protection

[drowsy narwhal]

i am not saying to become rich or sth, just like since when you are already playing the game, you take anything which is free, no? like i dont know, if you kill a mob, you might as well skin it

[sharp gale]

That’s why I prefer just boost the raid once a week, when I want, because at least I have fun punching the bosses

[drowsy narwhal]

it doesnt make you rich but like you already did the deed

[sharp gale]

It takes too much time for 1 silver

[jagged pier]

i mean u might be able to make 10k an hour mining and herbs but u need the profs maxed as it is

which takes time

[native ember]

i mean u can if u want but i think it was stated it doesnt matter what u choose to do none of that stuff gives u a benefit anymore like it used to like i used to get alch for the increased duration on flask but thats no the case anymore

[sharp gale]

You just multiply by the number of things you kill (can’t skin in m+, idk what would I skin tho)

[drowsy narwhal]

yeah, hence why i asked if you guys do any or not to see if there are some ones which are worth

[sharp gale]

Making gold with professions = launch of expansions

[jagged pier]

or

[sharp gale]

2x4 hyperfarms

[jagged pier]

[drowsy narwhal]

😄

lol never saw that one before

[sharp gale]

Ofc there is the cheat code for gold, I don’t think we need to mention it

[native ember]

yea i made a cpl mill from early release just selling shit that dropped and the pvp blood stones but cpl weeks after that it wasnt worth shit

[jagged pier]

i mean not gunna lie for less than an hours work to get 400k gold by swiping at one point this expansion pretty easy choice

[sharp gale]

It’s really 400k now ?

[wintry nymph]

it was at some point

[jagged pier]

it was over at one point

[wintry nymph]

i think i got like 405k

[jagged pier]

during bruto release

[native ember]

prob at 300k now

[wintry nymph]

an hour later it was back to 340

[jagged pier]

it spiked

and its always more in the eu

its like 200k in US

[wintry nymph]

yeah i was playing on that bronto release

got a nice 400k

will last me for a while

xd

[sharp gale]

200k, how much a token cost in the US

[native ember]

20

$

[jagged pier]

same price in the eu just in dollars

like its worth the same amount of money where ever u are ion the world

[drowsy narwhal]

i havent researched it yet, but if you got the skill, and most ppl do in here, boosting is by far the quickest and easiest to make gold from what i heard

[jagged pier]

yes

[drowsy narwhal]

so, if one wanted to make gold, thats probably it

i just wanted to see if there are recommended professions or not, but it seems it doesnt matter

[remote anchor]

thats how i do it

boost 4/8m on 3 characters

[drowsy narwhal]

how much does it pay? 3 characters mean in the group 3 ppl are being boosted?

[remote anchor]

4 are being boosted

[sharp gale]

The skill, it’s just having 90s parses in heroic, and then tag in a raid

[remote anchor]

not doing it anymore but it was like 400k early onper run

now its probably 100k

?

something like that

[sharp gale]

I think it is 100k now

[frail ibex]

Hey is there a discord for all tank specs or do I actually just have to have every class discord that has a tank role?

[drowsy narwhal]

what does it mean 90s parses and then tag in a raid?

[sharp gale]

On Warcraftlogs

[drowsy narwhal]

thx for the info

[sharp gale]

On boost discords, you post your logs in the raid you want to go and the raid leader pick

[drowsy narwhal]

ahhh okay, interesting, thx, didnt know, and what does parsing mean?

[sharp gale]

Parsing is trying to get the best score

Which is 100 (you are the first of your spec)

90 (you are the 10% best of your spec)

[jagged pier]

there is one its bad, u want to be in all the class discords

[frail ibex]

Sadge

[sharp gale]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/38?class=Warrior&spec=Protection
if you want to see

[drowsy narwhal]

thanks, very useful, warcraftlogs was also mentioned another time when i asked about shield uptime, i think i need to get familiar with it

[sharp gale]

It is really useful to see what exactly you do/what happens, and grind your ego

[drowsy narwhal]

how do i make use of it? do i need to create an account on their site? install an addon?

[sharp gale]

For raid you don’t really need to log yourself there is always a governement spy who is logging, but in m+ you need to log yourself

[sharp gale]

You search your character in the search bar

[drowsy narwhal]

and for m+?

[wicked pollen]

you can log keys as well

[jagged pier]

they go off score for boosting keys tbh

such a bad idea

[shy python]

What do you think? Is the Prot buff from seterday enough to bring us back in line?

[jagged pier]

its a no from me dog tho

[sharp gale]

Once you are on your character it’s on raid by default, you change in m+ on nerubar palace, and change score by damage to see keys with logs

You don’t’ need an account to see logs

[shy python]

Why is this so low on ptr? On live this sais 900k

same character. unbuffed

[drowsy narwhal]

thanks, appreciate the help

[wicked pollen]

i cant read what that says

[torn gulch]

That s ignore pain based on the 50% thing

[jagged pier]

hes saying hes pressed it once

and its 500k not 900k

[shy python]

yes

why is that?

[jagged pier]

your the third person to say this

[shy python]

So massiv stealth IP nerf?

[torn gulch]

Nope

[jagged pier]

so they could have nerfed IP instead of buffed it by accident

ive asked the bigger heads to check

[torn gulch]

They put 30 nerf instead of 30 buff

[shy python]

alright

[torn gulch]

Imagine if they actually stealth nerfed IP after buffing it by 30%

[shy python]

To be sure: the total amount of dmg should have been buffed right? the 50% dmg reduction remains the same?

[jagged pier]

yyes

i think

[shy python]

okay thanks

[sharp gale]

The initial changes

[shy python]

Yeah so the absorbed dmg should be higher than on live servers.

[shy python]

Oh wait

[vague stump]

maybe weird scaling with the gear

[shy python]

they went from total hp to ap?

[strong forum]

yeah its fucky

i get exactly 582k baseline on ptr

but on retail its 900k

[shy python]

yes

[sharp gale]

Blizzard thinks we use 2 two handed weapons

[strong forum]

11.1. PTR Bugs

• Ignore Pain currently grants ~30% less absorb instead of 30% more fixed
• Devastator only grants 1 extra rage instead of 2 rage fixed
• 4pc Tierset +50% crit chance bonus on Shield Slam doesnt work

[remote anchor]

lole

[jagged pier]

they really old yellered us

[remote anchor]

actually mega good bait

post buffs

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/eat-shit-robot-chicken-old-yeller-gif-10895187

[remote anchor]

then nerf

[native ember]

multidollar company guys

[onyx vessel]

Meanwhile dh

[strong forum]

if yall find any more bugs dont hesitate to send em

[onyx vessel]

hows the uptime on tier set i heard it was like 10%

[wicked pollen]

warrior is bad

[native ember]

yea saw a vid saying it was 11% uptime in m+

[strong forum]

tierset sucks

i went 2.5minutes without getting a single proc

and the 4pc crit chance bonus isnt working either

[jagged pier]

they have so much to fix

[lilac basalt]

At least the proc chance is easy to fix

[shy python]

How much? 2 Dollar? 3 Dollar?

[strong forum]

the buff duration needs to be doubled of the dmg buff

and well, the crit chance to be implemented in the first place

[willow edge]

Whod've thought RNG tier sets would suck so bad

Well for some specs

[strong forum]

NOBODY couldve seen this coming

[cerulean tusk]

11% on 40% DR, is about what 3% total dam reduction - same as all tiersets? >:)

[strong forum]

its not 11% on 40% DR

its 11% of the dmg buff

[willow edge]

Give me "X ability does y% more damage" flat over whatever the hell this is supposed to be

[cerulean tusk]

So what is the uptime on wall

[strong forum]

like 2%?

[willow edge]

Bring back the shield slam cleave while last standing, loved that tier set in DF

[strong forum]

that was atleast predictable and guaranteed value

[cerulean tusk]

They wont do that, all we can hope for is that they 5x the proc rate atm it seems :v

[willow edge]

Yeah and made you use a ability that is pretty undervalued lol

[strong forum]

the tierset should apply on pressing shield charge + make every SS grant the CDR on SC but 3sec

and voila

you got a good tierset

[cerulean tusk]

Shieldwall granted when you shieldcharge :O

[strong forum]

yes

[willow edge]

Considering every tank has a 45 second cd defensive, they could tie it to each one of those

Well 45 second cd at least

[cerulean tusk]

To be fair, it is supposed to be gamga

[willow edge]

Its on theme

[strong forum]

yeah the gamba part is you getting SS resets

[willow edge]

And I hate it

[cerulean tusk]

So maybe it is just suposed to be bad

and we tuned around it

[strong forum]

no

tiersets are never supposed to be bad

[willow edge]

How many people actually like goblins lol

[cerulean tusk]

This one got super high roll tho, imagine free shieldwall on that ability that was going to kill you

[willow edge]

I hope tier sets are so bad we rather just full wear items that have better stat itemisation

[cerulean tusk]

I am sure that is going to happen once or twice a season

worth the tierset, for sure

cause you are sure to notice

and go "wow"

"worth"

[willow edge]

Yeah that total rng proc saved me

[strong forum]

tiersets are a way to (usually) shake up the class a bit each season without requiring reworks or buffs/nerfs

but uhm

blizz is still giving shaman its 3rd rework of the expansion

[willow edge]

Yeah but all of the upcoming ones just look shit imo

[strong forum]

in 2 tiers

[willow edge]

Warrior largely unchanged, except nerfs

Gotta get them nerfs in

[strong forum]

such is the life of warrior

you must be new here

the typical pipeline for warrior is like this:

[willow edge]

Started in the worst expac

Been following game longer than that lol

Shadowlands

Man I miss execute above 70% health

[strong forum]

• have strong beta
• get nerfed on beta
• get hard nerfed on launch
• get smol aura buff at end of tier 1
• remain unchanged until end of xpac

thats usually the expansion cycle of warrior

[willow edge]

Literally the formula

[strong forum]

every warrior spec

[cerulean tusk]

Warrior, be it DPS or tank, is always nerfed. Then gradually fixed to relevance by the end season, only to be fixed in beta. Then nerfed week 1

[willow edge]

Good for season 1, get fucked in season 2. Maybe okay in season 3/4

[strong forum]

dps more than prot even

[cerulean tusk]

Remember when Fury did great AoE burst that was relevant for M+? I remember

[willow edge]

Yeah I like arms but it does feel shit to play outside of leaping out of ara kara boss pull in at the last second

Which is every war spec, not a arms thing

[cerulean tusk]

They could help prot a lot with simply adding spell reflects tho

If they wanted to

[willow edge]

Im prob just playing my frost mage/shadow priest until they unfuck the spec

Shadow priest seemingly gets buffed/nerfed every week

And mage is usually top end

[cerulean tusk]

Well, at least you can be happy about this:
Warrior is always balanced around to be mid

so we are mid

nothing more

nothing less

If we become less than mid, we usually get a 3% aura buff

[willow edge]

Truly the class is saved

[cerulean tusk]

It is the only form of comfort we got

[willow edge]

You cannot convince me otherwise that most of blizzard must be paladin mains

[cerulean tusk]

It is likely, but that is neither here or there, that simply is what it is

[willow edge]

Yep

[cerulean tusk]

At least we get to be bottom scrapers that always are viable and fine

Some specs aren't even allowed that

[wicked pollen]

i have news

[cerulean tusk]

Better be about a OF buff

😠

[wicked pollen]

no

[cerulean tusk]

mods, ban this pinger

:(

[wicked pollen]

of nerf

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-fall-and-back-gif-25193110

[shy python]

Not in BfA. There we started with insane nerf cause Charge and IP where on GCD. This got reverted.

[tribal wharf]

as long as i never have to hit devestate again

[cerulean tusk]

Real

[strong forum]

cuz the great on-gcd apocalypse was fucking stupid

who knew

[jagged pier]

those changes were made in the same vain as these

[cerulean tusk]

Well, at least Col works on PTR on 5t dummies - never a dead GCD and I can keep up SB

but, I pressed IP not once

and it was barely enough rage

[strong forum]

[cerulean tusk]

ST I got dead GCDs, so chargeweave is back? >:)

Boy o boy is execute a trap button atm

Hey they fixed the Rev vs IP question, by removing IP

proud of em

[sharp gale]

Hopefully Blizzard acknowledge prot exist, for one time I wish I was in brew mindset

[final spoke]

On the PTR, why is it that felscarred works with the tierset but immovable object doesnt, like it doenst make sense that we got a dead talent ;/

[sharp gale]

Brew : 5 patch in a row not even an entry with your name in it

[frigid valley]

as a brew main i can relate.
nothing better than that one time in s3 DF we got nerfed while being deadlast beacuse 1 clip from kequinox

[sharp gale]

I witness my friend who hard push as brew, his mind shatters each bluepost

[frigid valley]

https://tenor.com/view/maybe-next-year-benedict-townsend-youtuber-news-another-time-next-time-gif-17861001

[true cliff]

Living through enfeeble if it doesn’t get kicked. Especially if avatar is down.

[jagged pier]

so u save avatar

he really only misses very rarely

so u just save avatar

enfeeble at like 630+ should be easily livable now i would have thought

[true cliff]

It hurts so bad if avatar Is down and he misses the kick

I could also just be really bad at the fight 🫠

It feels a little luck based too. When I’m trying to burst the eggs down but also dodging the slam and fear while he’s on top of the egg can be tricky too.

I’m sure with more practice I’ll get it.

I appreciate all the advice 😊

[round pendant]

"Bloodsurge has had its chance to trigger increased significantly and generates 5 Rage (was 3)."

Oh they reverted that nerf and buffed it instead?

[violet ginkgo]

Will we ever break off from this cycle?

[median iris]

No, just reverted the nerf. Were it a buff it would have gone higher than 5 rage

[round pendant]

They increased the proc chance

Presumably to above the old 10% or whatever it was

[toxic pewter]

what kind of nerfs prot pala lookin at

havent been paying attention much

[violet ginkgo]

isn't old one is 15%?

[toxic pewter]

its a buff, they increased its proc rate supposedly

[median iris]

I stand corrected then gents, my apologies

[toxic pewter]

they claim signifigant increase but

for some reason I have doubts

[median iris]

I’m just curious how prot is gonna play out. My friends asked me to play prot over blood dk for m+, so I’m curious how badly I’m getting screwed in dungeons

[jagged pier]

pretty screwed if nothing changes

well depends on how high u go

[median iris]

Aim is 3k, reality way lower

[jagged pier]

youll be fine, it just a question of will u enjoy playing it and that is subjective

but for alot of us here the will go or disppear next patch

[mighty valley]

there might be more buffs coming, their intent isn’t to nerf it, but i have less faith that it won’t play like ass

well, compare to what we got used to, it is subjective

[median iris]

Bro I played arms in m+ in s1 I know how bad playstyle feels

[round pendant]

They could literally just buff revenge to make it more worth pressing

and maybe make IP cost a bit more rage (for more reward)

and APM would drop by like 30

[mighty valley]

where do you want revenge to land in the prio

[round pendant]

idk I didn't think that far ahead

[median iris]

Above shieldblock ideally. I’m spiteful so it would be very fitting

[round pendant]

But their goal is less APM

they didn't really have to touch shield slam procs for that

[mighty valley]

we’ll still press revenge whenever we’re allowed to

[karmic plinth]

biggest """issue""" imo is burst of power

yea give the hero talent that already can spam its builders to spam them more

[mighty valley]

yeah it’s kind of a bonkers talent

give it to colossus imo

not that it’d be more balanced, colossus should just be cooler

[urban portal]

yeah revenge definitely need a bit of prio

somehwere

revenge>TC for colossus imo

[oblique garnet]

Wont that be boring tho

[mighty valley]

you kinda already do this in some aoe situations

but I dunno if we can afford to give up scraps of rage in the new world

[round pendant]

apm =/= fun imo

especially when a big chunk of the apm is just pressing IP lol

[mighty valley]

i get stressed out when a spec isn’t GCD locked

i can take or leave the constant off-gcd casts, don’t mind if they manage to tune that down a little

[urban portal]

yeah i agree in this case

a lot of prot war APM is un ncessary

i think they couldve just upped the potency of revenge/IP and upping the rage by the same amount

and should be fine

i dont thinking sending IP into the void is a good game design

[mighty valley]

they did increase IP value per cast by a lot

[round pendant]

Revenge needs to be stronger if they're nerfing SS procs

imo

[urban portal]

yea

it says something when we just completely ignore the free revenge proc these days

[mighty valley]

idk, if they truly want to make rage spending a thoughtful decision, they have to remove all the power we get just for spending rage on Literally Whatever and rethink how that all works

but that’s way too big of a scope for a patch this size

[round pendant]

But then again it's so minor that IP is kinda lame game design and most people enjoy prot warrior regardless

so why did they feel the need to gut the spec

[mighty valley]

idk that we have data that says “most people enjoy prot warrior”

there aren’t that many people who play it when it’s not top 1-2 tank

[round pendant]

Heard very few complaints about it

Unlike basically every other tank

Usually complaints are about viability though I guess

[urban portal]

the general perception of it is pretty mid

[limpid ruin]

I’ve heard mixed things. Some people like the speed but it’s a very very basic spec which some people find boring after any amount of time

[urban portal]

how we melt to magic damage

[round pendant]

yknow a spec that needs apm reduction?

[mighty valley]

yeah, people don’t understand how to play it at first, and then when you do it’s very straightforward, just fast

[round pendant]

Outlaw

[mighty valley]

which some like and some don’t

[limpid ruin]

At the end of the day you can explain the spec in like 6 words. I have to take patches off from it or I’ll lose my mind

[round pendant]

I'm biased with pwar ig

super comfy, performs good, spell reflect owns

can yap on voice chat with my buds

Tried bdk and it felt like a clunky mess

and I hate paladin tank with holy power, bring back legion ppal

Druid has the same issue that warrior has except it's even worse

[limpid ruin]

I feel you on bdk. I had to spin one up in like 1.5 weeks and hated every moment of it

[round pendant]

ironfur spam

[urban bane]

I think you just dont like spammy specs, which is fine. But i dont think that represents a lot of people

[limpid ruin]

@plush tendon bdk bad btw bad on the inside

[sharp gale]

I might play some bear soon, can I close my eyes and imagine ironfur is ignore pain ?

[round pendant]

wdym out of those I like prot war and bear the most lol

[round pendant]

Eh I wouldn't say so

You want to maintain as little ironfur as possible to live, the problem is that it only lasts like 6 seconds

[sharp gale]

Oh i thought Iron fur was a rage dump too

[urban bane]

because you've said apm is not equal to fun and you said you wanted to reduce the apm of outlaw

:V

I mean it isnt rocket science to conclude that you don't like spamming

[kind urchin]

It's still a nerf. On live it's all bleeds. On ptr it's only deep wounds.

[sharp gale]

But do you have to actively care ?

[urban bane]

but i'd be willing to bet the reason outlaws like the spec is the fast pace

[round pendant]

apm has very little relevance to my enjoyment for the most part

but outlaw is just like

high apm and high cognitive load

brain fried

[urban bane]

so it isnt for you and that's fine

[round pendant]

the gcd reduction + pressing the wrong thing once = 0dps

[urban bane]

not every thing has to appeal to all people

[round pendant]

Where did I say that

[urban bane]

in saying that it needs to have apm reduction?

[round pendant]

I simply shared my opinion that warrior is fine where it is, if anything needed an APM reduction it's outlaw

I shouldn't need to clarify IMO on every message I send

You're arguing with me for no reason

[sharp gale]

When I played rogue (in bfa) I preferred sin over outlaw I don’t like the gamba if it is still there

[urban bane]

If you share your opinion in a public space people will engage with it

[round pendant]

My problem isn't you engaging with it, it's you putting words in my mouth

[round pendant]

Yeah you kinda need to make sure you maintain it properly, if you spend rage on ironfur when you don't need to instead of raze/etc it's just a waste of rage

[urban bane]

Got it. Sorry, don't think the conversation is probably gonna go anywhere useful at this point. I clearly misunderstood your point.

[urban portal]

nah you actually have to think about ironfur

pooling rage to get multiple stack of fur rolling is a good skill

[urban portal]

tbh idk about that

rogues have 2 low apm specs

you can have 1 with high apm

[cerulean tusk]

Why you talking about rage pooling, when warrior on the PTR cant pool rage? ._.

[round pendant]

It's fine I just never meant to imply that rogue being high apm is objectively bad, just that I can see more of a reason for reducing it than prot warrior (since prot warrior's rotation is very low cognitive load)

[round pendant]

honestly assassination being low apm technically is deceptive af

It's technically low apm but it feels fuckin nuts

idk what it is about that spec

[sharp gale]

The opener in AoE

[round pendant]

but I'm just warrior brained

Rogue is super hard to play

Sucks because I love all the utility and shmovement

[urban portal]

i dont find outlaw to be very hard

sub and ass has a lot of nuance

outlaw is hekili simulator

[round pendant]

well it's easy if you use hekili

that's the spec it was designed for after all

It's very easy to press the wrong thing in 0.4s unless you've literally put in hundreds of hours playing it though

and it completely bricks the rotation

That's just how I feel about it tho and I'm probably just brain damaged

[plush tendon]

[kind urchin]

Pooling rage? My bear on live is swimming in rage.

[urban portal]

better than sending ip into the void

[sharp gale]

Yeah IP is like dots on boomie, it’s there to have buttons to press

I did few keys as dps druid there are 2 dots just so you don’t have only 4 buttons on your bars

[cerulean tusk]

Can I just be allowed to say this

Coll pwarr on PTR

feels worse than on live

I said my piece

[cyan bronze]

FUCK

i was hoping it was secretly going to be fine

[violet ginkgo]

but there is bug too right? like in the pinned post. or even excluding the bug that will be bad?

[jagged pier]

that bug has nothing to do with the play style

just IP is smaller

now

[kind urchin]

I know this is gonna sound crazy, but hear me out. What if they made it so we generate a set amount of rage while in combat. Make shield slam and thunderclap cost rage, revenge and shield block are free, revenge! procs just increase the damage of the next cast of revenge since it's already free. Charge and Booming voice still give immediate rage so we can have some to start up the rotation. Strategist procs make your next shield slam cost no rage. And maybe have a short cooldown that can increase your rage generation for a short time, or maybe they could roll that into Avatar. Just some random thoughts. Surely it would be better than what they're giving us on the ptr right now.

[urban portal]

is this supposed to be a reference or something

[iron sphinx]

I know this is gonna sound crazy, but hear me out. What if they made it so we generate a set amount of rage while in combat. Make shield slam and thunderclap cost rage, revenge and shield block are free, revenge! procs just increase the damage of the next cast of revenge since it's already free. Charge and Booming voice still give immediate rage so we can have some to start up the rotation. Strategist procs make your next shield slam cost no rage. And maybe have a short cooldown that can increase your rage generation for a short time, or maybe they could roll that into Avatar. Just some random thoughts. Surely it would be better than what they're giving us on the ptr right now.

what if protection became healing spec, and we use bandages to heal instead of tank

[sharp gale]

So basically rage is energy ?

Or is it too a weird Reddit post

[kind urchin]

Well, they haven't been able to successfully balance rage generation for 20 years and they've tried a lot of other shit that didn't work and they keep going back and forth on rage surplus and rage starvation so maybe it needs to be a set amount.

And no that wasn't a Reddit post. I just typed that.

[mighty valley]

you’d need to rework a billion other abilities and talents to just try out a totally new model

[sharp gale]

I think the best way to fix the issue you think prot have, is just remove rage and just do charges like pal

The best as the easiest

[kind urchin]

Pally's still a builder spender. It's just that their resource is 5 instead of 100.

[sharp gale]

But they don’t have ignore pain

[kind urchin]

yeah, they only have 2 spenders, 1 you only use when you have a free proc and the other has defensive and offensive value.

So basically they only have 1 spender that you ever use resources on.

[cyan bronze]

man

maybe im bad at math

but 1.3/.7

I love getting almost half of the ip intended

[round pendant]

wat

[round pendant]

wow that sounds terrible

[cyan bronze]

you get 30% less ip

instead of 30% more

on ptr

meaning you’re getting roughly half of what you should be getting per ip press

[round pendant]

yeah it's 46.15% less than intended

(0.7 - 1.3) / 1.3 * 100

quick maffs

[ashen kestrel]

skarmarok shard or agression module? which one we taking?

[kind urchin]

Shard

[ashen kestrel]

Thought as much just wanted to double check, thanks!

[cyan bronze]

yea cbf doing math

.7 x2 is 1.4

[sharp gale]

How you can have a number under 100% when just not having the 30% buff is already 100% less then intended

[round pendant]

what

imagine IP gives 100k absorb

it's supposed to give 130k

instead you get 70k

[remote anchor]

dont say 60

[sharp gale]

How I thought we were talking about the buff itself not the total amount

Like by how many % they missed their intent

[urban bane]

empty globals

[cyan bronze]

have u guys played priory yet

[violet ginkgo]

Rather than priory I’d like to heard some report about darkflame cleft.

[small steeple]

what was the haste break point to swap from heavy reprucssion to into the fray (m+)

[wicked pollen]

18-20k 36-40%

[dusky canopy]

[cyan bronze]

im curious if anyone’s tried to drag mini away from first boss

or you can feign death and pull separately cus they’re on separate respawn timers

[strong forum]

1.5mil overall with 628 on alt war

neat

[dusky canopy]

[wicked pollen]

wtf

how

[mystic yoke]

anyone have the plater profile addon for nameplate colours when elementals are tanking?

[pallid quiver]

Colo and pulling in reasonable amounts

[cerulean tusk]

I only do 1.5mill as DPS :(

[dusky canopy]

Colo pumps

[pallid quiver]

also high enough key level

lower keys, things will just die before your CDs even finish so you spend more of your time in RP as compared to actually hitting things

[cerulean tusk]

Nome deleting my DPS with that 1.5m

[pallid quiver]

I don't think I'll breach even that high on any DPS spec I ever play

[cerulean tusk]

This be why we tank, work smarter not harder

[pallid quiver]

the tanks i always end up with do things like:

• Pull a boss and then instantly run away in fear
• Refuse to pull mobs until they're CC'd so you're fighting literally one mob at a time
• Fold if there's even a sneeze of damage at them

[wicked pollen]

maybe i iust dont pull big on colo

[pallid quiver]

I've had multiple BDKs whose highest healing done was blood plague

[cerulean tusk]

Warrior can gigapull quite consitently, if ppl help

As we bricks

[strong forum]

pressing revenge

[cerulean tusk]

If ppl dont interupt tho, it is over

[strong forum]

and just not wiping

[pallid quiver]

Everytime you press revenge as colo, number go up

[cerulean tusk]

That is active or overall?

[wicked pollen]

i think i tend to pull smaller because of kicks

[strong forum]

thats overall

its 1.69billion total damage my guy

[cerulean tusk]

Hm, let me reformulate

[obsidian girder]

This

[cerulean tusk]

is it active in combat only counting, or the whole dung divided by timer

[strong forum]

its details

details doesnt count downtime

[cerulean tusk]

So what did you set it to?

Aight, so you got only in combat time

got ya

Still really solid tho, ngl

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, shorthand, Overall refers to Details Overall, which excludes downtime

Log DPS is usually just referred to as in logs

Which does count downtime

[cerulean tusk]

I got details set to both :P

As I like spotting both active combat and overall key

[strong forum]

i dont cuz it tells you nothing to have current overall shown

[cerulean tusk]

I just like seeing if I improve key to key, more datapoints for this moraleboost the better. As the details default is always so very scuffed based on how tank pulls

[strong forum]

[cerulean tusk]

Useful? Meh, arguable. Just personal preference

Oh, and logs dont show highest total done - it shows highest based on parse

[pallid quiver]

you can look at every log you've done

and you can, like, look at the numbers

you should even be able to sort them by damage done

[cerulean tusk]

Ye - I did

and suddenly I did a lot more than 1.5 :p

but that is beyond the point - I prefer the world where nome beats me with tank dps

so I can complain

[pallid quiver]

just throw

[strong forum]

[cerulean tusk]

(as dps, dont worry love)

[dusky canopy]

Mage might need to re consider name

[strong forum]

hes 590

[dusky canopy]

Ahhhh

Then he pumped

I should have known you play with friends duh

[cerulean tusk]

Nome eating his pad DPS ;-; Mage would normally do a lot more

[dusky canopy]

True true

[cerulean tusk]

I would never do that to a friend, smh

[pallid quiver]

meanwhile, considering playing frost on my mage to outdps a friend who mains frost mage:

[wicked pollen]

nome where you just playing standard colo

[strong forum]

always

[sharp olive]

Anyone selling PtR copium?

Any testers and their feedback?

[pallid quiver]

It's technically worse than they say it is in patch notes

#protection message

[cerulean tusk]

Tested, it still quite bad. Col is very healer dependant as you press IP once every new moon. Will it be able to tank, sure - will it be fine, probably. "balanced", after another buff or two, hopefully some passive defenseivness given.
More fun? Nah, it still plays so much worse than live

[mighty valley]

What happened to Keep The Faith

[cerulean tusk]

It will be fine, don't worry! This is just the first pass of many!

[heavy sparrow]

#1 on Moon Guard for warrior apparently

[lusty grotto]

when did you return

😮

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/mysterio-im-out-bye-see-you-spiderman-gif-16390794

[lusty grotto]

im not back yet

i was never here

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-3584473422170938815

[cerulean tusk]

[sharp olive]

I've very much prefer warrior over other tanks so here hopes

[urban bane]

man playing prot now just makes me feel sad about what we're gonna lose

[cerulean tusk]

Trust in the bluepost, this was the first pass to make things right. So more is to come that will in the end help make this new echonomy feel just as good, if not better!

[tardy abyss]

You're overdosing on copium

[cerulean tusk]

Trust in the devs, it is a new expansion

[formal geyser]

I tried tanking last night on PTR and the rage change sucks

[cerulean tusk]

Ye it still real bad. So it can only get better

[pallid quiver]

no it can definitely get worse

I assure you it could get worse

[cerulean tusk]

doomers, go touch grass, trust the system, shame on you

[pallid quiver]

I'm not even dooming, that's just a statement of fact

Prot War has been in worse states before, to the point it barely functioned in content

[cerulean tusk]

Then state the other side of the coin, hmm?

[pallid quiver]

With these changes, even the nerfs, the spec still functions fine

It feels like shit, but we still have 100% block uptime

And just because something's bad, doesn't mean it couldn't be worse

[cerulean tusk]

Just state the other side of the coin

[pallid quiver]

That's not dooming; that's literally stating factual statements

[jagged gust]

See, that first part of the sentence is the part we're all actually frustrated with

[pallid quiver]

We're not like Prot War around WotLK/Cata timeframe, where it was drastically outpaced by other tanks, especially DK in Cata

[cerulean tusk]

So would you say it is unlikely to get worse?

[pallid quiver]

Literally no one can say

Blizz can always just decide to shoot a spec

Look at Demonology in WoD

[cerulean tusk]

Aight, you just wanna be difficult, or you doomer minded

[pallid quiver]

this isn't a doomer mindset at all

[cerulean tusk]

I find it far more likely to be improved upon, not the opposite

[pallid quiver]

You're just being crippling optimistic and contrarian for no reason

[cerulean tusk]

Well, you conraired me this time around

Just accept that is more likely to become better, not worse Spread the hope!

[pallid quiver]

I could say it's entirely possible for 1 million dollars to be gifted to me by Bezos. It's possible; he could totally dig me. But I lack any kind of relevant info to make that decision

[jagged gust]

did someone say conair?

https://tenor.com/view/nicholas-cage-fabulous-gif-5425947

[pallid quiver]

Honestly, it technically is more likely to be worse based on past trends of everything in WoW's history

[cerulean tusk]

[pallid quiver]

When they hit something, they traditionally intend or botch something and make it worse

That doesn't sound right with current trends, but I have zero information to coroborate that. It'd just be pure copium and me wanting to be happy

[cerulean tusk]

You have a severe lack of faith, my foggy minded friend. Ya must trust in the devs trying their best to make the experience better, not worse

[pallid quiver]

There's no reason to expect them to make it better or worse.

It could be better, it could be worse,

They could literally do nothing.

[cerulean tusk]

Well, they stated they wanted it better - and it has improved a bit

[pallid quiver]

Unless you work at Blizz or have friends who work there,

[cerulean tusk]

More is likely to come

[pallid quiver]

Just give your feedback and wait

don't over hope, don't hate

[cerulean tusk]

If people want one or the other, I rather spread hope, it is better for their lives

[cyan bronze]

it did

[pallid quiver]

an definitely don't try to abuse other people for your own moral grandstanding

[cyan bronze]

we found out our ip is like 1/2 what it should be on ptr

[pallid quiver]

no i'm accounting for that

[ionic fern]

The issue is that they don't necessarily play the game. The reasoning they provide and the changes they do do not match,.

[cerulean tusk]

Tsk tsk tsk, we just lack the vision that they have for the spec

We need to keep hands together and keep faith!

They will not lead us astray!

[cyan bronze]

They want to glad treatment us

Our spec will be gutted beyond your human comprehension 🔮

[cerulean tusk]

What a doomer Diva

smh

[pallid quiver]

see that's dooming

[cyan bronze]

I’m a master class coper

[cerulean tusk]

Diva dooming so hard, that Lue almost seems neutral

almost

[cyan bronze]

It’s fine tho

We will be the meta tank in 11.1.5*

[cerulean tusk]

Even I couldnt spread that lie

[pallid quiver]

once we get the aura buffs to high hell

[cyan bronze]

When they gut us so bad that they have to rework us

And we all know reworked specs are broken

[strong forum]

Idc about meta, just don't play like dogshit

[pallid quiver]

"rework"

[strong forum]

Ty

[cyan bronze]

That’s the only way out at this point

[pallid quiver]

sorry, gotta give shamans their 4th

[cerulean tusk]

Heard Rshammy is falling off, time for that rework

[cyan bronze]

Warriors spec trees are the only ones left to get a rework I think?

[pallid quiver]

I feel so sorry for Wordup

[cyan bronze]

think everyone else has gotten a sizable rework from base df tree

[jagged gust]

shammys seem to be dooming in general for some reason

[cyan bronze]

actually

[jagged gust]

holy hell that's like 3 times in a row I've replied to the wrong post

[cyan bronze]

idt ww has gotten one

[pallid quiver]

Playstyle is changing and their spammable generator button in PTR that did 3m a pop got nerfed

so the average player is butthurt

[cyan bronze]

honestly

i do not blame enhances for being very angy

the playstyle they had was rather popular & well liked, no?

[pallid quiver]

more by the people new to enhance

who never played it before

[cyan bronze]

most shamans I’ve talked to dislike the new playstyle

[cyan bronze]

True maybe

[pallid quiver]

I like current less and new more

[cyan bronze]

they’re also being pushed to play totemic

[pallid quiver]

It's more like late DF Enha

[cyan bronze]

and totemic seems very jank.

fwiw shaman is like

the 1 class I know the least about

[pallid quiver]

Totemic has been overhauled multiple times

[frigid valley]

Holy shit i laughed way to hard at this

[pallid quiver]

Mostly the only issue is that you have to babysit the totem, but they're making it so you get a free totemic recall for surging totem specifically

Currently, for Lash focused builds on PTR, it's not particularly offensive

It is, however, funny that your highest damage is generally windfury weapon tho

[jagged gust]

I'm a fan of a bit of skill expression through totems

[pallid quiver]

Unsure if the changes with LL nerfs have adjusted much of what I mentioned, though,

so who knows, maybe stormstrike spam is back on the menu

[timber nest]

is there a trick to getting anub on silken to move quicker on the pull?

[north atlas]

Leap on skinny and taunt?

[kind urchin]

For what it's worth I recommend never leaping to initiate combat.

[pallid quiver]

I'm wagering he means charge to Anub, then leap over with a taunt, but I'd still just go to the tall one and taunt anub in that case

[north atlas]

Charge skinny taunt

I should mvr type without 4 coffes in me

[onyx vessel]

Bring a monk tank

50% ms on taunt

[cyan bronze]

That works on the boss?

[onyx vessel]

Idk if it does anymore

But it's not hard to move anub as fast as dps want you too yeah its moved too slow

[round cliff]

it's a talent

[onyx vessel]

I wouldn't take it most of the time

[violet ginkgo]

Ummm not exactly, well it got a few tweak of course but not full overhaul yet like MM hunter.

Fury: no longer got annihilator so they have to re-arrange things around.
Prot: no changes.
Arms: I think.. arms also got mini changes too talent moved around.

[iron atlas]

Are there any good videos/tutorials on big pulls like SV or NW? I seem to have issues getting IP up and getting spanked from behind while pulling 😢

[sweet summit]

yoda has nw 1st pull at least

[sweet summit]

https://youtu.be/wHAJJTxSQH4?si=5ntrMSxYAUsfIWJO

[cyan bronze]

did you read my message

[wicked pollen]

did you read my message

[long kayak]

do you think ceasless swarmgland procs will proc cyrce's gems?

would be cool if it did since it procs nonstop

[jagged pier]

no

[cyan bronze]

Never

[vocal cave]

anyone tried warrior on yesterday ptr testing?

[cyan bronze]

no point imo

til ip value is fixed

[tardy abyss]

^

[cyan bronze]

like

it’s so insanely bad

~1/2 ip value atm

of intended

70% of live

with less casts

[remote anchor]

dratnose did

[cyan bronze]

o

and our tier is like borderline nonfunctional

for colossus at least

[vocal cave]

his opinion?

[cyan bronze]

dratnos please tell me my class is ok

[tribal wharf]

i want it to be noted if it devolves to yogi doom again

i already have an ai doom song ready

next step is i go on ebay and buy all the official games big box and then the books about it

[median kayak]

best citrine gems for offensive or defensive playstyle ? can someone help me ?

[waxen frigate]

guide has a breakdown on the gems

[brittle moon]

Heyhey, is there a tank class which get no backshot dmg? Like pala or warri have maybe 300 degree angle around their playermodel where they can block parry or whatever. But is there a Tank outside which can also tank back hits? With 360 degree parry and block angle?

[karmic plinth]

no

[tribal wharf]

nope

all is 180

[brittle moon]

Alright ty 🙂

[karmic plinth]

no class can dodge / block / parry etc from behind

[tribal wharf]

parry and block and shiz are all extremely AB testing and it piss me off

[karmic plinth]

someth like bear is less affected by it but u can always be crit from behind

[brittle moon]

Ah okay 180. idk that

[tribal wharf]

180 + 180 = 360 aka 360 degrees is a total circle revolution

[brittle moon]

How do you mean that? What means ab testing?

[tribal wharf]

so, the 180 infront of you gets blocks parries, the 180 behind DOESNT

[brittle moon]

Yeah

[tribal wharf]

AB testing as in, it is, or it isn't

binary

[brittle moon]

Ah okay, got it

Yeah i have often problems while tanking for example nw when adds spawn and they dont aline with my front 180

Thats kinda anoying

[cyan bronze]

closest you can get is going to be bear

[brittle moon]

Why bear?

[cyan bronze]

as they should have the lowest mit from dodge parry block

it’s still significant

but it’s the least

[tribal wharf]

i feel like, druid should have like, 1%, maybe 3% chance of parry

cuz its they shift into bear and swiping, so dont really have a weapon, just bone and claws

[karmic plinth]

they dont parry

they have dodge though

its quite minimal

[tribal wharf]

i feel like they should dodge alot of crap is what i mean ya

[karmic plinth]

yea i just mean as in

dodge isnt as important to their playstyle as parry is to ours

[tribal wharf]

i think it should be a playstyle thing, or could be

druid is a very natural wild thing, so it makes sense to me

[cyan bronze]

its minimal but still bad to take backshots

iirc it’s ~20% ish dodge?

[karmic plinth]

mine has 21 rn and i know it scales on crit and agi

dodge just a smaller part of the puzzle

[cyan bronze]

Yah 20% is the smallest out of any tank but also

20% melee avoidance~20% dr on pure melee swings

[narrow jay]

So I saw on a lot of sites and it shows vers as the top secondary stat? What happened to haste and crit? I run like 28% crit tons of dodge the rest haste. I think with vers flask I'm like 5% vers or less lol but I have zero issues tanking any keys is this heavy vers stacking for like 14+ keys?

[strong forum]

No it's feelycraft mostly

A lot of people are of the believe that vers is more advantageous than other stats when it comes to tanking

[cyan bronze]

@strong forum in relation to that statement, be careful when on certain medication & eating grapefruit! The grapefruit can cause bad reactions to medications

[strong forum]

I've never heard of that in my life

[cyan bronze]

You can die from it rather easily if you eat a lot of grapefruit and are on those medications

[strong forum]

Sounds like a very specific thing

[cyan bronze]

It’s blood related medications

[strong forum]

Only for people who eat a lot of grapefruits

And need blood related medication

[cyan bronze]

I just want you to be safe.

[strong forum]

Riiight

I mightve not understood the joke

Just maybe

[toxic pewter]

brb guys goin to whole foods to stand guard against the grapefruits

making a warning sign right now

🤣

[cyan bronze]

Divine intervention told me you needed that advice

[strong forum]

[cyan bronze]

if it helps you feel more safe i can send you a list of all medications that interact with it

[strong forum]

You're weird

Or threatening me

Could be both

"you're cool, don't go to vegetable and fruits isle tomorrow" type shit

[cyan bronze]

it is this

🔮

[strong forum]

Man's high as a kite on Saturday morning

[toxic pewter]

[cyan bronze]

never. just worried about a warrior theorycrafter taking specific blood medications and eating a specific pink colored fruit and feeling unwell

[tribal wharf]

this conversation to me has something to do with paladin

pink and does divine intervention, also removes a bunch of stuff with its dispel

my thoughts is he is coming here to say pwar is dead, go to paladin

[dark barn]

With the recent buffs in druid tree i was just thinking bear can say to prot war: "im you but stronger"

[waxen frigate]

its not

[round pendant]

what

[obsidian girder]

For rage fix

[dark barn]

They added a little bit of rage for us and i think thats it for the patch. Press F.

[round pendant]

Nah grapefruit contains some stuff that blocks an enzyme in your body that's responsible for metabolizing a LOT of different drugs. If you consume grapefruit you'll end up having the drug in your system for a lot longer and more in your blood at once

god I wish this server allowed emotes I could post the nerdge emote

[tribal wharf]

is a shame bitter immunity mostly sucks

used it like, once, during lvl of DF

[round pendant]

needs to be baseline

[cerulean tusk]

Needs to be a 30 sec CD passive, then I will want to have it in my build :v

Other classes got dispells for others, we should self-dispell

[cinder marsh]

is there a place i can look at routes for season 2?

or do i have to wait for the season to come out

[strong forum]

xd

what do you think

we've had like half a week of ptr

[cerulean tusk]

I would just wait, as mobs are still being tuned. But, I am sure there is some youtube content creator out there that has made some already

[toxic pewter]

how is the bloodsurge buff does it proc a lot more

[cerulean tusk]

Not sure how much the PPM increased, all I know is that I am starved and if you dont use CDs to build a bank to revenge with - you will run dry

[jagged pier]

i dont think anyones testing till they fix IP tbh

[cerulean tusk]

Basically, pop CDs, get a bank of 100 or so rage, then use that to get you over till next CD usuage

It feels really bad

[warm delta]

Yeah, never used it as prot, arms or fury

[toxic pewter]

well it was dead immediately since they nerfed it in df beta

[vital pollen]

I like can't break into +12s. I tank, I do big pulls, I don't die, I never lose aggro, and my 2.8-3k rated DPS stand in shit and die over and over. Every time.

Is this just pug life or like end of season life or something?

[cerulean tusk]

If it happens every time, are you sure you are positioning is fine?

[vital pollen]

I mean for example just now on the 2nd miniboss after 1st boss in Dawn

that's not a positioning thing

the big frontal the adds d othe miniboss do I mean

[cerulean tusk]

You talking about DPS placing the orb into the wall?

[vital pollen]

No that's the third miniboss. Second one. Big long skinny conal the adds do.

[cerulean tusk]

The one you 100% of the time keep away from teh group?

[tepid reef]

Second mini boss mends they’re trying to dodge shit I steward of sitting afk behind the boss rofl

[vital pollen]

It's targeted randomly. I feel like you're thinking of something else

[cerulean tusk]

I am so at a loss what frontal you are speaking of

[vital pollen]

The giant purple laser frontal you have dodged a million times lol

[tepid reef]

If people are getting hit by cones in db while you are tanking consistently, it’s your fault.

[cerulean tusk]

Only frontals are tacticians and "arguably" the targetable orb

You sure you dont mean the tacticians?

[vital pollen]

I think it's the tacticians yes

[cerulean tusk]

Big burly boys, does a frontal on the tank

[vital pollen]

Yes. I have DPS dying to that and it's not because I'm movin g

[tepid reef]

If dps die to it consistently your positioning is most likely bad

[cerulean tusk]

You making sure to face them into a safezone, normally the wall at the house or the wall in the yard?

Or do the DPS run to stand on top of you every time? Cause that sounds extremely unlikely

Could happen - but every time?

[vital pollen]

Something like this in every 12 yes. Another example, 3 dps stood in the fusillade in Siege and died. Missed timing key by 5 seconds.

Same key, 2 dps died to the telegraphed conal on 2nd boss in Siege. Stuff like that.

[cerulean tusk]

Did you delay moving out of it till last sec, for stacking purposes?

[vital pollen]

nope, pug free for all

[cerulean tusk]

You got VODs, now I am curious

[vital pollen]

I take it you're not experiencing stuff like this in 12s with 2.8k+ rated DPS?

[cerulean tusk]

Not at all

[vital pollen]

No I don't record but I should start

[cerulean tusk]

My gut feel is that you are doing something "unnoticalbe" to you, but extremely disruptive for DPS

especially melee is prone to tank movement

I just try to stay super consistent, with basically A to B to A robotic movement - and things kinda just work

[vital pollen]

Maybe, I dunno. I play occasionally with a friend who's high-rated enh sham, maybe I'll bug him to be vocal if he sees me doing anything weird

thing is he usually does mention stuff if it seems weird, and positioning isn't really what's come up, more pathing stuff

[cerulean tusk]

Could be that pathing is more prominent to him, than positioning

If you got a warrior friend, that is prob the best. As noone gets more punished than warrior who got to stick in no matter what

While Ret and Enh just skirts out and in

[vital pollen]

Just checked the logs. I was never not facing the tacticians away from the group. Not once. Not for one millisecond. Two deaths to that beam thing.

one was a 3k rated ret pally

maybe I'm a shit magnet

[cerulean tusk]

mind shareing the log?

[vital pollen]

details actually not a log

[cerulean tusk]

you can spot movement on details?

[vital pollen]

No, but I just know I never faced them any other direction. Like it's not a complicated pull.

[cerulean tusk]

I am sorry, but without the data to back that out. We don't know what is going on

[vital pollen]

that blast is telegraphed. There is never an excuse to die to it, I'm sorry

[cerulean tusk]

If you face them weirdly, it can catch ppl offguard

It is your job to make that fool proof

[vital pollen]

Which is precisely what I always do on that pull, just pointing out it's very telegraphed.

anyway forget it, it doesn't matter and you're right I don't have a vod

[cerulean tusk]

Ye, either way of why it happened. All that matters is you next time just keep attention to it. Being hyper aware of why something happens.
Is it your movment?
Is it an add that needed interupting, that caused melee to move in?
Was there a swirly to dodge?
Was there a patrol coming in causing movement?
Did healer drop a circle there?

So many if and whats, not all of them are "they suecide for the lols" kind, even if it do happen

[shut summit]

pretty sure this is fixed now

[jagged pier]

[cerulean tusk]

They fixed so IP costs no rage? Why the pog

[jagged pier]

well the problem i was running into was before we knew it was bugged, i was like IP is falling off a lot i have to press it alot ergo running out of rage faster than i should have been

i mean also didnt have the new rage changes ither

[cerulean tusk]

I dont even really get to press it on PTR atm, but, it lasting for a bit longer will for sure be helpful with its uptime

[strong forum]

okay both devastator and ignore pain are fixed

now ignore pain is 1.23mil instead of 582k

SLIGHT difference

[violet ginkgo]

wow that is doubled...

that is not slight at all

[strong forum]

well yeah

it was reduced by 30% instead of increased by 30%

so it was from 900->582
instead of 900->1.23

[jagged pier]

[violet ginkgo]

what about the 4p, the crit chance properly work too?

[strong forum]

testing as we speak

looks to be working

i got 4 crits in a row

mmmmh...

not convinced

[drowsy narwhal]

what i am curious about is how much dmg ppal does during a dungeon now and how much we do, is our dmg increased or not (i know the gameplay got slower)

[strong forum]

overall you should not expect to do more damage

[drowsy narwhal]

than ppal or than before?

[strong forum]

than before

[drowsy narwhal]

yikes then 😄

i thought maybe at least we got like 1-5% buff in total or sth

[strong forum]

but we feel more playable now

my rage gen vs tnaking dummy rn

devastator is a huge chunk of rage gen on ST now

now throw skyfury into the mix

and that value skyrockets + battering ram

in keys, will be tough to decide

ima check rage gen of deva vs bloodsurge on 5t now

equal on 5t

damn

okay so we perma play instigate now

[pallid quiver]

inb4 blizz's goal is for us to give up shield block talents for more rage so we can keep fueling IP due to them believing IP is our main mit

[jagged pier]

ya dont need to do that

[strong forum]

well IP gained from outburst is really valuable now

and BrV even more

cuz as colossus thats a meaty 1.5mil IP you gain just from outburst, then another ~400k from the dmg itself

so almsot 2mil IP from just pressing SS

[wicked pollen]

nice

[cyan bronze]

where does the point come from tho

[pallid quiver]

bloodsurge

[strong forum]

^

[pallid quiver]

instigate gives more rage than it even in standard AOE size

[cyan bronze]

ahh gotcha

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

bloodsurge kaka now

imp wall kaka

[pallid quiver]

And since real big pulls are fairly rare overall and there's still ST and everything in M+,

you just always instigate instead

[wicked pollen]

which talent is this

er sorru

imp wall

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/q05Tw08.png

this will be standard m+ as thane

[pallid quiver]

Imp Wall's the Wall CD reduce on SS

[strong forum]

as colossus you obv switch TL to SoF

and FTFF into BSC

[pallid quiver]

which is less valuable due to not giving rage and not being able to outpace the flat 30s CDR from Double Wall

[strong forum]

and if you dont need DA atall you get bloodsurge

[strong forum]

60 now

🙂

[pallid quiver]

oh

i didn't know that they upped it even more

[strong forum]

SW is flat 2min CD with double wall next patch

[cyan bronze]

yeah wall is 2 min flat

[strong forum]

hard to beat that

[pallid quiver]

I thought they just reduced the CD flat by 30s

Then 30s more from double

[strong forum]

nah they buffed DA to 60 sec, and next patch they additionally lower SW CD by 30sec

to kill imp wall even more

[pallid quiver]

yeah it's turbo dead at that point

especially with 0 rage gen attached

at least you don't have to consider whether or not double wall is good for your situation or not anymore

[strong forum]

yeah...

[shut summit]

true that's what we needed is fewer choices in our spec tree

need a ground-up rework at this point

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, we hate having meaningful interactions with the game

I recommend poking through the pins

[strong forum]

nerfs are sucky

buffs arent enough to make up for the nerfs

[pallid quiver]

^^^ good summary there

[wicked pollen]

me when its pinned

[pallid quiver]

If you want more in-depth on how people feel about gameplay changes, jumping to the messages in pins will get you a greater overview of the past week or so of discussion

[jagged pier]

at least is slightly smoother rotation after the recent changes

[pallid quiver]

but tl;dr most bodies are not happy

[jagged pier]

not great compared to now

[thin ivy]

yeah sorry just seeing the pins im a boomer

[fleet flicker]

i aint reading all that

congratulations or sorry that happened

[jagged pier]

but better compared to the first round of changes

[thin ivy]

reading it now

[dark barn]

Possible way to reduce the rage problems (you will compensate the loss of 2s of SB with HR), the innerv focus+bolstering is a optional idea for a big heavy rage burst

[wicked pollen]

you dont need last stand rage gen

and you are gaining rage problems by dropping ravager

[pallid quiver]

Enduring Defenses is a pretty much never drop; it affects all sources of SB uptime. Also, giving up Spell Block is real inting your defensives if trends continue

If you're looking for a big rage burst, anyway, Ravager gives more

[dark barn]

people already dropped raveger for BSV in live

[pallid quiver]

And it wasn't for a burst of rage gen

[wicked pollen]

yeah for a different problem

[dark barn]

if you drop the idea of the last stand rage, you can pick ravager or bsv

[pallid quiver]

It's like saying you should use a rock instead of a gun in modern warfare because people used rocks over spears sometimes in old warfare

[dark barn]

i like the idea of ravager in this case

[wicked pollen]

you dont need bolster either

[dark barn]

bolster is just for the the innerv focus combo, think about the two talents like a combo

if you drop one you drop both

like this

[wicked pollen]

i would rather have +2 of sb than a few more rage gen

so i just drop the bloodsurge or instigate

[urban bane]

[sharp gale]

The issue with 2 talents combo is that they cost …. 2 points, so you have to value them against 2 not 1

And idk if we have 100% sb uptime with HR but not the +2 sec talent

[cyan bronze]

we lowkey might

with shield charge cdr

but doubt

[sharp gale]

Yeah that’s why I don’t eclipse that with the tier set and the haste we might have

[cyan bronze]

but also

[sharp gale]

But it’s 100% dps loss so no way I do that

[cyan bronze]

itf+2s sb might be more rage

or close

[dark barn]

remember HR generates 2 rage too, plus IW will be 21 rage per SS

[cyan bronze]

also u cannot afford to drop spell block in most keys

[cyan bronze]

right

10% haste is a lot

also there’s no impen wall rage

removed

[dark barn]

oh no ...

new yoda comments https://youtu.be/9VW_x-r5-lo

[cyan bronze]

icannot

holy shit

icannot

i am dead

[tardy abyss]

Must be some awful clickbait

[cyan bronze]

i am physically in pain

no it’s not

[tardy abyss]

Or he missed the nerfs