“you will be doing way more dmg than before”
#protection
tardy abyss
Please tell me he is not aware of the previous nerfs
cyan bronze
i did
tardy abyss
Doing gods work
tardy abyss
Who cares
I can't imagine him having a lot of fanboys tho
Really boring to watch imo
dark barn
Maybe the class feels slow and sad but actually works... sha did +12 floodgate and posted a video about. And he did it before the last buffs
pallid quiver
We've said that
the entire time
As long as 100% SB uptime is a thing, the spec will be fine
Block is ridiculously strong. You can have literally zero IPs and still live in even M raid as long as you block
lilac basalt
maybe they want us to use IP before a big dmg instead of having it all the time?
pallid quiver
That's their stated intent.
None of their adjustments achieve that.
So if you take what they said as their reasoning for changes at face value, that's what they intend, since they want you to think about when you use IP more instead of just sending it so often
As it stands, you still really make the same decisions
just slower
IP also isn't really good at reducing single big hits, aas the main benefit of partial absorbs in the vein of IP is to help slow damage intake over time so that other functions of the spec can recover (Indom, FbV if you have it, the leech in class tree, etc)
lilac basalt
yes and even though I tried to keep it up most of the time, I sometimes decided not to refresh it but spend rage on execute or something when there were only a few mobs left (in m+). I might be wrong to do this but still, I didn't feel forced to spend it all on IP
jagged pier
If he actually thinks this, it just shows he doesnt actually understand the class, and how the changes have fully effected it
or that VDH is a thing and ppal is a thing
jagged gust
The title is just bait btw, he barely even speaks on protwar
"Is protwar good? They got buffed but idk lol ppal still go brr"
in essence
cerulean tusk
Ye, what he says aint wrong - it just gets a bit out of context due to clickbait title
Do we do more dam with the buffs on the PTR, over the build before? Ye, sure. Will it make us meta? Nah, ppala still a thing - gg ez, seems to be the gist
mighty valley
i really don’t care if we end up meta, i just hope it doesn’t feel like ass by the time they’re done with the patch
cerulean tusk
Well, it likely wont feel much better than what it does right now. They kinda want it to be like this, so meh?
Just number tuning now, and that wont make it feel better/worse, other than in dopamine brain numbers on screen
Maybe we get another 10% stamina buff to compensate, who knows
mighty valley
rage number tuning can affect how it plays though, right
cerulean tusk
Ye, but they dont want us to have more
It is supposed to just barely get you through the rotation, and giving you a little drip of excess rage to use your IP stratigically around
Atm, it kinda works like that
mighty valley
that sounds fine tbh if they actually land there
but if i experience a dead global
I’m calling my representatives
cerulean tusk
You only do atm, if you didnt pool your rage
pallid quiver
don't worry, next update will remove SS for you specifically, Harrow
mighty valley
it’s gonna be a while before i can play anyway on account of my house burning down
so idk why I’m even invested right now
cerulean tusk
Once a warrior, always a warrior
hoary glen
well i think i'm rdy for wednesday
jagged gust
such a pretty vault
hoary glen
such a pretty vault
true. but about the loot spec - fury or prot?
jagged gust
Looks like the highest vault loot you have unlocked is heroic tier, prot would be nice if you don't have a heroic or better shield, but fury will remove all tank trinkets which you really don't want. But in the end everything at that level is farmable from 7 and up m+
hoary glen
Looks like the highest vault loot you have unlocked is heroic tier, prot would b...
I will probably upgrade the slots again tomorrow to +8 so that something higher comes out. At the moment weapon and shield are hero gear with crit haste.
hardy snow
Block is **ridiculously** strong. You can have literally zero IPs and still live...
Sad thing they are now desigining physical tankbusters that aren't blockable, at least in current raid 
pallid quiver
I mean, blockable tank usters generally just makes it on the table that Prot War might be able to solo tank the fight
And Blizz hates solo tank strats
Just look at this last race, where they instantly adjusted Court after Princess was solo tanked to avoid another fight being done via solo tank strats
The only reason they didn't adjust Princess eas because it would have been unfair for the other groups
hardy snow
I mean, blockable tank usters generally just makes it on the table that Prot War...
Nah, just make debuff 3000% more dmg taken from particular skill, solo ends there
like they did with silken
I guess they learned after Kyveza/Court and will be doing tankbuster debuffs like this on regular basis.
pallid quiver
They also made Silken's persist through death, as well
Since the main plan was using the b rez totem iirc
hardy snow
Prebuffs main plan was simply - just use one tank, cause debuff isn''t strong enough during phase and will drop off during intermission, Blizz added persist through death as they watched RWF on Kyveza and learned that brez totem exists
jagged gust
I will probably upgrade the slots again tomorrow to +8 so that something higher ...
Yeah get those 6's to 7's and you'll get the rest on to hero track, since you already have hero track gear then definitely fury for the better trinkets, or even arms to grab a 2h for offspec since you don't need 1h or shield unless you're gonna run some 10s for myth.
cerulean tusk
The solo tank issue is easily solved in raid by just adding mechanics that counter that strat. Just hardcode "you die on 2nd buster, though luck" if they hate it so much
no need to nerf warr and BDK
:(
jagged gust
At least BDK still has their niche which secures their slot in raid
cerulean tusk
Raid is nice, as you overgear it so easilly
BDK feels alright in a 12, BDK feels "why am I here, just to suffer?" as you kite in a 14
pallid quiver
<:gladge:963970137701109820> Raid is nice, as you overgear it so easilly
Nuh-uh, you need 650 ilvl for normal
Just ask all the pugs
cerulean tusk
He aint wrong, if you play it right you wont have any rage issues. Not sure about the damage going up tho, it is hard to point out with my sample size and testing. Still, damage was "ok", I held threath. So, yay?
As long you play around having a bank of rage, warrior works fine - it just isnt as much fun
1st pack in Prior is likely soloable, sure. Not sure if that includes what you chain them into, but also not a falsehood in itself. Danger is more often to your group, not you - warrior is still tanky against white swings, it is when the threat is magic dam and bleeds you really struggle more than before.
As with the miniboss in the same dung, the forge thingie, that I just used my CDs and then kited back to start :v
pallid quiver
I think he might be wrong, since iirc getting hit for rage has an icd
cerulean tusk
Thanks, I hate it
ember token
onyx vessel
its not me
its some pug in this raid
he died on princess to just dmg
has like 10% SB uptime
cerulean tusk
wait that is live?
onyx vessel
i cant even
cerulean tusk
not PTR?
cerulean tusk
cyan bronze
How did u find my logs
cyan bronze
I think he might be wrong, since iirc getting hit for rage has an icd
who would of guessed
yoda fanboy comments are wrong
oak ivy
are we slightly less doomer after the most recent warrior notes
pallid quiver
Not particularly, since dooming was related to the playstyle change Blizz wanted
thiugh performance wise we're still worse off
Pins for more indepth
oak ivy
Would keeping us as we are currently but make IP cost more for more absorb make sense
cerulean tusk
Their goal is not to reduce the amount of casts, but force thought and have us choose to use IP. They aren't that far off on the PTR to do that. At the moment you can chose to use IP once per CD rotation, so where you push it "matters", if only it mattered.
It just plays a lot worse. Having to play around a ragebank could work, if procs suddenly didn't overflow you and force the IP either way.
It just kinda don't work with current design
unkempt holly
hi all im really new to warrior and wanted to ask i know we need teir set of 4 do i buy helmet, shoulders, chest and gloves?
lilac basalt
Quote from wowhead guide;
Due to their itemization, Protection Warriors prefer equipping tier pieces on these slots:
Head
Chest
Gloves
Legs
narrow prawn
Prot is back?
urban bane
naur it is deadge
memes aside check the pins and read chat a bit ; the buffs bring the tuning closer to inline, but gameplay still bad and in need of hawk tuah
hearty narwhal
should I craft a 636 shield for more armor or 636 ring for more haste?
north atlas
Guys there be a guy cooking in fourms rn abt a rework give it a read
tribal wharf
you know what wow really needs that would get me back, not so much wow but blizzard games, and i say it after experiencing it from steam few weeks ago
in launcher game recorder that records only the game and nothing else
doesnt record my desktop or browser or external sounds overlays n shit
so that way always have a clean recording, and dont have to think about it too hard
im not smart enough with OBS to be able to manage multiple sound sources switching, instead use overplay or nvidia( that was first thing i started to use)
works with whatever game is on the launcher
too many times i have recorded a key, and its riddled with asmongold talking in video or some streamer, or some terrible yt video
tribal wharf
eh, sure i guess, i already got my obs set up perefectly to record ps5 or whatever through capture
so i dont want to mess with those settings
nividia is okay, but basic, outplayed is pretty good, but its no where near perfect
i'd just rather it would be part of the whole package and i never have to think about can i do this (record) it just does it, seems really nice on steam
something something unregistered hypercam 2, activate now we evolved past that way back in 2005 or so ago....... i hope...
knotty turtle
What do yall do to self evaluate and improve? If a dungeon goes poorly sometimes it's hard to poinpoint why exactly
north atlas
lots to look at, i dont have a strong enuff pc to vod but i look at details...lookin at ints dmg heals buff time times etc
tribal wharf
What do yall do to self evaluate and improve? If a dungeon goes poorly sometime...
rewatch in slow motion the video see what happened, and logs
which partially ties into the recording thing
broken shoal
nividia is okay, but basic, outplayed is pretty good, but its no where near perf...
nvidia literally does exactly what you want
you just press a hotkey, it records and isolates the game sounds
tribal wharf
oh, well, i'll have to look into how it works
its just another tool i can learn from and if its by blizzard, its one less thing i have to think about tinkering with etc
urban bane
In less than the time it took you to write your posts I made one google query: https://youtu.be/XUa7mrpIFoE?si=Mw3a9zVR7BURt3tT
unborn steeple
Good morning, guys. English is not my native language, so any mistakes are possible. I followed some player analyses saying that the Protection Warrior will be terrible in the 2nd season. Is that really the case? Will it fall behind all the other tanks?
tardy abyss
As of right now pwar has taken a pretty solid hit. It will be good enough for your weekly keys, but you will not have a good timing pushing high keys
urban bane
It is now more in line after the most recent changes. The gameplay is still bad. Better, but many think the changes shouldnt have happened in the first place.
tribal wharf
i just recall when i was setting up the capture card in terms of sound it was really finicky, so i didnt want to mess with the obs settings again
its capturing console games, good enough
it works so im never touching those settings again without expert help, or im streamer
urban bane
Yogi, the world is your oyster. And you are allergic to shellfish. That, I think, is what your problem boils down to. My condolences.
tribal wharf
in ideal world i would have a secondary computer that does all that business end portion of it
i just dont like things that are unstable or taking steps that lead to something becoming unstable, learned this lesson with tech from 90s onwards many times oer
north atlas
Again goto fourms abt 1.1 ptr, there is a big thread pls voice ur concerns and or ideas....someone is cooking on that thread rn imo
tardy abyss
Who is cooking
north atlas
Used for revenge and execute
north atlas
Not if the nerf happens
tardy abyss
But point still stands, it makes rage pointless
And the IP suggestion sounds somewhat decent on paper but would feel bad in practice
Unless the value of each IP gets amped a ton
tardy abyss
I would rather keep the current flow of the spec
north atlas
Massive value increase
tardy abyss
Instead of reworking it
north atlas
Do you think its gunna happen tho?
tardy abyss
No, but it is possible
north atlas
They wanna rework it, give them a better rework then whats going down
tardy abyss
They dont want to rework it, that was not the point of the changes
All they wanted to do is reduce the rage gen to lower the cpm and they thought buffing IP to compensate would be enough
But theyre still missing out on anger management
And in return some buff to our base tankiness would help as well
If we have way less rage for our AM
north atlas
Less avatar
tribal wharf
north atlas
They reduced sw cd
north atlas
More hunters than pwaf
tardy abyss
They reduced sw cd
This is like the worst part of the changes tbh
IW was like so much better than aegis to begin with
tardy abyss
So they nerfed IW to the ground (with the indirect nerfs with SS resets) and now we are supposed to act as if the buff to aegis is decent
When it is still a bad talent imo
north atlas
Meh I use ageis with my thane build
tardy abyss
Live IW gets you an active wall cd of like 45 seconds
That is so much better than 2.5m per stack on ptr
north atlas
But besides agis they still reduce sw cd by 30 sec i belive
tribal wharf
part of why im bitching about the recording thing is cuz while i was learning to get good at tank i post video and they have all these stupid noises and voices
i wont infect other discords with that type of stuff
mighty valley
what’s the ptr reality of imp wall now? it’s gotta be so much worse with the overall rage reduction
and aegis gets you the flat reduction, plus the power of two back to back when that’s relevant
north atlas
I think so
tardy abyss
what’s the ptr reality of imp wall now? it’s gotta be so much worse with the ove...
Its down bad
tardy abyss
and aegis gets you the flat reduction, plus the power of two back to back when t...
What flat reduction
Did I miss out on something
mighty valley
oh I may be conflating two things lemme check
tribal wharf
imagine they put back in banner or reprisal
sweet summit
shield charge is reprisal
sweet summit
i don't think reprisal should come back
we have great block talents now so it's not necessary
mighty valley
What flat reduction
right they just reduced the base cd, ignore me forever
tardy abyss
all g
mighty valley
“we’re trying to make the spec easier and less hectic. also let’s bring back reprisal”
tribal wharf
is it going to be as bad as 8.0 or 9.0 though?
mighty valley
i don’t think the power gap will be as big but it’s gonna be less fun
tribal wharf
cuz 8 . 1 2 3 was all jankily good, 9 . 2 3 was fine, df was fine
untold minnow
guys guys
whats wrong with queen mythic its keep overaggroing on me
even i dont touch it
help
small steeple
So what's the deal with Champion Spear and Thunderous roar? What is the thinking behind how one or the other is chosen?
tardy abyss
whats wrong with queen mythic its keep overaggroing on me
Prob some y-axis shenanigans
untold minnow
what that means
small steeple
Elevation
untold minnow
.l
heavy temple
I dont understand why I rash myth does not do damage to me, and I just live every bleed easily without popping a defensive but 2x on the 4th platform (2nd time top) the tank hit killed me with one stack. Is there some dmg amp going on?
hollow monolith
I'm currently playing with the colossus spec for tanking, i usually play as mountain than..... anything I should keep an eye on, things I should "save" for in the shit moments?
small steeple
So what's the deal with Champion Spear and Thunderous roar? What is the thinkin...
I also have a question regarding Defender's Aegis vs Impenetrable wall (the shield wall cdr vs 2 charges). I see in push level keys that Impenetrable wall is taken, what is the rationale for when this is taken over the other?
tardy abyss
So what's the deal with Champion Spear and Thunderous roar? What is the thinkin...
Roar is more damage when you have low crit, gotta sim for yourself if its worth it
tardy abyss
I also have a question regarding Defender's Aegis vs Impenetrable wall (the shie...
IW is better in a large majority of cases - rule of thumb is if you never need shield walls back to back (which is only really the case in Necrotic Wake) then you run IW, else aegis
round pendant
uh oh
Who are these arthritic players? 80apm is fine when a quarter of that is just pressing IP and another quarter is just pressing shield slam
idm slowing it down but SS procs are fun and they shouldn't have nerfed that 
round pendant
IW is better in a large majority of cases - rule of thumb is if you never need s...
Where do you need b2b SW in NW?
I never did that but I only did NW on 10 so
mighty valley
Where do you need b2b SW in NW?
people do the huge first pull, on higher keys it’s threatening for longer than eight seconds
small steeple
Is this counting the haste into the fray applies? Or before it is
small steeple
IW is better in a large majority of cases - rule of thumb is if you never need s...
Thanks much
round pendant
people do the huge first pull, on higher keys it’s threatening for longer than e...
If you've been in my keys, you'd know it's scary for longer than 8 seconds in +10s too
people do 0dps
I just refused to do any big pulls in any key this season
just got 2500 and quit
mighty valley
that’s the way for most people tbh
mighty valley
which is why it’s silly that so many brainlessly copied taking aegis
round pendant
Praying that my friend group plays more actively in s2
cause pugging was so despairge in s1
tardy abyss
Is this counting the haste into the fray applies? Or before it is
Unbuffed
small steeple
Damn ok, my pwar is up to 625 now and I only have 14-16k haste. Depending on flask/food
tribal wharf
haste is always measured as when you have no buffs
round pendant
Getting enough haste for ITF in keys is pretty hard
should be ezpz next season tho
tribal wharf
then you just say world buffed or whatever you call it
even with static long lasting effects such as flask or weapon stone
violet ginkgo
Right... with the rage nerf next season, guess we can't press execute as much anymore? 40 rage quite costly with the rage nerf.
round pendant
you guys are pressing execute?
tardy abyss
yes
tribal wharf
execute is the warrior thing to do
round pendant
Actually forgot about that button after coming back from a few months break
mighty valley
it’s just better revenge with one target
or a prio target
although idk maybe we’ll need to truly maximize our ss reset chances next patch
round pendant
I might have to switch to paladin
Sucks cause the only thing I like about prot paladin is avenger's shield
violet ginkgo
you guys are pressing execute?
Yeah we press it but next season will be awkward for both thane and colossus.
For Thane: right now we are swimming with rage and execute is a really nice rage dump, on GCD yeah but still better than you pressing IP to avoid cap. Next season? Rage gutted so you will press execute way less.
For Colossus: The changes where Execute no longer give colossal might stack is weird..
small steeple
For Colossus: The changes where Execute no longer give colossal might stack is weird..
It really is weird. Really goes against the fantasy of both arms and prot, especially in regards to Colossus
unborn wagon
Does mountain thane do more dmg in weekly 10 keys?
jagged pier
no
wicked pollen
Is this counting the haste into the fray applies? Or before it is
before
urban portal
i presume it’s a change that was aimed at arms
yeah its mainly there to hit arms
prot got caught in crossfire
maiden forge
pallid quiver
Nah, they just don't want anyone to press Execute ever
After all, it's a soft hitting ability that consumes a lot of resources by their implications
Except for Fury, which generates some resources
pallid quiver
Sucks cause the only thing I like about prot paladin is avenger's shield
also this is funny, because avenger's shield is probably my least favorite offensive button to press as Prot Pala
I think its effect is near, but I get zero thrills from pressing that button
real obsidian
hm, is there a WA that tracks damage type over prior time window? to get some idea for new content which buttons to push
wicked pollen
what
pallid quiver
if there's damage coming in, you press shield wall
If there's a cast bar, you can press spell block or sr
wicked pollen
if something hurts press a wall
wicked pollen
how else would you play the game? make mistakes and learn from them
oh no no wall for a pack and you die
go aagin
real obsidian
lol I mean yeah
I had an addon like 3 expacs ago that gave me a running %
it was nice for new stuff cuz I didn't have to think
thinky hard
real obsidian
its fine, if theres not a "its this one" then i probably dont need it I guess
y'all go without so I can too
iron atlas
Are there dungeons in which battle scarred veteran is a good choice? Not sure where to drop points if I were to put a point into that
mighty valley
It’s just a safety net against mistakes generally
People usually drop ravager if they want to get it
You can’t get it without giving up some meaningful power
iron atlas
Okay thanks, that's what it felt like. I'd like to have it in NW and SV for the first pulls but doesn't really seem like its worth it if I gotta drop ravager for it
unborn wagon
What does mroe dmg Col or Thane in weekly 10s?
urban portal
Col
unborn wagon
Any good builds out there?
quick elk
anyone on PTR know if the luck of the draw procing shield wall works with immovable object and then avatar of the storm?
jagged pier
it does not
it also overrights your current SW timer
so hope it doesnt proc just after u press SW
tribal wharf
thats a bug
big buff shouldnt be overwritten by same buff but smaller number
timer or factors
cyan bronze
anyone on PTR know if the luck of the draw procing shield wall works with immova...
tbh
if it did
we would be rather pogging
open river
What’s the difference between Revenge and Whirlwind other than Revenge getting free casts every now and then and doing like 3 less damage according to the tooltip? I assume later on Revenge gets even stronger though but rn I’m on the free trial so capped at 20
strong forum
revenge applies deep wounds, revenge is more dmg per rage, revenge can reset shield slam (once you talent into strategist)
cerulean tusk
Dont bring that up again :Critcake:
open river
Oh gotcher
So is there a reason to keep whirldwind on my hotbar or is it doing 360 plus like 3 more damage worth enough to keep? Do you even ever use 2H on Prot?
cerulean tusk
There is 0 reason
cyan bronze
No
open river
Oh cool
onyx vessel
cyan bronze
Other than looking cool as fuck
cerulean tusk
Hell yea
cyan bronze
Prot doesn’t have much else going for it rn
onyx vessel
Dont bring that up again :Critcake:
hollow citrus
pretty likely that the crafting stats/embelishments will stay the same for the next season, yeah? (i know im late to the party, but crafting a Everforged defender now lol)
open river
I was on my hunter character earlier too trying that one out and I queued into a dungeon and the prot war had a 2H and I was confused lmao
strong forum
absolute legend
wicked pollen
Oh gotcher
So is there a reason to keep whirldwind on my hotbar or is it doing 3...
2h prot
frozen berry
What ring runes are people using for m+? Looking at leaderboard it’s kinda all over the place
onyx vessel
im surprised he didnt die more 
pallid quiver
What ring runes are people using for m+? Looking at leaderboard it’s kinda all o...
You can sim them to see what's best for your char
There's none thta have a notable like defensive benefit other than stats, and you probably don't need to rock one of the healing gems at this point (especially since it's been neefed for non-healets)
hoary oriole
how much damage should i be doing as a prot warrior in mythic plus? i'm 620 ilvl and i usually average 400 to 450. i feel like when I heal most tanks are doing far more than I am, albeit at a higher ilvl.
mighty valley
Varies between dungeons but double that would be a good start
torn gulch
some dungeons like stonevault you normally pass 1m dps
remote anchor
depends alot on how big you pull tho
mighty valley
400k is low even just for hold W route single pulls though tbh
mighty valley
If you bring us a log we can diagnose the biggest issues
hoary oriole
i think i might prioritize revenge too much in my rotation
cerulean tusk
Do you prio revenge over shieldslam?
mighty valley
yeah it’s dead last
hoary oriole
i throw out the occasional ww too. i sometimes find it difficult to get intial aggro on all mobs
mighty valley
whirlwind is genuinely useless
hoary oriole
esp if theres say a ret paladin, and a pull begins without shield charge
cerulean tusk
The occational WhirlWind?
mighty valley
get it off your bars
cerulean tusk
Ye, get WW out of there - WW is only allowed for meme'sters
round pendant
I mean a single tclap is good enough to get aggro on everything
why would you need ww
if someone rips aggro off you at the start of the pull it's their fault too
can also aoe taunt to save their ass
hearty narwhal
are there any massive difference between 619 shield and 636 crafted shield? or should I craft amulet or ring I've got only 606 ilvl of them
ring is gonna give me liike 1k haste 4.5k stamina
cerulean tusk
Always prio blockvalue and armor from the shield o7
round pendant
are there any massive difference between 619 shield and 636 crafted shield? or s...
shield is big
remote anchor
are there any massive difference between 619 shield and 636 crafted shield? or s...
yes you get armor and block from it
only place you get block from
karmic plinth
ring is gonna give me liike 1k haste 4.5k stamina
stam is a stat u dont rly need to go crazy chasing
u will get it from ilvl
strong forum
are there any massive difference between 619 shield and 636 crafted shield? or s...
You'll take like 15% less dmg from upgrading shield to 636
So yeah it's quite big
jagged gust
If everyone uses it is has a cumulatively high proc rate, which basically amounts to bringing a second healer
4ppm+ haste, so more like 5-6ppm, across 5 players and 3 separate heal/shield gems
losing an absolute shit ton of damage, but if you're just knocking out vaults go bananas
river spade
perfect :3
jaunty wolf
any colossus enjoyers?
mild river
any colossus enjoyers?
I tried to enjoy but it's so slow that I hated 😒
jaunty wolf
noted, noted
kind urchin
I enjoy both hero trees.
jagged gust
Feels way too slow for me, doesn't scratch the right itch
plucky hedge
Don’t worry next season both the specs going to be slow 🙂 according to some people that have tried ptr but they might be dooming
kind urchin
No, it's unbelievably slow on ptr.
open river
Oh wait a second if I take Strategist there’s no real reason to ever use Slam, right? Since spamming Revenge would mean more procs of free shield bash which is even more damage and rage, yeah?
remote anchor
Oh wait a second if I take Strategist there’s no real reason to ever use Slam, r...
you never press slam or ww as prot warrior
open river
Neat
strong forum
I pretty much exclusively play colossus in keys cuz it just does more damage
And thane feels just unfun to play
cerulean tusk
My only wishlist item for col, is that Demo hit for a lot more on that single hit - 3-4mill aint releasing dopamine when SS hits close to that
Could just be BDK that ruined my brain tho
cerulean tusk
Ye, but it doesnt release the same dopamine as a single number of your screen that shows 14mill
that is just the legendary addon that kinda made your mind justify pressing the button - didnt make it feel better
remote anchor
get an addon that gives you a big fake number when you press it
strong forum
My only wishlist item for col, is that Demo hit for a lot more on that single hi...
Sure but it hits that on, ykno, all targets
SS is just 1, demolish is like outbursts big brother 
And well, every Single revenge hits as much as an outburst Thunderblast aswell 
Thane just can't compete with colossus pump
cerulean tusk
I want to delete 1 target, that guy in particular, with 55 million dam, one strike
:(
DPS can pad, I want dopamine
Revenge spam do feel nice, a lot better than clapa clap
frigid spire
are we lookin strong for undermined
cerulean tusk
From the testing I done, I say we lookin' about the same as live. Just fine, a bit less fun to play, but fine to get the job done for your weekly key
round cliff
so do we play colossus in 11.1
or does less rage gen make colossus feel even more rage starved than before xd
strong forum
Nah colossus is less affected by the rage nerfs as most of your rotation already did include revenge
Thane however will have to send a lot more revenges than it's used to
round cliff
whys that? ive been out of the loop except for the veeeery basics of the changes
strong forum
Less shield slam resets
cerulean tusk
After the last change, we can keep going the rotation as Col. Just not much beyond it outside of CDs. It works tho - just doesnt feel as fun
strong forum
It's not bad
round cliff
bad being 1% or more worse than thane
strong forum
Can't really quantify it
Cuz thane probably still remains the more defensive option
however
Due to less frequent IP usages and the opening up of 1 additional talent point in the 3rd talent gate, there's a real chance that colossus can be rather powerful in m+ due to 20% larger IP from hero tree and the ability to pick up immovable object for a very minor dps loss
But potentially immensely powerful defensive gain
strong forum
No
IO is more of a dmg gain than UF is for colossus
(assuming that you send sw on cd for damage)
round cliff
wild
strong forum
Thunderclap sucks
round cliff
i should just play guardian..
strong forum
TC has no dmg amps anywhere
cerulean tusk
TC claps
strong forum
Meanwhile revenge gets buffed by up to 250% as Colossus
round cliff
u still prio it for rage gen right xd
round cliff
damn ok
strong forum
Like as Colossus, thunderclap hits for about 500k total on 5 targets
Iirc
But revenge? 2.5million
pallid quiver
Colo actually slaps
pallid quiver
Clap is a wet noodle in comparison, even Thane Clap
strong forum
Well yeah, I recommend heavily to ykno, try shit out
round cliff
gonna have to recommend me to resub first xddd
strong forum
Ah yeah nah
pallid quiver
I still like the flavor of Thane more, personally
strong forum
I only go thane when I'm "scared"
pallid quiver
but revenge farming is the feel goods press
round cliff
ill be back like a week or 2 before 11.1 to get my ring
strong forum
Or really don't wanna tryhard
cerulean tusk
Thane is perfect for when you just want to dial the run in
strong forum
Then I play thane, to go afk mode
round cliff
real question is
miyabi's weapon goes away in a day and its guaranteed in 14 rolls but i rly should be saving for astra
cerulean tusk
Answer is yes, it isnt worth playing WoW
round cliff
what do
strong forum
What in the who now
cerulean tusk
Think it is one of em gotcha games
pallid quiver
^^^
strong forum
New d4 season starts in 23hrs
Anniversary of helldivers 2 is in a few weeks
Mh:wilds releases in a month
pallid quiver
who needs D4 when you can be a die nastilly warrior in the new origins game
round cliff
i just got fired from my job and idk if im supposed to find a new one asap or wait for mhwilds
xd
pallid quiver
Mh:wilds releases in a month
BACK IN MY DAY
strong forum
Yuuup
pallid quiver
I'm making my way to the bronze age at this rate
strong forum
That's a decade ago
strong forum
I did see a bit of mh2 on psp
But I never had a psp
So yeh
I was Nintendo child but stopped at the wii
So no mh tri
pallid quiver
strong forum
Das hot
pallid quiver
i was so excited for MH4U when it came out
I've had this thing since
the last MH I've actually touched was World
They started adding all this finagly new combat styles and wire moves
and i'm just like
"me press button ha ha"
strong forum
Rise was extremely fun
The faster pacing is very much to my liking
But obv the graphical downgrade from worlds is a shame
hollow citrus
what would a colosssuss mythic build look like, wowhead just has raid builds, would it just be one of them?
strong forum
under the talent calculator section you can find my recommended m+ build in the drop down menu
hollow citrus
hmm, when i go to the talent section, the mythic builds just show a single Mt Thane, when you say drop down menus, is there another place i should be looking? apologies
appreciate ya'll taking the time to help me out
hollow citrus
ah, i see now. thanks! i had no idea that option existed until just now lol
appreciate it!
violet ginkgo
They started adding all this finagly new combat styles and wire moves
Yeah Rise become too spammy. Thankfully it released in NDS first before steam so when they decide to release in steam I was like... Nah.. I am good.
quaint sinew
I Just simmed my stat weights and im curious why crit gives the most ep?, then mastery?
seems wierd to me
also i thought vers would be more than mastery
dusky canopy
I would avoid stat weight sims
As soon as you equip a new piece of gear the stat weight will change
Better to use top gear and droptimizer to find upgrades
quaint sinew
kk
round pendant
I Just simmed my stat weights and im curious why crit gives the most ep?, then m...
They're all so close it literally doesn't matter
but haste and crit are good
sharp olive
Nah colossus is less affected by the rage nerfs as most of your rotation already...
Do you see Colossus being "meta" come 11.1? over thane
violet ginkgo
not sure callak, like we said too earlier
For Colossus: The changes where Execute no longer give colossal might stack is weird.
ionic fern
Do you see Colossus being "meta" come 11.1? over thane
Tbf,Colossus is already doing good. You just need to know the class slightly better. I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot more Colossus in m+ comparing to now.
sharp olive
I played some Thane on PtR rage did feel better but I've never played colossal
indigo hawk
Hello everyone ! I got a question. I got a bug with the first boss of dawnbreaker. As a exemple you can see the bug at 8:30 on the video below. As you can see, battle-scarred veteran proc when his health don’t go below 30%… I got the same thing and I checked logs and I take (as full Life) 5.2m from the tank smash with 12m max hp and my veteran proc… did you have any info about that ?? 😕
jagged pier
because u took the hit unmitigated
it would have taken u below 30%
hence why bsv proc'd
indigo hawk
But normally vétéran should proc when your health go bellow 30%, after mitigated dmg no ?
jagged pier
thats not how it works
it works on the first instance of damage that takes u below 30%
the only reason yu dont drop below 30 is because the DR applies to that hit too
so taking the tank hit unmitigated will drop u below 30% so bsv applies to it
dr and all
indigo hawk
Sorry I’m not used to english in wow… DR and bsv mean ?
When I read that, it should never proc when my health is at like 50-60%
My Health is not brought below 30%
lilac basalt
DR stands for Damage Reduction and BSV for Battle Scarred Veteran.
tardy abyss
Because it would have taken you below 30% if it did not mitigate the damage
lilac basalt
A lot of times the wording of spells/talents is ambiguous at best so listen to the smart people here instead 😀
twilit trail
Why is the mitigated % 54% instead of 80%+ then?
indigo hawk
It’s really weird that veteran proc on the cast and only reduc by 53% the dmg… (i used spell reflect too so we need to add 25%)
tardy abyss
SR alone isnt necessarily enough
You always have wall and spell block up for it
You can even absorb it twice with one spell block
tardy abyss
^
jagged pier
it use to proc on unmitigated damage
tardy abyss
Think so too
By looking at the numbers the math checks out though
Taking BSV aside he would have been sub 30%
cerulean tusk
it use to proc on unmitigated damage
Still pretty sure it still does at times, same as purgatory sometimes proc on nothing as BDK when events go ham.
At least we don't go instant pop and dead
twilit trail
There was this line in the 11.0.0 patchnote, but I'm not sure I understand what it means:
Patch 11.0.0 (2024-07-23): When a damage event reduces your health below 30%, the portion of that damage event that would apply to the last 30% of your health is now also reduced by 80%.
tardy abyss
Based on the log that does not seem to happen
Which is not surprising lmao
But if that was the case it would make BSV even worse than it is now
jagged pier
no that might be right it could protion up the damage of a massive hit and just apply the DR to the bit of it which it decided took u below 30
what that note basically is saying is what i said
if something will bring u too below 30% bsv is applied to that damage too
because it didnt before
so u could go from 31% to 0
even tho the talent was so broken it often just proced at 100% to normal damage
because it applied pre mitigation
indigo hawk
I mean, there is no Logic to applie pré mitigation… I don’t care to survive to a spell that I will mitigate
indigo hawk
Yeah it seem that you are right... it make me sad that it work like that but thank you 🙂
tardy abyss
I mean, there is no Logic to applie pré mitigation… I don’t care to survive to a...
Well, one big reason some here dislike that talent
tardy abyss
no that might be right it could protion up the damage of a massive hit and just ...
Oh yeah now I get it
Its just hard to notice from the log because the damage that BSV absorbs is so minimal
jagged pier
im not saying thats how it works
i have no clue i dont pay bsv any mind because i dont use it
indigo hawk
Probably he is not the best talent ever but 44/50 of the best warrior prot use it, I think there is a good reason
cerulean tusk
It is a neat little safety blanket
and when your death = dead key
you wrap that around yourself
fluid gorge
What do you think of the editing of protection 11.1?
indigo hawk
and when your death = dead key
Yeah I think this talent saved me a lot of key so I will keep it
ionic fern
What do you think of the editing of protection 11.1?
Horrible.
Makes everything worse compared to now.
jagged pier
What do you think of the editing of protection 11.1?
it is a change of all time
fluid gorge
I think it's a shame, I liked my Protection Warri
sharp gale
Tbh I don’t really understand their strat to fix the problem they want to fix
I don’t know why they didn’t nerf rage step by step down from thane perspective until satisfied
ionic fern
I think it's a shame, I liked my Protection Warri
That's the general feeling. No idea for who they made this change.
ionic fern
I don’t know why they didn’t nerf rage step by step down from thane perspective ...
Lack of information about the root cause.
lilac basalt
It’s more like lack of willingness to learn about the root cause imo. There’s plenty of info.
I assume they have at least as much data as we can see on warcraftlogs.
They just have to look for and into it.
sharp gale
I’m always giving the benefit of doubt and saying I don’t have the vision, maybe it’s simpler to say no rage and then go up 🤷♂️
When there is almost infinite number of solution, I can’t assume mine is the correct
Like just removing ignore pain and add more leech is also a solution
jagged pier
we dont have the vision because they dont have 1
sharp gale
we dont have the vision because they dont have 1
They have one since the actual gameplay doesn’t fit it so they changed it
round pendant
More rage
sharp gale
Add BL, remove war buff 15 sec cd
sharp gale
Nah im a man of greed I want more
remote anchor
utility copers
jagged pier
🔨
sharp gale
I also want group wide spell reflect
sharp gale
I want 2 shields
lilac basalt
Maybe revenge could apply the IP. Then we could just slash around and be happy 😀
One less button to press = blizz happy
dark barn
I think blizzard will take baby steps with prot warrior until they think it works. Tomorrow maybe they drop new changes. I personally just want a devastate buff so i can press in the gap of dead gcds. Embrace the buttom bloat
tribal wharf
swords axes and such
frozen berry
Give us aoe grip hook
round pendant
AoE shield wall
sharp gale
Maybe revenge could apply the IP. Then we could just slash around and be happy �...
I did bet s2 tier set would be free revenge procs give IP lel
lilac basalt
AoE shield wall
Which would do an aoe silence and reflect some dmg
violet ginkgo
we just need mass reflect to return
vocal cave
Looks like druid tier to me
dark barn
Bear feels solid with frenzy regeration healing full life
vocal cave
Like all tank mechanics this testing were like "here have this and go stand in the corner with this"
dark barn
Monk could work too. The only 2p tier effect that feels good
Meta is good but DH is a abomination
vocal cave
I think druid will be strong this tier but balance looks to be a lock in, at least one
hearty narwhal
what do I need to drop for %2 haste in class tree?
strong forum
bsv
or what do you even mean 2% haste in class tree
endurance training if youre playing that
dark barn
bear team 
hearty narwhal
or what do you even mean 2% haste in class tree
wild strikes
strong forum
That one is must
Whatever else you have selected, drop that to get wild strikes
The 20% melee swing timer increase is more significant than you'd imagine
Endurance training is a meme
knotty pewter
Is our uptime on Battering Ram buff pretty good on ptr with the tier set?
strong forum
Tierset is currently very shit
hardy snow
Tierset is currently very shit
what a surprise... 😄
strong forum
Procs too infrequently aswell as 4pc still not granting the +50% crit chance to my knowledge
jagged pier
strong forum
And the buff itself is not long enough to get meaningful cdr on SC even with 100% crit
Cuz you are lucky if you can fit 3 shield slams into the buff window
hearty narwhal
should I change to into the fray talent? or wait for %30?
remote anchor
should I change to into the fray talent? or wait for %30?
you will find out if you dont have enough haste
rustic canopy
There are currently 17 prot wars above title cutoff and 906 prot paladins. I question the decision to nerf prot wars and leave protpals mostly unchanged in the upcoming patch.
shut summit
clear socket
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64AO7Ble5iY our CE kill :D - Prot POV ofc
jagged pier
round pendant
There are currently 17 prot wars above title cutoff and 906 prot paladins. I que...
First time?
strong forum
17 pwars above cutoff is 14 more than usual!
bronze wraith
Hey, how are the changes for prot warrior in 11.1? I hear doom and gloom, but i am curious if it is all that bad
jagged pier
i mean cutoff is always scewed because the ppl that care will mostly alwasy swap to meta just to get title
strong forum
its the biggest nerf pwar has seen since SL launch
aka, the first nerf in 3 expansions that isnt just cosmetic
bronze wraith
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148897941883584512/1330876652183...
Is it still viable?
bronze wraith
I am a 636 prot warrior now. I just hope I can still get my 2500 and AoC without getting my teeth kicked in
strong forum
ah thats turbo fine
bronze wraith
Maybe CE if I ever get there
remote anchor
you can get 3000 and ce with it
bronze wraith
Ok good
bronze wraith
I still can't do zekvir ?? For soem reason
strong forum
that is more concerning
you have 2 prios
to kill egg, and kick the heal
thats all you need to do
and eventually the boss will just die
remote anchor
dodge a bit
bronze wraith
How do you handle the slow?
strong forum
avatar, dwarf both clears it
bronze wraith
Oh shit avatar clears it?
strong forum
if you put ... forgot the name of the dude, to healer
he can also dispel it for you every now and again
jagged pier
ye but then the fight gunna take ages
jagged pier
when u can just save avatar for the ones he misses
strong forum
i did it as arms anyway
remote anchor
charge removes it as dps
strong forum
as slayer, ye
remote anchor
yea
strong forum
and avatar and bladestorm aswell
i did it at 616 arms when it was "impossible" but reflect cheesed it
burned the boss to 60% and then let reflect do the rest
jagged pier
bronze wraith
Can you reflect the slow?
strong forum
no
but i also spent a few hundred attempts at zekvir back then
until i found out that reflect worked in p2 (doesnt anymore)
then the boss died like 10 attempt later
bronze wraith
What is reflectable in p2?
strong forum
been fixed like 2 months ago
but you could reflect the orbs he sends out
for 30mil dmg each
bronze wraith
Jesus
strong forum
ye the kill took only like 3min
but go check @jagged pier or @shut summit's kill vid out on zekvir they did it post-nerf with like 580ilvl
jagged pier
and with different builds and stuff so kinda shows it can be done with whatever
pallid quiver
i got aotc on my warri with 585 ivl and 2500 with like 610
The real gate for AOTC is the other people tbh
or yourself if you can't press taunt or something i guess
bronze wraith
but go check <@179993058186625025> or <@105027920459776000>'s kill vid out on z...
Are those pinned anywhere or where can they be found
pallid quiver
Sense has a youtube channel, and Jakey has one as well, but isn't as easy to find iirc without direct looking?
https://www.youtube.com/@SenseNurfed Sense's channel is here, at least
round pendant
The real gate for AOTC is the other people tbh
80 attempts to aotc in pugs
I thought raz was bad
queen was a full on despairge I want to quit wow moment
pallid quiver
At least most pugs I join don't even get to Queen, so I can't see how bad it is most of the time
Instead most groups get gatekept on 2nd boss or Brood
round pendant
me and my friend raid lead most of it
but queen is just a complete brain check on everyone
I think we must have kicked a thousand people overall
pallid quiver
It's not a question of leading or not with the issues people have that I've seen
Like, I've seen tanks have one set of egg breaks on Brood, then they just take the boss on a walk to literally the exact opposite side of the room
And people have been yanked to eggs to break them, only to leap away instantly
pallid quiver
and this is before we get to the tanks who just legit run away in fear of the bosses
I never really thought I'd see so many legit routs in WoW
round pendant
I slacked off hard this season so my parses are awful
doesn't help that m+ was really unfun
pallid quiver
i still parse really high even with consumes and only at 620 ilvl
most m raid tanks are not beating the allegations
round pendant
I dps'd this raid tier, fuck raid tanking it's so boring
round pendant
i still parse really high even with consumes and only at 620 ilvl
I was like 612-615 when going for curve, ended up killing queen finally at 620
average 67 parse
Arms for all fury on queen
maybe I will tryhard next season
bronze wraith
queen was a full on despairge I want to quit wow moment
I am in a guild group and we have 110+ wipes this season. She is on farm now, but fuck that fight.
round pendant
I want to go back to S1 DF where I 99 parsed everything
strong forum
Git gudder
bronze wraith
I stopped caring about parses half way through the season. I cheesed dawnbreaker raid boss and got a super high parse and remembered why I didn't like it XD
pallid quiver
i'm not really sure how you go about cheesing rash unless you told the entire rest of the group to just not hit adds so you could farm more demo stacks
remote anchor
yea you hit adds and others dont
pallid quiver
then you should get better parses without doing that
Nome doesn't do that and he's normally top 10 at minimum
frozen berry
Is 3k io roughly 2 13’s and rest 12’s?
remote anchor
then you should get better parses without doing that
i mean its free extra damage
bronze wraith
i'm not really sure how you go about cheesing rash unless you told the entire re...
Build purely execute
pallid quiver
Build purely execute
but that's not even cheese
that's literally what you do on the fight
where you get to execute for like 80% of the fight
bronze wraith
I dont like sacrificing tankiness for anything. It felt cheese for me XD
I still don't get how I have purple and orange parse for everything but court and queen.
pallid quiver
It shows your highest historical parse iirc, so if it was purple and orange, it'd stay purple and orange
so where it was at during the timeframe
round pendant
Git gudder
cba
bronze wraith
Not that long ago. End of 11.05
tribal wharf
Oh shit avatar clears it?
avatar dwarf removes just about everything
not as good as cloak of shadows though, thats just completely over powered
dusk bramble
hello! is there something i can look at for the citrine slots for prot?
violet ginkgo
icyvein and wowhead should got some I think
bronze wraith
Honestly. Stats,stats, stats. Keep it nice and simple
strong forum
ye i just recommend stormbringer, fathomdweller, legendary skipper
stealth nerf to outburst btw on ptr, requires 250 rage now instead of 240
meaning over the course of a key youll get 3-5 less outburst procs
violet ginkgo
karmic plinth
250 rage for a boring outburst
strong forum
hey atleast SS outburst now does more dmg than thunderblast until 3 targets
cuz BFI and SS have been buffed
karmic plinth
that is something
urban bane
That’s something alright
round pendant
Surely they'll nerf prot paladin too right 
dark barn
The nerf of the life link in lightsmith is huge. They exploited this mechanic to cheese dmg in high keys
bronze wraith
With the cd of shield wall going to 3 minutes, would the talent reducing shield wall to 2.5 minutes and giving 2 charges be worth it?
round pendant
dunno if I want to go bear or paladin
dusky canopy
Pala is super good
dark barn
With the cd of shield wall going to 3 minutes, would the talent reducing shield ...
The other option dont generate rage anymore. Its bad.
So choose 2 charges
vocal cave
or pick neither of them 
pallid quiver
With the cd of shield wall going to 3 minutes, would the talent reducing shield ...
It's generally roughly the same CD reduction, while also giving you the option of back to back walls, after the rage changes and SW cd reduction
cyan bronze
Inshallah xephui is getting colossus support
Never playing thane again
Also playing colossus without any ui for it was monka
hollow flower
Do i want to play more mastery with the new ring?
swift elk
Maybe revenge could apply the IP. Then we could just slash around and be happy �...
I don't even think you have to go that far, if they wanted to make people think about their rotation more, then just adding a talent that lets Revenge buff your next IP feels like it would do exactly that. "Revenge increases the value of your next IP by 15%, stacks up to 3 times".
strong forum
Also playing colossus without any ui for it was monka <:okayge:91764681251973943...
yeah if only there was a UI that fully supports all things prot...
pallid quiver
yeah if only there was a UI that fully supports all things prot...
fake news, doesn't exist
wicked pollen
yeah if only there was a UI that fully supports all things prot...
hes aug brainwashed
round cliff
yeah if only there was a UI that fully supports all things prot...
u mean like luxthos warrior UI
👍
oak ivy
Luxthos is my king
round pendant
Luxth🤢s
dark barn
Luxthos is amazing
round pendant
Certainly not the adjective I would use
cyan bronze
list your grievances yam man
waxen frigate
list your grievances yam man
Luxthos packs are heavily overbloated, randomly laid out, and aesthetically ugly
I respect the work he puts in but genuinely I think the packs are terrible
round pendant
yeah, that
pallid quiver
as someone who uses a non-zero amount of them, can agree
I still like them as a base for frankensteining, though, personally
round pendant
nowadays I just rip the power bars from whatever package and make all the cd icons myself
hardy snow
after few changes it's quite fine, customization is pretty good in his pack
west snow
His walk through on how to customize it is quite helpful.
waxen frigate
after few changes it's quite fine, customization is pretty good in his pack
It just has more potential bloat and errors when it comes to that compared to just making your own
cyan bronze
Luxthos packs are heavily overbloated, randomly laid out, and aesthetically ugly
Real i never used it i just wanted to be bothersome
Shit looked ass
And i remember it used to lag the fuck out of peoples pc's at the start of the tier
hardy snow
It just has more potential bloat and errors when it comes to that compared to ju...
Im too lazy to make my own and I don't get any errors or issues 🤷♂️
cyan bronze
Im too lazy to make my own and I don't get any errors or issues 🤷♂️
why use luxthos when theres the infinitely better option
of
xephui my beloved
waxen frigate
Im too lazy to make my own and I don't get any errors or issues 🤷♂️
It’s easy and genuinely fun imo
hardy snow
It's not hard, but it's still faster to just customize to personal preference already existing solution
cyan bronze
counterpoint: whatever you say is wrong and unfunny whatever i say is right and funny
stoic pilot
it's fun and helps you learn how to make weakauras if you customize a pre-existing pack imo since you have some references to go off of
dark barn
I can literally hide my action bars in combat and only look to luxthos, the wa shows literally anything you need to know. It works.
The fact the pack shows the entire kit without missing anything is insane
waxen frigate
it's fun and helps you learn how to make weakauras if you customize a pre-existi...
its fine to learn with but after you learn i dont see why you'd continue to use it
waxen frigate
The fact the pack shows the entire kit without missing anything is insane
yeah it's awful because you don't need most of the info, especially not right in the middle of your screen
and plenty of people also play with action bars still on
which is just... lmao
dark barn
If you change the utility to show only on cooldown half of the info will hide.
waxen frigate
🤢
yes clearly i need revenge, shield slam, and thunder clap right in the middle of my screen along with an ignore pain tracker
dark barn
i changed the ignore pain icon to the bar version
much better
i play a minimalist hud without action bars in combat
waxen frigate
but like legitimately why are you displaying things like revenge and shield slam
frozen berry
Why wouldn’t you? You need to see SS resets, free revenge procs, etc
waxen frigate
i mean, do you really?
i kinda just never stop hitting shield slam
revenge procs are a meme if you're playing thane
dark barn
If i dont look to the action bars i need to know the cd of shield slam with WA
frozen berry
What’s to say you don’t press tclap instead of SS in a reset? Makes no sense to not show SS, revenge is your choice I guess if your playing thane but SS not showing is kinda dumb
waxen frigate
can also just show the proc rather than the ability itself idk
to me it's very cluttered
but i also am used to just seeing action bar glows in peripheral vision
waxen frigate
i mean yeah
stoic pilot
its fine to learn with but after you learn i dont see why you'd continue to use ...
yeah i mean it's really all preference, you customize pre-existing stuff to learn what you like and then you can build something yourself
is what I did
gets you a broader view of what you like in WAs / what you don't
round pendant
but i also am used to just seeing action bar glows in peripheral vision
I hide action bars so
kinda need that shield slam icon
mighty valley
I kinda know my ui is ass but it’s how I’ve built up my shit over twenty years so
I’m not gonna overhaul it without a big reason
placid frigate
Anyone else try to get into druid but get tired of the forms? always tend to miss my mogs
placid frigate
Yeah i find myself feeling the same way, even in Classic
mighty valley
it was kinda fun to have all these different options when the game was brand new
but yeah Druid does nothing for me now
kind urchin
I don't mind druid too much. The hero talents made it kinda more boring though.
upper spoke
hello
took a break since week 5 or 6 of the war within
been playing for 10+ years. things started to feel repetitive. any reason to play TWW for a month or two to kill some time?
unborn island
How much haste are we looking at for ITF?
strong forum
18k+
strong forum
hello
took a break since week 5 or 6 of the war within
been playing for 10+ year...
cant make up reasons for someone else to play a game beyond just to have fun, get to high ilvl, try to become better, maybe get some big overalls or high parses
upper spoke
never was into parses and max level is too easy ... yeah you're right can't make up reasons
would just want to run prot in some dungeons and see the new content
jagged pier
u dont like the new ring D:
sweet summit
ring stinks
strong forum
It ain't true 100% but close enough
With less than 18k you can and will run into block downtime during active combat
1-3seconds at a time
strong forum
It is so pointless, really
Big damooj
tardy abyss
What is the point if everyone gets more damooj 😦
strong forum
Some make more of it than others
tardy abyss
Fair ig
tardy abyss
Is the error actually that big tho
strong forum
I'm talking player skill
tardy abyss
True
strong forum
I sure as shit make more use of it than some career tank
tardy abyss
Your Sikran parse approves
unborn island
@strong forum is this with the shield charge talent too?
strong forum
ofc
cyan bronze
<@1086400517724454974> fuck you bitch
Please
unborn island
Do we have any resources for best builds for MT M+? Or is it just copy what the big boys have?
cerulean tusk
Look at the big boys, think of why they chose what they did. Decide for you based on that
young gyro
Build changes at M+ 12 ish but you can use the copy paste of the big boys.
jagged pier
build doesnt change for 12s at all
ppl just copy from the top down
the builds nome or mwahi have made on wowhead or icy
work up to at least 15s
cerulean tusk
young gyro
I was told you take BSV at 12+s. I only do 8s myself so it's just what I've heard.
jagged pier
I dont know whose telling you that but thats just incorrect
young gyro
It's been going around the ptb forums in the prot warrior nerf threads.
jagged pier
i mean see a lot of things on the forums esepically blizzard forums
that doesnt mean its correct
theres a thread there where ppl didnt even know shield block cost rage
young gyro
There was a discussion about how BSV was a cheat death. I just kind of laughed at the paladin making the claim
round pendant
Paladins never argue in good faith
jagged pier
it is both a cheat death and not a cheat death
jagged pier
but just because it is or isnt doesnt mean its just run at x lvl
if u want the safety blanket u can run it when ever u want
but theres no hard requirement on ever actually using it at all
young gyro
It's 80% dmg reduction and 100% bonus heal for 8 seconds which can save you but it's not a cheat death like cheat death, cauterize, Defy Fate or Argent defender.
onyx vessel
i mean bsv is good in pugs so you dont have to care if the groups dogshit
just solo the bosses
tardy abyss
Doesnt argent defender work similar as BSV
onyx vessel
young gyro
Honestly I normally don't run it.
unborn island
Yeah, I am rubbish so I've started taking BSV now I'm going into 13s
Mainly so when I fuck up I don't immediately splat every time
jagged pier
Doesnt argent defender work similar as BSV
well yes and no but its a 1 min cd and u get to choose when to use it
jagged pier
It's 80% dmg reduction and 100% bonus heal for 8 seconds which can save you but ...
well if the hit is gunna take u too 0 which also takes u below 30% it will save u from death
so in that sense it is a cheat death
young gyro
Paladins BSV is something something of the golden Valkyr
unborn island
Im not using BSV in 15s
You're probably not trash like me 😛
tardy abyss
Im okayish
onyx vessel
it helps when you have a 5 stack of gamers
unborn island
Yeah, I'm sure I'd be less likely to use it if I wasn't exclusively pugging
jagged pier
but usually prot warriors drop low if they do something wrong and once they drop low the troublesappened anyway so procing that is then wasted
onyx vessel
young gyro
well if the hit is gunna take u too 0 which also takes u below 30% it will save ...
I just had heard it can some times proc for too early leaving you on cd for 3 mins.
jagged pier
no it procs on an instance of damage that would take u below 30%
so if u at 100 and get hit by DB beam without mitigation
that will proc it
but only drop u down to like 80% hp
cause it applies the dr to that hit
young gyro
Got you l.
jagged pier
well thats how its supposed to work
jagged pier
it better than it used to be
in DF u could get killed from 31% without it proccing
tardy abyss
Supposedly Immovable Object now works with the 2p on PTR
young gyro
Ya I read that too sadly I was playing an evoker most of DF till the end when I swapped back to my warrior
dark barn
gonna test it now