protection

[strong forum]

And that your rage bar gets lower

[cyan bronze]

it’s just low per press ig

idk I don’t agree entirely but he’s not fully wrong

[round pendant]

any rage spender does all that except the absorb

make revenge ogcd

idk man

[cyan bronze]

Inshallah colossus will be broken

[round pendant]

IP feels meh to press, I press it cause it's optimal

[cyan bronze]

[strong forum]

Okay but spamming revenge will kill you

[harsh trellis]

It would be kind of cool if Prot had a similar talent like what fury has with whirlind, that say we hit thunderstrike the shield slam its all the targets

[strong forum]

That's your feedback

Ignore IP, die

Ignore revenge, you also die

[round pendant]

Hey I kinda like that idea

[strong forum]

The beauty is managing both

[round pendant]

but then it kinda ends up like druid I guess

[cyan bronze]

why didn’t they just increase rage cost by some % and then increase the effect of those abilities by the same %

that fixes apm

[strong forum]

There's many solutions to the problem

[cyan bronze]

why did the pick the worst nommy

[round pendant]

druid is press raze as much as you can while keeping ironfur at the bare minimum to live

[cyan bronze]

[harsh trellis]

Because people like to spam everything even if it doesnt proc

[round pendant]

if revenge was ogcd it'd be press revenge as much as possible while keeping IP up enough to live

[cyan bronze]

Mfw high key build doesn’t even talent raze

[round pendant]

I haven't played druid since df so idk

point still stands

[strong forum]

Nerf rage gen from strategist procs

Nerf strategist proc but give 2 SS charges

Make IP cost 35-70 rage

Ykno

Problem solved

[cerulean tusk]

Why you guys talking about revenge off the gcd, when goal is to reduce apm?

[cyan bronze]

I brought up variable rage cost on ip and people hated it

[strong forum]

It was literally 10-90 rage back in legion

[cyan bronze]

it should be current rage-current revenge cost(which ig doesn’t matter now)

[strong forum]

Or 10-60, can't remember

[cyan bronze]

They brought that up

[jagged pier]

90% dr too

[cyan bronze]

And said it was ass

[round pendant]

nah my point isn't that apm = bad, it's that 20%+ of your APM being IP is bad (imo) because IP FEELS unimpactful

[hardy snow]

Then make revenge off-gcd, no more IP spam 🤷‍♂️

[round pendant]

but yeah sure it's blizzards reasoning but blizzard never knows what they're talking about when it comes to class balance decisions

[jagged pier]

Reducing cd of avatar and sw, healing you and keeping you alive is unimpactful

[round pendant]

god

[cerulean tusk]

But all the changes are driven by the purpose of reducing apm. Why discuss impact feel that is subjective?

[cyan bronze]

Just make revenge do so much dmg and bruvit work without ip up and revenge off gcd that it’s never worth to press ip

Fixed prot warrior

[round pendant]

because we weren't talking about ideas with the goal of reducing apm?

I was simply talking about why the average player doesn't like prot warrior

it's not because of the APM but it could feel like that for them

[cerulean tusk]

Just put everything on GCD, and increase GCD to 2 sec. I solved the CPM issue

[round pendant]

since they don't understand the spec

I never said IP IS unimpactful

[cyan bronze]

ok final fantasy

[cerulean tusk]

Never played FF, is that why they are doing it? To lure in those players?

[cyan bronze]

no they just have a long gcd

but more ogcd

I believe

[harsh trellis]

Wonder if the post was meant to put the prot warrior community into a tizzy to get feedback to try to figure out what to do lol.

[cyan bronze]

could of just made changes to thane and colossus independently

honestly

full spec changes are genuinely so bad for this spec

autocorrect is tweaking.

[round pendant]

I like IP and that spending rage reduces CDs and having lots of rage but I don't like how the rotation as it is railroads you into pressing IP since your SS/Tclap are up so often and you'd never press revenge over them. Not to mention it's happening CONSTANTLY so you have a natural minimum of like 15 CPM on IP lol

maybe I should just play colossus though

[hardy snow]

they already got few weeks of feedback mostly criticizing these changes 🤷‍♂️

[strong forum]

The issue exists that we don't have any spenders besides revenge ip and execute yes

But

[hardy snow]

Yes

[strong forum]

The solution is a way bigger thing than just touching the current set of abilities we have

And nerfing strategist mid xpac is not ut

And then not give us a full rework like many other classes have received

[hardy snow]

Blizz can make "both sides" happy with Colossus being slower and Thane being faster, just make Colo more competetive in defense matter and Thane in offense

But that would require undesrtanding differences in both hero talents and how they impact rest of the spec

[jagged gust]

the answer is give prot rampage

[round pendant]

And my whole point was that a newer/worse player might see themselves spamming IP and not understand the CDR part of it and this is the majority of the feedback blizz receives

hence the shitty balancing ideas from blizz

[stoic pilot]

I was a little confused that warrior had more rage gen than at the end of an expansion with how thane was but I feel like I’d rather spam IP and hit shield slam and thunderclap more than spam revenge

[strong forum]

But colossus is right there

[stoic pilot]

This is coming from a non career prot warrior so maybe a “new player” take on it

[strong forum]

Colossus doesn't spam IP

Cuz they got an actually very powerful spender

[round pendant]

I feel like blizz gave up on hero talents like a month into the expac

lmao

[stoic pilot]

But Revenge actually feels like trash for thane

[strong forum]

They just didn't consider colossus at all

[waxen frigate]

They gave up before the xpac

[limpid ruin]

Ya but wowhead says to play thane so colossus doesn’t exist for most players

[strong forum]

It's so bad

[stoic pilot]

And it didn’t feel good to press really at all for me in DF

[round pendant]

Yeah you can see messages from me going back 2 years complaining about revenge sucking

[strong forum]

I think I've been fairly honest about hero talents on wowhead

[round pendant]

wet noodle ability

[stoic pilot]

It just feels like revenge would benefit from being an ogcd as a spender

Or something

it just feels so clunky in the rotation

[limpid ruin]

Tbh I was just using “wowhead” as a catch all for meta

[strong forum]

Bring back focused rage

[stoic pilot]

At least pre hero talents

[limpid ruin]

I forgot you wrote the guide lol

[strong forum]

[stoic pilot]

[hardy snow]

Speaking of wowhead, where is our "11.1 Changes Reviewed - Guide Writer Feedback"?

[strong forum]

Uuuh m

[round pendant]

lmao

[hardy snow]

That would be cool, no way they will ever do that.

[stoic pilot]

Bring back glad stance xdd

[round pendant]

no

[cerulean tusk]

I think nome going to give so much positive feedback

[round pendant]

what about 2-charge revenge oGCD

🤔

and reskin it when in thane to be a lightning effect

and it goes ZAP

pogging

[hardy snow]

Btw. Blizz said "We feel that reducing Shield Slam’s prominence in the rotation will allow for Revenge and other abilities to fill the rotation and serve to consume excess Rage."
which "other abilities" they actually mean? Like they want us to use rage on slam or what?

[stoic pilot]

Got no clue

I scratched my head at that too

Speaking of stances is it just me or does battle stance just feel like a shell of what it was

It kinda feels stupid to just drop 16% dr for like 2% dmg increase

[hardy snow]

More like def stance just got stronger

so the diff isnt that much anymore

[stoic pilot]

It made more sense when dstance had a 5% modifier reduction on it

[strong forum]

Corporate talk

[round pendant]

They should just remove stances

[stoic pilot]

Yeah I know that’s kinda what I mean

[strong forum]

I still sit in bstance as Colossus, crits are beeg

[stoic pilot]

Yeah I just wish it did a bit more

[strong forum]

But yeah they completely fumbled stances

[round pendant]

I don't think I've used bstance in tww

[strong forum]

You can't do stances well

[round pendant]

I never used dstance in DF

well other than for certain tankbusters

[toxic pewter]

did somebody say stances

[strong forum]

It's just a macro if you go back to ability limits

[stoic pilot]

stances would have to actually alter abilities or something to actually be a meaningful thing i feel

[strong forum]

If it's not a limit, we get DF

And if they're too shitty, we get tww

There's no winning

[round pendant]

bstance should give you 20% more damage against single targets

poggers

[toxic pewter]

remove stances 2025

[stoic pilot]

battle stance turns ignore pain into focused rage xd

[strong forum]

Bstance makes SS cleave up to 3 targets

[harsh trellis]

Battle Stance + Colossus + Fueled by violence on mythic brood with adds.

[strong forum]

D-stance makes sw longer duration and blocks more powerful, and alters IP to leech more from dmg output

Idk

That's too complicated

Blizzard would hate it

Tanks have to be dumb

[hardy snow]

Yea, and that would be meaningful choices that they say they want to give us

[harsh trellis]

Our mythic + in the future is going to be packs of 1 mob roaming around.

[strong forum]

You mean this

[hardy snow]

My mythic+ as tank in S2 will be 4 weekly keys with guildmates, more only as dps

[strong forum]

[stoic pilot]

Dude our m+ right now is hold W because you have enough count in a key to skip either pack 1 or pack 2 and that’s it

it’s so lame trying to do any routing

[strong forum]

Yuuuuuup

Pointless af

Just play safe and key is also timed

[stoic pilot]

Dude

[harsh trellis]

even as prot though! You hit all the adds, your dps will cry lookin at details. Wish I could get Pi

[stoic pilot]

We did a 17 ara last night, and I fell off the first web bridge while gathering

and we still time

[strong forum]

Yeah I wish I'd get to play tank in mythic

[stoic pilot]

this season is hilarious

[strong forum]

Would style on so many nerds

But arms is just fine aswell

Love arms

[round pendant]

not in my pugs

Arms is good now?

[strong forum]

Always has been

[harsh trellis]

Arms has been awesome

[round pendant]

I liked it in prepatch when it was busted

I should try it again but fury is so effortlessly decent

that I just default to playing fury lmao

[strong forum]

I'm a fury hater

So

[round pendant]

I don't really think the spec is super well designed or anything

but if I just want to turn brain off and hit mobs

https://tenor.com/view/aaaa-hola-como-andy-martino-dance-gif-18551524

[strong forum]

If I want to turn brain off I don't play vidya

[strong forum]

Me as arms on ovinax

Or me as prot everywhere

Just perma vibin

[round pendant]

Prot is comfy too

Most of my stress in m+ comes from other people griefing

[strong forum]

I don't stress in m+ anymore

At all

[round pendant]

just feels bad when you mistime by 1 minute cause some guy's been throwing the entire dungeon

[strong forum]

I'm beyond stressing keys

[harsh trellis]

I try to go to 12 and stop.

[strong forum]

I just say NT and go next

[stoic pilot]

it only really feels bad when you’re pugging

once you get a static group depletes feel less bad

[harsh trellis]

thats true

[stoic pilot]

our group is vibing and we’re playing a scuffed ass comp

[round pendant]

Yeah I finally had 3 friends playing at once last week

and it was really fun

[stoic pilot]

even tho we deplete

[round pendant]

even if the singular random guys we had to take repeatedly grief us

[strong forum]

The best comps, cuz you know everyone is enjoying what they're playing

[stoic pilot]

oh for sure it’s insanely fun

brew pres outlaw feral sham

fun to have to think outside the box

[strong forum]

That's about as scuffed as my bfa comp

Pwar rsham fmage feral boomy

[round pendant]

I don't know why we're failing +10s tho

[stoic pilot]

hell yeah

[round pendant]

it's kinda insane how big of a negative impact ONE guy can have on the group

shaman doing 750k dps and dying repeatedly in GB

mistimed it by 45 seconds

[strong forum]

That's impressive

[harsh trellis]

Do you check their Io score?

[strong forum]

Can't even be mad

[round pendant]

yeah they were like 2700

[strong forum]

Okay but, logs

[stoic pilot]

if you want my opinion as someone who actually vets people for stream keys

[strong forum]

I don't invite pugs that arent atleast 4/8M

[stoic pilot]

if you’re inviting a meta player

you check logs

if you’re inviting off meta

io is more relevant

[round pendant]

yeah I wasn't in charge of forming those keys

[stoic pilot]

2700 off meta = well over 3k+ meta usually

ahh

[strong forum]

Honestly the 4/8M is already a good indicator, cuz any capable player who does care about the character does pug 4/8M

[round pendant]

It's just nuts how one dude is the diffference between a 25 minute time vs a 35 minute complete shitshow

[stoic pilot]

that’s true, can hit some wildcards though who don’t raid for some reason

[strong forum]

Yeah but those are special special

[round pendant]

I haven't pugged mythic since s1 df

[stoic pilot]

ran into one of the best dps i’ve ever played with and she was 2.7 so i’m forever gambling

[round pendant]

[stoic pilot]

needle in a haystack type a vibe

[strong forum]

Ye I always gamble with off-meta, I prefer inviting off-meta people just for the fun of it

Be the good you wanna see in the world type shit

[round pendant]

Still, even depleting is fun if you're with friends is what I noticed

[stoic pilot]

it’s usually pretty sad

[strong forum]

Love me some ww monks or spriests

[stoic pilot]

so many off meta players are so good too

just actually oppressed by this tier list shit

[strong forum]

Many hidden gems who never pushed

Or got to push

[round pendant]

I've noticed most FOTM players are actually awful at the game

[strong forum]

Cuz they know how much effort pushing is

[round pendant]

the best guy I played with this entire season was a ww monk lmao

[strong forum]

And it's mostly not worth it

[round pendant]

actually no, 2nd best

[strong forum]

Correct

[round pendant]

best was an arms warrior guy

[stoic pilot]

well our spriest put it into words

in df

he pugged into a full meta comp and went from having to use every defensive perfectly with us (no aug) to literally never having to disperse because their aug kept him alive permanently

full meta just facilitates lazy play almost always

in non r1 keys obv

and it trickles down

[strong forum]

Yeah

[round pendant]

I only care about 10s (12s next season), I invite based on if we need lust or whatever

[strong forum]

I played my first high key together with andys group in DF S3, everbloom +25 2 chested it. It was so fucking easy and comfortable to blitz through it

[round pendant]

I'm too lazy to check logs most of the time tho and I kinda feel like I shouldn't have to for 10s

10s are so easy

[strong forum]

Meanwhile with pugs or my own group it was a massive fucking struggle to even 1chest

[round pendant]

idk how boosters do it

one guy can literally grief so hard

[strong forum]

Eeeh

Either let the booster afk

And 4 man the key

Or just... Do more dam

Don't CR the buyer

[round pendant]

Bosses are insanely slow with 2dps

[strong forum]

Eh

[stoic pilot]

at 10s?

[strong forum]

Not if your group is capable

[stoic pilot]

that just means your damage is low

[strong forum]

Yeah

[round pendant]

what's good ST dps 🤔

[strong forum]

A good dps does 1.2mil+ dps

[stoic pilot]

10s with an afk boost is about a 2 1/2 min boss still

[round pendant]

I do 1.2m-ish

but I never see other people do like more than 900k

over a whole boss fight

[strong forum]

Yeah

That's almost tank dmg

[stoic pilot]

yep

[cerulean tusk]

M+? Yeah, too much downtime usually, because of tank movement and what not

[round pendant]

when I play dps I mean

[stoic pilot]

if your healer and tank do relevant dps and your 2 dps aren’t sandbagging

you still 2 chest almost 3 chest most 10s

[cerulean tusk]

You 2 chest if all DPS and you do 1 million, so don't worry about 10s

[hardy snow]

Imma good dps then

[round pendant]

This is just not my experience

[strong forum]

You know the context was ST dps

[cerulean tusk]

usually it is one DPS at 2 mill, me as tank at 1-1.5, and DPS doing less than 900k

[strong forum]

[round pendant]

all dps doing 1m overall isn't enough

[hardy snow]

oh, sorry, I thought it was about M+

[strong forum]

St in m+

[waxen frigate]

I love doing like 500k as a 610 vdh on bosses and then looking at details and I’m in second

[hardy snow]

me dumb

[stoic pilot]

i’m a dps alt and I do 2m overall

dps mains should do around 2m+ overall usually

1.2m st

[strong forum]

Unless you have 2-3 wipes and miss the 2 chest

[round pendant]

tbh my st damage is bad as prot

[harsh trellis]

dps doing 1 mil overall for the entire key?

[round pendant]

I think I've failed 50% of my keys with my friends as 4man + 1 pug

recently

[harsh trellis]

got any logs?

[round pendant]

the logs are so scuffed cause the overtimed keys just make it seem like people are doing 0 dps

[harsh trellis]

thats ok, 1 should work

[cerulean tusk]

[lusty grotto]

🤔

https://tenor.com/view/smokebomb-im-out-ready-to-fight-gif-15479694

[waxen frigate]

Rogue was 629 btw

[strong forum]

It is yes

[waxen frigate]

And not afk

[strong forum]

That's just fact

[lusty grotto]

your face a is a fact

[strong forum]

Need a fact checker on that one stat

[lusty grotto]

wow i couldnt enlighs

ok im leaving

[cerulean tusk]

Sort by bracket, and show ya meanie

[waxen frigate]

I’m on mobile

Do it for me

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3hnfGYWrAN7THtb1?fight=2&type=damage-done

[cerulean tusk]

Same

[waxen frigate]

Then cope

[cerulean tusk]

No

I seeethe

[round pendant]

I think on logs I average like 600k on bosses

that's bad as thane right

maybe 650k

lol

[strong forum]

Nah

That's about as much as you expect as thane

[round pendant]

oh

sick

[strong forum]

Like our m+ st dmg is pretty whack

[cerulean tusk]

600k is what I normally see, as I presume we talking st

[round pendant]

sure would be nice if my holy priest friend would dps

[cerulean tusk]

Imagine asking a hpriest to DPS. If they wanted to DPS, clearly Disco would be the play

[round pendant]

the biggest issue I see with puggers is just a complete refusal to pop CDs

[round pendant]

he refuses to play disc

he loves holy

[cerulean tusk]

This is fair, we play warrior

We can't judge

[round pendant]

it's weird tho cause on ez packs he'll dps and do like 700k

and be like

LOOK AT MY DPS

[mental scarab]

Chad tank wdm

[cerulean tusk]

Chad under the bridge 🌉🌉

[round pendant]

wiping on 2nd boss of NW is so tilting

what the fuck is that runback blizz

[cerulean tusk]

Just grip in the adds, dont be bad

[round pendant]

My DK friend loves to argue

I'll say "grip in that add"

there'll be one add off in narnia

he says "which one"

what the fuck are you talking about which one???

THERE'S ONLY ONE

and he'll argue saying I should use the ping system and that it's not his fault he can't read my mind

am I insane in thinking if there's only one mob that's not grouped it's kinda fucking obvious?

[old juniper]

Seems obvious. I never have to specify with the DK I run with. It’s probably also a good idea to prioritize the crossbowman too since the mages can (and should) be kicked and are likely being focused first.

[cerulean tusk]

Just tell him to interrupt 1st mage and grip 2nd

[tardy abyss]

Or use grip for the first add wave, abom for 2nd and grips for 3rd

gg

[cerulean tusk]

Crossbowmen always spawn a stutter step from melee tho, I just waddle so it get cleaved
Mages tho, mages scare me

[round pendant]

I've very rarely seen people handle the mages properly

DK is a must for that dungeon tbh

[tardy abyss]

Nah

Hunter and priest can easily deal with the mages too

[round pendant]

a must in the sense that it just makes it almost impossible to fuck up

not that it's necessary to time the key

good for pugs

[tardy abyss]

true

[harsh trellis]

I try to make sure I carry the interrupt thingy into that boss running it with pugs or my reg group also.

[cerulean tusk]

I usually say this at the start:
DPS X, you are on right handside Maur and first spawn mage. DPS Y, you are on left handisde Maur and 2nd spawn mage

Usually sees it done

[prisma crane]

Yep. Interrupt orb is severely underutilized on that boss

[vocal cave]

Just grip the mages

ez

or Divine Toll, either works

[jade tartan]

Disrupting shout works insane too

[small steeple]

Does colossus take show of force or Thunderlord for m+? Seems to be about a 50/50 split for high io colossus pwar

[violet ginkgo]

show of force time

[cyan bronze]

idt thunderlord is that great for colossus

a lot of people prob talent it cus it’s rly good for thane

because you tc significantly more than colossus

& they expect the same value

[ebon geyser]

can u still get the brontosaurus mount the one for 90 bucks

[small steeple]

I don't think so. Anniversary event ended

[ebon geyser]

fml ty though

[small steeple]

I have a question regarding Blood Scared Veteran. In what circumstances is it taken of Ravager?

[wild chasm]

Only if you feel like you might die during the dungeon and feeling unsafe with just your normal CDs, generally in higher keys

[dark barn]

https://youtu.be/u2SKVcHVWkk reject prot warrior embrace blood dk

[waxen frigate]

Me when I’m stupid ^

[spiral jetty]

Oh sick I needed a new tier list to base my opinion on

[dark barn]

usually tier lists are garbage

but yoda literally have plus 20 and tested all tanks

[waxen frigate]

[spiral jetty]

BM Hunter S tier tank in thumbnail is elite clickbait

[tardy abyss]

Huh did BDK even change a tiny bit?

[stoic pilot]

nope lol

[tardy abyss]

Weird

[waxen frigate]

No bro but this tier list isn’t like the other tier lists it’s better!!1!1

Trust me bro!!1!1

Reroll!!

[tardy abyss]

I can only think of dungeons have a stupid amount of magic damage to justify this

[stoic pilot]

yoda just really likes bdk and ppally he says this every season

[spiral jetty]

Everything else just got worse

[tardy abyss]

If its not just clickbait

[stoic pilot]

and every season bdk just falls over at high keys

hes just played a lot of bdk and it felt relatively fine in 12s-14s on ptr

[tardy abyss]

hm

He justifies it with bdk needing the least healing lmao

[dark barn]

the argument he brought is that the healing check is so high that the pulls will be small and the best tank will be the one the healer doesn't need to care

[tardy abyss]

Which is fair until you go super high I guess

[cyan bronze]

bdk has seemed good on ptr

like

it’s not bad

[stoic pilot]

they always seem good on ptr lmao

[cyan bronze]

that’s fair yeah

[ebon geyser]

so pally, monk , druid and dk

[dark barn]

he specifically said that blood dk is always good on ptr and that this time might be different

[spiral jetty]

This changes everything

[stoic pilot]

LMAO

i could see his point regarding enhance staying meta

saw that spec doing 40mil bursts in cinderbrew while everything else was like 10m

but idk about bdk

it hasn’t fundamentally changed and you don’t have a infinite parry button yet again

[waxen frigate]

It also doesn’t matter until 11.1.5 balance changes anyway if your goal is just play the meta tank to push title

[tardy abyss]

Destro and fire mage also burst hard as hell

[stoic pilot]

yeah let’s be real

[tardy abyss]

But there will still be lots of tuning

[stoic pilot]

11.1 comes out bdk meta 11.1.5 comes out prot pally reworked again and we’re back where we started

[waxen frigate]

Like regardless of your goals in the tier, PTR balance is so irrelevant

[tardy abyss]

Enh losing AG is massive though

[cyan bronze]

ig maybe with dk wasn’t their set ass last tier

and it’s oker this tier?

only thing I can think of

[stoic pilot]

their tier set is pretty ass next tier too im pretty sure

[cyan bronze]

Ye idk

[waxen frigate]

Pretty sure it’s IBF uptime

Lmao

[stoic pilot]

yeah it’s random ibf procs

[cyan bronze]

I meant the 4set

saw some people talk about it

idk tho might be ass

[stoic pilot]

d strike cleaves 2 targets?

[waxen frigate]

Don’t recall off the top of my head

[stoic pilot]

something like that

[cyan bronze]

yeah idk

[tardy abyss]

ye

[stoic pilot]

the only one i saw and was like wow was brewmaster

brew gets insane ST off the tier set

[waxen frigate]

The brew one is uhh

Potentially cancer to play

[cyan bronze]

Yeah

[urban bane]

surely a matter of time before equinox posts a picture on twitter and gets an orbital strike

[cyan bronze]

Play FoM with it

[urban bane]

tale as old as time

[waxen frigate]

Equinox 🤢

[urban bane]

[stoic pilot]

i think the only thing i’d feel might be cancer to play around is if you’re energy starved as brew

because of the bok -> tiger palm spam

[waxen frigate]

Which is possible

As well as potentially being shuffle starved for once

[stoic pilot]

well shuffle comes from bok

[waxen frigate]

Due to KS dropping significantly

[stoic pilot]

so you should be okay

[waxen frigate]

Yeah it’s not an issue if you play well

But

If you miss a global (as many players do) you lose shuffle

potentially

[stoic pilot]

it’ll be interesting playing non scalding brew again

[waxen frigate]

I haven’t really paid too close attention since I’m swapping to DH off monk next tier to fill guild buffs

[stoic pilot]

i am monke buff for foreseeable future

brew raiding is pretty fun tho hope dh is fun too this expansion

[waxen frigate]

I’ve just been brew every tier since I started in SL and I was very bored this tier tbh

Like it was fun to chase all stars and stuff last xpac but now I just cba

Not that vdh is particularly interesting especially in raid

But it’s a change of pace

[stoic pilot]

I’ve never played brew before this tier and it’s been fun learning it, shado pan flurry strike shit is exhausting though

[waxen frigate]

Yeah

Like the amount of optimization I’d need to do for the like

1-2% I need to get r1s

Just isn’t worth

And it’s still rng

[stoic pilot]

1 flurry strike proc shadow on right spot tiger palm rng

gotta love it

[waxen frigate]

Yeah nah

I hate the rng we’ve had introduced this tier

Used to have so much control

Now it’s just Jesus take the wheeel

Next tier I spam soul cleave until RSI Kicks in

[small steeple]

Only tank so far that has 0 dev notes at all

[ember token]

That video should be named 'How I make my PPally giga buffed again?'

[tender cove]

super subjective, yes but what is currently the most fun dps class to play? Fun factor being the prio. Obviously dont want to be the bottom struggler but yeh.

[vocal cave]

I like feral

[tender cove]

Fun being an engaging toolkit (sorta an answer to the problems), a rotation that is fulfilling (not clunky) and being an asset to, from raid cds, utility or just a fun group support

[vocal cave]

guildies praise demo gameplay too

[tender cove]

Used to main lock before warr but tried destro and they had changed it so completely and so odd, i couldnt get into it at all

how is demo? still the pet spec?

[vocal cave]

this must be a bait, right?

[vocal cave]

ye and coming in season 2 I believe demo is one of few specs that are happy with their set

[tender cove]

I commented his: How to tell everyone you're completely clueless and dont know how to play a single tank without saying it... Next?

[tender cove]

Is it looking to be good/strong or OP OP?

[vocal cave]

good and fun

[tender cove]

noob question, i see now both ally/horde players in my list, sorta like realms disapparead.

how does that work in practice? everything crossrealm and crossfaction now?

[vocal cave]

most things, non rated pvp and dungeon finder/lfr isnt crossfaction yet I believe

[pallid quiver]

World content and queued content are not cross-faction

Things have been cross-realm for a hot minute outside of Mythic raids, which iirc are now cross-realm from the start? Don't hold me to that one

[lusty grotto]

i have posted

[pallid quiver]

nuh-uh

[lusty grotto]

my job here is done

bye cutie pie luerce

[pallid quiver]

He leaves us forever

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/smokebomb-im-out-ready-to-fight-gif-15479694

[pallid quiver]

Blizz put Nimchip in a grave ;-;

We loved you

GOD I LOVE THAT MOVIE

punched a whole ass hole through a man

[lusty grotto]

[vocal cave]

so having blue response in thread makes it official thread for feedback since blizz didnt make one themselves xd?

[orchid mural]

TY!

[lusty grotto]

no u!

[onyx vessel]

Pretty bad when we need a fourm for them to fix what they did to pwarr

[heavy sparrow]

are surviver hunters good or na

in mythic+ high keys

[chilly brook]

@strong forum did I do good dad?

[urban bane]

[cerulean tusk]

It isn't the worst. Of the melee DPS; only retribution, fdk, udk, enh, ass, sub and outlaw is better.
If you ask if you should bring one? Always pick the better player above class.
Still, there are better options spec wise

[chilly brook]

colo big fun

[heavy sparrow]

Good to know. This was one of those cases where the better player above class situation

I'm shocked 626 ara kara trinket doesn't beat my sikran 639 and ulgrax 639 trinket

[onyx vessel]

Show talents

[chilly brook]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/r7zK9FkHtvRZMa3W?fight=2

[onyx vessel]

Thanks babe

[chilly brook]

The one you picked was the SV

[onyx vessel]

Not even 100

[chilly brook]

actually nvm

it was a NW

2nd NW

the mists was close 😦

[onyx vessel]

Looks to have tclap so low

[chilly brook]

Idk I could be doing something wrong, I've done probably ~10 keys total as colossus but wowhead has TC under revenge in prio for colo

[onyx vessel]

Blame @strong forum he doesn't play colossus

Colossus is fun in raid other then when you instantly rip off cotank

[tardy abyss]

Better in what way?

In terms of utility SV is really good and it deals more damage than some of the specs you mentioned

While also being fairly tanky

[jagged pier]

not enough not enough demolish

or too much demolish u maybe not sending at 10 stacks 🤔

[pallid quiver]

When playing Colo, your goal in AOE is to only press TC to get bleeds rolling; it's an awkward balancing act, but you want to pull big enough and pace yourself enough so that as many casts as possible go into Revenge, with you pretty much leveraging outburst SS to keep yourself rage'd up

Bloodsurge + CDs + Outburst should be able to carry you, with Revenge providing the main amount of your survival via leech/bru vit value

In ST, since you're not getting stacks of demo from Revenge, as well as the lack of rage, is where TC starts to exist again

[brittle owl]

haha u suck @chilly brook

[grizzled nova]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/prot-warrior-111-ptr-feedback/2041687/205

I know I'm three days late, but holy fuck that was painful to read

"we're just gonna write down all the things people like about pwar but make it sound like a bad thing because some people can't manage the apm, enjoy the nerfs"

[willow edge]

Funny, I have never had issues with the prot warrior apm. But my wrists hurt whenever I try to play fury warrior.

[ionic nimbus]

I Like fast gameplay, this is why i Play Retail and m+….

[hardy snow]

My favourite part is "You won't have excess rage, but at least you won't have shield slam to press, so you can use excess rage on revenge or other abilities"

[round pendant]

so I don't spam shield slam as colo?

[karmic plinth]

u do

colo is just ss > rev > tc instead of ss > tc > rev

[round pendant]

phew that's what I thought

[unborn island]

Know it's an m+ question rather than a warrior one, but what key level do you reckon doing the middle before the last boss in Arakara is?

I had a group last night tell me it was fine in an 11, and it was, but I haven't gone middle since I was doing like 9s so have no feel for it.

[jagged pier]

never go middle

its aids

[remote anchor]

left can be aids too if you get slowed by 400%

but as warrior you should be fine there

[round pendant]

left is aids but middle is cancerous

[lofty warren]

when i first read that I thought you were talking about politics

[umbral kernel]

yea they're insane

like revenge is a good and satisfying button to press

[orchid mural]

please make your dissatisfaction known on the forums, we at least have to try 🙂

[round pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[orchid mural]

ha no lol

[umbral kernel]

unfortunately I'm eu

[jagged pier]

so u makea trail account

lvl to lvl 10

then post on the forums

[umbral kernel]

you can do that in europe ? I didn't know

lemme check

the fuck, it's one click

[unborn island]

Yeah I've never had an issue going left except the first couple of times getting used to dealing with the slowes, but once I got used to holding avatar/intervene as well as leap it was fine

[umbral kernel]

regarding the feedback thread

I understand they want to reduce the apm, at the same time aren't you afraid with more stats from S2 and S3 gear it would be near impossible to not waste rage ?

[karmic plinth]

increase in stats next season wouldnt make the spec that much more wasteful than it is now

[hardy snow]

It doesnt work for me, still can post despite reaching lvl 10 yestarday
but I'll post feedback on EU

[hardy snow]

we never waste rage, always can press IP

[karmic plinth]

if u havent u may have to leave exiles reach to be able to post

i couldnt until i left it

[hardy snow]

Thanks, will try

[tardy abyss]

At some point we would just stop stacking haste and stack the other secondaries more

[umbral kernel]

tbh I don't even mind them reducing the apm that much, it's just that, as always, it's a half assed unclear rework which solve like 20% of the problems while introducing new ones

[tardy abyss]

Due to DR

[ionic fern]

It has gotten a lot better than what it was previously with the initial changes.
It's still worse than what it is currently, but strength wise it's getting there.
The gameplay just feels bad compared to now to me personally.

[umbral kernel]

what is the biggest offender you would say ? shield slam number of casts ? avatar uptime ?

[ionic nimbus]

Definitely ss numbers

[tribal wharf]

some dude on the wow forums figures we can get 442% attack power dmg from revenge

[round pendant]

442% of 0 is still 0

[ionic fern]

Revenge is big for Colossus, wdym.

👀

[round pendant]

yeah I'm just making a joke

[ionic fern]

[cerulean tusk]

I wouldn't worry about performance metrics, they will get there. Question is solely on if you like the new gameplay pace or not

[harsh trellis]

no

[urban bane]

having dead globals could arguably be a performance metric as well as a gameplay pace issue

[frozen berry]

Colossus already has lulls on single target, so I imagine this will only be worse

[urban bane]

it isnt too different since you spend most of your rage on revenge anyway as colossus.

but just by feels on ptr it still is noticeably slower

like 60ish compared to 70ish cpm in a key for colo

[jagged gust]

60 feels too mellow

I'm pressing buttons to the beat of my girl by otis redding

[urban bane]

wasnt that the temptations?

Oh Otis did a cover TIL!

[chilly brook]

Was sending at 10 😦

[jagged gust]

innit 4?

[jagged pier]

odd i dunno my demolish was doing like 50k more dps than yourself

[sharp gale]

Even with the higher haste or it’s just the strategist nerf that ruins the gameplay ?

[ionic fern]

I enjoy the fast gameplay - smashing buttons,not having a empty GCD. Strategist nerf and the overall rage reduction messed all that up.

[sharp gale]

Empty gcd is always bad not matter which spec yeah

Staring at your own reflection

[tribal wharf]

pressing buttons fast, yes

mindlessly mashing buttons, no

92 or whatever the hell apm

approaching mindless brain rot

literally an input every 0.5 or 0.75 seconds

no room for thought in game play like that

[jagged gust]

I mean, have you ever played an instrument?

[tardy abyss]

We werent even pressing our buttons mindlessly

So I dont understand that comparison

[jagged gust]

Kinda similar concepts in terms of some people's interpretation of joy

[devout basalt]

is there a stance macro floating around that includes berserker?

[sharp gale]

Tbh it’s similar smashing as other melees spec, it’s just the buttons you smash cast a spell bc it’s an off gcd

You know everyone spam the next gcd during the gcd

So it’s more playing with fingers than smashing

[violet ginkgo]

yes it's in the pinned post. For fury you can just rewrite battle stance to berserker stance.

[cyan bronze]

we weren’t tho

[urban bane]

What if they happened to only look at Squeak! logs for APM and made the decision based off of that

[cyan bronze]

honestly we should all just edit logs to make our apm appear 30% slower so we get fixed(this is a JOKE do NOT do this this makes peoples jobs more ASS)

[sharp gale]

Logs apm are not keyboard apm

I think when blizz talks about apm, it’s the real physical apm

[cerulean tusk]

Why look at logs apm at all, as it includes procs and what not

[waxen frigate]

Most of that is filtered out nowadays

Idk for prot warrior specifically rn though

[sharp gale]

Even if it didn’t include procs, it is not real apm

[cerulean tusk]

If you say so, rip DH 380 apm

Wonder if they fixed hack'nslash at least

[waxen frigate]

Hasn’t been that way in a long time

Assuming you’re referring to souls counting as casts

[cerulean tusk]

Yep, good old BF and A

RL was angry at me, cause my APM was too low compared to his

[waxen frigate]

?

[cerulean tusk]

I dunno

[teal scarab]

Hello guys

[cerulean tusk]

Hi

[teal scarab]

What stat u prefer on prot crit or versa ?

[cerulean tusk]

Crit if col, versa if I wanna feel safer Vs magic dam

Also PvP angle

[teal scarab]

Thanks a lot 🙂

Pve M+ im playing

And i feel week sometimes especialy gb

Keys like 12 13

[tardy abyss]

Crit is completely fine for thane too

[cerulean tusk]

Playing m+, you do.
GB trucks tanks, but use spell reflect and stops correctly and it is a breeze

[tardy abyss]

Doesnt make a difference in terms of tankiness really

But just like Funky said, the few things that are really dangerous can be reflected

...as well as the enforcers if you think you can facetank 10 stacks

[cerulean tusk]

In a 13 you can facetank em just fine just don't show your back at any point

My BDK cant even handle them well on a 10 I just run away with DND

Stupid sexy white swings

[tribal wharf]

if they buff the hell out of vampire survivor, im all in

not even i hate pwar, just, its been too long since i've been healer and wait times are too long as dps

so that really only leaves tank for what i play and enjoy

hunter was THE thing i was good at in BFA

dunno how or why, had never played a hunter till then

[sharp gale]

You know, once you taste the healer/tank queue….

[tribal wharf]

yes, but same can be said for me with rogue and hunter

you get geared on one of those turn into killing machine

helped ALOT that i had heroic font and was troll for haste and crit mega buff

i could do the dual buff trinket and beseker racial

[cerulean tusk]

So what doom client you discussing? CBA to read the wall

[sharp gale]

I’m playing dps evoker or Druid just bc the m+ queue next season

[tardy abyss]

dps evoker aka aug

[sharp gale]

I have a regular guild (the ones where you play what you want)

[sharp gale]

Ofc we try to have raid buffs

[tribal wharf]

jokes on you i was actually playing doom recently

OG, for now, or well, kixeye official remake, whatever the hell this thing is

[waxen frigate]

Are you excited for the new one

[tribal wharf]

eh not really, but yes

is like, whenever i get some time

[robust urchin]

Lol
Lmao even

"Warriors in wow are physically 'painful' to play, that's why blizzard is changing them"

[jagged pier]

Lul imagine having qeak fingers

[sweet summit]

shocking

[hardy snow]

https://tenor.com/view/uncle-roger-so-weak-gif-19589076

[jagged pier]

I recommend every climb

Makes fingers strong

[heavy yoke]

oops I posted this in the wrong section originally

for prot..

Need some help.. three options in vault at myth track and I am not sure what direction to take. Myth helm (currently hero track), myth track skarmorac shard (currently heroic MQM, Sacbrood), or myth track Earthen Nullification Aegis shield (crit/vers/speed - currently using hero track shield)

[jagged pier]

Tough choice this late into the season

Cause everything gunna be replaced in like 5 weeks

Depends what you goal is i suppose till the end of the season

[heavy yoke]

tanking keys mostly

[jagged pier]

Shield then or trinket for damage

[heavy yoke]

yeah i guess its a shorter window than i realized

s2 is like what end of feb?

[jagged pier]

Patch probably early march due to raid testing being dealyed

Plundy ends late feb as well

So second week of march i suppose

Would be my guess for season start

[hardy snow]

3k r.io is what level of keys?

[plush tendon]

12s?

[jagged gust]

all 10s is like 2600, 400io from 2 levels?

maybe that does sound right, like 25io per individual key level

[plush tendon]

hmm, might be some 13s

idk

[tribal wharf]

this is why im good at hunter

same game play, did same with amazon on d2r

[plush tendon]

ok, so all 12s is like 2960

so all 12s and a handful of 13s

[hardy snow]

gonna push two and a half lvls more next season then

[plush tendon]

its worth pushing

if you can do those higher keys

you get more gilded crests

[jagged gust]

also, you get to pad way harder

when trash lives long enough for TR to tick

[hardy snow]

I've found guy on r.io that has 2999,9, so it looks like half of dungeons must be +13 in a decent time

[cyan bronze]

March 4th/5th is the likely guess

Or the week after

[hardy snow]

I guess patch on 26.02 and season week later

[cyan bronze]

they are prob going to wait for tw to end

& then give a grace period week

then patch, then season

[tribal wharf]

all of those keys are attrocius to run

the ones he needs

unless he wants to do 14 mists prolly easiest

[sharp gale]

Would they announce a raid date less than 1 month before?

[tardy abyss]

Theyre all ez

[tribal wharf]

siege and ara seem harder to time due to time length requirement

cuz you got extra pulls, extra boss

HARD pulls,

[tardy abyss]

Ara is by far the easiest dungeon this season

wdym

Like its not even close

[tribal wharf]

i wasnt much a fan of running that one

[tardy abyss]

You can full wipe 3x and still time it

[hardy snow]

yea, no way they start season when event is still going, the only question is if they do empty period between event and patch, or not, and if they do - how long it will be, a week or maybe two

[cyan bronze]

Historically they have

[tribal wharf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPVhBv_-MmY

next month, it dropped in +4 first keystone i ran

we are going to roll off your trinket, mr tank guy

all 4 of us have decided to roll for it and if you lose too bad give it to us

[hardy snow]

this 1st boss trinket thing was hilarious at begining of season/preseason

[tribal wharf]

i swear i wish i had the footage of them rolling it

but i had opened some other game taht i didnt close before relaunching wow

so the program didnt recognize wow opened, start recording

another bs pain in ass thing i deal with recording but anyway

[round pendant]

now to figure out what button to bind demolish to

[cerulean tusk]

Shift-F

[round pendant]

Q it is

[sharp gale]

I think it’s 1 on mine if I remember

[cerulean tusk]

1 is charge >:(

[sharp gale]

C is charge for me

[cerulean tusk]

C is character screen

I used to have pot on C, but I went crazy pressing C out of habit

[sharp gale]

I don’t need char screen to be binded

I don’t mind click on it

[tribal wharf]

shit or alt C or something for me

cuz i cant fat finger that combo

[sharp gale]

Shift C is heroic leap

[tribal wharf]

not easily

[cerulean tusk]

I am not going to fight over two decades of muscle memory, C is character screen

[sharp gale]

Took me 1 week to get used to not have zoom in / out on scroll wheel

[cerulean tusk]

I would need to put something I use very often on C, to rebind my memory

btw, shift-C is battle shout :v

[sharp gale]

I click battle shout

[urban portal]

i had it on a bind since shadowlands

because shouting gives you a shield sometimes

[sharp gale]

Yeah now it is at the raid buff place on my thing

[cerulean tusk]

Bingo, the coins :v

[abstract iris]

When do ptr patch notes come out like what day? And also when is 11.1 releasing? Anyone know?

[urban portal]

either end of today NA or sometime tomorrow

[jagged pier]

no clue about the patch

still a month off probably tho

[cerulean tusk]

Noone knows for sure, we guess mid-early january; notes gets dropped sporadically today/tomorrow

january I say, february

[jagged gust]

11.1 is either the week plunder ends, so feb 25th, or the week after, then S1 starts 1-2 weeks after that

[jagged pier]

it will be the week after plundy most likely

[urban portal]

just in time for monster hunter wilds

[abstract iris]

Ok so still a lot of time for them to make changes to warrior 👍

[jagged pier]

or the week after terbulent timeways end which i think is the same week

[cerulean tusk]

Ye, I wouldnt worry about that - warrior will be in a decent place by launch

[jagged pier]

yer basically to match that

[cerulean tusk]

Playstyle is different - but output will be there

[jagged pier]

so players dont go play it

[abstract iris]

I just want warrior to be equivalent to guardian Druid at least

[cerulean tusk]

In what way?

[abstract iris]

Just in overall mythic + viability

[sharp gale]

You don’t want to be like guardian Druid

[cerulean tusk]

Well, warrior is already more viable than druid. Dont think that gonna change

[tardy abyss]

Guardian druid is a very low bar

ngl

[cerulean tusk]

That is "viable" in the most silly of terms, btw

[sharp gale]

The only good side of bear is : you can turn your back

[abstract iris]

Yeah fair wnough

I just saw a lot of people dooming about how bad prot was in ptr so I know it’s a low bar but I just want it to not be completely awful lol

[dark barn]

I was thinking that brewmaster could surpass prot perfomance next season in both M+ and raid. I play a lot of brewmaster too and cant decide next main

[sharp gale]

Brew is god raid tank tbh

It is tuned toward raid, that’s why it is awful in m+

[abstract iris]

Also I was curious how frequent stuns are in mythic + environment, I was maybe going to do orc for stun resistance because when I was leveling tanking in timewalking dungeons stunning was prevalent, is it relevant in mythic + or very rarely?

[dark barn]

Stuns are very rare i play human and almost dont use my racial

[sharp gale]

Really unusual to be stunned and it’s not an AoE you can dodge or smth you can prevent

Bc tank stunned = tank dead usually

[cerulean tusk]

Stuns are only a punishment mechanic, so if you do a misstake, you get stunned

[dark barn]

Saw a lot of 3 seconds stuns that can be avoidable. Not something problematic

[sharp gale]

And just : dwarf racial

[abstract iris]

Yeah I always see stuff about dwarf being op but can’t bring myself to play a lil midget

[sharp gale]

Play whatever you want tbh, but if you want to min max race, dwarf racial is really good

[plush tendon]

depends on raid comp; id argue bear>prot war for raid this tier if you need druid buff

and warrior dps is always pretty good

really devalues Prot War

[cerulean tusk]

Raider spotted

initiate nuking protocol

[plush tendon]

for M+; it looks like its basically Prot Pal>Everyone else

like, doesnt even matter

[cerulean tusk]

We shall see, tuning hasnt hit yet

[plush tendon]

oh, Im just saying right now

i cant predict the future

my money is on VDH

for season 2

[sharp gale]

Tuning never ends AND never comes at the same time

[dark barn]

Warrior ir one of the worst raid tanks unless you cheese the specific boss with spell reflect or block

[plush tendon]

Warrior is actually pretty good in this raid

for tanking

[ionic fern]

I don't think there's such a thing as a "bad raid tank".

[cerulean tusk]

I trust in YoDa's tierlist, S tier is BDK

[plush tendon]

like, its solid all the way through

[ionic fern]

There's some just bosses which are made stupidly easy because of stuff like Mass-grip.

[plush tendon]

its just.... raid buff

[cerulean tusk]

BDK shall rule M+!

[plush tendon]

Ill believe it when I see it

[dark barn]

Play experiments mythic with warrior in aberrus

[ionic fern]

I did.

[cerulean tusk]

S4 SL, it can happen, just need 100% uptime on DRW

[ionic fern]

🤔

[sharp gale]

Yeah ovinax is a weird thing, needing 2 mass grips

Usually it’s 1 on 1 boss

[plush tendon]

well you dont need two mass grips

but double blood makes it super easy

can also use a VDH

[ionic fern]

I actually enjoyed experiments as prot.

[cerulean tusk]

I just remember the DoT shrekt Pwarr

[ionic fern]

Had to actually use your brain for once.

[cerulean tusk]

BDK just danced

[sharp gale]

And for most guilds you don’t need double mass grips bc it’s like 2-3 months after

[dark barn]

I suffered like a pig in that fight and my friend dk just laughed at my face

[plush tendon]

on the flip side though.... have you played BDK on Rashanan

vs playing a Prot War

[small steeple]

I never actually played start of a season that was an xpac launch, so they do have a week or 2 gap between patch and season opening/starting?

[sharp gale]

Start December we started reclean ovinax with usual tanks (bdk brew) bc doesn’t matter anymore

[jagged gust]

yeah, think of it like a grace period for stress testing the new zone/dungeons/etc

[dark barn]

Yeah. Dont know if was because of the raid buff but was easy to handle 3 stacks with bdk

[sharp gale]

I think there is always 1 week between patch and season no ?

[plush tendon]

at least when we got there like week 2/3, watching the fucker fly away and you are like 'I cant death strike!'

made me madge

meanwhile Prot War takes 3 stacks and is like 'lol, tickle'

also, being slow

[sharp gale]

Second or third week our bdk started to tank second boss inside the pool

it was in pug I remember I was not in my current guild yet

[lusty grotto]

[vocal cave]

week 1 tanking it on warr I remember the spooderlings were more dangerous than the boss

[sharp gale]

I didn’t myth raid the first week so I wouldn’t know

[vocal cave]

and than warcraftlogs excluded them from logs by like week 5/6 and suddenly they stopped dying and shreded through my cotank on farm

kek

dps brain

[abstract iris]

Has there ever been a point where shield slam has been AOE?

[sharp gale]

I know it dispelled smth before

[round pendant]

ugh

I can't find an IP tracker that works

[cerulean tusk]

Well, a tierset made it cleave, if I remember correctly. Nowdays tho, Revenge/Clap is your AoE tools with Shield Charge/Ravager as CDs.

[chilly brook]

I might just be bad at cleaving it or shit dead by time it comes back up

[cerulean tusk]

50k sounds like crit variance, without looking for context

[chilly brook]

side note

FINALLY

[cerulean tusk]

[merry sluice]

no no u dont understnad, bdk can tank without defensives

"NO CDS!!!1!"

RUNETAPRUNETAPRUNETAPRUNETAPRUNETAPRUNETAPRUNETAP

[cerulean tusk]

D'awww

[ionic nimbus]

Season 2 DF After Last Stand expired for 20sec ss was bursting fire aoe

[merry sluice]

just get a bigger shield silly

then you can hit more people wiht it

duh

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/shield-bash-wotmud-knight-funny-gif-25223058

[dark barn]

they just giga nerfed weekly vault keys

if you just want your myth gear vault, be happy

https://www.wowhead.com/news/massive-mythic-changes-in-season-2-challengers-peril-effects-moved-to-12s-gilded-368165

[cerulean tusk]

Why would that make me happy, 10s already piss easy?

[waxen frigate]

It did like a wave of damage or something in s2 df

Idk about prior

[cerulean tusk]

I just want to have fun playing

[dark barn]

So play higher keys

[merry sluice]

not as a tank! whoo tww

[strong forum]

also if you timed all 12s all 13s etc the key wont deplete below that anymore

which is huge

[sharp gale]

i never tag my key anyway

[dark barn]

And 12 will have like 30% less dmg and health than now, the ladder to high keys will be much more smooth

[sharp gale]

it depends

[dark barn]

I think 15 will be the new 12, something like that

[jagged gust]

The week 1 "12s are too hard" posts will be missed

[dark barn]

I guess they just did what people asked with crooked lines, they nerfed all the numbers and removed champion's peril for the majority of people (a minority push plus 12)

So tank and heals will be easier for this great portion

[sharp gale]

they buff m0 too

[harsh trellis]

You have to time it first?

I thought they got rid of the key depletion thing all together.

[strong forum]

nah

need all keys on that level timed

[sharp gale]

initial plan was get rid of depletation below 12 if you have X rio

[strong forum]

^

[harsh trellis]

Instead, once a player has finished all eight seasonal dungeons at Mythic 12 within the timer, their keystone will no longer automatically delevel below 12; once a player has timed all dungeons at Mythic 13, the new floor will be 13; and so on for all key levels at or above 12.

this is very cool

[strong forum]

si

[round pendant]

jesus christ

colossus is kinda hard

my brain doesn't work

brain says NO to revenge

[dark barn]

Gear in M+ will be a piece of cake

[strong forum]

my brain was always revenge wired

so its easy

[dark barn]

Press when procs, and if you dont need IP, its ez

[round pendant]

I dropped IP a few times and rage starved myself too

I shall practice

[jagged gust]

rage starving yourself is just part of the colossus package

[dark barn]

Colossus feels like dragonflight warrior, just remember good old times when you didnt had the excessive rage of thane

[round pendant]

I never press revenge over ss right

[jagged gust]

welllll

If the target count is high and you don't need IP to survive

I say let bloodsurge carry you to the top of the meters pressing 1 button

[round pendant]

too much logic

brain no work

[cerulean tusk]

Hm, so now it is, if you timed all 14s, it wont deplete under 14?

If so that is huge - me like

[pallid quiver]

but we were still swimming in rage in dragonflight

That's what it sounds like, Kitty

[cerulean tusk]

If so, me happy - will make PuGing a lot more enjoyable. Even tho, I prob wont PuG next season

[round pendant]

god I can't do this spec

lmao

[cerulean tusk]

Hm?

[round pendant]

colossus

[cerulean tusk]

Col got this nice static ish feel, you get used to it

[harsh trellis]

I prefer thane more also unless I want to cheese trash or adds.

[cerulean tusk]

Rev, SS, rev, rev, SS, rev, SS, rev, rev Demolish

[strong forum]

^

and do actual dmg

[cerulean tusk]

So much dam

Actual competing with my BDK at times, pretty good

[pallid quiver]

Tanks aren't supposed to damage, though, otherwise it ruins the insecurity of your average WoW player

so then they have to go outside and start suplexing people's puppies

[harsh trellis]

if the tank is having fun, no one is having fun

[cerulean tusk]

I know you joking, but urgh... my head

[pallid quiver]

the worst part is i'm only half joking

[cerulean tusk]

I know

[harsh trellis]

I know because puppies can easily be suplexed

[cerulean tusk]

I play tank, and beat DPS on the regular