protection

[tribal wharf]

im not sure if col is the go to for keys now

[torn gulch]

thane has low damage but it's decent

[heavy sparrow]

How does one create logs for their dungeons?

[tribal wharf]

i think i thought clap got nerfed

and that clap was vital to thane

so thane dead

this is how i got to this

[sharp gale]

I think most people use other addons to automate that

[heavy sparrow]

Happy to know which ones

Kinda want to improve since it'sy first mythic+ season

[torn gulch]

warcraft logs companion is one

[tribal wharf]

hell, it could still be 50/50 or whatever col/thane for keys

[heavy sparrow]

Oh I have the log companion for desktop

@torn gulch

[tribal wharf]

was alot of debate i remember dmg vs survival

ya and i know we had lost dmg cuz of the 25% thing, and i think ppl was comparing col dmg to ppal dmg

so, thats how i come to the logic that thane might have been dead

[sharp gale]

Idk I do the old way /type the thing to log and /at the end of key

But It is so rare I log,

[vocal cave]

can you make it so you remain in visage form in combat as dracthyr?

[jagged pier]

yes

i spend all my time in visage form

[vocal cave]

how

[heavy sparrow]

Thanks for the tip. I have the log to search people who apply and all but don't actually know how to log my dungeons lol

[cunning oriole]

There is an add-on called Auto Combat Logger that will automatically start logging as soon as you enter the [customizable] type of instance you want to log (e.g. you want to log mythic+, but not raid or normal dungeons). Then you just open the Logs Companion and load the log files you want to see.

Then, once your log is uploaded, take the link to WowAnalyzer for some helpful hints to things you can work on. WA isn't perfect, but it does make the info more helpful to understand and make immediate improvements.

[heavy sparrow]

Holy hell this easy damn ty dude

[vocal cave]

this button must be the most unintuitive thing in wow

[pallid quiver]

I think Nome said WoW Analyzer isn't properly set up for our spec or something recently, as a heads up

Let me double check real fast and see if I'm putting lies out there

[ionic fern]

That's true.

[pallid quiver]

The information is correct if Mwahi says it is. He's more involved in thinking than I am by a good margin

Also hi Mwahi, I love ya

[shut summit]

mwahi

[ionic fern]

[urban portal]

It used to be good

I remember

Then it just got outdated

[cunning oriole]

Well, it'll still tell you if you didn't use a pot or CD on a fight, and pulls downtime straight from the logs. And I did say it isn't perfect, but for a new tank or Prot warrior, it's better to have some immediate feedback than nothing at all... especially if you haven't spent much time digging through comparative analytics from logs.

[tardy abyss]

Feedback from a dated api is not better than no feedback tbh

Because it could also tell you a lot of bs

And if you cant figure out yourself that you didnt use a pot or whatever then you might have other issues

[heavy sparrow]

sorry to bother you again

after logging with autocombat logger, from right clicking the map button on/off (after adding the dungeons into the settings) where can I find the logs after?

for AutoCombat Logger

[jagged gust]

I dont use it but have you tried /acl or /autocombatlogger or a similar derivative?

ohwait nvm, the logs would be stored in the wow directory

C:\Program Files (x86)\World of Warcraft\retail\Logs

[pallid quiver]

it's to the point it says you waste negative amounts of rage

#protection message

[dense remnant]

would you guys craft crit haste or haste vers on ring/cloak? for just general survivability in mind, idc really about the last little bit of dmg, considering this is just to survive the shit in new m+ dungeons before i know what hurts and then the gear is gonna get replaced soon

[jagged gust]

It's hard to define what's best, because once you get past the question: Do I live this hit? It's all relative.

[strong forum]

Crit/haste all the way for me

Getting 1% extra vers ain't gonna do fuckall for your surv

So might aswell get that 1% extra dmg

[jagged gust]

I'm haste/mastery because fury dps more important

[sharp gale]

im haste mastery too

little rusty but having a billion haste as fury isn't that bad

[small steeple]

I'm haste!

Also depends, on if you want/need more healing/bigger absorbs vers is better

[heavy sparrow]

Once I switched verse for Crit my survivability went way up

[strong forum]

Haste/crit cuz arms and prot dps is more important

[torn gulch]

Majority of damage in m+ is phys so crit gets higher value than vers but there are very similar stats in power

[strong forum]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/La6g1-Eosy7CS11xxlaGOIAxQJLKICfJ0l8F8_k_J9s/https/i.imgur.com/AVzCoRA.png

Pi'd shamans fucking who

[pallid quiver]

Nome skirting for his life in a pool of abusers of performance enhancing drugs

Literally can't even see the difference between 1st and 2nd place on that chart because not enough digits

[strong forum]

Yes you can

I'm 289

Alorani did 288

[pallid quiver]

Holy it is

I couldn't see that on my monitor with the font

I'm officially too old to be let out

[strong forum]

Aren't you younger than me

[pallid quiver]

Put me down, coach, I've led... well, not a good life, but a life

I'm past my prime at a stinky old 29

[strong forum]

Yeah, I'll hit a neck breaking 30 in a month

[pallid quiver]

barely older than me, since I'm 30 in 4 months

[strong forum]

The young'un trying to stay relevant

[pallid quiver]

Worst part is I've been effectively 40 since I was 16; had gray hairs sporting since way back then

[strong forum]

Zamn

[chilly brook]

I’m turning 29 in less than 2 days

It’s so over

[ruby musk]

If 29 is too old for warrior, I've been washed up for years

[merry sluice]

"let's try some keys on my warrior, I haven't played in a while"

druid: "I can't dispell poison shut up"
let's immediately regret doing that

[ruby musk]

https://tenor.com/view/math-hmm-processing-gif-10273186

[merry sluice]

he had improved cure talented too (can it evne not be talented?)

[round pendant]

1 month to go for me

[mighty valley]

shut the fuck up everyone I’m turning 40 this year

[cyan bronze]

Holy shit

Old as fuck

[cyan bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-man-walking-dead-man-walk-gif-10836495

[strong forum]

Old but sexy

What can I say

[cyan bronze]

Proof

[strong forum]

OnlyfansInstagram.com/nomeratur

[sharp gale]

Raw, next question

[mint knot]

Hey guys, new here. Been playing m+ on my prot war round 3k or so. Hopped on PTR to test the changes and I'm like meh. Is it just me or is this 4-set terrible for m+? Like what does shield charge even do in m+ other than gives us a free revenge, it barely accounts for 2-3% of my overall dmg. Am I missing something here?

[small steeple]

it gives shield block

[jagged gust]

But also yes, it's a hella mid set

[mint knot]

Right, nice opener and to help with SB uptime, I always put it on cooldown. I'm managing around 90% uptime on that already in S1.

But the 4-set bonus seems dog shit in m+, reducing the cooldown of shield charge, and it's only in single target. Like... huh? Does it get better if we talent all those shield charge nodes in the bottom left? Idk, a bit perplexed.

[small steeple]

Did you try col on ptr? I've heard that col actually feels better

[jagged gust]

ST? What?

But also yeah, drop ravager for the 2nd capstone

[small steeple]

or indom if you don't need the survivability

[jagged gust]

Don't give away the secret parse build D:

[small steeple]

got it. shhh

[mint knot]

Sadly no, I haven't really played colossus at all yet. This char started out as a for fun project. Wanted to get into tanking (never tanked before), a manly as fk tauren warrior with a spikey shield charging into big packs of mobs screaming and thunder clapping seemed fun. That was start of s1 and fell in love with it since, really enjoyed how mountain thane played thus far. Was told Col is not even close to thane in m+ but that was a long time ago. Will give colossus a try though!

[urban portal]

thane will never reach the damage that colo does

but thane is "safer"

[mint knot]

One thing that stood out to me is that we don't do well with bleeds? And god damn there are a lot of bleeds in these new dungeons on PTR.

[urban portal]

bdk just basically ignores bleeds

ppal is the 2nd

rest of the tanks are basically equal for bleeds

[small steeple]

except for dh. They can't be a dwarf

[mint knot]

https://tenor.com/view/dwarf-chad-chad-dwarf-gif-27635881

[cyan bronze]

lies!

[sharp gale]

Equal as if they can be dwarf

RIP bear and dh, they can’t be smol

One day I will be a gnome paladin

[cyan bronze]

1000000000% thane aura buff

[small steeple]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nkrz1yf8cpxW6RvY?fight=last

gaaah

why did it only log the first pull or so

again

[jagged gust]

did you check out what luerce said last time?

[small steeple]

loggerhead? Ino, but I made sure I was live logging the whole time. And it worked yesterday for my vdh

[jagged gust]

Must be a character specific option enabled somewhere

[small steeple]

oh man, if thats the case i wouldnt know where to start

[jagged gust]

now those are some well balanced stats

lucky 7s

[placid frigate]

Is there a vendor on Siren Isle to get gems for alts?

[small steeple]

get tehm on your main, put them into warband bank

[odd nimbus]

guys how much haste do we want for our mplus build to work with itf for shield block?

[sharp gale]

18-20k

And yes the ring is kinda annoying for that

[odd nimbus]

that's with flask and oil?

[mighty valley]

no, pre-buff

[odd nimbus]

jesus

so 18k should be fine huh?

[mighty valley]

there'll be gaps, sb won't be totally brainless

[sharp gale]

Try and see, it depends on your uptime, so specific on the dungeon and your route / pacing

[odd nimbus]

ravager vs BSV?

i know they fixed bsv

[mighty valley]

taking bsv will make you less powerful obviously but bsv is a safety net if you feel like it's needed

[sharp gale]

If I want bsv I drop ravager yes

[odd nimbus]

one thing else spear vs roar?

[sharp gale]

Crit or vers

[odd nimbus]

im stating into haste and vers

[sharp gale]

Crit is spear and vers is more toward roar if i remember

I would just sim personally

[odd nimbus]

im already spamming ignore pain i dont see how i can use the rage from spear

[sharp gale]

It gives so little rage, you don’t play it for the ressource

And you press it with the rest (so you have 10 or 20 more rage on the burst of rage you are getting already)

[odd nimbus]

interesting

thanks for all the information

gonna test these

[sharp gale]

But roar is kinda expensive to take

[odd nimbus]

strg vs crit there

you can drop the crit to take 5% stam

but you cant drop strg

[sharp gale]

What I would do if I was playing roar as thane (I play spear personally l)

[odd nimbus]

im playing this too

[unborn island]

Gonna give ITF a try for the end of season, I'm 17k unbuffed, so with the flask I'll be 20, hopefully that's enough and it'll give me big damage :).

[round pendant]

not enough haste

[unborn island]

I don't think there's any such thing

As enough haste

TBF it might be worth dropping Circe's for a ring with haste?

[livid meteor]

spear is also nice to have mob staying in one place while you gather some pack (so dps are not annoyed) 😄

[tardy abyss]

Nope

[unborn island]

Ahhh but I want to give ITF a try 🙂

Guess I can just kite and play around it

[tardy abyss]

You can also use the circe gem that gives you more of your most statted secondary

If you use that one already and still barely have enough Haste to run ITF then youre really lacking Haste

[hardy snow]

there is nothing wrong in trying it with 17k haste

It might be better to try out and practice on some lower content instead of pushing 16s or something tho

[ionic nimbus]

20k overall should work

Maybe just don’t spend SB brain dead like it’s possible with HR

But it’s definitely doable

[unborn island]

Ahah, good idea

Its weird, I'm 637, and have haste on pretty much every piece, and haste gems/enchants on rings etc

Just like the feeling of having tonnes of haste eh

[hardy snow]

its first tier of new expansion, stat budget always feels bad after last season of previous expansion

[ionic nimbus]

But since DF 1st tier feels much better than the expansions before. New talenttrees helped a lot

BfA und SL Season 1 were Nightmares

[lofty warren]

Dh best tank next patch confirmed yet?

[mild river]

I know their tier set is kinda bad.

[strong forum]

They're bugged rn

So they heavily overperform

[plush tendon]

top 6 tank for sure

[heavy sparrow]

When are servers back up

[mild river]

they are up rn

[heavy sparrow]

Sick

[urban bane]

I never feel more miserable than when playing vdh

[vocal cave]

dh is likely gonna be top m+ tank, and bottom raid (if tank dmg on raid is a thing)

unless havoc gets gutted

[heavy sparrow]

No mythic sac ):

[hardy snow]

bis for mount quest

[heavy sparrow]

Is that the stone vault mount

[small steeple]

most bugs are fixed now. Tier set was fixed after first week, and some bugs on live that give FS a lot of power have been fixed too. The only bug I am aware of right now from talking to @slim zinc and @topple from the fel hammer discord is for Aldrachi Reaver, which is wounded quarry still making souls, even though it should no longer do so.

[small steeple]

ehhhhh, with the new wounded quarry and once the bug for it is fixed, it will do a lot of single target damage, with a TON of funnel. In mythic plus, it is gonna be solid, but to call it the best right now is way too soon

[hardy snow]

yes, you must get q item from last boss in SV, then you get few quests to get trinkets, thats one of them

[cyan bronze]

a ton of them got fixed

wounded quarry is also a massive bug tho

[cyan bronze]

its dmg&survivability is nice,&easier to play for worse players; it isn’t an awful pick

but doesn’t provide sac&spellward& idk if it’s the best package of survivability+dmg atm

[slim zinc]

Wounded Quarry is the only bug remaining, but I think most people underestimate the impact of that single bug.

[cyan bronze]

that shit is fucked

the soul gen is

tbf it could literally go live, has realz said anything?

we had so many bugs this tier that just stayed

[slim zinc]

It has been reported, and it's possible it's just a version management issue on ptr

[cyan bronze]

that’s fair

[slim zinc]

So it's possible it will just Thanos snap on patch launch

[cyan bronze]

isn’t wq funnel portion also working tho?

or can that happen under blizz vc

that is some truly fucking awful vc if so

[slim zinc]

Yes, it's both versions applied at once

[cyan bronze]

blizz

[slim zinc]

Once it is fixed you lose ~30% of your souls in an instant

[cyan bronze]

yeah it’s fucked

[slim zinc]

It's fine though, Fel Scarred still fucks and is getting plenty tankier

[cyan bronze]

felscarred felt really really good on ptr

3 capstone build feels great on felscarred also

[urban bane]

ty for not fighting me when i said i hated playing vdh meyra ;o;

[slim zinc]

Only issue for Fel Scarred is that the price for LR is still very costly

[cyan bronze]

idt anyone who plays vdh a lot would be upset for not liking it

[cyan bronze]

idt that’s an issue

talent is kinda good for felscarred

[dusky canopy]

The only real problem with the other tanks is they’re not warrior

[cyan bronze]

was very fun to cheese it for big dmg on huge first pulls on ptr

[dusky canopy]

Ope

[cyan bronze]

like priory

[urban bane]

[cyan bronze]

colossus is also goated on ptr

[slim zinc]

Dropping DGB feels like ass though

[cyan bronze]

yea

[strong forum]

ye i know them quite well

[cyan bronze]

tbf

cheat is a cheese talent at this point with the setup

[slim zinc]

Idk I'm not planning on playing LR any time soon. DGB and new Cycle are life

[cyan bronze]

idt you should play it for safety net

[slim zinc]

Me and Nom are banner bros

[small steeple]

This tbh

[cyan bronze]

new cycle is also

kinda too goated

vdh tree is goated 11.1

[slim zinc]

Tank some keys for me this season and I'll give you Skyfury?

[small steeple]

you have a shaman???? Traitor? /j

[cyan bronze]

people are playing no brand spread again meyra

[slim zinc]

I play whatever I enjoy, usually they become meta later in the season

[cyan bronze]

why do people do these things

[small steeple]

It's valid in 11.1

[cyan bronze]

think it’s just a worse combination

[strong forum]

sounds like a plan

[slim zinc]

Viable, simpler to play, absolutely suboptimal

[slim zinc]

🤝

[cyan bronze]

you have to lose focused cleave also

[slim zinc]

As I said, absolutely suboptimal

[cyan bronze]

so fucking ass

[slim zinc]

But people like their zDPS handheld builds

[cyan bronze]

dif no spread

[slim zinc]

Is what it is

[cyan bronze]

let me dif no spread my shit

i swear if that shows up

[slim zinc]

Okay playing Cycle without Illuminated Sigils is a serious moment

[cyan bronze]

chains is also maybe a pickup you can do if you wanted

ig a lot of stops with cob(in a season where stops are still ass)

[slim zinc]

Yup, VDH build diversity is real now

[cyan bronze]

how far behind is flamebound now?

would you play it with dif?

[slim zinc]

The immo talent?

[cyan bronze]

ye

[slim zinc]

Still dead for Vengeance

[cyan bronze]

[tribal wharf]

i tried to play vdh i think thats the tank one

but it was villian arc really stupid yogi ego shit, so i quit that too

that was 9.x

cuz, DH has infinite more movement

and its not like you need to swim in constant +70% dr magic and phys

and i also enjoy monk tank in 9.x

more than 8.x this is, but about the same overall

probably really good to play a well geared DH

paladin is too many buttons for me and disllike druid

still want blessing of spellwarding to be holy paladin thing

[daring marlin]

prot owns

[tribal wharf]

protwar or protpal

[daring marlin]

where are we yogi

[tribal wharf]

i mean, legit, in wow it can apply to 2 classes

resto and holy i think also do that

[cyan bronze]

I wish we had that

[tribal wharf]

was a bit my point when long ago i was discussing the hero talents

like, its like, every weapon in doom is different and has different name

i dont get confused about, rockets the caco and bfg the mancubus

[distant flame]

I tried war mountane thane on ptr no enough rage generation any one has test, need some feedback plz

[jagged pier]

should have enough rage now

u just need to not over spend

which u are probably doing because u are used to it

[obsidian harness]

Is colossus still viable? That's what I was worried most about since it was already a fairly rage hungry spec

[jagged pier]

yes

[ionic fern]

Just did a key today..it was super chill as Thane.

[distant flame]

and in mythic key the stuff was limited to 629

[ionic fern]

I did a +10. 🤷

[distant flame]

today ?

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[distant flame]

i tried stuff was 629

[ionic fern]

Okay?

[distant flame]

gg for you

[tardy abyss]

Its not

The buff doesnt do anything

You actually do get scaled up

[distant flame]

in dongeon i was 18M hp and in key i was 11M

[tardy abyss]

My sham had 10M hp in a +10

[distant flame]

perhaps in +10 there is no debuff

i tried +6 and M0

[tardy abyss]

Could be

[ionic fern]

I had 16.3 . 🤷

[vocal cave]

are dinnars back on ptr yet?

[tardy abyss]

Not yet I think

[pallid quiver]

You probably won't see them on PTR, I'd wager, since from what I remember reading they didn't want them tied to the renown track at all for whatever they're gonna do with them

I wager they'll probably be tied to a feat of strength/achievement/etc or something along those lines

or like a number of boss kills or something

[jagged gust]

renown track just incentivizes abusing rep gain mechanics for an early advantage, probably attempting to negate the sweaty grind

[dusky canopy]

Unless the rep is specifically tied to boss kills then you can’t really exploit it

Unless they forget to make it once per week Kek

[mild river]

So do we have a final decision on hero talent for next mythic plus season? Colossus or Thane?

[jagged pier]

whatever u like

[strong forum]

My personal final decision is colossus

My guide and recommendation will look like the current one on wowhead except the inverse

I will slightly promote colossus more than thane, with thane remaining an entirely healthy option

But colossus will absolutely shit stomp thane offensively and barely be weaker defensively if not even superior in some cases

[heavy sparrow]

Found my new UI for next season prot

[strong forum]

Sir your car has not enough buttons

[round pendant]

March 4th season 2

Ugh

Seasons are too damn long

[strong forum]

I got freedom and democracy to entertain me

And mh:wilds on Feb 28th

[urban bane]

In Nome we trust. O Captain my Captain

[hardy snow]

11.2. ptr development notes - we feel that revenge for prot warrior is doing too much and it's overused compared to IP and shield slams therefore...

feedback - but it's just in colo, what about thane?
Blizz - what thane?

[tribal wharf]

i got alien shooting games

basically doom

not really

kinda? its like if doom was diablo, kinda

[hardy snow]

there must be something good tomorrow

[cyan bronze]

There won’t be

[hardy snow]

[jagged gust]

There will be

on your alt

[heavy sparrow]

You hell dive?

[strong forum]

Regularly

I stream it even!

[bleak breach]

So pumped for this

[round cliff]

how does my raid lead expect me to keep up when mh wilds at same time as 11.1

😔

[strong forum]

theres nothing to do until 4th march

you got a few days

[urban portal]

28th until march 4th

you get 4-5 days

then its off to keys prison

[zinc python]

I recognize that warrior will be less fast paced button pressing, but how much slower is it? I guess as far as a percentage or attacks per minute or whatever measure.

Not as bad as classic I'm hoping

[urban portal]

you'll still be gcd capped

[zinc python]

Great, thanks.

[urban portal]

i dont get how people play classic

you press 1 button every 5 seconds

[zinc python]

And throw in parry or misses. Not fun

[frozen berry]

Are the current tier lists even remotely accurate atm?

[urban portal]

prot is a top 6 tank rn

[round cliff]

as colo is there any amount of aoe where i should just ignore thunderclap

and mash revenge

[round pendant]

Have you tried it?

Go level with a buddy who's never played the game before

It's a fun time

the end game is shit compared to retail

but man the levelling experience is a whole thing unlike in retail

[jagged gust]

Sims say one thing, but juicy revenge crits say another

[mighty valley]

prot warrior was gcd capped in vanilla too tbf

[strong forum]

i played classic on launch

and lemme tell you

i have a clip that sums it up

perfectly

https://www.twitch.tv/nomeratur/clip/FairRespectfulDogSquadGoals

[mighty valley]

wow vanilla was magical when we were all extremely ignorant

personally can’t recapture that magic for me

[strong forum]

oh yeah like back in the day

for sure

gaming as a whole was different

mmos were new to 90%+ of us

pressing buttons in a game was entirely new

everything was new

[round pendant]

This is because warrior is dogshit against anything that isn't equal or lower level than you

[strong forum]

okay

[round pendant]

just cause of how accuracy works

it's fuckin dumb

[strong forum]

yeah correct

[round pendant]

but yeah that's why warrior is cheeks

[strong forum]

98% of classic mechanics are fucking dumb

compared to todays world

[round pendant]

disagree

but I respect your opinion

[strong forum]

hence why i quit

i aint about the 2cpm gameplay

i play vidya to press buttons

and classic aint buttons

[round pendant]

pretty simplistic view of vidya but fair enough

[strong forum]

dont need to be more complex than that

buttons feel good to press in wow, thats why i stuck around since 2007

[storm stone]

how exactly does block work is it 100% damage mitigation of blocked attacks?

or like 50%?

[vivid orchid]

the amount blocked is based on your block value vs. the content difficulty

but one can expect at least 40% up to 85% on a crit block

[chilly brook]

So if you're going to run BSV you drop rav and do you go roar? @strong forum

[charred ivy]

Did they fix the issues ppl were complaining about so it works well now?

[round pendant]

[cerulean tusk]

Yes and no, but currently the problems are as good as fixed. Now it is more a question of our performance vs others

[heavy sparrow]

what is generally better?

2 thread linings or 1 thread lining + double the efects of your other nerubian embellishment item, positive & negative

[unborn island]

Typically block ravager and keep spear. But you can take roar if you like.

[heavy sparrow]

ravager is good for dps and rage generation

but roar is great for higher keys and if you feel for the need to have a 2nd Challenging shout to get all adds on you with bleeds

[grand hill]

100% accurate 🙂

[queen musk]

So… are we more or less viable than we were in DF S4?

[cerulean tusk]

Probably less, I dont even remember that meme season tho

Wasnt that the DH fiesta?

[tardy abyss]

yes

[cerulean tusk]

Ye, it looking to be the same as that. So that

[round pendant]

as if prot warrior wasn't viable

[cerulean tusk]

We fine in a 10, dont worry. And with enough effort you can get title

[tardy abyss]

Nothing makes roar better than spear, the aggro you get from using it is irrelevant. Its only better in terms of damage if you dont have crit

[jagged pier]

almost like in every season

u can do title keys as any spec

[cerulean tusk]

Just need to pay enough and any dream is possible

[tardy abyss]

Like the chinese arms player?

[cerulean tusk]

I dont judge

[sweet summit]

to expand a bit on the earlier answer.
the amount of damage reduction from block is tied to your block value (only found on shields (and talents)) which is why shield is the biggest defensive prio slot.

it also depends on the K-value (set by blizzard) the content you're doing has (m+ uses m0 K-value so you get more DR in m+ compared to mythic raid for example) but this K-value isn't a pwar exclusive thing. it's used to calculate DR from armor too and prolly something else for tank specs i don't care about.

our mastery, critical block, is just double damage reduction on said block. up to a cap of 85% DR. i believe spell block does not have this upper cap.

all hits are separate rolls so if you crit block one attack you might not crit block the other even if they happen at basically the same time

block does not negate debuffs/bleeds etc. associated with the ability/attack blocked. that would be parry, which is increased by crit rating and strength rating.

hope this clears some things up

does it actually change each season or does each raid and difficulty have its own value that's set through the entire xpac. i might be spreading misinformation on the internet
I know the dungeon one change(d) each season but maybe it's different now with the rotating stuff?

[heavy sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/scientist-science-im-a-scientist-gif-14090115

I prefer spear than roar myself

[unborn island]

So, I started the season late and then had to miss a fair bit, I'm also not particularly good, and just pug so have capped out in 14s.

One thing I've really found is that a lot of the advice in here is super helpful when I get pugs with good/performant healers/DPS which allows you to play 'optimally' but some stuff like using double wall/BSV gives a very nice cushion for having to make up for uncertainty/pug variability.

What do you all reckon? Am I just bad?

[rancid tiger]

No, grps(,) can be bad

[sweet summit]

did you miss a comma or something

[rancid tiger]

The difference betweem cc and interrupt grps and ppl that dont do shit, s staggering

[round pendant]

[sharp gale]

Tbf I didn’t expect to see 5-6 arms warriors with title rio when I checked the Chinese

[heavy sparrow]

why is swarmlords/sacbrood 626 in preference over sikran/foul 639 again?

[ionic fern]

K-value changes over the expansion indeed.

[sweet summit]

okay good i'm not entirely cooked in the head yet

[tawdry perch]

Hello! Is there a optimal way on how to setup the ring for dps in m+, when playing with players you play a lot. I can find guides that tell best gems for any class, but cant find one that would tell optimal group ring setup 😅 thank you in advance!

[pallid quiver]

sim it

That's ultimately the optimal way, since it'll account for all the gear you specifically have

[jagged pier]

u cant do any shenanigans like with raid

so probably whatever sims highest for each person

most likely just the stat gems

[tawdry perch]

Okay, thanks. Was just wondering if the gem that has a chance to proc other players gems also would be handy somehow dps wise.

[dark barn]

And here we go again, yoda saying prot war is the worst tank, i know we shouldnt care about tier lists but the emotional damage is real.

[jagged pier]

why do u care what ppl say, when they dont know how to play the class

yodas a great player. but im yet to see him actually understand the class at a deep level

theres always going to be specs he does not play or understand as well as others

same for most streamers

and if they dont like it they dont give it any time at all

unfortunately that is prot warrior for 99% of tank streamers

[dark barn]

Thats sad

[jagged pier]

its just reality but ppl think streamers know everything which is just never the case

and mostly thier tier lists are build on preference

[cerulean tusk]

To be fair, his experience aside, what matters is not the placement. But the reasoning behind it.
I am sure it makes sense in context of whatever criteria he is using for his list

Did he still put BDK in S++ tier, tho?

[round pendant]

I mean just look at his guide

That'll tell you how much you should value his opinion on pwar

[cerulean tusk]

I feel Yoda get a lot of hate, for just putting warrior down on a tierlist. Guess I gotta google him up and check the tierlist

[jagged pier]

i dunno i still just remeber big tank influencers at the start of SLs rating prot warrior really low, but playing completely incorrectly in the section of gameplay they showed

which shows they just didnt really care to give it an honest try

[cerulean tusk]

I dont find his tierlist video, anyone got a link? All I find is one that is 2 weeks old

[jagged pier]

why are we outputing tier lists when tuning and ptr testing isnt even over yet

[cerulean tusk]

2 weeks left, no faith in blizz

[dark barn]

Seems like we pretty much done with the changes. Maybe something little but i dont hope so

[round pendant]

People don't "hate" yoda for his tier lists

lmao

[cerulean tusk]

That is a week old >:(

[round pendant]

nothing has changed in those 5 days

[dark barn]

Nothing changed after this in his opinion

Better screenshot

[jagged pier]

dont know how u can form opinions in like 1 day of the changes going live tho

[exotic orbit]

The S tier taking up half the specs makes the tiers itself a little wonky. A should be something special, right?

[dark barn]

He's ignoring the majority of the specs. Thats why S feels full

[cerulean tusk]

You underestimate the power of the gut-feel and need to push early content

[round pendant]

Idk what they would have to do to make pwar worse than brew and bdk

they completely fucked bdk (imo)

and brew is just a dead spec

[cerulean tusk]

Ye, BDK feels like trash. But it aint that bad in 10s

[round pendant]

bear is also kinda ass

[cerulean tusk]

So maybe tierlist is about 10s

I dunno the context that he bases his opinion on

[dark barn]

Brew is more useful and do more damage if played well

[round pendant]

well considering he doesn't state that, assume it's for the content he usually does

which are high keys

anything goes in 10s, no point in making a tier list for it

this is something the whole community needs to realise 😔

[cerulean tusk]

So he does 18-20 keys on the PTR?

[dark barn]

I think people will change their vision about 10s next season because this level of content will be basically free loot

[hardy snow]

Did he finally learn to not tank with the back as prot warr? 🤔

[jagged pier]

again

10s are going to be really hard for a majority of the player base

[cerulean tusk]

Ye, but that aint us

Just sayin'

Based on his videos, all I can say is, he likely will favor Ppally or VDH, as I cant see other content

A sprinkle of BDK and a monk video, no warrior

[sharp gale]

Not fitting in the comp

[dark barn]

Dont know about that. Without the -15s and the reduction of 30% in scaling i can see bad players doing it with a lot of deaths and mistakes. Maybe will be "hard" for the players who didnt even try.

[round pendant]

He doesn't like warrior cause he's bad at it 😔

[cerulean tusk]

Surely

[jagged pier]

brother all 8s which are basically new 10s is top 34%

of characters doing mythic +

10s right now

[cerulean tusk]

What was that monks name again that was in here, if you aint #1, you are noone

[jagged pier]

is top 20%

[round pendant]

20%?

I thought it was like 11%

last I checked

[round pendant]

but yeah people don't get this, if you're here in this discord you're overwhelmingly more likely to be an above average player

[sharp gale]

It’s funny I know him irl used to be #1

[round pendant]

that's strange

seems like more people did 10s this season

[sharp gale]

Season 4 DF

[round pendant]

what about 20s in S1 DF?

I guess TWW did kinda pop off

[sharp gale]

S1 DF

[round pendant]

I guess 10s are a little easier than 20s in previous seasons

so makes sense

damn I gotta start pushing instead of just playing for rewards/vault

[sharp gale]

Max reward was 18s

[round pendant]

oh yeah that too

@cerulean tusk his reasoning for putting brew and pwar as the worst is that they "need healing" lmao

[sharp gale]

Good argument when healer dps matter at his lvl

[round pendant]

Yeah it's fair enough

but 99% of the people listening to his opinion aren't playing at that level

[livid meteor]

Real reason is he can't play them well

[round pendant]

so they really shouldn't be like OMG PWAR DEAD???!?

[sharp gale]

He can’t make the tierlist without his top team comp high keys biais in mind

[round pendant]

idk man pwar does kinda need healing sometimes

[livid meteor]

Yoda doesn't have that much impact on the community as most player don't know these high end player anyway ahah

[round pendant]

not saying he should, just saying the viewers should be less silly and stop assuming it applies all the way down

[round pendant]

idk man, we had a wave of people coming in here asking about his guide having different advice than wowhead at one point

it was something

[sharp gale]

Most player don’t know him yes, but it’s a minority of players you interact with when you do m+

[pallid quiver]

Even on top of that, you don't have to have direct interaction with information to get the information indirectly

If you trust Bill in your friend group, and Bill listens to his friend who pushes +16s, and they watch Yoda to keep up with some of the top key pushers,

You're still gonna hear about that info

[sharp gale]

And I think tier lists are more of a general public thing (it’s clickbait), top ends players are not the target since they play themselves the ptr etc

[cerulean tusk]

Hold up... tierlists are made for... content?

No way...

I feel so betrayed

[sharp gale]

Im waiting Max tier lists

[sharp gale]

You can’t be betrayed if you gaslight yourself it has meaning, I raid with a more casual guild I saw automatik tier lists pop on their disc, they don’t talk English so I know they are taking it seriously

[lyric fern]

I play at a pretty casual level, KSH and 10s are my peak, haven't really had a desire to go higher.
I've tried almost every tank spec and prot warrior has felt really really good. Very tanky, solid damage, it's perfect for what I'm doing.
Those tier lists really only take into account very high push keys where tank self reliance is far more important. I don't take any of them seriously lol

[cerulean tusk]

God, you should try to do 12s instead of 10s. Saves you a ton of headache.
Also gives you a better feel of the tank you playing.

[lyric fern]

I pug mostly, and if how most of my 10s are anything to go by, I'm not sure how 12s will go. Most of the 10s I've done have had people in it that are my rating more often than not and people still make dumb mistakes, forget to press defensive, etc

[cerulean tusk]

It is weird, but the higher you go, the easier it becomes.
A 12 is half as tedious, as people know what to do

[sharp gale]

Idk I see 10s as the lvl you start to truly learn, so i forgive what i see when I vault fill

[lyric fern]

Yeah and it's not like we full wipe or anything in most instances. It's like death by a thousand cuts, people make mistakes and die for it, and the death counter slowly racks up. I've had runs go smoothly enough I felt we should time but a combination of a lot of random deaths and a lack of damage to make up for it ends up being the killer

[sharp gale]

8s-9s being the lvl things start to hurt but still not enough and fort = you don’t learn bosses, tyr = you don’t learn trash’s

The packs dying during mass stuns spam period of pugs

[round pendant]

Dorki said pwar is trash for m+

[lyric fern]

I dont take advice from talking cats

[cerulean tusk]

Ye, but that guy in my neighbours village, said it is not

so there

[livid meteor]

We can always find someone saying x is great and y is bad, as well as the opposite 😅

[cyan bronze]

He also said tanking this ptr cycle was really hard cus of no aug buff

in a pool of rather lower tank dmg than before

[cerulean tusk]

Just bring warrior DPS, problem solved

[round pendant]

imagine playing with augvokers

pathetic

[tribal wharf]

im not even hating on the IO score

but i literally know its just another term for ELO

same as chess, or online cards (casual games or like poker)

scale is always something along lines of 0 to 5000~

most players end up somewhere in the middle-ish

[cyan bronze]

Ok yogi

[tribal wharf]

its hard for me to un couple them

which makes it hard for me to play the game

i like games where you dont see the wizard of oz

[cyan bronze]

Why do you care

It’s just a number

Numbers don’t exist

[cerulean tusk]

Why would you not want a datapoint that is easily available? Rio is kinda just like CR, or a system with shown MMR. I fail to see how that is problematic?

[tribal wharf]

bunch of people were showing off the % for 20s and 15s

[cerulean tusk]

For the what now?

Oh, ye - we were discussing the distribution of players in the different brackets.

How is that something that makes it hard for you to play the game?

[tribal wharf]

i just feel like modern blizzard games shifted away from edgy/exciting and made visible the man controling the operation

makes it harder to jump the hurdles to get going again

[urban bane]

not exactly a surprise but after i saw dorki ranked us c-tier, i checked his vods and he played prot warrior 2 times (ie, 2 keys) in the past 20 days

very thorough research

[round pendant]

rio isn't mmr/elo

it's a score

nothing more

[torn gulch]

This is why you take these people s opinion with a grain of salt

[urban bane]

Of course haha it isnt the people here im concerned about for the most part

[torn gulch]

Play whatever you like and if you want title gravitate towards meta

If you want an easier time

[urban bane]

every tier that kind of garbage content just triggers me

i prolly should just avoid it

[torn gulch]

Yes

I remember seeing yoda say some pretty sus stuff showing that he did not really understood how prot war was working at a fundamental level

And he is one of the best m plus tanks in the game

You learn to ignore these things and just play the game

You can do up to title with realistically any spec in the game, same with mythic raiding

[pallid quiver]

nuh-uh

you have to meta or daddy blizzard bans you

[urban bane]

Yeah, you're right. And i dont really give a shit about trying for title or anything. It is just the arbitrary cheek of it which nonetheless has a normative impact, ya know?

[dusky canopy]

Aquire skill

Actually no

Aquire friends

[sharp gale]

Or acquire $ for boosts

[urban bane]

fuck

[dusky canopy]

[sharp gale]

And friends

[dusky canopy]

You can buy all 17s for title

Just need some skill

[sharp gale]

Ofc I don’t say they are garbage at playing

[dusky canopy]

It’s gotta be insanely priced to buy title

Like 8 digits in gold

[sharp gale]

I just see up until 15s, it’s 15 millions for all 15s but I think it’s less I guess they do a special package price

[dusky canopy]

Yeah I see the same 2.1m for a 15

You need like 17s I’m pretty sure to be safe

Idk though I’m just yapping about the topic

[dark barn]

i dont think there's a point to buy the title spending hundreds of dollars in gold, the entire point of the title is "i proved myself" IMO

[sharp gale]

They can also say I proved myself to others

If the others don’t find out

[dusky canopy]

Sadly alot of people don’t need to earn it

They just want to be able to “show off”

It’s an ego thing I guess

[sharp gale]

Too obnoxious to add good pugs in friendlist so they pay pug to m+

[magic monolith]

Can someone share ptr build for m+?

[torn gulch]

In europe you ll most likely need 4x17 and 4x16 for title

[torn gulch]

As far as I am aware a title package is around 30 to 40 million

And you have to play and have a certain level of skill especially if you are a tank or a healer

[urban bane]

try #protection message

[magic monolith]

thanks!

[dark barn]

this build needs more REVANCHE

[waxen frigate]

EU it’s about 35-40mil for a full title boost

Not sure about NA but presumably a bit less

[hardy snow]

lol, thats like ~2000€

[jagged pier]

you would be suprised how much gold ppl have in this game

there were multiple ppl that maxed out the warband bank on day one without all of their chars

there are ppl out there now with like 100+ like crafting tunes

and they make like millions a day

[plush tendon]

there are people that loan out gold to world first guilds

and get interest on it

like WTF is that shit

this aint the NASDAQ

[south zealot]

the tech is to have 4 wows on one monitor

scaled to howeever many monitors you have

[pallid quiver]

the tech is to bot

[plush tendon]

the tech is to get a real job

[south zealot]

have characters mass crafting, only need to restock mats and mail them to a toon to sell them on

[plush tendon]

and spend all your income on wow tokens

[south zealot]

yeah but like these guys have billions of gold

buying that many wow tokens is a pain in the ass

[pallid quiver]

There's people who have spent more on video games than it'd take to get that many tokens

[south zealot]

yeah for sure

any gacha mobile game

[pallid quiver]

But a non-zero amount of the people with that disgusting amount of gold got it via some real goblin behavior

[south zealot]

top players spend thousands a week

[pallid quiver]

Anywhere from multiple accounts, market manipulation, bug abuse, AH flipping, literally day jobbing WoW, and on an actual serious note, botting/automation

It can be hard sometimes once gold has been generated (it's gotta ultimately come from the game somehow in the first place) to get rid of it without impacting honest and legit players, too, which makes the economy very funny

[south zealot]

mission tables and world quests rewards put a metric fuck ton of gold into the game

ppl with a lot of characters/accounts just did that all day everyday for gold

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, absolutely WoD-Legion in particularly really cranked out the economy

I don't recall it being this wild back when like Pandaland was first out; there were absolutely still very rich people and goblins and all,

But there was just this sheer amount of gold in circulation, and it has not scaled proprotionally to the time the game's been up

There'll always be currency inflation in MMOs due to money having no cost of production and no ultimate backing other than time put in, but WoD/Legion timeframe with mission tables cracked it out

[waxen frigate]

entirely possible theyre in low income countries

and it's a viable career lmao

because of how shit paying their local stuff is

thats why in NA for example you see so many latam players doing gold carries

its way more expensive relatively speaking for them to just buy their subs

vs selling carries for a token

[exotic orbit]

This may be a little of topic but I'm usually tanking as bear. Nothing like the rest of you but I aim to get portals but rarely get all. I play with a few friends and guildruns but often pug at least a good part of the group and often all of it.

I used to have a Prot warrior main OG Cataclysm and loved it. Have been Mistweaver for a.long time and does well but would prefer to just tank.

I've been thinking of level up a warrior and gear him for season 2 and I like what I see from.vods and guides.

My concern is when I get a bad healer (there's quite a few going around at my key levels) and if warrior need more help staying alive than Bear/VDH which is my other tanks. Is that just my misconception or only for higher keys (will never challenge for high keys) or is it a thing I need to consider?

[vocal cave]

tank class doesnt matter for your goal, play what you enjoy the most

[tribal wharf]

what i said yesterday about tanks still stands true for me

vdh is i get ego, druid nah, brew, maybe, prot paladin too many buttons

bdk spam deathstrike

and boiling blood

im not good enough or dedicated to be healer, and dps too tough

[pallid quiver]

All the tanks are self-sustaining outside of specific tank mechs that demand attention or rare cases that specifically prey upon a given tank's specific weaknesses

If you're fine as a bear, in most cases assuming similar level play, you're fine as a Prot War

You do need to work for tank survival as all tank specs, but tank survival isn't what's raw gating top end keys atm

[waxen frigate]

warrior generally doesnt need much healing simply because warrior takes the least damage of any tank

by a pretty significant margin

so like sure if you're getting clobbered without shield block you wont have a good way to get yourself healed up

but like... you shouldn't be getting clobbered without shield block

[urban portal]

just wait for a boss that doesnt auto

and instead just casts rend on you over and over

[charred ivy]

any special packs i should defo use spell block in grim? 🙂

[jagged pier]

[small steeple]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/mythic-ptr-tank-tier-list

Man at least they didn't do C tier like dorki but damn the pwar hate

Done by people who didn't actual test it either right? I

[urban bane]

Ah, yes. Petko. Famous tank player.

Sounds like a pretty sick deal to get paid to just put out a rank order list based off of vibes.

[pallid quiver]

Honestly, that article is at least somewhat not in good faith, and here's why:

You can't label Leg Sweep as a utility option due to it being a stun

And completely ignoring Shockwave

As well as Storm Bolt and Int Shout among other things

[small steeple]

LMAO

[urban bane]

I noticed the same thing Luerce haha

In the other tanks petko lists their talented stuns (even if they aren't commonly taken)

[cyan bronze]

Petko is a fucking dumbass

He lists all of evoker utility under aug on his tierlists

And then all of Evoker negatives and none of evokers utility under dev

[pallid quiver]

I know nothing about the person, and I won't judge them based on that. I only judge based on what's in front of me. Even worse is that this is what people think when people say Prot War has not utility

[cyan bronze]

He is just literally the worst content creator on wow

[pallid quiver]

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy if you go out of your way to downplay its utility options that do exist just to say it doesn't have utility

[small steeple]

Never even heard of him before

[cyan bronze]

He makes most icy veins tier lists

And a lot of tierlists on wow

[small steeple]

Explains a lot. Tierlists in general are kinda bs

[cyan bronze]

Idk if he’s unknowingly this weirdly biased about video game classes or if it’s intentional

But like

It’s really bad

[pallid quiver]

I know for a fact that he at least isn't the only one making this specific utility comparison in regards to Prot War

So that's about all I'm addressing at the immediate moment

[cyan bronze]

He has specs he likes and he lists every piece of random util under them to make them sound crazy

And then specs he dislikes/doesn’t know

[urban portal]

yeah

thats normal

[cyan bronze]

and just doesn’t list anything they have

lying by omission

[small steeple]

lol darkness listed as core to vdh? Most vdh don't even take it

[urban bane]

It is just garbage "research" -- pretty typical of tier lists and why they annoy me so much

[cyan bronze]

I tried to address some of it on one of his videos

and he dropped an essay flaming me and calling me low io and stupid

so I really cannot stand him

[urban bane]

These are also the people who often talk about issues of "community perception" when they also are the ones doing this shit haha

[urban portal]

opposite in league of legends

"my character is underpowered and yours is overloaded"

lmao

[cyan bronze]

dude he listed fucking hibernate

under bear util

but didn’t even give us 25/20sec shockwave

or intervene

[pallid quiver]

tbf intervene utility is so situational it's generally pretty okay to consider it poo poo

[cyan bronze]

hibernate

LOL

b+ is below b

jfc

[urban portal]

intervene is fake utility yeah

1 mech per dungeon you can cheese at most

[ionic fern]

Calm your pants. Brought it up.

[urban portal]

and thats being generous tbh

[cyan bronze]

more than hibernate

[urban portal]

more like 1 per season

[urban bane]

the fixate in motherlode though

[urban portal]

does hiberante work on humanoids

or no

if it does then it def has more util

[cyan bronze]

beasts and dragon kin only

[urban portal]

oh thats useless

[cyan bronze]

this list is so bad why even release it

[urban bane]

thanks mwahi ;-;

[urban portal]

does it work on furries

[cyan bronze]

b+ isn’t even higher than b

[hushed harbor]

Dorki called us unplayable in some of the dungeons . That one stung.

[cyan bronze]

[urban bane]

forgor that you are with icy veins!

[urban bane]

For context

He played prot warrior in 2 keys in the past 20 days.

Like

[cyan bronze]

Dorki has been missing so much with his takes this ptr cycle

like above average

he’s also only tried thane iirc

he said tanking this ptr cycle was extra hard cuz no evoke buff

[hushed harbor]

This is helpful thank you

[cyan bronze]

this was before that was applied

[urban bane]

He's basing this off of a motherlode which, granted, that propulsion boss did kinda trucks but he wasn't exactly using CDs well (as usual)

[cyan bronze]

(he had Evoker buff)

also tanking this ptr cycle has been called rather easy by like

everyone else

so idk

[urban bane]

yea

[spring cedar]

also, Icy Veins kekw

[urban bane]

He was also whining about rage and wasn't playing ravager and bro it is like

[pallid quiver]

Mwahi is the guide writer on Icy Veins

And we love Mwahi

[cyan bronze]

icy veins is fine

[urban bane]

We stan mwahi

<3

[cyan bronze]

petko is questionable all the time

[pallid quiver]

I challenge you to a duel to the death for Mwahi's honor.

[spring cedar]

legit never use Icy Veins

one step above Noxxic

[cyan bronze]

I’m p sure petko tierlists brings down icy veins reputation

by a lot

[urban bane]

noxxic still exists?

[spring cedar]

think so

[cyan bronze]

icy veins is very hit or miss tho

it’s either the same or better than wowhead

or just weird af and outdated

but psure wowhead is the same way

[pallid quiver]

Thanks, Mwahi. I was hoping it wouldn't be as violent of a conversation as it turned out to be, but I do appreciate the mis-match being brought up

[ionic fern]

It's good that such things are brought up. Some things get overlooked from time to time,but notes like these help with improvements.

Hopefully it'll get sorted soon.

[spring cedar]

[small steeple]

Meyra and vdh is great from Icy veins

[cyan bronze]

Yep

Meyra is a king

👑

[urban bane]

💕

[near pewter]

Anyone know if there is a browser based version of MDT? and anychance it is updated for Season 2?

[cyan bronze]

threechest

[ionic fern]

https://keystone.guru/routes/tww/season/1

[maiden ravine]

20% damage boost

actually, dps boost to ALL tanks

[bleak breach]

Sheesh

[flat wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/are-we-back-kang-gaming-are-we-back-in-have-we-come-back-gif-22614071

[maiden ravine]

nah, protadin got a 15% damage buff

[vestal moat]

brew only got 15 also lol

[ionic fern]

[deep steppe]

🙏 Blessed Mwahi

[urban bane]

Based Mwahi

[dusky canopy]

Classic Mwahi W

[ionic fern]

Thank you guys for bringing it up in the first place.

[dark barn]

dorki today: "warrior is unplayable in some dungeons"

[pallid quiver]

i can't use my emotes

pain

but yay for change

I understand that cba behind not wanting to add the notes to a preemptive PTR tier list

[idle copper]

Why unplayable?

[bleak breach]

Why is that? What changed that dramatically?

[ember token]

Probably similar to what other 'warrior streamer did' playing Colossus with UF etc 😉

In short "I'm not up-to-date with the spec"

[hardy snow]

https://tenor.com/view/frankly-thats-a-skill-issue-hazzikostas-ion-ion-hazzikostas-skill-issue-gif-21595688

[heavy temple]

link or didnt happen

[dark barn]

https://youtu.be/QDwFhvpf9_g

[bleak breach]

Just feels like with the reversions and some changes, I.e cd reductions etc were not really much worse off survivability wise?

I played a random colossus build on ptr and had no survivability issues

[lofty warren]

New tier lost just dropped

[tribal wharf]

huh

is it still possible to earn KSM

or is that done

[dark barn]

no thane buff will stop me for playing colossus

[tribal wharf]

like, very technically, i could log in and do it

but ya

[bleak breach]

I believe it’s possible until 11.1

[tribal wharf]

last keystone i played was i was doing SV 10 or some shit

and i pointed the cannon at the group cuz they just sitting on the vent, not like i tried to do it, but like, the whole rest of the room and around me is on fire so wtf?

[torn gulch]

we re earning KSm day one kekw

keystone legend week one

[tribal wharf]

cuz its like, well, do you have him on the vent, and then shoot out to clear, or have you stand 1 position and then the party also stands on the vent but far enough not to get hit by the blast

[maiden ravine]

I believe you can still earn rating until Season 2 starts.

[tribal wharf]

well, is the window closed for the season

[maiden ravine]

Only thing that ends with patch right away is m+ titles.

[tribal wharf]

i hate that damn boss and dungeon,

2nd boss is a huge pain too, have to not insta nuke the adds

goes agianst all dps intution

[bleak breach]

You’ll play thane and you’ll enjoy it

[tribal wharf]

i quit at 1700

[bleak breach]

Just do 8s I think it is for KSM

[tribal wharf]

oh god dawn breaker

he broke me alright that first boss

dont like that boss

[bleak breach]

Yeah that’s the group killer but once you have it worked out it’s a cheese dungeon

[tribal wharf]

the boss is the tank destroyer

[bleak breach]

COT and GB are the main dramas

[tribal wharf]

i got the hard ones out of the way really in a sense

almost expert on city now, almost not quite

i think i tried to do that a bunch of times on 10 and it went wrong for dumb reasons

[torn gulch]

7's are enough

you need 5 7's easy peasy

[tardy abyss]

Why would it not be possible

[torn gulch]

next season it looks like only 2 bosses will be puggable on mythic

[tardy abyss]

KSM is a really low bar once you have decent gear

[torn gulch]

but they have great gear

for us

[hardy snow]

4th boss have good gear, like all of it is usable

unless pugs will be doing Rever as 2nd

[torn gulch]

you're not pugging that

[tardy abyss]

3rd is prob more puggable than 4th tbh

[torn gulch]

from third boss onwars it looks way too complicated for pugs

majority of pugs that do mythic will prob do the geargrinders and carnage

at least from what i've seen on testing

the gear on first boss is huge three crit/haste pieces

[tardy abyss]

After RWF there will be enough tuning for other bosses to be puggable

[torn gulch]

I won't mind if let's say first 4 are puggable again but at the moment only 2 look puggable

[small steeple]

Pwar damage stonks now? (Col of course)

[cyan bronze]

how much damage is colossus doing now

hoily

[vocal cave]

20% buff for bear is topkek xd

this thing does no damage if not catweaving

[urban bane]

[torn gulch]

damn gear scaling is broken on ptr I have 692 ilvl 24 million hp unbuffed going to 32 with last stand

welcome to 11.2

[vestal moat]

Is demolish buffed for prot too today or just arms

[small steeple]

hero tree buffed, so both

[torn gulch]

yes based on datamining looks like demolish was buffed for both

damn colossus looks juicy hopefully it will hold defensively for decent keys

damage looks giga

[small steeple]

gaah I can't decide if I will start the season maining pwar or vdh, or even bdk

[keen leaf]

havent been here in awhile, is s2 prot still doom and gloom?

[small steeple]

nah

[jagged gust]

2 steps back 1 step forward kinda deal

[small steeple]

then 1 sidestep over to col from MT

[jagged gust]

It's the shield slam shimmy

[small steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-gif-21393998

[torn gulch]

the fact that dh got the same dmg buff as us and bear is funny they are doing cracking damage

[heavy temple]

and where does it say unplayable. Literally says all tanks are very close.

[strong needle]

Weekly, we back up check?

[bleak breach]

We always back

[livid meteor]

they even got more than other tank, with the other buff :p

[livid meteor]

Yeah he just said that some ennemies from the S2 dungeons are bad for prot warrior in its ptr experience (like heavy bleed/rot damage). And people assume protwar is doomed ahah

[bleak breach]

Prot war with tier in keys will have big uptime on cds and good rage gen still

We will be fine

When I was on ptr the other day on colossus it felt like I could just spam revenge all day without hitting anything else and still close to rage cap

[dark barn]

https://youtu.be/QDwFhvpf9_g?t=311

[torn gulch]

there is actually a lot of bleed damage in next season m+
some of it avoidable

dwarf stonks

evoker stonks

[dark barn]

every single season blizzard tries to make me give up being tall

[sharp gale]

It’s all 6s and some 7s

If it’s the 2k thing

[heavy sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/caillou-gif-18368511

WARRIOR
Arms
Mortal Strike damage increased by 20%.
Overpower damage increased by 20%.
Execute damage increased by 20%.
Slam damage increased by 20%.
Whirlwind damage increased by 40%.
Colossus
All Demolish damage increased by 30%.
Practiced Strikes increases Mortal Strike and Cleave damage by 20% (was 15%).
Arterial Bleed increases Rend and Deep Wounds damage by 5% per stack of Colossal Might (was 3%).
Slayer
Opportunist increases the damage and critical strike damage of your next Overpower by 25% (was 20%).
Fury
Whirlwind damage increased by 30%.
Onslaught damage increased by 30%.
Mountain Thane
Thunder Blast damage increased by 25%.
Strength of the Mountain increases Bloodthirst and Rampage damage by 25% (was 30%).
Protection
All ability damage increased by 20%.
Developers’ notes: We have noticed damage dealt by tanks has not been keeping pace with damage dealers, we are adjusting damage of all tank specs to bring them into a closer alignment with DPS specs.
Mountain Thane
Thunder Blast damage increased by 10%.

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-11-1-ptr-class-tuning-development-notes-for-february-12th-all-tank-damage-370270

[cyan bronze]

why did you copy and paste the entire thing here man

[small steeple]

like, it was already put into #updates-midnight

[urban portal]

He’s on Internet explorer

We’ll get a couple more of these as the EU folks wake up

[urban bane]

[heavy sparrow]

Lmao

[desert garden]

do we ever use fueled by violence?

[bleak breach]

Not really, although I am going to try it with colossus and damage buffs

Could hold reasonable value with the lower rage gen meaning we likely have ip up less and brutal vitality only adds to existing ip

[small steeple]

violent outburst cast IP so it will so be up as much as you can

[round pendant]

20% buff to all damage is not enough

😔

[young gyro]

Sadly its not worth it even as Colossus. And poor Colossus warriors are gettin double nerfed by the Colossal Might nerf on top of the rage nerfs for prot.

Blizzard really didnt think that out

[bleak breach]

What colossal might nerf? Did I miss it?

[urban bane]

execute no longer stacks cm

[mighty valley]

colossus is still overall winning with the other buffs

[urban bane]

yeah legit it is gonna be a powerhouse

the Revenge arc goes strong

[young gyro]

Execute no longer gives it stacks. Taking it to about 70 seconds to get full stacks unless its a AoE group. It really dont feel like a good change. Blizzards excuse was that Warriors were only using Execute and not big DPS cooldowns... So naturally the logical thing to do was nerf a big DPS cooldown. Clearly.

[bleak breach]

Hmmm didn’t notice that

So just makes colossus a bit weaker in ST then?

[young gyro]

Yep on top of the rage starvation.

[iron sphinx]

i really do think that blizzard just throws a dart at a dartboard when making these changes

[young gyro]

So its going to be a rough S2 for Colossus Prot

[iron sphinx]

s1 was already rough and now its even worse

but hey atleast you get cool new animation

[young gyro]

Thank god the last patch changed it off the stupid ghost weapons

We are warriors not DKs or Loladins we dont see magic weapons to crush our foes

[bleak breach]

No, Colossus is the better spec. While that change isn’t great, there have been some for the better with all the revenge changes plus the way strategist works with devastator.

[iron sphinx]

but how do you generate rage now if u dont go MT

[onyx vessel]

Ss

You still hit thunderclap

[small steeple]

and always use violent outburst on SS

[pallid quiver]

Instigate got a slight buff, we've got extra SS coming from Devastator being buffed (at the cost of 5% to GCD abilities resetting), and Colo doesn't lose the 3 rage from Imp Wall like Thane does (Colo gets a baseline +3 rage in its hero tree, which effectively makes up for the loss of rage from Imp Wall)

On top of that, there's also tier set to factor in, which means you get more casts of Shield Charge out with a combination of the higher secondaries available S2 + Crit Chance on SS from the tier set

Which slightly helps offset the loss of Execute giving stacks

Thane will probably be more tanky in the end, but

Colo's gonna be doing more damage in most situations

[ionic nimbus]

When you are insecure about the new dungeons, play thane (playstyle is more forgiving in case of survivalbility) and swap to colossus when you are safer in cd management.

[brittle pike]

What gems should I be using in my siren ring? Getting mixed messages from the wowhead guide cheat sheet says one thing the bis page says something different

[onyx vessel]

Prot isn't a forgiving spec for the most part

[bleak breach]

Revenge helps generate a lot of rage in colossus with how much you use it and how much rage it refunds.

[bleak breach]

They wanted to fix that but made it worse

[vale escarp]

Whatever Sims best for you

[ionic nimbus]

Really depends on what you want, defensive, pure dmg, statstick…

[cyan bronze]

colossus has higher uptime on sw fwiw

cus it can run io

[stray knoll]

TY gr8 advice.