so how do y'all feel about their explanation?
#protection
maiden ravine
orchid mural
like they never played warrior ever
maiden ravine
I mean I get the complaints about the APM, but painful is a new one, but I always strive to make sure my ignore pain is a comfy hotkey
cerulean tusk
It is what they already said, no?
If they want to reduce APM and off GCD IP is the problem, they should put it on GCD.
Procs procing, doesnt affect APM, it only affects what GCD you fill with. Be it revenge or a shield slam.
If you want to reduce APM effectively, you got to either have dead GCDs or increase the GCD.
orchid mural
maiden forge
just make ignore pain a sliding scale of 30-60 rage
like execute
then you spam it less
maiden ravine
fewer shield slams that hit harder and generate more rage wouldn't be the end of the world to me except it really weakens the overlap talent.
maiden forge
less rage spent also really weakens AM
cerulean tusk
Only due to IP, if IP is the issue - putting it on a CD would solve all their issues.
abstract iris
It is what they already said, no?
If they want to reduce APM and off GCD IP is t...
Sorry but ignore pain being on gcd would feel awful
maiden forge
or just making it a sliding scale
cerulean tusk
Yep, it would
maiden forge
30-60 rage
cerulean tusk
We not talking about making the spec fun, here.
We are talking lowering APM
efficently
maiden forge
like, you would press it half as often basically if you did the sliding scale
toxic pewter
Most people are tired of the insanely high apm so it doesn’t surprise me blizz making changes
abstract iris
Most people are tired of the insanely high apm so it doesn’t surprise me blizz m...
Tbh if high apm is a problem the main culprit would be the haste stat
errant oriole
putting ignore pain on GCD... didn't blizzard try that in season 1 of BFA?
cerulean tusk
APM isnt really affected that much tho, only the ignore pain casts. If they want to affect the brunt of it, they got to fix the GCD or CD lock us.
This is just a can kicked down the road. Either we wont press IP, or we press IP and problem with over 60 APM persists.
As with more haste, GCD locked APM increases.
light vale
i guess that comes down to what you define high apm as hitting the glowing button and your other 2 off the gcd buttons is not that much higher then any other tank imo
orchid mural
Sorry but ignore pain being on gcd would feel awful
welcome to S1 of BFA, with IP on GCD. it was universally loathed.
orchid mural
Most people are tired of the insanely high apm so it doesn’t surprise me blizz m...
point to me this feedback?
cerulean tusk
Go to the forum, there is tons of that
That is not a joke, it is a problem #1 brought up
toxic pewter
Tbh if high apm is a problem the main culprit would be the haste stat
It’s funny you mention that, I am head of the anti-haste faction in wow
light vale
last i checked general discussion is not a great place to get feedback from
toxic pewter
Ask anyone around how apb feel about haste
cerulean tusk
I enjoy haste, I am counter factioning you
Pro Haste Vs Anti Haste
chose your sides lads
maiden forge
orchid mural
i'll subscribe to the faction of haste > all.
and all i see is feedback that high apm prot war is fun and what we want.
maiden forge
i just want prot to not play like ass
and it really didnt play like ass before for me
toxic pewter
I’m not against the benefits of haste I just think the haste benefits should just be baked into abilities at an agreeable level
light vale
it doesnt play like shit though it just doesnt compared to how much ultility/safety a prot pally brings
signal field
wait but i like prot warrior because the high apm
cerulean tusk
Well, go druid
maiden forge
yeah, i like the high apm of prot
toxic pewter
Yah but you also are in this discord lol
cerulean tusk
warrior is going to slow down by like a tiny amount of APM
toxic pewter
Anyone in this channel typing right now does not reflect the greater playerbase that plays prot warr
maiden forge
neither do you tho?
cerulean tusk
Hm, I think we got a wide range of prot warriors in here. Prob representation of most views, honestly.
toxic pewter
Nah
maiden forge
im just giving my feelings on it, and i dont really care what the player base says. If it goes from feeling good to me, to feeling bad, that sucks for me
toxic pewter
Most players have never even stepped foot in a key or raid
maiden forge
cerulean tusk
Those players dont care about the APM tho
they dont even notice the procs
World content you dont spam IP
(and if you argue APM should go down for them, that is increase GCD or make dead GCDs - not whatever this is)
toxic pewter
They don’t even know what apm means but doesn’t mean they don’t understand the concept
Those are the true players
cerulean tusk
If there is a problem, solve the problem - or dont poke things about for no reason.
toxic pewter
They just have fun
maiden forge
if they are having fun, they wouldnt be complaining
cerulean tusk
if they fill their GCDs or not, dont matter for their content - and they dont care
maiden forge
cerulean tusk
For them it is a non issue
orchid mural
point to me all this feedback about high apm for prot wars from casuals please.
maiden forge
ye, this guy is just talking out his ass rn
toxic pewter
It’s not about apm to them it never was
cerulean tusk
point to me all this feedback about high apm for prot wars from casuals please.
WoW forum, usually 1 thread each week going off about it
toxic pewter
It’s about fun
cerulean tusk
"WoW is too fast" and so on, is a pretty standard complaint
toxic pewter
And prot warr is not fun and hasn’t been fun for a long while
orchid mural
"WoW is too fast" and so on, is a pretty standard complaint
yeah but is that PWAR related?
cerulean tusk
yeah but is that PWAR related?
Pwarr is part of the problem, as one of the higher APM or rather CPM classes
toxic pewter
Nah to most players it’s not which is why it’s the least played tank unless we are powerful
So somethin gotta give and they refuse to do a rework it seems
maiden forge
bro trying to shove his opinion on prot warrior on to a "most players say" narrative
signal field
And prot warr is not fun and hasn’t been fun for a long while
fun is subjective
orchid mural
like fuck, im 40 yrs old, tanking 3.1k this season, and i love the high APM.
If they want to change high APM
then change all the damn classes.
cerulean tusk
where do you find your magical datapoints?
toxic pewter
Just tellin it like it is
cerulean tusk
No, you are making shit up
pallid quiver
They really said that Revenge! should be a proc we play around
when the design of the proc is actually detrimental to the spec half the time
light vale
the thing is if it was really about lowering apm for classes why didnt things like fire mage or other classes get a tuning pass? its just a bullshit justification
cerulean tusk
But you talking about the "super majority mass of players" that dont do content
How do you know they not around?
signal field
Prot warr least popular tank unless were very powerful
i fear that its because they bring little to no useful utility
toxic pewter
Right but they can judge what’s fun or not
cerulean tusk
As they wont care about meta
toxic pewter
And prot warr is not fun
cerulean tusk
they are unaffected
pallid quiver
the thing is if it was really about lowering apm for classes why didnt things li...
More tellingly, specifically Prot Pal, which is also a tank, and also has very close APM to Prot War. I heard it actually got even faster, even
cerulean tusk
Then why would they be around now - if it is so unfun?
Sorry Apb, you usually got some ok logical thoughts. But now you out in the brush picking berries as arguments
It is basically "I dont like it." Your opinions
toxic pewter
Just tellin it like it is
signal field
i mean its fair to have an opinion, but its unfair to say your opinion speaks for all
maiden ravine
I love the idea of Colossus warrior, but there's just so many classes I can play right now that warrior hasn't been near the top for me.
pallid quiver
i mean its fair to have an opinion, but its unfair to say your opinion speaks fo...
Careful, that's a dangerous stance to take. People will stab you over that
also how dare you, Jamaltanks, dare to make an assumption that everyone thinks it's unfair your opinion speaks for all, why are you so hypocritical
oof, I'm feeling some past gripes pouring out of me
signal field
also how dare you, Jamaltanks, dare to make an assumption that everyone thinks i...
;-;
frosty holly
I mean if we take simcrafts raid APM list We arnt even in the top there. Sure that's raid so not the full picture. But where are the APM changes for the others if it's an issue for regular players?
maiden ravine
I mean that's pretty fast. I definitely have complaints that Outlaw is too fast.
You might notice it less on prot warrior cause so much of that is just IP dumping
light vale
thats because its not and they cant just say were nerfing it for the sake of reducing power
pallid quiver
I mean that's pretty fast. I definitely have complaints that Outlaw is too fast.
But then there's also Colossus, which slows the spec down
signal field
all my favorite classes are on that list except brew and sin rogue
pallid quiver
So they could have actually gone out of their way to actually successfully appeal to both sides for once
and instead they shot everyone
maiden ravine
all my favorite classes are on that list except brew and sin rogue
that's cause sin rogue is down even further haha
pallid quiver
and are now trying to scramble back to making the spec back to functioning
frosty holly
ya it aint the full list 😄
maiden ravine
Sin and feral druid are the two slowest specs in the game right now I think.
frosty holly
Here you go. The rest
maiden ravine
oh, forgot about devastation.
maiden ravine
For some reason devastation doesn't feel slow
pallid quiver
Realistically, the entire problem they're having stems from the entire design of the spec and how it works, as well as the talents. They actively need to rework the spec at this point, since there's no knobs they can use to realistically control the spec.
frosty holly
Ye it really dont feel 36 actions slow at least
pallid quiver
Everything is too tightly built and functions
signal field
bring back gladiator stance
pallid quiver
Ye it really dont feel 36 actions slow at least
Anything with cast times will generally feel faster than it is to most people, especially if you're the type to keep pressing buttons during cast times
light vale
they have to rework the rage machine feedback loop at this point
they shot themselves in the foot when they made that system in shadowlands cause it ended up bringing everything together
pallid quiver
they have to rework the rage machine feedback loop at this point
They'll have to rework how the rest of the spec functions, as well, since that feedback loop is literally the spine of the spec
it dies if you remove that, since SB uptime will even end up affected
maiden forge
light vale
all i know is theyve tried slowing it down (nerfing it) 3 times at this point and its still the cornerstone of every build
frozen ice
is it just me or did that blue post basically say we hear you and dont care and are going to continue to slow down the spec?
maiden forge
is it just me or did that blue post basically say we hear you and dont care and ...
it sounds like that yes
pallid quiver
On a serious note, I don't think anyone can possibly be happy in the end at all. Any rework that achieves what Blizz wants to do that I personally can think of will alienate literally every current player of the spec, since it'll be an entirely new spec effectively at that point. So Blizz wouldn't even be happy with that, since they'll have to deal with that fallout.
honest wedge
I mean they stated that is the goal.
maiden forge
it sounds as tone deaf as the posts about the arms and fury changes going into tww
frozen ice
like they seem to think its just about rage gen when the issue is not having shit to press
pallid quiver
is it just me or did that blue post basically say we hear you and dont care and ...
They're trying to showcase that they do, in fact, understand how the spec works, and want to let people know why they did what they did.
Unfortunately, we already know why they did it, since we know from the changes they made
light vale
wym revenge is a great button which is why we ingore pressing it half the time even whens it free its better to hit thunderclap
wait a minute
pallid quiver
Don't forget them bringing up the free revenge proc and that we should play around it
y'know, the proc that is sometimes actively detrimental to us
frozen ice
they keep showing they dont understand how so many specs work
maiden forge
ye
frozen ice
with the changes they keeep making
pallid quiver
since it doesn't generate or spend rage
maiden forge
light vale
it applies deep wounds in aoe thats it
maiden forge
honestly, would rather the proc be just "revenge does 20% more damage"
light vale
its not even better damage when you account for thunderblast
pallid quiver
They have a general understanding of how Prot War functions, but they're not achieving what they want to fully with these changes
pallid quiver
its not even better damage when you account for thunderblast
They also have to account for Colo, where Revenge is definitely worth pressing
Even if you don't like it, or it's currently considered bad or whatever, it now exists in the game and deserves attention. But
Even Colo doesn't fully benefit from free revenges currently, because it's not generating or spending rage
maiden forge
honestly, if the proc generated us rage, it would be neat
pallid quiver
They should just make it count as if it costed that much rage. They've had effects like that before
maiden forge
yeah, that works too
hardy snow
That's stupid thinking. It's obvious that for some players high apm is a problem. And that's why we have different tanks that have lower APM. They totally ignore all the players that liked to play prot war exactly because of high apm...
pallid quiver
not interesting and still wouldn't change decision making, but
that's the issue with the rage machine and current ability design
maiden forge
honestly, if colossus made that proc generate you 20 rage or something, that would be cool for its rage economy when contrasted with thane
pallid quiver
You'd likely still prio TC in ST because TC has a CD, so you'd get access to it sooner, depending on how the proc works exactly
so you'd get more rage overtime like that
maiden forge
true
signal field
wait what if colossus is slow apm and thane is giga high apm, best of both worlds
pallid quiver
(Currently, Colo in AOE already presses TC pretty much just for rend)
maiden forge
was just food for thought
pallid quiver
wait what if colossus is slow apm and thane is giga high apm, best of both world...
That's what I brought up
hardy snow
"We are cutting down excess rage and we are making you have less shield slams so you can use excess rage (that we want to get rid off) on revege and other abilites." lol
pallid quiver
And they chose not to do that
light vale
they could make revenge have a defensive component like increased parry for x amount of seconds or something like that but i cant see them doing it
maiden forge
im just gonna sit here waiting for either buffs before patch hits, or the .5 patch where they fix the spec
signal field
i like to eat a plate of spaghetti during pulls sometimes so i really enjoy these changes
maiden forge
maybe we will get the prot pally treatment in the .5 patch and become god
frozen ice
i hate them slowing down specs. they did this with feral and tried with assassination because of some people complaining
frosty holly
Insert "So much room for activities gif" Just not the activities we want 😄
light vale
they really just need to start addressing the utility disparity between tanks its actually wild how much more ProtP and Veng dh has over the other 4
frosty holly
Ye, actually suprises me they haven't done anything there for some time
maiden forge
they also actively fight against giving warrior utility
almost let us intervene people to give them spell reflect
frosty holly
Like i love my prot pala also. Because i have so much stuff i can help my group with. Or just make it easier for myself when i pug on that class
But boi do they have to much
light vale
the fact we have to fight and give up a major talent for disrupting shout is just crazy
and its not even that strong
frosty holly
And palas have that AoE interrupt... Ish with divine toll
- Can run that talent that makes Avenger shield have nearly no CD and just spam interrupts that way
signal field
we also have aoe interuppt
signal field
i know
light vale
which you have to give up ravager/bsv/bloodsurge for
frosty holly
Ye* i was responding to CyraKDD Jamal 😄
frozen ice
and needs to actually interrupt to work
frosty holly
Compared our AoE interrupt to divine toll
maiden forge
and we also cant heal others, have immunes with taunts attached, and a lot of other stuff
frozen ice
heard a while back that they dont want to give warriors more utility because of PVP balance
frosty holly
Then just don't allow those to work in PvP
maiden forge
this is why i really wish they would just do the ff14 treatment and just make pvp a different game basically
with totally different abilities
frosty holly
Yes please
light vale
yea theres a reason pvp talents exist and things actively have the saying "this does not apply to pvp combat"
frosty holly
I haven't touched PvP for several expansions at this point. Neither have majority of my guild
maiden forge
its cause its ded
to the point where blizz has actively joked about it being dead
toxic pewter
You guys should get back into PvP it’s a lot of fun
frosty holly
to the point where blizz has actively joked about it being dead
hah really?
maiden forge
hah really?
ye, i remember seeing a twitter post that had a small jab at it
signal field
classic pvp is a lot of fun especially when i find some poor horde guy trying to level and i absolutely dunk on em
toxic pewter
Wow PvP far from dead yeah it’s not as popular as pve but many people still PvP a lot
frosty holly
classic pvp is a lot of fun especially when i find some poor horde guy trying to...
What i liked with classic PvP was the fact that fight didn't last about a minute xD
rolls up as enhancement 2h shaman and got lucky Windfury proc
I mean no skill at all involved
But felt good
signal field
thats the best part about classic pvp
maiden forge
classic pvp can go hard ye
frosty holly
Also remember me and another warrior in the 40-49? Level bracket just keeping the whole horde team dead on ther GY with just the 2 of us
maiden forge
you could be like 8 levels lower than a person, but just get a few chain lucky crits and win a fight
toxic pewter
Solo shuffle and bg blitz are great. Highly recommend checking them out
If you want a challenge get 2400 in solo shuffle every round is never the same
frosty holly
I doubt I'd get to 2400 with my current PvP skills. As stated earlier i haven't touched PvP much for several expansions now
surreal birch
You might notice it less on prot warrior cause so much of that is just IP dumpin...
ye it's basically that, keeping IP up, since you already need 3? casts to make it full, that's what bumps the APM so high, nerfing SS is a bad move
toxic pewter
I doubt I'd get to 2400 with my current PvP skills. As stated earlier i haven't ...
Ngl getting to 2400 as arms warr for first time was prob most difficult thing I’ve done in wow so far but also most rewarding
frosty holly
Well then congratulations are in order!
toxic pewter
You should go for it. Never give up
signal field
follow your dreams, dont let anyone tell you what to do
except for me, you have to listen to me and there is no choice
errant oriole
lol!
maiden forge
i mean, crit blocks do feel good when they basically nullify big blockable hits
urban bane
Though I still don't like the changes, I really appreciate that we at least got a blue response. I also still think it is silly to have this take for prot warrior and not apply it consistently across other specs. To their credit, perhaps prot warrior is just the "easiest" target to implement.
Glad they at least responded though.
signal field
its just to let us know that its hibernation season again for us
we got our time to shine in s1 but now its time for jamaltanks to ride the bench once again
void shard
Though I still don't like the changes, I really appreciate that we at least got ...
Isnt the bluepost literally the same thing that they said when they announced the changes ? Same thing but with more words
urban bane
This just helps me know I shouldn't hold my breath.
I'm not saying that I get it now or that I agree.
north atlas
Dont accept this
void shard
^
ember token
Just read the post and... who the hell are these people who 'dont like high APM'. Who the hell did they ask? I'm seriously confused with that... also nobody ask them to play with high APM, they wont do high content anyway
ember token
I bet no matter what will be said, some intern said 'But... this is too fast for me' and they nerfed it. Job done and go next.
north atlas
If you want to waste your breath or energy on it, by all means
All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing
urban bane
Touch grass
north atlas
Lol
signal field
Just read the post and... who the hell are these people who 'dont like high APM'...
probably the people like me who like to eat spaghetti mid pull
frail ibex
The whole high apm thing is such bs
I feel like I am sleeping when I am playing prot compared to fury
I guess one of the dogshit devs at blizz tried prot and said it was too much
sigh
If anything its way more of an issue in bear
Having so spam iron fur so much
north atlas
The whole high apm thing is such bs
Goto fourm and state your opinion
frail ibex
Meh they don't care
I'm 1 person
if they cared
you wouldn't have classes like brewmaster
north atlas
It adds up
waxen cradle
I do agree with we should voice our opinions, but the problem is they are not listening or don't care what the opinions are of those who enjoy the spec as it is now. They think they are right to make these changes and clearly our complaints and/or opinions thus far fell on deaf ears as was made clear by there blue post where they are attempting to justify there ignorant and tone deaf changes.
mighty valley
I feel like I am sleeping when I am playing prot compared to fury
with respect I’m not sure you’re playing prot right then
both are gcd locked and prot presses a ton of off-gcd buttons on top of that
frail ibex
Its still not alot lol
mighty valley
it’s one of the highest in the game
ruby musk
When I'm playing prot, I feel like I'm playing a piano between my mouse and regular keybinds. Fury I can more or less fit them all onto my mouse with the few big CDs. Prot was faster and a little more chaotic then fury's steady (but fast) rhythm.
frail ibex
Idk I think maybe wow players are just little bitches
ruby musk
As much as I hate seeing it in the blue post, I'm in that category. Two seasons of slapping shield slam every millisecond to not miss a proc did a number on my knuckles.
frail ibex
imo in terms of higher content I actually think fury is harder then prot
ruby musk
Downside of getting older I guess.
signal field
my wrist starts to hurt when i play too long
ruby musk
imo in terms of higher content I actually think fury is harder then prot
Could be, but I can put the main rotation on my mouse and not cripple myself playing.
frail ibex
Yeah thats true
mighty valley
dps is generally harder than tanking at the top end
frail ibex
0 button spec with high uptime req
Idk maybe it doesn't bother me since I have been playing fury since wod?
mighty valley
dps only seems easier at the bottom end because your mistakes aren’t noticed when the content is easy
royal mist
signal field
i currently have ip bound to 5(dont judge me), does anyone know a way i can just hold down the button so i dont hurt myself slamming the key so much?
ruby musk
I guess that's also why I dabbled in devastation evo
north atlas
dps is generally harder than tanking at the top end
A missed gcd= death as a tank not as a dps
frail ibex
A missed gcd= death as a tank not as a dps
What level are you thinking when he says top end?
north atlas
13 and up
north atlas
Explain
cyan bronze
I don’t really care about the argument but this comes off so cringe
fresh burrow
i currently have ip bound to 5(dont judge me), does anyone know a way i can just...
I have it bound to mouse wheel down and that helped me
mighty valley
i currently have ip bound to 5(dont judge me), does anyone know a way i can just...
find whatever’s comfortable. some people do mouse wheel or mouse4 or whatever’s easy to press. I have it on A while moving with ESDF lol
frail ibex
A missed gcd= death as a tank not as a dps
Also the only way you should be missing a gcd is if you get a lag spike that prevents you from hitting any of your keys
frail ibex
I have a question
sup
spiral jetty
So based on this surely we'll see ppal and bear get the same treatment right? 
cyan bronze
Is fury good now
frail ibex
Is fury good now
LOL
signal field
do you think they are going to cut down on apm on all classes just to reduce chance of self injury like carpal tunnel?
frail ibex
Nah blizz messed up they typed nerf wrong
ruby musk
Wait til you learn why they gave that lol
cyan bronze
Nah blizz messed up they typed nerf wrong
Real
cyan bronze
Wait til you learn why they gave that lol
why
frail ibex
do you think they are going to cut down on apm on all classes just to reduce cha...
Please no
I dont want classic gameplay
only class that should be nerfed with apm is bear with iron fur
cyan bronze
do you think they are going to cut down on apm on all classes just to reduce cha...
i have carpal tunnel
lowkey
its a get over it moment
signal field
I dont want classic gameplay
oh for sure, thats some real spaghetti eating gameplay but im saying like cutting down on off the gcd abilities
mighty valley
only class that should be nerfed with apm is bear with iron fur
prot has higher apm, why should only guardian be reduced
frail ibex
prot has higher apm, why should only guardian be reduced
Because my thumb hurts when I hit ironfur it doesn't with ignore pain
with bear its all in 1 button
prot its across several
cyan bronze
THUMB?
mighty valley
i think high apm is fun, but I can agree that it’s counter intuitive to ram a bunch of empty ip casts just to spend the rage. I just think that fixing that would require a level of rework they don’t have the time to do now
frail ibex
ya
cyan bronze
actually so fucking cursed
frail ibex
why lol
cyan bronze
mousewheel
frail ibex
thats ping
signal field
i press 5
cyan bronze
scroll is ping?
cyan bronze
put if on scroll 👍
signal field
alt+scroll for zoom, bind regular scroll
frail ibex
I should just get a peddle
cyan bronze
unless u like routinely scrolling in so you can see your ass
frail ibex
and use that instead
round cliff
do i have to play guardian next patch
round pendant
The whole high apm thing is such bs
All well and good but why nerf strategist
round pendant
If anything its way more of an issue in bear
This is what I said lmao, bear feels way worse than prot even if it's technically less apm
sharp gale
I feel like I am sleeping when I am playing prot compared to fury
Just a feeling, fury have almost 0 off gcd, IP contributes heavily on the APM of prot
signal field
Mkx taught me good
dont lie u played full auto jackie
sharp gale
Yeah it is button smashers but I never understood why people feel it’s more than other melee specs
frail ibex
dont lie u played full auto jackie
LOL
signal field
scum
round pendant
Fury is a lot chiller than prot imo
because prot yeah you literally have to mash the shit out of IP sometimes
It is bad design and I support their reasoning for changing prot
but I don't like less shield slams
tender cove
Anyone know why its not possible to copy my bindings from retail to classic?
Even if i straight copy bindings? it doesnt copy all of them??
tender cove
Wasnt enough to copy over char specific. Account settings was overwriting it for some reason. Once i copied bindings in all possible places. It applied 😄
tender cove
2 hours of trying to setup classic and im done with wow for this quarter... See you Q2 xD
I so hate love this shit game 😄
violet ginkgo
Is prot saved now with the recent buffs to fury and arms ?
definitely not
obsidian girder
Was just kidding 😂
Bluepost is at least a sign, that they got aware that a lot of people are unhappy. Hope they will get back to our current apm, that's what the class makes fun to me and outstanding
round pendant
They're not restoring the apm
and I don't know how you think 25 extra CPM of just pressing oGCD slop is fun or outstanding
You're still going to be pressing buttons every gcd
old juniper
Was just kidding 😂
Bluepost is at least a sign, that they got aware that a lo...
That post was more them patting themselves on the back than acknowledging any feedback. The see it as a job well done, it’s not going back.
jagged pier
Its still fun be ause high apm is only for thane
And there writing it lile its for both
Which it isnt
Colossus is lower than other rank specs
cerulean tusk
But think of our hands 
cerulean tusk
Ain't done, before cpm is 40 or less would be funny if they did that
obsidian girder
astral pendant
Hey all, new to Pro warrior and loving it! (M+ is still a scary prospect but we’ll get there).
I was wondering if there is a cap to Haste as our “main” secondary stat? I’m sitting at 30% for reference and playing MT
cerulean tusk
Not really a cap, no. If you want to optimise a bit, you can use raidbots. But in general more is better either way for DMG and surv
astral pendant
I haven’t worked out simming yet but I understand there’s no better answer than to aim for sure.
I was starting to wonder I should get some Vers for my gems etc, although admittedly even at 612il I already feel very confident with the damage mitigation.
cerulean tusk
Just do haste/crit or haste/Vers or mastery, and you pretty safe.
If you play col, I would go the crit version
astral pendant
On my phone atm but from memory I’m something like 30% haste, 20% crit, 12% mastery and 9% vers.
Mostly MT but just starting to try Col a little now that I’m feeling stronger.
cerulean tusk
Don't sweat with stat breakdowns, all you need is haste and the 2nd stats of your choice.
Col takes a bit time to get used to. But been my fav one, so keep falling back to it (feels more like playing the game)
-:if you got gold to waste, do a full crit/mast col build. It is kinda stupid fun
astral pendant
Sounds fun! Thanks for all the info
strange lintel
https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-on-protection-warrior-design-goals-and-feedback-on-11-1-ptr-366720
do people really feel like prot warrior has that much button pressing? never really felt that way personally but..
flat garden
I feel like it does when all CD's are up (at least as thane) but other than that I don't think it has more than Prot Pal or outlaw rogue for example.
It's more than the average class but not ridiculously high either
hollow bolt
blizzards always been an odd duck with gcds, shammys had the same thing happen when they gutted there shadowlands tier for 2 spammy
shit im like, a quater sure its why we lost hs (that and they couldent ballance it/they chagned rage fundementally/warrior is a diffrent animal then its prehistoric version)
fallow hinge
so they lower the amount of ss we get to use other stuff like revenge and execute, but with what rage? lol
rapid jewel
The only way they could achieve their goal is making IP somehow a passive. Would reduce APM a lot and we would be ok with lower rage generation.
But that should be an option and not mandatory.
jagged gust
The last sentence bothers me
"allow for revenge and other abilities..."
bitch what other abilities?
jagged gust
Like really, if they want us spending rage on something other than IP, give us something worth spending rage on
jagged pier
problem is mobs in m+ are so punishing we have to press IP the higher u go
so even if there was another choice u get pigeon holed into pressing it
and if u tune it so we dont need to press it, then u just done press it
rapid jewel
What do you mean with higher u go? that is different for every player.
jagged pier
yes
some ppl feel like they need bsv to do a +6 some are fine without it for a +14 so that changes player to player when the choice to just press IP will be
rapid jewel
yeah but their are a lot of players that want to relax and not min max. Sure they usually aren't on this discord, wowhead, forums etc.
rapid jewel
but would it hurt to give them a optional passive IP and remove the "burden" to press it every second gcd for a single talent point?
tardy abyss
Yes because our talent tree sucks
There are barely any options we can make
Because of how much we lose for a single point
rapid jewel
true, but we aren't getting a big overhaul with 11.1 🙂
tardy abyss
But still, reducing apm doesn't do anything for the average player
They haven't been using all their uptime and still wont
Nothing changes
rapid jewel
a average player could improved with a passive IP cant they?
tender cove
Nothing changes
But if they do the same and the apm is lowered, their output by default gets higher?
tardy abyss
But if they do the same and the apm is lowered, their output by default gets hig...
Not if the average button press receives a lot more value
You're now much more prone to getting fucked by not resetting
tardy abyss
Yup
tender cove
and that just ruins the class completly
How was the problem solved for other tanks? Guessing its the same end problem in a different format?
tardy abyss
All other tanks besides ppal face the same issue we will have soon
potent moth
Aren't all other tanks flooded with ressources as well, I mean BDK basically has infinite RP, Pala spams equal or more spells than Pwar does, Not sure about bear, VDH also has no issues with ressources. The only Tank I can think of which isn't really flooded with ressource is BrM, but that spec is basically locked into his really tight rotation
wicked pollen
bdk does not have infinite rp
potent moth
Well, not if you spam DS, but the current playstyle doesn't really incentives that. I didn't really had any issues with RP at all on my BDK
vocal cave
Yo I read the thing from blue tracker and cant make sense of it. Too much contradictionary stuff in there
frail fern
so have a spec from ARCHON and mythic spec says not to spec into ravager...advice please as thought this was a grerat abilitie
sweet egret
yes
frail fern
yes ? its great or yes its no longer needed for mythic +
sweet egret
yes
jagged pier
so have a spec from ARCHON and mythic spec says not to spec into ravager...advic...
its your choice if u want to run something else than rav for m+ u can
drowsy narwhal
so have a spec from ARCHON and mythic spec says not to spec into ravager...advic...
From what I have seen, it is because most take Battle-Scarred Veteran over it for a cheat-death option
in higher elo, from my understanding, it doesnt pay off to have that more dmg, since survivability is more needed
tardy abyss
yes ? its great or yes its no longer needed for mythic +
If you play properly you won't need it until at least +16
sweet egret
he won't need ravager? 😮
graceful kite
how much slower is prot after ptr changes?
i really dislike bluepost wording about them not liking prot being high apm
jagged pier
well the blue post doesnt make sense cause colossus was already much lower than thane
on ptr colossus not changed really thane lost a lot
graceful kite
I don't understand why are they making changes to something that works
jagged pier
accessibility is a valid reason
graceful kite
2 specs 1 is slow another is fast and they just homogenize it
thorny stone
anyone has this aura? need that dopamine
graceful kite
its not valid because there are almost 40 specs in the game
and they're butchering a fast spec because its fast
jagged pier
well go say that on the forums
on their feedback thread
nothing will come of it if u say it here
graceful kite
they dont care about feedback, their post is a reply to a post that states gameplay is bad and slow
jagged pier
that thread is mostly negative so getting more voices on it will help
dark barn
If now colossus is similar to thane in speed i think thats not that bad because i want to play colossus in M+ too
quiet crane
graceful kite
that thread is mostly negative so getting more voices on it will help
Their post implies that gameplay changes will stick and theyre only thinking about tuning ignore pain
Our feedback is valuable and heard but they're not discussing it and just state their thought process as a fact
I was excited to come back to a new season but it seems my favorite spec is butchered and i can keep playing tarkov
dark barn
I really think you guys are seeing the situation in full depressive mode. the class inst butchered, after the buffs, changes in tier set and etc is now a bit slower, not super hyper dupa slower
graceful kite
I really think you guys are seeing the situation in full depressive mode. the cl...
there
is already a slower version its called colossus
and i hate it its slow its boring you get no rage and just snooze in between buttons
okay blizzard forums are just unusable theyre permascrolling and not letting me post glhf i quit this spec
jagged pier
If now colossus is similar to thane in speed i think thats not that bad because ...
u already can
dark barn
i now i can do it, i did sometimes in mythic raiding, but with the upcoming buffs in ss rage, ignore pain generation and etc will feel better than now
native ember
im just wondering who tf was complaining about warrior apm being to high ?
frozen berry
im just wondering who tf was complaining about warrior apm being to high ?
Probably the mount collector/transmog friends of the blizz employees
fringe shell
I think they are trying to get more people to tank. Especially the classic wow folk who are typically older and can't handle high APM.
jagged pier
the problem is the changes have made it more punishing if u play incorrectly
as u have less rage your now in trouble if u over spend
or at trouble if u can use the tools we have to generate the rage u can now get
round pendant
I genuinely don't understand "I want to play fast prot warrior"
how does 15APM of ignore pain feel fun?
It's not like you're attacking fast
sweet summit
more cooldowns
round pendant
the IP basically has zero impact other than it's a button to press (that you don't feel)
it's just a chore
sweet summit
more APM is fun to me
dark barn
i agree with yam, most of my "Fast Gameplay" was spamming the middle buttom of the mouse to cast IP, is just a mechanical repetitive action without thinking process
round pendant
more apm for the sake of more apm isn't fun
go play outlaw if you want high apm which actually feels like you're doing things fast af boi
sweet summit
yeah i'll go tank with outlaw brb
dark barn
protection warrior was one of the easiest tanks even with high apm, cause the high apm is most about spam
round pendant
My issue with the changes is just less shield slam procs
rapid jewel
I would be fine with a Talent like:
Your IP has a x second CD.
Your Used IP is x% stronger
Every X rage spend you autocast a regular IP
Issue is. Without IP, SB and Revenge are our only spenders
strong forum
That's the inherent problem
Our only spender being revenge
And execute is trap now with the low reset chance
It's not that a lot of IP is bad
It's that a lot of revenge feels worse
And it's practically still the same apm BTW
Except you have less of a "hectic" reset gameplay and instead just " 
spam revenge 
"
strong forum
Yes
urban bane
people can upload them but idk about browsing rhem with tools or w/e
round pendant
Thank you
strong forum
toxic pewter
if they gonna make us slower shouldnt our abilities hit much harder is that happening
strong forum
For yiga aoe
round pendant
So S2 colo is the play?
strong forum
if they gonna make us slower shouldnt our abilities hit much harder is that happ...
That has happened
toxic pewter
ok i see
round pendant
They need to do something about IP cpm
otherwise they're not even addressing the normies complaints
urban bane
no
toxic pewter
revenges must be hitting hard at 10 stacks colossus might and crap lol
strong forum
They need to do something about afking
round pendant
and just making the spec less fun
toxic pewter
do you think we can get more haste to make less downtime
strong forum
Haste won't fix the issue
Fucking with strategist will has consequences for years to come
Until we get our first rework
Since DF beta
toxic pewter
yah cuz shield slam used to fill those dead globals
strong forum
SS is literally our spec identity
round pendant
idk how to fix it, I don't like IP spam but idk how to fix it without ruining the spec
sharp gale
lmao still 12cpm on IP
Maybe I’m confused about dungeon uptime or smth im at 20 usually (mist)
strong forum
odd flint
Until we get our first rework
were getting reworked?
strong forum
No
toxic pewter
cant imagine how slow it will be without itf even XD
odd flint
oh...
strong forum
But we are the only spec in the game who is still running on DF beta talent tree
odd flint
i use to think "surely were next surely" and now were the last one left and honestly...with how they talk about warrior im not sure were gonna get one
toxic pewter
this is the rework XD
odd flint
yea didnt they explicity say they were reworking our class tree? i bet in there minds this is actually our rework
toxic pewter
they did rework the class tree
odd flint
10% more health and minor changes
strong forum
They touched the class tree, but it never had any real impact
Like that's not a rework
odd flint
yea to them thats enough
strong forum
They just moved 2-3 talents
odd flint
hey man they called it a rework looks like warriors good to go!
strong forum
I'm taking spec tree
odd flint
who knows i hope we do i just wouldnt be suprised if we never actually get a real one
they love the way it is somehow rn
cyan bronze
@strong forum do you know if this graph exists for higher tcount
sharp gale
<@192743144276623360> do you know if this graph exists for higher tcount
if it's like warcraftlog cast per min, it's a lie
or it's really, the real button press
sharp gale
okok because a day a pal told me they have x cast per min by sending a log, half are his auto, i never checked sim since it's a robot
cyan bronze
WCL cpm can be weird yes
toxic pewter
revenge critting for over a million kinda fun
round pendant
Maybe I’m confused about dungeon uptime or smth im at 20 usually (mist)
I mean it's less but it's still the most pressed ability
idk man
fuck IP it's a shit ability anyway
there I said it
sharp gale
personnally i really like current gameplay
shut summit
tbh from what ive done on ptr we aren't that far off, it's just periods of 2-6 secs of downtime every now and then that feels really bad, with low rage, no cooldowns, nothing to press
and in those types of situations it actually is just optimal to kite but that's so lame
ember token
No tank should ever be force to kite, ever.
shut summit
prolly try some colossus on ptr today to see how it feels
round pendant
tbh from what ive done on ptr we aren't that far off, it's just periods of 2-6 s...
press Slam
oh low rage
slam costs rage right?
mighty valley
yep
small steeple
idk how to fix it, I don't like IP spam but idk how to fix it without ruining th...
I tried out Colossus for the fist time in a key last night, and ngl, I pressed IP way less
Felt pretty good
round pendant
Yeah I still gotta try colossus tbh
mighty valley
Colossus is fun
round pendant
I only care about doing 10s so why not I suppose 🤷♂️
mighty valley
I’m worried the defensive gap between it and thane will get even bigger with the rage reduction
small steeple
Right, the new 2850 achievment right?
round pendant
Yeah
sharp gale
slam costs rage right?
you can't even heroic throw
mighty valley
shockwave and walk away so you can do a single heroic throw
that’s what the boys call “optimal”
strong forum
most optimal is just not sending IP
and send revenge twice instead
hoping for an SS reset
and to BrV to carry IP value
sharp gale
so there is a rage range where it's double revenge, and over it's IP
strong forum
depending on your CD situation yes
especially on ST
to keep your rotation going, you will end up not using IP in favour of spamming revenge
sharp gale
yeah ofc it's out of cd, i don't think (didn't play yet on ptr) during cd there is issue
mighty valley
10 rage? In this economy?
strong forum
(you will still end up running a full SS CD without geting a reset)
cuz thats apparently engaging and creates meaningful choices in your rotation
sharp gale
10 rage? In this economy?
scrap the barrel for that anger management
sharp gale
i checked it's same cost as revenge lol
strong forum
yeah
sharp gale
i thought it was no rage
sharp gale
can't even spin, it's 20 too
mighty valley
if sense is right about how it plays now and there’s one more round of changes to close up those downtime gaps, idk, I’ll live
mighty valley
i like how it plays now but maybe my old man wrist will thank me long term
strong forum
blizz goes "yeah okay so we (that 1 intern who made the mistake of playing thane) think you spam IP too much for the sake of avoiding rage capping, lets just nerf SS reset chance and buff IP, that should be good enough yeh?"
sharp gale
i like how it plays now but maybe my old man wrist will thank me long term
i have something if you want
strong forum
i have something if you want
inspiration from topple i see
sharp gale
i did a +10 for now with it, didn't try higher it melts my brain pressing 1 button
strong forum
i literally fucked up the fury rotation in SL
because the 12 WW 12 WW 12 WW
is just...
too braindead i couldnt wrap my head around it
sharp gale
i only did CoT with it, i figured it's the best dungeon to not die
strong forum
WW every 3 GCDs literally hurts
sharp gale
idk, i was fury for the first time this patch for the full raid prog, it's alright finger wise
mighty valley
1234ww is alright but gets old
pallid quiver
On the bright side, it's now every 5 GCDs in most cases for WW
On the downside
It's pretty smoothbrain to 1234WW
sharp gale
so many buttons
jagged pier
wait spell reflect shows up in logs now?
sharp gale
i don't see it on thursday raid
jagged pier
appeared in my log from today
violet ginkgo
it's nice improvement if yes
lofty warren
Pwar saved?
violet ginkgo
no
lofty warren
Ohh it's still bad? 😦
jagged pier
its perfectly fine
quiet monolith
how are the PTR vibes?
it reads kinda nice but i haven't found many streams or info
jagged pier
still down time which is unfun
strong forum
anyone has this aura? need that dopamine
jagged pier
but better than the first set of changes
jagged pier
it goes brrr
strong forum
id like to take credit for that
cyan bronze
lofty warren
It says that ignore pain is getting changed?
How much stronger would ignore pain have to be to make up for all the incoming nerfs?
jagged pier
its fine it already got a 30% buff at the start
cyan bronze
It says that ignore pain is getting changed?
it’s just getting cleaned up
according to nooooooommy
harsh trellis
Looks like we got a response. https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/prot-warrior-111-ptr-feedback/2041687/205
lofty warren
it’s just getting cleaned up
So it's not even getting stronger it's just changing how formula looks? Lame
sharp dew
it is getting buffed by 30% compared to live
30% increase per cast or 30% higher cap or both?
mighty valley
per cast
maiden forge
I'm just waiting for them to post AM changes since they mentioned AM. If they do any
small steeple
Wasn't pwar APM way higher during SL with the Banner? Especially during SL S4? So why are they making it an issue now, 3/4 years later?
sharp dew
but cast is 30% larger
How does it feel on ptr currently?
strong forum
so intern couldnt even get to where it was fast
small steeple
cuz back then the intern was too bad to play banner
Ah fair enough, Banner and with original Violent Outburst actually took braincells
strong forum
and reprisal
strong forum
How does it feel on ptr currently?
colossus feels samesy
thane feels significantly worse
cuz thane actually uses revenge now even on ST
sharp dew
I’d imagine with that 12sec shield charge 4p that’s gotta be coming up pretty often
strong forum
havent tested that part yet
just got home since the changes
and gotta do weeklies first
small steeple
and reprisal
I actually forgot that was a thing. Lol leaping/running/intervening out of range then charging back in etc just to maintain SB uptime was so weird
strong forum
.
dry maple
Here a thought, they want us to dump rage on revenge... figured to be the counter to ignore pain. Why not make revenge be an OGCD?
just curious.
strong forum
cuz dmg buttons arent off gcd
vocal cave
unless youre paladin
dry maple
or a fire mage with fire blast
maiden forge
Give us a talent that makes revenge do 50% more damage to our primary target like vdh has for soul cleave
Or something
strong needle
So that update just says "we know ya'll like high-apm but we have some generic response about a theoretical player to justify our crappy design decision"? Am I reading that right?
maiden forge
Ye
maiden forge
Or do it, and just press ignore pain
strong needle
If I had arthritis I'd go play fire-mage on classic
mighty valley
we don’t actually know what most players think of prot warrior play because only freaks and sickos post on forums or join discords
round pendant
also isn't ppal gonna still be #1 highest apm in the game
maiden forge
Yes, it is
round pendant
meh, I'm all for CPM reduction when most of the extra casts are just slop anyway
strong needle
we don’t actually know what most players think of prot warrior play because only...
yeam in sure they'll be fine with a high apm build that they play at low apm in their +4
round pendant
but feels weird to fuck over pwar's feel and use APM as an excuse when ppal is just as bad
maiden forge
Also, I have never met a prot warrior who doesn't like slamming repeatedly
It feels good
dry maple
I always thought prot war fantasy was... be the wall the swings back.
mighty valley
it’s a little dissonant that thane gets to keep its triple shield slam talent in all of this
toxic pewter
I am actually a bit bored with the spammy playstyle a good bit, but I am also saddened they did not really replace it with anything interesting or cool
just feels quite half-assed
maiden forge
It's just slower
harsh trellis
Are the prot warrior changes already on the PTR?
jagged pier
should be
harsh trellis
I guess I'm going to download it because I feel like we just got a "deal with it" post from the devs
violet ginkgo
it is "deal with it"
I wonder why they always "We (devs) feel xxxxxx" why they never ask what players feel?
potent moth
I mean they're explaining their take on what prot should be. I guess the issue with players is that you have broad spectrum on that note
harsh trellis
I'm just callin it now, they make the changes, they make IP really good, then revert it with "Oh we didn't really want IP to be this good" and gut it back to the way it was in legion
kind urchin
It's not the lower apm that bothers me. It's the fact that it feels clunky and not smooth to play anymore.
cerulean tusk
^This
The gameplay works tho, just pool rage, and you wont have dead GCDs when your luck is dry
You can play around it, it just doesnt feel as good
balmy canyon
If we all think that the warrior dev has stuck their head up their ass with these changes then we need to go and respond to the forum post EN MASS. I think it's beyond clear the dev doesn't bother to look at anything else. Not this discord, not reddit, not wowheads analysis articles.
cerulean tusk
I am quite sure they have heard our opinons already. They doubled down with their statement, hinting that the change isnt aimed at "us" either way.
So at this point, the path is set. Just do your best to have this new world order work.
graceful glacier
is there a weak aura that announces the spell reflect dmg ?
cerulean tusk
There is, but dont be that guy that does the "Spell reflected: xxx dam!" in /say
grave flower
No no, do it
cerulean tusk
It is so obnoxious
graceful glacier
hahaha
grave flower
Also add in the “Midge kicked X spell!” In /s
cerulean tusk
... urrrrrgh
Worst part about that, it happens so rarely, you know they never interupt normally
grave flower
And to top it off, give em the “this isn’t even my final form” yell when you hit reck.
cerulean tusk
That is in /y and goes off mutliple times as the guy is spamming it
graceful glacier
what is the weakaura callled just asking for a friend
chilly brook
I mean they're explaining their take on what prot should be. I guess the issue w...
Yeah that’s cool but this is how warrior has existed for….6 years now?
grave flower
I know that friend is you now, so I don’t really want to give it to a liar
cerulean tusk
I will mute you
grave flower
https://wago.io/gDJ5XzNk1
You’re suppose to be the white blood cell and stop the cancer.
graceful glacier
hahaha love it
grave flower
cerulean tusk
wicked pollen
There is, but dont be that guy that does the "Spell reflected: xxx dam!" in /say
i am tgst guy
chilly brook
I just get the distinct feeling the person making these changes has/did not play prot before this expansion
chilly brook
lol
cyan bronze
the 1 line brew change was nice qol
kinda irrelevant
but at least their 1 line this expac was positive
cyan bronze
3% celestial brew buff ya
chilly brook
It’s not a lot but it’s something
chilly brook
I wish prot was brew rn tbh
I’d rather be getting putty notes instead of whatever they’re doing to us
cyan bronze
idk tbh
prot feels like it does need changes imo
it’s high apm but it’s just so boring(thane, colossus is fun)
chilly brook
Colo is fun because it does dam
cyan bronze
I like the playstyle more
not even the dmg rly
(I play with details off 90% of the time)
only time I have details on is if I play my cursed key build
chilly brook
I like the playstyle more
I mean the playstyle is mostly the same
You just press revenge more because big dam
Crazy how that works
cyan bronze
i like hitting revenge
chilly brook
It’s like they can make stuff like revenge! Have higher prio if they make changes targeted at it
chilly brook
Instead of kneecapping the rest of the kit
cyan bronze
and demolish is nice to hit
burst pattern of colossus just is more appealing to play, even if they were the same dmg
like in raid they’re similar & I just always prefer colossus
also
maybe the best text I’ve ever read in wow
chilly brook
There’s just better ways to do this
chilly brook
And if this is the direction they really want they haven’t done nearly enough to compensate
cyan bronze
but im not of the opinion that prot was perfect as was
i mean maybe just make ip scale with rage pool?
feel like that’s an ok solution
ie: 1 ip cast 35 rage or increasing % of rage(ideally, such that it’ll leave enough for a revenge after), whatever is more
chilly brook
i mean maybe just make ip scale with rage pool?
We had that in legion and tbh I don’t want that back
cyan bronze
like ideally it would be current rage-20
chilly brook
It was just if you had 70 rage you’d spend 70 rage
cyan bronze
so if you had 70 you would spend 50
so you can send at least 1 revenge
but i still c the issue w it
chilly brook
I mean we’ve had most of our variable rage spending abilities moved to fixed rage cost for a reason imo
Execute used to be similar
cyan bronze
Yeah
You’re right probably
tbf
if they just made prot warrior scale insanely well with the other 3 stats it would mildly reduce apm from (supposedly) running less haste?
that’s a blizzard type solution
mighty valley
Yeah that’s cool but this is how warrior has existed for….6 years now?
they stopped removing borrowed power at the end of an expansion, put all that power and more into a permanent talent tree, then added another talent tree on top of that this expansion
whoops! rage income increased
vestal moat
What more aura buff would we need to damage or IP to make the mechanical changes net even compared to 11.0?
harsh trellis
Where are the original notes on prot warrior changes coming
cerulean tusk
old juniper
Is anyone else on PTR seeing hilariously low proc rates on the 2pc for prot? Like one proc in 90s of combat and two in 5:30?
urban portal
What more aura buff would we need to damage or IP to make the mechanical changes...
That’s not easy to compute
Especially for survival
pallid quiver
A bajillion percenta
cerulean tusk
ofc you would use that
shy python
onyx hearth
Sorry if this sounds obvious, but ignore pain buff is just for prot warriors?
cerulean tusk
As far as I am aware, but maybe it buffed arms as well. Arms/Prot got quite a bit of ability overlap without unique IDs
urban portal
I can’t imagine arms and prot have the same ignore pain though
For damage spells it makes sense
But idk for ignore pain
urban portal
Yep
tardy abyss
A 30% buff to it would be pretty sick tho
onyx vessel
Band-Aid fix for the rage gen destroyed issue
jagged pier
U not pressing 
enough
cyan bronze
REVANCHE
crimson furnace
chilly brook
@cyan bronze honestly if they JUST increased the rage pool you would allow more active use of revenge for rage dumping
cyan bronze
real
chilly brook
and it would help people who feel like the class too fast
mighty valley
Bake the max rage talent points into something else
strong forum
yeah too much TC and not enough revenge there
harsh trellis
jesus this feels so effing bad
Like just playing on the ptr , shit feels slow as fuck
It feels like we are playing with training wheels again
Shield Slam, thunder clap, press IP, wait around..............
oh look random revenge proc
mighty valley
Shield Slam, thunder clap, press IP, wait around..............
try not pressing ip next time
harsh trellis
lol
small quail
I just want to know, which Karen told Blizz that high APM was a problem.
Fury never gets complained about, which tells me they beleive it's a viable choice for people who want to go that route, but for prot it's suddenly a problem?
harsh trellis
I just want to know, which Karen told Blizz that high APM was a problem.
its the 719 io prot warrior alts with 6/8 lfr running the show
high aspen
I just want to know, which Karen told Blizz that high APM was a problem.
Lowkey the only reason i ever play prot is because its high apm
frozen berry
I don’t see them changing enhance shaman because of it’s high apm lol
Or fury for that matter
lime mantle
Or prot paladin
cerulean tusk
Just you wait, till they actually do something that will affect CPM
They increase GCD from 1.5 to 2.5
cyan bronze
ok ff
wild chasm
Funnily enough I saw some comments under a wowhead post where people were saying „I’m old hurr durr can’t keep up with high apm hurr durr but I love my Proti warrior and want to play it”
I remember it being high apm for a few expansions so if they came to love it then, they either stick with it or look for a better game for old people, idk
opal forum
also, druid tank exist
jagged gust
That's basically colossus in a nutshell
sweet summit
Or fury for that matter
they already did this a few years back. but that was relatively reasonable with just -10% haste from enrage 👴 give it back...
silver quiver
surely we just get a lot of haste and it will feel good to play right guys
round pendant
no
old storm
Hello gamers, I noticed theresa wa for spell reflect anyone know if there's one for spell block?
eternal kelp
We just swap to AGI daggers. Ez
vale escarp
why do you need a wa for spellblock?
wicked pollen
inland garnet
Funnily enough I saw some comments under a wowhead post where people were saying...
Sometimes I read wowhead post comments out of boredom while waiting in queues. This shit is mindblowing, complaining about sub-12 M+ difficulty and/or affixes that are a joke even for an average Joe like me.
Also every 3d post is about to buff hunters.
inland garnet
https://wago.io/gDJ5XzNk1/
https://wago.io/pjl-p3su9/
Gio, do you know if there is a WA when targeted with some spells in pvp too?
wicked pollen
nope
in pvp
if my hp bar is moving fast i press something
else idk
i maybe be 2200
but i have 0 clue what im doing
inland garnet
Ok, I do the same 🙂 spell target dummy
orchid mural
Funnily enough I saw some comments under a wowhead post where people were saying...
fuck them old ppl. im 40 and love the high apm!
tribal wharf
tbh, the biggest unhinging from wow for me came when someone this discord said i have a manifesto
instantly stopped wanting to play
i dont stick around when thats the sort of thing being said
i know what they meant,
round pendant
Why does that in particular bother you
Weird thing to still be going on about, what, a year later?
waxen frigate
Why does that in particular bother you
just take it to dms bro
hard wolf
Any hope for prot war in season 2 m+?
waxen frigate
no need to make it even more of a spectacle
round pendant
Any hope for prot war in season 2 m+?
Yeah it's probably going to be fine
just less fun than it is currently
dark barn
I dont really think warrior will be unplayable. IMO will be better than dragonflight. I played two years of DF with warrior being F rank.
simple oasis
Are there any major rotational change with recent ptr changes ?
dark barn
You only have more time to think about the IP use and to actually consume revenge proc.
The same class... almost
REVANCHE
simple oasis
Seems great, now just gotta pray for favorable tuninng
harsh trellis
You only have more time to think about the IP use and to actually consume reveng...
That's currently not a problem.
You can also watch entire YouTube videos between procs