protection

[strong forum]

if that works

its almost a dmg gain to play

[cyan bronze]

Does it work with thane avatar proc

[tardy abyss]

It does

iirc

[strong forum]

nah

but ill triple check

in a sec

[cyan bronze]

it didn’t before

Would have to be new

[tardy abyss]

Yeah nvm I was confusing something

With the last incident where someone claimed the 2p works with that talent

But it was proccing 2p and thane avatar with the same global

By coincidence

[cyan bronze]

Kekw

[dark barn]

dont work

[unborn island]

Sidearm Vs one of the spear talents? Thoughts?

[remote anchor]

isnt sidearm one level below capstones ?

[jagged pier]

it is

the answer is to drop et

[remote anchor]

probably yea

[strong forum]

they arent on the same gate

tierset dos not proc avatar

[unborn island]

I was using Endurance training, if I drop it I can get sidearm and all thencapstones

Winning

[jagged pier]

10% stam doesnt do anything

[unborn island]

Even if (gestures at previous posts about being bad going into more dangerous keys and wanting BSV to stop me noobing, I assumed a million extra hp would help?)

Also wondering about best served cold Vs show of force? Typically I'm doing way more damage with thunderclap/blast so wouldn't an extra amp on that be more helpful that an amp on procc'd revenge?

[jagged pier]

thats not the same gate again

[strong forum]

best served cold is gate 1
SoF is gate 2

they dont compete for the same talents, thunderlords is more damage for thane

best served cold is more damage than fight through the flames

[jagged pier]

in terms of extra hp you live or die basically based on mitigating the damage correctly u play correctly u live u dont your most likly going to do

extra hp really doesnt do much to ever save

u the simplest form i can put it

if it makes u feel safer like bsv so u play better that cant be under stated

but your dropping survivbility and dps in other forms just to pick that stuff up

its why just coping the top ppl doesnt always work as usually we get told 'its the best defesnive/tankiest build' but the take ITF

which is just less tanky than HR

by miles

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/55UxxoV.jpeg

[strange lintel]

i pick intervene and dont pick the hp node cuz my friend loves to attack the furthes thing away in a pack and die. so now i just intervene him and watch him freak out at his agro and not dying afterwards

[strong forum]

anything in each gate, does not compete with other gates

you cant swap a point from gate 2 into gate 1 or from 3 into 2, if you do that youre wasting points

[cerulean tusk]

Spear is overrated, take menance instead

[jagged pier]

dont do that

[cerulean tusk]

[unborn island]

Thanks for that btw

Haven't played much since they brought back proper talents so I think I'm lacking some of the fundamentals

[strong forum]

figured thats what was going on

[unborn island]

I think it was the bloodsurge point I was playing with - I hadn't taken it so it could have gone into best served cold/the other revenge talent

But dropping ravager I think the extra rage is probably really nice.

[strong forum]

not worth to drop bloodsurge for bsc

[jagged pier]

rage good

even tho next patch

u play instegate

all the time

[cerulean tusk]

Hopefully on PTR they do a minor passive rage bump tho, so I get to feel I dont have to pool rage

[strong forum]

i think the next focus is making tierset work

[unborn island]

Yeah I had just...never taken bsc for some reason? I just yeeted a spec I thought sounded good from when I played aeons ago

[strong forum]

cuz rn its a nothing burger

[cerulean tusk]

Tierset still bugged, no?

Didnt even bother to check

[jagged pier]

100% crit would be nice

[unborn island]

So just now sorting it because it matters 🙂

I want them to give us back the Antorus 4 piece

[strong forum]

yeah nah

cz we dont have battle cry anymore

[unborn island]

Slams with no CD and guaranteed crig please

[strong forum]

and avatar lasts a bit too long

[unborn island]

Yeah, give us that back too 😛

Fair though

[cerulean tusk]

Avatar should be turned into a passive

[unborn island]

Looks like I'll copy that and maybe switch around BSV/ravager as I get more confident on the higher stuff

[cerulean tusk]

BSV is just a nice safety blanket, I would always recommend it

[jagged pier]

[cerulean tusk]

Rav got its advantages in output, but it isnt passive and could be forgotten. BSV always there, keeping you cozy

I like BSV, shoot me

[jagged pier]

[cerulean tusk]

[round pendant]

BSV is always there.. doing nothing

at least rav does something

[cerulean tusk]

it keeps me safe

[cyan bronze]

Inshallah they will make immovable object work with everything this ptr

[cyan bronze]

I also like bsv

Has a cool name

Ravager has a cooler name

[hearty narwhal]

should I macro skarmorak with avatar? or with something else?

[karmic plinth]

rav or spear are same cd

[young gyro]

Do wish BSV was up a little higher in the tree. I love my Rav and would hate to give it up for BSV.

[strong forum]

spec tree just needs a rework

0 flex points

[tardy abyss]

Make it baseline because after these changes we are truly battle-scarred veterans

[strong forum]

changing 1 point? yeah potentially 6%+ damage lost

[young gyro]

Ya the flex really isnt there.

[strong forum]

no other tank loses this much from just 1 point

and its not just "3rd gate point"

its any point

except 1st gate

which well, you need 8/10 points. sooo

our 3rd gate is entirely too stacked to have to give up ravager for BSV

[pallid quiver]

Solution, make every talent baseline

[strong forum]

solution, dont make 80% of pwars power be in the 3rd gate

[pallid quiver]

But that's reasonable

[strong forum]

Outburst? Used to be class enabling
Indom? Our self healing
Booming voice? Turns Demo shout from a shit defensive into a really good button that does everything
Shield charge + Champions bulwark? decent dmg + rage + sb uptime (borderline madnatory to meet block uptime)
Ravager? 5% dmg across the board, important for aoe threat on big pulls

[pallid quiver]

I feel like they mostly should break up the central bottom section with Indon/Voice/Outburst and spread those around earlier

[strong forum]

yes

also shield specialisation

2 points that are beyond mandatory cuz theyre also THE ONLY WAY TO ACCESS THE MIDDLE PART

open up ways to bypass shield spec and suddenly we have more options (mostly for damage gains/raid)

cuz you wouldnt technically need shield spec for raid

cuz anything thats blockable, yeah pwar just laughs at

[urban portal]

1 point shield spec is the simplest answer

[strong forum]

thats cheap

we already are the spec which has the least amount of 2+ point nodes

with only 2 2 pointers on spec tree

everything else being 1

[karmic plinth]

shield spec is a real boring talent that i wonder if it could not just be gone

[dusky canopy]

Where’s the talent that lets you put a second shield in main hand?

[strong forum]

SoD

[tardy abyss]

wait what

lmao

[obsidian girder]

Shields of Dominance ?

[dusky canopy]

Look at this man

Tell me that isn’t the most badass thing

Blizz plz

Peak alpha energy right there

That’s the main tank

[cerulean tusk]

Honestly, I just want a polearm, so I can do humanity's ultimate pre-gun move of:
Pointystick and shield

Pointystick is OP, we all know this, buff Pwarr! Give us the stick of pointy power!

[dusky canopy]

They could give you a Polearm but you’d have to turn it side ways and still punch with your fist since they refuse to give warriors any reach

[cerulean tusk]

We get pointystick... pointystick at home, the pencil

[cyan bronze]

“Removed Tankbusters”

[cinder marsh]

ok, weekly guidence, i got a myth helm, myth refracting agression trink, and the skarmorak trink but its hero, what should i pick

note i do not have a myth helm yet

[remote anchor]

helm

[cinder marsh]

ok ty

[round pendant]

ugh

the new ring sucks

[pallid quiver]

u suck 😠

not really i love you

[round pendant]

I lose my haste and crit from my other ring so sad

[long kayak]

you get other stuff like mastery and more haste, sometimes it does fun stuff aswell.

not that often tho, we dont want the peons running around having too much fun

[unborn island]

How do you guys do Comms for 2nd boss in SoB - every pug I get just spams circles all over the boss....so I have to either die or get rage for letting others die

Or do you just use more CDs than me and stand in the circle and tank the cannon fire?

[long kayak]

coms?

just dont stand in shit and move around

[unborn island]

The cannon barrage attack - my understanding is that if I leave melee range during it (because the DPS have put circles all over the boss) then she does gutshot and typically 1shots someone.

Have had it happen before

I ask people to stack but then people see circles and run like the wind.

Well, melee to stack

So there's often no safe space in melee range

Presume I'm just doing something wrong?

[long kayak]

just back out of it and resume after the barrage is done

[unborn island]

Does gutshot get switched off during it? Because I'm reasonably sure I've had someone one shot because I went too far during that mechanic, maybe I'm just an idiot and it was something else.

[long kayak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An6pQtX36_k

[unborn island]

Back in BFA I used to just run out

I swear it happened once before...or perhaps I've been trolling myself the whole time 🙂

[long kayak]

just watch the second part, only times someone dies is when they stand in avoidable stuff

in higher keys you can get a one tap if you dont use personal defensives when she ricochets(?) otherwise its tank and spank

[unborn island]

Yeah, I just like...am sure I've had someone get gutshot during the cannon circles before because I was out of melee- I'm sure I'm just wrong and have been trolling myself.

Guess this is what happens if you take people flaming you seriously 🙂

Thanksndude

[long kayak]

sometimes people die, if they die before you died one of the following happened.

1. you didnt get aggro on all mobs
2. they didnt use personal walls or was standing in shit

[tardy abyss]

No thats how it works

But either way you wanna stay close for maximum uptime

Cuz that boss is annoying as hell for everyone

[unborn island]

So back to my previous question...what's the best way to ensure with pug melee that I can get enough room to have uptime? Just ask them to stack with me?

If straight up avoiding it can lead to people getting 1shot

Like...what do you even say to them 'know how to do the mechanics please'?

[tardy abyss]

Tell them to stack on blue (or whatever marker you use) and hope they do that

The melee range is fairly lenient so if you cant stay in melee try to stand at the edge of a circle and hope it still counts

Not much you can do if you play with apes

[unborn island]

Yeah that's pug lyf though eh

[strong forum]

tclap/charge before anyone can touch her

its based on having any CC on her

she doesnt do gut shot if shes slowed

[dusky canopy]

So that’s why I randomly get smoked once and a while

Tank dif

[tribal wharf]

gut shot hurts yes

not insta getting and using the cannon hurts (your party) more

well, anyone, can do that with cannon but

best if not healer lowest dps uses it

unless druid or movement healer

[stoic pilot]

Maybe a bit late of a reply but the way I do this boss is right before it starts go behind boss with the group, drop 2 circles, move infront of boss, drop 2 circles, move behind. You can drop 2 in place before they blow up, makes it super easy & trivial even if people are running away

[storm stone]

Can we spell reflect the patty cake in mists?

[wicked pollen]

no sir

[stoic pilot]

It’s been a while since I’ve kept up with warrior stuff, is Colossus still more overall damage in keys or has thane been buffed enough to do more

I see a lot of people doing Thane for raid too

[wicked pollen]

yes

but playing colo the higher you go

[stoic pilot]

Yeah I’m just gonna use it for like 13s at most prob but was curious since I wanted to slam a bit more haha

[wicked pollen]

its fun

[oak ivy]

I thought she does gut shot if no one in melee

[wicked pollen]

i felt i had to preplan defensives though

[oak ivy]

Not slowed = leap around
No melee = Gut shot
was my understanding anyway

[stoic pilot]

Yeah that’s what it is

[stoic pilot]

Just gonna scream for healing

[wicked pollen]

yeah

or not get assassinated by mw monk by diffuse magicing anima detonation into the whole group then blaming me for falling whne i used all my defensives on the guardian

hahaha

🙂

[stoic pilot]

It’s okay, we all make mistakes sometimes

I fat fingered drums in a 17 mists before we did first pull last night

And then charged into a pull in maze and got blown up because i charged wrong target and got backshots

[wicked pollen]

it was fine but the monk took no accountability and blamed it on me

[stoic pilot]

oh yeah that’s lame

[wicked pollen]

and i couldnt do the pull again because no wall from the initial

[stoic pilot]

I feel that, i’ve been on monk for group comp stuff and raid but im finally able to get back on warrior and its been interesting being able to save cds for the slashes instead of having to send on the auto attacks of every pack

Double guardians are actually brutal in mists it’s kinda ridiculous

[wicked pollen]

yeah its nice but as colo i try to send wall immediately so i can leech after with revenge

[pallid quiver]

Honestly, I'm kind of curious how far you could push Colo in high keys. I'm pretty sure None said he did a 14 that still felt comfy, so I wonder where the breakpoint is .

Of course, no real reason to risk it for serious pushing; better to not die and safely pull bigger for the damage up, anyway

[wicked pollen]

the stopping point i imagine is 16s

you just need to use a lot more of the timer i feel

you lose a lot of downtime to 0 avengers shield

maybe in mists its playable

[stoic pilot]

If you play with a good MW can probably play Colo pretty high but yeah you’ll prob start getting wrecked

Since I don’t think it’s that squishy on bosses just not as tanky as thane on trash

[pallid quiver]

It's strange, since Colo is more stable the bigger you pull, but the bigger you pull, the more casts

[stoic pilot]

And mw just has infinite output in trash pulls

[pallid quiver]

Due to leech+bruvit scaling on the revnge machine

[wicked pollen]

i think ive only met 1 good mistweaver while playing

and that guy is playing disc in keys

or resto druid

[stoic pilot]

I’ve met a couple but outside of playing with my group i usually just help with 10s-13s so it doesn’t really matter lol

[wicked pollen]

holy

how much off

[strong forum]

ah mb then

[tardy abyss]

100 mil

Had a 1% and this 0% pull back to back

...

[wicked pollen]

so 3 seconds more and it dies

lol

[tardy abyss]

yep

[wicked pollen]

surely you kill

right

[lofty warren]

Has cinder beer and the candle dungeons been mega nerfed yet or will they be way harder for months until blizz finally fixes them?

[wicked pollen]

[tardy abyss]

Nope

Last pull was now

So Thursday it is

Oh boy

One more pull

🙏

I hate this boss

[tribal wharf]

i hate that entire dungeoun

there is no fun part at all of it

even in BFA, still easily tied for the hardest

[cyan bronze]

tbh

[tribal wharf]

all bosses are non traditional and able to easily kill you

[cyan bronze]

cleft was not that bad

the casters felt a bit overtuned

and 1st boss cart had too much hp

[tribal wharf]

i dislike atal dazar, i dont absolutely hate it

its not tol dagor though

TD is hell

a nightmare as pug

[cyan bronze]

also: darkflame cleft

you will just invis skip alot of the early trash im like

90% sure

the trash before 1st boss does hurt(casters and throwers),but the rest of the key is rather easy

[lofty warren]

It's the last boss and kart

[cyan bronze]

cart is quite literally fine

there are much worse parts of the season

cart is glorified rp

and idk last boss did not feel bad

at all

2nd boss was more of a pain

by a signficant margin

imo its actually one of the more fun dungeons in the pool

🤷‍♂️

[cerulean tusk]

I dunno, the cart gimmick seems like one that will become old real quick

[cyan bronze]

i mean

its boring

its also 0 friction

the mobs there do 0 dmg

if you can move out of swirlies and at least 1 person grabs candles

its not a thing that exists

[cerulean tusk]

I rather not have RP sections in my m+, timer makes me annoyed by waiting

Be it angels flying you around, the cart or Skovald monologing - all of that got no space in M+

[cyan bronze]

i mean

if they had to fix 1 thing

i would much rather they fix whatever the fuck is going on in beertown and fix the packs in rookery

than fix the cart rp

[cerulean tusk]

Meh, does it matter in the end? Warrior wont be brought either way

[cyan bronze]

real.

[tribal wharf]

ya, cart is set dmg you deal and how many dynamite throws are needed

its a facade, far as i can tell, he never catches and eats you

[cerulean tusk]

It is just meant for RP and allowing you to shave off its HP - it is a fun little encounter, that isnt fun in a timed format

[round cliff]

if it takes the same amount of time every time and the timer compensates for this

its not like ur losing time to it

[silent harness]

How is prot looking for 11.1 i'm finding some people saying it looks decent others saying it's better to reroll

[pallid quiver]

I'm losing time on my life.

[pallid quiver]

It'll still function

But it plays like ass

It'll also be weaker than it is now

If you care for relative power level

[mighty valley]

Have you tried the latest

[pallid quiver]

Did they buff it again from the SS buff timeframe?

That's the last time I touched and looked at

[mighty valley]

No, just wanting to hear a description of how it plays after the last changelist

[pallid quiver]

It's slightly better, but Instigate is the go-to at all times

To give an idea about how it roughly feels

[mighty valley]

If good play results in no dead globals, I’m living

[pallid quiver]

Oh, Colossus can at least function now

[mighty valley]

Otherwise I’m dying

[pallid quiver]

You can have full globals,

but IPs will suffer

[mighty valley]

It’s still gotta be correct to shoot for gcd lock, right

That’s my fear — thinking constantly about whether or not I should opt in to feeling helpless

Sounds like a miserable way to be

[cyan bronze]

i mean

what do you like

prot warrior

or tanking

or getting into keys

or getting io

or looking cool as fuck

1. play prot, 2. play meta tank or your favorite tank 3. play meta tank 4. play meta tank or your best 5. play vdh they have a sick as fuck tier set that is sick as fuck

[cyan bronze]

supposedly IO works on 2pc now

[oak ivy]

I feel like I recall seeing somebody mention we get to do leap tech in P3 M ansurek, what's the o/u on that cuz we're hoping to get there tonight and I have an essence assigned

Assuming we don't walk in and have 3 ansureks that is

[vital pollen]

I feel like VDH is always a sneeze away from being meta anyway.

Maybe I just have PTSD from DF s4

[cyan bronze]

think theyre one of the more prevalent generally

but

[pallid quiver]

The purple murder ring that people take portals for, you can leap over

So you can use that for....

i already forgot, the essences blow up or something when you take the portal, right?

I forgot what happens to them when you portal with an essence

[oak ivy]

P3 has been entered, albeit I was the only person alive

[hoary glen]

i think it looks like a good vault

[dense hill]

I have a 98 parse average for heroic tanking, and like 90 in mythic, I'm low brain and don't sim though, recrafting some things to swap around embellishments. Is crit/haste still good for raid tanking or should I go haste vers.

[wicked pollen]

crit haste is damage

but robot

[dense hill]

I have like, 1800 verse btw lmao

[wicked pollen]

and it will just be rotation that carries to 99s

i have like less

parsing is just doing rotation

and padding

97 mythic rash kill I have

only thing i know how to do is rotation on prot

no clue about tank mechanics

[dense hill]

pretty much same lmao

Haven't tanked warrior before like, 8 weeks ago when guild needed a new tank. Is fun

[wicked pollen]

nah

its cringe

i hate tanking

perma people complaining

[dense hill]

Fair, one more question in general, does the double embelishment work on the dawnthread lining? or do I need to recraft to two dawnthreads

[wicked pollen]

I think 2 dawnthreads

for 2x crit

[oak ivy]

Is there a way to tank the melee add on ansurek on top of the laser guy without getting boofed off the platform

[cyan bronze]

Tell them to shutup and kiss you

[jagged gust]

don't forget, hold me tight

[strong forum]

Turn the back of the mob to the edge instead of your own

So the mob knocks you the other way

[jagged pier]

@pallid quiver @hardy snow

[tardy abyss]

Imagine being so late on your 2nd myth track trinket

[pallid quiver]

See, my blessings are just a little slow

Grats, tho

[jagged pier]

No, on my second useful myth track trinket

I have like 4

[tardy abyss]

Same thing

[jagged pier]

My advice will be just give up from now on

U get what u want

[tardy abyss]

which are your two bad ones

[jagged pier]

the 2 from the first 4 bosses of the raid

[tardy abyss]

yikes

[jagged pier]

i guess i dont have sac ither

but cba

1 dungeon now i guess

[tardy abyss]

Wait whats your first myth trinket if youre not running sac

Double on-use?

[jagged pier]

im not running 1

[tardy abyss]

Or shard

[jagged pier]

cause im runing hero sac

[tardy abyss]

oh

[jagged pier]

i mean technically my best trinkets before this where sac/mandate or sac/priory heroic track trinket

but u cant sim that trinket

[tardy abyss]

I dont even know what priory trinket does

[jagged pier]

nither does bliz cause the tooltip only tells u half the trinket

[tardy abyss]

lmfao

[pallid quiver]

The old monster hunter classic

[jagged pier]

but it does like 46k dps

at 593

and thats also disregarding the perma 2k crit it gives

[tardy abyss]

Thats pretty good

[pallid quiver]

It's mega cracked, and I'm impressed I haven't seen it in patch notes yet

[jagged pier]

and 4k crit it gives on use

[tardy abyss]

Oh it will likely be nerfed a week or two after S2 is live

[jagged pier]

yes

[pallid quiver]

It's a bit more than pretty good, it is mega overtuned

[jagged pier]

its doing around the same raw as hc mandate

i only use mandate cause it helps kill shield add on platform 2

[tardy abyss]

Mandate sucks

I hate that trinket

[jagged pier]

i dont mind it

mine as leech too

so thats nice

[waxen frigate]

Euphoria when it crits, suicidal thoughts when it doesn’t

[jagged pier]

[waxen frigate]

Same shit with beacon in Aberrus

I once went 3 consecutive magmorax reclears without a beacon crit

Despite having over 40% crit

[tardy abyss]

^^^^^^

[blissful pecan]

Priory trinket can definitely high roll a bit, 593 btw

[austere pilot]

Hi all, new to prot warrior, looking at going into season 2 with it. Noob question, do we macro IP to SS or is that going to end up in bad game play

[jagged pier]

dont do that

[remote anchor]

You will never have any rage

[jagged pier]

if u ment macrioing SS too IP like the wowhead guide mentions u can do that but u still need a seperate SS binding

[remote anchor]

i think that line broke a few peoples brains

saw a few guys in here already with it the wrong way around

[hardy snow]

GZ!!!

[outer solstice]

do you guys like swarmlords?

especially if you have transmitter and ara-kara eggs?

[jagged pier]

nope

its not really gunna do anything

it just looks good on the meters

[outer solstice]

that sounds like a good reason xD haha

but I guess transmitter slaps more anyways

[jagged pier]

it gives u less than a full IP

every 1:30 mins

its really not very good

[outer solstice]

isn't it passive?

or is the ICD of the passive 90 seconds?

[hardy snow]

it is both passive and active

but passive isn't strong either

[outer solstice]

so it's final socket time for engi helmet 😛 hehe

[jagged pier]

i dunno maybe im thinking of another trinket but a 400k shield sounds pretty terrible to me tbh

but if u want to run it

[outer solstice]

probably not anyway xD haha

3 ppm, lol

I was expecting more xD if they say "high chance"

[jagged pier]

that is high ppm

so its 1.2mil every min so still less than a full ip every 1:30 mins

far less

[outer solstice]

so it's like 1.2 M shield per minute 20k HPS xD lul

[jagged pier]

well no its like a 200k shield but as its 50% dr it stops 400k damage

it works just like ip

[outer solstice]

weirdly it's run a lot in M+ it seems

is there some bullshit going on with multi target?

for raid it is obviously useless, we live everything anyway if we play properly

[jagged pier]

nope

its because the top ppl run it because it looks good on the meters

and ppl copy

[outer solstice]

yeah probably that, ppl like looking good on meters

[jagged pier]

im talking about healing meters u wont even notice it on dps meteres

[main plinth]

Is there a possibility for us protwarris to cheese wrest on anzurek intermission and p2 mythic ? Except leaping away. I mean something like deaths advance

[jagged pier]

nope

[stoic pilot]

Can use demolish to avoid a grip on one if you time it correctly as Colossus if you’re playing that. But I don’t think many people play Colossus on her anymore

[oak ivy]

I just have an intervene macro @casteronmyplatform

[lofty warren]

how is pwar looking for next patch? still bad like initial analysis?

[north atlas]

Not too good, i tyed ptr yesterday was losing threat and getting smashed in a brewery 9

I wanst playin on point since im not used to no platter and default ui but it was ruff

S2 gunna be rough for me, idk old dungens and tww dungs i did in week 1 w.e heroic amd dont remeber em to well

[tribal wharf]

not good as in clown or sad

[north atlas]

More clown than sad

[tribal wharf]

i hope its not actual bad that would suck

[lofty warren]

which tank looks best for next patch? is it ppal?

[north atlas]

Think so

Or vdh

Im still gunna warr

[rain light]

Pally

[round pendant]

They'll drop a nerf on pally too

[ionic fern]

Nice one.

[hearty narwhal]

is sikran trinket any good for prot?

[jagged pier]

not really

[north atlas]

I use sac and mark of khadros

[fringe folio]

Hello. Is there somewhere an overview of the changes to prot in 11.1 and what it means gameplay wise ?

[jagged pier]

[dark barn]

you will feel sadness in your soul while playing

[fringe folio]

Haha , well that’s clear :p

[clever heart]

I said I enjoyed playing prot a few times in worldofpvp Reddit, they banned me 🥲

[tribal wharf]

alls fair in war

we need the war part of warcraft back

[sweet summit]

we're not at war with the dagger ?

[vocal cave]

game is easy, I would say

[cyan bronze]

no point in asking

tuning hasn’t been complete

could be bear after this weeks notes

👍

would be surprised if ppal

[tardy abyss]

Why surprised

[maiden forge]

If prot pally is anything but 1st, blizz gonna do another paladin rework at the .5 patch, one that isn't supposed to affect prot pally, but will break them some how

It's the rule

There will always be a pally rework on the horizon, clearly

While warriors get nerfs that are targeted at one spec, but hit all 3 for no reason

[cyan bronze]

usually outside of fated meta tank has swapped from season to season

not a hard rule but a vague trend

[cyan bronze]

also no

ppal isn’t disproportionally meta

[violet ginkgo]

I thought it was complete for pwar? I think devs are satisfied after giving last mini buff to make dps go back up slightly before they nerf it.

[cyan bronze]

no

maybe it is

but I don’t believe they’ve stated that it’s done

[plush tendon]

thats literally the last item I need on my DK to be full BiS

stuck with a weak heroic one

[dark barn]

Dont know about other classes but i bet they finished warrior. They never cared too much about us anyway

[maiden forge]

I would just be happy to have tactician go back to 30%

Not that it will

I'm an idiot, it's called strategist

Tactician is arms

[dark barn]

Imo almost impossible they revert this. Maybe in season 3

[maiden forge]

Maybe in .5 patch

I feel like the spamming ignore pain thing could have just been solved by making ignore pain a sliding scale like execute, maybe 30-60 rage being the scale or something

[violet ginkgo]

the whole thing actually can be solved with adding damage rage dump and off gcd (like the old heroic strike). That way you press IP only when needed and just dump the rage to do damage.

but nope they just go long way to huge nerf these, little buff those.

[maiden forge]

Yeah

[sharp gale]

Just use slam Blizzard pls it’s already there

[dusky canopy]

[sharp gale]

it's already on the hotbars of half prot players, just make it spend rage

[dark barn]

They can solve the entire problem of the ptr adding a choice node to devastator: "devastate is now buffed". A good thing to spam instead of dead gcds.

[dusky canopy]

They should have just left Prot alone

It was great

[limpid ruin]

Idk about that. It’s crazy stale but this was absolutely the wrong way to go

[tribal wharf]

..... maybe ... maybe he is a god....

asmongold 2.0

i seriously no idea how in the FUCK some of you guys got 500 600 + mounts, absolute madness, barely at 300 or 400 or somethin after 20 years

it blows my mind how someone has the stamina required for that type of thing

[sharp gale]

i agree but like in Inception, nothing is stronger than an idea, so you will not make them change theirs

the idea : they don't want prot war to be like the season 1 prot war

[tribal wharf]

i agree, if it aint broke dont touch it

[dusky canopy]

Prot war design owned in DF I feel like they’re just walking backwards now

[maiden forge]

Yeah

Whenever the idea is just to take stuff away, it's bad

I'll just make a deal with the devil, and get my strategist to proc just as much as before in exchange for my soul

[dark barn]

I see this like a giant waste of time. Guy can just play other games. I respect the choice anyway (but think its dumb)

[maiden forge]

I wish I could enjoy doing something that much

[ashen orbit]

Is there an add on for when to accurately cast spell block inside instances. Please and thank you

[dark barn]

I use a weak aura

[ashen orbit]

New to group and trying to maximize my defensive mitigation and improve. Are there any weak auras in this manner you may suggest.

[urban portal]

That’s not gonna help

It’s still gonna make warrior very high apm for a tank

Their goal is reducing the apm and rage nerf is easiest to do it

Definitely not the best way

[urban portal]

I like this much better

[maiden forge]

[round pendant]

Mage chewing me out cause I went left in a +10 ara kara

when the druid is fucking ninjapulling with starfire

and wiping us repeatedly

told me to uninstall

😔

[wicked pollen]

join a group with them again

and do it again

[round pendant]

he blocked me

It's funny tho cause left is THE pug route

since there's less kicks

[cerulean tusk]

Left also got bigger pulls with no DR, so a lot more fun

[north atlas]

I always go right, nvr trust pugs to use stops

[round pendant]

Right is more stops

unless you mean the beetles

[cyan bronze]

Yes that’s why he goes right

He knows they won’t

He wants failure

[round pendant]

Honestly?

Based

[pallid quiver]

They will learn, or they will drown like the pigs they are
- A True Believer of Survival of the Fittest

[north atlas]

I do

[frail ibex]

What tank is looking to be meta for m+ next season?

I'm hearing alot of dh and bear

[abstract iris]

I see a lot of people dooming, but is it really possible bear will out damage us next patch? I mean the buffs they received are pretty minimal, just some talent tree moving around

[north atlas]

Meta pally vdh( if not nerfed). Idk abt bear dmg. In my limited ptr runs so far. Pwar needs more dmg or threat tuning

[sweet summit]

Hey guys, so in TWW S2 my guild will take a more serious approach to raiding and start progressing Heroic, so I need to prepare. Could you guys basically write down the entire rotation, for every single situation, two months before the patch comes out? I am a very serious player, and most definitely a min/maxer, so I need to know! Do we use Execute when the guy gets below 20% or what? Is it worth it? I am also a hardcore transmogger, so please tell me which racial is the best for prot? Oh and by the way, warrior or paladin in TWW s2? xD or is it too soon to say

[north atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/smile-sarcasm-sarcastic-laugh-upsidedownface-gif-5305231

[river spade]

How it feels to play prot in PTR m+, it plays simmiliar to live version or there are some downsides of rage nerf? (In terms of flow of the spec)

[north atlas]

You notice a difference

I hope next week blizz walks back strategist chnage keep what they buffed and moves on

https://tenor.com/view/best-wishes-cross-your-fingers-crossing-fingers-crypto-fingers-crossed-gif-9555301355775999569

[ionic fern]

There's a lot of disappointment coming your way.

[ionic fern]

It plays a lot worse than now. It's not "weak", but the gameplay is bad and the class feels clunky. You got windows of decent Rage during cooldowns,but outside of them you are just clunky.

[river spade]

Eh, well was fun till it lasted.

Reason we received these "nerfs" is Just prot is apm heavy is that correct?

[strong forum]

Reason is "fuck this class in particular"

The changes basically don't affect apm

[jagged pier]

Not enough ppl went to the forums

Its over

[long anvil]

ifu hit 639 u get cheaper ugprades or alts?

or whats the achievment for

[north atlas]

There is a post. Too bad its half argument between 2 ppl

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[ionic fern]

Link.

[north atlas]

Prot Warrior 11.1 PTR Feedback - In Development / Undermine(d) PTR Discussion - World of Warcraft Forums https://search.app/F9rJwocWFMMCqymD9

[blazing condor]

Panda

[sweet summit]

thank you

[pallid quiver]

don't listen to him, he's just biased

naga is bis

[jagged pier]

[ionic fern]

Half the thread is about random m+ crap.

Solid

[north atlas]

Yup

Got derailed a bit

[jagged pier]

Thats what blizzard read

[north atlas]

There are some good posts there tho

[ionic fern]

Funniest thing is that people on that feedback forum are also against the changes majorily.

[vocal cave]

I wish I could write on NA forums...

[ionic fern]

And then Blizz goes "nah,people like it".

[ionic fern]

I made a lvl 10 mage for it on NA.

[vocal cave]

Guess will need to do so too

[north atlas]

Get on there

Spam

[vocal cave]

Just so I can write sasori to fk off from the thread

[north atlas]

Call blizz out

[north atlas]

Don't, itll make it worse

[jagged pier]

'You think do, but you dont'

[ionic fern]

More like "they think they do,but they don't.".

[jagged pier]

Well yes or bliz is gaslighting saying.
You think you hate the changes but you dont.

[cerulean tusk]

Blizzard doesnt care about balance or if ppl want it or not.

What they care about is if it is more fun.

If it is. It is replaced.

[cedar kite]

aintnoway forums having a good take on class design for once?

[cerulean tusk]

My forum takes always been ace, buff OF and remove TT

We halfway there

[sweet summit]

a broken clock is right twice a day

[cedar kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1270040420315037727.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[orchid mural]

Yeah I'm cynical about forum feedback to, but we got to try:

[hardy snow]

Nothing says more how much they don't care about us as fact that they didn't even put official threat for feedback on forums (as t hey do for other classes) and it's scattered across few threads created by people.

[orchid mural]

Right?

Course, we aren't the only class ignored - priests are frothing at the mouth as well, among others.

Still, got to try get that feedback out there and stay positive.

[sharp gale]

There is only a Druid and Hunter official thread

[orchid mural]

yep, pretty ridiculous.

[strong forum]

"you think they think dont you?

[golden dawn]

How the fuck does druid have an official thread

[tardy abyss]

Got a few class talents moved or so

[sharp gale]

Idk I just know 1/4 of the bluepost of 11.1 was Druid and Hunter alone so maybe it is related

[cyan bronze]

Fwiw guardian should get its own thread complaining about its changes

Idk why but they managed to lower m+ bear dmg even more

And mm got a rather controversial rework from what I’ve heard

[round pendant]

bit doomer in here today

is it over for us boys?

[remote anchor]

yea you will play shaman tank over warrior tank

[round pendant]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/prot-warrior-nerfed-hard-prot-pally-not-touched/2031582

God the forums are hilarious

this cretin paladin butts in to argue

with his awful takes

Why does every thread in this section get derailed

do they not have moderators

[ionic plank]

arguing on wow forums is a hobby i need to get into

[sweet summit]

i have very mean things to say but i will not as i did not expect anything better from the forums

[jagged pier]

I mean aapprently the forums say they like the warrior changes so.... im not gunna have anything nice to say about them again

[sharp gale]

You talk about Sosari ? I just started and for now it is kinda right

[sweet summit]

what the

[sharp gale]

Im at the start when someone argue pala meta bc mitigation

[round pendant]

Not saying he's necessarily wrong about everything but "but but warriors were meta for half the season!!" is a DOGSHIT argument for why paladins don't deserve nerfs but warriors do

[sweet summit]

yeah i think the tier set is very strong actually

[round pendant]

just noticed

16.8k posts

[sharp gale]

If you got anymore posts it is funny but my brain is dissolving reading

[tardy abyss]

Nah its pretty good actually

Since MM had 0 identity

Now it has one again

[sharp gale]

I Will not blame him for not understanding IP is like shield armor spender/heal spender on pala but god it’s funny

[tardy abyss]

Is this guy arguing that ppal isnt actually good

[sharp gale]

No no

I sum up what I read so far : shit post on forum about prot war nerf, this pala player precise it’s not mitigation what made it OP, and then it’s just replies of replies of that

So 90% coms is unrelated to main topic as usual but just 1 main discussion on the first reply people disagree with

[tribal wharf]

i would like to argue that in a game like final fanatasy 9 is what examplefootage.mp4 running through my brain, and then you have 3 guys in your party in your group and then the guy whos a 45 year old fat man in knight armor stays alive and wins the fight through attrition, i think that feels good in that type of game, should translate to mmo, cant see why not.

tons of old wow clips like that in raids

[cyan bronze]

Yeah didn’t say it was bad

People just feel strongly

[tardy abyss]

Most had an issue with not being able to sum a pet anymore

Thing is that MM got harder to play again

When it was nearly as braindead as BM

[cyan bronze]

Oh init

[tardy abyss]

So of course there will be people having strong feelings about it

[cyan bronze]

Also fuck this guy this is why i hate numbers

Numbers are always bullshit

[tribal wharf]

MM game play is either 20 iq or 200 iq, source i was hunter 8.1 to like 9.0

no inbetween

[tardy abyss]

Yeah pretty much

[cyan bronze]

All of those statements the guy made are true

Besides warrior being tuned ahead

[tribal wharf]

all hunter really, well, i say this meaning not SV cuz, as i argued then, and continue to argue

[sharp gale]

I was BM nya and MM in Nathria both were as Braindead

[tribal wharf]

if i want to play 2h melee, i got arms, dk, and ret, monk, all kinds of crap

[tardy abyss]

SV plays better than any other melee spec anyway

[tribal wharf]

already sated for melee wants for ages

always hated SV, never liked druid, feel 50/50 on monk, dragon kind same as druid

warlock, omegalul, no

rogue, YES

[cyan bronze]

Lock is giga fun

[tardy abyss]

How do you hate SV when you never tried it

[cyan bronze]

I love destro

[tribal wharf]

no warlock for me, i never like that class, i want to

[sharp gale]

Typical, you know more on things you are interested in (him is pala) and not a lot on things you don’t (war)

[cyan bronze]

I’ve only played it in like 4 keys and like 30 ptr keys because my closest friend is a Destro main tho

[tribal wharf]

only time i truly enjoy lock was 3.3 ICC

demon form

leap

[cyan bronze]

I mean it’s just a stupid arguement

[tribal wharf]

oh and seed

[sharp gale]

Ofc it’s a forum post it is stupid, just read the title of the post

[cyan bronze]

Yah ig

It’s also technically true

Ip is 0 cd

[sharp gale]

And it will at same time have a longer cd next patch

[tardy abyss]

IP is op if you dont receive any damage 👍

[cyan bronze]

Real

Ip is 50% dr potentially lasting like what

As long as you can maintain rage

[sharp gale]

0.05 sec of anima slash

[cyan bronze]

Real

[sharp gale]

It’s funny I feel like the IP bar of my wa is a blood dk when anima slash happens

[cyan bronze]

Idk i just hope brew is meta

[sharp gale]

I don’t think blizzard will change stagger soon so nop

[cyan bronze]

fwiw

brew wasn’t that far off from it this tier

if ppal got shot(inshallah)

[tardy abyss]

Didnt stagger get a hard nerf into TWW or something

[cyan bronze]

it’s either Bree or warrior

[cyan bronze]

With everything else iirc

[tardy abyss]

From like 50% to 30% or something

[cyan bronze]

But brew actually got some notable buffs in the tank nerfs

[tardy abyss]

hm

[cyan bronze]

Think magic stagger got stronger?

Idr

[sharp gale]

It’s just the design itself which is tuned towards raid and not having 10+ mythic raid bosses hitting you

[cyan bronze]

I mean

brew brings a pretty ass raid buff

and limited util

[sharp gale]

As ass as ours

[cyan bronze]

and hasn’t been broken

[fallow hinge]

they are in every pwarr forum post lmao

[cyan bronze]

Worse

[sharp gale]

I know it’s worse but I don’t mind not shouting a pull or two

Brez and rl says rebuff him : nop

[round pendant]

FOTM players coping so hard fr

[fallow hinge]

fr fr

[cyan bronze]

If brew is meta in m+ im almost sure it’ll be like bear in s2

[ionic plank]

17k posts created

holy

[cyan bronze]

just very overtuned

[sharp gale]

These posts are mix of coping and typical all the faults on migrants type of reasonment

[cyan bronze]

and will live things other tanks can’t

but maybe they’ll do something silly and rework brew and make keg smash interrupt and do % hp dmg

[tribal wharf]

im cookin but okay right

so paladins have retri aura when someone dies a thing happens

what if defense stance someone dies, i think its call IO but the one that used to do party SW

[wicked pollen]

hi

[sharp gale]

I think the most basic thing utility wise to do on prot (will not change anything that much bc utility) is like just buff rallying cry in group content and intervene shield (make something of intervene in general)

[jagged pier]

They nerfed all raid waide cds because they dont want them to be too poweeful in raid

[sharp gale]

Group content as 5 man

Like darkness

I always try to think of laziest fix first bc blizz is a company, adding brand new spell is money

[jagged pier]

Yer its a lazy easy fix make it do different stuff

But youll be quiet because you player warrior and they know they can do what they want and we will still play it

[sharp gale]

Yep, that’s why, I remind myself it’s a company, they throw books of patch notes of hunters etc and not on brew for a reason

Money spending efficiency

[round pendant]

I'm just going paladin next season ig

will be annoying to catchup my gear tho

also sucks cause my paladin is a fuckin cow

[jagged pier]

U have a long time to gear

Now

And just get the enchant stuff

Is cheap now

[round pendant]

enchant stuff?

[jagged pier]

Yer

U can just buy a thing to make u any race for an hour

Enchanters can make them

[round pendant]

Oh right

[jagged pier]

Like u choose theres one for each race

[round pendant]

Yeah I remember seeing those

I mean I guess I could do that

I guess the highmountain tauren racial can be useful too

[abstract iris]

It’s kinda crazy paladin is the tankiest, has good utility, and does the most damage and on top of all of that they get additional interrupts

That last one really irks me because honestly they should look into giving all tanks an aoe interrupt like paladin has

Why are they so privileged

[wicked pollen]

tuned better

[wintry nymph]

what are those called for orcs jakey?

or where can i find them

[violet ginkgo]

I think you can buy in auction house

[wicked pollen]

they all have the same prefix

[wintry nymph]

which is?

[wicked pollen]

i forgor

[wintry nymph]

ah nps

ill check wowhead

ty

Gleeful Glamour?

[violet ginkgo]

try gleeful glamour

if I am not mistaken

input that in AH then see if something pop

[tardy abyss]

And it gives the racials?

[violet ginkgo]

no

[abstract iris]

I like the way orcs look but when you are moving at like 30-50% move speed buff they look kinda goofy, tbh all the smaller races look like they are moving in hyper speed with speed buffs

[violet ginkgo]

only appearance stjpa

[tardy abyss]

It sounded like it did

Which confused me

[round pendant]

Warrior has an aoe interrupt

it's just not worth taking

[cyan bronze]

-8% dmg

[round pendant]

I think I used it in some niche spots in df

don't think it was as bad of a pick then

but man it's just shit now

[cyan bronze]

Yeah iirc people used it in tott

And eb

[round pendant]

Why are blizzard obsessed with fucking over warrior?

Fury got giganerfed for no reason and took 4 weeks to be fixed

meanwhile shaman was allowed to be busted (and still is but at least they fixed bugged ele) for ages

Prot is now getting fucked but paladin will be allowed to be meta yet again

idk about Arms I didn't like it last time I played it

[sharp gale]

Every 3 dungeons you get a 636 piece of gear

[frozen sentinel]

Idk but I locked in to dps warrior and too late to swap since I got a irl shit goin on to gear another toon.. we aren’t terrible but we also aren’t getting much attention atm hopefully they change some things later into the PTR

[round pendant]

?

You mean 4 right

[sharp gale]

Or 4 yeah You catch up really fast tbh

[round pendant]

• that means +10s, I can't do +10s at 580 ilvl 😔

especially not without a 5stack

[sharp gale]

+8

[round pendant]

+8? I thought +10 was when you get 15 crests per time

well +8 is fine ig

still, people be charging 15k per crafted item fuck that noise

and if I'm just prepping for s2 I don't really need 636 ilvl

[sharp gale]

8 is 12 crests, you need 45 for the craft

[round pendant]

no it's 60

[sharp gale]

60 ? Why I think of 45

[round pendant]

I dunno

[sharp gale]

Anyway it’s really easy content for 636

It’s the harbringer one that is 45 mb

[vocal cave]

imagine not getting invited to weekly key with 640 ilvl cus youre not pala

[sharp gale]

Is it that bad ? It’s been few weeks I don’t even do 1 weekly, I always got insta invites

[vocal cave]

dunno usually dont have problem, today's lfg is cracked

[round pendant]

My keys are going awful lately

One guy just fucking up by ninja pulling, dying repeatedly or just not kicking

late season m+ is so depressing

I'm baby pulling too and then people are doing awful damage also

and if the key does get to the end, it's tight as fuck cause everyone's doing like 1.2m dps max

[lyric moth]

Stupid question but what do you do on valiona on grim batol when the affix add spawns on you? Do you hope one of your DPS taunts it off you or people actually swap effectively with it back there?

Or do you just not tank it in the back spot this week?

[sharp gale]

You made me remember the first 11 I did was the first time I saw a dude with 2m overall we thought he was a god

(He was indeed)

[strong forum]

You fullsend into it no?

It doesn't have that much health, should be fine cuz dps should also swap

[lyric moth]

OK, so basically leave it back there, try to pump my own damage as much as possible on it, and hope DPS swap to it back there

[strong forum]

Or just do a 12

[wicked pollen]

yeah

[strong forum]

[wicked pollen]

real

real

you also do damage

just press execute

[lyric moth]

Got it, thanks

[vocal cave]

[unborn island]

Do we need to have healers do anything to stay in the spot on GB? I've done it on 12 staying in there and eating everything, but not sure if that's the best idea...

[grim pilot]

No

You hug left

And youre fine

[jagged gust]

Yeah I'm getting invited to like 1 in 8 dungeons roughly, still only takes like 5 minutes of queuing so can't really complain

[wicked pollen]

you can also press spell block

[jagged gust]

I just hop the ledge

People have just been eating the frontal?

[sharp gale]

Just def cd the breath and nothing happens to you

[round pendant]

I mean it does like 40%

but yeah I just step out

[abstract iris]

They buffed high mountain tauren right? Is it better than normal tauren for tanking now?

[urban bane]

Apart from when dorf stoneform is useful, race is a nonfactor. just choose what you want. if it is or isnt better will have a diminutive impact on tank performance.

[abstract iris]

Yeah I know, but was just wondering if it makes them tankier than normal tauren

[mental scarab]

DiD is master race

[maiden forge]

ptr buffs to tier set, doesnt fix the issues with prot really, but its something

[obsidian girder]

Anyone also felt that ptr notes are missing something?

[ionic fern]

Yes, the
"We reverted back Protection Warrior changes because no one wanted them!"

[ionic fern]

Trash.

Better than before, but trash.

[jagged pier]

Except apprently ppl wanted them

[obsidian girder]

This

[heavy temple]

sorry need to be mage for that

[cerulean tusk]

They aim to solve a problem for the 70%, not the 1% that comes on here or the 10% that goes to the forums. Not even the 30% that throw s comment on social media.

For all we know the target group is happy with how things are coming together

[heavy temple]

The group you refer does neither have ptr installed nor reads patch notes

[ionic fern]

So, where is this 70% target group giving feedback from?

[cerulean tusk]

Exactly

[ionic fern]

I'd love to get in there.

[fallow hinge]

blizzard HQ

[cerulean tusk]

Prob internal test grouping

[heavy temple]

So how can they be happy with the changes

[ionic fern]

"70%",

[cerulean tusk]

Prob closer to the avg player than here or the forum

Does it play better for ppl that don't use the resets, or for the ones who do suboptimal presses? I find it likely it does

[ionic fern]

See, MAYBE i would believe that, but the fact that they are going the wrong way with what they are stating in the patch notes makes me iffy.

🙂

[jagged pier]

On the offical forum that doesnt exsist so they can say what they want

[ionic fern]

"Majority of people are happy".
Literally everywhere you read the majority are complaining.

[ember token]

Hm, there are some nerfs to Ppally. Damn should have played to know what they feels like

Shield Charge cooldown reduction increased to 12 seconds (was 6 seconds).

• but not mentioning that this shit does not proc at all....

[waxen frigate]

That’s quite literally the case with so much shit they do. Don’t explain most changes, then when they do they’re beyond out of touch and demonstrate a lack of understanding

[obsidian girder]

I always wonder why the theory crafter has more clue of a class than the blizzard employee

[ionic fern]

Because we actually play the game and the class.

[tardy abyss]

Thats common in every game tho

Especially when a game has as much depth as wow

[obsidian girder]

So why wouldn't I hire several of the theorycrafter and boom you got expertise on your own game

It's that easy

[maiden forge]

cause blizzard thinks they know better

[tardy abyss]

Because they would be fired after a few weeks again

lol

[maiden forge]

on everything

[ionic fern]

Most class theorycrafters are willing to provide their feedback for FREE.
The issue is that Blizzard doesn't want it.

[obsidian girder]

That's even worse

[maiden forge]

yes

[cerulean tusk]

Theorycrafter doesn't mean they are in touch with the masses tho

The mom and dad 1h a day players

[ionic fern]

The mom and dad 1h day players could play Prot the way it was, just slower.

[cerulean tusk]

Blizz probably got feelers on that

[maiden forge]

wait, doesnt this mean 0 damage?

[obsidian girder]

I guess, from what I heard, beside pally all other tanks are not in a good shape

[cerulean tusk]

VDH should launch like this

[obsidian girder]

Heard they are buggy

This is the rage fix I guess

[waxen frigate]

Surely a typo or mistake from wowhead

[jagged pier]

That just makes it no usable 100% of the time

Cause its equal to bloodsurge on 5 targets so u would never run BS

[maiden forge]

surely

Barbaric Training no longer increases the rage cost of Revenge for Protection.

cool change

its something, i guess

the 4 set piece also is now increasing crit chance of SS by 75% instead of 50%, which is neat

still, changes are not enough to make me happy

[jagged pier]

U want to be happy? Reroll to paladin or vdh

[cerulean tusk]

I am personally sick of these half measure crit givers. Be it ashen jugg giving 50% or tierset.

Clearly they supposed to give you the crits. When you don't crit at 80+% it just feels bad - and ain't worth the impact on fun feel

Just do 100% always instead

[maiden forge]

honestly, ye

[round pendant]

Literally

Nerfing the high end gameplay so the awful players feel less bad about playing suboptimally is so toxic for the game imo

just a straight race to the bottom

that's my take on the warrior changes

and as for the "70%" metric

As if you couldn't just play prot warrior slower for your m0 runs

[cerulean tusk]

They keep the lights on, never forget. Warrior is the classic tank, never forget

We got to be approachable

[round pendant]

the "difficulty" of playing warrior optimally only matters for the people who want to play optimally

[jagged pier]

Its harder if your worse now

[tardy abyss]

They cant even have a sb uptime of 20%

[jagged pier]

So thays jist wrong

[cerulean tusk]

All the blinking lights make them scared or something

I don't have their data

[round pendant]

so either you make it braindead to play optimally (zero depth) or you just ignore the shitters when it comes to balancing that part of the spec (correct decision)

[round pendant]

Classic blizz move

[cerulean tusk]

If they were smart, they could just make shieldblock a 100% passive as a talent option.

Would solve the 99% issue of "why I die"

[jagged pier]

No

Cause then its not warrior anymore

Your supposed to manage resources

[round pendant]

Their issue is with idiots looking at the 80 APM on simulationcraft and being like THIS IS TOO MUCH even tho 80% of prot war players are sub 50CPM

[cerulean tusk]

DH got 180 apm

[urban portal]

more like 180 bpm

of heart rate

from high cholesterol

from eating souls

[cerulean tusk]

Omnomnom

[urban bane]

true just look at how alt timeline gorefiend turned out

[round pendant]

I'm all for reducing IP spam since I think it's boring but idk how you do that without fucking the spec

which they have

so sad

[cerulean tusk]

If that was the goal, they would give IP a cd

[hardy snow]

answer is easy, make revenge off-gcd, IP spam problem solved

[upper spoke]

hey. is there a server for classis wow servers, where i coudl find groups and people who might want to level together?

[cerulean tusk]

Ask on fight club

[round pendant]

I'd prob say buff IP and revenge

[cerulean tusk]

Try prob in the know

[round pendant]

revenge should cost more rage and do way more damage

[cerulean tusk]

Remove revenge, make ww great again

Remove shieldslam, make slam great again

Remove shieldblock, make paladin better

[kind urchin]

I'd be okay with the strategist nerf if they reduce the base cooldown of shield slam and thunderclap to compensate so we don't have so much down time.

[jagged pier]

But the rotation is fine

[cerulean tusk]

You have 0 dead gcds on PTR atm

[jagged pier]

Bliz said the players say so