protection

[strong forum]

Colossus works better than thane

From my dummy testing

It's thane that suffers more

[cerulean tusk]

It so slow, I dont know, without procs I dont want to know how much dam I will take

[strong forum]

Cuz now thane spams revenge aswell

🙂

[cerulean tusk]

Thane do feel fun tho

[strong forum]

Not to me

[cerulean tusk]

so numbers aside, why kill it

[strong forum]

Thane feels bland

[cerulean tusk]

Ya dont like woosh woosh clap clap?

[strong forum]

Thane is bland, no excitement, flat

[cerulean tusk]

Fair - I find that fun, for when I take a break from Col

Might be that I mainly play Col that makes Thane feel as fun as it does from time to time

when I just wanna clappa clappa

[strong forum]

Whenever I play thane I feel depressed

[frozen berry]

Is the colossus build on wowhead?

[strong forum]

Cuz I do 200-400k less dps

Colossus m+ build is on the talent calculator

[cerulean tusk]

Another col warrior rises!

If you got the gold, go full mast/crit tho, for those big juicy executes into demolish

10/10 fun

[strong forum]

Like I did a mists 13 or 14 as Colossus and only did like 1.3mil dps, but that was like 200k more than any other thane log out there

Kinda depresso

[cerulean tusk]

Wait, I thought 1.2-13 area was bad

[strong forum]

Thane caps out at 1.2

[cerulean tusk]

As my BDK does 1.4m, me doing 1.2m I thought was just me being bad

[strong forum]

Nah

Bdk Just does more dmg lol

That's just reality

[cerulean tusk]

Fair, just did not expect it

[strong forum]

Bdk and ppal are highest dmg tanks

[cerulean tusk]

Well, with the 30% aurabuff, we will be fine

just you wait

[strong forum]

That 30% aura buff is just to break even the nerfs

Meanwhile other tanks are getting buffed

Keep that in mind

[cerulean tusk]

Nah, you forget they fix tierset

it gonna go pewpew

[strong forum]

Uhuh

[cerulean tusk]

[strong forum]

I'm fully expecting pwar to be dead in the water until it gets a rework in 12.0

Lowkey

If sense and me are thinking about jumping ship, you know it's real bad

[cerulean tusk]

That do be true, but dont fear I will do 10s on warrior, if I get invited, keeping the legacy alive

[strong forum]

Well yeah I'll prolly still be tanking 10s and heroic

But I won't enjoy it

[jagged gust]

But like, aura nerf doesn't gimme back my apm 😦

[strong forum]

[kind urchin]

I never thought I'd see the day where I was ready to jump ship either. But here we are.

[strong forum]

Rn I can stomach keys cuz colossus is fun

[cerulean tusk]

Ye, this be why I tank atm. Tho, I kinda feel a bit annoyed by how rage works around 14 area, feels so much slower than a lower key. And the pace is fun

So hoped you would just go "nah, it becomes faster"

alas, that was not the case

[strong forum]

Entire pace of the class is dictated by shield slam

Fuck with shield slam, fuck with the entire class

And the mad lads did just that

[cerulean tusk]

Here have some copium and hopium, I am sure they are baking in slam resets into other things. But then... the rage problem rises again... oh no

[strong forum]

In DF they took away rage from roar, spear, avatar, outburst and demo shout, war machine and bloodsurge

Now they again are taking away rage from outburst, but also shield slam

They always did just little nerfs but left us with SS

Then buffed imp wall to generate 4 extra rage just 3 months ago

[cerulean tusk]

Wonder what their endgame look like, what is the goal. What makes that new vision so fun, compared to what was.

[strong forum]

Only to remove the rage gain from imp wall entirely

[strong forum]

There is no vision, hasn't been for pwar in a while

[cerulean tusk]

Ye, but then why change things that are working. Aint very logical

[strong forum]

Somebody played pwar for 1 key to do a weekly key

And didn't like it

[cerulean tusk]

"Where heroic strike?"

[strong forum]

Nah its moreso

"so much rage and shield slam"

[cerulean tusk]

There is no way they think it is too much going on.

No way.

[strong forum]

There is for thane

But that's the problem right there

thane

[cerulean tusk]

You get by just clapping and dancing - what is the problem really.

[strong forum]

And instead of nerfing thane, they're nerfing the entire class

They just have to adjust burst of power and avatar granting 1 stack of thunderblast

And all of a sudden

Thane isn't that bloated anymore

Instead just buff the damage of thunderblast

But lower the frequency rate

But no they won't nerf thane, cuz it would fuck with fury

So instead they kill prot

[cerulean tusk]

If only the tech was there to adjust things on a spec basis

One can only dream

[strong forum]

They can't

Cuz they made hero talents to be the same everything for both specs

They're not spec specific

Fuck with 1, fuck with both

[cerulean tusk]

I am just too lost to even get what the problem is they are trying to fix, as I see none. But I am sure there is someone out there that feels there is one

Clappa clap, buttons shine, fun little show that goes fast

Demo a bit more controlled swoosh swoosh, big hit

Cant say I met any problems playing either

[frozen berry]

Do Blizz devs not ask the community people what they see as problems with said spec/classes in current iterations? I know when I was playing SoD one of the devs worked with one of the community mods on a specific class to help fix the issues.

[cerulean tusk]

Yes and no, they do ask for feedback in set threads

I presume they ask around and feel the pulse a bit, but not offically

[jagged gust]

Well you can't really say prot has followed the tank design philosophy blizz laid out for TWW

[strong forum]

Not openly

[cerulean tusk]

Mind giving a reason, as I don't see any problems, how did it deviate?

[frozen berry]

So there’s a channel to voice your concerns it’s just falling on deaf ears

[cerulean tusk]

They do keep a pulse check on the forums and prob AI scraping here, so they prob hear stuff - from you as well, indirectly

[jagged gust]

Well we knew going in to this season we were an outlier, especially considering the absolute dooming heard from other tanks meanwhile we're here saying "You shouldn't see your healthbar move in a 10"

IP and how much of it was being generated kind of went against their mitigation of self-maintenance. Going in they gave a minute nerf to indom but missed what should have been the actual target.

Now it seems they're trying to rectify that, but going about it in just the worst way imaginable

[cerulean tusk]

Well, the easiest solution would be to remove the pure self healing if they just want us to slowly die off. Still, we do die, we do need healing when doing content at your gear level.

I dont see the problem

[tribal wharf]

true but that's partially due to pwar is AB testing of did you face the mob + have SB up / use SR/SB/SW at the correct timing

if you dont do that, gg

vr/iv isnt even close to deathstrike ori think its renewal for bear

bear has an instant heal for 30% is insane

[jagged gust]

But in that regard, I find myself falling into the rhetoric of other tanks should also be rewarded equally for excellent gameplay, and then you wind up with self-reliant tanks again

[strong forum]

ahem tank draught

nobody can play keys cuz no tanks

hey let's nerf tanks

[tribal wharf]

nerf tank dmg would be fine if we get a shit load more hp and armor

[jagged gust]

they really hated the successes of S3, didn't they?

[strong forum]

Can't say at this point

[strong forum]

Nerfing tanks dmg will not help to get more people to play tank 🙂

The times of tanks only being meatshields and being supposed to be happy with just that are looooong gone

[tribal wharf]

on paper at least, from outside looking in, i like the idea of how classes work in ashes

you can do a bunch of things and you need a few others to enhance that stuff

[jagged gust]

gives tanks zero damage, and the only meter they use is a threat meter, and they always get to be at the top

[strong forum]

Uhuh

[tribal wharf]

i dont think nerf tank dmg so much

i think buff all dps classes, mostly 3 dps specs, 2 dps specs class

[cerulean tusk]

Tanks are what, half a DPS atm, why would ya nerf em?

[tribal wharf]

mage rogue hunter major buff

is what i would do 3 staple class

[jagged gust]

mage/rogue/hunter meta

[cerulean tusk]

How would that help the tank situation?

[tribal wharf]

warlock too, i cant think of any other 3 dps specs (druid done count with 5 specs)

[spiral jetty]

awww yeah here we go

[jagged gust]

Surv is now a tank spec, outlaw is now a pure evasion tank, Affliction is now a drain tank, frost is now a tank

[tribal wharf]

for sod, sure

hunter is canonically meant as a scout

[cerulean tusk]

So more tanks is the solution, you throw out enough different tanks that there will be someone for anyone?

[tribal wharf]

i sort of believeed that the 3rd dragon spec was going to be tank

[jagged gust]

I mean you hear often enough the story of people swapping specs to get in to the dungeon pool faster

If you give people an opportunity, a non zero amount of people will take it

[cerulean tusk]

Well, I get the idea. I just fear the rammifications. The balance between so many tanks

[jagged gust]

get those pipelines going

[tribal wharf]

i figured they would shift the aug to be more dmg based 75/25 buff dmg and then 3rd spec is tank

[torn gulch]

should've been as we have no mail tanks
plus would've never had the problem that we have with aug today

[tribal wharf]

i think inherently classses that wear sheilds should have a 1% chance to critically block any melee attack, hard coded can never change even by lvl, for pwar its just a +1%

[torn gulch]

could've had an evoker with earth magic and bronze magic and a meta-like skill where you would've morphed into a smaller version of neltharion

[jagged gust]

I'd say role diversity overall, not all of them need to be tanks, but maybe rogue can be a support class, call it bard, sort of thing

I enjoy that experiment from SoD, I think that should be a reality in retail

[tribal wharf]

rsham or hpal critical block something would be entertaining

[chilly brook]

I've basically just decided on playing DH next tier for keys as a tank

even before the bugged tier set

just no point in playing prot with these changes they're so bad

[proud plank]

support should’ve never been created

[cyan bronze]

i don’t think vdh will be meta tbh, but yeah

also playing vdh

it looks fun and playable so im happy enough

[kind urchin]

Funny thing about people saying tanks need to "go back to doing no damage" is, I've been competing with dps while tanking on my warrior since as far back as Wrath. In fact right now we're doing less damage as a percent of a dps compared to several previous expansions.

[ornate sky]

I have the same opinion, tanks already do no damage

[jagged gust]

I'm a big fan of support classes, but they definitely don't feel appropriate with current party size/composition

But even so, eliminate the support classes and split the pure dps classes into a 50/50ish split of healers and tanks

Affliclock healing like an inverse resto druid would be pretty neat

Or maybe demo is the answer, they chuck imps that explode for a small aoe heal

[mighty valley]

I don’t think it would move the needle on the number of players who want to tank

And it would enrage every long-time player of those specs lol

[kind urchin]

If you want to kill the game that's a great idea.

[jagged gust]

Oh yeah, the outrage from all the affliction mains

[wooden lava]

Does someone have the best colossus build for single target?

Also for mythic plus:)

[wicked pollen]

for s1 or s2

s1 can be found #1269007003469090878 message

[lavish rivet]

Are we still dooming for 11.1?

[wicked pollen]

read the pins

[lavish rivet]

I read em, it's been a few weeks. Didn't know if there'd been any updates since. My bad.

[hardy snow]

Blizzard haven't posted any changes since that, so why would be there an update in pins?

[wicked pollen]

its mainly that no new ptr build has come out so nothing has changed

[mighty valley]

Sense has suggested that he’s pretty sure there will be further changes

Can’t be sure they’ll be good or enough

But yknow, keep an eye out for the next ptr update

[hardy snow]

enough change would be to just revert this bullshit they posted

[willow edge]

While I’m expecting them to dig in and not revert anything, potentially it’ll be “we are unnerfing rage Gen. But nerfing revenge shield slam and ignore pain numbers”

[mighty valley]

The boring version will be “alright have a %damage aura buff”

[wicked pollen]

see thats cool if we did 100x our current damage

🙂

[mighty valley]

then we’d be boring to play AND everyone would hate us

win/win?

[wicked pollen]

yes

i dont play prot to play prot

i play prot to play the game

otherwise its 30 minute queues into keys i can do

[patent swallow]

is ring still going to be bis going into S2?

[wicked pollen]

[violet ginkgo]

Well yes and no. I mean they said that the ring will be compete with heroic raid stuff you get so... hopefully it stays competitive but who knows? Blizz can always make crazy decision like nerfing prot war out of nowhere.

[obsidian girder]

Any rumours when next Ptr update will be around ?

[maiden ravine]

It's the weekend now. Middle of next week perhaps? They usually like to do builds the day before raid testing in the past.

I do hope none of the forest fires spread south towards Irvine.

[jagged pier]

takes like 20 mins to get and fully upgrade

[mental scarab]

The ring?

[jagged pier]

yer only bit will that takes time is filling the bar for 1 upgrade

[jagged pier]

23 mins could be done a bit faster, if u need to collect the gems sure it will take longer but just on alts very fast

[mild sequoia]

Does prot warrior suffer any form of debuff or something from using shield block cuz i keep encountering people with really shit uptime

[dark barn]

Guys are tired of queue simulator and learning to tank

[mild sequoia]

Real

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/BUixI49.png

guys how is this real

this is mythic rashanan

im 25fucking ilvl behind

[north atlas]

Col build?

[strong forum]

nah thane

[north atlas]

Damn

[strong forum]

cuz kinda scared xd

but turn out rashanan does 0 dmg

[north atlas]

I only got like 55 on heroic this week

[strong forum]

^^

[north atlas]

1st time prot as a warr since cata tho

In raid

[strong forum]

ya takes some practice

[north atlas]

I have alot if room to improve in s2

[strong forum]

gearing alts is funny

this character was 604 at the beginning of the reset, i did 1 hc clear and 4/8M and now its 625

[pallid quiver]

that's what i keep saying, nome

[tribal wharf]

my character is still 619

[storm stone]

+6 is the true M+ hell

[north atlas]

that overall?

[storm stone]

yes

for the dungeon

+6 mists

i inspected the group before we started and put in the healing citrines

let me put that back up

with names blurred

actually

there we go

not trying to put people on blast like that

[dark barn]

I had a idea: if this stupid rework is just the blizzard idea of making tanking easier (apm reduction)?

[fossil rapids]

Hi everyone. I might be missing something or unaware of certain nuances, but I have a question regarding the Thunder Clap ability and its enhanced version that we get from Mountain Thane procs.

I noticed that this ability has a crit chance in the overall Details that is on average about 2 times lower than other abilities (roughly 12-15% crit chance while others are around my 30% crit chance). What could be the reason for this? Is it a bug? It seems strange to me.

Thank you in advance for your answers.

[kind urchin]

Seismic reverberation can't crit so it lowers the overall crit % shown in details.

[fossil rapids]

Damn, that explains it all. Ty

[tepid reef]

How do folks feel about 7+8 together?

[tardy abyss]

Doable but can be annoying for melees

And healer needs to be good

[tribal wharf]

i cant even think of what dungeon that is, unless its the irondock or something i think its called

nvm its db

[tardy abyss]

Yes

[fiery turtle]

is it possible to make either a cast sequence or double @player maccro for champions spear and Ravager, i find it annoying to have 2 buttons that "almost" do the same thing and share the same Cd

[tardy abyss]

You can do that but its not good

Often times you wanna throw Ravager before charge to live early burst easier

[fiery turtle]

ok so you would put Ravager as a @cursor and Champions spear as a @player?

[tardy abyss]

And by throwing spear @player you might not hit all mobs

If any at all

[fiery turtle]

ok so is there a maccro that i can make with double @cursor?

[tardy abyss]

Normal cast sequence should work

[fiery turtle]

ok cool thanks

[frozen berry]

Did a +12 as colossus after trying it out, shit gets sketchy defensively but man you pump. Did 1.2 mil in GB which was close to my lowest dps.

[obsidian girder]

heyo, sim says i should equip the frost chain damage gem instead of mastery (blue slot). all the way mastery is right, isnt it ?

[pallid quiver]

not particularly; mastery is the weakest stat offensively in the first place

It's generally between the damage proc gem and...

I'm forgetting the other one, but it depends on your stats always

So if sim says it's best, it's best

[remote anchor]

the mastery gem buff the others tho

[cerulean tusk]

Mastery got defencive value that really stacks well. So you could concider it if you do giga pulls in m+ to soften things conciderably.

If you just want dam, mastery falls a bit behind

[obsidian girder]

Okay will play both and compare afterwards

[cerulean tusk]

If you got a ton of mastery, going mastery stacking is fine - if you go high crit/haste/versa, mastery is 0 value - as mastery stacks with mastery

well, not 0, 0, but ya get my point

[tardy abyss]

Simming >>>>>>> playing

You will hardly notice a difference in tankiness

[obsidian girder]

In DPS maybe also it's a less then 1% thing

But if mastery adds
Tankiness, tankiness should be more value then less then 1% damage, don't you agree

[tardy abyss]

Probably yes

[pallid quiver]

Depends entirely; if you don't die, what did the extra tankiness provide?

and defensive value from stats is generally heavily overrated

While that's more for when comparing secondary stats as compared to no stats, secondaries as a whole are ultimately fairly minor in comparison to your play in terms of tankiness and survival

[rough jasper]

hey guys how does prot warrior looks realisticly? i know about nerfs but are they realy that huge? coul i still push around 14s,15s? with nerfs?

[tardy abyss]

They are huge but you will still be able to do 14s and 15s

[rough jasper]

Ty, i cant belive its that bad... wtf are they doing..

[pallid quiver]

Attempting to slow down the class and make it more approachable

they achieved the former

they did not change any decision making modifiers, however, so the latter is still unachieved

[mighty valley]

i’d love for them to articulate what good decision making looks like to them

obviously the current state is a bit unintuitive and you have to press buttons very fast but it’s a straightforward priority

if you actually constantly had to choose between offensive and defensive uses of rage

that would be less accessible in many ways

[cerulean tusk]

There is no choice, you press shieldblock to have it running, you press IP to have it running, then excess rage goes into revenge and IP refreshes?

[mighty valley]

right

well, IP “running” doesn’t really mean anything, it’s just a damage amount per cast

you currently just press it with rage that won’t be spent on anything else

which is true with the PTR changes too

just less to spend

[cerulean tusk]

Well, goal is always to have IP running, to have the DR. Change will only make it so you get less of everything. As you got less rage, you press IP less, meaning less SS procs, meaning less rage...

[mighty valley]

it’s sort of semantic but we’re always advising people NOT to think about “IP uptime”

because if you drain your rage because you panic about your ip dropping

you kill your rage gen engine

[cerulean tusk]

No need to use IP if you got it stacking up with dam, then you just need to duration refresh it. Uptime is always something you want, you just dont go full hamster and ignore shieldblock for it

There is nothing wrong with spamming IP over revenge, other than the lost damage potential - no?

As both are functionally the same rage dump wise

(excess rage aside)

[mighty valley]

if you miss GCDs that could’ve been revenge casts due to low rage, you miss out on opportunities to reset shield slam

[tardy abyss]

One is on a gcd, the other isnt

[pallid quiver]

you lose survival, because you lose SS casts

IP and Revenge don't have similar rage costs at all in the long rung

It's less so with the reset chance dropping, but spamming IP means you get less shield slams

so you get less rage

[cerulean tusk]

So what you guys are saying, is to ignore IP 100% and only use it if your GCD is blocked by other casts?

[pallid quiver]

false dichotomy argument, kitty

[cerulean tusk]

It was a question

not an argument

[pallid quiver]

It's not one or the other; you use both, but temper

[mighty valley]

no — just think “rage gonna overcap? press IP”

this will result in you pressing it a ton though lol

[pallid quiver]

That's what a false dichotomy argument is

[cerulean tusk]

So it is a non-issue based on what I said?

[pallid quiver]

You pose a question for argument's sake by presenting only two hard-coded choices

I'm calling you out on it because I know you can do better and just need a reminder, Kitty

[cerulean tusk]

I am more confused what the answer is than ever

[pallid quiver]

It's between both; you can't use or just spam either in a vaccuum, or the spec suffers and stalls

That's the part of Prot War that's confusing at a quick glance

Since without actually working through the whole math of it all, it is not intuitive how to make the spec work

Solely spamming revenge leaves you with less survival because of less Shield Walls and IP, since you only get IP from Outbursts and you cap rage

Solely spamming IP means you get less Shield Slams, so less rage, meaning less IP and less Shield Walls from AM

They have to work together to avoid both of those problems

If you forcibly had to remove one bind, IP would be the one to go, since generating rage is prio and Revenge has a lower opportunity cost from resetting SS

but neither is good at all

[cerulean tusk]

I am so confused about this talk about removing a button and stuff

Meh, I will look at it fresh later, prob some way you see the discussion. I am not on the same page right now

[willow edge]

IP is off the gcd anyways

You don’t exactly have a set rotation. You press shield slam off cd

[mighty valley]

here’s a summary to come back to

• prot warriors get so much value from spending rage (anger management, indom, outburst etc) that we want to optimize total rage gen so we can spend as much as possible. this drives all of our decision making
• we generate rage with offensive cooldowns, ss, and tc, so these are prioritized. however, while revenge spends rage, it also has a chance to reset ss to generate more, so pressing it whenever everything else is unavailable is crucial
• therefore we are almost never faced with the decision of “revenge or IP?” since we are extremely incentivized to make sure we have rage in reserve to press revenge to fill every empty gcd. so we can just boil it down to “do your regular priority, and press IP off gcd with rage you wouldn’t otherwise spend”
  -the only exception is when not pressing IP would result in you dying which is exceedingly rare since the value of each individual cast is low

[willow edge]

Maintain shield block. But you need ignore pain for the other part of your main mitigation

[cyan bronze]

Revenge is your way to reset your rotation

Ip is your way to dump rage that isn’t being saved to restart

Is a simple way to put it

[frozen berry]

Great synopsis

[vital pollen]

Why is pug DPS so bad this week. My god. 3.2k players dying to telegraphed aoe 5x in one dungeon. Not exaggerating.

[jagged gust]

this week?

That's pug life, baby

io just means you've managed to fail very successfully.

[cerulean tusk]

Question is how 3.4k rio fully geared characters do less DPS than my meme build fury warrior

Simple answer: They aint focusing or playing their best

So ya get a fiesta

[vital pollen]

Yeah I kinda gave up on pushing keys as a tank. Like, I'm not perfect, I screw up and cause a 12 to fail sometimes. But vast majority of the time it's not me and it's just become frustrating.

[storm stone]

is there anything i can do to make EDNA any easier on the group

i put in healing citrines to ease the healing but eventually the dot just seems to kill the group

[tribal wharf]

You said: when i say weapon what is first thing you think of that is a weapon only choose 1 thing

ChatGPT said: Sword.

You said: okay be more speciific about it

GPT:A longsword with a double-edged steel blade, a crossguard, and a leather-wrapped hilt.

You said: 1 or 2 hand

GPT: Two-handed.

You said: if a spec from wow was weioding it which spec

GPT said: Fury Warrior.

You said: okay they can dual wsild 2hands, what they got in other hand

GPT: Another longsword, matching the first, with a slightly darker, battle-worn finish.

gpt thinks fury warrior is based i guess

[hollow citrus]

great summary, that really helped me out

[mighty valley]

glad to hear it!

[small steeple]

so now that the prt has been out for a bit, is the warrior changes as terrible as we feared?

[storm stone]

class is bricked

[heavy sparrow]

anyone have a +11 seige route kinda newb

[waxen quarry]

fuck blizzard

with this change genuinely

what monkey decides to nuke the fun of a spec

if you think its too strong idk reduce ip value or idk ask someone who actually plays it

[willow edge]

I am convinced that none of the devs really play the class they tune for

[small steeple]

nah they all play paladin

[willow edge]

Id believe it

[storm stone]

Does anyone have a mouse over storm bolt macro?

I missed a patty cake and wiped us trying to storm the vulpin earlier

[vagrant echo]

Pug friendly is straight forward. It’s when you get fancy with skips that you need to do anything fancy, not needed in an 11

[worldly jetty]

what prot spells or effects self heal?

like, when my healer dies in a key, how do i self sustain?

[kind urchin]

Spending rage heals you through indomitable. You have some leech through talents. Impending victory heals for 20% on a 30 second CD reset when you kill a target. Last stand has a heal component attached to it as well.

[worldly jetty]

k thanks

[pallid quiver]

It should be noted that you generally don't need healing due to mitigating most damage upfront. Only when keys get real chunky is when you'll bleed out at all with proper play (ignoring mechs/casts that are designed to hit the tank hard, ofc, like bleeds)

You can also get more raw heal value by using IV during Last Stand as well, since that 20% is now a bigger amount of health

[violet ginkgo]

I think if there is no dot type damage, we should still be safe even when healer down but when there is dot type... well...

[obsidian girder]

I get a bit confused, everything here is that the class is dead now. Some high level players released some videos, yeah warri has changed but it is still ok. Guess the truth is between both

[storm stone]

I wasn’t being serious

[heavy sparrow]

does ara kara do magic damage

[pallid quiver]

Not much tank-wise unless casts are being missed and they happen to target tank iirc

[grim geyser]

im VERY new to tanking and im trying to piece together how to pick what is best trinkets/rings and how to pick what is better than something else

[long kayak]

the rings you want is Cyrce's circlet and a ring with haste/versatility.
For trinkets you want sacbrood, swarmlord or skarmorak

[obsidian girder]

Haste/crit is similar fine

[long kayak]

I've done full crit/haste, and full haste/versa.
I simed worse with full crit/haste 😦

[long kayak]

i feel the same 😦

[jagged pier]

id like to see that sim cause even at 4% vers crit still simes higher for me

[long kayak]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jWpp4WcHd5rGkGqsfBG59j/simc

[long kayak]

do that link work for you?

[long kayak]

ok, what type of sim should i run for a more reliable sim?
I want to know where i screwed this up =/

[jagged pier]

u used dungeon slice which our apl doesnt support

u sim ST or patchwerk 3-5 targets

[long kayak]

thank you

[jagged pier]

u should really just sim ST for stats cause thats where we suffer

[long kayak]

i will run another sim and link that one, could you have a look at it to see if it's within reason?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nXjGhARzvin4bUAbuXJ7ZV/simc

[sweet egret]

hey guys, I was wondering if I can add a second socket to a bracer through the vault item if my bracer came with a socket or if the max sockets for bracers are just 1 no matter where it's from. thanks

[obsidian girder]

3 mins ST patchwerk and a 1 min 4 patchwerks is ok for m+ simming?

[north atlas]

gotta question hope i dont get trolled, i wanna macro demo shoult to ss so i can make sure i keep it up as much as possible, any easy way to write macro where it wont get stuck on demo and i cant ss

[remote anchor]

you probably shouldnt do that

[north atlas]

😦

[blazing condor]

you could probably cast sequence it so you ss then demo

but also

you shouldnt macro that

macros arent really looked fondly upon in this channel so youre not gonna get much of an aswer

[north atlas]

cast seq didnt work well

[remote anchor]

like if you do that you might cast demo shout when the pack is at 3% hp and it wont do anything

[strong forum]

You can't just macro 2 gcds into the same button

Unless it's with a modifier or cast sequence

[long kayak]

you want to have those on two separate keys,

because there are situational stuff you want to have it up for

[north atlas]

fair, ty

[blazing condor]

its a lot of buttons unfortunately

but you cant really macro any

[north atlas]

thought brew had a few buttons

just tryina improve my play as much as possible

[strong forum]

no macros

only buttons

[blazing condor]

well ss + ip macro

do we play intervene now

[strong forum]

yeah

[kind urchin]

It's capable of tanking. None of us are debating that. It is a lot weaker, but biggest problem is the gameplay. They broke the gameplay of the spec.

[sharp gale]

I don’t play brew anymore bc it has too many buttons for me tbh

[tardy abyss]

Pwar has the perfect amount of buttons

[sharp gale]

Yeah I feel personally it has the right amount, it doesn’t spill over the 3 row so it’s fine to me

But brew also have like 3 rows but it’s more you actually press different buttons more often idk how to say it

There is no shield to get on the ptr ?

[obsidian girder]

This

[ionic fern]

Multiple.

[sharp gale]

i found it, but no one tag in my key so i will just wait when other dungeons are up

[strong forum]

I'll wait until we get the real tierset and class changes

And not this half baked scam

[ionic fern]

Jeh.

Sooooooon.

[jagged pier]

hopefully......

[next yacht]

MAKE WARRIOR GREAT AGAIN!

[jagged pier]

doesnt need to be great needs to be playable

right now pressing IP is actually bad for u

[blazing condor]

whys that

[ionic fern]

Strategist / Devastator proc Shield Slam less now, so instead of using IP you need to use Revenge to fish for Shield Slam resets.

[jagged pier]

☝️

[strong forum]

even as thane

colossus already did that anyway out the wazoo

so theres not much of a change

but even thane spams revenge

[heavy sparrow]

I finished a 12 ara kara but didn't time it. 47 seconds over );

[mighty valley]

You’ll get em next time chief

[jagged pier]

i should do 2 more keys for vault

but

[shut summit]

https://i.imgur.com/iXJj078.png

bloodsurge got absolutely annihilated

[jagged pier]

[grizzled nova]

lmao

I predict nominal if any changes and spec goes 11.1 bricked af until small changes in 11.1.5

[frozen berry]

Colossus going to be actually unplayable huh. Rage starved to the max

[jagged pier]

well that and the fact execute doestn give stacks anymore

no clue why bliz thinks thats a good idea for arms or prot

[pallid quiver]

Because it's supposed to being focus back to your hard hitting main abilities

Because execute isn't meant to be a high value, high damage ability when it's available

[kind urchin]

I had already assumed after looking at the change that instigate would be better now. Looking at this I believe I was correct in that assumption.

[jagged pier]

[pallid quiver]

It makes sorta sense for arms in S1, because you spent a lot of time just slamming Execute in Execute phase due to tier interactions and such

[cerulean tusk]

"oh no, I use execute in EXECUTE PHASE"

[tribal wharf]

wait did they buff the hell out of hunter

like i know for fact mm is getting changes and i think sv also is big changed some time recently

i think BM is still where ever that was

hunter is kinda fun, 40 yard range,

[cyan bronze]

shouldn’t shield charge be higher?

or did it’s rage gen get nerfed also and im forgetting

[ionic nimbus]

They should remove bloodsurge

This is absolutly nuts

[cyan bronze]

Champion’s Bulwark no longer increases the Rage generated by Shield Charge.

they really shot it all

[cerulean tusk]

I wouldnt stress about things atm, wait for the adjustments that is supposed to rebalance things out :v
I am sure it will sort every issue out

[ionic nimbus]

In the end, they will buff vdh, maybe bring back Double sigils

[ionic nimbus]

They will, ID 13 maybe

[small quail]

Any adjustment short of realizing the changes are a mistake won't be enough.

There's too much of a disconnect between players and devs. Devs think something is an issue; players don't.

[jagged pier]

No there isnt the average prot struggles with the apm of thane

Which is what they are trying to combat they just done it in the wrong way

[cerulean tusk]

We are the ones disconnected from the playerbase :v

just by being on skyhold, you are very likely in the top 10% if not 1% of players, we are in general outliers

[jagged pier]

i mean we arent really the amopunt of ppl that come in saying prot has too may buttons or, we look at logs and they like 10-15 apm lower than they should be

very common

it just doesnt effect you, you dont see it as a problem

[cerulean tusk]

Skill issue, is a way to brush it off. But ye, if 90% of prot warriors think the APM is too high to be enjobable, they are prob who it should be catered towards

[jagged pier]

thats a general you, not pointing fingers

[cerulean tusk]

Jakey being mean, and pointy

toxic

[pallid quiver]

I think they should have added more options in the tree to reduce APM; something like a button that channels IP and a Revenge like cast at the same time or something, to provide options for slower play and faster play

[jagged pier]

only towards you and your 2hander prot properganda

[pallid quiver]

But like, something like that is hard to be honest, so I don't blame them

[jagged pier]

we the only spec in the game to not have their tree changed since DF beta

or somthing dumb like that

[ionic nimbus]

Lowering apm and nerfing hard, this is not the same

[jagged pier]

[pallid quiver]

Honestly, Prot War is in a really rough spot to try and design around

[cerulean tusk]

Well, lowering APM is only done by removing off-GCDs and reducing haste

[pallid quiver]

Our points are too strong, but also all are necessary for the current function of the class

[cerulean tusk]

we always gonna cram in GCDs if able

[jagged pier]

hence why we said they have done it the wrong way

[cerulean tusk]

They kinda cant lower APM, without either giving us dead GCDs or lowering haste

just aint possible

[jagged pier]

well we got dead globals or u press revenge

thats the choice right now

[pallid quiver]

We really need a rework of how the spec functions to bring us to a spot that's more malleable to work with, but I don't know what kind of vision there should be

[cerulean tusk]

Lets remove revenge

make revenge into heroic strike, that cleaves

:)

[jagged pier]

nah we just need a reworked tree honestly we have too many points that give like 5% damage

[ionic nimbus]

The only way to make whirlwind viable?

[cerulean tusk]

hah

removes revenge

we press WW

poor devs

Worst part is, if nothing else, we would start to use heroic throw to fill GCD

[ionic nimbus]

Yeah we have a lot of boring things

[cerulean tusk]

there aint no winning here

[pallid quiver]

Honestly, bringing back Heroic Strike/Cleave for Prot War would actually be a way if achieving their claimed goal of making you think about how to send IP, but it wouldn't solve the greater scope issues

[cerulean tusk]

If goal is to reduce APM, remove off GCD casts, bake them into GCD casts. Then reduce our haste, or give us dead GCD moments by pruning all the none CD spells

[pallid quiver]

If you remove all oGCDs, we're fine as is in terms of CPM

There's already faster specs at thta point

[cerulean tusk]

Well yea

but if they want to slow us down, they got to do stuff

that actually stops us from casting in a way that makes sense

having us starting to charge-weave with heroic throw, to fill GCDs aint the way

[pallid quiver]

don't talk about charge weaving, the banner stans will march in here and say we need double the apm like the good ol days

[ionic nimbus]

Bring back reprisal and casuals will cry to bring back 11.07 prot

[cerulean tusk]

What is weird, is that I only heard positive things about prot as is

[jagged pier]

i mean

[pallid quiver]

Heck, even Antorus tier Prot was faster if I remember one of my old logs

[jagged pier]

u should stil be charge weaving

technically

[pallid quiver]

That, yeah

Optimally you do still charge weave

[jagged pier]

just no one does it cause we have boat loads of rage anyway

[pallid quiver]

It's just a lot harder and not worth the mental

[cerulean tusk]

Aint nobody got time to chargeweave, I am rooting for DPS

[pallid quiver]

Since we miss the move speed from banner and we don't need to do it for SB

[jagged pier]

yer thats the thing u can charge weave so the dps dont need to move

[cerulean tusk]

Sure, but - it will cause ripples, I promise that

ppl panic and get angsty if you simply spasm wasd as you tank

[jagged pier]

like we aint seeing SLs prot back there was even bigger gap then than there is now

it would too hard for even more players

[cerulean tusk]

Meh, if they want to make it more beginner friendly - just add a talent for inefficent rage auto spend

Tho, I kinda expect a lot of ppl complaining, are the same ppl who dont press buttons at all already

[jagged pier]

ppl that dont or cant, theres a lot of ppl out there that cant do 90 apm for many reasons

[cerulean tusk]

"why I die", did you use shieldblock? 30% uptime
That aint an APM issue

"There is too much going on! reeee!"

[jagged pier]

i mean when mwahi went to the forums he saw a post asking if shield block always cost 30 rage

so you know

[cerulean tusk]

Hey, fair question I guess?

The question itself sounds just like someone who wants a tidbit of information for whatever reason

[pallid quiver]

To be fairz that guy was trolling I'm fairly positive

I looked at that thread when trying to gauge forums for thoughts on PTR Prot

There was jack all when I checked other than though

Most threads were from hot whilea before PTR

[cerulean tusk]

Not much to add, really - ppl said what they think

Now it is just waiting room to see how devs gonna "fix it"

If at all

[jagged pier]

there will likely be more changes

will they fix anything?

[cerulean tusk]

Trust in the devs

they wont let us down

TWW is a new expansion

[jagged pier]

[ionic fern]

Number changes will not fix it for me. :()

Hope it's something else.

[cerulean tusk]

Who knows, what if IP gets a 30000% boost?

hmmm?

hmmmmm?

[jagged pier]

wont let us down, havent touched us since DF beta cause none of them play it

[ionic fern]

I want my fast APM spec.

Please.

Thanks.

[cerulean tusk]

Go DH

:(

[ionic fern]

Nice one.

[jagged pier]

unfortunate u need to fine a new class now

[sharp dew]

Antorus was the highest apm prot has ever been iirc. Right now prot is ~70-75cpm, Antorus was 115-125

[cerulean tusk]

Noone beats soulconsumption APM, giga APM boost :v

[jagged pier]

cause they dont want us to be fast

[jagged pier]

SLs

antorus wasnt that high

[ionic fern]

Gotta slow down ALLLLLLLLLLL the classes.

[jagged pier]

glad was the highest

[ionic fern]

So nothing feels different.

[jagged pier]

at 120

[ionic fern]

And everything feels the same.

[strange night]

Who wants slow paced spec anyway ? This aint classic !

[sharp dew]

Do you happen to have gold Warcraft logs to check? I’m almost positive 110+ was normal in Antorus, and fdk’s were 120+, that tier was just insane for every spec

[jagged pier]

i dont have the thing, but im 99% sure it wasnt, it might have shown as 120 but u need to actually check what causes apm. like DHs eating souls counts

priests spirits

[sharp dew]

And then it went to bfa s1 where the apm was just straight gutted hahaha

[jagged pier]

count as apm

like ret now

their melees count as cpm cause crusader strike

like actually cpm was not 110-120

like rampage ticks or used too and gives like 3 cpm per cast or did

[pallid quiver]

FDK had something like that, Prot War didn't iirc

There was a trinket that added ghost apm? Maybe?

[jagged pier]

and prot was fast in antorus cause we had no cd on SS

but it wasnt as fast as SLs prot

i member checking in SLs

[pallid quiver]

HELL YEAH WE DIDN'T

it was funny

But yeah, Banner was faster

[jagged pier]

that tier set was disgusting

got reck 3 times in a min cause SS forever

[pallid quiver]

It's a shame there wasn't much content to actually use it on

[jagged pier]

well battle cry i think it was then but it was reck icon

[sharp dew]

I don’t even remember what the ability is called anymore, the one that gave crit, recklessness, ahh yes. Battle cry

[pallid quiver]

But yeah, Antorua was like 95-100? Iirc, and banner could get to like 100-110?

[jagged pier]

nah antorus was less

we didnt spam ip

[sharp dew]

You could b2b battle cry on opener with lust

[jagged pier]

cause it was a 10-90 rage per cast

so u didnt spam press it

[pallid quiver]

It was only 10-60 iirc

[jagged pier]

70s-80s i think

[pallid quiver]

It didn't take a full bar, I know that much at least

[sharp dew]

I definitely spammed the hell out of it every shield slam

[jagged pier]

still have to wait for the gcd tho

[heavy sparrow]

Any high key (12+) pushers using ara kara trinekt

[sharp dew]

Maybe that’s why I’m thinking 100+cpm

[jagged pier]

they thing that inflated SLs and now

is IP spam off the gcd

and there is all the cast u remeber spamming the button inbetwen using it

which i recommend u not do, to save your hands

[shut summit]

https://i.imgur.com/iYWz8Ky.png

that was a reclear of 1st boss in farm

[jagged pier]

okay bit higher, but yer another 20 too SLs level

[pallid quiver]

I'm a genius, it was close to 90

[jagged pier]

unless sense was squeaking back then

cant remeber when that came in

think it was SLs

[shut summit]

squeak didnt exist yet

was sl

[jagged pier]

[pallid quiver]

BRAIN BIG, me dumb and bad

But me remember sometimes good

It could squeak above I wager depending on fight length and trinkets and what not, but I definitely remember it around 90-ish

Still not Banner at all

squeak a bad word to use

[toxic pewter]

wat up gang wat i miss

[tribal wharf]

classic wow hc drama feels like soap opera i swear to god lmao

old young and restless or days of our lifes shit

bunch of ppl getting rich then they die to stupid shit suddenly after long time, go again

constantly rushed to hospital police

[cyan bronze]

dh is slow tho

[cerulean tusk]

DH gets super inflated APM on logs from eating shards :P

[cyan bronze]

yeah

didn’t read the comment til after

myb

wish it was faster

[heavy sparrow]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWoW/s/QJQpmrCwPE

[remote tusk]

Prot looking worse in upcoming patch?

[jagged pier]

yes

[cerulean tusk]

Jakey, dont doom - you supposed to say: "It is too early to say, as changes are still to come to balance for the nerfs we have recieved. Blah blah blah excuses for the situation"

[jagged pier]

well we dont know if they are ppl keep saying there might be more changes

there might not be

[cerulean tusk]

Doomer

[ionic nimbus]

The final evaluation of the prot warrior is possible when dungeons are tuned, so 11.1.7 we will know how good warrior will be KEKW

[cerulean tusk]

We wont know before 2 months in, after dungs are nerfed

[deft hinge]

Dont worry, prot warrior will be Totally viable for all content. Its only in the very highest of keys it will struggle compared to meta. The usual answer

[pallid quiver]

well it'll still feel like ass the entire time

so there's that

[cerulean tusk]

But functional ass, so hey

win?

[pallid quiver]

I'll be straight with you; I play some real shovelware games.

I 100% would prefer completely non-functional but fun/feels good slop

[cerulean tusk]

I love my slop

nomnomnom

with a sprinke of microtransactions to spice it up

[pure sinew]

This may seem dumb but how the heck do you ensure the first powdershots stop firing? I leap, charge, shockwave them and the shots still go off.

should i just wait for them to stop firing the first time.

[cerulean tusk]

You can just leap at em as they shooting, if you go in before they start, they will shoot after

Either way, you can just run a bit past them, to have em stop and you wont get hit either

If you want to play it supersafe:
Leap behind the box closest to them on the left <-- hand side. Then use heroic throw on them as they shoot, to interupt them

[tiny atlas]

Noob question: How do i log my M+ runs?

[remote anchor]

same way you do raids

[tiny atlas]

Well i only play M+ 😄

[pallid quiver]

Note that if you are using addons that autolog for you, some of them are set to automatically stop logging once you kill a boss

[remote anchor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iA9Ino5fHM

[pallid quiver]

#protection message

[tiny atlas]

Thanks. Will check it out o7

[pallid quiver]

take your pick as to whichever you like

One's a text guide from Jakey (my link) and the other's a video guide it looks like

[tiny atlas]

👍

[pure sinew]

ive tried this and they still shoot

[remote anchor]

yea but not at you

[tribal wharf]

its better than bad its good

[hardy snow]

Is it worth taking Wrecking Throw on Queen Ansurek?

[timber nest]

is skyterror organ not that good? i feel like its kinda gimmicky? like i have a 639 one and it does barely any damge

[civic rover]

is the green tint of the hidden artifact appearance unlocked via world quests or pvp?

[vague abyss]

how is warrior looking at the 11.1* PTR? seems like it got nerfed heavily according to some videos 😦
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM_MGeDNh00

tbh i would like to continue playing Prot, instead of being the 2152105th Paladin instead

[dry maple]

mean 11.1?

[vague abyss]

oh right, sorry, brainfart

[dry maple]

Was like, dude whats the future telling us!?

[vague abyss]

but seems like VDH is going to be the meta apparently, with PProt staying behind it. But also an interview with Ion seems to indicate that they will smoother the damage spikes, so i guess less 100% -> 10% hp scenarios

[old juniper]

Thats what they said when they nerfed every tank going into this expansion

[vocal cave]

I wouldnt believe a word Ion says

[jagged gust]

It's moreso that the changes make for a very slow, boring rotation, the vibe of the class is off and it doesn't feel good

[mighty valley]

It’s ALSO a big nerf

That’s just the part that’s easily fixable

[hardy snow]

They stated that they want to nerf our fun and high pace, can't fix that

[vague abyss]

is the classic case of "Fun detected" basically?

and yeah i loved the fast pace of pwar this season, never felt like paper either, at the very least i could do 10+ keys and heroic raid easily.

So basically is reducing rage generation, but that isnt the whole point of Mountain Thane?

i loved just spamming shield slam and clap on cooldown, and always having something to press.

[hardy snow]

Kind of, but it depends on a player. For me high pace of prot warrior was one of main reasons I decided to play it and was core part of the fun I had. Some may actually not like it, but for them there are slower specs as well.

[vague abyss]

yeah i believe why, never tanked before, tried pwar and really loved it. Ended maining warlock later because of what was needed in guild back then, but i was thinking in starting again as tank.

But i guess is because i pressed all my buttons, i kept my shield block on, used my cds and pressed ignore pain as much as i could. Very rarely i felt paper, and when i did, is because i forgot to use a cd in a tank-buster or something like that.

But my guild leader whos a warrior tank... he really struggles with it. He seems to not be able to play the high speed the class requires and hes often getting killed for not having shield block on 😦

[wicked pollen]

i think there is a bigger problem than speed

[dusky sentinel]

Did anyone test PTR and checked how it is? I still got faith in some changes being made after the entire tank community is going "wtf u doing to warrior?"

[mighty valley]

I think it’s reasonable to think that it’s kind of odd that we have more rage than we can spend on effective casts, and counterintuitive that we should often mash meaningless casts anyway because spending rage is so inherently good

I don’t think it’s a crime to rethink that model

But these changes don’t rethink that model

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, once shield block has a problem staying up, with the current talent tree, they like,

need to engage with the video game at all

[forest fern]

It’s more the class probably need a full rewrite if these are the issues. There were multiple expansions where they started to do it for prot in the lead up to releases on ptr and would bail on in shortly before due to time or unsatisfied with it. Lead up to legion and also shadowlands the redesign was being tried but never released.

[violet ginkgo]

@pallid quiver should I inhale that blizz will rework warrior?

[pallid quiver]

you'll need a large tank

because what we got probably is the rework

[violet ginkgo]

big enough? or not enough?

[pallid quiver]

You'll need to bankrupt India

[violet ginkgo]

[onyx pike]

Did Blizzard tweak anything with our threat mechanics? We're progressing on Queen Mythic, and all of a sudden, I keep losing aggro to our druid. I’m pulling 120k more DPS than her, but somehow she still rips threat off me. It can’t just be because I’m off the boss during Liquify, right?

[ionic fern]

Still some adjustments to come.

[pallid quiver]

There'll be adjustments, but no rework

That's my stance

[ionic fern]

Not that I know of.

[pallid quiver]

They did universally buff tank threat recently, but

that's universal

or was it still to come

one or the other

[onyx pike]

I had no problem the week before, now shes pulling aggro, idk whats going on. :kekw

[ionic fern]

We had something like that happen yesterday on one pull.

But other than that it was fine.

[pallid quiver]

just blame z-axis or something

[jagged gust]

Queen has had weird interactions with threat all season

[violet ginkgo]

how so?

[opal forum]

IP spamming was fine imo, MT pwar was the most fun i ever had on the spec. I dont even understand why they say its an issue, its balanced and engaging. Why do they waste their time killing our spec while theres actual balance issues on other classes

[jagged gust]

Inexplicable aggro swaps, usually I attest it to some range check while repositioning the boss during liquify but sometimes I just can't point out why the boss just randomly slaps the cotank 2 tank swaps deep

But yeah, z-axis shenanigans are as good to blame as anything else

[ionic fern]

Because your average Joe was not happy that the spec was fast.

[sharp gale]

I’ve had the same issue in my guild between brew/bdk, we think it is when the brew has the flurry strikes proc since it happens when it does too, so just regular rip aggro

Dps on details is the average, on one moment someone can be at 1 m dps and you are at 200k, you wouldn’t know with details

[onyx pike]

it usually happens when she going to drop liquify, i then taunt back do play webs and in that ~10s frame she accumilates so much aggro that i just can't pull back even with CDs

we assume its because of the constant bleedings from druid of the claw

[sharp gale]

Since it is a moment of heavy movement for the boss, do you stop attacking it to place it ?

[onyx pike]

yes i have to because our RL insists of enough space for webs

so i have to pre-move alot for the boss to move enough yards for the team to drop webs

I usually start running while she casts liquify

[sharp gale]

Not attacking means you are at 0 dps not 120k more than her

[onyx pike]

i mean i side-jump to not lose speed and maybe get 1-2 shield slams and thunderclap off

[sharp gale]

Yeah I’m trying to figure out with you sorry because I don’t tank myself in my prog

[onyx pike]

i keep uptime as high as possible

but at some point im out of melee from the boss just to kite her in time

i guess my co just has to watch aggro then

[sharp gale]

But on my pulls the aggro issue only happens on the first liquefy

Where the boss doesn’t move that much

[onyx pike]

I have no problem there

it's weird

and only since this week

[sharp gale]

Maybe the ring thunder lord proc if she plays it idk

[onyx pike]

she plays the queen thing

[sharp gale]

Yeah but she use it on pull or when she tanks

i guess she do it that way

My hunter understood to not literally use it right away

[ionic fern]

Got logs?

Check your taunt window casts.

[onyx pike]

what has the taunt windows to do with it?

maybe im missing something.

[onyx pike]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qdBxVPb3AJvwfWhM

[ionic fern]

Increased threat generation for 3 seconds.

[onyx pike]

im not able to use that

since i have to pre move

and miss out on 80% of my spells in that windows

[ionic fern]

Tell your RL to stop being a moron.

There's no need for "pre moving".

[onyx pike]

i can't im trial

[ionic fern]

[onyx pike]

not trial but, still new.

We leave so much space for webs that you could 3-4 stack them

imo you need very little space and just place them inside the boss and THEN move

but yea.

[tardy abyss]

[onyx pike]

feels like our players can only place them BEHIND the boss, not while she's ontpo of them, idk. :kekw

[ionic fern]

We literally leave the boss halfway in the Liquify pool

And people manage to drop webs properly.

[onyx pike]

word.

I tried to sneak in pulls playing that way but our melees called me out after 2-3 tries

u can see in the logs how far i have to move. so yea, im losing that bonus thread window.

[ionic fern]

In all of the pulls?

I didn't find a solid example from the few pulls I checked.

In general if your RL wants you to move that way,remember that you can taunt + heroic throw. It generates increased threat.

[onyx pike]

most pulls

maybe i just taunt when its ready again to catch up

i dont lose aggro within that window, only shortly before the next tank swap

[sharp gale]

I place my own puddle in the green shit

But I do that only on the first, after I just move max melee range according to « assignments »

[ionic fern]

You guys all good?

[jagged pier]

never

[ionic fern]

My bad,it's guardians didn't filter queen

Duuuuuude

Pull 23

When you lose agro

[jagged pier]

[ionic fern]

Problem solved

Press buttons more.

Spear before SC. Ravager earlier.

[jagged pier]

u dont need this trinket

ither

[onyx pike]

?

[ionic fern]

Your DPS is suuuuper low

[onyx pike]

mine?

[ionic fern]

That's 36 seconds into the fight..right when the druid got melees.

[onyx pike]

or the raids?

[ionic fern]

Yours

[onyx pike]

idk

i feel like im mashing everything thats off cd :kekw

what trinket for swarm?

[vague abyss]

wondering about our dps, i liked the fact that early in the season the pwarrior was doing dps damage lol, we still do decent damage, just not as much as prot palas. But now with the rage nerf and now that we are rage starved, can we even use revenge?

[ionic fern]

I'm usually around 850-900k DPS at that point and I'm 630 ilvl.

[vague abyss]

yeah i average 800-900k dps if stuff goes right

[onyx pike]

im confused

im usually around that mark too

800-900k

[vague abyss]

yeah thats our damage bro, maybe the real pros here do more, but thats it for us

[ionic fern]

Colossus does use Revenge..nothing really changes for them. Thane will use less IP and more Revenge with the changes to fish for SS resets.

[onyx pike]

sounds omega fun.

[vague abyss]

oh, i was wondering if Mountain Thane would be still good, i really love those power claps

[onyx pike]

we swapping collosus in s2 with the upcoming changes?

[vague abyss]

didnt like colossus because it meant having a extra button, we have enough buttons already as it is lol

[ionic fern]

That was one of the pulls where he ripped aggro.

And that was definitely due to DPS difference.

I didn't go over all of the pulls as I'm on my mobile.

But you should fix your opener,you're not even hitting 1m constantly.

[vague abyss]

yeah queen is usually very delicate with the aggro. Have seen it way too many times tanks vaporizing because they took aggro while under liquefy

[onyx pike]

got it

I can't go all out in my opener tho because THEN i rip aggro off our druid

[ionic fern]

Also,the defensive trinket - do you have any other choises?

[onyx pike]

1st boss trinket

[ionic fern]

He should strat with a taunt,and you will taunt about 7s in anyways ..shouldn't be a issue.

[vague abyss]

why not? do you start the pull or the druid? honestly is better for the pwar to get liquefy, we can shrug most of it with block spell and spell reflect

[onyx pike]

druid starts yes

[hardy snow]

I disagree that we have more rage than we can spend. That's not true in Thane, and Colossus have it even less. And for us even dumping rage in IP is still an effective cast due to AM and Indomitable.

[ionic fern]

Jeah,druid needs Liquify as he has to shape shift roots.

[onyx pike]

everyone with that comp has it that way, druid liquify, pwar feast

[ionic fern]

Jep,that is correct way.

[vague abyss]

i remember a raid where i paired with a blood dk, the blood dk would always get all the feasts (i just took aggro back as soon as the liquefy debuff ended)

[jagged pier]

nah should be fine druid of the claws u keep the tankiness for 6 seconds in cat form

[onyx pike]

pwarr just feels ass in raids ima be honest. But it's my first raid in years 😄 haven't raided in 10+ years and only did m+

should've played DK or Pally.

[sharp gale]

Yeah because you want the better on their own niche

[ionic fern]

Sure,but feast is also w/e for warrior.

[vague abyss]

feast is good, we can block most of it because is physical damage

[onyx pike]

i got blamed for eating 35m~ shields with feast

[jagged pier]

both at whatevre for warrior as u block the dot from liquify

[ionic fern]

It's great in raids. 😦

[ionic fern]

Shield Wall + DS + full IP and you afk chilling feasts.

[onyx pike]

i played DK for ovinax and it just felt better, utility and all

i know, 35m is normal, my healers just sucked

[vague abyss]

warrior is fine in raids, i have an idiot guild leader who cant keep his shield block active more than 30% of the time

people like him is the reason the pwar is being slowed down 😦

[onyx pike]

i had feast up for over 25s

[sharp gale]

If you talk about gameplay/mechs, it’s just tanking in raid, it is the worst role

[vague abyss]

tanking in raid is... easy? at least in heroic is probably the most easy role by far

[onyx pike]

it is, it's just so plain as pwarr

DK feels more fun

[sharp gale]

Imagine nothing changes for tanks in mythic but bosses takes 100+ pulls

[vague abyss]

i mean, it wont be because the tanks are made of paper i guess. at least not the pwar

[sharp gale]

After 5 pulls you stare at your own reflection on your screen

[onyx pike]

true

[ionic fern]

That's super subjective.

[vague abyss]

usually the raid wipes are due to mechanics, is very rare for it to be a tank fault

[onyx pike]

maybe im phasing out too much after 100+ pulls now hence my dmg sucks

or im just bad

for queen we have too many people failing p1 sadly, after 100+ pulls. they still die to web blades

[sharp gale]

And if it is tank’s fault it is bc of basic normal raid tank mech (taunt swap)

[vague abyss]

i honestly im happy with my warrior, tanked a bit in another guild, got my fun tanking, but eventually made it a m+ only character. Loved my Warlock Destro, did gigadps, made to 4/8 mythic.

Probably gonna start the season with warrior, maybe even main it with a dps spec (becuase sadly in the guild i am i dont have a tank slot 😦 )

so the news of pwar nerfs just make me sad

i just wish we dont get denied on keys for that

[sharp gale]

If you play multiple patch as tank you will see the swap there are only like 3-4 differents and they just put this one on that boss etc

[ionic fern]

People get declined for keys due to low IO.

[vague abyss]

nah even if you have the IO; you can get declined just because you are not a meta spec

[ionic fern]

Depends on keylevel.

[vague abyss]

my holy paladin sometimes takes a while to get invited and i can easily do 10s lol

[ionic fern]

I get insta invited to 10s.

[vague abyss]

but because every tierlist puts the hpalas on the bottom list, then we starve

[sharp gale]

Im switching to a range with tank spec just for that

[ionic fern]

So...a druid?

[vague abyss]

i mean at this point 10s are super easy, i just dont like pushing keys tbh, so my IO is stuck at the 2700s

[ionic fern]

It's chill

I'm a +10 hero as well

[vague abyss]

but yeah, i get instainvited at this point

[ionic fern]

[sharp gale]

Yeah, I’m hesitating with evoker (healer queue) but I don’t know if they get instant invites

[vague abyss]

evoker is getting good food next patch

[jagged pier]

and i still have garbage trinkets

[vague abyss]

probably top tier with mistweaver

[sharp gale]

I don’t care about tiers tbh, I play fury warrior

[ionic fern]

I got heroic sacbrood and shard @jagged pier .

[jagged pier]

at least u have a shard

[vague abyss]

i do play furies, but with tank gear so is not optimal, but meh, for heroics and 10s is more than enough

[sharp gale]

It is enough for myth raid too

[vague abyss]

cant be arsed to get actual fury gear other than the 2h weapon lol

[sharp gale]

I was 6/8MM when I managed to have mastery and get rid of my 35% haste

[vague abyss]

nah for myth raids i go with my main warlock destro, but nah, gave up on kyvessa. 4/8 is fine enough i guess, 200+ pulls and guild just threw the towel

[jagged pier]

[sharp gale]

I see kyvesa as 5th

[vague abyss]

i wouldnt go with a unoptimal character to myth tbh, wouldnt take a slot just to do garbage dps 😦

[sharp gale]

If your guild are only 99s parsers I would see an argument

[vague abyss]

true enough, nah more than average, but not the 1% percent people xD

[sharp gale]

My guild, we are on ansurek, half of roster have just 9% raid buff

[vague abyss]

mythic ansurek? nice 😄

heroic ansurek is already hard enough, do they just delete the tanks with the feast/liquefy?

[jagged pier]

eh?

they do nothing

[sharp gale]

It’s as heroic or any bosses swaps, if you don’t do the swap you die

That’s it

WoW classic mech

[vague abyss]

oh i see

[sharp gale]

That’s why I don’t’ tank in raid, I did in nyalotha, never again

[vague abyss]

yeah is kinda boring, i prefer to dps instead

[next yacht]

I think this is maximum that i can do with PUG as a prot warr

[sharp gale]

GG!

[vague abyss]

3.3k io is really good as a pug lol. I have terrible luck with PuGs

[hardy snow]

That's just trolling at this moment of season, to have such buff on last boss prog with guild imo.

[vague abyss]

my guild got aotc like 2 weeks ago, i got aotc in a pug with many many wipes on week 8 lol

people just cant do the poison nova mechanic xD

[sharp gale]

Not really trolling, they just don’t want to do LfR, you don’t need it to kill the boss, we have 639 ilvl

[north atlas]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CvaT8hb2ZMX9VHjB normal but decent parces

[sharp gale]

We are in mode who cares about the buff lel

[ionic fern]

Hei,I got only 9% and I'm on mythic queen.

No bully.

[sharp gale]

Yeah we are not really hard on the buff or the ring, ofc we joke on you during the raid, but dudes just do what dudes want to do

[tardy abyss]

Its less about luck but how much time you wanna spend in the queue simulator

(and partially how good you are)

Personally Id go crazy when pugging >3.3k because not being able to call externals in hard pulls sucks

[next yacht]

I just talk with the healer before we start and have a macro where i tell in party chat 'external' .Its working very well usually.

[tardy abyss]

I guess most healers at that rating have a brain

And track cds of every member

[strong forum]

i have enough finery already for ALL OF NEXT SEASON

[ionic fern]

I haven't raided on warrior

[strong forum]

so just...

[ionic fern]

Just got pulled to mythic queen.

[strong forum]

transfer your finery

[ionic fern]

I've used all of it in druid

[strong forum]

its acc wide

[ionic fern]

And we are extending queen

[strong forum]

you know that ye?

[ionic fern]

The Buff?

[strong forum]

yes

[remote anchor]

the tokens too

[ionic fern]

[strong forum]

MWAHI

[ionic fern]

I did not know that.

[strong forum]

[ionic fern]

I'm sorry!!.

[strong forum]

like im hard chillin

[hardy snow]

https://tenor.com/view/the-book-of-boba-fett-this-is-the-way-the-armorer-mandalorian-gif-25545276

[jagged pier]

yer u raid on all chars like every week

[strong forum]

mwahi did you kill queen yet

[ionic fern]

No,we're p3.

[strong forum]

nah i stopped doing hc on other chars since week 3 or 4

only doing 4/8M-7/8M on alts now

[strong forum]

so shes dead any pull then

i think we had a total of 2 p3 pulls and then she died

[ionic fern]

Yes - if people stop dying on platforms randomly.

[strong forum]

tbf 14 people in my group are hof

[tardy abyss]

I wish we would be 7/8M by now, we lost like 7 raids because of missing people 😦

But hey, at least court is at 50% now...

[strong forum]

but we killed queen in 52 pulls

[tardy abyss]

52? lol

[strong forum]

well yeah 75% of the raid had already killed queen multiple times

[tardy abyss]

ah fair

[remote anchor]

post on twitter now how queen is a 52 pull boss if you prep for it