was only 3 dps (me included), 2 healers and 1 tank who hadnt done it before
#protection
tardy abyss
We would be close to killing queen if not for random shitters suddenly going mia 
But its also insane what expectations people have nowadays
strong forum
its so dumb tho how both of those bosses are literally just "learn p1 dance and then boss dies"
tardy abyss
But most of them werent
strong forum
thats obv a diff story then
tardy abyss
Our recruiters also said that they were rocking 70% parses on the farm bosses
So pretty dogshit actually
strong forum
tardy abyss
At least you can teach them the game usually
remote anchor
idk parses for first 4 this tier are not very telling about someone skill
sikran maybe
remote anchor
my entire bb parse is from popping everything on adds
tardy abyss
And even if you dont pad you can easily do a 90%+ parse
strong forum
i mean theyre the most competetive cuz theyre getting killed the most, so getting a top10 parse on those is pretty indicative
tardy abyss
95% even
But Im sure that our recruiters dont only look at dps but also defensives and consumables
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Usually more important anyway
jagged pier
i need to get in on your pugs once a week gaming is goated
Not that ill be good enough but oh well 
tardy abyss
Its about the friends you make along the way
jagged pier
im very abrasive ppl tend to not like me
tardy abyss
abrasive or direct
jagged pier
some would say thats the same
tardy abyss
Thats why Im asking haha
arctic cloud
anyone got some ptr talents for prot?
jagged pier
the same as now
sharp gale
They have 4/8 and wanna jump straight into a multiple CE guild
They can’t handle a boss being 3 digits number of pulls
tardy abyss
They can’t handle a boss being 3 digits number of pulls
They would be benched before that even happens
arctic cloud
the same as now
this one is changed
remote anchor
They can’t handle a boss being 3 digits number of pulls
i mean thats also the pool you have to recruit from if you are a lower end ce guild
arctic cloud
Ahh alr
karmic plinth
this one is changed
jagged pier
yes
karmic plinth
or u can do the same for spear if u want
arctic cloud
Ahh alr
karmic plinth
ptr is good to test
jagged pier
u should really go spear for the rage imo
sharp gale
i mean thats also the pool you have to recruit from if you are a lower end ce gu...
Take ppl who already did 3 digits bosses and didn’t quit the game, if you don’t want to recruit 3 weeks after again
arctic cloud
sooo you thi0nk this build is better?
jagged pier
well i wouldnt run bsv
tardy abyss
Take ppl who already did 3 digits bosses and didn’t quit the game, if you don’t ...
Sometimes you dont have the option to choose
jagged pier
but thats personal preference
karmic plinth
sooo you thi0nk this build is better?
id recommend dropping bsv for ravager but its your call
remote anchor
Sometimes you dont have the option to choose
yea ofc you would take someone thats way overqualified
tardy abyss
yea ofc you would take someone thats way overqualified
Depends how overqualified
arctic cloud
id recommend dropping bsv for ravager but its your call
karmic plinth
yer thats probably safe
arctic cloud
alr
karmic plinth
if you want to test things id probably swap out into the fray for heavy reprecussions and swap defenders aegis and impenetrable wall around but like each has their benefits and downsides
sharp gale
I think if I could do some m+ on ptr, I would try to have spear (1capstone) and roar to try
karmic plinth
is aegis just flat out better for uptime
sharp gale
Is it though
If you press on cd wall? Idk what is the cd on ptr
tardy abyss
Didnt expect the ss reset nerf to be that extreme in gameplay
jagged pier
well it is
tardy abyss
Ouch
jagged pier
u have to wait for full cd resets atm
karmic plinth
Didnt expect the ss reset nerf to be that extreme in gameplay
its really everything for the spec
tardy abyss
So not only do we have less rage for ip and whatever but wall is up only half as often 
jagged pier
i mean u dont have the rage for IP
tardy abyss
Any bets that pwar will be the worst tank for super high keys next season
jagged pier
u IP u have dead globals u die
tardy abyss
ye
jagged pier
u dont press IP to fish for SS resets u also die
sharp gale
Brew still exist to be the worst
sharp gale
They still have stagger
cerulean tusk
Warrior will still be able to do 10s and mythic raid, stop dooming
karmic plinth
brew gets a more fun tier set
cerulean tusk
Then play aug
jagged pier
Warrior will still be able to do 10s and mythic raid, stop dooming <:Rampage:592...
yer but it will be really unfun which is te big problem
tardy abyss
I will be rerolling to dps for S2 anyway
cerulean tusk
tardy abyss
Cba
remote anchor
based
tardy abyss
Tanking is more fun but it is what it is
cerulean tusk
Jakey think blizzard isnt removing fun on purpose
remote anchor
i only tank keys to not have some freak random tanking
sharp gale
I will be rerolling to dps for S2 anyway
I tried to dps some keys, I can’t wait 30 min to do a key anymore, I gave up
jagged pier
I will be rerolling to dps for S2 anyway
no dont do that bliz are trying to make it easier on tanks because there arent enough of them
tardy abyss
no dont do that bliz are trying to make it easier on tanks because there arent e...
I really cba playing ppal
cerulean tusk
If they remove the BDK nerfs of BS and DS, I will play tank more 
cerulean tusk
It aint hard, just clunky atm
no flow, very CD based
No extreme risk gameplay, you got to play it super safe
BDK is dead, funwise
Soon Pwarr is dead, funwise
rest of the tanks I dont find fun
Guess I wont tank 🤷
sharp gale
BDK is dead, funwise
Is it Bear tier fun ?
karmic plinth
Is it Bear tier fun ?
completely passive
your druid spells cast another druid spell at 125% effectiveness
sharp gale
That’s why I ask, bear is a.k.a the worst fun tank since it exist
tardy abyss
Pwar is legit the only tank that I find really interesting, BDK is fine
cerulean tusk
So your theory is: they nerfing the fun of all tanks, so more ppl just play bear - cause it is the new "at leat it is more fun than..." spec?
Makes sense to me
jagged pier
Bears never been fun
sharp gale
No i just ask if bdk fell at bear lvl of fun which is the lowest
cerulean tusk
Soon they will be unfun, but more fun that the rest
just you wait
Blizz will make it happen
big W design
hardy snow
Bears never been fun
I liked SL catweaving in Nathria and Sanctum
karmic plinth
i think its fun when u can weave
jagged pier
u weave right meow
sharp gale
I liked SL catweaving in Nathria and Sanctum
You talk about tank in raid, it is not fun to tank in raid in the first place
sharp gale
One hand on keyboard, the other on my cheek and I’m staring at my reflection
oh i have to taunt a mech that doesn’t change since 1767
karmic plinth
u weave right meow
i like the design of the current weaving talents just wish they were more worth taking in dungeon over non weaving
cerulean tusk
I am sure you will gain DPS by boomkin weaving as always
just not worth the hassle - as always
karmic plinth
moonkin weaving isnt as worth it now bc of stuff like the arcane amp talents as bear and u dont take convoke for dungeons
cerulean tusk
Suprising, thought the starfalls would make it worth
karmic plinth
dotc has talents that amp catweaving so u can hit a like 230% increased bite
cerulean tusk
Catweaving requires you to be in melee, so sounds kinda impractical
karmic plinth
theres talents that give u the bear form stuff as cat for like 8s but ur not crit immune as a cat
cerulean tusk
Meh, just go boomkin, take 0 dam so 100% dam reduction, and do damage
chicken best weave
sharp gale
Does bear still have 10 talents to make a 2 or 3 min cd a nuclear button ?
sharp gale
Yeah but does it still require to take 3-4 talents with the same icon to make it useful
sharp gale
I thought they changed the icons since, guess not lol
civic spoke
Prot Pal, and Blood DK on PTR able to get the tank dummy to 63 stacks, struggling at 33 on Prot Warr
ugh
tardy abyss
Prot Pal, and Blood DK on PTR able to get the tank dummy to 63 stacks, strugglin...
Pwar is not comparable since it doesnt have as much selfheal
civic spoke
I'm able to get 30 stacks on live tho, so its just weird feeling
especially being in 660 gear
ionic fern
Prot Pal, and Blood DK on PTR able to get the tank dummy to 63 stacks, strugglin...
That's fishy.
I was just sitting there getting hit and i was pretty chill at 30.
Imagine if i actually tried staying alive.
jagged pier
spring cedar
you would have gotten to, at least, 31
vocal cave
Whats the point of having different forum for different regions in 2k25? Has anyone seen any recruitation on these?
ionic fern
US gets attention and responses.
EU is just there so they can say "but we have EU forum".
wicked pollen
owned
real crypt
are the changes to prot up now on the 11.1 ptr?
jagged pier
yes
frozen berry
I’ve already started a DH in case they don’t revert the changes
jagged pier
i mean there might be more changes
its very unlikely they revert these
because its not how bliz wants the spec to play
chilly brook
channel about as dead as the spec
Still more helpful than the DH discord lmao
jagged pier
cause im here of course
tribal wharf
if keys dropped bodys you could canabalize i would live out zombie pwar dream
chilly brook
I've tried having someone look at some logs twice now and it's crickets
I just wanna know if I'm doing ok and what I need to fix
:pepehands
chilly brook
because its not how bliz wants the spec to play
They can keep it tbh, I'll just go play DH
remote anchor
its also a big ask for people to look over some guys logs
jagged pier
its not
chilly brook
And they literally have an entire system for it
🤔
I would think if it was a "big ask" they wouldn't have log review channel
pallid quiver
personally i prefer prot logs to just be dumped here just due to the sheer saturation of DPS spec logs in log review
pallid quiver
I only do when someone says there's one there
remote anchor
people usually get told to be specific about what they want looked at
pallid quiver
I
haven't really seen any of that in here
Like, we'll tell people to drop logs so we can find the specific things
And then we can direct people to most immediate improvement
jagged pier
ppl complain, they squishy or not doing damage or dying
we tell them to drop logs
and its always the same things
low APM
wasted rage
wrong talents
pallid quiver
don't forget hating pressing defensive CDs
jagged pier
falls under low APM
remote anchor
ig i mean dps logs
vocal cave
healers fault, always
pallid quiver
Probably, but there's been a good few recently who actuall are at decent speeds and spending, but just
aren't pressing shield wall
pallid quiver
healers fault, always
tbh unless it's not pressing a defensive, you can go a long way with this mindset
Feels real bad to say, though
tardy abyss
Not pressing SW when playing IW is so wild
Tho lots of people who come here play aegis anyway
pallid quiver
Don't worry, we won't be playing IW next season most likely in current climate predictions
Aegis will just be better in every way since the CDR won't be enough to outpace the CDR attached to Aegis in any meaningful way
so then you get the same level of CDR and the choice of back to back walls
tardy abyss
Thinking about the nerfs makes me angy
tardy abyss
And I dont give a fuck about a lot of things tbf
pallid quiver
head cannon my warrior finally died when ansurek killed him. after all these years, killed by some random spider
hate to see it
vocal cave
tbh unless it's not pressing a defensive, you can go a long way with this mindse...
hp dropped to 0, healers fault 
pallid quiver
Can also blame DPS, too
If they just kicked/did more damage, I wouldn't have been casted on
vocal cave
I like your logic, healers and dps fault
tardy abyss
Not many cases where missed kicks could kill tank
Only DB I believe?
And I guess SV
pallid quiver
I'm quoting a specific scenario I've seen from Ulda
the person in question didn't even die to said cast; they got hit from behind by like 2-3 mobs and exploded
remember, kids, don't take back hits in high keys; that's how you die
vocal cave
remember, kids, don't take back hits in high keys; that's how you die
what if my weapons are sheathed and shield is on my back?
pallid quiver
shields on your back are fake
you're seeing things
I recommend visiting the therapist of your choice
Unfortunately, the visit will likely result in your being euthanized, but it is the only possible outcome. I apologize for the grim fate that awaits you.
vocal cave
damn gotta hit that vet now
did you guys participate in heroic testing?
is this boss new ovinax? 2 bdks locked in?
jagged pier
if there are adds at least 1 bdk will be required
hollow flower
how important is the .7 ring in raid?
tardy abyss
We are only gonna do the full normal raid test
Just wanna see what the encounters are like
vocal cave
I have like 6/8 M on my warr which is my main cause I literally have to be grip "lady" on ovinax and silken
very fun
tardy abyss
hollow flower
its a next tier ring this tier
what gems should i use for raid and m+?
vocal cave
skipper, fathom and either thunderlord or whatever all stats is called iirc
jagged pier
what gems should i use for raid and m+?
the stat ones
vocal cave
also did you guys notice blizz deliberately forced warr gameplay to slow down while pally gets set that makes it faster
double standards I guess
pallid quiver
Prot Pala wasn't even notably slow compared to Prot War, either; they were both high APM specs
but people don't complain about it as much on Prot Pala. Probably because SOTR does damage directly would be my guess
vocal cave
all tanks are
pallid quiver
so it doesn't feel as bad to press
VDH is not a particularly high APM spec
It's melee-fast
Melee as a whole is faster than casters and ranged,
but there's ones that standout even more
waxen frigate
I have like 6/8 M on my warr which is my main cause I literally have to be grip ...
I finally got 8/8 on my monk this week 😭
I was down horrendous being 7/8
heavy sparrow
I noticed that in high keys prot warriros had been switching to thunderous roars for bleeds rather than chains for burst
tardy abyss
I noticed that in high keys prot warriros had been switching to thunderous roars...
Could be because it sims higher for them
It does for me too cuz I dont have enough crit
heavy sparrow
I'll end up simming when I get off work but
after completing a +12 (didn;t time ):), I can understand why since it's 45 second CD if you spec into it so has higher upkeep and can actually rotate off the health cause tyrannical and fortified
my only interpretation tho
heavy sparrow
ahhh
pallid quiver
also it's easier to use roar, and the damage difference isn't really that big
gives you a snap aggro option more often, as well
It's not the absolute most damage wise, but
optimizing tank damage is not what makes high keys break or not
heavy sparrow
definitely crowd control and aggro would
I'mma start using it to get from 2600 to 3k
unborn island
Noticed some people running battle scarred veteran on higher keys, would you drop ravager to take that? I can't see any other option...
ionic nimbus
Jep
unborn island
Is that the meta then? I think having essentially a cheat death would be quite pro, and I'm not sure how much damage ravager actually does.
All the guides still seem to have ragafer, so who knows
jagged gust
Its good safety net for when you fuck up, but it isn't necessary at any level
If it actually was a cheat death it would be a lot easier to argue nerfing yourself to take it
iron atlas
How do you guys make sure you're auto attacking in big pulls? I sometimes find myself just standing there like a fool when a mob is out of range for example
limber maple
I love battlescared over ravager because it gives me another safety net and god do I need them (speaking as someone trying to get 14's done)
iron atlas
when i cant press anythign
I can always press something, though 😄 I just have a hard time seeing if I'm actually autoatacking in a large pack
strong forum
When you can't press shield slam, that's when you're out of range, or when shield slam turns red
Unless you are ofc using a shit UI that doesn't turn your limited range ability red when it's out of range 🙂
trail halo
not trying to doom scroll, but what are yalls opinions are better tank choices for 11.1?
i have a brewmaster alt, it seems to play similar to prot warr as well
i hate some of monks button bloat tho
strong forum
Dunno I haven't looked at anyone else, but I heard other tanks are getting buffed with pwar the only being nerfed
Monk is not any more bloat than pwar is
Their "bloat" is just more rotational where pwar bloat is amount of defensive cds
trail halo
yeah i guess you're right there
prot warr, which i'm more familiar with too, just seems like i have a use for all the buttons
i'm also partial to playing undead race, so that warr monk or dk
dk pretty much takes away the little bit that's special about undead tho
strong forum
And it's dk
jagged gust
Undead^2
trail halo
idk.. the nerfs to prot make me so sad
strong forum
Scared of every single melee attack
trail halo
i don't like blood, i tried it some, but i used to main unholy so dk is cool
strong forum
Dunno I prefer my health not to move at all instead of being moved by a mob in a +2
Ic
trail halo
but yeah
prob brewmaster or just tough it out and complain about prot being in a bad spot
it'll prob be the latter...
strong forum
Is rly up to you but not much will change for me. I play colossus rn cuz thane is bland and just does less dmg
And colossus is rotationally less affected than thane by these nerfs
trail halo
^ that's a good idea
i liked the ADHD of thane, but if that's gone, colossus prob worth trying again
strong forum
Idk I just hate thane for its weak aoe dps
strong forum
Colossus gets those meaty demolishs and revenge casts
trail halo
i thought i was good dps on prot warr
but i've saw our guilds blood dk do some stupid shit
with blood is life on aoe and straight up death strike on st
strong forum
Whereas Thane only every so often gets it's TB (which does as much as 1 revenge)
Yes bdk is dmg king
trail halo
its wild
i'm gonna try colossus tho
my biggest gripe is demolish just feels weird to me
strong forum
What happens when you have a tank that isn't as hard capped as pwar
trail halo
it needs a better sound or something with it
strong forum
I enjoy demolish more ever since I track it's dmg properly
jagged gust
I want more obvious graphics, I press demolish and just assume it's doing something because I can't see it
trail halo
^
strong forum
So I can see the 15-25mil demolishs in aoe
trail halo
i'll have to watch that
strong forum
The dmg meter is rly where you notice the difference
Or well, the satisfaction of colossus
strong forum
Cuz thane you fullsend your dmg and you're at like 3mil dps on pull, meanwhile colossus fullsends with 6mil
trail halo
but i statted way hard haste crit to just play bass keyboard
strong forum
How much do you regularly do in m+
strong forum
Yeah that's an oof
This is my alt war with 610-614 ilvl this week
Lots of room for improvement there slaw
trail halo
yeah that's awesome
i'll try out colossal
what's the talent you're tracking the dmg of there?
so i can find a weak aura
strong forum
All of them
But from what I can see you're not pressing buttons fast enough on your logs
I can go more into detail if you want to improve more
Cuz barely 600k dps with 635 is uh
Leaving things to be desired
My best ST log on my main is 1.4mil dps on sikran as tank
trail halo
thats badass man
looks like your guild is quite a bit stronger than mine as well
probably helps with fights ending a bit faster
thanks again i'll look up some builds for colossal
jagged gust
My best ST log on my main is 1.4mil dps on sikran as tank
Nomer's prot warrior is in the 98th percentile of heroic fury warrior
jagged gust
Why do we even bring DPS at this point?
strong forum
(heroic)
Bro I highrolled so hard on that boss
My log is borderline unbeatable
Perfect killtime + started execute with 8 stacks of juggernaut
Only way to beat that log is if you kill the boss in 40 or less seconds
jagged gust
If I'm reading this right it's only 50% crit rate on Demo?
strong forum
Yeah it appears so
jagged gust
Weird how only one of the 2 first strikes can crit
old flame
Any pointers on switching to Colossus from thane? It feels slow and a bit squishy every time I play it.
jagged gust
not can't but fails to?
old flame
I'd probably need some logs for analysis, but from a flow perspective is it mostly SS and revenge fishing for resets and spamming IP less?
strong forum
Yeah
Colossus is mostly just SS-revenge spam
With tc as filler
Cuz revenge hits real hard
And intermittent IPing
I don't rly feel squishier on colossus outside of magic/unblockable heavy dungeons
Like GB is defo thane favoured before first boss
And dawnbreaker is also thane favoured with the bosses and mobs all sending magic dmg 24/7
jagged pier
unless the nerf some of the dungeons next season they gunna be rough on warrior let alone colossus
lilac basalt
What makes thane better against magic?
strong forum
40-60% more rage generation
8% DR from thunderblast
5% extra DR on Demo shout
The extra magic dmg reduction on d-stance where colossus rather plays best served cold for revenge dmg
And you dump a whole lot more of the extra rage into IP
lilac basalt
Ah so that’s why most play it I guess.
I’m pretty demotivated to play my warrior with the coming changes. I loved the play style and feel betrayed 😅
But maybe colossus might feel better then next season?
strong forum
Don't be too down for now, it's the first round of changes, the new season isn't until March
Kalm
Lots of things will and are still coming
lilac basalt
Hopefully 🤞
strong forum
But yes colossus is less affected by the SS proc chance nerf as we spam revenge already anyway
So it's not as noticeable
Thane however will press a lot more revenge than currently
It's not just TC/TB in your aoe rotation now, revenge will actually overtake SS in aoe dmg breakdown even as thane
silent comet
@jagged pier Gladiator stance when?
jagged pier
<@179993058186625025> Gladiator stance when?
strong forum
its gonna affect the invites you get
glass sequoia
Not when there's NO tanks
ember token
Unless less tanks plays and they take any to even play
glass sequoia
Literally NO tanks in queues even for 12s
jagged pier
i would rather us not be able to tank a 10 and be fun to play. than viable and this trash
glass sequoia
some 2500 ragnaros player signs up
I hadn't played prot since the start of season
I hopped in a 12 and felt really vulnerable compared to before
went to watchs ome of sense's vods
and he was getting trucked too
i can only imagine how bad shit is gonna be once 11.1 hits if prot doesn't get any love
obviously there's a difference between a shitter tanking a 12 vs. one of the best prots in the world
silent comet
https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850
ionic fern
It was fine before..both were working in all content
But noooo,they had to mess with it.
Smh
jagged pier
lets just see if we get anything else, and pray if we do it doesnt come a day before the patch
tardy abyss
I hopped in a 12 and felt really vulnerable compared to before
12s dont do anything unless youre undergeared tho
jagged pier
well yes but they might change some things and playstyle well doesnt gets fixed
but get better
tardy abyss
Just watch them make IP absorb 60% instead of 50%
And call that a fix
Pardon, they would only up it to 55%
jagged pier
it used to be 90%
tardy abyss
With these changes it should be at least 80% tbh
If we are not gonna be able to keep IP up properly / its a risk pressing then it better absorb a lot more
Doesnt change the fact it will feel horrible to play but
glass sequoia
12s dont do anything unless youre undergeared tho
nah I'm geared to the teeth man
I'm just a dogshit tank, it's an unfortunate reality
jagged pier
remote anchor
key your group is listed as or key you have usually
heavy sparrow
ty Ark
glass sequoia
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148897941883584512/1101161481791...
amen, i am the shit tank
onyx vessel
cerulean tusk
Why is the DPS doing tank DPS, the tank doing healer DPS?
waxen frigate
Just watch them make IP absorb 60% instead of 50%
Didn’t this happen
cerulean tusk
I mean, up it to 100%, and things not any better
strong forum
50% is better than 100%
strong forum
50% also means our actual health and healing aren't just cosmetic
A 50% 1mil absorb is much more valuable than a 1mil 100% absorb
strong forum
What matters is the size of the shield
cerulean tusk
strong forum
It's the IP per cast and the cap which makes it strong or weak
If IP capped at our max hp, imagine how broken that would be for raid
And the insane BrV value
All of a sudden we're beyond turbo tank
waxen frigate
But to an extent there is a diminishing return on real value in this hypothetical
cerulean tusk
So what you are saying is, increase it to 100% and reduce the total max by 50%, blizz taking notes and fix is coming asap
strong forum
No but when their goal is to use IP less and revenge more
Then we need IP to be stronger
frozen berry
with less rage you need everything to be stronger
cerulean tusk
I am confused, how will we revenge more?
strong forum
Cuz SS reset chance lowered
Meaning you have more globals to spend
Meaning revenge
Cuz tc has a CD
SS has a CD
Revenge is your only option
cerulean tusk
... but, without reset, do we have the rage to revenge in those "freed" gcds?
cerulean tusk
But I already dont have the rage in my build :(
cerulean tusk
Already am, it is called not playing pwarr when I want to play for fun
And I play for fun
:v
strong forum
Cuz pressing IP at the wrong time is now twice as painful
Pwar becomes more punishing next patch
cerulean tusk
I "love" when that happens to my tanks
strong forum
Not like pwar is already the most punishing tank by design since... Legion
cerulean tusk
BDK feel so much "better" to play, after they hardlocked all into CD managment. I am sure Pwarr will feel "great" too
strong forum
It's early in the PTR cycle, changes will and are still coming in
But at this very moment, pwar is factually more punishing when it comes to your general rotation on PTR
cerulean tusk
I am sure the devs will follow the goal of: leave it more fun to play, than we started off with on live
strong forum
lilac basalt
They could spend just 10 minutes on the class discord and they could avoid this mess and have a better idea what to change compared to live (if anything)
jagged pier
nope because this isnt where the average prot warriors are
if they come here they will revert back to the fast APM which is not what they want
cerulean tusk
They are aware of 'our' opinions, we are not the only data point and they (hopefully) got an overarching goal that they are following
lilac basalt
I am below average and I am still here 😀
jagged pier
what makes u think that?
cerulean tusk
I think you are underestimating what is average
lilac basalt
I am a dad playing only in the evening and the highest key I did was an untimed 10…
jagged pier
thats abve average for a wow player
cerulean tusk
That would put you in what, upper 80% of the mass?
jagged pier
all 8s in time
is top 33%
of chars in mythic +
so thats not even players u hgiher than that
cerulean tusk
So upper 80 sounds about right, for untimed 10s
cerulean tusk
Well, at least you now know Ulimn, you are above average :v
lilac basalt
Hmm I don’t know.. https://raider.io/characters/eu/ragnaros/Zahard
lilac basalt
Surprising tbh
cerulean tusk
And that is excluding the ones who dont play M+, and including the extreme alts who push up the avg
Ye, it is unreal when you get the wakeup call
I always think myself as bottom feeder, yet if I look at the data I am in the 10% to 1%
It is always surreal
jagged pier
yer ppl really did just see themselves as the generall line of a player when in reality most players panic in like a +4 and lfr
and just generally do mount farm and tmog runs
cerulean tusk
I met ppl who said "Oh, WoW, yea I do M+. Want to play?" I agree, and to my suprise, they were talking about +2-5s as "doing M+"
jagged pier
ive had to explain this alot over the years it not just you dont worry
but if it wasnt for the casuals the game would have died in shadowlands they literally kept the lights on with their tmog farming
they didnt care about korthia and the trash systems
cerulean tusk
Korthia spits
flat wasp
good morning all, new tank here and have a couple quick questions on M+ Builds.
- The Wowhead M+ Builds use 1/2 endurance traing. The extra heal and self cleanse from bitter immunity seems really good though, what is the theorycraft behind using endurance training?
- The same build uses violent outburst over battle scarred veteran. What is the theorycraft behind this one as well
Not disagreeing, just trying to understand the underlying thought processes. Thanks!
lilac basalt
Just from my pov re battle scarred veteran:
my health on prot warrior doesn’t really drop below 30% so having it seems like a waste
jagged pier
good morning all, new tank here and have a couple quick questions on M+ Builds. ...
well u have an extra talent point there, it can go into cruel strikes if u want 5% stam is literally nothing and literally wont doing anything, so getting an extra 5% but loosing a spear capstone or UF u loose more than u gain
and in terms of not dropping VB
you would be far weaker
bnecause of the rage generation that VBs give u
which is why u ither drop rav (still not a good choice) or sheild charge (also not a good choice) for BSV
cerulean tusk
BSV is a nice safety blanket, for when you just chillin' or testing pullsizes. You replace BSV and Ravager, not outburst tho.
jagged pier
u just drop one type of tankiness for another to take bsv
flat wasp
bnecause of the rage generation that VBs give u
I see so the rage generation from Violent outburst is the key?
jagged pier
and ontop of all the loose VB would mean u loose a tone of damage
cerulean tusk
And the dopamine of big number on screen
flat wasp
Thanks everyone, that makes sense
cerulean tusk
Bit offtopic, will Pwarr get a real bighit? Col feels weak, when BDK got em juicy 12million DS crits
flat wasp
One last question and Ill stop with the newbiew stuff for now. Shield block obviously has a gap in coverage due to CD. What is the best way to manage that? Use them early in pulls and then switch to IP and other CDs for the last half? Spread them out evenly? Open with Demo shout then switch to SBlock?
tardy abyss
Youre not supposed to have shield block gaps
cerulean tusk
Fire them away, we love them. Now, you should have 0 gaps and 100% uptime
tardy abyss
Youre probably playing Into The Fray while having low haste
flat wasp
Im playing heavy repurcussions, but Im still seeing some gaps here and there.
pallid quiver
One last question and Ill stop with the newbiew stuff for now. Shield block obvi...
There's multiple ways to get ir extend shield block time in the talent tree
pallid quiver
If you run into gaps with HR, you are desperately needing to press more buttons
jagged pier
not if u are having gaps with HR
cerulean tusk
Just making sure, you got enduring defences?
flat wasp
yes
pallid quiver
You are generally not sending your CDs on CD (Shield Charge gives SB uptime) and not pressing SS on CD when it resets (HR mkes it extend SB)
flat wasp
I know this sounds really bad, Ive been doing this a wek so its VERY new
pallid quiver
With HR, with any amount if stats, you can comfortably hit 100% SB uptime
pallid quiver
As long as you have 3 of the 4 SB talents selected, you'll have 100% uptime
cerulean tusk
Hm, sounds like you are either:
- Not using shieldslam when it procs
- not fishing for procs, with revenge/clap on CD when you cant SS
pallid quiver
In general, those should br HR, Enduring Defenses, and Champion's Bulwark
lilac basalt
What gave me problems was not knowing that applying SB multiple times extends and not overrides the duration.
Also, shield charge is wonderful for SB
cerulean tusk
^ fair point, do remember to just overlap shieldblock applications
flat wasp
wait, if I SB it extends the timer?
flat wasp
so basically just SB every time its available?
tardy abyss
so basically just SB every time its available?
Depends if you need the rage for IP or not
jagged pier
x3 the duration
flat wasp
well crap, that alone is part of my issue. I was letting it come close to expiring?
cerulean tusk
Kinda yes, you can safely do it in most cases - do it for now, for ease of play
jagged pier
that depends on if u have ED if u dont its 18 if u do its 24
flat wasp
I do
jagged pier
if u run bolster that will just add an extra 20 over what u have even beyond cap but only if u press bolster other wise its x3 the cap
tardy abyss
TIL bolster works that way
flat wasp
wow, thanks so much. That one fact changes things so much
cerulean tusk
Ulimm hitting with em necessary facts like a boss, that I take for granted
tardy abyss
Its the things you kinda forget even tho theyre important
lilac basalt
I started tanking this season so I am probably much closer to this new phase than you all 😀
cerulean tusk
And will prob stop with S2 <:keks:936231610850897992>
tardy abyss
#MakePWarGreatAgain
tardy abyss
Its (kinda) great atm
obsidian girder
Bring back heroic strike #neverforget
lilac basalt
Yeah I think it’s pretty stable and feels good to play atm
cerulean tusk
Bring back heroic strike #neverforget
obsidian girder
obsidian girder
https://tenor.com/view/no-lafuddyduddy-spray-spraying-gif-17316641
😛
tardy abyss
Jakey would approve
cerulean tusk
What if IP was just a toggable, that auto consumed rage when it hit 100 for a shield?
I fixed the bloat issue, thank me later, I am here all day
lilac basalt
Quick, someone call the dev team!
tardy abyss
Start of pulls would be even scarier
obsidian girder
There was an addon in vanilla, called hateme - off tank tanked whole onyxia and MC with it. It did all the buttons
cerulean tusk
"We heard this idea, and we implemented it... to balance this, we increased the rage cost of all abilities by 15"
cerulean tusk
They got to make it all feel worse, so they can implement a new change later that feels good
Standard practise
hearty narwhal
how's prot in 11.1? is it too bad?
cerulean tusk
It will get the job done, in M raid and your vault keys. It just plays in a less fun way
hearty narwhal
It will get the job done, in M raid and your vault keys. It just plays in a less...
because of rage generation?
tardy abyss
yup
Gotta fish a lot more to get rage
So it feels a lot slower overall
Less rage gen = less rage to spend = cds are up less
cerulean tusk
We still fill our GCDs tho, so it is al just a feelsbad - not the great "cpm" fix of the century
cerulean tusk
When I tested, I had no dead GCDs? I need to go back
lilac basalt
Don’t we use revenge when we would have dead globals?
jagged gust
The new +30 rage talent node is real handy, cuz now you need to pool a min 80 rage at all times to simply fund your revenge spam
jagged pier
well not all the time anymore which is why u get dead globals
lilac basalt
Doesnt it say in the guide to apply IP at around 60-80% rage?
cerulean tusk
On live we dump it around that, ya
jagged pier
brah theres trash mobs that hit u for 10 mil damage in the new dungeons atm
u cant always pool for that
lilac basalt
Ohh
jagged pier
amount of rage
tardy abyss
Thing is, with the lower chance to reset you very quickly run into the issue that you dont even have enough rage to spam revenge for a reset
After an IP that is
cerulean tusk
So, I heard bear is fine this time of year guys
What is the druid discord called?
Mew mew, I got the name ready, uwu pawpaw
jagged gust
tardy abyss
Wait, with that much magic damage, isnt it BDK time?
cerulean tusk
BDK still get oneshot as the main issue
tardy abyss
cerulean tusk
Whites prob just as strong, just now warrior get slapped too - bear fixes both of that
ez game
ez life
tardy abyss
But when do they fix bear so you dont fall asleep while playing
lilac basalt
And you have 3 CPM rotation on bear 😀
cerulean tusk
Imagine a 3 CPM rotation, I would always play that as my raid tank
then I dont even need to press buttons as I watch youtube
tardy abyss
So you waste a few hours?
jagged gust
its a passive dopamine drip
mfer just wants to open his weekly candy crush vault in peace
tardy abyss
its a passive dopamine drip
You must be confusing dopamine with melatonin
sweet summit
jagged pier
☝️
jagged pier
i mean i could be over spending but mwahi did say he did a dungeon and its been years since he was sat on globals
so yu may have ignored some
or just not spent enough on IP etc
cerulean tusk
Ye, that is what I expect - my brain just being "I am so annoyed already, why bring this up to processing?"
jagged pier
why annoyed u play bdk anyway?
and bliz again have made it mandatory for the raid
from what ive heard
jagged pier
F
small bone
Are Warrior tanks DOA this next update?
cerulean tusk
Can still do the M raid and your vault keys, it just feels worse
small bone
Why does Blizz hate Warriors?
cerulean tusk
They dont, they just.... dislike, fun
Fun detected - is not purely a meme, it got some truth to it
hearty narwhal
how much haste do you need with prot warr to feel good?
cerulean tusk
depends, on live I got 7% and it feels good
Generally, the more you get he better, but there is no set point - depends on goals and preferences
frigid valley
depends, on live I got 7% and it feels good
im sorry 7? u missed a 3 infront there>?
frigid valley
hardy snow
u get dead globals as thane atm
that just sounds terrible
cerulean tusk
Imagine not trying out Crit/Mast, Harley. Smh
frigid valley
i got a 639 skarmorak. thats more than enough mastery
cerulean tusk
Aint enough before I block 100% of the dam
cerulean tusk
No clue what it do, what do
frigid valley
u can get up to 40sec buff with 3.5k crit
cerulean tusk
More crit you say
frigid valley
i managed to get a champ track in the box which simmed better than (hc))mqm
jagged pier
i simmed it at 619 didnt for me
cerulean tusk
Sounds like a nice add to my Crit/mast collection
frigid valley
i guess u prob have a better option of trinkets than me jakey
frigid valley
sac goes ahead a tiny bit but havent been arsed to farm it yet,, might do soon or prob not. hate that dungeon
cerulean tusk
Imagine not having mythic sac on all your chars yet
heavy sparrow
unless its simming wrong
While I haven't used it, both simming and it collects data from actual game usage from any and all players right
(weekly/nightly/etc)
Would this make a case
tardy abyss
I think youre confusing something
Weekly / nightly etc are different builds (versions) of simulationcraft
So no, theres no data collection involved
raw parcel
The nerfs still going live?
jagged pier
well there might be more changes to come
raw parcel
I was hoping for a new year miracle where Blizzard rolled back their terrible ideas and left a spec that was actually in a good place alone :x
tribal wharf
the beatings will continue untile morale has improved
cerulean tusk
We just got to trust in their vision and plan
It will soon all prove to been for the better
Trust
heavy sparrow
Anyone go >5% vers yet
jagged pier
i havent even been above 5% ver all season
tardy abyss
^
frigid valley
I was hoping for a new year miracle where Blizzard rolled back their terrible id...
i mean paladins got changes randomly one week and a minor rework the week after mid patch, thinking nothing will ever change is just bad life habit
lilac basalt
Paladin was actually underperforming, right? Whereas warrior is just less fun to play afaik
raw parcel
Paladin was pretty bad, and they got a buff and are apparently really good now. Warrior is fine, and is getting an inexplicable nerf that doesn't seem justified by our place in the meta. Especially since... I mean, has ANY warrior asked for this? Literally anyone?
tardy abyss
Paladin wasnt bad
frigid valley
Paladin was actually underperforming, right? Whereas warrior is just less fun to...
Very slightly but was still taken to content due to tooltip.
but now we're talking about next patch where we know low to nothing yet
heavy sparrow
i havent even been above 5% ver all season
Lmfao time to rid my vers I guess. I got like 5 or 6%
frigid valley
doom and gloom 2 months ahead is so stupid
raw parcel
It's not doom and gloom to recognize that the changes being made to warrior look very bad if they actually go live. Will they fix them? I mean, probably, eventually. Pwarr isn't Brewmaster, people actually play this spec, so there will be genuine backlash if it ruins us.
tardy abyss
They would have to revert them entirely cuz it would take Blizz an eternity to make pwar fun to play after these changes
frigid valley
I mean blizzard are notoriously famous for overnerfing into adjusting based upon the changes.
heavy sparrow
It's not doom and gloom to recognize that the changes being made to warrior look...
Could be worse
frigid valley
also disgusting amount of haste gear next season
tardy abyss
Disgusting in a good or bad way
frigid valley
like, alot. ALOT
heavy sparrow
I tanked a stonevault 11, and it was my first time knowing how mistweavers work
tardy abyss
Dont think we would run more Haste than we do now
remote anchor
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/moon-guard/mcaulkiner/
consider using emblishments
they arent great
but probably still worth
tardy abyss
Im hovering 38% Haste unbuffed, any more than that is kind of a waste
heavy sparrow
consider using emblishments
I spec into 8% haste spec, which comes out to like 10-11% more haste
heavy sparrow
consider using emblishments
Like 636 gear crafted with a vers lining?
remote anchor
yea
karmic plinth
u can sim if vers or crit lining is better for u
heavy sparrow
Prob Crit. I think buffed I'm roughly 20% but this entire season I've been 9%-11% if that
I'll check this afternoon
formal breach
Cheeky lil Prot Warrior meme
cerulean tusk
None of them are wrong
fair beacon
Is the "Thunderlord's Crackling Citrine" better than "Stormbringer's Runed Citrine" now? ran an HC with a blood dk, it was like his top 3 source of damage every boss
wicked pollen
have you asked the robot
waxen frigate
Is the "Thunderlord's Crackling Citrine" better than "Stormbringer's Runed Citri...
So that is an absolutely awful way to evaluate literally anything
It is a random player on a different class in non-high end content
fair beacon
I mean I tried it too, ended up with the same results as my top 3 source of damage when running Colossus
waxen frigate
That’s still not a great metric
wicked pollen
I mean I tried it too, ended up with the same results as my top 3 source of dama...
did you ask the robot
?
waxen frigate
^
fair beacon
what is the robot?
wicked pollen
the robot
waxen frigate
Sims
fair beacon
imma be honest, do not remotely have an idea how that whole thing works, I just use hand-on experience and guage my damage 😦
waxen frigate
Yeah I’d stop doing that
!simyoself
Is that a command here
Shit
@strong forum tapping you in
That being said, a Quick Look at top logs shows it being used more than stormbringer’s, but it’s nowhere near top 3 damage sources
old juniper
imma be honest, do not remotely have an idea how that whole thing works, I just ...
Try out the Raidbots website. It’s pretty easy to import your character info. Then you play around with different builds and gear combos. Whether or not you can reach those numbers is another story but it can give you idea of which piece of gear is better and a target to aim for
waxen frigate
So you most likely have other rotational issues, which is why simming with raidbots and using the guides from people who have crunched the numbers is better than just looking at your own details output
fair beacon
the website works independent or needs addons and stuff?
waxen frigate
It does work independent but it’s better to use the simulation craft addon
All you do is log in, type /simc and copy and paste that output into the box on raid bots
That way it can have all of your current character information rather than using armory
jagged pier
Is the "Thunderlord's Crackling Citrine" better than "Stormbringer's Runed Citri...
ither there is a lot of roarings in the raid, or it does do a lot of damage however they worse u play the better static damage things look on meters because you arent getting the damage from the abilities u should be doing
if that makes sense
old juniper
the website works independent or needs addons and stuff?
A bit of both. You can import from Blizzard data of how your character was last time you logged out. Or you can run the simcraft addon to pull directly from the game. It’s a very simple addon.
jagged pier
like if you arent playing the spec at like the best it can be played
its very likely thunderlords might be better for u
urban portal
Is the "Thunderlord's Crackling Citrine" better than "Stormbringer's Runed Citri...
stats do not show up in meters
obsidian girder
The haste/crit vs haste/versa discussion, favors still crit? Or is there any point where I need to hard swap to versa in m+
obsidian girder
Ok but you're not squishy in 12 or higher if you don't have versa
jagged pier
nope because surivibility comes from play not stats
wicked pollen
Ok but you're not squishy in 12 or higher if you don't have versa
XDDDDDD
i have 2% vers
i dont take damage
obsidian girder
Wondered if there will be any breakpoint in higher keys where versa starts getting mandatory
torn gulch
No
wicked pollen
no
torn gulch
Versa was good in bfa when you had like 100%
jagged pier
that aint saving u
torn gulch
Both stats are very close to each other anyway
obsidian girder
<a:CatjamR:743099296580370492>
cerulean tusk
Triggerwarning:
obsidian girder
How's your parry
main plinth
Is it possible to heroic leap over shadow circles in p3 on ansurek mythic? Thx
cerulean tusk
Ppl keep saying to just jump and leap
so probably
Not done the fight, just parroting what ppl keep sayin'
shut summit
pallid quiver
From what I'm aware, the only thing you can't leap over (in higher difficulties, at least) is the green ring in P1 that the raid pop-jumps for
But I haven't seen anyone mess with the essences like that, though
cyan bronze
@strong forum Hey
wicked pollen
<@192743144276623360> Hey
hry
cyan bronze
I’m eating pierogis
strong forum
I've heard of that word before
cyan bronze
Made me think of you
cyan bronze
Idk aren’t you European or some shit
wicked pollen
hi diva
cyan bronze
Hi Plunderstorm duo
strong forum
That's a cultural massacre of a dish
waxen frigate
Europe ain't like US where we're all largely the same
Well first of all back up
cyan bronze
Well first of all back up
Why can’t he back down
waxen frigate
Back right
waxen frigate
Back door
hoary glen
Question: For the Vault should I leave Protection in or put another Loot Spec in?
waxen frigate
Do you have your bis shield and 1h?
tribal wharf
https://tenor.com/view/yes-rock-rock-and-roll-head-bang-rock-star-gif-15812025
e1m2.midi
frosty holly
Is it possible to heroic leap over shadow circles in p3 on ansurek mythic? Thx
Yes. Do a jump before and you are safe.
Also i see now that my discord had not updated and this post was oldish xD
tardy abyss
You can either leave it or craft weapon + shield (shield pref) and put it on fury
Actually, if you crafted a weapon put it on arms
Fury still has the chance to get 1h weapons
hoary glen
thank you!
solar storm
Is there a link where i can see what tank busters to use spellblock?
Or is it usable against anything not physical
quaint sinew
wicked pollen
Is there a link where i can see what tank busters to use spellblock?
pins
heavy sparrow
What fight style are we prot warriors simming for on mythic+
small steeple
Has there been any word or even acknowledgment from someone from blizzard about the prot warrior changes? From what I can find there isn't even an official feedback location FOR the prot warrior changes, when there are for classes like hunter and Druid that are getting very big changes. It just seems very odd to me
pallid quiver
Or is it usable against anything not physical
For future reference in case pins aren't updated,
It actually just depends
You should get into the habit of just sending it on anything that hurts and has a magic component at all, since if it didn't work
Well it wasn't gonna be useful anyway
The depends part is because Blizz can just choose ti make any given spell or ability blockable or not blockable. Like, usually, you can't spell block dots, not initial hits of spells.
but then princess in raid says hi, and you can't block the initial hit of void shredders, but you can block the dot
heavy sparrow
5 min patchwerk 1 target is fine
Raiding or mythic dungeons
tardy abyss
Both
heavy sparrow
Ty
topaz rivet
oh man... the dilema. i have a champ sacbrood and no mark. any advice welcome
topaz rivet
Fuck you
this is a fair and measured response and i accept it. but, which would you take?
pallid quiver
Unless i get one of these 2 tomorrow
you get both tomorrow, jakey, because you deserve them
jagged pier
I would take khardos myself
pallid quiver
I'd also personally take Khardos
jagged pier
you get both tomorrow, jakey, because you deserve them
I dount it like 3 months no vault upgrade literally cba
Cant even give me crests to alts
pallid quiver
you can have more control over your burst in like any given situation, and burst is super helpful to direct
just give up on your guild and become a true super casual like me, Jakey
I'm only 620 and vibing over here
topaz rivet
Thanks for the advice, and good luck Jakey
pallid quiver
I'm probably mostly playing my Shaman next patch, which is wild since I've been a Warrior main forevers
But it feels real bad next season. I'll still touch it, but probably only as DPS
jagged pier
Why do we all have shaman alts
pallid quiver
It's the Warrior pipeline
jagged pier
pallid quiver
I brought it up before when we realized it
all warriors have a pocket shaman
except mwahi for some reason
jagged pier
Theres always an exception
pallid quiver
something something exception proves the rule
jagged pier
Am i the only 1 madge that the promo on the new worm made it look chonky, and its not actually chonky
I feel like am
pallid quiver
I don't even know what worm we're talking about, but I'll be mad with you
jagged pier
6 month mount
pallid quiver
oh
huh
skyhold doesn't have a madge
and since i'm not yellow, i can't use emotes from outside skyhold
kind urchin
Got a weapon. Between last week and this week I replaced both crafted weapon and shield. My vault luck must be drained now right?
pallid quiver
i actually can't be mad with jakey because of the laws of this land
jagged pier
rough nest
I'd also personally take Khardos
2 weeks, got 3 trinkets but had to chose between khardos and shard 😆
hardy snow
Unless i get one of these 2 tomorrow
You will sir!
tribal wharf
do this mean lumberjacking skill tree cut down confirm?
if yes, resub
there is a billion trees in wow, and i can only tell my followers in a base to cut some down in draenor :S
i can never cut down a tree in wow 20 years + without it being quest or base
remote anchor
what
tribal wharf
it has timbered in the name and a bunch of the mounts we get recently are tree
like the big one and the big tree dragon
also pushing my agenda of want tree cut in wow
pallid quiver
yogi hates trees
tribal wharf
ever since they announced you can build a house
well
wtf do you build a house out of
typically
secondary profession where first aid used to be
jagged gust
first aid was removed?
remote anchor
yea
willow edge
Bandages are still in the game. Tailors make them but I don’t think they’ve even added new bandages in recent expacs, nvm that people wouldn’t use them.
jagged gust
As prot nah, but there's been a few times in m+, healer is dead, boss is at 5% and I'm stuck in a corner surrounded by lava with leap on CD
tribal wharf
i think it makes alot of sense and is a smple fix