it is fine
#protection
cerulean tusk
cerulean tusk
Depends on what you mean by 'best'
willow edge
Still reckon give warrior a bloodlust and thatll help a lot
cerulean tusk
doubt that
tardy abyss
Will barely help
willow edge
War utility does kind of suck
cerulean tusk
Not like Shaman or Mage rarely isnt meta
tardy abyss
We need either an external or some kind of aoe reduc for group / raid
willow edge
Compared to pallys blessings of ignore mechanics
tardy abyss
Or maybe make intervene more useful
tardy abyss
yes
cerulean tusk
and we still wont be brought
tardy abyss
Thats like the only boss where pwar shines lol
willow edge
Looking at our class and spec trees I feel like we spec into too many talents that should just be base
cerulean tusk
We had a ton of bosses where we basically break the fight, doesnt change we are the less useful overall option
willow edge
Remind me what zephyr does lol
tardy abyss
20% avoidance for group
cerulean tusk
Give us AoE CR that is on a 10 min CD and doesn't count towards the CR limit, and we could start talking
next yacht
Just make intervene a good external,not the garbage that it is now
tardy abyss
Making shattering throw more exciting is also an option ngl
cerulean tusk
Lets be real, Warrior as the simple brick that gets hit, is fine. But if that is the case, then ppl with utility cant do that same job just as well or even close.
willow edge
Bloodlust and actually let us do decent damage with our regular rotation since we dont have utility
cerulean tusk
Hybrid tax needs a comeback
remote anchor
Making shattering throw more exciting is also an option ngl
wdym i love pvp talents in my class tree
willow edge
Best blizzard does is "if you arent a healer you oom with like 5 spellcasts of heals"
remote anchor
last boss you used it on was in mogushan vaults
tardy abyss
kek
cerulean tusk
Make Pwarrior shatter armor, removing 30% of armor value 
Then cry, as we still not brought, as DPS is magic
willow edge
Minor gripe but can we bloody have shield spikes back without it being a choice node with spellblock cause that talent is always going to lose that match up
jagged pier
i mena that talent really doesnt do anything
u would probably take bolster if spell block didnt exsist
cerulean tusk
passive threat gen for new player friendliness?
willow edge
Its entirely passive, should just be a base talent
lilac basalt
it's not hard to give warrior some utility while keeping the class fantasy intact. like the party hp shout*** could give some DR as well
willow edge
u would probably take bolster if spell block didnt exsist
My build does take bolster lol
I miss that tier set where SS reduced cd on last stand and made it cleave
jagged pier
i dnt want to see that burnt build thnks
willow edge
Oh well
cerulean tusk
I want to see it
willow edge
I also dont take ravager cause I fucking hate it and think it should be fury only lol
cerulean tusk
Bolster sounds necessary
willow edge
If I was pushing high keys Id prob switch but most I do is AOTC and like 10s/11s
Disect away about how shit and unoptimal this is 😛
cerulean tusk
Fair, always play what you find is the most fun
I got the most silly builds myself
and I have still yet to hit a wall
... is that wrecking throw?
willow edge
Considering content does typically come down to player skill and less "You arent playing x talent"
willow edge
... is that wrecking throw?
Yep
have no need for "pierces immunities" and they do the same damage according to tooltip haha
If I PVP I switch it ofc
cerulean tusk
Why no roar - but wrecking throw?
willow edge
Roar is too, a talent I dont like
cerulean tusk
I mean - if you are dead set to bring either, instead of just pressing a shieldslam, sure
willow edge
Clearly got something against it
cerulean tusk
I just dont see a usecase
cerulean tusk
So it is tech for NW maurader boys?
cerulean tusk
I mean, roar is also 45 sec, and does the same amount of damage - but is AoE
heavy sparrow
anyone have a rational for Authority of Radiant Power vs Authority of the depths?
cerulean tusk
ST vs AoE
cerulean tusk
Well, I can respect it, I just can't wrap my head around it
cerulean tusk
He doesnt use either tho
tardy abyss
Gigachad
willow edge
This isnt shadowlands where I actually need to kite mobs to not die
Man those seasons sucked
Especially since I was venthyr for the execute
cerulean tusk
Ah, so that is why you bring wrecking throw - as a kite tool!
willow edge
Lmao
Will you just give it up already about wrecking throw, if you dont play it cool for you lol
If blizzard wants to buff it that would be cool, but again, conceptually against Roar and ravager as prot abilities lol
cerulean tusk
They forgot to aurabuff it with the rest of our stuff, why it is so pointless weak atm, so yea - lets hope it gets some love
Would be nice if it wrecked
willow edge
Both abilities definitely need their damage increased
I wont disagree roar would be more effective for aoe
cerulean tusk
Roar is better on ST as well, it just loses out in that Roar is partly a DoT
so wrecking is more upfront dam
If they buffed it tho - it could have some tech usage, for NW in particular, lots of shields that cant be dispelled there
willow edge
Indeed
Imo, arms should have bladestorm. Fury ravager and prot should just have increase to revenge damage or such. Much as I love war im not a fan of most of the capstone/near capstone talents
Still my preferred tank over the other specs
cerulean tusk
Fury should have Odyn's Fury*
But personally, I dont mind if Bladestorm was accross all 3 specs
it is a very WoW warrior ability
willow edge
In my mind whirlwind is pretty iconic, and it feels like your swinging pool noodles
cerulean tusk
Whirlwind is noodle dam, so yeah
It is only a cleaving enabler for Fury or a missclick for arms - For prot it is a 360 noscope ragewaste
willow edge
Its funny playing classic, cata and retail and wishing you can get a good version of the three combined
cerulean tusk
Does good dam with a 2hander tho, as prot
willow edge
About as useful as when they made a big deal about giving shield related abilities to warrior base. Like fury and arms ever could just swap weapons and try tanking in any real regard
cerulean tusk
It got its fringe uses - the weapon swap GCD is what locks it out; but being able to get 30% DR from block + armor dam red, really helps tanking in a pinch
I like the idea of Fury just throwing on their shield when the tank dies, to buy ppl time. Sadly WoW is content where at that point the mobs that killed the tank through their defencives... well, gonna turn you into so much mush
So gotta kite either way
Fun idea tho
willow edge
Given changes in recent years
I suspect fun is not on the agenda for most of the devs
Monk seems to be eating well at the moment
After years of neglect
wicked pollen
kek
strong forum
DK makes 2nd boss very easy
cerulean tusk
Intervene tho >:(
wicked pollen
i was doing a gb yesterday and delt why pal is broken
cerulean tusk
Btw, we got disrupting shout for 2nd boss in NW
we got tool guys
invite us
plz
cerulean tusk
the heck is dat
wicked pollen
srs or
cerulean tusk
How did you evne manage to get ppl to stack on you? I have trouble enough having them be on the same side for 100% melee uptime
._.
wicked pollen
i typed it before
wicked pollen
still managed to kill someone because i pressed 1 second before
cerulean tusk
dapper vapor
cerulean tusk
Well, if you didnt play correctly, then you do get a DPS gain
strong forum
that will never be achieved until they un-nerf strategist
tardy abyss
yup
dark barn
Maybe blizzard just dont want us to 90 apm anymore and our only option is acceptance
Enjoy slowarrior
cerulean tusk
We not 90 apm tho
strong forum
11.1. New Prot "buffs"
Overall, coupled together with the un-nerf of Strategist to 25%:
- This will be an overall gain for
Colossus. Both offensively and Defensively. 
Thane will be slightly worse off as the gained buffs do not affect Thane Rage generation as much, but 30% IP buff is still extremely good.
Thane gets:
- punished by the nerf of Impenetrable Wall more, as Thane gets more frequent access to SS
- didnt get the Hero Talent Tree altered at all
- doesnt get benefits from the Class Tree shift in gaining 1 extra talent point in the 3rd gate
- gets the random avatar procs buffed from 4 to 6sec
Colossus gets: - +3 Rage on Shield Slam (almost making up for the loss of impenetrable wall)
- +25% Revenge DMG on Class Tree due to Barbaric Training being finally pickable
- Gets the opportunitiy to play Immovable Object in the Class Tree due to 1 extra point and Unstoppable Force not being a relevant damage gain
- Defenders Aegis buff being inversely stronger for Colossus
cerulean tusk
Only way to really slow APM, is to increase the GCD or give dead GCDs, there is no winning that path
strong forum
Maybe blizzard just dont want us to 90 apm anymore and our only option is accept...
yeah except ignore pain you'll now spam revenge!
cuz SS wont reset and TC is on CD
and if you over-use Ignore Pain you get punished even more!!
dark barn
Im gearing the most obvious reroll (bear) and omg what a boring 2-buttom smasher
strong forum
🙂
if blizzard, as stated in their first reason for the nerf, is to not make us spam Ignore Pain as a rage dump, they should maybe consider giving us a good offensive spender and make IP not as weak
but also as stated many times prior, they have no real vision of what they want prot to be
strong forum
cuz rn the entire spec identity and rotation revolves around shield slam and rage maximisation
so nerfing those 2 exact things
is literally fucking with the core principle
which uh, warrants a rework and is not something you casually throw in as a 2 liner in a patch
meanwhile shamans are at their 3rd rework this expansion
literally
tardy abyss
People would complain about having yet another button
strong forum
tardy abyss
Altho pwar really doesnt suffer from bloat
strong forum
it suffers from bloat in a diff way than brew
brew has rotational bloat
we have defensives
but we still need the same amount of buttons
tardy abyss
I dont think thats an issue
tardy abyss
Any of the defensive button removed and we suffer lol
cerulean tusk
They prob should just increase the CD of all abilities, and remove any off GCD buttons.
Then the APM issue is fixed.
Then they combine functionality; Shieldslam is now also shieldblock, Revenge is also ignore pain, Roar is Demo, so on
Button bloat is gone
Me a blizz dev when?
I saved the casual gamer
tardy abyss
IP on gcd would feel horrible though
cerulean tusk
No wonder blueposts are angry at you
tardy abyss
Dunno, basically halfing our buttons is lame
cerulean tusk
Would be funny if blizz stole my idea, and then I killed warrior for good
dark barn
At this point i just want a choice node like: devastate generate 10 rage and the gameplay will turn good again
tardy abyss
Lots of people would love pwar to have less buttons though :madge:
cerulean tusk
Nome is 100% right about that
strong forum
nothing worse than spamming an ST filler
look at all the bears
spamming swipe
cuz it has no cooldown
dark barn
Im not totally against to have a new skill to press. Im playing the same SS TC Revenge for like 3 years
strong forum
when swipe is LITERALLY one of THE WORST things to press
but theres literaly title pusher bears out there spamming swipe like their life depends on it
(it does nothing for their dmg or survival)
cerulean tusk
Well, we consumers, we are kinda conditioned to swipe
dark barn
Plus: Not against if devastate actually have upsides (dont have now)
strong forum
they buffed devastate like 5 times since SL and its still bad
cuz devastator is just infinitely better cuz it doesnt munch globals and instead opens your rotation up for more useful globals more frequently
frigid valley
if blizzard, as stated in their first reason for the nerf, is to not make us spa...
bring back heroic strike
dark barn
And my final point: the fact of devastate pop ups in your skill tree and leaves forever 5 levels after because there's no choice node ts just awful and bad design
strong forum
i wouldnt be opposed to heroic strike if it had more interactions
same as revenge needs more interactions
median bridge
HS with Cleave which acts as HC for AoE
strong forum
because every tank at this point has each of their spenders do more than just 1 thing
revenge as our only offensive spender only doing damage and a small chance to reset shield slam is no longer in line with modern tank design
if they dont want ignore pain to be spammed, revenge needs something defensive
karmic plinth
i think its criminal execute / revenge dont have an ursocs fury / frailty style effect
strong forum
like the vengeance talent
karmic plinth
has someone made a nice feedback post on the forums which i can reply to
strong forum
IP buffs revenge -> revenge makes next IP cheaper
and all of a sudden we have way to weave again
strong forum
has someone made a nice feedback post on the forums which i can reply to
not publicly
karmic plinth
ok i will make one
lilac basalt
could a wowhead post like the other classes have about the 11.1 changes bring more people to our cause? the ones written by guide writers
strong forum
i had one in the works
but uh
life happens
but dont worry we're fighting on other fronts
lilac basalt
sorry, I know it's not your job. thanks for all you do anyway!
karmic plinth
i assume blizzard reads the us forum more than the EU one
lilac basalt
definitely. I don't have the numbers but I also think/assume that both CN and US is a bigger region than EU (so we are kind of irrelevant here)
toxic pewter
delete revenge and ignore pain 2025
strong forum
i assume blizzard reads the us forum more than the EU one
Until tww or late df there wasn't even EU beta/ptr forums
You needed an NA account with a level 10 character to write on beta forums
karmic plinth
ya i got invited to community council and kaivax told me i needed to make a level 10 US character to join 💀
strong forum
"what if we just alienate majority of our playerbase? 
"
violet ginkgo
pallid quiver
People would complain about having yet *another* button
we don't even have that many buttons imo; I have multiple key binds for some buttons (Ravager, Spear, Interrupt off the top of my head) and I still have binds to spare. I don't understand how people are often like "I only have 8 keybinds with modifiers, what do"
And I understand that as the have 24 binds,
but no, they mean 8
lilac basalt
I personally don't think that makes a class hard to play. my VDH has half the amount of buttons and it's still more complex and harder to play. as a beginner tank I even had to re-roll from it to a druid, then warrior and it felt just fine
tribal wharf
me to blizzard about nerf pwar
king of all cosmos demands it, and will be very angry if it is not done
20% nerf, wtf
ancient carbon
What stats should i go for on prot warrior, gide says Haste>Crit>Vers, but most warriors i check have Haste>Vers>Crit?
strong forum
I personally don't think that makes a class hard to play. my VDH has half the am...
That's cuz vdh is an abomination glued together by 3 different mitigation and resource systems that why it's "hard"
strong forum
What stats should i go for on prot warrior, gide says Haste>Crit>Vers, but most ...
You can check under the guide in the stat explanation to make a more informed decision 
ancient carbon
Ah, oke, Thanks!
cerulean tusk
Nome against Crit/Mast/Vers/haste 
tribal wharf
mastery> crit> haste build lets go
mastery to passive block all the attacks and same for parry with crit
strong needle
That's cuz vdh is an abomination glued together by 3 different mitigation and re...
Annoying more than anything. I hate vdh it’s just not fun to play imo
strong forum
nah fuck off with free shit
pwar wants the opposite of "free procs"
cuz free procs means no indom healing, no anger management fuel, no outburst gaining
too many free things and itll kill us 
only tank that works this way
maybe bdk aswell
strong forum
strong forum
at 4pm 
strong forum
New Prot "buffs"
With these Rage and Dmg changes Prot is not getting overall buffed, its just a compensatory change to whatever the single nerf to Strategist did to us.
yeah theyre solving a problem they themself have caused
north atlas
i like the dmg buffs
strong forum
still overall a nerf, probably
north atlas
but yea just un nerf strategist
strong forum
cuz we lose a ton of individual casts
so instead of 100 casts we have 70, but those 70 hit ~25% harder
north atlas
still less rage
strong forum
yeup
maybe the bloodsurge + instigate rage buffs are enough for it in ST
that will require sims and on-hand experience
north atlas
i think they need to buff IP more
or reduce rage cost on SB
if hits are gunna be what they are in s1
were still gunna be trucked
and imo we should be a immovable wall of rage
strong forum
they wack you cuz its the singular instance of more than 1 mob spam casting casts onto tank exclusively
north atlas
and my spell block was on cd and i mis time reflect alot
strong forum
yeup, so you need good team coordination in there
not a prot issue, thats just a team issue
strong forum
i refuse to pug
rather not play than pug
nothing more soulcrushing than playing wow alone
north atlas
2500 io mostl of it puggin
cyan bronze
yeah theyre solving a problem they themself have caused
I wouldn’t say this entirely
To me it reads like they want prot to be slower entirely
And rage to be more passive
I also do appreciate punish dr getting doubled
tardy abyss
I also do appreciate punish dr getting doubled
I mean thats just a compensation too
karmic plinth
deffo easier to get 8% after the buff than before
round cliff
i know we're all dooming
but i think this is a good thing long term
idk if we're dooming or not i just assumed cuz this is warrior discord
karmic plinth
we remember shadowlands season 1 and bfa season 1
tardy abyss
but i think this is a good thing long term
What exactly
frozen berry
Increased rage pool, keep rage gen the same, increase cost of IP and revenge by some value would make it less spammy wouldn’t it?
torn gulch
People like prot warrior with high apm because it is fun to play
tardy abyss
It fixed nothing
round cliff
increasing rage cycling time
tardy abyss
It caused more harm than good
There were a billion better options on how to achieve it without ruining the playstyle
Just removing rage gen is so bad
And higher ip value does literally nothing
tardy abyss
Rightfully so
jagged pier
we remember shadowlands season 1 and bfa season 1
played better than this shit still
tardy abyss
We will now have to wait a full expac for them to fix issues they caused themselves
round cliff
it will be ok!
tardy abyss
Simply because they cba to ask players on how to achieve it instead of rolling a dice on what to do
karmic plinth
played better than this shit still
for sure
lilac basalt
I really don't understand why people say we had to spam IP. from the wowhead guide:
5. Cast Ignore Pain to prevent rage capping (around 60-80 rage).
it was so simple to do even as a beginner tank... I saw the rage bar around 2/3, I pressed IP. done.
frozen berry
Did the buffs they just gave not help?
frozen berry
Yeah I’m not saying it was an overal buff in the slightest from live. The pinned message doesn’t really underscore how it changes from live to current ptr iteration. Is it neutral? Are we still worse off than now?
karmic plinth
I really don't understand why people say we had to spam IP. from the wowhead gui...
i think this is in situations like if you're thane during avatar and ravager is going off you dont have the gcds to send revenge so you could be weaving ss > ip > tc > ip > ss > ip etc
but thats why we enjoy the spec
obsidian girder
not really
Condensed: numbers tweaked, gameplay still ass ?
kind urchin
The problem is the way the spec is designed requiring high rage income and shield slam resets to have smooth gameplay completely falls apart when rage economy is reduced. If they want to reduce rage economy and slow the spec down they have to change the way the whole spec works so we don't have constant down time.
obsidian girder
I just can say, I love the pace as it is. Anything slower makes it worse. Go Pala for slow stuff, if you want jadda jadda go war
Kinda class fantasy imho
strong forum
And rage to be more passive
"they want rage to come from rotation and more steady state and not CD heavy"
cyan bronze
Yeah
tardy abyss
I just can say, I love the pace as it is. Anything slower makes it worse. Go Pal...
Ppal literally has the same apm
umbral kernel
some prot pal buttons are really lame to press
like flying hammers
consecration
who wants to press flying hammers for real
umbral kernel
yea consecration is lame to press + shit design
but I don't think ppal has the same apm tho, you don't press shield of the righteous as much as ignore pain, shield block etc
total smoking
dusky canopy
They can put the slow on a different button that hits multiple targets
And anchor it to the feet for whatever piss damage it does and the DR
waxen frigate
when you had to recast consec when the tree grabs you lmao
We love Z-axis
obsidian girder
who wants to press flying hammers for real
Worst button to press as ppal
umbral kernel
yea
obsidian girder
Would even be a better button if passive
umbral kernel
dropped the class in df partly because of this
too many buttons suck to press
consec, flying hammer
even judgment is meh but well
meanwhile you have divine toll which is goated button and animation
jagged pier
Ppal literally has the same apm
actually has the highest of all tanks
on ST top damage
but yer nerf warrior
cause it has too much
toxic pewter
warrior dev quit in df beta
dusky canopy
Apb get this
storm stone
Well I really like warrior but while I’m leveling new tanks guess I’ll level a pala too..
storm stone
I’m a BDK main it hurts my soul to play a pala
dusky canopy
Well I really like warrior but while I’m leveling new tanks guess I’ll level a p...
Don’t let random discord yap stop you from playing whatever appeals to you the most
All specs are good until bleeding edge content
storm stone
Don’t let random discord yap stop you from playing whatever appeals to you the m...
Oh I’m sticking with pwarr for now but like. I exclusively pug so, kinda forced to meta chase to a degree
storm stone
Like It was a struggle to get invited to +4’s on brew…
dusky canopy
Remember how I was talking about not having garr binding at the beginning of DF
Yeah..
Haven’t missed a week
Lmao
toxic pewter
damn now that you mention it I do remember holy crap
what in the world.. thats awful
dusky canopy
🙏
cyan bronze
I’m a BDK main it hurts my soul to play a pala <:deadge:900279927138578432>
Real
Ppal dupid
cyan bronze
Oh I’m sticking with pwarr for now but like. I exclusively pug so, kinda forced ...
Meh there’s a degree
I do think that you can do almost all title keys with almost any tank almost every season
exceptions apply
storm stone
I just cbf to dps
cyan bronze
But unless you’re playing meta or 2’nd best
storm stone
I did my time in that jail
cyan bronze
it’s aids to get into pugs
cyan bronze
i find if you play top 2 tho
storm stone
I killed the entire instance up to queen
cyan bronze
it’s fine
cyan bronze
cerulean tusk
Need more pics to confirm opinion
cyan bronze
cerulean tusk
More? :>
cyan bronze
finale
cerulean tusk
Excellent, I know now the layout of your house
cyan bronze
jagged pier
cyan bronze
cerulean tusk
Ngl, #protection upgraded
cyan bronze
do you like my cat
jagged pier
i like them both
gentle violet
What does everyone think of the warrior tuning last night?!?!
cerulean tusk
Everything is fine
gentle violet
Damage is probably fine now. Just concerned about Rage gen/Speed.
waxen frigate
<@192743144276623360> Do you like my dog
Looks like a good boy
gentle violet
I actually think the damage is a slight net positive from what live is but need to test on PTR.
cyan bronze
he is
cyan bronze
I actually think the damage is a slight net positive from what live is but need ...
doubt
cerulean tusk
Hey, how dare you doubt what he thinks?
cyan bronze
maybe for colossus? Idk
waxen frigate
She says hi @cyan bronze
toxic pewter
schnauzer alert
waxen frigate
schnauzer alert
Nope
waxen frigate
She’s a Scottie
toxic pewter
yes
cerulean tusk
Pwarr channel going places I can root for
toxic pewter
cute as heck
waxen frigate
Raccoon lookin ass
cyan bronze
he acts like one
we call him soy boy because he compensates for being a little dog by being ferocious
cerulean tusk
D'awww, what a lill cutie - no toys or dog bed tho?
cyan bronze
he does not like dog beds
waxen frigate
D'awww, what a lill cutie - no toys or dog bed tho?
FWIW not all dogs like toys
cyan bronze
and toys are all around the house
waxen frigate
Any toy we’ve gotten our dog has either scared her or gone ignored
waxen frigate
You get a cat instead
cerulean tusk
cerulean tusk
Today is a good day
waxen frigate
monke
weary saddle
protwar channel is become a pet channel
inner wind
Stop posting your pets here folks. Do it somewhere else please!
cerulean tusk
Don't worry, we back to our schedueled dooming soonish we just needed a lill' break
umbral kernel
bro he's too cute
waxen frigate
Bro has ptsd in the second to last pic
waxen frigate
Stop posting your pets here folks. Do it somewhere else please!
Keep complaining and I’ll bring back canned fish
strong forum
Are there any talent swaps <a:huh:1072539415261499412>
Ofc
inner wind
Keep complaining and I’ll bring back canned fish
Ain’t complaining. This is not the place for these posts!
strong forum
And you drop instigate to get imp wall
heavy sparrow
nothing more soulcrushing than playing wow alone
cyan bronze
Yea
thin bloom
hi guys, what do you think is the best way to handle little spiders in mythic ansurek on p2 platform 2, is the debuff spellblockable or something?
jagged pier
they get CC'd so like they are supposed too
strong forum
Have dps use CDs
jagged pier
or just kill them
strong forum
They should die in a few globals
violet ginkgo
hi guys, what do you think is the best way to handle little spiders in mythic an...
gotta CC them and have your DPS really DPS ing.
limpid ruin
They really shouldn’t be that threatening unless they live for literally forever
waxen frigate
hi guys, what do you think is the best way to handle little spiders in mythic an...
They should die super quick
sharp gale
hi guys, what do you think is the best way to handle little spiders in mythic an...
Most people has their cd assigned to that platform, on my prog the tank die by getting grabbed not the spiders
I even tank 1 or 2 because I have to run to be the first on platform
vocal cave
Man people on US forums have the wildest takes
round pendant
How did Asmon manage to get #12 mythic overall parses in EN?
Can someone explain this to me
Dude is so awful at wow
wicked pollen
?
round pendant
I know emerald nightmare was pretty easy
wicked pollen
because he put time into playing the game?
round pendant
less competition too I suppose
remote anchor
How did Asmon manage to get #12 mythic overall parses in EN?
overall has nothing to do with how easy the raid is
jagged pier
because for the time
he was good
then ppl started taking the game as seriously/more seriously that he was
and got better
wicked pollen
he also quit raiding entirely
jagged pier
he quit in NH because he wasnt getting parses anymore
round pendant
overall has nothing to do with how easy the raid is
Easier to pump and maintain uptime if the content is easier. Then the content gets harder but the actual good players still parse high while he can't
is my logic
jagged pier
because raid was harder u had to actually do mechanics and stuff + his stream was popping off
remote anchor
Easier to pump and maintain uptime if the content is easier. Then the content ge...
yea but this affects every player not just him
eternal kelp
Also rng of legion leggos at the beginning of the xpac.
hardy snow
So looking at the ptr changes, rage changes stays, spec gets aurabuffed
as expected
round pendant
just gimme back 30% Shield Slam procs and I'm alright with it ig
maiden forge
dark barn
Now we gain more rage casting SS with colossus. Spec saved. Talking seriously i was thinking in playing things like innerving focus plus bolstering
violet ginkgo
not saved by much I guess
dry maple
I may spec into bloodsurge (may have talent name wrong) to help gain rage.
strong forum
How did Asmon manage to get #12 mythic overall parses in EN?
cuz he used to be a fairly high end raider until legion when he started to go casual?
strong forum
unlucky
round pendant
my whole world view has come crashing down
cerulean tusk
Dont worry, I got ya. Asmon never played, it was all his editor, CatDanny who played his account at the time. Asmon was only the face of the operation.
strong forum
his boss* Catdanny
cerulean tusk
True, got to stay updated with recent newz
round pendant
lmao
fiery turtle
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/colossus/DAOAVVRRFUgEVKSU...
hello just saw you post this earlier today and i was wondering in wich case scenario are you suppose to use this mythic+ build for mythic+ i thought it was the mountain thane build that was best according to the builds from wowhead and the prot faq channel?
strong forum
this is for doing mad damage
and having more fun
just because there is a "best" build doesnt mean you cant play anything else 😄
i myself barely played that thane build cuz its boring and less damage
cerulean tusk
^ Hear hear, this is so extremely freeing when you just start playing whatever you want to
urban portal
yeah i think the choice that prot war has currently is pretty cool
fiery turtle
this is for doing mad damage
i was merely asking cause i didnt notice that build before
strong forum
yeah
fiery turtle
honestly it looks nice to play compared to mountain thane that is more brain dead
strong forum
my record is 1.82mil so far
fiery turtle
overall?\
strong forum
ye
fiery turtle
638 ?
strong forum
jagged pier
yer dont get excited
iron sphinx
yer dont get excited
fiery turtle
well obv but i mean my name is fairly obvious
im sorry i just dont keep tabs on all theorycrafters and guide writters, i hop a bit to many times from character depending on what my guild needs me to do
fiery turtle
well obv but i mean my name is fairly obvious
all i can say is THANK YOU for all the job and work you guys do to let us plebs benefit from
strong forum
o7
heavy sparrow
636 crafted necklace or 626 sikran necklace
tardy abyss
Man
Court prog is making me insane
People seriously have hard time moving immediately after web vortex
jagged pier
tardy abyss
And we are at 160 pulls
jagged pier
Sounds about right
shut summit
need next tier, this one 
shut summit
ya it's top on their list of things to do for sure
jagged pier
For sure 
jagged pier
In Sense we trust 
wicked pollen
i hope sense is right
shut summit
(sarcasm)(it's not)(reroll now)
urban bane
cerulean tusk
BDK raidtank treatment again? I feel sorry for em
heavy sparrow
People seriously have hard time moving immediately after web vortex
reminds me of 3 and a half hours of court pulls on heroic, I remember raid leading at 608ilvl. we downed it though. I remember specifically being 9 beers deep at 11am on a saturday
heavy sparrow
Anyway i heard bdk was required for raid yet again......
can confirm, raiding groups needing tanks for their core rosters want bdk
tardy abyss
reminds me of 3 and a half hours of court pulls on heroic, I remember raid leadi...
court is a joke on heroic tho
And a completely different fight
I wish court mythic would only take 3.5 hours
You need like 8 just to get p1 right
jagged pier
Whats hard or not is relative too you there are guilds that spend the enitre teir progressing normal
Just because you find it easy doesnt invalidate that someone else found it hard
tardy abyss
Fair
pallid quiver
Anyway i heard bdk was required for raid yet again......
I got shouted at once for saying M raid stuff effectively keeps requiring BDK. I brought up Brood as an example
I personally really don't like how heavily incentivized BDK constantly is in raid; I think they should at least give more grip utility to the DPS DKs or something to make it not as bad
wicked pollen
never going to be a thing because gorefiends exists
wicked pollen
🙂
jagged pier
Otherwise probably triple the pull count
shut summit
it's easily comparable, picture a fight that requires a prot warrior cuz of spell reflect and how instantly it would get fixed
pallid quiver
That's what I mean is like, give Gorefiends to the DPS specs if they want to forcibly keep it DK related
shut summit
but when it's something you can ams or aoe grip it's seen as class fantasy
jagged pier
Yer its a joke honestly
wicked pollen
hero class treatment
pallid quiver
yeah but that doesn't show on the meters, so it doesn't affect ego
jagged pier
Loke if we could sr mechanics like ams give it the same cd not 20s then its literally the same cd
pallid quiver
The real key thing there on how people treat it
pallid quiver
We killed brood really fast becayse we had an officer switch to bdk
Also don't forget how long it took for a kill without BDK took to ever exist.
I actually don't know if there's one, but I'm pretty confident on it
tardy abyss
There are kills without bdk but it took forever
jagged pier
There are ones
pallid quiver
See? Therefore, BDK isn't required for early prog.
That's about how that argument went
pallid quiver
See, even on top of that, I brought up the entire lack of any successful attempts without as my reason as to why BDK was effectively required
wicked pollen
is there any other ability like gorefiends
pallid quiver
And then I also brought up that iirc, Aggramar? From Antorus hard needed grips.
At least you didn't need BDK specifically iirc, but it just keeps showing how strong enemy grips are
It's only changed to be even harsher with it needing to be Gorefiends in particular
signal field
avatar increases trinket damage like mad queens right?
quaint sinew
do we stop prioing haste after dr? 30ish%
karmic plinth
avatar increases trinket damage like mad queens right?
no only warrior spells
karmic plinth
do we stop prioing haste after dr? 30ish%
still prio it
bleak breach
Yeah BDK op
jagged pier
avatar increases trinket damage like mad queens right?
Nope
bleak breach
I got dropped for Brood to have a dps switch to blood just to make it easier but such is life.
pallid quiver
Yeah, I brought up things like that, but I have no idea what it's like because I don't tank Mythic
So I couldn't possibly understand what it's like in Mythic
wicked pollen
why would you bring anything a bdk on brood unless you play 3 tanks
strong forum
boss is a pushover these days
dont need aoe grip that badly anymore
assuming people arent clowning
wicked pollen
plush tendon
having two BDKs on brood makes it faceroll; and, lets be real, no one wants to spend more time then necessary on brood
funny enough, same was true for the other brood in Vault of Incarnates. AMS was bussin
heavy sparrow
can we hog the buffs?
https://www.wowhead.com/item=215134/fractured-gemstone-locket#comments
or
hearty narwhal
do i suck or is it hard to keep up shield block with %12 haste? my sb uptime is around 80
fiery turtle
im only 610 equiped and i have about double your haste % and im pretty sure i can keep it up all the time or more than you, so haste does help a ton
willow edge
Could swap our execute threshold for increased SB duration
Not that I really recommend it
round pendant
do i suck or is it hard to keep up shield block with %12 haste? my sb uptime is ...
Should be fine if you have Heavy Repercussions
And is that in raid or keys?
tiny atlas
Bolster helped me in the beginning a lot as well to keep up SB
Today was a good day. +14 Ara, +13 Siege and +13 NW done 
wicked pollen
Bolster helped me in the beginning a lot as well to keep up SB
why not just play hr
sharp olive
Any ptr testers?
vague stump
Any ptr testers?
yeah i also wonder. someone streaming?
hearty narwhal
And is that in raid or keys?
keys im 594 ilvl , with into the fray talent but i got 12 haste without the %8 extra buff
round pendant
Don't use ITF
wicked pollen
you dont have enough haste
round pendant
You can't get good uptime with ITF at that haste %
hearty narwhal
when should I start using it?
hearty narwhal
oh thanks
round cliff
They prob should just increase the CD of all abilities, and remove any off GCD b...
they should merge raging blow and bloodthirst too tbh
lofty spear
guys, thrash before stichflesh on NW, how do we play that physical debuff ? how many stacks should we start kiting ? any dispells that we can use it ? dwarf racials etc
jagged gust
...I didn't know that mob had a debuff
lofty spear
maybe doing 10s this wont kill u
but above 12-13 its dieable
with a lot of stacks + mutilates
sharp gale
why would you bring anything a bdk on brood unless you play 3 tanks
since end-november we don't do brood with 2 mass grips you don't care anymore
wicked pollen
why not just not thingk
sharp gale
to not bench our main tank
pallid quiver
your main tank should have been a BDK main instead smh
sharp gale
nah he can sit while we do the boss until you don't care about having 2 mass grips
pallid quiver
honestly, if someone asked me what tank to play if they wanted to start M raiding, I'd always say BDK, on a more serious note than my above shitpost
They just traditionally have always been good/useful on prog due to their ability to soak through dots (though that's been shot a bit) and grips
sharp gale
bdk is solid choice yep there is always the fight where you need 1
just that boss need 2
wicked pollen
to not bench our main tank
make him play blood
sharp gale
if he doesn't want to, a dps will just press "change spec" and that's it
wicked pollen
ig
pallid quiver
i just wish there was a tank spec that let me yank allies
give warrior the utility to punch people or something smh
sharp gale
i would prefer to give us BL
sharp gale
and group spell reflect
sharp gale
but no, i just have a yell that increase hp
sharp gale
<:critcake:984549832511344640>
if you want my side
remote anchor
if you want my side
300 holy
sharp gale
300 holy
now you might know why i say that a guild that gets CE is just a guild that doesn't disband
lofty warren
have pwar compensation buffs for all the nerfs for next patch been announced? ive been doing marvel rival and not keeping up
wicked pollen
there some changes
waxen frigate
honestly, if someone asked me what tank to play if they wanted to start M raidin...
10000%
BDK or brew, but recently more BDK
waxen frigate
have pwar compensation buffs for all the nerfs for next patch been announced? iv...
Who do you main in rivals
sharp gale
She might die Monday or next week 🤷♂️
kind urchin
Only way to really slow APM, is to increase the GCD or give dead GCDs, there is ...
They could make it a build/spend all on GCD and it would lower the apm. I just really don't get why they're so determined to lower the apm after all these years. It's always been a high apm spec.
onyx vessel
so prot warrior got gutted but prot pally the best s2 tank by a landslide got no changes 
heavy sparrow
anyone got a Champion's Spear and Ravager macro
heavy sparrow
what is going on
pallid quiver
anyone got a Champion's Spear and Ravager macro
what do you mean by this, unless you mean cursor macros for them
lofty warren
Who do you main in rivals
Cloaking dagger, dr Stanger, and machine gun squirrel are my go tos
waxen frigate
Cloaking dagger, dr Stanger, and machine gun squirrel are my go tos
ok good nobody i play
lofty warren
I'm top old to be spider man flying around
jagged gust
what is going on
When you have 2 on use trinkets it uses them from top to bottom (I think, can't remember order but I'd check the sim logs) so sims say it's better to use one first over the other
One's a 2min and the other a 1min, so I'm assuming due to the internal 30s CD you wind up getting more uses depending on the order
onyx vessel
onyx vessel
https://tenor.com/view/caillou-gif-18368511
You mean uncle 
jagged gust
You mean uncle <a:keksquad:766690598635044895>
bronze wraith
Are we going to be any good in 11.1? I only see doom and gloom online
sweet summit
🔮
willow edge
Well we got great news of huge rage nerfs. Nothing for weeks and in the last day or so got “while we are continuing to try improve warrior.” And a few adjustments, don’t know if the war changes are live on ptr yet for testing.
true cliff
howdy, what is the best spec to kill zekvir with?
willow edge
Ret paladin
jagged gust
I found it easier with fury
If you can track Brann's dispel prot probably isn't a problem, but Fury just has so many ways to clear the dot
willow edge
I’m fine with mechanical challenges but I hate “I hope your spec has a reliable way to cleanse this slow/dot” off
Tried it as fury which I don’t play regularly. Tried as arms and prot. Best attempt was like 10% as prot.
rancid tiger
limber temple
howdy, what is the best spec to kill zekvir with?
It’s incredibly easy in fury. I went fury, stayed in defensive stance to cover off that I’m not well tuned for defensive play in panic mode when I miss something.
true cliff
Thanks bros
I don’t have weps for either dps spec, if I got some kind of shitty ones could it work out? I’m 636 as prot
red tree
Yes, or just do it as prot. As long as you can burst down the spider you should be fine
onyx vessel
I wonder why our cleanse doesn't remove bleeds for prot spec makes no sense blizzard hates warriors
Ptr has our tier at like 11% uptime in keys
Testing*
willow edge
Avatar is the best we get
When I attempted as prot I saved shield wall and avatar for that
onyx vessel
That got shit on for uptime too
Generate less resource lots of things get much worse in uptime
onyx vessel
Yeah its shit
willow edge
Yeah our tier set uptime looks horrible
onyx vessel
Reroll prot pally and cry
jagged pier
I don’t have weps for either dps spec, if I got some kind of shitty ones could i...
Its very easy as prot
Espeically at that ilvl
Or well should be wonder what your struggle with on it tbh
violet ginkgo
the struggle so far is how do I bait the 1 shot cone? Like for example the egg spawn , I go to egg asap since obviously we have to kill it asap but then he do the cone.
jagged pier
U dont do that
U know spell queuing
Or should if u have a timer
U jist face it away then go to the egg
U have so much time to kill an egg
I even wait to bait stuff away when i did it at 535 or whatever it was
kindred turret
Hi guys - not a specifically prot-related question, but yet: do we as of now know about any profession bonuses for TWW S2 dungeon pool?
Like tailoring for Ara etc.
pallid quiver
Or well should be wonder what your struggle with on it tbh
my struggle was staying awake
my solution was to add very loud sounds
jagged pier
i dunno it was pretty fun but its not content for me so i did find it pretty chill
well expect for like the 2 week where it was impossible that was annoying
pallid quiver
I think it just takes too long overall
willow edge
Hi guys - not a specifically prot-related question, but yet: do we as of now kno...
We haven’t had profession specific buffs for expacs really. Highly doubt they’re gonna add them back ever.
pallid quiver
He means the dungeon benefit stuff
Like Tailors being able to mess with spider corpses in Ara and what-not
kindred turret
Like Tailors being able to mess with spider corpses in Ara and what-not
Correct sir. Meadery should have engineering and alch/cooking stuff, Priory has Paladin/Priest.
unborn island
Question on how BSV works - if I have 10m hp and take a hit for 10m, do I still die, or does it apply the 80% DR to the last 3m, turning it into a 7.6k hit?
IE does the DR only apply once you've been taken under 30% or does it apply to hits which take you under it as well?
jagged pier
it applies to the hit that take u below 30%
so lets say your doing DB 15
and u decide to not press a CD for the beam
for no reason
even tho u have SW and spell block off cd
it will proc on that hit and u wont die
u will go low
but if u take another massive hit or several after u can still die
so u take 10mil
that bring u down to 3mil
then u take 2 more 10 mil hits they might only be 2 mil now
but u gunna die
and say u just bleeding down over time and u hit 30% then take a massive hit were 80% dr isnt enough u gunna die because BSV is already triggered
strong forum
Reminder that bsv still applies 80% damage reduction and 100% increased healing received for 8 sec when it procs*
But there's additional wotn shenanigans going on with how it works, best to ask a dk how it really procs cuz it's wonky af as in, double dipping or some shit cuz 🍝 code
strong forum
LOOO
lilac basalt
Is there a way to check on eg. Warcraftlogs how much more damage (on avg) prot paladin does compared to prot warrior?
jagged pier
in what context?
lilac basalt
I don’t know. I need to know because I was told paladin does a lot more damage. So just for a stupid argument because I don’t like to hear that 😀
jagged pier
i mean its hard to say u cant really compare stuff u can get raid statics where in general outside of pretty much the top 1% paladin is ahead
u can then just go too top damage done on lvl of keys
if i look at paladin for 14 GB and prot for 14 GB theres about a 300k difference in damage
about 500k in mists, they do unforuntatly do more damage the higher the content
cause warriors stop using colossus and run thane which is just less damage
and drop talents such as rav etc so loose even more damage
where paladin dont have too
frigid valley
if i want to up my dam a bit with 1 more button do i want ravager or spear? (keys)
jagged pier
jagged pier
if i want to up my dam a bit with 1 more button do i want ravager or spear? (key...
both because they are different trees
so its not one or the other
frigid valley
1 more button
jagged pier
thats not a good enough answer tbh make another key bind
lilac basalt
Or you can macro them 🤭
lilac basalt
Jk jk sorry
jagged pier
as u dont cast them in sequence
lilac basalt
I mean you can, but probably shouldn’t
remote anchor
big dam if you slam them together
lilac basalt
And looks dope af as well
jagged pier
nope your loosing damage
becuase u arent setting up a demo shout in between
or probably pressing avatar inbetween or before
remote anchor
mods
jagged pier
<@&257983573498265600>
lilac basalt
I don’t understand why it’s losing damage.
Ravager, charge, tc, spear, avatar, tc… or something wouldn’t work?
jagged pier
in that case your missing out of ticks of rav being under both demo and avatar
and spear
charge rav demo/avatar spear means u get evrything expect 1 tick of rav
under both demo damage increase
and avatar damage increase
and then everything after spear in all 3 things
lilac basalt
Oh avatar increases the dmg of the ravager even if it’s deployed before using the cd??
jagged pier
i dont know why you would spear outside of avatar that sounds very dumb
jagged pier
Oh avatar increases the dmg of the ravager even if it’s deployed before using th...
yes
same as any damage amp
frigid valley
both because they are different trees
ok fair point, my question came out as i been playing roar, so triple end nodes seemed bit extreme, should i drop roar for spear then i suppose you are saying
lilac basalt
Uhh thanks. I learned something today then 🙂
jagged pier
ok fair point, my question came out as i been playing roar, so triple end nodes ...
depends on crit
frigid valley
running 12k crit Unbuffed
jagged pier
and that % is?
wicked pollen
23%/
frigid valley
23.92
wicked pollen
what does the robot say
jagged pier
yer its probably a sim question
at least with spear u can take all nodes u cant with roar
atm
u can next patch
frigid valley
il easily be 25% after 2-3 more crest upgradings
out of fucking valorstones constantly
sim says +/- 0 on singletarget and spear for 5t 5m
wicked pollen
then play whatver you want
frigid valley
imo every ground target ability needs to get the earthquake/shadowcrast treatment
remote anchor
how do they work?
frigid valley
u can talent between them being mousetargeting effects or at current target
remote anchor
thats pretty cool yea
i think the problem with spear is that its also cc
and pvp wouldnt like that
but just disable it in pvp
frigid valley
frigid valley
and pvp wouldnt like that
i mean its the same ability you just opt for what u want
drowsy narwhal
hello, what 2 professions would you guys suggest to have for prot warriors? (assuming one doesnt want alts)
jagged pier
literally doesnt matter anymore
sharp gale
Im alch and herb but yeah it doesn’t really matter tbh
drowsy narwhal
care to explain in which way it doesnt matter?
from research it seems alchemy gives 2x runtime for example
sharp gale
Just spend more gold, is it really player power ?
drowsy narwhal
idk, answering my question with a question 😄
i guess if it is your last flask, then it is one?
sharp gale
But yeah alch gives more time on flasks
drowsy narwhal
so you guys dont do on the side optimization like skinning
sharp gale
Don’t need to be engineer for battle Rez this expac, idk why I would do skinning
remote anchor
i guess if it is your last flask, then it is one?
your flask being 1 or 2 hours doesnt make you stronger
just broker
drowsy narwhal
i mean, technically, if u are in a raid and you cant go get new flasks, isnt your strength for a longer period the same as you are being stronger than someoen who doesnt have that duration?
sharp gale
i dont even flask for anything outside of raid and they are provided by the guil...
Me too, and I just raid log, so each raid I still have 2 hours flask buff but still gets the cauldron
jagged pier
it makes 0 difference i have the same buff all the time
sharp gale
i mean, technically, if u are in a raid and you cant go get new flasks, isnt you...
Duration = more or less gold to spend, it is not a strength to spend 1k less gold (idk what is normal duration)
jagged pier
600 now
wild chasm
At this point professions are more for making money than utility. You can have some like nitro boost or wormholes from engi, but that’s not entirely making you more op, just… Utility.
sharp gale
And I’m herb to open in mist if you wanted to know
drowsy narwhal
okay, the question differently phrased, what 2 professions do you guys recommend for utility or goldmaking, if there are no combat relevant advantages?
sharp gale
okay, the question differently phrased, what 2 professions do you guys recommend...
If you do m+ choose professions for that, like herb in mist, engineer in city of threads, whatever it is in ara
wild chasm
Enchanting was making quite good money at start of expac and prolly insc making treatises still does stuff
wild chasm
If you do m+ choose professions for that, like herb in mist, engineer in city of...
We’re not sure what will be useful in Season 2 though
And those dungs will go away in a month so
sharp gale
We’re not sure what will be useful in Season 2 though
Ofc you just drop them and take the new ones
You don’t need to move from dornogal to lvl enough for the things
drowsy narwhal
okay, thanks, i guess you guys are rich from playing for years or sth that you dont optimize the professions
sharp gale
I optimize my professions for what I do
remote anchor
okay, thanks, i guess you guys are rich from playing for years or sth that you d...
no but i have a job and if i need gold i can get it
sharp gale
Which is not spend more gold and the second option is whatever dungeon I want to do the profession gimmick
jagged pier
i dont optimize professions because i cant be arsed
and trying to become a crafter nowadays is a might as well not bother
the cartels are out there
sharp gale
Yeah maybe optimize is too big of a word
drowsy narwhal
no but i have a job and if i need gold i can get it
most people do, but like if you are already doing the content, might as well get the free coins or whatever, but got your point, thanks
jagged pier
and they have enough in reserve for the rest of the expansion to sell
sharp gale
Ah if we talk about gold making professions, that’s a big no for me, I don’t spend my time doing something I don’t have fun
native ember