protection

[round pendant]

pwar was never F tier

unless by F tier you mean not-S-Tier then sure maybe

[strong forum]

Pwar was at worst B tier all of DF

It was only F-tier in 9.0.0 before reprisal

After that it was solid B, and with tiersets + double Lego in 9.2 it turned into A/A+

[harsh trellis]

Hey they got rid of heroic strike wasn't that enough to lower our apm?

[strong forum]

The apm only derives from thane

Can't they just nerf thane instead? 🙂

[harsh trellis]

It seems like folks don't use a 12 button mouse

And set it up correctly

[strong forum]

I don't either

[jagged pier]

u read the blue post they said it was the class not a specfic hero talent setup

[strong forum]

Fr Fr

[dark barn]

Correcting myself: In the last tier with presence of tanks (maybe was C)

[ebon geyser]

I have a question, if I have a EU toon and I want to give money to my na too. Can I give someone hold them they log on na and give me the same amount? Or that's illegal

[strong forum]

You're looking at auto generated tierlists instead of objective class power

[strong forum]

That's fine

[dark barn]

The point was warrior and monk were the worst tanks during DF in comparison with others

[jagged pier]

no ppl played them less

so they appeared in teh aggrigated data tier lists lower

[strong forum]

^

Pwar was only behind vdh cuz of silence and dmg

If vdh didn't have double silence, everyone woulda played pwar

[jagged pier]

if prot isnt considered meta ppl dont play it

because they dont enjoy it

[dark barn]

I think thats a permanent problem of pwar. If other tank have utility they will use it cause war dont have

[jagged pier]

so it always will be low regardless of if its 2nd best or 6th best

[strong forum]

Yes but that doesn't mean it's c tier

[ebon geyser]

Ty.

[strong forum]

You're creating a false narrative of multiple "tiers"

Just because it didn't have infinite cc

But it was much much tankier vs many dmg profiles of S3

And s4 uuuuhh forgot which dungeons those were

[ebon geyser]

I mean I HATE the paladin utility... I hate to focus on others sac her bop there f that

Is why I like war

[harsh trellis]

I mean we could solo bosses in keys even if the party died in some cases it was silly. Admittedly

[jagged pier]

can do that now still

[strong forum]

Block and reflect rendered wcm a lamo dungeon

Meanwhile it was vdhs scariest key

For us it was nothing

[dark barn]

I really dont care too much about tiers. I want to know if you guys think this new version of prot is stronger than the DF version (post s1 nerf)

[strong forum]

Yes cuz the s1 nerf in DF did nothing

We're rn stronger than DF s1 and s2

But not S3/S4 cuz that tierset was nuts

We're vastly stronger actually (aside from indomitable) because we have actual aoe dmg

When in DF our aoe dmg was severely lacking

Defensively we're also stronger because of hero talents

[harsh trellis]

I miss my fyrakk trinket

And weapon

[dark barn]

Yeah. The new haste trinket will be as good as tainted rageherar

[strong forum]

Eh, I never used it outside of lower dawn for the absorb cheese

To immune mechanic

Outside of that not rly useful

I used signet instead for damooj

[dark barn]

I used furakk trinket all time just cause the game was so much easier with it

[strong forum]

ig

[dark barn]

Big pulls without a care in the world.

[strong forum]

Cuz of an 10sec absorb?

[tulip oar]

Not a high bar, but yeah. Still very concerned about the season 2 changes though. I don't like the idea of slowing everything down.

[strong forum]

What would be a high bar

[tulip oar]

At least it's not S1 Shadowlands.

High bar? Hmmm, BFA?

[strong forum]

But...

DF pwar was way stronger than bfa

[tulip oar]

Yeah, but I thought we're talking Prot warrior here.

[strong forum]

Correct

[tulip oar]

BFA was the last time I remember seeing M+ groups looking for Prot warrior specifically.

[strong forum]

That has nothing to do with individual spec power

If you put DF and BFA pwar in the same dungeon, DF would be better

The only saving grace for BFA war would be safeguard

And nobody can compete with a 12sec CD 30% DR external

Not even paladin

Altho it may have been 20sec in bfa

Not entirely certain anymore

Reminder that pwar had no self healing like indomitable or impending victory or spellblock in bfa

Or punish, shield charge, Ravager, roar

SR would be consumed if it reflected something

And no more magic mitigation

Our block was weaker unless you stacked bfi azerite trait

We didn't have defensive stance

We had BoM, which carried crit block chance and dmg output.

Bolster didnt even grant shield block, it just gave 100% block chance. Meaning we didn't benefit from 30% extra SS damage

DF pwar is magnitudes more a tank than BFA pwar ever was

[hazy bronze]

Yeah but everyone was playing it in bfa

[dark barn]

The problem is the dungeon design needing 345 interrupts and cc

In DF and TWW

Why playing the tank with the less utility in a environment who begs utility

[strong forum]

correct

but thats again not the talking point, atleast i think it isnt

[dark barn]

That explains why people played more war in Bfa before blizz changed the dg philosophy to "harder please"

[balmy nova]

I miss TD from BFA 🙂

[strong forum]

kind of, its also that people are more and more meta chasing

every single patch

more and more people are fotming specs instead of playing their original mains

highest "domination" bfa pwar had was 60%

meanwhile highest domination a single tank had in DF was 92%

[dark barn]

But, with sincerity, i thinking people will drive away from m+ more and more, with the dinars and rewards in raid, seems much more fun unlike theather of pain again

[strong forum]

i personally dont care enough for key pushing

and im also one of the most hardcore anti-fotm rollers there is

[dark barn]

To me key pushing is boring af i like much more mythic raiding prog

[strong forum]

cant say i enjoy prog much either

[dark barn]

Now the enemies have more hp and damage and you gain IO points. Lol, amazing

[strong forum]

i enjoy the killing part

not the wiping part

[simple oasis]

If only protwar was as fun as monk

[dark barn]

You cant win monk in terms of fun

But i think prot war with colossus is fun af. Demolish is a very high dopamine burst

I play with both classes cause i cant choose one.

The monk set is really beautiful

[harsh trellis]

I am looking forward to the M+ changes coming

[tulip oar]

I think TWW is the peak of meta chasing right now. So much to the point were we see 3 paladin or 3 shaman comps in keys. It's always a Prot paladin and usually a ret, (because they are fucking brain dead OP spec), and 1-2 shaman.

I know why Blizzard is allowing it, but I don't agree with it.

[strong forum]

i have literal friends saying you cant push keys without enha...

like HUH

[dark barn]

Imo s1 m+ of tww is a abomination

Thanks god i can just do 10s with my 4 different tanks to just have some fun and chase the tier set mog

My war stopped at 2800 and thats it

[harsh trellis]

Its not that bad, sure pugging is always hit and miss.

[dark barn]

If i invite a 620~629 healer to dawnbreak 10 is always a mess. The healing check is just awful. Probably a very good healer can handle anyway, but dont see happening in my pugs. Thats just a example of this abominable season

[harsh trellis]

That really sucks considering Dawnbreaker is always an easy key.

[tardy abyss]

Ret and op in one sentence is a cursed sight

[dry maple]

So here a thought, correct me if this is won't work. So what if they remove red from thrunderclap and move it to Revenge and take revenge off GCD like ignore pain is. That way we have a choice to spending our rage on... damage ability revenge or defense ability Ignore Pain?

[round pendant]

enh just makes it free

[tender cove]

Reading some of replies from tonight... Is warr tanks worst tank again or does all tank sucks? Like, is it the season or the spec?

Keep seeing people say how unfun healing/tanking has become.

[cerulean tusk]

A lot of it is overreacting. I had no problems tanking keys, it just feels less engaging. Still functional

[jagged pier]

i mean u can thank dungeon design, general m+ as a system and the player base for that

[tender cove]

That bad currently, huh? 😦

[jagged pier]

been terrible for ages

[tender cove]

I need to "waste" 3 hours per evening as its a requirment for my business venture right now. So thinking of taking up wow again. Or any game really. Im not allowed to sleep betwen 22.00-02.00.... 😦

[jagged pier]

no one wants to tank because all responibility is on them no on wants to heal for if someone dies its your fault. and bliz have made dungeons with more mechanics on trash that some hc/mythic raid bosses

in like a single trash pack

[tender cove]

But hasnt that always been the issue of tanks? Its the biggest reason I struggle because, like you say, everything falls on the tank in terms of exection, specially hate this whole route thing...

[cerulean tusk]

It is a lot worse now

Community perceived class jobs has become toxic af

[dark barn]

right now IMO feels better than brewmaster and blood, dont know about bear, definetely not the worst tank in M+

[tender cove]

Thats disheartening to read. Its pretty unusual to hear such a uniform disappoint from you guys.
I really dont need stress or headache in my life so guess tanking is out of the question lol.

[dark barn]

Bear had some nice changes (frenzy regeneration turned in a super heal)

[cerulean tusk]

Ye, i would skip put on WoW in total

[rotund wyvern]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/prot-warrior-111-ptr-feedback/2041687/205

Just saw this, but aren't they "trying to fix" something no one cares? I love Prot being a high APM tank, and haven't seen people complaining about it either here or on the forums (on the same thread, people are saying that Prot war lacks utility (no rez, no combat rez, no dispel/cleanse, no grip, etc)

[jagged pier]

have fun in queue simulator then

[cerulean tusk]

I will just add this ad always:
If they want to reduce CPM efficiently. They gotta increase GCD or create dead gcds

[tender cove]

wow, is it really that bad?
You and jake is among the last people that complain like this so it must be really shitty right now 😮

[dark barn]

"Bad tanking" is still much better than DPS queue simulator, i have 4 tanks 630+, note that i dont push io higher than 2600~2800

[jagged pier]

or. or just change thane because thats where the cpm issues were

[cerulean tusk]

As tank it is grim, as warr DPS it is grim
If I didn't have a guild and mates I would skip

[jagged pier]

tbh if all u want to do is keys, i would find other games to play from your back log of games u havent played, next season gunna be ass

[cerulean tusk]

They keep pruning the fun out of the gameplay

[jagged pier]

the new dungeons from the new expansion are horrendously designed

ither a stupid gimic

[tender cove]

My backlog is cyberpunk, helldivers and warhammer.

[jagged pier]

or just an opressive amount of magic damage

[jagged pier]

they are all better than wow currently

[cerulean tusk]

100% use your backlog, those are all bangers

[tender cove]

Haha. Its so insane. When I dont have time the game is amazing and warrior is wrecking it. And when i finally get a good 3-4hour consistent window the game is dogshit.. I just cant win here xD 😦

[dark barn]

Raid will be probably SUPER FUN

[heavy sparrow]

New prot warrior training
https://youtu.be/WYmGYjGkmvA?si=GuVcjh6_P5-pGBIg

[dark barn]

you can just spend less time in the bad content

[tender cove]

Getting into a guild for a tank spot without previous expo,friends or logs? I might as well reroll lock or smt xD

[cyan bronze]

nah unironically

the stupid gimmick dungeon

is the most playable

[jagged pier]

which says something

[cyan bronze]

[jagged pier]

about dungeon design right now

[cyan bronze]

it’s badge.

[dark barn]

If you are a super main tank, sometime in your life you have to find a good guild and friends to do progs, unless you hate raiding.

[cyan bronze]

priory does not feel like a dungeon

you can bring a pug to

[jagged pier]

i love how i said this like at the start of this Season, that season 2 was gunna be horrendous

[cyan bronze]

unless you want 300% from body pulls

[jagged pier]

everyone yet agian told me im wrong

[cyan bronze]

floodgate is ok actually

meadery is not ok

rookery i will say 1 thing

[jagged pier]

just wait for when your group cant pull the entire first room at once so your pugs falls apart

[cyan bronze]

mandatory 4 spam caster pack(in the first 5 minutes of the key(it gets worse))

[jagged pier]

in meadery

[tender cove]

Sorry for not being caught up with everything this expo but I was under the impression blizzard did a hard 180 and was making content accesible for the masses again, going away from the whole elitist/wf mentality?
And everyone seemed to be happy on launch? What happened here? 😮

[jagged pier]

[cyan bronze]

is there one im forgetting

[jagged pier]

they gave us the easy dungeons

in S1

and everyones forgotten that in hc dungeon week the dungeons that were the hardest ones we werent getting

or the most annoying ones we werent getting

then the meta rolling has got worse since the last 2 seasons

so now if u aint meta literally fuck u

[cyan bronze]

just remove depletes

helps meta issue

[sweet summit]

remove minigame

[jagged pier]

then if u get into a dungeon u better hope ither, 1 can deal with a metric shit tone of damage coming your way 2 your helaer can heal the metric shit tones of damage going out on the rest of your group

because the dps aint gunna intuprt any of the like 50 casts they have to stop per dungeon

and or just not do mechanics

i had to solo the last boss of GB last week because ppl could pop defensives or the healer couldnt heal thorugh the aoe pulsing damage

[tender cove]

ohh, we're back to that bag of funnies again. Where damage is insane against both tanks AND the group and let me guess, they decided healers was having to easy and nerfed them while "forgetting" the high damage?

[jagged pier]

so i just spent 8 mins killing the boss myself cause it was depleted anyway

[jagged pier]

well its only insane against teh gorup because dps players have got even lazier

[jagged pier]

literally this, or just set it back to CMs with tmog appearances

[tender cove]

I know this is gonna be subjective to everyone but what would make 5 man content fun again?

[sweet summit]

if my spec wasn't a ball crushing factory

[tender cove]

Remove the timer? Seperate the challenge/titles/score to something different?

[jagged pier]

it would be fun if i didnt have to / required to do it for a majority of the season just to do the content i want to do

if it was something i could drop in and out of whenever i would give less of a shit

m+ is facing the same issue as raid in designs, they keep desiging them for the top .1% or title ppl in m+ for the majority of the player base theres just too much going on to do it

[cerulean tusk]

Just let classes feel powerful, don't nerf the fun out of the game for raid encounter balance.
Then accept tanks and DPS have fun doing gigapulls, forcing the pace down in m+ ain't fun

[jagged pier]

love when your in a pug and ppl dont clear the orbs from the affix so the boss starts healing for 6% of its hp a second

very good

much wow

then i send all my stops on them cause no one else does

[cerulean tusk]

I still don't get why there is a curse element in sub 12s, should just be kiss

[jagged pier]

then the next pull just kills ppl cause no one stops casts

[cerulean tusk]

Uuuurgh

The stop change

[jagged pier]

dont even get me started i need to do 12s now for an achieve

like fucking why

12s are far worse than 10s in terms of elitism and meta slaving

[cerulean tusk]

Hey 12s are easier than 10s, so you got that going for you

[jagged pier]

at the start of the season

not anymore

[cerulean tusk]

In my experience 12s are 5 warrior groups meme time. 10s are aug/enh/you/ppally/disco only

[tender cove]

I've honestly felt that way for last 1-2 expansions. I just cant handle it all anymore.
But why is that? Streamers drive content but if the content isnt getting consumed by the masses? Whats the point?

[jagged pier]

it matters because thats where the eyes are

the thing is if the content was easier they would still just push higher

so it wouldnt matter for the masses

[cerulean tusk]

Remember watching those early 2000s videos of ppl oneshotting things? Man, that for sure didn't make anyone hype

[jagged pier]

the only thing that gets effected is the raid, but honestly they could just design better bosses that dont need 100 line notes for WAs

[cerulean tusk]

Surely not

[jagged pier]

the issue is the tops guilds are so good the raid would be over in a day if they made old mythic raid lvl like legion lvl raids again

[tender cove]

Exactly. Why not just hardcap it at 10/15/whatever and say, this is where we expect 90% of users to complete and do and where the rewards stop.
And here, we designed this super cool mounts, transmogs, titles, whatever for people who want to push and do flex their achivements? Just make both camps happy? Its not the real world, its possible, right?

[dark barn]

I dont think the max reward content (10 for vaults) is actually super hard, after all you gain myth level gear

[jagged pier]

it is for more than half the player base

[cerulean tusk]

Well, 12 is the "cap", rest is just flavour.
Problem is raid deciding balance points, not m+

[pallid quiver]

bro when people were getting one-shot by consecration on heroic dungeon week, I knew it was gonna be rough

[jagged pier]

i think they buffed its damage recently too

[cerulean tusk]

Still die a ton in there as melee, don't fear

[pallid quiver]

They gave it a cast time

so there's that at least

[jagged pier]

but yer the amount of stops in that dungeon is insance

[cerulean tusk]

That is hidden hald of the time

[jagged pier]

like u have to stop every cast otherwise someone dies or a mob heals to full

its horrendous

[pallid quiver]

I think it's a kinda neat dungeon thematically

but playing in keys

[jagged pier]

oh and just wait for SR to be nerfed on everything

[pallid quiver]

oh that shit's gonna be rough times

[jagged pier]

its on logs now

[tender cove]

Couldnt this be solved by blizzard just offically endorsing the world first race? Keep the hype but do it on tournament realms with scaling that is meant for the top 1% of players and let them have their fun, make a big spectable out of the whole race and just go all in on it "either you are good enough or you are not" and tie zero rewards to the wf race?

[jagged pier]

so yu can see the damage it does

[dark barn]

the problem is people who can't handle mythic raiding wanting mythic gear, if is hard why people dont farm heroic and 7-8?

[jagged pier]

oh they sr that spell

nerf

[cerulean tusk]

It is more m+ players want the gear

For obvious reasons

[jagged pier]

back in the day bliz would have said unluck if u want the best gear do the highest lvl of content. but thats so far out of reach now because the top players compared to the normal joe is too big

[pallid quiver]

I think the roughest thing for me is I need to play next season because I want the tier transmogs

[tender cove]

Thats what i mean, let everyone have mythic gear, let the andys complete the raid and get their gear? isnt that the point of a video game???

[pallid quiver]

and easiest way to get it is to do content while it's current

[sweet summit]

you don't need it... it won't be worth it...

[jagged pier]

i mean all they need to do honestly is after a month or so keep the bosses the same but stop any mechanice except a few from oneshotting ppl

like queen is just dumb u get hit by a blade and not a tank u die or a wave u die

those shouldnt one shot anymore

not saying they shouldnt at the start

now at this point

they shouldnt

[tender cove]

I accept that but i dont think its so drastic, the 95% playerbase is already at such a vastly different skill set but having the two "pools" in the same race is whats messing everything up?

[pallid quiver]

I think every mechanic in M raid should hit you so hard, it just deletes your character

[sweet summit]

ah sorry, i was replying ot Luerce
kinda forgot the reply fuction whoopsie

[jagged pier]

but that hasnt been the case for years thats something thats come more into fact since the race because they cant dsesign bosses like they used too

like ghuun nothing one shot u

[cerulean tusk]

I miss the days of raiding mythic, and being able to carry two ppl, with out issues

[tender cove]

I think thats a good middle ground to what I was thinking. Keep it hard but dont gatekeep it either. Let people have fun, let them kill shit and get gear.,

[jagged pier]

if u fucked up u almost died but it could be fixed

[pallid quiver]

But they look so good to combine with other parts ;-;

[sweet summit]

[tender cove]

You could even add something cosmetic to the mythic gear if you kill it the first month, add "First slayers" or whatever, make it a different color. Let those people feel special too

i dunno

[cyan bronze]

thought they gutted those mobs no?

[jagged pier]

havent really looked into ti but im pretty sure they still there with all the casts

[pallid quiver]

I even made a mage for the mage appearances

[pallid quiver]

They added a cast time to consecration and gave it a floor indicator

So you can actually avoid it now

instead of having to stutterstep and pray

[sweet summit]

beyond redemption
get well soon

[cerulean tusk]

When it isn't hidden under the terrain

[jagged pier]

also dont get me started that for some reason if u are mid way through the raid about a month in, u are required to have a bdk because u need grips for some fucking reason

every tier

just make a boss where adds arent aids to manage

they used too

[cerulean tusk]

Grip is their raidbuff

[pallid quiver]

nuh-uh, you aren't required to have a BDK jakey

smh elitist

[cerulean tusk]

Dont be toxic

[pallid quiver]

it's not like there wasn't a single kill without BDK for months on end

[jagged pier]

like i know years ago they said we can require mythic guilds to field certain specs for some fights like blast furnace

but since then its been

have a bdk

and on more than 1 fight most of the time

blast furnace was a once off

[cyan bronze]

what did blast furnace require

[jagged pier]

2 priests

[cyan bronze]

init

[jagged pier]

for mind control

[cyan bronze]

just wait for the mandatory prot warrior fight

because the boss randomly tank busters a dps

and has to get intervened on a 30 sec timer

inshallah

[jagged pier]

ppl will get round that with br or apt

[cerulean tusk]

To be fair, with how shit BDK feels in m+ atm, it is fine they got 1 of 2 tank spots in raid

[pallid quiver]

blizz hates apt tho

[jagged pier]

they will do anything to not have a prot warrior

[cerulean tusk]

Pwarrior is perfect for open world content with a healer friend. You ask for too much

[pallid quiver]

I could see Blizz's hate for apt being so strong, they make it so that if you die to that mech, you're just dead forever

It's even bugged so you can't rez after the fight, either

[cyan bronze]

huge phys blockable dot that lasts after death

[jagged pier]

well unfortunatly they make every tank mechanic magical now adays and unblockable

because otherwise warrior would be too strong

yet bdk can just ams it all the time

[cyan bronze]

noo I must have my prot warrior mandatory fight

https://tenor.com/view/selfish-soyjak-soy-jak-wojak-baby-gif-6611371863076339224

[jagged pier]

u forgetting most tanks fucking hate warrior too so there would be uproar

if that ever happened

[pallid quiver]

I mean Piercing Strike is pure phys

[cyan bronze]

idk how else you make prot warrior mandatory for a fight other than intervene stuff or insane phys blockable tank buster

[pallid quiver]

And Bear in Dream's tank buster was blockable and phys only

[jagged pier]

like if we arent considered meta we are always least played

[cerulean tusk]

Make tankbuster on the final boss a physical spell reflect able channel spell that does 10x the tankbhealth every sec for 20 sec then warrior a must

[jagged pier]

and is it blockable?

[cyan bronze]

real shit just make a spell reflect that one taps boss

[pallid quiver]

No on strike ;-;

bear was, though

[pallid quiver]

They have

[cerulean tusk]

Hell yeah, we still won't be brought!

[cyan bronze]

which

[pallid quiver]

It just gets shot first week of testing

[cyan bronze]

no intentional

[jagged pier]

palace one of the bosses oneshot themselve

[cyan bronze]

make it so only prot can do it too

[pallid quiver]

We need tank busters to be pure reflectable again ;-;

[cyan bronze]

epic

[tender cove]

this is so true for some reason but why lol?

[jagged pier]

probably

its because most of the popular m+ tank streamers

[cerulean tusk]

This is a thing, no clue why

[jagged pier]

dont like warrior tank

they like paladin or bdk most

[pallid quiver]

They don't like the idea of some dude who is just really good at hitting this with weapons being on par with their favorite class, which uses a whole bunch of magic, or holy fuckery, or what-not

Makes them question their life decisions on dedicated themselves to all these magic and extra being powers

[tender cove]

but but shield and power, our names are even WARRIOR, whats not to like. so sus

[pallid quiver]

if some dude who knows how geometry works can match 'em

[cerulean tusk]

"I sold my soul, he just got a pointy stick!"

[jagged pier]

also ppl hate the fact they were the 'only' tank for a while at the start of the game, which isnt true, ppl were just bad back then they couldnt make the others work

[pallid quiver]

"I'VE SACRIFICED EVERYTHING RAAAAHHHHH"
sucks to suck, nerd

[jagged pier]

but i think its the streamer thing more nowadays tbh

[cyan bronze]

they self heal the least

[pallid quiver]

To be fair, there was a disproportionate amount of effort to get any other spec to work as a tank end-game in Classic at the level War worked at

[cyan bronze]

maybe in part that

[pallid quiver]

But even if that was the case, that's a fucked up reason to consider

[tender cove]

yeh feeding into the meta hype too

[cerulean tusk]

Hm, maybe. I think it is just how there is always fotm atm, and ppl are actually scared of not being it

[pallid quiver]

as most people playing never played classic when it legitimately came out

[jagged pier]

not really once ppl had 15 years witth it its really not that hard and some even better than warrior in dungones with less effort

and cant do bigger pulls etc

[pallid quiver]

that's dungos in classic

you don't even need a tank half the time

[cerulean tusk]

You forget we played with 10 fps

[tender cove]

Who is the meta tank right now btw?

[jagged pier]

paladin

[cerulean tusk]

Ppall

[pallid quiver]

Right right now, Pala

[jagged pier]

vdh and paladin next season

[cyan bronze]

sac and spellwardingadin

[pallid quiver]

Next season, who knows until community decides

[tender cove]

ohh, its my 2nd class. Thats interesting. I actually quite like playing pally :x

[cerulean tusk]

Maybe bear 🐻?

[pallid quiver]

But they're inching towards VDH and Pala

[cerulean tusk]

[cyan bronze]

why bear

https://tenor.com/view/suspicious-emoji-sus-sussy-gif-26927786

[cerulean tusk]

Cause cute

[cyan bronze]

real

[pallid quiver]

Bear stinky because you can't show off your mog as often

Bear good because funny bear

[tender cove]

like, are we talking meta or OP OP? Would it be worth playing pally? I mean, i already got him to 80 and some basic shit gear.

[cerulean tusk]

Op op

[cyan bronze]

ppal is pretty good

[pallid quiver]

OP we can't legitimately tell you until testing is done and patch is out

[cyan bronze]

he means atm

[cerulean tusk]

Play ppally or you trolling, on PTR anything is in the air

[pallid quiver]

Meta we can't honestly give a clear decision until we see what the community starts playing

[tender cove]

i do, yes.

[cyan bronze]

ppal is good yes

[pallid quiver]

Then yeah, Pala does most damage, can survive,

[cyan bronze]

i love 90 sec bubble

[cerulean tusk]

Best utility and stops

[cyan bronze]

[cerulean tusk]

Pally just got it all

Warrior can tank tho

We won't die

[pallid quiver]

more that it has the best interrupts, since hard stops are poo poo on average now

why does our utility have to be having a shit ton of hard stops

[cerulean tusk]

Interrupt is a stop in my mind

[cyan bronze]

i love being told vdh has an overloaded toolkit(still)

[pallid quiver]

It does stop a cast, but I make a difference since mobs that can't be stopped can still be interrupted, and casts that can't be interrupted can be stopped

[cerulean tusk]

VDH is one DPS buff from meta metaing

[cyan bronze]

wdym one DPS buff

it’s the highest dmg tank on ptr iirc

one more and it would be silly

[cerulean tusk]

They can live, their dam just ain't worth. Pwarr does more last time I checked removed TierSet interaction excluded

[tender cove]

With the risk of losing a hand here lol... Templar or lightsmith? What do you play. Ill figure the rest out but i dont want to have some reddit dude tell me what to play xD

[cyan bronze]

vdh has good dmg on live

[cerulean tusk]

Lightsmith, but go away, you no longer a warrior

[cyan bronze]

it has problems with living

[cerulean tusk]

Live they can't live wdum

PTR ain't live

[cyan bronze]

oh on ptr

[cerulean tusk]

Ya

[cyan bronze]

idk I haven’t really touched pwar on ptr much

outside of dummies and it feeling ass

were you playing colossus or thane

[cerulean tusk]

Both, col feels less worse, as it already kinda felt less fluid

[cyan bronze]

yeah

idk vdh dmg is really quite good on ptr

[cerulean tusk]

As long you ragepool, you are 100% functional

[cyan bronze]

maybe? warrior is higher but doubt?

[cerulean tusk]

Warrior do good dam, as Col, in keys

[cyan bronze]

colossus yeah

thane not really

[cerulean tusk]

Not pally good, or BDK, but ok dam

[cyan bronze]

ppal also got some sizable nerfs

& lost their tierset which was really good for burst

[cerulean tusk]

Ye, haven't checked since that hit

[cyan bronze]

the defensive nerfs hurtge

[cerulean tusk]

Hope so, being more tanky than warrior with being a hybrid is just wrong on so many levels

[cyan bronze]

-10% parry is rough, uthers from 30% cdr to 15% cdr is rough

prob still good tho

[cerulean tusk]

CDR only matters if they don't design the mechanics to hit in the CDR alligned space

I don't trust that it wont

[errant oriole]

ppal needs put in the trash can for a season or two imo 😛

[cyan bronze]

it’s bubble cdr

[cerulean tusk]

I know

[cyan bronze]

just means less pulls you’ll have it up for

[cerulean tusk]

Ya use it on bosses to immune rotation mechanics

So if you still line up

Nothing changes

[tender cove]

I like how lincoln wrote an entire guide around a talent that isnt used in the premade talent build...

[cyan bronze]

idk

from what I read bubble goes from 1.5-2.5min now

but idk the legitimacy of that

[deep solar]

anyone remember necrolord warrior at the end of SL? that shit was awesome, I miss it :(

feel like blizz has a strange idea on where they want pwar to be tho cause every time its super fun they nerf all the reasons its fun

[cerulean tusk]

Well, banner warrior was fun for those who could do it. A lot of people didnt understand, or weren't able to keep up with the insane pace you had to keep up in keys

Fun, for sure. Toxic for both warriors and the group? Yeh, kinda was. Caused too much friction elements

[strong forum]

Peak warrior will never return again

And I will forever feel the hole it left I my heart

[harsh trellis]

Was that vanilla wow?

Just press shield block and heroic strike?

oh yeah, and rend

and thunderclap

lol

[strong forum]

No it was 110cpm charge weaving execute god pwar

[harsh trellis]

SO I swapped over to FUry to work on Zekvir and its spammy as heck

[strong forum]

Welcome to fury

Just spam one of your 4 generators

And rampage whenever you can

GG

[harsh trellis]

right but, I guess im just thinking why did prot get the nerf

unless im mistaken and arms and fury also got slowed down

[strong forum]

Nop

Fury's whole shtick is fast spamming

And that's what people, not me, love about it

Again, blizz just had the wrong person try out thane pwar, and they decided to nerf it cuz they had ignore pain bound on a bad keybind

[harsh trellis]

I mean I do like how spammy it is, im definitely not bored. I just really like how current prot feels. I really hope they back down from some of the delay in our rotation before it goes live

[strong forum]

So it was too spammy

[urban portal]

My main complaint is that sending ip into the void should not be optimal

Just doesn’t make sense from a game design perspective

[strong forum]

After getting all of the meat off of a pig, seems like a waste to just throw the bones away. So they make gummy bears out of it

The resources you're presented with can serve a purpose even if not obvious at first

Same deal

[harsh trellis]

I really do wish you guys would post on the forum with feedback. I saw sense post something but there are so many folks out there happy that this change is comin because they can finally get back to playing their alt warrior.

[strong forum]

Same with getting new tires on a car, the old ones are still usable for a year but you'll be quicker and more efficient on new tires!

[pallid quiver]

My feedback will likely be in my unsub notice the instant I get the transmog I want

[strong forum]

Just remembered pwar didn't have execute or rend in bfa

This was our st dmg breakdown

[pallid quiver]

you know who didn't play BFA for some reason?

Hell, we at least had Execute in MoP, even, though we had to swap out of Def Stance to use it

[cyan bronze]

Man

[strong forum]

Look at this piece of shit class

[cyan bronze]

This is a German ass thing to say

[strong forum]

10cpm of devastate

[cyan bronze]

STOP

devastate

Wasn’t prot good in bfa too in m+

[strong forum]

Yeah

[cyan bronze]

Wtaf

[strong forum]

With a disgusting ass rotation

[cyan bronze]

With ip on the gcd?

[strong forum]

That was after that change

[cyan bronze]

was that all of bfa

ah

[strong forum]

But yeah I pushed high end with IP on gcd

Pre-buff

Without ranged block

With IP on gcd

[cyan bronze]

what.

[strong forum]

Yeup

Couldn't block "shoot"

Or "throw wrench"

Bfa pwar would die to every single pack in m+ these days, no imp victory, no indomitable, no spellblock, no outburst, no Ravager no roar or spear, no shield charge revenge hitting for 3 dmg

(it wouldn't but it would need actual healer attention)

[cyan bronze]

Wtf is this

[urban portal]

Isn’t that kind of true for every tank though

[stoic pilot]

Yeah warrior was busted

[cyan bronze]

no

not the warrior mekes

[urban portal]

Every tank is rocking 3 shadowlands legendary in talents right now

[cyan bronze]

the sea of piss on my screen

[stoic pilot]

Oh the outlaw rogue dilemma LOL

Yeah they did the most aoe and st back then

And were immortal

Uncapped blade flurry shenanigans

[cyan bronze]

and good stops still?

oh wait

[stoic pilot]

Their between the eyes was a stun

[cyan bronze]

is this with arcane torrent still

[stoic pilot]

alongside a dmg button 🙂

[cyan bronze]

[strong forum]

Hell nah

[stoic pilot]

But you didn’t really need stops back then as much

You had perma root from warrior thunder claps

[cyan bronze]

was arcane torrent still a thing

[strong forum]

I cringe at me saying that pwar was hard in bfa, back in bfa

[stoic pilot]

Nah I think that changed

[cyan bronze]

real

[stoic pilot]

LMAO yeah I think prot was very simple back then

[strong forum]

Arcane torrent got nerfed to purge in bfa

But back then stops basically didn't exist

All dmg was only on tank

Outside of very specific mechanics

[cyan bronze]

can we revert to this

and make tanks strong

m+ would be so epic

[stoic pilot]

There were some things but that was naturally countered by prot warriors preferred conflict & strife

was so funny

Design a mob in underrot that would 1 shot if it meleed you during fixate

[strong forum]

Underrot and junkyard

Prime examples

[stoic pilot]

Countered by thunder clap does unbreakable root for 1s

every tclap

[strong forum]

Also intervene

Would help with the fixates

[stoic pilot]

Oh yeah true that as well

[cyan bronze]

i think tanks should just be utterly insanely broken every tier

[strong forum]

Didn't you listen, blizz wants tanks to require healing from healers!!

(they still don't)

[stoic pilot]

I don’t think being immortal is great gameplay personally but I think it’s a much better variant than what we have now

[cyan bronze]

It’s literally only blizzard

[cyan bronze]

i mean if they’re immortal

you kinda pull silly stuff because of it

[stoic pilot]

Yeah but then it just becomes which tank helps group live bc if they’re all immortal you play based on output or utility

[cyan bronze]

and it’s more fun for everyone idk

[cyan bronze]

or dmg

yeah

[strong forum]

Which is what you always do

Anyway

[stoic pilot]

I guess fair

[strong forum]

You're limited by mechanics

Not by "what can the tank live"

[stoic pilot]

I’m making my group suffer with brew / war this season 👍

[strong forum]

Good

[cyan bronze]

do real individuals not named equinox (gross) run the 6% dr talent

or is that just a him thing

[stoic pilot]

It’s good for some situations

[cyan bronze]

i make mine suffer with vdh

but i also cannot stand these keys at all

[stoic pilot]

Siege 3rd boss is good for it

and last

But we play a weird ass comp so idk if it’s really necessary

2 of our dps are immortal and the 3rd is a shaman without fort, devo aura or an aug

So he’s usually the “protect the president” target

[cyan bronze]

real

[stoic pilot]

[strong forum]

Good

Fuck meta

Play what you enjoy

[cyan bronze]

so

league of legends and minecraft

[strong forum]

I knew you were a good lad when I saw you outburst SS a Ravager in academy instead of pad aoe thunderclap

[cyan bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/mike-o'hearn-real-brainfog-gif-7666610795160025826

[strong forum]

That's all I needed to see

[cyan bronze]

did you know i was a good lad 😔

[stoic pilot]

Nothing feels better than an outbursted SS

[strong forum]

Especially next patch

[cyan bronze]

nommy

how is pwar dmg

[strong forum]

Cuz of the 24% buff to shield slam

[stoic pilot]

I haven’t even played it on ptr yet but I saw senses rage spreadsheet and I cried a bit

[cyan bronze]

have u updated the simulations

[stoic pilot]

How is bloodsurge getting that railed

[strong forum]

Arma does the updating thingy

[strong forum]

Wasn't hasted

[cyan bronze]

it got rebuffed

i think

[stoic pilot]

Oh thank god

[cyan bronze]

but

idk if fully

[strong forum]

Pre-buff instigate was on-par with bloodsurge up to 5 targets

So I'd prefer that

[stoic pilot]

In terms of actual playstyle vs now how is it actually feeling?

[cyan bronze]

shot

as fuck

[stoic pilot]

[cyan bronze]

yea

colossus tho

[strong forum]

Colossus feels roughly the same, but thane suffers

[cyan bronze]

fucking shreds

it got +25% revenge dmg

[strong forum]

Well and the aura buff

[cyan bronze]

(at the cost of sidearm but idc big revenge)

[stoic pilot]

Honestly, I’m here for more reason to play colossus

[clever heart]

Prot broken yet?

[cyan bronze]

think its

2 away

[strong forum]

Nah check again next xpac

[cyan bronze]

2 large compensation buffs

[strong forum]

Pwar isnt anywhere near broken, unless I'm playing it

[cyan bronze]

i think 2 more equal sized compensation buffs would make it rather strong

thats alot tho

[strong forum]

For colossus it just needs defensive buffs

Like, a buffed BrV or smth

Then it's real fucking powerful

Thane needs jesus

[cyan bronze]

nommy

i meant to ask u smth

is colossus at a cdr gain or loss do u think now

[strong forum]

Gain

[cyan bronze]

+tierset -strategist

i figured ye

[strong forum]

The essentially 100% crit chance on SS during tierset

Is quite potent, especially for aoe

[cyan bronze]

ye

i was given heavy dissent when i said that tho

[strong forum]

Having guaranteed 4sec cdr on demolish is very powerful

Even if SS itself isn't that frequent

[cyan bronze]

ye

[strong forum]

However in raid on ST, colossal might will suffer

[cyan bronze]

idk im quite invested on colossus stonks in m+

im almost like

[strong forum]

Execute is a huge chunk of your rotation

[cyan bronze]

99% sure its played in m+

[strong forum]

We shall see

[cyan bronze]

im also a master class coper

[strong forum]

Colossus stonks are indeed up cuz of the extra punto

[cyan bronze]

punto?

[strong forum]

Getting to play IO for essentially free

[cyan bronze]

ah

yes

it procs off tierset no?

or was that cap

[strong forum]

Cap

[cyan bronze]

someone said it a few days ago

said it changed on most recent build

[strong forum]

It does not proc from anything but you manually pressing avatar or sw

Yeah and they lied

[cyan bronze]

this is so sad

io seems decent for colossus

tbh

[strong forum]

Correct

That + DA buffs and imp wall nerfs

[cyan bronze]

not a ton of dr

usually

cus you arent holding avatar for it 99% of the time

but on pull

[strong forum]

It's good for gathering

[cyan bronze]

its rly rly rly nice

and the gather doesnt feel great on colossus

[strong forum]

Cuz you avatar for rage during charge anyway, so you get free SW for the first pack

[cyan bronze]

so io is rly nice

effectively 3x charges of sw starting from pull

does tierset still override sw

like previously it would override a longer sw with a shorter proc from set

but it recently got fixed for monk

so idk if its still like that?

[strong forum]

Does not override

[cyan bronze]

does it add duration?

[strong forum]

All stuff adds now

[cyan bronze]

thats nice

[olive rock]

Just one question, that build with spear that some chinese guys are using, thats legit or nah ? for keys

[wicked pollen]

wdym

[pallid quiver]

I mean spear does more damage than roar assuming you have crit so

The reason you see people using roar is them either opting for Haste/Vers, because it's easier to use, or because it has a lower CD, so it's better as a snap aggro tool

I believe some people will say it's just more damage, but when optimizing for damage, that's just not the case, so their reasoning is flawed, but that shouldn't be acknowledged

[olive rock]

i main fury, i just want to play prot to farm some 10s to get crest, im full haste and mastery

[pallid quiver]

If you're farming 10s play colo

[hardy snow]

imo BrV should now just works all the time, not only for "active" IP, but for less than 10%dmg, cause that would be too op

[pallid quiver]

The only real issue with spear is that you have to aim it. It's not that much further behind roar if you have 0 crit. Also, you shouldn't be running BSV in 10s unless you really don't want to learn the spec and are doing your best to just trudge along, or are direly low geared.

though if the former is that case, you're probably not timing 10s as a tank because the DPS/Heals keep dying from aggro

10s on average should be pretty easy with the gear people have

should, at least

maybe not this late in the season

[olive rock]

that sounds fun

[hardy snow]

they are easy unless you mess up some casts or other crucial mechanics

[pallid quiver]

Colo does a lot more damage than Thane in AOE,

[hardy snow]

I've tried colossus build today, pretty cool, 1.4m dmg, but indeed less tanky

[olive rock]

I can trust the build on the pin ?

[pallid quiver]

So if you're decently competent and confident at Prot, I'd actually literally recommend Colo to you for your purpose

If you're rocking Colo, Nome should have a build on Wowhead somewhere; let me see if I can grab it for ya

If you opt for Colossus, this is the build that'd generally be recommended:
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/colossus/DAOAVVRRFUgEVKSUUBQNVUVEVERFVZVUQDRBAEFVVUBA

Picks all the damage options without giving up non-negotiable defensives

[olive rock]

yeah

thanks man

[pallid quiver]

(Roar does more damage than Spear on Colossus as a heads up because of damage profiles)

Your rotation gets shaken up a bit as Colossus, too, as you mostly aim to spam Revenge as much as possible in AOE, keeping your rage uyp through outburst SS and Bloodsurge rage procs

[cyan bronze]

meh

keep it at 10%

just buff both options

[onyx vessel]

@strong forum colossus meta for next season?

[frozen berry]

with the new 4pc is battering ram going to be taken instead of ravager maybe

[violet ginkgo]

Ravager too good to be passed but we are In dillema. Prot got too much good stuff to take at botttom, I was about to wish that ravager got a good keystone upgrade but… I don’t think we got point for that.

[urban portal]

eh we dont need a good ravager keystone

thatll make points on the bottom even tighter

would be nice tho

[violet ginkgo]

Yeah that's the thing, too much good stuff on bottom but not enough points.

[bronze wraith]

My macro auto tosses spear at my feet. I dont aim it for shit.

[jagged gust]

nah, give ravager unhinged

do it blizz

[round pendant]

You're losing a lot of effectiveness sometimes if you do that

Spear is just too small

Feels terrible

[bronze wraith]

I use it mid pull instead of locking mobs in. I play jeep it simple stupid and the macro helps alot

[round pendant]

Might finally try colossus since that's probably the play next season I'll have to learn it

🤔

[jagged gust]

I keep telling myself that too

[tender cove]

Not sure where I heard this (maybe just wishful thinking) but someone mentioned pug discords that are built around non toxic groups. 1 strike you're banned and cant get more groups from those. Is that a thing?

And if it is, where do i find them? 😛

[ionic fern]

It's hard to say. MT will be the more defensive choice still,but the BT changes paired together with the other changes have made Colossus a lot more appealing. That said - Colossus is fine even now.

[fallow hinge]

with the new IP formula does that mean pwarr is going to want more vers then crit?

[ionic fern]

No.

[prisma crane]

apparently looking at wowhead im a few days late to the blue post, but man.... high APM was what made us fun...

i'd play classic if i wanted to play a slow wow

[onyx vessel]

good

[ionic fern]

We're not even that high APM which is even weirder.

[prisma crane]

i distinctly remember Legion and BFA being faster

and i enjoyed it

late BFA that is

early BFA with IP on GCD was among the worst its ever felt

i already wish we had the Legion AM feedback loop back too

but i guess we're going the other way with it...

[tender cove]

Slower encounters with faster classes. Faster encounters with faster classes is what they are trying to move away from, if i had to guess.
Since they seem to refuse to make content easier, something has to be made easier/slower.

[prisma crane]

to me, the fun of prot for a long time now has been the AM feedback loop

feeling like you have control over your CDR

idc if they make encounters less aids, i agree they actually need to

but the fast class is what makes it fun

i've been saying forever that i wish more items were off gcd tbh

to me, changes like these just further confirm that blizz doesnt have any class devs that ACTUALLY play pwarr

[hardy snow]

the worst part is that after 2 weeks of ppl giving them feedbak that these changes sucks and they want it to be fast as it is, Blizz make bluepost basically saying they dont care about players opinion in this matter

[ionic fern]

Wild that it's a subscription based game and they tell their customers to bug off.

[ionic fern]

Stop being a crybaby.

[sweet summit]

if you hate it then don't play it i think? or am i insane for that

[hardy snow]

Yea, I always couldn't understand such comments. There are other, slower specs if someone doesn't like it. Blizz could even make "both sides" happy with making colossus viable defensively and lower paced, and thane viable offensively and faster paced.

[jagged pier]

I mean they could just play colossus

he literally said its an alt

[hardy snow]

alt for casual content

[ionic fern]

The more I read that thread the more depressed i become.

[hardy snow]

But people like that guy aren't the problem, it's ok that someone doesnt like faster gameplay

Imo worst thing is that Blizz ignores majority of players, because "some players" don't like it

[ionic fern]

I like this guys enthusiasm for the right goal,but the reasoning is kinda questionable.

[hardy snow]

It's like parent in a park with kids, 3 of them wants to go for ice cream, but 4th wants waffles, so parent decides that everyone will have waffle

[sweet summit]

that's crazy

[ionic fern]

Please voice your concerns about the 11.1 Protection Warrior changes also on the official threads.
US:
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/prot-warrior-111-ptr-feedback/2041687/239
EU:
https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/feedback-protection-warrior/556286

[hardy snow]

I wanted to reply to that bluepost, but I don't have lvl10 character in US so I cant post there 😐
Can I make like free starter or some shit to just lvl up and be able to post on US forums?

[jagged pier]

yep

[hardy snow]

Cool, I don't think it will change anything, as after few weeks of feedback they posted that they don't care, but still worth trying

I've played on this ptr, not much but it's because after few min on training dummy I had enough

Similar vibe when I've tried classic back when it released. 10 min and it's like "I'm done, this shit is too boring, I don't want to stare at my character meleeing mob when when basic rotation skills are on cd and I cant do anything"

[jagged pier]

brah classic is actually peak

but only if your deep prot

and in low gear

and lvl 60

stance dancing giga fun

[hardy snow]

yeah, endgame probably is still cool, but such lvling is not amusing for me anymore as it was many years ago

[ionic fern]

Just lvl one to 10

That's what I ended up doing.

[ember token]

Or use orc, didnt they start as lvl 10 now?

The mag'har ones

[hardy snow]

I didn't have any additional races available, so Im leveling one now

I guess US realms are separate even if its unlocked on EU realm

[ember token]

Ah I cheated with the MOP event, oh well...

[violet ginkgo]

Can't voice, they restrict the comment if you are not subscribed and well I am currently not subbing.

[sweet summit]

same

gg

[hardy snow]

If someone is unsubbed, he is probably not happy with the game, and devs dont want negative feedback, that could hurt their feelings!

[robust urchin]

Hopefully they remove rage all together and fuse IP and Shield block into one ability called "Defense"

That way I can just press defense to tank and not get overwhelmed by mechanics

[tardy abyss]

Thats an opinion straight out of the forum thread

[robust urchin]

Why yes I am a paying customer after all, being a dad of 6 who works 10 hours a day I just simply do not have the energy or time to learn this high octane playing style

[tardy abyss]

Hot take but not everything needs to be dumbed down so everyone can play everything

[hardy snow]

and combine shield slam, thunder clap, revenge and other dmg abilities into one ability called "offense"

[robust urchin]

When I log in twice a week to do a delve I need to be able to enjoy it

[tardy abyss]

If youre overwhelmed by pwar, which is already very simple, go play guardian druid

[waxen frigate]

[tardy abyss]

If the devs make sure anyone can play any class then everything becomes monotonous

Which is just not fun

[robust urchin]

Why would I play a class that is already a slow APM style when I explicitly want to play warrior but the same way

[tardy abyss]

But why do they have to be the same way?

[robust urchin]

Very good idea I am forwarding this to blizzard

[robust urchin]

Because I want it to be

[tardy abyss]

Troll detected

[hardy snow]

almost done with exile's reach on us realm 😄

[robust urchin]

You must be one of the cry babies who just can't understand when a class is to hard to play and needs changing for the better. I happen to play all tanks very competitively me and my guild raid 3 days were killing lfr. And in my expert opinion warrior is just to hard to play

[tardy abyss]

Honestly if you said heroic instead of lfr you could genuinely bait someone

[hardy snow]

you know, this whole sarcasm sounds funny, until you realize Blizzard is actually making changes based on such feedback

[robust urchin]

People who raid heroic don't usually have asinine delusions

[tardy abyss]

But 4/8M do

So maybe that is even better

[robust urchin]

I know what else is there to do but laugh at it

It's my coping mechanism

[dark barn]

Warrior isnt hard to play by any means. Its a combo of super simple rotation and mitigation with tons of buttons you rarely use

[tardy abyss]

Please, we dont have tons of buttons

[robust urchin]

Excellent point the button bloat is incredible I can barely click rend with my mouse before it falls off

[dark barn]

We have in fact. But they are bad. We have like near the amount of monk

[robust urchin]

We need to reduce choice and buttons on pwarrior

[dark barn]

We dont cast rend. We cast thunderclap with the passive rend

[tardy abyss]

You only need 1-5 and the shift modifier to cover everything

How is that a lot

[robust urchin]

Buddy
It's my sub I pay for it so I play how I want ok?

[dark barn]

Its a lot of buttons NUMERICALLY. Dont means its hard and dont means you will press berserk rage and slam

[tardy abyss]

Hard disagree

[dark barn]

Count the number of skills

My war actions bars are almost filled like the dk and monk bars

[tardy abyss]

And mine are half empty

Definitely busier when I play hunter

[simple oasis]

This is so cap

[dark barn]

Cause you dont moved your skills to it. Dont means they're dont exist

[robust urchin]

I still have Devastate on my bars

[tardy abyss]

Pepperidge farm remembers when everyone complained about too few buttons

[robust urchin]

[tardy abyss]

Now we are at too many buttons again even tho half of them are never used

😦

[simple oasis]

Maybe you don't use them

[robust urchin]

Prot warrior is just to fast paced for modern gamers these days it needs to change

[tardy abyss]

Make pwar dps scale with mouse flicking to please the Fortnite gamers

[robust urchin]

No you don't know anything about gamers

[tardy abyss]

Fuck

[robust urchin]

You need to make defense and offense (the two new abilities) play family guy compilation and subway surfers to keep their attention

[tardy abyss]

And add APT as the background music?

Or whatever is trending on tiktok

[hardy snow]

Now we will have buttons, but we cant click them cause cd dont reset or not enough rage

[tardy abyss]

gg button bloat fixed

[robust urchin]

No it's gonna be Abba any song but slow and reverbed with military marching in the background for some reason

[tardy abyss]

Damn I think I missed that trend

Doesnt sound too pleasing though

[robust urchin]

https://youtube.com/shorts/KicB-qvNmLI?si=vk4NlrrXnunwFk9L

[tardy abyss]

Jesus christ

[robust urchin]

It's worse

Most of them are about Germany and the Wehrmacht

[tardy abyss]

Considering the current events, not even that offtopic

[waxen frigate]

https://youtu.be/kSITcm-nCC0?si=_xnvoGhoPJobNN7V

You just need this

[robust urchin]

For the last time he was just enthusiastic!!!!!

[hardy snow]

They still don't let me post, char is even trackable in armory, yet forums can't read their own api data

[harsh trellis]

Give it 15 to 20 mins give or take after you reach level 10

[remote anchor]

are you eu?

[noble wind]

Do we know what the tank tier list looks like for S2?

[remote anchor]

no

[harsh trellis]

Tier lists are silly anyway

[hardy snow]

it's already few hours 😄

[hardy snow]

yes, I did character on US realm especially for forum access :v
guess have to wait longer

[remote anchor]

you just need to change the us in the url to eu

you dont need a us character

lole

[hardy snow]

EU forum is separate one, and blizz posted recent bluepost (which I want to reply to) in feedback thread on US forum

[ionic fern]

They don't read/react to eu forums. Only US ones.

[merry sluice]

something something
"We don't care about your feedback"

[cyan bronze]

I mean

not to be doomer

but half the time it feels like they don’t read or react to us forums

[round pendant]

these people never played bear ig

Prot war is comfy enough to play suboptimally since all you need to do is press shield block every now and then and you're fine

bear just goes splat if you don't mash ironfur 24/7

[strong forum]

It's the people who don't play or enjoy prot to then compliment nerfs that ruin the spec

While it is important to take feedback from people outside of the box aswell, because there are legitimate reasons why X spec isn't fun for some

But apm is a reason why it's fun for those who do play it

Don't alienate the loyal enjoyer to accommodate bypassers

Is my subjective take, could be wrong

But sounds logical to me

[hardy snow]

according to Blizzard, you're wrong

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/wrong-drumpf-trump-stupid-gif-6220235

[strong forum]

And then people are going "if you want apm play outlaw or fury"

[jagged pier]

how i tank den?

[strong forum]

But I don't want to play weasly rogue or filthy fury

[harsh trellis]

And then people say Fury apm isnt nearly as fast as prot...

[strong forum]

Fury apm is on-gcd apm but not real apm

It's just spammy

The fun of prot is that it's off-gcd and on-gcd

[harsh trellis]

my thumb gets tired playin fury, never with prot

[strong forum]

Fury is just spammy af

No like

No meat

No weight to it's buttons

Missing that oomph of a 6mil execute

[cerulean tusk]

Nome talking like companies don't always cater to the mythical wider audience

[strong forum]

Which is awful

That's how you go broke

Look at from software

[cerulean tusk]

One day they will hit gold, and make 1000x, it is all a numbers game

Pwarr shall rise!

The floodgates of low apm tanks flow into wow, drowning the que times

[strong forum]

It's always a numbers game they could just give us a 50% aura buff and suddenly the wider audience would love how well the class plays

Numbers = fun

[hardy snow]

higher on details = more fun

until nerfhammer hits

[cerulean tusk]

Actually, I think number on screen matter more. Why demolish fails do deliver. The dam isn't presented well.

[strong forum]

80% of this games problems would unironically disappear if logs and details didn't exist

(and also 80% of my personal fun)

[jagged pier]

get ready for SR to get giga nerfed as its on logs now

all those nice SRs

gunna be deflects soon

[hardy snow]

SR

[cerulean tusk]

If you do a 12 million deathstrike crit. You have fun.
You see 3 million demo, it doesn't matter if it totaled 40m

Big number on screen matters

[strong forum]

I'll like it if it plays in my favour, I'll hate it if it doesn't

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

And for now, it's in my favour

So I'll like it

[jagged pier]

[cerulean tusk]

Did they readd the SR dam? Thought they removed it because it was "cheese"

And not a class mechanic

[round pendant]

That's what I said hehe

but it was more in the context of warrior's APM just being high because of having to spam an absorb

is that really engaging gameplay?

I'd be all for 90apm prot warrior if it wasn't that high just because of IP

[strong forum]

Prot apm is high because of off-gcd buttons

Rogue and fury are high because of short gcd

SB, avatar, IP, leap, charge, taunt

[round pendant]

yeah but IP is 15-20 of those APMs

[strong forum]

Yeah, which is fun

SB is 5

[round pendant]

is it?

[strong forum]

Yes it is

I played prot at 130cpm

Where it was 60cpm on IP

That's fun af

Cuz you need to move your hand a lot very quick

Hit those off-gcds between gcds

Is fun

It keeps a rhythm going

And not just "okay 12312312313312" like fury

[round pendant]

If IP was an attack I'd prob agree but IP basically has zero impact

[strong forum]

With no variation

[round pendant]

unless you're aware of all the effects of spending rage

which most people aren't gonna care about

press button, nothing happens??

[strong forum]

"it doesn't have an impact, if you ignore the impact it has"

[round pendant]

It doesn't have feedback I guess is what I'm trying to say

[strong forum]

[round pendant]

you shield slam it goes BONK and you see big number

[cerulean tusk]

Well, IP activation sfx/animation is low if any impact. Sure

Still affects gameplay

[hardy snow]

I see impact on my healthbar

[strong forum]

The feedback is that you healed yourself, reduced your cooldowns, reapplied your defensive absorb and progressed outburst