the rest of the dungeon is can i avoid stuff and can my pc survive the fps drop ghosts final boss
#protection
tribal wharf
small steeple
the reflects in nokhud
that was dfs1 right? I played bdk that season
and a lil vdh
urban bane
Ya, s1 and s4
small steeple
ah another season i didn't play
limpid ruin
I should like it less than I do but the first pull into boss was so much fun
plush tendon
I should like it less than I do but the first pull into boss was so much fun
any pull with trash on boss, instant banger
imo
small steeple
Just like 3rd boss on freehold back in the day
limpid ruin
Ya but that was a big pull into 3 bosses! Thats like 38% better than normal
small steeple
lol
jagged gust
can you cancel demo with a macro?
harsh trellis
can you cancel demo with a macro?
what do you want to cancel?
jagged gust
demolish
Pressed it at the wrong time and got ate by the trash near arakara last boss 😦
but idk if it's actually considered a channel and whether or not we can cancelaura it
dusky canopy
You can leap out of it iirc
violet ginkgo
🫡
toxic pewter
Even simply jumping during demolish cancels it
sweet summit
secret chinese colossus tech
blissful nexus
hey guys, quick question: what talent/spell do prot pals use at queen ansurekt, to remove roots?
vocal cave
freedom?
blissful nexus
nah, not an external
vocal cave
it is freedom
torn gulch
Isn't t there a talent that makes it an external as well as on the pally?
urban portal
Yeah
blissful nexus
yy sure, but my guidl told me that the prot war can do it on his own. with leap/chrage/whatever...
and i cant find a taltent for it
urban portal
Avatar can remove roots
tardy abyss
charge only works with slayer
urban portal
For war
blissful nexus
y sure, but not every root no?
vocal cave
spell reflect
blissful nexus
charge only works with slayer
AH, that could be. thank you!
vocal cave
you spell reflect the root there
blissful nexus
if there is a talent on slayer it makes sense
vocal cave
but you asked for prot pally
torn gulch
Yea you asked for prot paladin
Unless you meant pals as prot warrior comrades in this discord
blissful nexus
Yea you asked for prot paladin
oh sorry yeah my bad. i meant prot war for sure 😄
but its spell reflect, thats the answer for it. thank you!
jagged pier
Spell reflect
tribal wharf
if i become a trillionaire
every last one of you fuckers is getting arcade installed side of your house
like it or not
bunch of arcade machines
bunch of pacman and xmen tmnt roadrash type games
please for love of all that is good, trust the wizard prophecy for the TOP teleporters thing
last time i was there, was horrible again 😦 like always
cyan bronze
last time i was there, was horrible again 😦 like always
Wdym I love getting top
novel temple
Or gear I already have
novel temple
bunch of pacman and xmen tmnt roadrash type games
Honestly, someone should make an arcade machine that just has all the games on one machine
tribal wharf
im telling you now in the nicest possible terms
its bad
the way it was in shadowlands was attrocious
pallid quiver
Honestly, someone should make an arcade machine that just has all the games on o...
I've got news for you buddy
tribal wharf
how about, as you land at a portal, you your self, or the team has to click to unlock it like the last mega we had with time
something close to that or a map
pallid quiver
unless you want some of those jp games that tequire nesica cards and what-not
novel temple
I've got news for you buddy
Yeah, emulators and what not
tribal wharf
that as you do the platforms, you unlock parts of a small map that opens when you go to first tp
pallid quiver
every last one of you fuckers is getting arcade installed side of your house
Speaking of which, we got some of the like modern JP arcade games on there or just western classics?
tribal wharf
i suck at it still but im trying to learn kessen 1 very intensive army game about ancient china wars
sekighara
its awesome but the 2nd game is really a departure and it turns into full on anime DBZ shit
first one is okay since its just arrows and horse back men and rifles/cannons
tribal wharf
Honestly, someone should make an arcade machine that just has all the games on o...
real talk, look up something called the MISTER
it costs 500USD for just the unit alone, this is about the good version, the pro version, FPGA i think its called.
but it plays basically the everything
chilly brook
yy sure, but my guidl told me that the prot war can do it on his own. with leap/...
reflect my guy
spell reflect every root
rose karma
Anyone test out the PTR lately. How's the feel of prot now.
ionic fern
A lot better than initially.
rose karma
That's good to hear. I don't plan on swapping but the changes definitely seem like a buzz kill
strong forum
its all better now
we're almost back to square 1 except we got some dmg buffs and IP is 30% bigger
rose karma
So what's the pull look like now to get IP running? Is it still sw on pull?
pallid quiver
his uncle who works at blizzard told him so
rose karma
his uncle who works at blizzard told him so
He is a reliable uncle.
lilac jetty
anyone have any recommended addons or WA's for tracking threat?
strong forum
coloured nameplates
small steeple
Apparently it is.
Really? source?
lilac jetty
coloured nameplates
Yeah i do use those, but was looking for something with more info. Maybe something that plays a sound when the nameplate would change color would be good. I tried omen threat meter but it does not look good imo and the options panel was not opening at all for me - may be user error though.
chilly brook
Yeah i do use those, but was looking for something with more info. Maybe somethi...
just press buttons idk
aggro shouldn't be a major concern
lilac jetty
i mean most of the time it isnt but if i pull aggro off my cotank at the wrong time i just die, so looking for better way to make sure that doesnt happen
small steeple
i mean most of the time it isnt but if i pull aggro off my cotank at the wrong t...
tell youtr cotank to actually do damage
harsh trellis
Yeah i do use those, but was looking for something with more info. Maybe somethi...
Download quazii plater. Plates turn purple when you have aggro
No need for more information you should have aggro with a thunderclap and a revenge
small steeple
or Jundie's plater. I prefer it much more
lilac jetty
No need for more information you should have aggro with a thunderclap and a reve...
I mean for tracking threat of cotank in raid, not threat in m+, thank you though.
harsh trellis
I mean for tracking threat of cotank in raid, not threat in m+, thank you though...
Omen
Or details
lilac jetty
ill try details, thanks
small steeple
I mean for tracking threat of cotank in raid, not threat in m+, thank you though...
I mean, your co-tank shouldn't have issues holding agro from you, they might not be doing enough damage/damage rotation right
harsh trellis
My co tank bud is a dk. As thane. No issues.. if I go full colossus nerd rage I can rip aggro.
small steeple
I main dk, dk does great single target damage when played well
lilac jetty
I mean, your co-tank shouldn't have issues holding agro from you, they might not...
most of the time he doesnt. theres 1 spot on queen 10 seconds into the fight after the 1st tank combo where I sometimes pull aggro, but am kind of assuming its because pwar gets a lot of burst damage out before bdk gets their damage/threat going.
harsh trellis
Oh ok that
You need to just let him taunt and just run out ahead and back off some
Just a second or 2
I know what you're referring to
If you're starting... (I usually start) I know that first taunt struggle if you're going ham
lilac jetty
yeah, definitely better to hold some globals then pull threat, i was just asking for a better way to track it then just waiting for the nameplate to change color (which im sure is still fine either way). thanks for the details suggestion
harsh trellis
I usually just go off to the side and wait for my puddle
lilac jetty
Yeah i start, so i take the liquefy, and if i pull aggro with it im just dead to a melee
harsh trellis
Yeah so you take liquify and they taunt. Just lay back some
urban portal
then just get the first taunt
if your co tank is ripping after about 30 seconds into the pull then hes just not playing the game
vocal cave
and if dk is taking liquify he need to pop defensives in his setup too
plush tendon
Im assuming this is for queen prog
we tried both DK taking liquidfy and War taking feast and vice versa; we found that DK taking Feast and War taking liquidfy was better
tardy abyss
That sounds lowkey wrong
lilac jetty
yea queen, but still happens on reclear. And yea warrior takes basically no damage from liquefy with spell block
plush tendon
also, you shouldnt be pulling aggro
we had the opposite problem for a bit...
when I was taking liquidfy (I play BDK in raid)
lilac jetty
also, you shouldnt be pulling aggro
wdym
plush tendon
what I said
you shouldnt be able to pull aggro off your co-tank
unless they are playing their rotation wrong
vocal cave
I can easily see dh or war pulling aggro off dk on pull
small steeple
unless they are playing their rotation wrong
exactly
vocal cave
30 sec into the fight not likely tho
lilac jetty
its 10-15 sec into the fight
plush tendon
I can easily see dh or war pulling aggro off dk on pull
on pull sure
but 10 seconds in, no way
small steeple
bdk sholdn't be playing DB in raid rn, and drw should be enough to establish threat
unless you really need the extra survivability
plush tendon
DB is perfectly fine in raid
strong forum
yeah prot will be alright
natty execute crit 4.8mil without juggernaut
6.8mil shield slam crit
glacial skiff
are they planning to address AM/Indom, or has the last set of changes addressed rage issues enough for neither to be of any concern?
strong forum
doubt it
glacial skiff
has the changes helped our rage gen enough for it to not matter then? i haven't kept up with the changes too much bc i feel like they're just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks
strong forum
its not perfect but its pretty good
strong forum
yes for damage
round cliff
well yea but i mean
colo exe build no 100% uptime
i wanna let it rest a bit so i have enough uptime for big man
yea?
not overcap charges obvi
strong forum
sure
hardy snow
i dont need shield block up when tanking council caster right
you need it if you use spell block
hardy snow
Colo have some additional SW cdr?
strong forum
we play immovable object
aka SW procs Avatar and Avatar Procs SW
- tierset procs
with that you can also have avatar for every single demolish
:)
hardy snow
tier still doesnt proc avatar via IO? 
strong forum
ofc not
small steeple
I just did my first 10 as col, and there were times were I didn't have enough rage for sb or ip. cane someone review the log to help me?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BvFgjAG9hJP6fxQH?fight=last
errant oriole
so next season if we run immovable object wouldn't that be less rage with colossus even though get extra DR or am I being dumb?
mighty valley
sure it’s less rage but not a ton less
the other option gives you a few more casts of tc for 5 more rage each
plus we’ll be casting avatar slightly less often with the overall rage decrease
errant oriole
true true ok makes sense
strong forum
no other option in the 3rd gate gives as much value to colossus as IO does
UF does barely anything as colossus
and Spear/Roar without extra talents doesnt do great either
placid frigate
How's Prot War looking compared to Brew next season?
ionic nimbus
How's Prot War looking compared to Brew next season?
Raid or M+?
placid frigate
M+
cerulean tusk
No clue about brew, so can't compare them. But warr as is, do look quite strong.
If tanks struggle to live and interrupt spam isn't needed, then war will likely be up there if not at the top
ionic nimbus
Warri will always have the same problems in m+, we r not giving that much to the group
We r literally tanks, that can survive a lot (except of bleeds, fml). But there are few reasons to take the warrior
Monk has some cool things like ring, but you will see a lot MW next season. So BM won’t be favored as well. But Monk can really go Nuts DPS-wise
jagged pier
4-5 stops a party buff and a party cd is quite a lot
monk has 4 stops including ring
and no party cd
its buff is also slightly worse than ours arguably
chilly brook
Warri will always have the same problems in m+, we r not giving that much to the...
No one really gives a shit about what perceived benefits your tank class brings. They care about what people tell them is meta. Paladin has always had what it has in the m+ scene and yet it’s only been “meta” a handful of times.
The tank that lives and does the most damage is the king. There’s only been like two times in what I can remember where that hasn’t dictated the meta.
- legion bdk
- DF DH
jagged pier
Well or provides stupid stuff
Like dh in df where no one else had to inturpt
It also did do damage yes
But dont forgor the best other specs were all magic too so thats just a flat 5% more damage just having a dh
Its sometimes it enables more damage, if dh wasnt top damage in df it would probably still be olayed tbh
ionic nimbus
Tbh pala is not meta of it’s dmg, it’s meta cause it can handle discs weak spots
Out of Wings Pala DPS is not outstanding
Tank dps only matters when top teams are reaching their borders, pala was meta months before it’s DPS would decide to time keys
chilly brook
Well or provides stupid stuff
Hence why I said “only two times where those two categories hasn’t dictated meta”
chilly brook
Tbh pala is not meta of it’s dmg, it’s meta cause it can handle discs weak spots
????
It was meta before disc
It also does/did head and shoulders more damage than every other tank
It also just lives pulls that other tanks can’t
dense remnant
And disc covers the rest of the weakness of the spec
sweet summit
and brings more damage than other healers
when you don't need your healer to bring lust
lofty warren
dang bottom tier next patch
cerulean tusk
random tierlists are best tierlists
jagged pier
random tier lists from ppl that dont know the spec and probably havent tested since the first iteration because theyve just been pushing keys on ptr with the 'meta' specs
cyan bronze
The tank that lives and does the most damage is the king. There’s only been like...
dh was also rather high on dmg tho
and was I think the tankiest?
chilly brook
dh was also rather high on dmg tho
It was also unprecedentedly broken
You literally didn’t need a group
dusk sphinx
pack it up, prot warrior scuffed
ionic nimbus
Dont Play warrior to be Meta 🙂 Play warrior because zugzug is great
cerulean tusk
zugzug
urban bane
wow the guy who says he does not like playing prot warrior rates us low who could have seen this coming
pallid quiver
guzguz?
sharp gale
pala became meta before disc no?
I just remember pala heal becoming a thing in Dazar Alor when glimmer became a thing before, I almost never saw a pala heal in m+
But it still became meta before disc bc bfa disc was a raid healer
sweet summit
I just remember pala heal becoming a thing in Dazar Alor when glimmer became a t...
sure, but the conversation was around prot pala, not holy pala
and also just s1 tww
sweet summit
sharp gale
For s1 I still laugh for the dudes who rerolled bdk the first weeks just by following raider io stats
sweet summit
don't think i did a single +10 or above in s1 bfa 
sharp gale
If I recall my highest was a 13 (I started in bfa launch)
But there was the worst affix they ever did
The ghuunies
pallid quiver
I will never not laugh at that name
tribal wharf
ghuunies was easy
but i was cow and have cow stomp
so, dude gets low, hes marked, 2 ghuunies appear, i cow stomp them, group gets on them and finish them off with stun DR and other cc
it was an affix that was more scary in the mind and on the paper
as compared to in the game, and in the logs
i think some times it made the monster it affected alot stronger and that could be problematic like if it was some caster in AD the ones at priestess that do fuck loads of dmg
pallid quiver
excellent, perfect representation of my mental state
sharp gale
i think some times it made the monster it affected alot stronger and that could ...
it made the infected dude like if he was standing in a sanguine puddle
cerulean tusk
but DH has meta tho
strong forum
dang bottom tier next patch
pallid quiver
Nome with the perfect response to a PTR tier list before all changes are even final
cerulean tusk
Where is Nome tierlist? The people yeaaaaaaaaaaaaarn for the tierlists
pallid quiver
In the end, I think it ties back to people wanting to feel good at something, so they look an instant crutches like meta and tierlists to view themselves as knowledgeable and good at the game as a whole
tribal wharf
well, to be fair
this sort of thing has been going on since nes and even before that like, baseball as a kid
pallid quiver
you can tell by how elitist people act without understanding why people put things in tiers, anyway, especially in fight game land
jagged gust
Where is Nome tierlist? The people yeaaaaaaaaaaaaarn for the tierlists
The skyhold tier list? I hope Hrothmar makes it on this year
dusky canopy
Hyper optimizing video games was the downfall
tribal wharf
people always find the meta and play that
and then, oh, im a winner, like,
ya,makes sense
pallid quiver
Hyper optimizing video games was the downfall
my favorite is when people aim to hyper optimize so badly
that they're not even playing optimally, defeating the purpose
jagged gust
So I got lost in a CoT today, after third boss I walked out the wrong side and clear all the way back to the entrance before I realized what was going on
tribal wharf
hyper optimizing no, but if it took your 400 hours to beat ff7 you are probably jsut really dumb
so, something to shorten how long the grind is, yes
pallid quiver
hyper optimizing no, but if it took your 400 hours to beat ff7 you are probably ...
or you got lost, put the game down, leading you to get lost again
shrewd grove
Man how I wish tier lists never existed
In DF S1 our BM Hunter was legit putting out top 100 in the world parses. When we started doing Mythic prog, one of the officers latched onto him and kept trying to say we weren't downing bosses because "Why do we even have a BM hunter, they're fucking F tier." Meanwhile, half our DPS was grey parsing (including the officer). But he was grey parsing on a meta spec so that's okay lol
shrewd grove
Colossus stonks
tribal wharf
im uploading video of some boomer pc game looks like it was on xbox original , shadowgrounds youtube, maybe upload doom again, dunno
dusky canopy
In DF S1 our BM Hunter was legit putting out top 100 in the world parses. When w...
Prime example of leadership lacking game knowledge
shrewd grove
Yezzir. He's no longer an officer, thankfully
mortal cypress
im uploading video of some boomer pc game looks like it was on xbox original , s...
Ooof....boomer is OG xbox?
I finally got a decent shield...on a scale of 1 to 5 how bad will I find tanking on warrior when i usually do druid or DH?
tribal wharf
its a pain to keep them at the boss and having the pet use cd on cd, not on whenever the fuck it wants to recast it, so it goes off every 10 seconds instead of 4
cuz they have to path to the boss as well
so you lose dps like that
i liked the dual pets 1 main pet with a secondary rather
but, the pets have a purge, a run speed, or like some dr utility, or a stun and its GREAT
jagged gust
I finally got a decent shield...on a scale of 1 to 5 how bad will I find tanking...
Pretty close to druid, just more apm
mortal cypress
Pretty close to druid, just more apm
Yeah the APM worries me....im old and shit and have bad rsi.....but im tired of not getting invited to grps and enjoy fury a lot
was looking for a way to get more gear for dps
jagged gust
Honestly the apm ain't bad, like 15% of it is pressing IP
mortal cypress
Do you know if its worse than outlaw? That spec broke me....after 15mins I quit the M+ and had to put my hands in ice
jagged gust
Far easier imo, outlaw is my fav
mortal cypress
ok thats good, thanks
shrewd grove
Make a macro for IP and it'll save your hands a ton
bright grotto
Gladiator stance should be on the tier list.
mortal cypress
Make a macro for IP and it'll save your hands a ton
I will do that as well, thanks
shrewd grove
Gladiator stance should be on the tier list.
Glad stance SSSSSSS tier
jagged gust
What I do is put IP on a keybind on my mouse, and my rotation is on the keyboard with my left hand, so you split the apm up between hands and it's downright reasonable
shrewd grove
You can also just do the IP/SS macro
mortal cypress
Im just starting to read wowhead, but is either hero tree slower/less apm? I dont care about performance at my level
cyan bronze
colossus
shrewd grove
Im just starting to read wowhead, but is either hero tree slower/less apm? I don...
Colossus way slower
mortal cypress
ok I will go with that then, thanks
jagged gust
colo stonks are looking juicy for S2 tho, so good practice
mortal cypress
yeah there seems a lot of changes across the board for many classes
hunter is my main, but im kinda done with it and havent touched it in weeks, if not over a month
cyan bronze
alot for brm and bear yh
mortal cypress
fury is super fun
jagged gust
Fury just needs like 20% more haste and I'll appreciate it again
shrewd grove
Arms stonks going up next season. Gonna be fun
mortal cypress
I used to say "i couldnt care if my char was a white cube, ill always play the best spec....."but then I got bad rsi and ended up on hunter.....and then tried fury cos alts are so easy to level now, and the angry person with 2 giant 2 handers is super fun even if its not topping the dps
but getting into groups, even low ones, is not so fun
shrewd grove
Start your own groups. No one cares what spec the group lead is
I was doing 8s on a sub-600 ilvl rogue
mortal cypress
oh nice
jagged gust
Oh yeah, I haven't made it in to a pug outside of prot since like month 1 as fury lmao, ain't got the patience for playing the waiting sim
mortal cypress
Start your own groups. No one cares what spec the group lead is
yeah i dont think I can be bothered.....i "pushed keys" on my hunter and guardian druid, and i dont enjoy it at all....above a +10 its just miserable to me, and the reason to do it was just gear to raid
pallid quiver
Start your own groups. No one cares what spec the group lead is
They'll care the instant things go wrong as a way to remove blame from themselves, but
fuck those kinda people
mortal cypress
raid is done now for me so just messing about on alts....and fury is super fun
shrewd grove
They'll care the instant things go wrong as a way to remove blame from themselve...
Not the experience I had, but fair
pallid quiver
You see it more in raid than keys also, to be fair
Since barrier to entry in raid to make a group is lower
mortal cypress
You see it more in raid than keys also, to be fair
Really? People normally stick around in raid because at least at mythic its a group thing, so you arent going to have someone leaving after a few wipes
pallid quiver
These are about pug groups
mortal cypress
DO most people just pug mythic now too?
pallid quiver
you don't pug mythic ansurek or something
jagged gust
nah, 1 wipe quitters is a fact of life in pugs
pallid quiver
nah, 1 wipe quitters is a fact of life in pugs
This, though, yeah
Even better if they have zero idea of the mechs on a boss
and were the cause of the wipe
mortal cypress
I remember being in a M+....like +5 or something, and the tank was going crazy telling people to stop "taking the balls" because he needed them as a tank
guy didnt realise it buffed the entire group
pallid quiver
yo on the topic of bad tanks
I've seen Prot Wars die through BSV on timewalking this week
mortal cypress
then he got slaughtered by the artillery in siege like 3 times
which dungeon is bsv? Im bad with acronyms
shrewd grove
BSV is a "cheat death" talent. Not a real cheat death, and if you take it on Prot its basically confirmation you're playing wrong
mortal cypress
oh, then im even worse on that....in fury channel they have to spell out each time they use an acronymn....im dumber than a rock
shrewd grove
Absolute waste of a talent point
jagged gust
I was the bad tank today 
24 deaths total in CoT, pulled a double swarmlord second pull, I lived but the group combo wiped, wiped eating a stun at .5% on the first boss, accidentally cleared both hallways before last boss because I got turned around
Still timed an 11
That healer must have me on a list by now
shrewd grove
Bahahaha. I just know that healer was yelling
mortal cypress
Still timed an 11
Thats the other thing in M+....people leave way too early, and you can usually eat a lot of mess ups unless you are trying to push a super high key with bad gear
cerulean tusk
Absolute waste of a talent point
It is a great safety blanket for when DPS dont interupt those bolts and healer is overwhelmed fixing misstakes happening left, right and center.
So don't handwave it away. It got its place as a safety blanket.
mortal cypress
I really dont like M+
shrewd grove
It is a great safety blanket for when DPS dont interupt those bolts and healer i...
It isn't a real cheat death, and constantly procs off damage that would not have killed you
cerulean tusk
Even so, when you reach that 30% tresh-hold, the guarenteed return to 100% is a godsend for many a stressed healer
pallid quiver
You're effectively unkillable when it procs, and it's good for ensuring you don't die in things like very high M+. It's technically not optimal even then and not needed,
but playing optimal prot war is not gonna make you time your +18
it is not a good choice in timewalking dungeons
mortal cypress
id be happy to do a +5 or 6 lol
jagged gust
5 or 6 is kind of hard in it's own right if you don't overgear it
mortal cypress
5 or 6 is kind of hard in it's own right if you don't overgear it
yeah haven't tried as a tank, gonna do some dummy hitting to at least get the basics down, but instaqueue would be nice....main is 2,8k before I gave up so should be ok as a tank I think
jagged gust
just because you're in a very deep pool of less experienced players, some encounters have a little more difficulty stacked on em
oh yeah, steady training dummy practice is huge
unborn island
It is a great safety blanket for when DPS dont interupt those bolts and healer i...
Yeah, as someone who exclusively pugs, it's a pretty handy safety blanket. I wasn't dying on 12s before I took it, but it can pick up a lot of slack for slower/worse healers and in bad groups.
If I had a regular group with healers who I trusted/played even higher keys it could be dropped though.
cerulean tusk
small steeple
Oh man, why did my log only record/upload the first 6 minutes of this key? It was my first 10 as col too
||https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BvFgjAG9hJP6fxQH?fight=last||
Sweet someone else logged it though
||https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GCAJmZk8XWB72LHr?fight=1&type=summary||
Negative rage wasted???
pallid quiver
Oh man, why did my log only record/upload the first 6 minutes of this key? It wa...
Often times, it's because one of your addons is coded to end logging on boss defeat
I believe MRT's autologging function does this as an example?
so in an M+ dungeon, where there's multiple bosses
you just... stop logging because it said so
Since the log ends as first boss goes down, I'm pretty positive that's your case
small steeple
jeez, gonna have to look into that. Makes sense
dusky canopy
Loggerhead op
small steeple
Loggerhead op
loggerhead? I've beeing using rader.io passive logger, or using wcl companion app live logging when I know I want to before hand
dusky canopy
They all pretty much accomplish the same thing I just have personally used loggerhead forever and it has never caused me any issues
It automatically logs whatever content I tell it too and I never have to think about again
Just turn on the wcl live logging at the begging of the session and go play
sharp gale
if you're dying with it in timewalking,
I would suggest taking BsV for the timewalking raid from what I witnessed
strong forum
Negative rage wasted???
Wowa doesn't work for us as nobody is currently maintaining it
misty charm
Hello! In the FAQ it says to go into the fray once shield block uptime isnt an issue no more. Is that aimed at just me being able to hold it due to rotation or is there a gear / haste related reason for that?
dusky canopy
Haste related
When you get enough haste you no longer need HR to achieve 100% block uptime
misty charm
how much haste would that be?
dusky canopy
About 35% before talenting ITF
misty charm
oh damn
dusky canopy
Yeah this spec heavily enjoys haste
You want haste on pretty much every slot possible
misty charm
i reckon even enchanting it
dusky canopy
Totally!
At a certain point simming will favor other stats
But simming will want haste for a while
dusky canopy
Glhf!
misty charm
Also does anyone have a reccomendation for a IP tracker? My old one died
jagged gust
Haven't used one in ages tbh
Very little reason to track currently and winds up just being another bit of visual noise on the screen
misty charm
fair enough, i made one myself but its pretty useless anyway
small steeple
i just have a wa that shows the duration left on it so i don't let it expire
tribal wharf
tyler 1 died in hc wow im learning lol
in the raid
dont really keep up with it, but tune in if theres big moments like that
this is precisely the situation i mean you can be rezzed like, once a month basically
mighty valley
that would kind of take the point out of hardcore, wouldn’t it
tribal wharf
what it is right now is brutalist
lets be real
even in doom nightmare you still stand a chance and can respawn if you want to , probably wouldnt want to
you have precious seconds to res them........... or not............ and they can rp bleed out
and then if they die again in some time peroid, 12 hours to 30 days you just die
now you are a risk to be bring into dungeon and raid
shit writes itself
jagged gust
Monthly raids
mighty valley
yeah people would just park their character for a month to wait out the timer
very boring
dusky canopy
Nah I’d just let hardcore be hardcore
No safety nets
They already got the potion or whatever it is that prevents a death
Doesn’t need to be anymore than that
urban bane
Yeah, not sure why it needs to be different. The high risk and punishment is the point.
tribal wharf
nono
i just mean like, the debuff, its like a horrific thing to have
not its a 1 month per raid
its like that if you fuck up
and the things you would expect would kill you, kill you, like, to the banish/exile zone
heavy temple
anyone has a sample colossus m+ build for 11.1?
urban bane
round pendant
what it is right now is brutalist
lmao
when you sign up for hc you accept if you die it's gone
don't like it don't play it
so shrimple
round pendant
probably a skill issue
but yeah I don't think we're gonna be doing 2/3rds of dps numbers
opaque vine
Tanks are doing less relative to dps than live yes
round pendant
And do damage
onyx vessel
Nah not my problem
Zdps like quin 
It's OK colossus meta s2 so We can win on prio targets 
We doing prot pal s1 dmg now while dps are doing 2x that it's fine 
fiery turtle
And do damage
Actually from the looks of it, blizz is trying to have roles set in stone more, kinda like it was back in the days where tanks were there to get hit and survive, and not coint into the dps plateaus to go higher keys or makd dps checks
round pendant
idc how much dps they want us doing relative to dps
you still have to do damage
or you're just griefing
Since it's not exactly hard to do damage AND live
porque no los dos
Seems like we're gonna be keeping that 25% devastator buff
strong blaze
Are we still running Mountain Thane on ptr or does it look like it'll switch to Collosus?
cerulean tusk
Yes
strong blaze
Funny
cerulean tusk
Doubt, but I remain carefully optimistic I won't quit WoW during it
round pendant
Raid will be mid and ruined by the fact I have to pug it
m+ has potential to be fun tho
round cliff
raid is looking like a solid rival to castle nathria
round pendant
will be funny if S2 is great and S1 was so trash
round cliff
S1 wasnt bad either xd
am i just the rare wow player that enjoys the game as a default
round pendant
opinion dismissed
cerulean tusk
Will see, this tier I didn't even do spider. Only fight I enjoyed was princess.
Maybe next tier raid will hook me in
round cliff
i dont NOT enjoy any of the fights this tier except sikran
round pendant
S1 was worse than any DF season
round cliff
bold claim when amirdrassil was mid outside of fyrakk
cerulean tusk
Worse than S4? You stretching my disbelief here
cerulean tusk
Hmk, hmm kay
round pendant
Can't really compare a real season to a fated season
cerulean tusk
You said ANY
round pendant
also I'm primarily M+
round cliff
theres some dungeon bosses i dont enjoy either!
get double negative'd on
my reading comp is above urs
round pendant
The thing that bothered me about this season wasn't even really the game though
it's blizzard
cerulean tusk
round pendant
fucked scaling, unnecessary nerfs, broken shaman, CC nerf
after DF was pretty consistent and fun
was just wack
cerulean tusk
Fair enough
round cliff
DF was entirely inoffensive and good all the way thru
and introduced dragonriding so its good by default
round cliff
she takes on my correct til i always
cerulean tusk
What
round pendant
man just had a stroke
cerulean tusk
He leave off your wrong fob never
round cliff
crazy
cerulean tusk
sane
round cliff
i still dont understand the dragonriding sucks people tho..
round pendant
I don't click 😔
jagged pier
or tried dragon flying with wasd and keyboard turning instead of mouse buttons
round cliff
"can" is a strong word
cerulean tusk
I gotta try that
round pendant
I use a steering wheel
round cliff
ur strafe keys work. technically.
jagged pier
i presume u can u can for everything else
round cliff
its bad tho
jagged pier
if not then that makes sense but also makes sense ppl would hate it as its not movement they are used too
round pendant
My reasons aren't worth going into
jagged pier
like there are ppl that cant do the dragon races everyone has a different skill level
round pendant
I've had that argument here like 3 times
round pendant
Sure
round cliff
yea i like council
vocal cave
silken is ass fight and no one will change my mind
brittle owl
u ppl don't remember dark inquisitor or azshara smh
talking about shit fights yall mustve forgot
orchid frigate
hey! havent kept up recently with the changes, what state are we in now going into next season compared to now?
chilly brook
nah court slaps
Court is ass
Best fight this tier from a pure enjoyment perspective is Kyveza
chilly brook
u ppl don't remember dark inquisitor or azshara smh
Just because soccer boss was bad doesn’t make court any more enjoyable
brittle owl
lmao shut up then
sage yacht
tribal wharf
lmao
i will gladly all ight and day in original and modern doom play on ultraviolence or nightmare, but never ultra nightmare fuck you cant respawn AT ALL
there is a fine line between extremely challenging and fuck you
hc wow is just straight up ultra nightmare mode
you have ZERO chnance to come back, in a game where paladins have a button kills them and hunter fd can resist and kill hunter, and a bunch of res spells for healers, who can never cast it
and like i say, there should be penalties for casting it or taking the rez in first place, if you didnt get head chopped off or eaten whole by dragon or took more than 90% of health towards dying (falling, enraged boss)
something like, you have 2 charges of rez spell, and it takes 24 hours to recharge 1 single rez, could use both if really want to
at the very least, it gives the player rp time to bleed out in a field after being ambushed by wolves or a bear. and he realizes rogue cant res him so pays respects to rogue, or curses him, either or.
tribal wharf
i think you miss the point im trying to convey
i dont mind that, i just think its bullshit that its one blink of the eye, not paying attention and then its totally irreversably at all over
its not like you like,break your arm and then you immdiately die
i would go as far to say can only be rezzed succesfully up to 3 times
if you are extremely lucky
once is pretty much garunteed unless you are total idiot and crushed by boulder
toxic gyro
No one cares. Also you don’t like the idea of hardcore classic don’t play.
You can also host your own classic server with whatever ideas you have and play it yourself.
tribal wharf
well then i have to learn to code
so that aint happenin
i just think that i am right on that, not going to stop thinking like that
toxic gyro
You’re not, but it’s a free world, you can think whatever you like.
tribal wharf
i think that my vision of it is unfathomably based
thats the only way i can put it simply
toxic gyro
Your vision defeats purpose of “hardcore”. In every game in hardcore death means the end of character.
tribal wharf
its not like in formula 1 car crashes and they give up, no, they fix the damn car and get back on the track and racing
i think your still seeing it wrong then, when i say can be rezzed like 3 times
this is like, 3 times total, ever
and thats if it even happens
or is capable of happening
toxic gyro
I’m done here.
tribal wharf
miss me with NES mechanics
crash into a fish and instantly die lose all your shit
99.9% time i'm out the second that happens
toxic gyro
Yup like in any other game in hardcore mode.
urban bane
he's still talking about hardcore shouldnt be hardcore 
toxic gyro
chilly brook
(I didn't do it on mythic)
Court on mythic was not fun
But it did feel rewarding when you killed it so at least it had that
chilly brook
i dont mind that, i just think its bullshit that its one blink of the eye, not p...
So hardcore isn’t for you gg go next play something else
tribal wharf
one guy???? no continues?? (is a avgn bit)
cerulean tusk
Doom got a hardcore mode now? Neat
tribal wharf
u never played doom games?
this.... is unforgivable.....
do you side with the demons?
because i only side against demon kind
dense remnant
is there any decent streamer to watch doing some higher m+? either youtube or twitch
tribal wharf
but, i mean, in doom eternal, there is a ultra nightmare setting
you die ITS OVER
it deletes your save game
doesnt matter if you are all the way to final boss
the game deletes your save
cant get extra lives
cerulean tusk
And you want 3 continues for that?
tribal wharf
thats what the skill just above it BASICALLY is, but not really
you still have continues, but you have 3 lives
dense remnant
i havent read the whole thing, but is deathray44's point really just to not make hardcore be actually hardcore, but instead he wants to get a semi-hardcore playmode?
cerulean tusk
I have no idea, I expect it to be about doom
tribal wharf
nightmare = mythic raiding, ultra nightmare = hard core mythic raiding
cerulean tusk
So you want mythic raiding where if you die 3 times, you are gone forever, in WoW?
tribal wharf
i think thats what hc should have been from the get go
and then there is ultra nightmare hc wow servers
if you REALLY want to play that
cerulean tusk
Ah, so you really on about that you want extra lives for hardcore?
dense remnant
thats a fair enough point of view to have tbf, as long as you dont expect everyone to share your opinion
but i think the amount of ppl playing hardcore proves that its not a big deal for many ppl
tribal wharf
yes, but no, it feels really cheap you played 350 hours and then idiot tank butt pulls and then 18 seconds later, even though you try hardest.... dead.....
cant do anything any more
cerulean tusk
That is the game and the pull of it tho
dense remnant
think he's saying that there's a gap in the market
but personally i dont think that gap is that big
cerulean tusk
A hidden market for ppl who want hardcore, but not really, they just want to have a feel of risk, but being at any?
That would be very very niche
dense remnant
a small risk, yes
frank marsh
tribal wharf
hard core minus if you would
cerulean tusk
Softcore
cerulean tusk
I mean, some ppl play WoW for pet battles, so sure - if it makes sense making a WoW shard for those 100 or so ppl
why not
tribal wharf
i never played wow hc but i have to imagine it feels horrible to die on it
cerulean tusk
Then you go again; that is the idea of the gameplay loop
dense remnant
i dont like hardcore in any game, dont like the risk of losing the things i enjoyed farming for
so i dont play them
but im sure there are games that punish you for dying/failing enough to make you wanna avoid it
but ye, anyone got a recommendation of some prot warrior m+ gameplay?
cerulean tusk
Hm, not really. You checked Rio leadboards and the player's individual registered streams/channels?
dense remnant
i'll check that out
elfin elk
Heyo, is it okay if I post a few +8 Dawnbreaker runs for review? Mainly looking for feedback on defensive stuff (shield block uptime etc), I know im also fucking up a lot offensively
small steeple
Heyo, is it okay if I post a few +8 Dawnbreaker runs for review? Mainly looking ...
post it in #449510248579858432 and then maybe ask here if someone can
pallid quiver
Honestly, I prefer Prot logs to just be posted here, since the log review is so filled with DPS logs
But feel free to shoot and do so
elfin elk
Cheers I'll just toss them in here then https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zvPX8BxhZLKyg1G9
rotund wyvern
Maybe I'm just super stupid, but do we have a way to deal with Zekvir's both heal cast and Enfeebling Spittle? Sometimes I see that if I interrupt one, can't deal with the other due to pummel CD (except Brann saving me ocasionally), and I'm using Pummel with 13s
rotund wyvern
Yeah, but Enfeebling Spittle wrecks me whenever Brann doesn't kick it
Tried to use Spell Reflect to reduce magic damage too
jagged pier
This is why u jist save avatar to clear the ones brann doesnt stop
Or just have bran in healer and he will dispell dps shouldnt be an issue anymore
rotund wyvern
Yeah, I use Brann DPS just due to the interrupt
kind urchin
Take disrupting shout as an emergency interrupt too.
chilly brook
storm stone
how safe do yall take your m+ pulls
cuz in grim batol and stonevault in particular i just notice
even really high DPS groups
cerulean tusk
It comes with experience, but you quickly get a feel from the first one or two pulls. In Grim, do people interupt the adds and help to gather them downstairs for the patrol pull? If no - they wont be helpful. Do small pulls. Do they? Then you safe to do the next gigapull.
In vault, you do the first corridor, do they interupt and stop casts? If so, same as Grim - go big or small from there on based on this information.
A rule of thumb is: Can you presume the casters will be stopped? If so, pull as much as you can. If no, split even pulls you usually would concider to do as one.
Just mark the casters with skull, the DPS kill them, then chain into next casters.
Repeat.
cerulean tusk
You aint wrong, that is basically your job as a tank. To lead people based on their abilities - and more often than not, people are playing WoW with less than 10% of their thinking power.
chilly brook
I mean
Just pull big
In 10s it doesn’t matter much we overgear so much and you’re a 4th dps as colo
round pendant
It comes with experience, but you quickly get a feel from the first one or two p...
tbf if you survive the corridor at the start of SV the rest of the dungeon is fine to go big on
sv is so easy I love it
cerulean tusk
Oh you be suprised how many tanks who die on the pull after 1st boss
SV tho, if ppl interupt - is super free as pwarr
pallid quiver
Oh you be suprised how many tanks who die on the pull after 1st boss
According to definitely not extremely specific filters using that one death heatmap tool that came out recently, 0 Prot Warriors
cerulean tusk
Ppally run in, 100% go to 10%, horse go WEEEhhHEEEEEHuuurRRRhEHEEE! 10% go to 0%.
jagged gust
SV tho, if ppl interupt - is super free as pwarr
thats a big if, those gattling gun spell casters can put some hurt on a fella near the last boss
small steeple
Bot!
toxic gyro
thats a big if, those gattling gun spell casters can put some hurt on a fella ne...
Spell block first and third pack and just kick/stun/wall second pack. Also weave in spell reflect and they become pretty easy.
muted basin
So are we thinking Colossus next season over thane for M+?
dark barn
colossus seems much more synergic
ofc thane is playable but i feel blizzard is forcing colossus rn
near 100% crit on SS will reduce the cd of demolish a lot
muted basin
Interesting, I've only played thane thus far. Switched to Colossus today just to try it out, and demolish is so fun 😂 so if Colossus is viable next season that would be pretty cool
cyan bronze
isnt thane sick with the tier set?
Colossus gets so much cdr from the ss crit
strong forum
ofc thane is playable but i feel blizzard is forcing colossus rn
They ain't forcing it, it's just through consistently being annoying that blizzard didn't forget about colossus
Like the reason for the nerfs were a thane exclusive issue
So they had to unzip some stuff real quick to make colossus not be unplayable
It's just a happy coincidence that stuff lines up more in colossus' favour
deft mortar
ngl I kinda hate the lame 2 spec thingy
strong forum
4set and free SS seems insane
When they line up, sure, but that chance ain't that high.
Colossus' benefit from the 4pc is, always
Thane only when the stars align ykno
strong forum
ngl I kinda hate the lame 2 spec thingy
It wouldn't be lame if they could make it work (it only kinda does)
deft mortar
blizz will perfect it by the end of the expansion
strong forum
Like it works great for shamans
deft mortar
but by then we will have a new system
strong forum
Amazingly even
deft mortar
xD
strong forum
For warrior it does also work
Both trees have, atleast this patch, had clear things they are better at
deft mortar
Colossus feels like a different spec with different uses tbh, but I havent played since November
Excited to come back
small steeple
but by then we will have a new system
That's the thing, they can't get rid of hero trees, so somehow its gonna have to be incorporated into everything in future xpacs. maybe new hero specs? idk
deft mortar
So I do like it that it switches up a few things
ye fair, feels like a spec within the spec
strong forum
And thane to be safe
small steeple
@strong forum you said spear is gonna over take roar for col next season too right?
strong forum
Looks to be the case yea
hardy snow
strong forum
Since rend and deepwounds aren't getting buffed as much as other things
So the increased crit dmg does scoot slightly ahead
But only slightly
Its perfectly fine to keep playing roar, especially depending on encounter
urban portal
also being able to aoe bigger is non trivial for a tank
round cliff
also being able to aoe bigger is non trivial for a tank
is that an argument for roar or spear
im not going back to spear blizz can't make me
past sedge
its over for prot boys in next season right?
like no chance of getting even within sniffing distance of title keys
gg
pallid quiver
i mean in the terms that most people pushing title will just play meta tanks, yes
In terms of actual capability,
That was still on the table even after the initial blast of nerfs
strong forum
like no chance of getting even within sniffing distance of title keys
What
You will absolutely without a doubt be able to do title keys lol
That's not even a point of contention
pallid quiver
In order for us to not be able to do title keys, they'd need to do things like remove pummel, storm bolt, shockwave,
maybe shield block, too, while we're at it
cerulean tusk
PuGing? Should be fine still, might not be popular - but you will get there.
If you play premade tho, there is no way you wouldn't be able to reach title range because of you playing prot warrior. That problem would have another whole root.
vocal cave
do you think guys all tanks will get slapped with aurabuff to dmg or threat? Things looks sketchy on ptr for all of them, especially druid
pallid quiver
We've already gotten an aurabuff to threat, so if they're doing anything like that, it'd be more into threat
chilly brook
do you think guys all tanks will get slapped with aurabuff to dmg or threat? Thi...
They’re going to have to tbh
Almost all of the tanks didn’t even gain any damage from s1 to s2
strong forum
I know you’re not German but I think that’s close enough yeah 🙂
i literally am german
cerulean tusk
Nein
strong forum
no thats critcake
strong forum
cerulean tusk
To be fair, expecting every EU player to be norwegian, makes sense
There are tons of us
chilly brook
In (s)Pain enjoying a German bar/restaurant
strong forum
thats rather random
chilly brook
thats rather random
Work trip to Spain so trying to enjoy the last day before I have to fly back to the states
chilly brook
@strong forum rindergulasch was better than currywurst honestly
tardy abyss
Currywurst is just a snack
strong forum
^
junior viper
is there ever too much haste?
strong forum
not rly
junior viper
kk cause im at like 60% with max fray
vocal cave
if youre young virile man no, if youre an old man, probably
junior viper
lo
sweet summit
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chilly brook
Currywurst is just a snack
This one just wasn’t for me tbh, maybe if I tried a different place
I didn’t want something super meal like after having the soup
tribal wharf
this dude has a bettter in real life transmog than most of my wow characters or at least on par
reminds me of scarlet monestary
wintry nymph
just 1 more on either warr or rogue now
lusty coyote
You will absolutely without a doubt be able to do title keys lol
If you are able to get an invite
toxic gyro
Pugging title sounds miserable
wicked pollen
it is
small steeple
0.1% title? Is it even possible to pug that high? Like, after 15/16 and even then thats a stretch, people play in premades right
wicked pollen
it is
cerulean tusk
Ye, PuGing title is doable. Just a lot more work. Once you get to the 0.1% mark, you see alot of the same names - and it is less "pug" PuGing, as you do get to know ppl over time
So if you done your job the way up, there is a chance that effort networking and gaming will pay off in getting brought from impressions given earlier.
ionic nimbus
0.1% title? Is it even possible to pug that high? Like, after 15/16 and even the...
It is, but at the required rating it’s not the pug Situation you know from weekly keys. Due to population size at top ranking you re meeting a lot of people you already know from previous runs
vocal cave
does anyone have any video from 2nd test of mugzee hc?
strong forum
pugging gets easier the higher you go
its a cesspool around, wherever the breakpoint is, maybe 15 maybe 16 and below people who either arent good enough or didnt put in a lot of time yet who are "stuck"
but around 17/18 usually everyone kinda knows what do to, whats the usual play etc etc
it is not directly correlated to "invites per hour" but getting an invite is not the hard part of pugging its just time consuming, its doing the key
in lower ranks you might get invites faster, but the failure rate and toxicity quickly rises aswell because people quickly develop Egos or blame entirely wrong things
this doesnt disappear at higher ranks, but atleast from my experience theres way way less yapping and pointing fingers. Just people playing the game
heavy sparrow
in lower ranks you might get invites faster, but the failure rate and toxicity q...
Can confirm. 12s are a nightmare between 11s and 13s of bricked keys and people who are getting 12 keys
As a tank I've seen and been part of a lot of brick-laying
unborn island
Can confirm. 12s are a nightmare between 11s and 13s of bricked keys and people ...
This is actually how I got my CoT Rio over +11 done...I 2 cheated a 12 DB, then got a 14 CoT, missed time by about 30s (couple of silly DPS deaths on first boss), and the same group came to do a 13, which was easy.
Wouldn't have found people like them queuing for a 12.
pallid quiver
Yeah, pugging is generally the worst at that mid-level area
heavy sparrow
This is actually how I got my CoT Rio over +11 done...I 2 cheated a 12 DB, then ...
Same. I ended up bricking a 14 siege and we all were warmed up for the 13
main walrus
tanky bois, need some help ara and beatle are hero, shard and module myth, i'm having a hard time at 12-13 i'm 2800 rating 636 ilvl still missing SV and NW 12 timed
is it always ara + swarmlord ?
main walrus
i know :c i don't even know why i mentioned that
strong forum
and swarm wont help you in the dangerous situations that can kill you
main walrus
mastery on use for dps more than def ?
strong forum
both tbh
the +30% extra crit block chance goes a long way or however much it is
swarm has 2% haste and a tiny absorb
main walrus
i've always used module because i can actually see it in healing done, but i really don't think it's doing anything
wicked pollen
that thing is useless
strong forum
its mostly fake value provided
strong forum
that being said
if swarm/module makes you feel safer or play better, by all means use it
what matters is you being confident/feeling safe over the "technically correct choice"
main walrus
that helps
now i'm more confident for staying alive i got a lot more gear than when i started trying +12s
and i just did a bad pull and depleted the COT .-.
main walrus
but yeah, what is keeping me from timing these 12s is the actual chance to see the dungeon x) healer insta leaved, you could still time a 12 with 4 deaths and no major cooldowns popped right ?
yepp yepp, thanks tho
strong forum
if you know what went wrong then you can adjust and fix it for next time
if you dont know what did, figure it out and then go again
main walrus
i did a very bad pull second pack because i'm not used to playing for buff on COT, welp now it's a +11 so i'll do it again and try out a route that uses the buff
strong forum
mh
sharp gale
You pulled the 2 casters with the big mob ? Left to the fountain ?
wicked pollen
forbidden pack
sharp gale
18 kicks required
unborn island
I do always wonder what blizz is thinking, including packs that literally nobody will ever pull
Like the packs at the end of stonevault
Who would pull those if it wasn't mandatory
jagged gust
i did a very bad pull second pack because i'm not used to playing for buff on CO...
one of us
heavy sparrow
but yeah, what is keeping me from timing these 12s is the actual chance to see t...
You can time with tops 11 deaths if you're like 50% done
main walrus
You can time with tops 11 deaths if you're like 50% done
only if no one insta leaves
main walrus
Who would pull those if it wasn't mandatory
sadly me
yeah that is the pull, and i do know we should never do this but i fucked up :c
unborn island
Yeah, it's also funny because you skip that way as well I guess.
main walrus
i tried something different in the +11, went way back to the right before first boss, there is another buff there and a whole shit ton of casters, wouldn't recommend either
main walrus
think another problem i'm having timing 12s is picking a random route from guru and trying to do it without really thinking about group comp and kicks
petition to add routes to FAQ
main walrus
so the skip to the far right is actually not abd ? first time i saw it i just grabbed a route
i admit the +11 went pretty smooth, i had 5% overpull and almost +2 it
wicked pollen
you owuld do buff skip left
unborn island
so the skip to the far right is actually not abd ? first time i saw it i just gr...
CoT is one of the weird ones, if you get a group which can execute it's essentially easy. If you get people who don't know what to do it's basically impossible. I got it on 13 a few nights ago with a group which nearly got it in 14 but on 12 literally only completed the place once, and like 2.5 mins over time because of boss wipes.
heavy sparrow
is to skip before 1st boss
It's wild so many people mess up the pack skip right before cot mini boss
woven onyx
which is da better option... can make nether into tier because it seems the top prots are using greatbelt or tier belt
jagged gust
avoidance and socket seem like a pretty easy sell to me
woven onyx
thats what i was thinking
hollow patio
Can somebody give me some tips to improve? I struggle setting up some pulls like the first pull in NW. I feel like I am getting completely clapped right from the get go and I feel like I am not really doing that much damage.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dPQqxTwzv4BM8CrF?fight=last&source=3
Some Notes: I swapped Blood surge to disrupting shout mostly for kicks on second boss and narzudah. Ended up not using it that much though.
I am not playing itf cause I don't have that much haste atm.
Missing some stuff gearwise cause I didn't actually intend playing this season. Wanted to reroll prot warrior for S2 and start gearing there but I was a little bored and started early.
jagged pier
casts of SS low
tardy abyss
Narzudah usually isnt that dangerous considering we have SR and Spell Block, which does absorb a lot of the damage
tardy abyss
and if you take care of what Jakey said you could also get away with using Ravager instead of BSV to smoothen out damage on pulls
And even if you had enough Haste for ITF you might wanna stick with HR for a bit to get more used to the spec
Until you feel really comfortable
hollow patio
over sending OB on the wrong things
What does OB stand for?
hollow patio
and if you take care of what Jakey said you could also get away with using Ravag...
Yeah BSV is probably not needed with better play but it just feels so nice knowing that you can't die even if you mess up^^
tardy abyss
Yeah thats fine
Once youre really used to the spec you dont need it until at least +16
Given you have a healer with functioning eyes
jagged pier
What does OB stand for?
outbursts
your sending them on TB and unbuffed thunderclap more than SS
hollow patio
Yeah I am not tracking that at all
jagged pier
well your just missing out on rage
and damage
so thats dumb
and your gunna struggle even more next season if you dont as you will just generate less
its even more important you pretty much send it on SS next patch
chilly brook
think another problem i'm having timing 12s is picking a random route from guru ...
Brother in 12s you can just hold W and not die
chilly brook
Narzudah usually isnt that dangerous considering we have SR and Spell Block, whi...
He’s a pain in the ass
Imo just more efficient to skip that pack
hollow patio
its even more important you pretty much send it on SS next patch
Thank you. I will look into tracking OB and improving that.
chilly brook
Never had issues with it dunno
Just a shitty pack imo
Not necessarily dangerous
Just annoying
Especially with how many people could purge him but don’t
tardy abyss
true
solemn kelp
Could you add the reference eu thread to this pin please? https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/feedback-protection-warrior/556286
solemn kelp
Thanks!
cyan bronze
they dont read eu forums
topaz latch
are the new 11.1 prot changes enough to get people to reroll? all i see is that we are only gonna do less damage, less durability, and less fun. thats it. /s
small steeple
is /s serious or sarcasm?
But mountain thane will be relative weaker, and col will be realative stronger
solemn kelp
they dont read eu forums
Maybe if the people writing in the US thread point out the EU thread they might.
kind urchin
are the new 11.1 prot changes enough to get people to reroll? all i see is that ...
Right now on ptr all the tanks are doing absolutely pathetic damage. prot warrior is no worse off than the rest of them in that regard.
ionic fern
are the new 11.1 prot changes enough to get people to reroll? all i see is that ...
The latest change to Strategist/Devastator proc made it decent again.
torn gulch
I heard it's colossus stonks now
topaz latch
The latest change to Strategist/Devastator proc made it decent again.
ive seemed to miss that. can you link the change?
jagged pier
devastator was always 20%
strategist was 30%
they are now both 25%
but if u get you rinfo from tier lists and vids, its likely most of those ppl have made them based off the first iteration
off the changes so its not even accurate
topaz latch
eh, doesnt seem too much of a deal compared to other changes.
torn gulch
it is
that change combined with the 30% buff to ignore pain makes us decent again
we'll have to pay more attention to rage spending but it is what it is
pallid quiver
Notably, it's a buff to devastator; on live, devastator is only 20%
torn gulch
a 5% increase on auto-attacks to reset Shield Slam is pretty huge
heavy sparrow
I heard it's colossus stonks now
I hope collosus gets to shine. We should be able to prioritize revenge more again
torn gulch
I haven't played it extensively to see how bad is the rage problem on colossus someone might be able to shine more light on that
ionic fern
I hope collosus gets to shine. We should be able to prioritize revenge more agai...
Colossus is good.
torn gulch
but damage wise it's pretty good
ionic fern
But as always, it comes at the cost of survivability.
It's not as bad as previously since you play IO now as Colossus.
- the tier set.
Provides a decent up-time on SW.
cyan bronze
is it even less tanky than Thane now
ionic fern
Colossus? No.
tribal wharf
we dont gunna take DA with io huh? , shared with IW which i believe is still crucial to us
pallid quiver
Imp Wall is dead, Yogi
tribal wharf
huh, well, times really do change i guess
pallid quiver
They removed the rage gen to it and reduced SW's base CD, making it both give you less rage to reset the CD with and having its CDR not be as competitive with double wall
Double Wall is just flat out better in all situations now
tribal wharf
that was what we basically played around since 8.0 feels like :S
do more ss or tc or revenges depending on patch
to get more ss to do more X
and it was +4 rage so,
i guess this is for collo cuz thane is effectively dead for like keys and whatever
i think i heard thats gutted
ionic fern
i guess this is for collo cuz thane is effectively dead for like keys and whatev...
Please stop Yogi.
sharp gale
You still are a prot warrior / a tank you can do whatever key you will ever do it will be easy to tag and to do
tribal wharf
ya i havent played for while, might like to return some day, just i dunno
sharp gale
It’s not like colo deletes shield block
tribal wharf
there was some 25% nerf then then reverted it or something like
torn gulch
you can't be serious