protection

[brittle pike]

Never simmed nor do I know how 😅

[cyan bronze]

on ptr*

[shy python]

How is Colossus prot doing after the recent buffs?

[jagged pier]

Fine like it always was

[sweet summit]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/how-to-use-raidbots-and-run-character-simulations-6050
it's quite simple once you get used to it, but can be very overwhelming in the start with all the options

check this wowhead post and if you have any further questions feel free to shoot

[ionic fern]

MT and Colossus are both fine in the new patch.

[round pendant]

What's colossus dps like relative to dps specs?

I heard all the tanks are doing like 1/3rd

which just sounds unfun to me

[cerulean tusk]

Like 1/5-6th before buffs

[round pendant]

[jagged pier]

We will get nerfed, the top end tanks will beat the low end dps, the dps will complain

Tanks will be nerfed again

[ionic fern]

Well,all tanks just got a flat 20 percent damage buff.

Why are you comparing yourself to DPS'ers?

[cerulean tusk]

Not all

Monk got 15%, DH got a bit more

Spreading lies

smh

[round pendant]

Because if we go from doing 2/3rds to 1/3rd

then our impact on the damage side of the keys is less

which isn't fun (imo)

[cerulean tusk]

You mean 1/5th*

Tanks did 2m ish on PTR, DPS did around 6-8m

[round pendant]

I highly doubt it's 1/5th

[ionic fern]

Eeh,as long as I keep aggro and do decent DPS comparing to other tanks I'm fine.

[round pendant]

yeah your math ain't mathin

[cerulean tusk]

Fair, it is closer to 1/4th, as I was kind to round up tank DPS from what I seen

[round pendant]

That's fair but I like doing dam

[ionic fern]

Play DPS.

[round pendant]

sorry I like being able to run more than 1 key an hour

[cerulean tusk]

Ngl, if tanks do no dam, I am not enjoying it. As the less impact me minmaxing DPS matters, the less I am motivated to do it

[round pendant]

[ionic fern]

Tanks do damage..but comparing tank damage to DPS damage is absurd.

[round pendant]

You're missing the point

[ionic fern]

Explain the point.

[round pendant]

I did already but sure. If we go from doing 2/3rds of a dps players damage in a key to doing 1/3rds in the next season then our impact on mobs dying is literally halved?

that feels bad considering we've been doing big dam for 5 seasons now

I like being able to compensate for shit dps players in pugs too

but if we're just doing peanuts compared then it's just less fun for me + like FunkyKitty said it's less engaging since optimising it becomes less imapctful

[cerulean tusk]

Not really, the % on overall, matters - if tanks are 1/10th of the DPS, then nothing matters. 1/3rd? Kinda matters. 2/3 now it really matters.
If you want the tank to feel they have impact in keys, and they are supposed not to be all about how well they can live.

Basically, just want me pressing buttons to matter.

Not to mention: Bigger numbers is more fun

[round pendant]

god I wish this discord let me use other server's emojis

[ionic fern]

I can't see why you'd think we're going to be doing less damage all of a sudden..the keys I've done on ptr look pretty much the same as now.

ToP 10 as MT...and I messed up a lot

[cerulean tusk]

That is live amount of DPS?

the hell is that DPS?

it low AF

[round pendant]

are the numbers not going up next season

[cerulean tusk]

That is less DPS than ppl do on live keys

what the acutal hell did you link

[ionic fern]

Not sure if you guys know what downtime is and how much walking there is in ToP.

[cerulean tusk]

Hm...

hmmm...

[round pendant]

Either way, Dorki said in his video tanks are doing 30% as much as dps (before 20% nerf)

but the last 2 years I've been doing almost as much as the worst dps in my pugs

so I don't want that to become even bigger of a gap personally

[cerulean tusk]

Depends on how you pull it and what skips you do, but a lot overall. Why?

[round pendant]

I don't think I would even play tank if I did healer dps

[cerulean tusk]

We are far from healer DPS on PTR, dont worry

That wont be an issue, if there isnt a broken DPS trinky

On the beta there was this weird on use, where you healed this thing, and it did a bazillion damage

But - if that aint there, ya shouldnt worry

[round pendant]

Tank is pretty easy but what satisfaction am I getting from just handholding a bunch of zugzug pugger dps

I get the reponsibility of dictating the dungeon and none of the fun of big dam? no thanks

[cerulean tusk]

Tank should never be the big dam

Should just be impactful dam

[round pendant]

yeah ofc

I think tanks doing 1/2-2/3rd is ideal

[cerulean tusk]

I dont have my details data anymore

[jagged pier]

I think doing more is ideal

Mop was peak

[cerulean tusk]

2/3rds seem fair, and it is important that the tanks moment of glory doesnt dwarf DPS

I get depressed as my Fury AoE burst peaks at 14m, and ppally does 20m, no bueno

[urban bane]

god i miss mop days

[sweet summit]

I need to do more than bad dps players

I need to put them in their place

[spring cedar]

doing 2/3 of damage of DPS classes just means that you are a buffed up DPS spec

[ionic nimbus]

Twilight Devastation was Peak, disintegrating pulls by 3ple shower procc!!!

[jagged pier]

Random procs off gear is not peak or interesting

[ionic fern]

I hated that crap so bad I quit raiding.

[cerulean tusk]

Twilight Dev was a ton of fun as a final season trololol thing

I did find those beams that deleted giga packs fun

[ionic fern]

Playing your class super well in a raid? Get rekt,some random who played the class partly afk got a better parse cause his TD procced on adds.

Peak competitive design.

[cerulean tusk]

I am sad you did not find it to be fun for the content you were doing

ya missed out

Doing boosting keys, solo, with twilight dev was peak casual fun

(not as fun, was the whole getting the corruption process, as I was only getting versa procs ones... but oh well)

[ionic fern]

I just brought all leech corruption for m+.

[distant flame]

So war prot is dead tank or not

[cerulean tusk]

Far from dead, depending on content you are aiming for

Meta? Probably not

[distant flame]

I play war and only war but wow comunity are meta men so be taking in M+ with my warri is shitty annoying

[cerulean tusk]

As a tank, you should have no issues PuGing or getting a premade tho

so ya got that going for ya

[distant flame]

S1 in high key i was refused or repalced with pala fucking prot i hate this class ><

[ionic nimbus]

Like this season you will get your invites to a certain level

Highkeys will mostly pick meta, but that’s not a tank thing

[distant flame]

If war tank is dead no one will play it and i think we will have the same scenario of the pala tank in s1 that was shit and after buff it becomes god tiers

[ionic nimbus]

We are much better then Paladin before rework

That was disgusting to play…

[distant flame]

Yes

At the begining of s1 war prot was high tiers

[ionic nimbus]

At the beginning there is no meta, it takes weeks and gear to build the meta. It just says that Warri was not bad

[cerulean tusk]

Start of expansion: Warrior need a shield, we fully geared and ready to go. We look strong!

a few weeks in, we get nerfed, we looked strong - but, others already going ahead of us, as they gotten their gear that matters

end of expansion, we close to useless, so we get nerf reverted to the point we started at. To then repeat the cycle

[ionic nimbus]

And we were not outstanding. Guardian was pretty in the same state

[distant flame]

I didnt see a lot of players playing gardian

[sharp olive]

This is the copium I am looking for

[shy python]

You can with nitro 🤭

[pallid quiver]

No, it's a server setting; they don't allow external emojis without being like a TC/Moderator level member

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-youre-goddamn-right-gif-14600753

[lofty warren]

Where the pwars buffs at?

This is number 1 bs

[brittle owl]

very third reich behaviour indeed

[rancid tiger]

Move down armd

[ionic fern]

Embrace it.

[undone beacon]

Am I dumpstering my raid's mythic prog by playing prot warr in S2

[ionic fern]

No.

[urban bane]

Almost certainly not.

[ionic fern]

If you play the class poorly..yes.

But that goes for all classes.

[onyx vessel]

so your saying yoda plays prot war poorly

[undone beacon]

My raid lead asked if I was okay swapping to another tank if needed and I was like... am I missing something

Didn't know if a certain tank was demanded for any of the upcoming fights

[plush tendon]

only reason would be raid buff

Prot War with all the buffs and colossus I feel like is gonna slap in raid

do some silly dam

[undone beacon]

Yuhh

Luckily I finally found a team with a full suite of buffs

I don't have to be in mage jail for another tier

[tribal wharf]

even though i have alot of nasty things to say about blizzard and wow

protwarrior is still S tier in my heart

and its not even really close

if i had all tanks at 2500 3000 even lets say

i would still play protwarrior first, or like, to survive first.

if they say the key is hard,

less potholes in the road as protwarrior

[jagged pier]

If your not bdk your dumpstering prog anyway cause u cant immune very mechanic and grip every add just saying

[formal elbow]

hello fellow warriors, how does prot is playing at PTR atm? is it slower? not so much IP spam ?

[tribal wharf]

grip is almost as good but more situational

and a bit one and done for some pulls

cuz its like, pull dude into kill pile

done

still try to use dark command as thought it was taunt and im on pwar

more than grip, for its taunt

prot paladin is simply too many buttons for me to be enjoyable and other tanks i associate as being not as durable due to no shield and weaker base armor

[cerulean tusk]

Bit dated, but from what testing I did do: It felt kinda like live, only that you would have to pool your rage with more care. IP spam was down, but it was not slower if you played it correctly. Just a bit more punishing than before.
Now after the 5% add to SS resets, ontop of all the other adds, it should just feel that much forgiving.

[rain light]

Seems about right

[cerulean tusk]

Just make shieldslam knock enemies to the ground, and we golden

https://tenor.com/view/shield-bash-wotmud-knight-funny-gif-25223058

[hearty rain]

i pray for a buff to intervene, would be cool to actually help the party with that

[cerulean tusk]

We simply need more bosses that work like 1st in NW, and I am not sure I really want that

Currently you can absorb a lot of random shots that matter in prior, and shit like that. But it is just busywork

[small steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-gif-21393998

[formal elbow]

hm..ok thank you pal! I had hoped it would indeed be a lit LESS spammy, bec. my left hand, cannot handle the very high APM +playstyle+ so good :/

[cerulean tusk]

APM was never really reduced, we always filled our GCD, just a minor down with IP spam.
If you want lower AMP, you need to go for a class that isnt haste scaled or is a caster

[cerulean tusk]

Oh yeah, real advice to reduce APM. Play with Crit/Mastery, don't go for the meta builds that wants to speed things up. You will still be able to do all your content, but with less strain and a lot less APM.
Play Col, and have most of your off GCD casts on a bind you already press. Shieldblock can go unto Shield Slam, and you remove APM right there, as an example.

Will it be 100% optimal play? No. Will you be able to do up to 15s and mythic raid? Ye, I guarentee it.

[formal elbow]

👍 thank you 🙂

[small steeple]

mastery? not verse?

[cerulean tusk]

Mastery grants critblock, between the parry and critblocks, you get a lot more value than from versa

Also, you hit harder

[brittle owl]

but vers makes me survivable

[small steeple]

Is parry a 100% mitigation?

[cerulean tusk]

Parry removes 100% of the swing parried, ye

SB removes partial, up to 85%, yet allows on-hit effects to apply

[brittle owl]

but muh vers

[cerulean tusk]

vers great if it is magic dam killing you and/or bleeds

That a healer job tho

[small steeple]

looking at next season, lots of bleeds and dots soooo

[cerulean tusk]

Time to build 50% versa

[small steeple]

bring back corruptions lol

[brittle owl]

haste corruption

[mortal cypress]

Do what the pug tanks I play with do: Run whatever stats dps needs, then after one death swear at the healer and insta leave

[small steeple]

100% plus verse corruption

[brittle owl]

vers corruption was smol brain play

big brain play was haste+td

[cerulean tusk]

The classic Pug tank:
Runs in, pulling everyhing with no running dCDs.
Dies.
Leaves.

[brittle owl]

🍀

[small steeple]

Though I did that more on my bdk. And I didn't play too much after corruption vendor came out. 2 TD lvl 3 then stat corruptions

[brittle owl]

lmao end of patch full td

td go brrr

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/beam-magic-bleach-anime-cool-gif-16700274

[small steeple]

Sometimes I wish I stuck around to see that stuff, but meh

[cerulean tusk]

It was more powerful mid tho, when it didnt have the damage/target limits

That was when you deleted half the dung with it

[brittle owl]

td on bdk/vdh? u kidding?

make your dps cry cause they wasted cds

[cerulean tusk]

Full mastery bear tank

BAM

I only played BDK and Warr tho, I wouldnt know if that was glory or not

[fresh valley]

warrior bro's, i've been healing this season, and I keep getting tanks getting clapped by melee swings lined up, like 80% to dead insta. I remember when i tanked way back in BFA i had to be worried about resetting melee swing timers and having them sync up and clapping cheeks, is that still a thing?

[small steeple]

yup yup

[cerulean tusk]

Especially if you got a BDK tank, or any non-warrior

[small steeple]

Just micro kite when aoe stops are used till desynced

[cerulean tusk]

It is reason #1 you dont throw your AoE stops willynilly

you will kill the tank

[small steeple]

why you mean to us bdk/vdh mains? jkjk

tis true

[cerulean tusk]

VDH exsists?

pftz

Warrior tho - it is a diff from going 100 to 95%, to 100% to 80%

we dont care

[small steeple]

I've once compared pwar to a piece of annealed tempered steel. It will bend, and deflect everything.... until it just snaps

[cerulean tusk]

I would rather compare it to a brick; it is solid, every chip, still solid - untill it is all dust

[fresh valley]

awesome, so whenever aoe stops, my tank just needs to slightly re-position to stagger out melee swings

[cerulean tusk]

Yep, standard stuff

[fresh valley]

and yeah, i never see prot war's, it's always VDH and Prot palls getting wrecked

[formal elbow]

sadly i think COL feels totally clunky...that one ability...that hardlocks you at 1 place..feels super meh :/ demolish or so

[fresh valley]

all these fotm reroller's getting into the 13 and 14 range now and mistakes like this start to matter a lot

[small steeple]

but its so beefy

[cerulean tusk]

Well, thane is based around APM, and being GO GO GO, so if you cant play that. You out of luck.

If you want lower APM, then the ability with a cast should be a god send for you

Not to mention, look at the DPS meter when you press it

Ya will get dopamine

[small steeple]

revenge go brr

[cerulean tusk]

Revenge goes brrr indeed

But col go BOOM

well, demo, but when I say demo

the ppl come out of the woodwork to attak me

It is Demo, and they know it

[formal elbow]

still have PTSD from zekvir lvl 2, killing me with demo in his big AOE 😄 but finally i got him down ^^ as prot

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/smile-nod-yes-robert-redford-beard-gif-10489927

[pallid quiver]

You haven't done enough timewalking as a non-tank, then

I've seen a Prot War die through BSV somehow in there

[round pendant]

I died in tw on my dwarf pwar earlier

(my shield broke and I didn't realise)

then the dh in my group just went and solo'd the final boss

weirdest experience of my life

[wild shell]

how do we feel about the nerfs chat

am I switching back to Arms

is prot DoA

should I force my M+ team to find a new tank

[iron sphinx]

hmmm, i liked the idea of collosus but seeing how much worse it was compared to MT this patch i kinda like the idea of giving collosus a go

[jagged gust]

<@&257983573498265600>

[oblique garnet]

Stip clicking the fucking links for one god damn day

[sweet summit]

stip this

[jagged gust]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-4095597578532971838

[small steeple]

Was a bot here?

[jagged gust]

Still gucci, lotta bleeds tho so I hope you're a dwarf with an aug friend

[cerulean tusk]

Didnt reach prot

was taken out in general

[wild shell]

pog

[round pendant]

I'm dooming about S2 pwar

[cerulean tusk]

Why?

[cyan bronze]

fun

[cerulean tusk]

Fair

I am busy dooming about Fury, so I get my doomium dose from there

[jagged gust]

Madox is still betting on an arms angle next season

Which is also pure doom from my perspective

[cerulean tusk]

Sounds likely, sure - I just want Fury to be more than "it can do the content" levels.

Worst of worst case, I will focus on Pwarrior for a season

[jagged gust]

Yeah I'd prefer not having to play the uncooked tofu of melee specs next season

So prot it is lol

[lean aurora]

When warrior is top, we Zug Zug. When warrior is bottom... we Zug Zug.

[jagged pier]

guys dont doom honestly

the streamers are giving us a bad rap because theres more than 1 bleed next season

[lean aurora]

^ this.

[jagged gust]

The fewer streamers playing protwar the better

[cerulean tusk]

As long it aint another Temple boss, I will deal with a few bleeds

[jagged gust]

I'm still seeing Yoda's day 1 build in pugs lol

[cyan bronze]

Warrior is goated idc

[torn gulch]

A lot of the bleeds are avoidable and hurt at high stacks

People are taking the tier sets way too seriously

[round pendant]

I just feel like warrior gets shafted

meanwhile vdh has 1 season of being meh

and instantly rebuffed to be S tier again

my CCs don't even kick anymore

I do zero dam and have zero rage

what's the point boys

[jagged gust]

Even when VDH is meta, it's still just a leather wearing emo lad in the end

Warrior will prevail

[round pendant]

aoe kick needs to not be such an awkward point

and bitter immunity should be baseline

[cyan bronze]

aoe kick would be goated if it was easy to take

[ember token]

I would rather have Challenging Shout to be baseline and Disturbing Shout to be it's own talent in its place on the tree

We dont really need much attention to be fair, Colossus seems like a lot of fun and dam, but lacking utility wise heavily

[cerulean tusk]

AoE interupt would be goated if it instead was an actual silence

[strong forum]

Good, that means I can keep destroying the dmg meter

Cuz oh boy

https://tenor.com/view/mcmahon-gif-21878743

[cerulean tusk]

Meh, BDK does more

https://tenor.com/view/deal-with-it-ryan-gosling-ken-barbie-movie-2023-sunglasses-gif-13224541413317047861

[strong forum]

From what I've seen

It really doesn't

[kind urchin]

Most of the streamers don't really play prot warrior very well so I'd take what they say with a grain of salt.

[strong forum]

I've seen a really good bdk, lose to healer dps consistently

[cerulean tusk]

They dont play BDK either, dont worry

[small steeple]

When the starts align, the blood beast will giveth, but when they are disjointed, it will explode after combat ends

[cerulean tusk]

BDK dam almost pure Death Strike; only the uneducated go for Crusader and pray for RNG

[strong forum]

I'll ima say is, watch the fuck out for colossus

[spring cedar]

inb4 nerf hammer week 2

[small steeple]

In pure single target, rune of sangination is better damage, but if even 1 target is added, you want fallen crusader. In m+, this involves a weapon swap on basses

At least for san'layan

[strong forum]

Depends on rwf guys

[cerulean tusk]

Trust me, dont swap out sang, trust

[small steeple]

for deathbringer, Fallen Crusader is always better

[small steeple]

is Col damage looking really good now, especially after the 20% buff?

[cerulean tusk]

Ofc?

It was already looking good, now it just 20% more?

[sweet summit]

actually not 20% better 🤓

[strong forum]

Well and demolish is buffed by 30%

[small steeple]

I mean, in comparison to other specs/classes

[cerulean tusk]

True, 30% demo is prob fun big number

[strong forum]

I don't know what other tanks are at

[onyx vessel]

I mean people are still using Thane like yoda

[strong forum]

But we're well past the 2mil mark 🙂

[onyx vessel]

[cerulean tusk]

Wasnt we already?

[strong forum]

Nop

[cerulean tusk]

Huh, I am disapointed

[strong forum]

We were at 1.7mil before the buffs from yday

[onyx vessel]

Nomeratur hitting cleave dummy look boys 3m dps

[cerulean tusk]

I am just going to be in denial, and say you didnt play it well enough

[strong forum]

This is sims

[inner hatch]

So how we looking stacked up against all the other tanks friends?

[onyx vessel]

So 0 ip used

[small steeple]

Is this pure single target?

[strong forum]

Pure ST yes

[onyx vessel]

[cerulean tusk]

VDH and Pppally still pumping

so, ye

[strong forum]

No clue

[onyx vessel]

In aoe

[strong forum]

Haven't seen other tank Sims or performance

[spring cedar]

we are on the top 6, as always.. which is good tbh

[onyx vessel]

St is probably dog

[cerulean tusk]

Pwarr is top 10, all is good in the world

[strong forum]

Pally and vdh are still turbo bugged

So tough to say

[inner hatch]

Well I prefer not knowing then, as I am aiming to be prot warrior. But guild is seeing if they need to rearrange me for mythic prog and give buffing to a arms.

[onyx vessel]

Prot warrior is still like bugs eh

[small steeple]

idk anything about pally, but vdh only had the wounded quarry making souls bug left, and that is now no longer a bug

[cerulean tusk]

For mythic prog, ya prob want monk and BDK either way

[cyan bronze]

think last one for vdh is fixed

or?

[fresh belfry]

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kgJYj4N9McQMnFbsaiWwkb/simc

surely something here is wrong or

[cyan bronze]

wq is “fixed”

[spring cedar]

*For Mythic prog in top world 50 guilds

[onyx vessel]

I mean for raid you just play arms or fury

M+ is for prot

[strong forum]

Fuck is this

[cerulean tusk]

Cute

[fresh belfry]

a sim?

five, actually

[strong forum]

Duh but who made it/where is it from

[fresh belfry]

i made it

[strong forum]

Ah

[onyx vessel]

Hide the stats

Can't tell them prot is good we get buffs reverted

[small steeple]

vengance needs AR comparsion in there, it will realllly rival FS in pure single target

[strong forum]

Pwar talents and gear aren't entirely correct

But number is regardless of that correct

[fresh belfry]

the gear is what I got after optimizing twice

¯_(ツ)_/¯

like top gear > droptimizer > top gear x2

[small steeple]

Howd you sim multiple classes like that at once?

[strong forum]

Multiple sim sets

[vocal cave]

druid?

[strong forum]

i reckon that other tanks need to do a lot more APL work than us

[fresh belfry]

dru what?

[small steeple]

But like, how do you get them combined, and how do you get the gear/talents for the sim without simc string? Did you use the actually simc app?

[strong forum]

you get the simc string

you can see the input in the link

[fresh belfry]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/wiki/ProfileSet/6c4424c2a63f90913ef699ad548706ffe8ce1f08

[cerulean tusk]

Jd is hiding bear, cause bear is sleeper broken

I heard they do 3x the AoE of anyone else

[onyx vessel]

Simming for tank dmg

[strong forum]

you can REALLY cook with druids

[fresh belfry]

i will NOT entertain myself with the thought of ever playing druid again

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/eJ2DpKO.png

[deep steppe]

Sorry to interrupt but, at we looking at Colossus for Raid and Thane for M+ or will it just be a Colossus train all the way (As it stands right now/subject to change)

[strong forum]

cant believe pwar is dying in the sim

[onyx vessel]

Spamming revenge no block or ip

[cerulean tusk]

Just use a healing pot bro

[onyx vessel]

[strong forum]

nah

but you can see where execute starts

on that graph

[onyx vessel]

Unbind execute

Doesn't proc ss refresh

[cerulean tusk]

Never, I will press execute when it shines, even if it is mass AoE

is life

[strong forum]

it does

[onyx vessel]

[deep steppe]

[onyx vessel]

I try not to hit execute if ima die but sometimes it glows

[fresh belfry]

tl;dr you take multiple simc profiles, (usually starting with [CLASSNAME]="[name]"
) and at the end you write single_actor_batch=1

[small steeple]

Is there an easy way to set up the character string without activiely having the simc string output?

[fresh belfry]

wdym. easier than writing /simc ingame?

[small steeple]

Like, if you don't have a character/class. Can you custom build it with the gear combinations without all of that, and talent combinations

Sorry this is probably not the place for me to be asking this stuff

[fresh belfry]

i mean sure you can custombuild whatever you want but it's a lot easier starting with an existing character than writing everything manually line by line

once you have a character with the basic information Top Gear is very handy to just click everything together however you want it

[hardy snow]

isnt this just for arms? in patch notes its under arms, usually if something for hero specs is in general, its in separate category (like for DH)

[fresh belfry]

oh yeah thats actually what I came here for

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/commit/14f1547e8d

is this intended?

i guess it is

[urban portal]

its not easy

but its not hard either

you take a baseline from somewhere else

then you modify talents and gear

both you can get from wowhead

[fresh belfry]

i find it easier to just use top gear and then take the gearset/loadout you want and quick sim it

if you do that you have the character loadout in the sim profile and can just copy paste it

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/FmFgKo3.png

are you okay

it aint under arms only

[hardy snow]

I mean patch notes, not wowhead's datamines https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/undermined-development-notes/2031155/12

[urban bane]

valhalla awaits me when i die

[strong forum]

demolish is shared between arms and prot 1-1

its just listed under arms cuz patch notes author aint always 100% the same as datamines are

[small steeple]

So I know this is for prot, but I took your sim, and added another vdh to it for testing AR, but its saying my talent tree hash has a node unavailable to the spec

[strong forum]

youre simming on non-ptr i assume

[small steeple]

I dont think so?

[fresh belfry]

11.1 has changes in the talent strings for some classes

you cant copy a talent string from live or retail wowhead

[small steeple]

i used ptr wowhead tree

[small steeple]

Weird, looking more into it, its running and has the correct talents selected so seems like a weird lil bug

[lusty karma]

Has anyone done raid testing on the PTR? I'm curious how PWar will be for the new raid

[small steeple]

lmao so is prot pal

[median niche]

easiest war spec to do zekvir with?

[dusky canopy]

whatever one youre most comfortable playing

[median niche]

how do i deal with the poison when the heal comes 8 sec after?

[hushed harbor]

healer bran

and avatar

[median niche]

he is not diseplling it

maybe 1/5

[outer ginkgo]

someone says that prot war already sims more than aff lock. Any links?

[strong forum]

depedns how much affli is simming

and if it does

thats deeply concerning for affli

[ornate sigil]

Do we know how many rage are we going to lose with those 11.1 changes?

[strong forum]

almost break even

but we gain a ton of ST dmg

[small steeple]

ST has been prots weaknest since at least SL right?

[strong forum]

not rly

our weakness was aoe

[ornate sigil]

you mean, after the yesterday changes? Are you aspecting more change for the class?

[small steeple]

Oh yea, I guess I got it backwards lol

[strong forum]

yes

we will gain like 30% ST dmg

maybe more

[outer ginkgo]

iirc aff sim around 2.1 or 2.2m

[strong forum]

thats 1mil behind arms and fury

wtf

are you sure those are accurate

[small steeple]

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4gRW7bfhfGojRHhV2CBLi3/simc

[outer ginkgo]

its from screens in lock discords, so looks like accurate

[small steeple]

damn, if thats the case, damn

[mild river]

Is this aoe or st?

[small steeple]

Pure single target

[urban bane]

Never trust a warlock sims

[strong forum]

yeah warlock sims from what i heard are always sus

[mild river]

Do we have aoe sims already?

[strong forum]

i could

[ornate sigil]

nice, nice

[cyan bronze]

aff is ass

but that number is very low.

[ornate sigil]

and do you think that dwarf is gonna be needed?

[strong forum]

yes

s2 actually has bleeds now

[cyan bronze]

Bro

[jagged pier]

depends how high u want to go

[cyan bronze]

wtf is that build for aldrachi LOL

[jagged pier]

title keys yer probably

protals and mount. no

nome is dwarf biased he like them

[cyan bronze]

no af no sf

[strong forum]

dwarf bis aesthetics

[cyan bronze]

holy

[cerulean tusk]

Jakey saying Nelf can't get title? Wow toxic

[jagged pier]

didnt say they that

i said yer probably

[cerulean tusk]

Backpedal already

Wooow

[jagged pier]

doesnt mean other races cant

[cyan bronze]

u have the correct build for fel scarred too

the build for aldrachi is closer to m+ talents tho

[small steeple]

in the sim I linked? Did I leave m+ talents? I was also getting a "talent hash code" error but the talents all looked right

[ornate sigil]

bleeds ignores IP? noob doubt

[strong forum]

no

[ornate sigil]

make sense

[strong forum]

IP works vs everything

but bleeds are dmg that only evoker can dispell

thats really it

[cyan bronze]

u had a weird mix of talents

prob like 3-10% st to be gained on it

[small steeple]

this is what it was suppose to be, is this what got ported?

[blazing condor]

Comin here just to disagree

[cyan bronze]

yes

this is not optimal st

[small steeple]

ah, haven't raided on dh in a long time

[cyan bronze]

felscarred is better

for what you have talented

drop 1pt pb, cs for af and sf

[ornate sigil]

uhhh, got it! and what do you think about bloodsurge? Gonna be mandatory? I mean, cuz of the changes

[cyan bronze]

some other small gains also

but those are the big ones

[bleak breach]

I’m still an OG bent over orc

[cyan bronze]

also I think bear is p high st still

[small steeple]

yh gained about 150k dps. But I don't think AR apl is set up correctly rn either and needs changes with the new stuff. Meyra said they haven't worked on it yet either

[cyan bronze]

its not fully functional no

but idt its that bad

[small steeple]

just did a no spb build for AR and it was even higher, within 40k of FS.
Meyra said for damage in single target spb isn't taken next patch. (for AR)

[cyan bronze]

ye

its not

the gain to not taking it is rather minimal alot of the time iirc

[cerulean tusk]

Looks to me that pwarr needs a solid -30% Nerf launch week, to never be tuned again

[cyan bronze]

& you still will take on some fights for paddington

[strong forum]

okay

our aoe sim

is not okay

[small steeple]

good ok, or bad ok?

[strong forum]

its competing with fury

[cerulean tusk]

Who doesn't

[small steeple]

oh

oh

[strong forum]

ok well its 15% behind fury

but thats still

insanely close

[pallid quiver]

That's 30% behind where we're supposed to be

[cyan bronze]

why is it so low?

[cerulean tusk]

What about a real AoE spec tho, hmm?

[strong forum]

wdym low

[cyan bronze]

why is prot(a good spec) below fury ( a bad spec)

dont rly think thats good

[strong forum]

xd

[cyan bronze]

[cerulean tusk]

Kinda like saying
A run fast, he outruns the legless man

[pallid quiver]

Actually, tanks should be #1 in DPS. We're the most threatening, after all

[small steeple]

Lets remove threat multipliers completely

[pallid quiver]

Maybe if we somehow scaled with the damage we took...

[cyan bronze]

no they can't do that

[pallid quiver]

And it could even scale our defensive abilities, too, to keep up with the higher intake

[cyan bronze]

the name is already taken

by a purple tank

[pallid quiver]

I rucking hate DH even more.

You've only added to my list of hate.

I can't believe they took not only meta from my Locks, but Vengeance from my tank

[cerulean tusk]

Let's pray pwarr DPS is broken, that way my tank mate can carry my fury in m+

[small steeple]

do you know why this is?

[vocal cave]

warlocks are less loud boomkins

[cerulean tusk]

Warlock and Ret, by sheer coincidence ofc, always undersell themselves during tuning

[sharp gale]

It is usually hearsay like these kind of things

Like the common dislike of a certain hunter, idk why

[urban bane]

This was years ago when I was a rogue main but TC folks there always said the warlock APL is just also kinda rough around the edges and there's some interactions which aren't implemented well, too.

IDK if it is entirely malice or what

[bleak breach]

Don’t tell the doom and gloomers

@strong forum with the damage buffs is BSV worthwhile at all or still trash?

[urban bane]

prot warrior c tier for sure

[bleak breach]

Thought it could actually be okay if we’re cranking damage?

[strong forum]

BSV being worth is up to you

[bleak breach]

Ffs I’m a nuffy don’t listen to me

I mean the one that heals for deep wounds

[strong forum]

no that talent is dead

[lyric fern]

Fuck it just let prot do more damage than fury what's the worst that could happen

[bleak breach]

Just having a 0 iq moment

[strong forum]

Fueled by Violence is legitimatly bad this patch

[bleak breach]

That’s the one

Close enough 😅

[rancid tiger]

most specs arent properly implenmented in sims

looking at all 3 hunter specs

havent seen anything in keys besides blue boys and hunters beating hus

but warrior as it seems now is going to be quite ok

[sharp olive]

I've checked pinned,
Can someone tell me if it's Thane or Col next patch?

What's the cookie cutter for the lazy man

[bleak breach]

Colossus

But both good

Thane probably slightly better if you’re nervous about survivability

[dark barn]

My monk friends are sharing this single target comparison, can someone find a error? I cant believe in it

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pL2gPMT6v1tEvTatKzqQZv/simc

[rain light]

what

[strong forum]

monks never sim that well on paper

never have

they are more encounter and dmg intake dependant than any other tank

[tribal wharf]

stagger in a key feels weirdge

has since bfa, tried it like once didnt like, basically same for 9.x

but i liked faeline stomp

i hated the NF thing so much for warrior

[hardy snow]

but arterial bleed change follows this patch notes structure, its 5% on arms and 3% on prot

[strong forum]

correct

but

they didnt do that for demolish

simple as

patchnotes incorrect

[hardy snow]

that would fit main theme of TWW, quality control doesn't exist, everything is a mess

[strong forum]

the people who write the patch notes arent the same people who patch the game

hence why sometimes things from the patchnotes arent implemented in the game

or why something isnt in the patchnotes but its implemented in the game

like for example the magic stagger buffs in dragonflight

which werent implemented into the game

twice

despite the patchnotes stating they were

[hardy snow]

if only devs had some supervisor that would check if everything is correct 🤔

[orchid mural]

worried about all the bleeds in the upcoming dungeons 😦

anyone have any hope for some more changes?

[jagged gust]

Sounds like a healer issue

[small steeple]

@strong forum what crit value do you think col should swap from roar to spear at? I know next season its probably gonna be that way, is there a known point?

[strong forum]

Spear and roar are almost identical in dmg next season

Just play roar

[keen leaf]

is MT still good next season, i see people saying colossus is better

[dark barn]

Everyone is saying to change race to dwarf or embrace the bleed hell

[glacial lynx]

I just always play with an aug do I need to worry about bleeds?

[strong forum]

I have no clue

Apparently there are some nasty bleeds next season, but that'll only matter for high keys

[strong forum]

If you want to do good aoe, thane is not it

Colossus does absolutely disgusting amounts of aoe dmg compared to weak little thane

[keen leaf]

fuck it, Demolish it is

[strong forum]

Like im talking difference of multiple million

[round pendant]

Nome are you optimistic for keys as pwar

[strong forum]

I always am

[keen leaf]

It wouldnt matter for him

[round pendant]

I'm prob going for 3k since I want that mount

[strong forum]

Easy

[round pendant]

dunno how much harder that'll be from the usual 10s I do

[strong forum]

Can get that week1

[round pendant]

lol

I don't have gigasweat friends to play with

[strong forum]

That's just a couple what, 13s?

Should be rather easy

[round pendant]

should be yeah

I just dunno how new 12s compare to old 10s

[strong forum]

Key scaling is lower

Way lower

Like I was over 2.5k score during heroic week of tww s1

With hardly trying

[round pendant]

You have gamer friends though

[strong forum]

Ig

[round pendant]

My friends are playing but they're significantly worse than your buddies

good enough for +10s this season though

gotta try and push em to be even better so we can chill for the 3k reward every season

[rain light]

easier

[strong forum]

Next season has less tank busters

[rain light]

and super nerfed dungeons/m+

[round pendant]

I'm swapping to dwarf

[strong forum]

According to sense however

66% of busters aren't blockable

[round pendant]

yeah I heard that too

[strong forum]

So we'll see

We have 30% sw uptime with 2pc

[round pendant]

god I wish my friend played disc and not holy

[strong forum]

So should be gucci

[round pendant]

holy is so ASS

[strong forum]

Eeeehhh

Holy is just more 1 dimensional

But waaaayyyyy better for tank healing

And way better for setting up pulls

[round pendant]

pretty bad aoe heals and movement

[strong forum]

Cuz guardian angel is 1min cd if you don't proc it

So they can just send it on cd on you

Or rather, on pull

So you're always comfy

[round pendant]

should I be telling my friend to use that on me every pull

[strong forum]

Yes

[round pendant]

I didn't even think about it cause it's not necessary

lmao

but that's a good idea

[strong forum]

It's not necessary, but it's awesome af

I love when my healer pops their short CD external on pull on tank

Just on cd

It gets extreme value

Better than never using it, or using it poorly

Just on pull, on cd

(except on bosses)

[round pendant]

tbf when he does use it it's usually clutch

but yeah I feel like this next season is gonna be like

healer check every single key and tons of aoe dam

[strong forum]

No clue

[round pendant]

I wonder if they'll buff holy some more

[strong forum]

I'm just there to tank and top dmg as tank

[round pendant]

[strong forum]

I can smell a long tank season for me

And I don't mind it since colossus is bangin

Maybe I'll get to tank raid aswell

And style on nerds

[round pendant]

holy my friend uses guardian spirit 0-3 times per key

yeah I'm gonna tell him to use that way more

[strong forum]

🙂

[round pendant]

1min cd 40% more heals

[hushed harbor]

Is colossus looking like the winner this time around? Would love to see it

[strong forum]

Absolutely does yes

Not from a pure defensive pov

But overall winner

Does way more aoe dmg

And we get to play IO now

[hushed harbor]

And 5% larger

[strong forum]

Tldr is in pins

BTW

[round pendant]

I'm looking forward to it

just hope it's not as cancerous as the streamers are saying

[strong forum]

Who in the what now

[round pendant]

Feels bad ditching my orc warrior for dwarf tho

my main

[strong forum]

Don't pull the trigger on that

Everyone is always overblowing minute stuff like that

[round pendant]

Stoneform is just useful af though

[strong forum]

Go and see for yourself

[round pendant]

better than orc racial

[strong forum]

Before you spend money

[hushed harbor]

You’ll take my HMTauren from my cold, dead hands

[round pendant]

nah separate character

[strong forum]

Stinky horde

[hushed harbor]

*musky horde

[round pendant]

Dorki, Quazii and Yoda (lol) all said pwar is C tier and bad in these dungeons

[strong forum]

Good

[round pendant]

because bleeds and unblockable busters

but like

Just play better??

[strong forum]

Their takes are probably outdated

And only from thane PoV

So it's perfect advertising

[round pendant]

does col handle bleeds betterer?

🤔

[strong forum]

Immovable Object does

[round pendant]

oh fair

[strong forum]

Also 20% larger IP

• 5% less dmg taken

Perma

That goes a long way

(mostly the IO tho vs the unblockable stuff)

And like they also self admittedly said (atleast yoda did) hes not that good at pwar

Which, props to him, is not something many are willing to admit

[round pendant]

Shouldn't matter to me ig since I only want to do 12s/13s

[strong forum]

Yeah

All this shit won't matter outside of push keys

So just pump

[round pendant]

but my healer buddy isn't tooooo good so if I'm griefing him by being fucked by bleeds it's just less fun for everyone

[strong forum]

And have fun

Bro

You don't give a fuck about your healer

Trust

Your party does, but you don't

[round pendant]

He's my friend and I want to play with him so I try to make shit as easy as possible for everyone I'm playing with

[strong forum]

If you just yell at him at the right times

To heal you

Through X thing

That's plenty

Rest is w/e

[round pendant]

god I can't believe he's not been using guardian spirit tho

and yeah

I mean we have good synergy really

I never really feel like he's struggling to heal ME

[strong forum]

If I can do +10 GB on a stinky alt warri with a disc priest who only did 350k hps when I did 1mil on my 610 prot

Surely

[round pendant]

just group aoe fucks him in 11s/12s this season that we tried a few keys and then gave up lmao

[strong forum]

Mh

Then try figuring out how to help you him to get better

Check logs of good holy priests

[round pendant]

I need to play holy myself so I know wtf I'm looking at

[small steeple]

isn't that exactly why hpriest is considered the weaker healer this season? It can't really deal with group wide damage right?

(never played priest before)

[round pendant]

I wonder how many holy priests there are doing +12s this season

not a lot lmao

there's like 400 holy priests above 2900 rio

and like 7.5k disc priests

Yeah they need to buff that spec

[small steeple]

Fro mwhat ive heard, the rework/changes going into 11.1 make it have a better alternate playstyle for aoe damage, but its still worse than hpriest normal big spot/indivdual reactive heals

[round pendant]

My friend also made the great mistake

he told me he usually pops his defensives AFTER taking damage to prevent himself from dying

oh my god

He pops Apotheosis twice in each dungeon

[waxen frigate]

the classic "oh shit button"

[heavy sparrow]

Introduce him to hekili..it honestly helped me a lot as a prot war with the new expansion when I haven't played since cataclysm

[round pendant]

He's a healer

[high aspen]

What a weird way to nerf prot warrior https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1314558727147491368/1339795964684275732/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp_2.mp4?ex=67b005ba&is=67aeb43a&hm=0036ee8f5ea7fedc77f313c9c55f18cabc461028f58679910e3f8f14dffad3d6&

[sharp gale]

That’s how I helped my friend who wanted to try heal

I told him play rdrood bc idk anything about healers but I can do 10s on that spec

And I just tell him the combos I do for AoE pulses

[round pendant]

My friend's been healing a long time but that comes with bad habits from when healers weren't fighting tooth and nail to keep people alive every gcd

His main issue I'm noticing from looking at his logs is just CD usage

crazy how you can just not use basically any CDs in a +10 and do fine lmao

[sharp gale]

Yeah that’s what I had to tell him to just press convoke on every pack or even when is a little bit scared for example, you have shit ton time between things

And for the barksin I just told him to use it on cd whoever he puts it on

To get used to use it

If that can help, I tried first to make my friend used to press things before he understands himself why he needs to do bc no dmg in non push keys

[hearty terrace]

Hey si there a TLDR with Warrior next session with how slow it is how dose it fell atm and what not? 🙂

[bleak breach]

Felt about the same when I’ve played

Colossus better, thane worse.

[supple meadow]

So we're colossus now

[formal tapir]

Aw yiss big dragon.

[jagged pier]

U are whatever u want to play

[supple meadow]

Understandable

[bleak breach]

Can’t go wrong either way

Colossus has a higher ceiling, but more punishing if you get it wrong

[jagged pier]

thats just playing incorrectly and probably initing damage doing that

wow he got to chained lucky jugg stacks

doesnt mean he couldnt have done more

literally could have had SS do 30% more damage for 30% of the fight

[hardy snow]

If you want to be in top logs, you must be prepared to some degen playstyle that you may not like

[jagged pier]

im not saying thats not how u get top logs

im saying they can still do more

like instead of spending on IP u spend on SB

[mortal cypress]

ive seen tier lists of tanks for M+ etc, but usually that leans heavily into utility and survivability.....which tank has the highest flat out damage?

[ionic fern]

[ionic nimbus]

Not warrior, is that the answer you need?

[ember token]

None of them tested colossus (or at least with proper builds), so... 😉

[mortal cypress]

Was just curious which it was lol

[jagged pier]

dont really know till patch

[mortal cypress]

for low keys and such, just to blast

[ionic fern]

Tbf,Colossuses top-end key viability is still TBD.

[ember token]

Ofc, its too early to say but no matter what it does more than thane which everyone is testing on as it is a safer option

[ionic nimbus]

Even if I could proof that DK is best or whatever. Actually one class change could change everything and patch isn’t out yet. We will get some tuning in the first weeks aswell. .. actually we got 2 very good tanks with Pala and DH. Dk will be pog for raid. And the rest is just open. Don’t bother about tier lists. Even if it’s a good one. 99% of the contents can easy be played with b tier specs. It’s more worth to improve the own playstyle than minmaxing classchoice

[ionic fern]

Jeah,MT is still solid in S2. Potentially better defensively,but significantly worse offensively. The changes done to Prot were great for Colossus with increased IP value and the BT change etc,but they did not bring anything new to MT.
The defensive part of Colossus is made up for by the tier set and playing IO tho.

Seems to be a Colossus angle as a default build for your average players in m+ with MT remaining a decent alternative.

[ember token]

Which brings some needed synergies with talents (IO) and double SW which is nice

[ionic nimbus]

The good thing, in my opinion, is that now changing to Colossus with a new season is changing the playstyle. MT was getting boring.. happy to feel some changes

[ionic fern]

Jeah,I am a big MT enjoyer,but also looking forward to a season of Colossus.

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/puVZ1WK.png idk what youre talking about

[jagged pier]

myfic

[strong forum]

the reason why IP uptime is low on kyveza is because the dot chews through it like butter

and the reason for "low SB uptime" is because of Massacre

but all these "metrics" will get fucked with s2 patch anyway

cuz everyone will get a massive dmg buff

[violet ginkgo]

How good is the 20% aura buff?

[strong forum]

oh sweet summer child

[mortal cypress]

I did some quick napkin math and i think its 20%

so pretty good

[strong forum]

Instigate is getting a massive rage gen buff
we're gaining 1 extra talent point in the class tree 3rd gate
BFI is getting a dmg buff
Shield Slam is getting a +20% buff
we're getting a 3% aura buff + another multiplicative 20% aura buff after that
Demolish is getting a 30% buff
Colossus is getting +3 Rage Gen on Shield Slam
Execute is getting a 10% buff
Barbaric Training will no longer add +10 Rage to Revenge

so its NOT JUST A 20% AURA BUFF

[jagged pier]

get ready for the nerf baby

[left meteor]

Actually a 20% aura buff is a bit less than 20%

[strong forum]

its not

cuz its not +20%

[left meteor]

It is

Cause it doesn't apply to melee or secondary effects

[mortal cypress]

goddamnit, i always sucked at math.....

[strong forum]

ah you one of those "ackshually you do 0.3% of your dmg with cantrip effects therefor its only a 19.8% buff"

[jagged pier]

ACKSHUALLY 🤓

[left meteor]

Sure we can ignore the Melee part and say it's a low number to seem smarter let's go with that

[bleak breach]

I’m ready to pump

Imagine how much demolish is going to hit for

[strong forum]

if all 3 hits crit, almost 10mil on ST

with patch hitting ill sim 260k dps more

[bleak breach]

Struth

We’re gonna be competitive to mid dps

[strong forum]

i mean theyre also getting buffed

everyone is getting buffed

[bleak breach]

Fair

You got me there

[strong forum]

arms will go from 1.6mil sim to 2mil+

same with fury

just from patch hitting

raid will be a turbo joke for a week

[bleak breach]

We’re gonna legit have to tell OT when we’re about to use demolish, if it triple crits you may as well have just hit taunt…

Honestly never thought I would see the day where we would pick BT

[strong forum]

took long enough for them to fix it

[bleak breach]

Yeah, there was so little gain for the extra rage use

Although would still probably suck if colossus didn’t exist

[strong forum]

nah cuz revenge plays a slightly bigger role for thane next patch

[bleak breach]

Fair

What is our strategist proc rate like in comparison to now?

Did they overall nerf but buff to devastator cancel eachother out? Or about the same?

[strong forum]

feels still slightly worse

on paper is a gain

[bleak breach]

Interesting

[jagged pier]

battering ram back?

[strong forum]

yes

with tierset tho

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

oh okay with slightly diffy talents patch hitting is 340k dps gain

uhoh we rising

[gaunt spire]

Trying to improve and I see a lot of mentions of enemy swings lining up and that being horrible and all. But how do you keep track of that? Do you look at the animations or is there some nice way to keep track of it?

[jagged pier]

if they get stunned

they basically become syncd

[cerulean tusk]

All you do to counter this, is to backpeddal a bit, so the mobs dont all reach you at that exact time when the stun ends

Not that it matters much for warrior, just block it and smile

BDK tho, you throw down that DND and make sure not to get 1 tapped

[hardy snow]

will it replace ravager?

[strong forum]

yes

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

you expect it

if stun all of them at the same time, and they all break out at the same time

the 1.6s swingtimer of the mobs will almost CERTAINLY be synced up to be ready

therefor they will all swing at the same time when they break out

you can outplay this by, like funkykitty said, backpedalling

or you re-stun some of them, or use our target capped fear, or you dont backpedal and pop SW

having a good chunk of parry helps extensively vs those situations aswell

[gaunt spire]

Oh. Sounds easy enough. Guess that is not where I should dig in to improve then 😛

Thanks for the info

[strong forum]

yeah its not all that common in regular play

to get globalled from synced melees

it is common for VDH and BDK tho

cuz they have notoriously bad raw physical mitigation if not ready for it

[formal elbow]

at 2. boss hero, the beam (not cone) aims at the tank that is not in the add phase right? and that tank outside the phase..should posi himself that the beam front+behind the boss not aim for the glowling stuff(were new adds will spawn) right?

[hardy snow]

boss shoots beams to his sides, so he must be turned properly to not kill group thats dealing with adds and give them enough time to do this, on hc I think you can just be on the opoosite side of where the group is, so beam shoots at 90 degrees of them

[formal elbow]

ok thank you 🙂

[sharp gale]

And on the swing topic, for trash abilities, it depends on pull and if you sync them again with stuns , ( like boralus you pull at the same time the patrol and the pack 2nd pull = you will get grabbed and cleaved at the same time)

[lofty warren]

Not sure why he make a new tier list yesterday it's basically identical to the one he made 3 days ago

[cerulean tusk]

We moved infront of guardian? Dang, we need some DPS buffs

[lofty warren]

They should just undo all the garbage they did to pwar and revert it back to 11.0 build

[maiden raptor]

Theres just a lot of bleeds and unblockable damage coming in the next season....which is not a good thing for prot warriors.

[round pendant]

nah

I'm looking forward to colossus being better than thane

[lean aurora]

Crimes against Pres Evokers.

[vocal flame]

DH on top again? This is like rinse and repeat

[ionic nimbus]

So Prot Pala is different for you?

[vocal flame]

Good point

[noble wind]

Is there a tier list we trust of the tanks lol

[vocal flame]

Well with the m+ changes they are all pretty viable up until the higher keys

up there its always meta garbage typically

[small steeple]

BT? I don’t recognize that one

Oh is that barbaric training

lol

[sharp gale]

you are supposed to listen to the video

the tierlist itself is clickbait

to have a tierlist in thumbnail

[small steeple]

lol he basically said nothing in the video

[sharp gale]

so it's just farming views that's it

[drowsy narwhal]

I dont know how to do it myself. Can someone tell me the total dmg output for a dungeon of your choice for prot warrior col, thane and fury and arms for the next season?

i want to know vaguely the difference in dmg output

[sharp gale]

idk i usually double the overall of the previous patch to guess how much people will be around

[jagged pier]

The one you make yourself

[carmine solstice]

s tier tank pkayed by C tier player is a C tier tank

[urban portal]

i think thats the Idea

S tier tank played by C tier player is a C tier tank

but a C tier tank played by a C tier player is a F tier tank

[ionic nimbus]

Play what you want, if u want to play for title… play what u want and reroll midseason to meta

[urban portal]

so they NEED to play the S tier tank

[noble wind]

I have a Blood DK, Bear Druid & Prot Warrior ~ I normally push to 3Kish ~ I dont pick based on the tier, more so i like to read why they are at that tier and then make my choice.

Why is X class S+ tier, what makes them S+ tier type thing..

[plush tendon]

OOOOOOR, play what you want, find 4 friends and make them conform to a comp around you

[urban portal]

anyone who says "utility" is coping

[plush tendon]

[urban portal]

utilties dont change between patches

[cyan bronze]

HAVOC DEMON HUNTER is good in this one tho

[cerulean tusk]

Warrior cant be lower than C

Not as long shieldblock exists and mobs auto attack

[plush tendon]

these streamers sleeping on Prot War

still on VDH hype tran

but Prot War I think will surprise people

[cerulean tusk]

VDH does a looooooooooooooot of M+ damage and utilty tho

[plush tendon]

Ive been on VDH hype train since the +2 seconds on demon spikes

[cerulean tusk]

Not even seen em after this round of buffs

they prob dancing in the moonlight

[small steeple]

Seriously, like they never even tried col at all. And only played pwar like 2 times on MT like week 1/2 of ptr

[plush tendon]

^ Col Prot War is slapping

it slaps right now

@limpid ruin you be doing big damage now

[cerulean tusk]

Slapping, sure - slapping hard enough to beat someone doing sameish dam and bringing AoE grips and silences?

Probably not

[plush tendon]

I mean, you can play aoe silence on prot war

[cerulean tusk]

That aint an AoE silenence

that is an AoE interupt

[plush tendon]

regardless, havnt they also been nerfing the # of casts

in season 2

in general

[cerulean tusk]

what casts you on about?

Ah ye, they made a lot of casts longer

[plush tendon]

idk, I just skim patch notes

[cerulean tusk]

still gotta be stopped tho

[woven radish]

This is the way, look at Bobas, Sense, etc

[plush tendon]

besides, silence sigil aint S3/S4 DF silence sigil

[cerulean tusk]

Same sigil, not the same CD

[plush tendon]

nice tool, but it aint 'I got this pack locked for 45 seconds"

yall just hang out

[cerulean tusk]

First set of sigils probably more than enough value, compared to warriors knockup

We shall see, doubt warrior will take the crown. And if we do, we will get nerfed. Still, we will be a lot more popular in PuGs if we pump big dam

[plush tendon]

naw, I dont think War is gonna be the meta choice