

Revenge go Brrr?

[lyric fern]

Fantastic, time to parse then

[north cypress]

I have read a few youtube comments about the colossus changes for arms also was applied to prot? Is that correct?

[jagged pier]

yes

[dense remnant]

nelf is the only real choice, fashion > everything else

[north cypress]

Weird that it was not mentioned in the prot section... Nothing hinted towards that being the case

[dense remnant]

which arms changes would these be?

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/slowpoke-pokemon-water-psychic-gif-7898037

[strong forum]

It's just demolish

Since demolish is shared between prot and arms, the bluepost is just poorly written to relay that

[dense remnant]

poorly written/formatted patchnotes

aint no way

[sour flicker]

Nah, dont like their physique

[dense remnant]

interesting choice to not allow emojis from other servers, but GIFs are ok 🤔

guess some ppl were acting like idiots

[small steeple]

Gifs are merely a weblink that gets embedded

[dense remnant]

i agree, if we're talking about the male model

[small steeple]

Embedding is actually a perm that can be changed too tho

[dense remnant]

you can still post screenshots/images as well, right?

[small steeple]

yh

[dense remnant]

even more interesting

[woven radish]

Yea, Demolish fuckin trucks now. You could watch mob health get chunked with each hit last night when i was doing some ptr dungeons

[uneven robin]

how does prot feel overall with the changes on the ptr? Im just starting tww and war used to be my favorite tank back in df

[clear crest]

Feels quite like in DF. You'll feel familiar

[uneven robin]

oh nice, which of the new hero trees seems like its gonna be the best pick for m+?

[clear crest]

Thane afaik

[small steeple]

Col

actually

[dense remnant]

define "best"

[uneven robin]

more gooder

[dense remnant]

is the demolish animation the same one as execute, kind of?

with a weird twohanded slam with your shield and mainhand

[strong forum]

its a 3hit combo

with the last hit doing big aoe boompf