ah, yeah icy has haste verse on their guide and wowhead has haste crit. mechanically, what makes crit better than verse? verse seems like a good general trait.
#protection
topaz latch
waxen frigate
ah, yeah icy has haste verse on their guide and wowhead has haste crit. mechanic...
Parry and more damage
Parry can be a lot more valuable than vers in some situations
But a lot less valuable in others
topaz latch
are physical tank busters, parryable?
heavy sparrow
My survivability has gone up significantly once I swapped out verse for crit
waxen frigate
are physical tank busters, parryable?
Some are, most aren’t
But it’s not a blanket rule
heavy sparrow
I had like 9-12 crit. 48 haste, 18 mastery, and 22 verse at one point
waxen frigate
My survivability has gone up significantly once I swapped out verse for crit
FWIW this is most likely placebo
Stats aren’t make or break for survival
Gameplay is
topaz latch
My survivability has gone up significantly once I swapped out verse for crit
thats good to hear. im a below middling player, and id like to discern if crit would help me more than verse. sometimes, some things in games are meta but are only truly capitalized by pro players.
im wat my pro raider gf calls, "perpetual noob."
i want to pad my lack of skill with correct stat allocation lol.
BUT, if i switch out for crit, i can slip into arms dps more reliably i guess.
waxen frigate
i want to pad my lack of skill with correct stat allocation lol.
Just pad it by getting carried by your gf tbh that’ll be more impactful
topaz latch
Just pad it by getting carried by your gf tbh that’ll be more impactful
this is for when shes raiding
waxen frigate
Join guild runs -> good dps kill everything before your cooldowns run out -> you don’t have to think
waxen frigate
this is for when shes raiding
Be a good little cheerleader
topaz latch
she helped me get to +15 keys in df
raw parcel
I saw talk of prot warrior getting some buffs? Is there an update on how fucked we are right now?
topaz latch
and she killed everything before i ran out of shield block because im an idiot and only had like 80% uptime
topaz latch
Be a good little cheerleader
so in your official position as transmog judge, a below avg prot war like me will be fine with haste/ crit?
waxen frigate
Yeah
waxen frigate
and she killed everything before i ran out of shield block because im an idiot a...
Nice. She single?
topaz latch
Nice. She single?
nah, shes my gf.
waxen frigate
nah, shes my gf.
Alright lmk if you fumble 🙏
topaz latch
but shes a pally
topaz latch
Alright lmk if you fumble 🙏
will do! maybe u can raid with her lol. apparently she needs a co tank.
waxen frigate
but shes a pally
Not a Druid or warlock we ballin
topaz latch
Not a Druid or warlock we ballin
lolololol
time to look for crit gear.
and keep my gf away from this server.
waxen frigate
and keep my gf away from this server.
topaz latch
https://tenor.com/view/rizzler-fyoutolo-the-rizzler-tiktok-rizzler-rizz-gif-1579...
lolol, so she doesnt switch to prot warrior. obviously.
sweet summit
https://tenor.com/view/rizzler-fyoutolo-the-rizzler-tiktok-rizzler-rizz-gif-1579...
5 booms
topaz latch
I saw talk of prot warrior getting some buffs? Is there an update on how fucked ...
i didnt even know we were bad right now. do u have a link to the buffs?
gentle violet
I have an ElvUI and WA profile for Prot War available if you want to try it to, DM me 🙂
It is probably even more simplified than quazi
cyan bronze
@waxen frigate STOP trying to be mister steal your girl. It’s NOT nice
That’s gio57’s job
cyan bronze
i didnt even know we were bad right now. do u have a link to the buffs?
we are fine/good on live
we got some rather heavy handed rage generation nerfs coming into first ptr build along with some compensation buffs
waxen frigate
<@135532750890467329> STOP trying to be mister steal your girl. It’s NOT nice
Careful who you fw
cyan bronze
and we have been getting more every week
cyan bronze
Careful who you fw
Yeah howd you find this pic of me nish
topaz latch
we got some rather heavy handed rage generation nerfs coming into first ptr buil...
i heard about rage gen nerf, had not heard about us getting consolation prize buffs.
waxen frigate
Yeah howd you find this pic of me nish
This is a video moron
cyan bronze
i heard about rage gen nerf, had not heard about us getting consolation prize bu...
Has been in p much every build
cyan bronze
This is a video moron
I don’t know how to click stop being a fucking bigot
waxen frigate
I don’t know how to click stop being a fucking bigot
Hawk tuah
cyan bronze
im going to freaking go sicko mode on you nish…
prot warrior & brew nerfs in next ptr build inshallah
waxen frigate
waxen frigate
wtf ru talking about bro
cyan bronze
Posting this on my ig story brb
waxen frigate
Party rockers in the house tonight
cyan bronze
Party rockers in the house tonight
#epic
waxen frigate
New name
waxen frigate
Nonexistent
vocal cave
I wish sudden death procd often enough to keep up juggernaut stacks
slayer prot when
cerulean tusk
Every warrior would, Prot with bladestorm again? Dios mio
tribal wharf
its horrible and you slide off the track
i dunno what the 2 satelites weapon item you get does
all the weapons are horrible lol
vocal cave
one day BSV will reset after wipe
strong forum
nah
that promotes cheese
LR and Purg used to reset on actual death
and people then just quickly suicided in keys before big pulls to get them back
so they made cheat deaths not reset on death and i assume wipe aswell?
waxen frigate
things are dire
holy moly
waxen frigate
Careful who you fw
@livid oasis
livid oasis
yeah i need to visit this channel more often
sullen gust
so they made cheat deaths *not* reset on death and i assume wipe aswell?
Would it work if it was linked to rage spent? Like the warrior vibe is being angry and building rage and the class mechanical identity seems to be cooldown reduction on basically all of our abilities. Once you've spent X rage you can recharge your bsv and kind of promote better rage management for the class as over capping rage will punish us in a way and good management will give us a buff to survivability?
Also avoid degenerate gameplay of wiping to reset the CD
mighty valley
i don’t think we need even more power in spending rage
jagged gust
CDR on a faux cheat death? I mean I'm game
Who needs DA when you can just let the game decide when you need a defensive
mighty valley
anger management already exists
jagged gust
ezpz, replace SW with BSV in AM and we're golden. If they're intentionally turning prot into the newbie tank may as well
tiny atlas
Man, i am already at 3120 Rio but still cant keep up Shield Block when playing ITF. 20366 Haste fully buffed and "only" at 88% uptime. I just dont get it.
tiny atlas
I did most of the time. But decided to craft some stuff to bring me up in hast. In theory 20k buffed haste should be enough, right?
Dont raid so i dont have the Raid Neck with 5k haste tho.
mighty valley
I did most of the time. But decided to craft some stuff to bring me up in hast. ...
nah, it’s 20k+ pre-buffs before it’s super recommended
if you’re just looking at details uptime though, that doesn’t really tell you how far off you are, better to log and check how many hits you’re blocking
tiny atlas
Those are useful infos, tyvm.
So propably in S2 with more base stats you will get there a bit more easily, right?
mighty valley
Yeah, the big ilvl jump gives more secondaries
torn gulch
we actually have a lot of crit haste items next season
first mythic raid boss has 3 bis crit/haste items
hardy snow
still won't drop for me 
vocal cave
crit mastery colossus season 2 
onyx vessel
Cleaning up my Macro list, found this:
how to dump 100 rage 
tall rampart
any fellow gnome tanks here? think I might be getting hit in the back on big m+ pulls and have found some times where I feel like im getting no rage from not attacking the mobs etc. Just wondering if it is a gnome issue 😂 if so any good advice?
dont remember this issue when I used my tauren one previously, and dont have this issue on my druid
hardy snow
any fellow gnome tanks here? think I might be getting hit in the back on big m+ ...
being a gnome only affects swimming in shallow water instead of running on it, it has no impact on rage gen (except haste bonus) nor on hits in the back
tall rampart
being a gnome only affects swimming in shallow water instead of running on it, ...
wasnt sure if it would be easier for mobs to hit behind since so small,
pallid quiver
It's more likely that you are subconsciously not feeling the need to backstep to keep up with stutterstepping mobs because of gnome model and camera
tall rampart
cant remember if they normalised hit boxes for all races
pallid quiver
Since player hitboxes for things like that should all be normalized
tall rampart
It's more likely that you are subconsciously not feeling the need to backstep to...
might be this
pallid quiver
The only difference is whether you can fit through doors or not, since that's still affected
tall rampart
I noticed the first boss in cot is a pain in the ass on the gnome vs druid tank, on the druid its fluied movement when moving for her attack, but on the gnome I have to run and stop to wait for her to catch up or ill run out of the circle, then run and stop again etc
might check talents again but dont think I have faster run speed on the gnome vs druid
onyx vessel
Do we have a live m+ colossus talent build or is it just Thane till s2 
mighty valley
makes sense when you don’t press thunderclap nearly as much, right
tall rampart
It's actually miserable playing the big races or small races
found this WA and tested on the dummy. Worked out if mobs are directly to the side of me it seems to count as an attack from behind
so good to know and be more careful
rose quiver
y does fury execute suck so bad
jagged pier
Why are u asking in prot channel?
pallid quiver
why does prot execute suck so bad and not just forcibly rip aggro from other tanks?
pallid quiver
jakey that means we aim to never press that button
i don't want to live in an execute-less world again
lusty furnace
Any warrior is fundamentaly flawed if it does not press Execute when it is available
pallid quiver
fury doesn't press it as long as it has most any other thing to press at all available
because it does absolute no damage and doesn't really generate much
Honestly, it would be more useful for us,
but it fucking feels bad to press
I think it's recently been outprioritized by even non-buffed Raging Blow?
lusty furnace
fury doesn't press it as long as it has most any other thing to press at all ava...
Fury is fundamentaly flawed, execute not being the top button in execute is just wrong
pallid quiver
arms is fundamentally flawed as well, then, as Blizz wants Mortal Strike to pretty much always be prio when it's available, even over execute
lusty furnace
I think that is fine honestly, you still spend the majority of casts on execute
cerulean tusk
If execute isn't the premium button you always want to press in EXECUTE PHASE, then execute has failed by design
lusty furnace
Exactlt
Idk why prot just does not have Fury Execute. The trade off on dmg vs dr is dumb
Or make it like condemn where it gives some dr idk
But yeah it should just be a generator
cerulean tusk
Fury execute is not used tho, as it is a generator fighting buttons that boost the spender
sharp gale
Fury execute is not used tho, as it is a generator fighting buttons that boost t...
I play fury in raid, I press execute when my wa bark at me
That’s it
tardy abyss
Like, if Fury suddenly starts to spam execute then what is the point of Arms
pallid quiver
Arms is THE execute spec
that's not how it was at all
until they decided to kill it
sharp gale
But it is painful it is random proc over random proc situation
pallid quiver
Execute was all Warriors (except Prot) for a long ass while
Even the iconic Warrior vid is actually with a Fury War
tardy abyss
hm
pallid quiver
also, obligatory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hMqvb8QiUk
tardy abyss
I think I like the way it is right now
Fury consistent damage, Arms being the execute spec
Tho Arms execute is not actually that insane atm
sharp gale
I don’t like cd reduction being random proc over another random proc, downtime = I want to end myself
tardy abyss
And its not getting better on the PTR
sharp gale
oh you don’t have bladestorm for this because this pull it was unlucky
tardy abyss
Is it that inconsistent for Slayer Fury?
sharp gale
It is consistent
If you attack
But like on kyvesa
And you lose everything if you switch target at 2 buff on the initial one
So what I do is I hit execute before switching to consume it, but… sometime you don’t have the sudden death
wicked pollen
<:blizzdesign:745704462613741648>
gm
wicked pollen
gm @cerulean tusk
night heron
Hello, I'm about to start tanking Mythic Ansurek as pwarr.
I just wanted to know how hard it would be to tank all Feast casts compared to all Liquefy casts.
The other tank is a BDK but he's new in the roster so the raid leader would like me to take all Feasts from P1, this way I'll be the one moving boss.
How doable is that?
ionic fern
Easy.
Just SW+Block+IP. Send a IV to help healers out after each and use LS/HS/pot if needed.
More or less DemoShout also lines up with it.
The damage intake after a Feast is w/e so as long as you don't get one shot you're fine.
If you're not comfortable, use Defender's Aegis as the 2 charges of Shield Wall line up perfectly.
night heron
Alright thanks for the run down! I take note of the Defender's Aegis tip, can be handy because I'm not sure I'll have SW for every cast
ionic fern
It's the second one that can be tricky with Impenetrable.
But yeah,Defender's Aegis eliminates that issue. Can always swap around after you feel more comfortable down the progress.
ember token
Hello, I'm about to start tanking Mythic Ansurek as pwarr.
I just wanted to know...
Feasts are quite easy to take to be honest. I use DS (pop it quickly on pull to get it back for 1st) + SW and IP stacked with SB. As Mwahi said you can get LS->IV to help but generally it wasnt needed. A bark pre-hit is also great.
As for Aegis I used that on first kill but to be fair, it was never required... but a great learning curve for progress
night heron
Great, with Aegis I should be fine then. I'll try to line up Demoshout properly as well and call for an external pre-tankbusters if I feel like healers are struggling to top me up
slender flicker
why does it throw you off the platform at the last boss in ara cara when you jump?
On use leap on 0,5 sec?
cerulean tusk
I jump the moment I see 0.9, the bump happens at 1.05 - never failed me
I spent too much time trying to get the grip to pull me in, and have the leap landing animation still go off on the boss
Had a mate who said that happened to him all the time. Just not when I asked him to prove it, and I helped trying to reproduce it
I am going to miss that boss, a good boss for warrior
slender flicker
Ty guys 😀
cerulean tusk
what poision do to you, huh?
Just AMS 
and deaths Advance
- Oh, and on topic of PTR, nome you tested how it is now?
I haven't had will to test tank just yet
Maybe now that the scaling in 12s is 678, but I got so tired of ppl just flopping left, right and center
hardy snow
- Oh, and on topic of PTR, nome you tested how it is now?
they didn't revert strategist nerf, so it's still bad 
strong forum
I mostly clapped a bit of aoe which was fine
Didn't do ST cuz bear stole my dummy
I don't test dungeons cuz there's not much to gain from how the class plays
Nobody knows the mechanics and shit is un/overtuned
So it's random data
cerulean tusk
Fair, only the feel of the dungs themselves. And a headache watching ppl fail mechanics
I am going to try and see how DPS feels in m+ as col and thane with full scaled gear tho
I am curious
onyx vessel
Wheres the live m+ colossus build @strong forum
remote anchor
on wowhead probably
cerulean tusk
You want a col build, or you just asking him to update the site?
onyx vessel
A col build
cerulean tusk
You want Nome's build, or just a top player?
cerulean tusk
CkEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYEDAAAAzMzMmZGMbzsMzMzyCjhpxgxMAWGzMDYmZMDMDDAAAAAAYmBAYZbDwAsYGDLwAzwCN2YWA
enjoy
onyx vessel
vale escarp
junior viper
is there a max dps max for thane? im only doing 10s for crests and surviving is very easy
build*
glacial skiff
is there a max dps max for thane? im only doing 10s for crests and surviving is ...
If you’re only doing 10’s you should try out a colossus build if surviving is easy for you. It does noticeably more damage if played right.
junior viper
ill give it ago
topaz latch
are you guys using the ironclaw whetstone or the algari mana oil, for your weapon oil/stone?
dark barn
Ngl after the huge nerfs in the content i usually do (10-12 keys) i totally changed my perspective. Now i couldnt careless about m+ perfomance cause will be easy as hell and im thinking only about how do better in mythic raiding
round pendant
raid tanking is even easier 
ionic fern
It's easy to raid tank,yes - but parsing can be challenging.
violet ginkgo
Yeah I think, I heard a lot about raid tanking is easy, the hard part actually you have to pray those dpses know what they should do.
ionic fern
Yeah. And parsing can be tricky in fights where you have adds that count.
Especially if those adds get wrecked by some burst dps'ers.
Looking at you #fury.
plush tendon
the hard part about raid tanking, is making sure you are at every raid night
you get 0 nights off
whereas DPS and healers might be cycled in and out during prog
tanks are always there... if one is out (especially on a prog boss) raids might just call the night and be like 'naw, not worth it'
dark barn
There's always some fight with a problem you need to solve to avoid 345 wipes. Like surviving as a prot war in experiments of aberrus
plush tendon
it really wasnt that bad
co-tank just needed to be aware
and give you good resets
dark barn
I was bad and my cotank too
dark barn
Omg
wooden widget
Between pally and pwar does it really matter who’s taking infest/ gorge?
jagged pier
No
bleak delta
thanks for all the help gents, its been a tier 🙇♂️
sharp gale
Looking at you <#148898695696482305>.
Im paid to be ST on ovinax and rash
The good side of having burst phase shorter than me in bed
unique tree
sharp gale
you get 0 nights off
Any dps with a tank spec can replace you and do as good but they would kill themselves even if it’s just a night, (our dh warned us after 1 night of ovinax and mt benched)
dark barn
Most of the dps know nothing about the tank rotation, mechanics and dont have the gear (like a good shield for prot)
plush tendon
most of the time, its just positioning shit
also depends on the fight
like maybe you dont throw a dps as tank for a night of Nelth prog
round pendant
thanks for all the help gents, its been a tier 🙇♂️
how did you manage to take such a low quality screenshot
urban bane
thanks for all the help gents, its been a tier 🙇♂️
grats! ggs
sharp gale
how did you manage to take such a low quality screenshot
I think he increased size of the screenshot
sharp gale
If he is not used to screenshots, he does print screen, go in paint and take the part he wants, if he increase the size because he thinks it’s too small it makes that
Or it’s just a stream vod screen since not everyone thinks to take it when it pops
limpid ruin
like maybe you dont throw a dps as tank for a night of Nelth prog
Ya he would be crazy enough to do that 
waxen frigate
480p gamers still exist
Yogicore
lofty warren
So... no changes to the annoying mobs in cinderbeer or deletion of the mine cart in candle dungeon or missing graveyards added to the rookerery or ability for m+ only to get mythic items without playing the weekly lottery?
dusky canopy
M+ renown track would go hard!
lofty warren
Rep give mythic gear?
dusky canopy
Ye eventually
tribal wharf
Yogicore
i play in native computer monitor resolution and hz sir
whatever my monitor supports
this is the one im playing now for ps2
tardy abyss
Looks like a PS1 game
wicked pollen
hi can you play the nier games
tribal wharf
this is what it took for me to want to learn chinese war
i mean, look how awesome this is
tardy abyss
hi can you play the nier games
Does that include Drakengard
tribal wharf
no, is there any particular reason to play nier
tardy abyss
Nier Replicant is okay-ish
Automata is really good
Dunno how good the Drakengard games are
tribal wharf
generally i perfer something that you play as a manly man witha sword or a gun or a laser weapon
and if its not that im probably not into it
tardy abyss
Then everything except automata is for you
wicked pollen
Does that include Drakengard
i think so ya
tardy abyss
I need to play the Drakengard games sometime
tribal wharf
i also like games that you can strategize, like fallout is a good example, or socom navy seals for psp, final fantasy tactics for ps1? ps2? (had for psp)
but not so much those games these days, some times, use to play them more in past
FFT is really good, great on psp, if your attack goes wrong just power cycle psp. did that on many games matter of fact
basically ch eating, arguably even
tribal wharf
oh, i also like some shmups too (space ship shooters, not quite on rails but extremely linear i mean, being propelled forwards constantly)
but i was spoiled by raptor call of the shadows
skill based and hp bar and ran better than any other of same genre
sharp gale
Nier automata is in my top 5 games even before I think about what is my top 5
mighty valley
yeah it slogs in parts but the ending is worth it
sharp gale
I got burnt out on the 2nd playthrough of the game with 9s
I never thought about it as a second playthrough maybe it’s why I really enjoyed it
tardy abyss
I got burnt out on the 2nd playthrough of the game with 9s
Understandable but ending C is worth it big time
urban portal
Yeah I think it’s time to read the wiki
tardy abyss
Thats lame
sharp gale
That’s a thing when my friend do it in a coop survival game I just quit
small steeple
For m+ Col, Show of force is taken over thunderlord right? @strong forum
wicked pollen
yeah
sharp gale
REVENGE
vocal cave
if it has revenge in it, you pick it
sharp gale
It no longer increase rage cost from what I understood of this week tuning
vocal cave
after the patch class tree too
small steeple
if it has revenge in it, you pick it
What about that class talent that makes it cost more? It won’t in 11.1 but atm on live it does
small steeple
Oh, I was just uncertain about it because Col has less rage in general, so making revenge more expensive seemed… dangerous
mighty valley
it’s a pretty big hit defensively since you lose excess rage for ip but probably sustainable for pure pumping
small steeple
Ah
urban portal
Next patch is good tho
small steeple
Yeah, sidearm is so mid, making it not cost more will make it a clear winner
urban portal
Sidearm prob a bit better for thane since you press revenge less but who knows
strong forum
For m+ Col, Show of force is taken over thunderlord right? <@192743144276623360>
ye
is more dmg
lofty warren
What's verdict on ignore pain next patch? Is it gonna be big sad or did they fix
tardy abyss
Based on Yodas stress test it seems fine
strong forum
colossus seems fine, thane kinda iffy
cyan bronze
For m+ Col, Show of force is taken over thunderlord right? <@192743144276623360>
I’ve seen some ppl take thunderlord
but it’s ass
cerulean tusk
Thunderlord aint ass, but I can understand why some chose not to take it
jagged gust
The overwhelming opinion when thunderbird was first buffed was that it was still ass
obsidian girder
hey, on even ilvl skarmorak or mark of kardros is a feely thing or anything really better ? talking dungeons
cerulean tusk
Skarmork got more passive stats
obsidian girder
yeah and the otherone more on use
cerulean tusk
Up to you, if you feel overall is more important - or the oppertunity from the on-use
obsidian girder
ok feelcraft here we go 😄
cerulean tusk
As it is based on your play - you kinda got to feel it
this thing is growing on me tho, keeps procing during demo - prob why, but it feels good when it does so often
small steeple
this thing is growing on me tho, keeps procing during demo - prob why, but it fe...
Love that trinket on my bdk
cerulean tusk
Having it proc during crusader, with Bloodbeast up - is infinite damage
waxen frigate
Based on Yodas stress test it seems fine
tardy abyss
¯_(ツ)_/¯
tardy abyss
Me when I have no brain cells
your neck must be insane with how much youre shrugging then
waxen frigate
your neck must be insane with how much youre shrugging then
tardy abyss
haha
vocal cave
where yoda picks random talents to get attention
and plays aldrachi reaver xD
lofty warren
What tier will pwar be in m+ next patch if it goes live as is?
Archon already shows it as b tier now
lofty warren
Actually I don't really care pwar or not. I'm just looking for what the top tier specs will be for tank
vocal cave
what content
lofty warren
M+
lofty warren
Ppal nerfs have already been posted tho
vocal cave
keys probably wont be gated by tank dying
lofty warren
Buy they nerfed ppal dps too
lofty warren
Is there a better website?
tardy abyss
All these stat websites are bad
Because they give no context
But I lowkey expect dh to be meta
vocal cave
actually if dk dont die to melees dk can be good too
tardy abyss
Eventually they will die do melees
lofty warren
Which hero spec of DH is the good one next patch? The one that requires you to burn all your defensives to do dps or the one that forces you to use throw glaive in dps rotation?
vocal cave
things will get tunned still, too early to tell
vocal cave
Which hero spec of DH is the good one next patch? The one that requires you to b...
for m+ probably fel scarred still, for raid aldrachi
lofty warren
They should delete fel scarred and give the double sigils + talent that puts enemy mobs abilities on cd when they are stopped with a cc. And also whatever else they have in s3 last xpac.
lofty warren
Your welcome
hardy snow
11% 
raw parcel
So with current PTR tuning, where we at? Hard to keep up given all the changes.
vocal cave
mid
hardy snow
So with current PTR tuning, where we at? Hard to keep up given all the changes.
numbers will be fine, fun will be worse than now
raw parcel
numbers will be fine, fun will be worse than now <a:nodders:1203465365091389460>
Sadge. But honestly, numbers matter to me, so less sadge than it could be. Thank you.
mild river
At least DH is fun. Gotta lv up a paladin, but its gameplay is not my cup of tea. Slow war def is a no for me. Sadly, bc I LOVED to tank as war this season.
dark barn
this thing is growing on me tho, keeps procing during demo - prob why, but it fe...
Ignore pain healing procs this?
cerulean tusk
All I know is that it got 25% uptime
small steeple
At least DH is fun. Gotta lv up a paladin, but its gameplay is not my cup of tea...
ppally has a higher apm then pwar even
bleak delta
how did you manage to take such a low quality screenshot
took it off our monks stream, forgot to take one during the kill itself xD
waxen frigate
ppally has a higher apm then pwar even
theyre very comparable
strong forum
The diff with pwar apm to other apms is, it's not just fast gcds but also off-gcds
waxen frigate
The diff with pwar apm to other apms is, it's not just fast gcds but also *off-g...
tbf so is ppal
small steeple
The diff with pwar apm to other apms is, it's not just fast gcds but also *off-g...
one word: bear
strong forum
Sure but bear still isn't fast
small steeple
ironfur rage spam is insane, especially in big aoe with incarn
strong forum
Sure but it's mostly spam
waxen frigate
strong forum
No real rotation as thrash doesn't have cd, unless you start properly playing the game
And raze/if properly
Instead of just stacking 12 IFs and waste 5 of em 
Or im just talking out of my ass, could also be 
cyan bronze
comparing rotational spams is such a waste of time tho
cyan bronze
And raze/if properly
most ppl dont play raze/tnc in high keys
strong forum
Sounds pretty stupid
cyan bronze
& typically you send ironfur semi intelligently
like if ure just perma dumping youll run into times where you want if stack cap and are @ like 3-4
dark barn
I losed some IQ playing bear. The spam is real. Its like moonfire trash mangle moonfire trash moonfire moonfire trash mangle... and ironfur each 2-3 secs...
dark barn
Moonfire its the revenge of bear. Its better than swipe and reduces the cd of Lunar beam.
strong forum
swipe shouldnt even be bound
dark barn
This doenst make sense how this will make you lose rage
strong forum
cuz moonfire procs itself from GG
dark barn
Moonfire will not stop procs if you press moonfire
strong forum
so youre just using a GCD to press a button that will proc itself anyway
meaning you gain nothing except "using it early"
tribal wharf
for the longest time that was pwar, send abilities in hopes of reset other ability to hit
dark barn
There's no other button to press except maul and is very poor in arcane bear
I usually press maul if i have excessive stacks of ironfur
And thats it
tribal wharf
bear consecration is weird
karmic plinth
maul hits super hard
strong forum
isnt maul literally more dmg on 1 target than any other button until like 9 targets
except raze ofc
karmic plinth
i think it has the same AP scaling that a 40 rage execute has
karmic plinth
or at least it did in df
raven sluice
so youre just using a GCD to press a button that will proc itself anyway
Didn't they stop the GG self casting like 3 tiers ago?
karmic plinth
they brought it back
strong forum
nop
im reading Dreamgrove as we speak
and nothing suggests that you should press moonfire manually unless you have LITERALLY nothing
raven sluice
Good for range aggro
strong forum
well duh
raven sluice
Ok it's like that...
karmic plinth
yer think it was same as exe in df
tribal wharf
if its talented maul gives a shield for 25% of its dmg :S
dark barn
and nothing suggests that you should press moonfire manually unless you have LIT...
If you press maul more often you will lose IF cause maul eats a lot of rage. Maul dont do aoe dmg, ironfur does and additionally arcane bear dont spec some useful talenta like tooth and claw and raze
karmic plinth
toi is not as much dam as maul is
strong forum
for the sake of argument
what is better
20 dmg on 20 targets
or 400 dmg on 1 target
dark barn
Im not saying maul is dead but you just cant hit it with high frequency to spend gcds. Its not easy to maintain 4 stacks of ironfur outside of incarnation if you cast maul
karmic plinth
u absolutely do not need 4 stacks of if
round pendant
idk I think bear is pretty similar to pwar
my ironfur and IP are on the same button
karmic plinth
2 stacks of if gets u to like 65% armour dr
round pendant
druid feels even spammier
karmic plinth
3 stacks gets u to 67%
strong forum
druid feels even spammier
cuz it has a less engaged rotation
Bear is the Fury Warrior of tanks
round pendant
if needs it's duration increased
dark barn
Okay maybe i can press more mauls. But the important point i was trying to bring is that bear is super boring and you spam less buttons and spam more times
strong forum
that is indeed true
bear is very spammy and static in the way it plays
not much variation
karmic plinth
if needs it's duration increased
good news for you
round pendant
is that new
karmic plinth
it was there in df
karmic plinth
theres also this talent u never take
round pendant
yeah druid tree is wack iirc
karmic plinth
except for toi padding
dark barn
I played to 10s and 11s and geared 630 and was feeling very "is that what i want? spamming like hell?"
round pendant
druid is more for the vibes of being a bear
every single druid tank I've played with has been god awful at the game though
dark barn
Could be relaxing if you dont want to make decisions
karmic plinth
u have some rly solid utility for playing with the group
dark barn
u have some rly solid utility for playing with the group
I liked that, the cc was lame tho
strong forum
Could be relaxing if you dont want to make decisions
thats bear
very simple to get by, kinda same as warri
round pendant
kinda vibing with colossus now that I figured it out a bit
dark barn
Ngl the colossus shockwave with very low cd iss dopaminergic
strong forum
well you should always play short shockwave cd
the range increase alone is worth it
dark barn
Talking about the colossus rtalent
round pendant
I wish people used stops more
strong forum
but yes its nice to know that shockwave is a BIG stop as colossus
dark barn
Knock up and reduce cd
karmic plinth
colossus reminds me of playing shadowlands prot with seismic reverb except your block uptime isnt miserable
sorry i should specify pre banner
small steeple
Wasn’t there a point going into dfs1 from pre patch that people thought shockwave could be a potential alternate to roar and spear? Because it had those damage amp nodes right?
cyan bronze
except for toi padding
don’t take it for toi padding
because of what you have to give up
cyan bronze
A FUCKING SOUL
Abt the trinket¿
small steeple
I wish people used stops more
I wished people kicked more
cyan bronze
i hate to break it to you
strong forum
Abt the trinket¿
ye
strong forum
hell naw
strong forum
cyan bronze
im aware
strong forum
defensive loss my ass
small steeple
I wished people kicked more
In a 12
strong forum
it grants a 2mil magic absorb every few seconds
strong forum
stein too bugged
?
small steeple
So are cantrip damage trinkets with the tank tax
strong forum
thatll be fixed
strong forum
yeah i found my trinket combo for the patch
dont even have to think twice
tome + house of cards
grizzled nova
tome?
vocal cave
will be tuned
grizzled nova
I assumed this one, but more asking is it that good - also to one use trinkets?
strong forum
tome isnt on the gcd
and eye wont be tuned because it takes a while to ramp
it wont be good on short bosses
grizzled nova
tome isnt on the gcd
trinkets generally lock each other out for 30s tho no?
strong forum
but will be extremely good on long bosses
strong forum
trinkets generally lock each other out for 30s tho no?
tome does not
and you only wanna game the on use, you dont wanna use it on CD
only when you need to
its like a conditional stat stick
that you need to flip in order to keep the good benefit
which is why it doesnt incur CD on other trinkets
cyan bronze
always go big dam
ofc
currently idk if stein is droppable, and idt tank players would choose to play tomer over bombsuit
if stein is fixed its tome+bombsuit for most people prob
strong forum
no youd run scrapfield/ house of cards
also tome only mostly for raid
in m+ its iffy
strong forum
which one
strong forum
ye
ah okay they fixed bombsuit
it actually absorbs something now wowwee
finally a decent tank trinket
for turbo omega absorbing you go bombsuit+ scrapfield
damn trinkets actually look good for once
unborn island
I've just done a dB and an Ak, and in both dungeons, I've charged into a pack with a tankbuster (extraction strike/rush) and immediately clapped, only for the healer to get instagibbed instantly.
Other than just always pulling with leap...is there a way around this?
unborn island
Healer was priest both times so idk if something to do with that or am I just bad
strong forum
unborn island
Like I charge +clap and they just immediately smash the healer
strong forum
then you need to pull earlier
yeah nah you need to be quicker
cuz they start casting extraction strike like half a second into combat
so you need to absolutely be the first one to engage
cyan bronze
just run 5 tanks
unborn island
Whelp, guess it was my fault then, I charged them and though my clap was pretty instant, guess not
cyan bronze
for turbo omega absorbing you go bombsuit+ scrapfield
isnt scrappyfieldy ass
random absorb
🤷♂️
strong forum
scrapfield is mainstat + 70% uptime on 6% haste + guaranteed absorb every 30sec if you drop low enough to proc it
thats pretty powerful
cyan bronze
ah yea ig the stats are nice
strong forum
theres nothing random about the absorb
cyan bronze
the absorb is pre w/e tho
cyan bronze
i mean its random in that its whenever you drop below 60
strong forum
its on-pull
cyan bronze
it procs on meta for vdh
strong forum
and after every unblockable tankbuster
cyan bronze
lol
strong forum
yeah cuz VDH gets the +50% health increase
so for a servertick youre 50% hp
meaning it procs
cyan bronze
yea maybe its ok
cyan bronze
it was also
strong forum
and whenever you get kinda cheekied
cyan bronze
yea fair
cerulean tusk
That is actually kinda good - it softens things really nicely
strong forum
bomb suit only has 2.5% haste
cyan bronze
ig its prob p good for prot
strong forum
but 2.5% haste is fuckall compared to 7% mainstat + 5% haste
the saving grace of bombsuit is an actually large absorb
+partial absorb
which is proper good
cyan bronze
ya fills gaps relatively well on vdh
cyan bronze
pain
strong forum
sorry i cant hear you over my 30% uptime on SW + 100% uptime on block
cyan bronze
still not over my beef with scrapfield proccing as soon as i hit my cds
cyan bronze
actually so troll for that
strong forum
(its still mainstat)
cyan bronze
ya prob still ok
strong forum
ye
cyan bronze
prob @ ~40
assuming proc on cd, and buff doesnt go away on proccing trinket
Surely stein gets fixed so we don’t get forced into running it
strong forum
strong forum
ye
cyan bronze
are we at 100% demolish uptime yet or
strong forum
27%
strong forum
i have 40% crit
cyan bronze
thats a lot of crit man
strong forum
2 stacks
cyan bronze
init
strong forum
good news is you can get 2 SCs out in 1 tierset window
if you get lucky
and guaranteed 2 SCs with 2 tierset procs
14 SC casts in 7 minutes
dark barn
https://i.imgur.com/oX8VwkC.png
so thats what you mean about parry god
wicked pollen
hi
cerulean tusk
And then the RNG gods say no
wicked pollen
why do you have 37% sw uptime
strong forum
you dont need absorbs, when the boss just cant hit you
strong forum
why do you have 37% sw uptime
that + Defenders Aegis + Tierset = many SW
and colossus can play this talent for almost entirely free
cerulean tusk
This do be nice, I swapped to it for Col
dark barn
that + Defenders Aegis + Tierset = many SW
tier set is now activating IO?
cerulean tusk
I use it on retail, I am a happy little ball of steel
strong forum
no tierset does not activate IO
dark barn
hardy snow
how is CD on avatar now on ptr? dogshit or acceptable?
hardy snow
havent rage nerfs affected that or there was some compensation for that?
urban bane
My Life for Ire, Sir
strong forum
havent rage nerfs affected that or there was some compensation for that?
They buffed a few other sources
But in general Avatar uptime has been very much the same across multiple expansions so far
Always roughly 50-60%
Which means the same for the CD
hardy snow
at least that 
cyan bronze
Which means the same for the CD
isn’t that not necessarily true atm
with io
ig io only inflates it a few %
But
analog lantern
oh no not everbloom. The reflects on the bosses were fun but that last boss caused depleto extravaganzas
ptsd i stg
strong forum
That dungeon is pug destroyer
Took me 6 weeks to get a key better than 26 cuz either impossible affix combo or just wiping to 1st pull, 2nd boss or mages...
Then we had perfect run in a 29 but I ofc fuck it up at the mages...
strong forum
Nice
analog lantern
well bursting was easy because of priest ig
strong forum
I smell stinger aboose
analog lantern
ohh true nah I think we timed it after stinger got nerfed lmao
strong forum
analog lantern
march 22nd was that before or after
analog lantern
I got boosted by a bug sadge
strong forum
That was pretty close to season end idk so maybe was fixed
Anyway gotta bedge now
analog lantern
shit I was gonn ask though
how is prot feeling on the ptr right now? haven't really had the time to check it out
ahhh dammit
wicked pollen
goodnight
strong forum
ST both were fine ish, with thane obv being allowed to use IP still a good chunk more often
analog lantern
OK! I was interested in how avatar uptime and IP absorb compared for thane on ptr vs live, that sort of thing
toxic pewter
Trading post gonna have hunch if returning items what the best things to get
cerulean tusk
whatever you feel you want
strong forum
OK! I was interested in how avatar uptime and IP absorb compared for thane on pt...
Avatar uptime should be better cuz of tierset and the buffed proc
IP hard to gauge? Idk how you'd gauge that. If you do more dmg you're gonna have more IP. If your group sucks if the dungeon is more magic or dots etc
analog lantern
well I figured literally just hitting a dummy, doing the rotation and spamming IP, dumping all rage into it, then comparing the 'healing' (absorb)
would that even work to get some sort of comparison idk
strong forum
Useless metric cuz we have way more HP on PTR
That literally gives you 0 info about anything, a single press on PTR is 30% bigger than on live cuz well, 30% buff
Cap is still 30% max hp but we get 10% hp more for free cuz of class tree shift
That's all of the definitiv differences everything else is variables
analog lantern
can't we account for those differences due to those effects?
iron sphinx
hopefully blizzard keeps drip feeding us buffs leading up to 11.1
grim pilot
That was pretty close to season end idk so maybe was fixed
Wqs like 8 weeks or so before season ended iirc
iron sphinx
oak ivy
No more deaths to boop
cerulean tusk
gz
signal field
ive started jumping over the line on p3 queen but its like a 50% chance i actually go over without getting the dot, is there a consistant way?
dull relic
jump before you leap
and aim the end of the leap further away from the ring if ur putting the reticle just on the edge of where it ends
@signal field
signal field
ive been sending it super far thats why i was confused. I wasnt jumping so that might work better, thank you!
dull relic
if it’s like toooo too far it may also be problematic, but try to keep the like “peak” of your leap right above the ring
So like you should end about as far away from the ring as where you started from
but yea jumping for extra height is also pretty useful
signal field
👍
oak ivy
are we still anger reroll with newer blueposts or are we acceptable again
round cliff
are we still anger reroll with newer blueposts or are we acceptable again
"im rerolling" says the warrior main, not rerolling
cerulean tusk
Once you zug, you forever zug zug. For a man can only deny the zug, never remove it out of their heart.
oak ivy
I could never get the zug out of my heart but there's only a certain degree of "zug is not meta" i can accept and if zug is becoming the worst tank by far it becomes kinda hard to justify
cerulean tusk
Warrior is fine now, and will be fine next season. Just not meta
We are basically the 2nd best tank
onyx vessel
colossus 
just live with it
Seeing how squish prot pally is now
Vdh is bugged still dk 
cerulean tusk
If it becomes a tank being tanky meta, there is actually hope for us
onyx vessel
Probably 3rd for keys raid
cerulean tusk
BDK will fall off when they get overwhelmed as always
No 100% DRW with 40% baseline parry this season
onyx vessel
We shall see
cerulean tusk
Blood will be great if the limit is not tanks tanking, but DPS overall.
If it is interrupt meta, ppally will remain king.
If it is take dam and live whites, we got a slim chance
If it is all boss wooping tanks, maybe monk meta
cerulean tusk
Imagine new kite meta, then meta boys get to meta
onyx vessel
Cuz hes a noob
Col is big fun in raid still haven't tried it for m+
Rips off tank cuz execute procs
cerulean tusk
You beast
onyx vessel
Yeah I was like 10th in dps so I made fun of anyone under me
blazing condor
As you should king
round cliff
i wish vdh made any sense to me at all
i dont understand how ppl play it
what do u mean fiery brand is active mitigation??? thats a dot you're lying to me
mild river
I could never get the zug out of my heart but there's only a certain degree of "...
Like shadowlands s1 y s2. I couldn't. So I just afk the whole expansion.
brittle owl
i dont understand how ppl play it
vdh is a dps with self healing fast defensives and zoomies
there, i help
robust urchin
Yeah I was like 10th in dps so I made fun of anyone under me
This is so toxic, I'm glad blizzard is toning prot down
heavy temple
Do you use any specific macro for to alleviate some of the opener piano. Feels a bit much, when also having to move mobs
ionic fern
Nope.
ember token
This is why most of the piano vids on internet are warrior mains, we got exp with openers
ionic fern
There's a lot of things to push.
Ravager-Charge-Avatar-SS-SB-DS-Spear-SC all while spamming IP
lofty warren
m+ pwar is getting net nerfed next patch?
daring geyser
is there a shield charge + charge (+intervene w mouseover) macro that doesnt put the other on cd?
hidden linden
What do you mean "that doesn't put the other on CD"?
Either you try to put both spells in a macro
(don't do that)
Or you have a mod/conditional which will not put B on cd when you press for A
orchid mural
i use:
#showtooltip Intervene
/use [help,nodead] Intervene
/use Shield Charge
saves me a keybind
no mouseover tho for me, sorry
u can also add Charge into that macro, but i don't recommend
as sometimes charge / shield charge can overlap, and u don't get the rage from the shield charge.
daring geyser
What do you mean "that doesn't put the other on CD"?
well i've tried use something like
/cast Charge
/cast Shield Charge
but it just uses both straight up
daring geyser
thought by using shield charge i wouldnt just automatically use up charge
yeah im getting that 😛
hidden linden
You want to have different binds for those two (either with mods or with a different key entirely)
I won't post my own charge macro because I'll be roasted for it
(which i deserve)
But as Arth said you're wasting ressources (and CDs) using those two spells on the same key
daring geyser
i'll use em separately, thanks
another question, does intervene already automatically go for an enemy's target target, so by targetting an enemy fixating a friend intervene automatically goes to the player?
i.e., no need to build in [target=target] stuff?
daring geyser
thanks
hidden linden
(That's why people usually intervene on a mouseover)
daring geyser
well aware
tardy abyss
Isnt there a modifier that makes you intervene the targets target?
Not that you always wanna do that tho
sweet summit
@targetoftarget yea
onyx vessel
This is so toxic, I'm glad blizzard is toning prot down
git gud dps noobs
tardy abyss
<a:keksquad:766690598635044895> git gud dps noobs
whoooosh
robust urchin
<a:keksquad:766690598635044895> git gud dps noobs
Reported you to discord, blizzard, Costco, wal mart, taco bell, five guys, in n out, KFC, greggs, Aldi, Wendy's and Arby's
robust urchin
Sorry my bad
Reported you to tim and Hortons, circle k, metro, rabba, sobeys, Safeway, a&w, lone star Texas grill, Mary browns, Mike's, moxies
Oh and that tiktok shawarma place
Uhh Shelby's
onyx vessel
well done
strong forum
You're fucking done kid
I've called John Blizzard.
You're gonna get a serious talking to next time we see you on the playground. The slide is off limits bucko
robust urchin
I've sent his face to all the food trucks in Canada he is on the "no serve" list
violet jetty
Apologies if this has been mentioned (this channel moves very fast). Has anyone done raid testing with prot warrior on the PTR? Been watching YT videos about the nerfs and getting the impression it’s ok for AOE but sucks in single target (which is raid boss most of the time).
So how is it feeling in raids? I currently run Thane but will Colossus be better?
tardy abyss
Running Thane in raid is low-key grief
craggy harness
Reported you to tim and Hortons, circle k, metro, rabba, sobeys, Safeway, a&w, l...
You need to ban them from McDonald's too since they have better coffee then Timmie's
junior viper
is prot still button mash fun on PTR or they still going for the slow down?
cerulean tusk
Apologies if this has been mentioned (this channel moves very fast). Has anyone ...
Thane is prob not the play. On PTR you can drive both specs on ST without any issues as long you play around the ragepool.
This is 2nd hand information, but warrior under raid testing was ok. Still, the better option was unsurprisingly BDK and monk.
DPS on warrior is kinda mid outside of AoE.
cerulean tusk
is prot still button mash fun on PTR or they still going for the slow down?
It is slowed down considerably. You still use every GCD, but you must be a bit more selective on your rage usage to not trap yourself
violet jetty
This ^^ sounds a lot less fun 😦
cerulean tusk
Thane is dead, fun wise. As it lived on the reset economy. Col is fine, as it revenges either way
violet jetty
I’m more concerned about the rage starve thing. I always like to have buttons to press. That’s why I went Thane so far because all the extra rage made it very fluid.
Regardless I’ll still have heroic leap and spell reflect - so much fun. But ehhh blizz are off my Christmas card list for the slowdown
tardy abyss
What do you need leap for
cerulean tusk
Dead GCD happens if you don't pool the rage to last you. So while fluidity is down, fun is way down, you won't feel starved per se.
violet jetty
What do you need leap for
I mained a Prot paladin for over a decade. Switched this expansion and enjoying the game so much more. I am seriously loving the mobility. Charge + heroic leap = fun for me. Maybe one day it will wear off but for now I am enjoying it
cerulean tusk
If you like mobility, ya should try DH or even BDK. Yes, BDK is more mobile than warrior thanks to low CD 2 stack pony of foot
If you just like the function and feel of the effects. Yeah, that is a warrior/druid thing only
tardy abyss
Calling vdh meta next season
cerulean tusk
After the fix and nerfs, I kinda doubt that. But we will see what happens too end based on needs
tardy abyss
You mean the dps nerfs?
violet jetty
If you like mobility, ya should try DH or even BDK. Yes, BDK is more mobile than...
VDH is my favourite alt 😉 but there is something about warrior. I really like Fury as an off spec too. I mean I’m tank for life but for those occasions it is good to have options
cerulean tusk
If you tank for life, keep all the tanks as options. If you want the most out of it. Meta tanks usually happens for a good reason.
In raid being able to swap on niches is valuable. So having at least a BDK alt is worth gold
tardy abyss
all the tanks all tanks but brew
cerulean tusk
Brew is the raid tank tho
Same for BDK, who excels in content you can overgear
violet jetty
My co-tank is a BDK. His alt tank is a brewmaster. So between us we have everything but Guardian Druid available.
We don’t tend to need to switch tbh. He has for our fun runs but I haven’t bothered as I have been liking warrior too much.
cerulean tusk
Most tanks work and get the job done, so play what you have fun playing.
If you are not RWF, you are going to hilariously overgear the content to make up for most to all disadvantages in effect
Ends with you watching YouTube during prog pulls
robust urchin
Ends with you watching YouTube during prog pulls <:keks:936231610850897992>
No raid night is complete without a Dhar Mann video playing 24/7
ruby musk
I mained a Prot paladin for over a decade. Switched this expansion and enjoying ...
Charge is the best, most fun skill in the game. 20 years later and I still enjoy pressing it every time.
cyan bronze
You mean the dps nerfs?
the nerfs were w/e from what i could tell
felscarred came out of it ok idk for ar
tardy abyss
So whats stopping vdh from becoming meta then
Nothing I guess
Since ppal nerfs were pretty harsh
strong forum
Sac, bop, wog, freedom, spellward
Ykno the typical things
Next season has good trinkets and I was told less tank busters, so no reason to not bring ppal
If ppal can live and not do awful dmg, you bring ppal
tardy abyss
We will have to see how good ppal lives in higher keys
cyan bronze
will prob just end up being a dmg thing
none of the dungeons outside of maybe first pull priory+mini
strong forum
When is it ever a dmg thing
cyan bronze
are that hard
strong forum
It's always a "can the group live this"
tardy abyss
In high keys every pull is scary
cyan bronze
strictly speaking, theres just less tankbusters
a lot of the keys are a lot more healer intensive than anything else
round pendant
Wish they'd tell us how much they scaled m0 by
cyan bronze
itll prob be prot pally
unless they require so much healing that its a burden 🤷♀️
but i doubt
pallid quiver
When is it ever a dmg thing
Notably, in most cases it's a damage thing,
you can solve it by turning the issues into "can the group live this" by pulling bigger, thereby creating damage from nothing