M+ strat questions: a) in NW, the two cleaver adds just before meat hook boss, I was told I need to make them target each other...how? and b) for Avanoxx in Ara, I feel like I have to drag him all over to stay clear of the eggs/adds and the webs on the ground - what's the general kite look like for him? I've watched a couple of videos, no one does it the same.
#protection
cunning oriole
proven plume
- thats out of your control the dps aims the hooks since both mobs are melee they should be close to anyways
- spider boss will depend on your group but the meta way is to tank boss near eggs and have your dps bait adds in a different direction
knotty pewter
have your back to the eggs and have your team behind you on the eggs themselves. they wont fixate on you. (assuming no one vanishes/melds or it bugs which occasionally happens after a stun, in these cases it can refixated the tank)
wild chasm
I've heard that he only eats the adds if any fixated person is in his "circle" (the one that appears when you target him) so, if you do what Oracle said, you should be clear off of that and the dps can just cleave the adds and boss simultaneously
knotty pewter
no an add fixated on anyone regardless of where they are standing will be eaten if the boss gets too close to it.
if everyone is behind you and the boss is infront of you you are in the clear. (assuming you dont get a tank refixate which is rare)
also helps by keeping the adds stacked and they die quicker
also stacks the party which aids healing
storm stone
Is there a list of list of what m+/ raid spells are reflectable or when to use the spell block cooldown? Coming from DK I’m used to just ignoring magic damage and movement mechanics so it’s a hell of an adjustment
And brewmaster can just run away from its problems
knotty pewter
theres also a weak aura but its a little scuffed to run as prot since it triggers off target of caster
storm stone
Yeah speaking of
knotty pewter
will trigger off all kinds of casts that arent actually on you
storm stone
I need to go looking for new weak auras
I usually use luxthos for my weak auras but it’s not doing so great for warr
Too much stuff overlapping
floral trail
How big is the prot nerf from m+ perspective with 11.1 changes?
pure sinew
Whats the better talent Defenders Aegis (Two shield wall charges) or impenetrable wall (CD reduction+rage) in higher keys?
pallid quiver
Whats the better talent Defenders Aegis (Two shield wall charges) or impenetrabl...
Unless you need shield wall directly back to back at some point, Imp Wall is better since it gives more CDR than the amount provided by DA, so you get more shield walls and reduction overall
pallid quiver
How big is the prot nerf from m+ perspective with 11.1 changes?
And still pretty bad; ST damage is taking a huge hit, which still matters in M+ due to bosses, and aoe damage will get dipped a bit as well. Survival will technically go down as well, especially with Shield Wall not getting recycled as fast as it is now, but you'll still be able to function
frail ibex
Good thing I started to branch out to other tanks 🙂
pallid quiver
Good thing I started to branch out to other tanks 🙂
Monkey's Paw curls; you don't have to play the nerfed Prot War, but after PTR, the other tanks all get hit even harder to the point they literally can't even clear +10s at max ilvl
vocal cave
can you check on logs how many procs of roaring gem you had on fight?
gleaming pawn
hello, is feast on queen dmg reduced by blocking it by chance? Also is stacking CD's like wall + demo shout worth making the absorb shield lower?
pallid quiver
Feast is unblockable iirc, and you should always have shield wall available for feast
Probably don't need to fuss over demo even on mythic
You can help with the heal absorb after with Last Stand into Impending Victory afterwards
Honestly, thinking about how far apart the feasts are, you probably have it for every feast if you're playing well, anyhow,
So it would just be up and then you can also Shield Wall every feast
gleaming pawn
just trying to figure out what all i can do to reduce the shield, just curious is all
wicked pollen
could you not take the liquify instead
wild chasm
Timed an SV, where we were boosting the dk and DH went offline after 2nd pack lol
Is that an acceptable dps for thane?
vocal cave
Feast is unblockable iirc, and you should always have shield wall available for ...
it is blockable I believe
pallid quiver
doesn't look like it from logs here
Infest's physical portion is blockable, though
vocal cave
hmm I get 90% average mitigation per cast
pallid quiver
Yeah, I don't see a single log with Feast being blocked
it doesn't really hit that hard, though, at least, due to armor just passively gutting it before we even consider anything else
shut summit
feast was specifically made unblockable iirc, cause block too strong (sometimes))
vocal cave
anyway it doesnt hurt at all on warr
pallid quiver
oh hey, it's the person whose logs i was jacking for the screenshots
the day sense stops m raiding is the day my log reading days are truly over
vocal cave
I thought it was blockable since it really hurts on dh w/o meta
shut summit
the day sense stops m raiding is the day my log reading days are truly over
they really testin me with the upcomin changes
vocal cave
they will revert these (copium)
though if I had to make a guess they will stick to the changes and aura buff everything by 20%
pallid quiver
That's my kneejerk is that they'll just settle for aura buffs of some kind
and just leave colossus dying in the dirt
torn gulch
will aura buffs even help with such rage generation nerfs?
collosus will suffer immensely from it
pallid quiver
In terms of survival stuff, no
But they're fairly fine nerfing tank survival as a whole based on their reasoning for tank-wide changes from before xpac
torn gulch
they could've left the spec with no changes for next season and that would've been enough
pallid quiver
It sounds as a whole like they'd prefer tank survival to depend on the healer again, but they're aware that the playerbase hates that
torn gulch
and now we have one of the most severe tank shortages in m+
pallid quiver
But the damage gap between Prot War and other tanks would be definitely notable, so they'd likely just aura buff
torn gulch
in the history of m+
you need to like to get hit IRL to enjoy tanking in m+ at this point
urban bane
vocal cave
It sounds as a whole like they'd prefer tank survival to depend on the healer ag...
from 3 tanks I play 3 of them are pretty self sustainable with just some maintenance heals like earth shield etc
so they pretty much missed on that and are buffing the other 2
pallid quiver
Yeah, like I mentioned, they'd prefer tank survival to depend on the healer again,
but they know that leads to bad times and very negative player feedback
Even from non-tanks who don't care, because their shouting stems ultimately from what people who play tanks have to do to enable what people want to do when tanks are bad and can't sustain themselves
urban bane
I love how they make all these changes because of healers whining about wanting to heal more
and there still are no healers
Healer mains are broken and ill
Never listen to what they want
pallid quiver
that's because all the people complaining about that are either bad healers, casual healers who would play no matter what, or people who don't actually play healers complaining on their behalf
The actual good healers want things that are healthy to heal
urban bane
pallid quiver
So not mechanics that blast people out of nowhere and give you 2 seconds before they get pulsed,
and not mechanics that are just solved by passive smart heals
But things you are able to respond to in a reasonable timeframe by not having encounters pre-planned and have meaningful engagement with
since most of those kinds of mechs are solved by people just pressing their buttons and leeching/self-healing/etc
mighty valley
part of it is that I think blizzard and the discord-posting high end playerbase thinks of as a “high key” is pretty different
infinite scaling is gonna get to some pretty unfun stuff to heal eventually
raid healing gets better play feedback, partly because there are easier balance targets
pallid quiver
part of it is that I think blizzard and the discord-posting high end playerbase ...
this is corroborated by them buffing up the +12 affix just recently for S2
I don't think they really want people going up to like +18s or anything; it's really supposed to hover around that 12-14 angle
errant oriole
so are prot warriors going to be down as in shadowlands prot war?! lol
vocal cave
wdym, with sepulcher 4p and double legendary warrior was nuts in SL
errant oriole
WELL I mean lets say s1
idk i love prot war i just dont want it to be a training dummy for mobs lol
pallid quiver
so are prot warriors going to be down as in shadowlands prot war?! lol
no
They'd have to absolutely gut the talent tree for that
(Talking about S1 SL)
100% uptime on shield block is guaranteed from the talent tree alone unless they decide to absolutely kill Prot War's entire design
And that alone will bring Prot War through a lot of content
mighty valley
prot warrior in sl s1 took a whole lot more work to be only slightly worse than other tanks
if you weren’t good at it, it was disastrous
pallid quiver
and even the good tanks still got slapped iirc
mighty valley
everyone was kinda getting slapped in s1, but yeah, we were getting slapped worst
pallid quiver
by good tanks i meant the other classes
it was VDH to kite mostly, iirc
I don't recall, I didn't even make it to M+ before going "this xpac sucks, I'm out" and dipped for almost all of it
mighty valley
I’m a shadowlands contrarian but it was definitely hard
pallid quiver
I didn't, and still don't, like any of its aesthetics except for like, Nathria
That's like the main thing to me most of the time
If dungeon/zone aesthetics don't gel, I hate it
I can even put up with garbage if I like the aesthetics
mighty valley
Diffrent strokes, I think it’s the best art direction of any recent expansion
Maybe ever? I’d have to think hard
Eh probably doesn’t beat MoP
pallid quiver
MoP is top tier for me
I actually like a lot of Cata's dungeons, as well
hence why I was pretty okay with Tides when most people hated it
turbid shuttle
tides was a perfectly fine dungeon
boreal heath
this is corroborated by them buffing up the +12 affix just recently for S2
They nerfed the +12 affix tho
pallid quiver
They brought it to 10-12%, didn't they, for PTR?
pallid quiver
They nerfed the +12 affix tho
turbid shuttle
it's not an exact nerf or buff
it used to be an extra 10% flat going 11-12. now it's 2% per key level extra
so for some key levels it's a nerf and some it's a buff
pallid quiver
in other news, i have finally found a way for tanks to have a real meaningful way to brick the brood encounter
they just pulled her across to the entire other side of the room in the middle of a platform
there were still eggs to break
boreal heath
They basically distributed the 10% from the +12 over 12-17
Then made 18+ keys harder
It's a nerf buff, a burff
crimson crest
Hey guys, new to this community. I was wondering if you could give me a few pointers, locked behind +10, even timed some +2, but somehow i'm not skilled enough to not feel squishy, so i have the latest log from MoTS.
I really wanna push to +11 but last time i did one, they left even before we got the first boss, this was pugs.
I really like warrior, so i'd like to learn more, and push my limits to where i want to be, i've almost watched every Youtube videos on guide for different dungeons and guides.
Hope you will take you time to help me.
Don't know if a log would help
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/73GLTpKVZtgC1j9P?fight=last
opal forum
ur block rate is too low
pallid quiver
Hey guys, new to this community. I was wondering if you could give me a few poin...
give me a sec to page through and I'll have bits for ya
So, my first thing I looked at based on what you were saying was actually at interrupts; you only ever interrupted with something that wasn't pummel once
to be fair, there's not much that needs to be stopped with shockwave/storm bolt/etc in Mists, but there were casts that got through that you could have stopped. People generally won't notice a tank's direct performance as long as the tank doesn't die, so things that would make people leave are things that kill them, like unstopped casts
A good bit of why you probably feel squishy is due to criminally under using your defensives;
Shield Wall only got used 18 times in a dungeon. Even with double wall, you should still have a much higher number of casts due to the CDR given by anger management.
also you should stop using double wall unless you need shield wall back to back
you're squishier overall due to less walls over time
Also, a good chunk of your squishiness comes from not having enduring alacrity, as well
8% armor is a lot to just give up for a pseudo-cheat like BSV
If you really want to keep BSV, you're going to have to give up Ravager or swap Shield Charge+Champion's Bulwark for BSV+Bolster
You're also still managing to waste a decent amount of rage, as well, since you wasted just shy of 900 at 895 rage, which means less IP and CDR on your abilities
crimson crest
Phew, i got something to learn here, i really appreciate the help! 😄
pallid quiver
I'd also personally avoid ITF at your level of haste, since it can be a pain or very tight if you're not comfortable to keep 100% block uptime
Cast breakdown as a whole seems on the right track, though you miiiight be sitting on SS resets and TB/TC casts sometimes, but it's not too majorly out of line. Not worth focusing on atm
Swapping to Heavy Rep will probably help get your blocked hits back above 90%, which will do a lot for helping you feel less squishy
Spell Reflect is also likely being criminally under-used, since it only had 15 casts throughout the dungeon
So my main takeaway of advice would be the talent swaps into leveraging your Defensive CDs better
Those two will probably give you the most immediate bang-for-your-buck improvement, since your overall play is pretty fine, otherwise
crimson crest
Thank you thank you! I'll start right away looking into those improvement! Much appreciated! 🙂
proven plume
Hey guys, new to this community. I was wondering if you could give me a few poin...
your ring dmg seems really low what gems are you using?
you can def be getting more use out of impending victory its a real easy heal
try to press demo shout off cooldown it gets lowered with each thunderclap
crimson crest
your ring dmg seems really low what gems are you using?
[Stormbringer's Runed Citrine]
[Fathomdweller's Runed Citrine]
[Legendary Skipper's Citrine]
According to wowhead 🙂
So demo shout can't be used to often?
crimson crest
Okay, i'll begin to spam that 🙂
proven plume
do you know how to sim ? you should sim your gems
crimson crest
Yea, have done that multiple times, with same results :/
proven plume
hmm this is how much dmg my gems do
around 100 mil and in your log it was only 22 mil
crimson crest
Well, that different gems too, should i be using dmg gems instead of stats gems? 🙂
ionic fern
No.
You can always sim yourself to see what comes up ahead for any particular scenario,but generally speaking stat gems are better.
They just don't look as fancy since they don't show up on dps meters.
proven plume
good point the answer should be just simyourself and use the strongest gems
like the mastery gem will get more mileage if you have more mastery etc
crimson crest
I thought so, but it could be me there was wrong 🙂
And even at 5 targets, it still shows the gems that i have, so i'm keeping those in the spot 🙂
proven plume
how come you dont have myth 1 hander and myth shield? it looks like you mythic raid
you can get shield and 1 hander from first 3 bosses
a little upgrade wont be a big deal
storm stone
Yall serious question here, how do you deal with that pull near the end of ara kara
The one with the double blood speakers while you’re getting slower 90%
No matter what tank I play I can never tank it in such a way that nobody dies
So idk if there’s a trick to it I don’t understand or if it’s just a giga suck ass pull no matter what
crimson crest
you can get shield and 1 hander from first 3 bosses
Unlucky i gues :/
proven plume
The one with the double blood speakers while you’re getting slower 90%
You need to dodge one with leap and avatar to remove the slow another to dodge webs
crimson crest
Or use intervene 🙂
proven plume
if you talent into disrupting shout you can interput both of them at the same time since they sync up
storm stone
You need to dodge one with leap and avatar to remove the slow another to dodge w...
What do you mean dodge? I can get out of the casts with heroic leap yeah
It’s just the raw damage and debuffing
proven plume
well that pack is only tank dmg if no cast goes off
and the only way to die as a tank is getting hit by the web stun
storm stone
Idk if I’m doing something wrong or what
So it’s just supposed to be a really high damage couple packs
proven plume
it is pretty intense but nothing too hard the pack should be only auto attacking you
theres no damage spikes its all controlled so just have shield block and dodge the circles pop shield wall etc
storm stone
Ok so it is intense. Good to know
proven plume
since its the last trash pack you can pop everythign the last boss does little tank damage
storm stone
They were Eve. Giving me trouble on my pre nerf blood dk
proven plume
i would guess its harder for a DK
plain auto attacks are warriors expertise
ionic fern
The one with the double blood speakers while you’re getting slower 90%
Pretty sure you can reflect some of the slows. Avatar - Intervene - Leap are your friends otherwise. It's the only part where I don't send Avatar on CD.
strong forum
The one with the double blood speakers while you’re getting slower 90%
I just don't do it. If I can avoid it, otherwise bring a pally, have intervene and leap ready
That pull just fucking suuuuuuucks
I hate it so much
signal yoke
hi, im not sure to understand how IP works.. Is that stack ? the amount of shield is about damages taken ? sorry for this, im new
oak ivy
hi, im not sure to understand how IP works.. Is that stack ? the amount of shiel...
Mitigates 50% of incoming damage
Damage mitigated this way is subtracted from the remaining absorb
Say you have an IP of 3000
A mob hits you for 2000 damage
IP Absorbs 50% (1000) of that
Your actual health bar takes 1000
You now have an IP of 2000
If you cast IP again, you then have an IP of 5000 (remaining plus new, up to a cap of I believe 30% of your max health)
(ignoring other sources of mitigation for simplicity)
signal yoke
Ok thanks, so i can stack IP for 30% of my health bar, its a good news
brave marlin
How often and when do you guys use execute?
remote anchor
just to pass away when shield block needs rage
north atlas
Are you guys using ravager on your build on mid to high level keys
tardy abyss
Are you guys using ravager on your build on mid to high level keys
Yes, one of our best skills to have
north atlas
Ug time to rework my build then
tardy abyss
Just use what the guides have
north atlas
I havnt played colos yet
strong forum
jagged gust
they didnt listen
People still using week 1 yoda build, it is what it is
north atlas
You have a build i can steal?
jagged pier
People still using week 1 yoda build, it is what it is
funny i found out yesterday i said paladin was meta in october and ppl didnt listen to me then ither
north atlas
K
strong forum
Mind you colossus is squishier and a different kind of braindead compared to thane
It's a lot more punishing if you fuck up your rage
So unless you know what you're doing and have good amount of crit, I'd recommend sticking to thane
Thane kinda only cares about haste whereas colossus wants crit + haste out the wazoo
north atlas
I believe my crit is only 18%
I just lvled my warr a few weeks ago and am doing fury for raids prot for keys
jagged gust
Good choice
strong forum
If you're new to the spec just try whatever tickles your fancy
Trying things can do no harm
north atlas
Not new new, but havnt played it since cata
jagged gust
new to the 2 hero specs, at least
north atlas
Yea , ive had little ussues so far woth thane gotten upto 10s when i was 618 i lvl
frigid valley
If i find myself not getting any resets, not having anything to press for 1-2 globals, and no rage for revenge for fishing, is that rotational issue or can that just happen every now and then?
strong forum
Rotational issue yea
frigid valley
bank more rage for backup revengers and not overuse of IP?
strong forum
Means you fucked up and sent an ignore pain when instead you shoulda sent 1-2 revenge
When SS is on cd and TC your only button, don't ignore pain when you only have 40 rage
Just sit and see if TC resets SS
If it does, you can send ip->SS
If it doesn't, you revenge
If you follow this simple rule set, you should not run into ever having dead globals
jagged gust
That's why it's recommended to pool rage to ~70 before sending off another IP, because that scenario happens from time to time
frigid valley
awesome. tyvm, felt like something was a bit off
long kayak
That pull just fucking suuuuuuucks
That pack is simple, everyone should use personal walls for aoe,
assign marks and for the dps to interrupt the casts.
Dont fall asleep while tanking and you will get out of the webs in time.
strong forum
I ain't saying I can't do it
I just hate it
Cuz I physically break my leg irl with that fucking 90% slow
And being fucked up by 180 mobs
Cuz 6 grasping slashers + 6 the flying fucks + 2 overseers
No bueno
Shit hurts
north atlas
Ara?
strong forum
Yeah
north atlas
I know the pull...died a cpl times
strong forum
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148897941883584512/1306677675544...
All I see is me making the exact same statement I just did
God im consistent as FUCK
oak ivy
That pull just fucking suuuuuuucks
With the friends I key with I basically always have a ret a ww or both so it's avatar freedom avatar freedom for however long that pull takes
Or avatar leap
or leap avatar, we play by ear in this household
dusky patrol
is big wigs enough for raids as tanks or do you recommend any tank WAs additionally?
eg when to taunt
remote anchor
depends if you want to learn the fights or just a taunt now sound/text
the raid packs have taunt auras in them i think
grim pilot
I just don't do it. If I can avoid it, otherwise bring a pally, have intervene a...
jet stream too strong
nerf it
That pull is so fucking horrendously bad
tardy abyss
is big wigs enough for raids as tanks or do you recommend any tank WAs additiona...
Raid / dungeon WAs help a lot more than addons imo
Addons are only good to see stuff more in advance
dusky patrol
Raid / dungeon WAs help a lot more than addons imo
kk
any specific WAs to recommend?
tardy abyss
Liquid
golden panther
is the trink even good for prot
jagged pier
no
golden panther
ok bet not even situationally right?
guess I could jsut check bloodmallet but skarmorak is just always better prob
jagged gust
that trinket has haunted my last 3 vaults
jagged pier
ok bet not even situationally right?
its like worth slightly less than 1 full ip on a what 1min cd on a button u dont want to send just randomly
doesnt sound good to me
golden panther
true haha guess its sockets yet again
pallid quiver
On tip of that, it's borderline useless for like half the raid fights, since the damage in like half of them comes from before the tank swap or way after the tank swap
even worse, raid doesn't even hurt tanks outside, like, princess on mythic
pallid quiver
can't say i'm inclined to agree, but i've only looked at sense's logs for myth queen, so I could be biased
golden panther
yeah i actually took the neck for dps since the lack of haste actually fixes my stat distribution a little
appreciate the advice
red tree
Myth track void pactstone kinda butts? Got the option of that or a myth track chest
kind urchin
Myth shield in the vault today boys.
sweet summit
W
wild fractal
Myth shit-a-rang score!!!!
small quail
Blizzard looking at prot to fix something that isn’t even a problem I see.
How bad is this expected to be for rage gen? I obviously won’t be able to send IPs like a Willy nilly next patch. Is the added 30 percent an effective offset? They came at our rage gen hard as fuck
cerulean tusk
We will see if the buffs are impactful enough to redo the harm done to the fun factor
If so, then all is fine and dandy
small quail
I think you’re giving blizz too much grace here. It takes them a bit to realize when they fucked up.
sweet summit
unless i missed a post it's not nearly enough
round wolf
This is why I like playing Alts
In case one gets nerfed to dog
sharp gale
How bad is this expected to be for rage gen? I obviously won’t be able to send I...
It depends if 30% more per IP will compensate the X% less IP
I over exaggerate the number but since 90% of rage is spend on IP, X% less rage means the same X% less IP
urban portal
Even if the ip buff makes up for it, you get less shield walls less avatars
cerulean tusk
And bigger IP is more fun gameplay after all!
sharp gale
Idk why blizzard don’t understand anger management is the reason number one why prot is fun
signal field
if i intervene a paladin who sac's my blood dk for the feast hit on queen, will I take damage?
urban bane
Hahah there is no "we'll see" or "it depends" -- it is absolutely a dogshit tradeoff
cerulean tusk
if i intervene a paladin who sac's my blood dk for the feast hit on queen, will ...
No, as redirected damage is not something intervene affects. It is only direct ranged and melee attacks
signal field
but stormshield will still do something yeah?
cerulean tusk
That is the magic dam shield? Not sure if sac is true damage or the damage type absorbed
Lets see - seems to be based on the type of damage taken. So ye, if hit by magic dam, then your shield should absorb it
No clue for sure, but that is my best guess on that interaction
signal field
since feast is 100% phys it probably wont do anything then
cerulean tusk
Shouldn't do nuffin', maybe. Easy to check tho. Just bring your paladin to open world, you taunt a mob, he sacs you, you intervene him - see if the shield takes the hits.
vocal cave
random overaggro on raids from cotank will be so fun with these tier sets :>
grizzled orbit
How bad are we next patch
sharp gale
random overaggro on raids from cotank will be so fun with these tier sets :>
Hopefully we can intervene the active tank to have a tier set when we are not the active one
Idk how it will create over aggro since the other tank doesn’t have a set if he doesn’t tank
vocal cave
tbh cant wait for paladin to get random proc from enviromental damage and go full casino on boss with free sotrs
obsidian girder
Anyone tried tanking with brew or bdk lately ? Heard quite bad things about BDK - anyone would share his experience in short ?
sharp gale
I used to main brew in bfa, and the only knowledge I have of bdk is at some point in m+ you just get os on pull (idk if it’s still true now tho)
vocal cave
whats wrong with bdk? its still the same as in you take dmg, you press death strike, on repeat
played whole tier with bdk and it goes as usual tbh
it is pretty garbage in m+, more than usual if you're not deathbringer
sharp gale
As usual so it does get os at some point in m+ ?
vocal cave
DB can go pretty high, sanlyn will get onetap significantly faster
obsidian girder
As usual so it does get os at some point in m+ ?
Os?
sharp gale
Oneshoted
obsidian girder
Wtf
vocal cave
Sanlyn can get one tapped even on raid if taken a buster on bare chest
obsidian girder
Looking for a tank alt, just dungeons. Seems like BDK is out then 😅
sharp gale
Bdk mini game is taking dmg and healing with death strike, in high keys it can happens that the dmg is more than your current health
obsidian girder
Tried paladin, but man I cannot get into it. Clunky and wierd
Bear is dull
And I guess if I try brew, it will be button blost as always
vocal cave
if youre just for chill m+, id say avoid dk and dh. Play bear, war , pal
sharp gale
Paladin is keep armor buff and rotation of « small » cds
tardy abyss
Paladin is keep armor buff and rotation of « small » cds
Tbh pwar is not much different
We keep alternating between wall and demo
obsidian girder
War is more straight forward, no think required
Not that pseudo combo point stuff
sharp gale
We keep alternating between wall and demo
I don’t push so I don’t use demo as a def cd, so….
pallid quiver
if youre just for chill m+, id say avoid dk and dh. Play bear, war , pal
I personally think DK is pretty chill tbh
pallid quiver
I don’t push so I don’t use demo as a def cd, so….
Neither do the top players
They just realize when it's up
sharp gale
It is the first tank I tried when I started in bfa, it is really fun
pallid quiver
Or just play good si they have sw every time
sharp gale
I didn’t try vdh, but pwar-brew-bdk are the most fun to me
tardy abyss
I don’t push so I don’t use demo as a def cd, so….
Because youre not supposed to, it happens by itself once youre used to all the dungeons
Sometimes you have to in super high keys though
1st boss CoT is scary
sharp gale
Yeah the only time I did was when a certain fury warrior made me do the full gatekeeper pull
Like with the 5 dudes in the middle
cerulean tusk
If a Fury Warrior asks you to pull more than 5 targets at a time, they doing self sabotage 
No need to listen to em
shut summit
652
oak ivy
preciate u
sharp gale
I was gonna say 49 but I’m EU lel
tardy abyss
also 52 on eu
oak ivy
I was gonna say 49 but I’m EU lel
I'm sorry to hear that, feel better soon
jagged pier
Its up in the eu
sharp gale
Oh gonna do it, I’m still clueless about the ring tbh, I just do it 1 hour before raid
oak ivy
I missed last week's upgrade, do I still have to do the World Quest to unlock that upgrade before I can see this week's
tardy abyss
I missed last week's upgrade, do I still have to do the World Quest to unlock th...
yup
at least I had to
oak ivy
ok ty friend
sharp gale
So it is with na reset or I missed a week ?
remote anchor
its with na reset for some stupid reason
proven plume
cause na owns the finish line 😎
cerulean tusk
So, ya lads still doomin' after trying this new slamming tierset?
blissful mirage
Anyone feel like the general tree changes for prot are pretty much a nothing burger? They combined stamina and armor talents but made it a 2 pointer, nerfed leech from 1 handed spec and made it a 2 pointer, and overwhelming rage isn't really taken by prot.
Just seems like idk, pointless to chagne in first place imo. Seems more like it's only for fury and arms
jagged gust
It's basically a 10% stamina gain
vocal cave
stamina is now in 8-20 row aint it
cerulean tusk
For my Fury warrior, it is just a DPS gain. That is neat.
For prot it is kinda a nothing burger, but the other changes are pure doomium
jagged gust
I wish they'd reposition Reinforced Plates, though.
And I don't like how it makes taking Intervene inconvenient
pallid quiver
Anyone feel like the general tree changes for prot are pretty much a nothing bur...
Hey, we did get 1% more damage on one handed weapon spec
cinder marsh
yo i need some guidence, i have the duelist sword ( hero ) and ( hero ) chest piece, my vault is shipwrecker ( myth ) and chest piece ( myth ) what should i pick?
pallid quiver
Also, I've heard people talking about buffs, but I haven't seen anything other than what was already announced with the rage changes
pallid quiver
yo i need some guidence, i have the duelist sword ( hero ) and ( hero ) chest pi...
Is shipwrecker a wep name? If so, it's more valuable than an armor piece
Even if the armor piece is higher value among armor pieces
small steeple
is violent outburst treated like how it was in SL (the tier set it came from) were you only used it on shield slam because it generates so much rage?
pallid quiver
Weapons scale heavily with ilvl due to being the only source of wep damage
pallid quiver
is violent outburst treated like how it was in SL (the tier set it came from) w...
Pretty much, however sending it in Thunder Blast is fine and not the worst thing
Since Thunder Blast generates a lot of rage, too, though not as much
You still want to avoid sending it on TC as much as possible
small steeple
thanks! good to know
jagged gust
Ideally you wanna send it on SS in ST, TB in aoe of any sort, and technically at like 4-6? targets for TC as MT
pallid quiver
Ideally you wanna send it on SS in ST, TB in aoe of any sort, and technically at...
It's like 8 or more for TC
jagged gust
MT in general made TC good enough overall that as long as you get some aoe value out of it it's not overall that bad
pallid quiver
But that's only for damage still
You still get rage for sending on SS, and by the time you're pulling that big, the extra rage helps survival a non-zero amount
jagged gust
Well we generate rage to do more damage, we're just skipping a step 😛
topaz rivet
Is there a point where a lower ilvl sacbrood falls off compared to higher ilvl trinkets? I've still got a champion track Sacbrood but other much higher ilvl trinkets. Sims show higher DPS on the higher ilvl trinkets but swapping drops me to below 30%haste (which is stuck in my mind as the break point to swap to ITTF) and so it's got me curious.
tardy abyss
Is there a point where a lower ilvl sacbrood falls off compared to higher ilvl t...
You need way more than 30% Haste for ITF
Like 36%-ish
topaz rivet
Like 36%-ish
Ah, okay. Thanks!
frigid valley
i just went dracthyr, accidently doublejumped forward got slapped in the back, died. currently waiting to change back
vocal cave
trying war on ptr and it sucks so much I want to give up
vocal cave
yep colossus is unplayable
heavy vault
rage changes that bad?
ionic fern
11.1 Tier set is garbage.
ionic fern
11.1 Tier set is garbage.
sweet summit
no way...
heavy vault
feels like all the tank ones are kinda bad tbh
vocal cave
cant keep up shield block and IP on colossus
tardy abyss
feels like all the tank ones are kinda bad tbh
Dunno ppal should be pretty happy
More dps than they already do
heavy vault
sureley they get the nerf bat no way they go 2 seasons non fated as top dog
tardy abyss
If DH was able to do that, why not ppal too?
heavy vault
fated season ig devs working on next xpac
vocal cave
No,it's not bad
where do you get new tier, npc i see sell season 1 pieces
shut summit
It's GARBAGE.
shocking, a 10sec window to use an ability with an 8sec cooldown hoping for it to crit is bad
literally had same problem with the last stand bonus in aberrus where the duration got doubled cuz 10secs was too short
vocal cave
2p has like 1 proc per minute
wicked pollen
pallid quiver
chance when taking damage to have shield wall pop up iirc? And while it's up, 4p is able to be done
vocal cave
from my testing 4piece equals to about 1 shield slam crit and 6 sec shield charge cd reduction per minute
strong stuff
heavy sparrow
Is ptr live
pallid quiver
ye
frozen berry
Tier Legs/Chest at Myth or Skarmorak Shard myth if i already have myth Mark of Khadros myth/Hero Sacbrood?
vale escarp
Does the 2p shieldwall give Avatar if you skill immovable objectiv?
rigid yew
vocal cave
XD they must be live tweaking 2p cus I am now getting like 100% uptime on it
sharp olive
XD they must be live tweaking 2p cus I am now getting like 100% uptime on it
Perfect now
small steeple
is the ptr a big download?
kind urchin
Dude... These nerfs are so bad. I actually dropped devastator to have something to press. It was still shit.
urban bane
urban bane
rage changes will have us drier than a mummified brit's sense of humor
pallid quiver
I personally don't care if the same spec is top or meta 2 seasons in a row
I only really care if the balance is actually incredibly fucked, or if there's like real indicators of problems
The only problem I really see atm is pretty much everything swinging at Prot War from the nerfs and their reasoning and what-not
pallid quiver
no, just trust me, don't read the past few lines
of people discussing them playing warrior after the changes
quaint sinew
i just wanted a yes or no dont need attitude missy
cyan bronze
anyone tried new warrior?
I refuse
pallid quiver
Well, if you want it,
People hate it, people are depressed
literally everything is as expected
cyan bronze
In protest i will be playing vdh with my insanely bugged tierset
pallid quiver
It's better to just not even think about it, hence why I was encouraging you to not even read the prior lines
kind urchin
I hope so
pallid quiver
I mean the spec's been worse off before
and the game won't break if warrior is like this
quaint sinew
idk how i feel about teh new talent tree too
sharp olive
and the game won't break if warrior is like this
I think it breaks the class fantasy for some.
Which in turn reduces the amount of prot warriors playing
Which leads to less tanks etc.etc.
It's a net negative for everyone
wooden widget
whats my finery % supposed to be at this week?
jagged gust
Whatever the buff is times 7
timber nest
ITF at ~20k haste?
kind urchin
This actually feels worse than leveling a paladin in FFXIV back in Heavensward. And that's hard to be worse than.
waxen cradle
I only have two real theory's to be honest. Either there devs have absolutely no idea how the spec works and they actually think this is a good change for the spec, or they are actually trying to force players away from the spec for the time being until they can fix it at a later date with a rework of the spec in total.
Neither of those two are positive considerations for those of us who have enjoyed how the spec has played up until these proposed changes.
north atlas
I decided to play ware this season assumeing the changes wont be that bad or they'll back off the nerfs, god i hope im right
livid meteor
north atlas
Its day 1, go yell at blizz
Theres time to edit this
Also is thane and col feeling super bad?
wooden widget
If im only taking feasts is it crazy to drop spell block?
steady bobcat
You can watch dorki play warrior atm
north atlas
Twitch?
livid meteor
ignore pain dropping all the time and basically no uptime on most pack feel bad
orchid mural
maybe it's just a PR stunt -if we make this spec really bad, content creators will make some videos, and we get more exposure
steady bobcat
He's straight up dying on mobs because you can not keep ignore pain and/or shield block
waxen cradle
yeah exactly just saw it, not enough rage to keep SBlock and IP so he is dying
He is having pick between the 2
looks like he can't fully maintain either even by themselves
potent moth
That invalidates blizzards "argument" even more, having to make meaningful decisions between offensive and defensive (which is this case is between defensive and defensive)
waxen cradle
not enough rage to keep SBlock or IP up
steady bobcat
I mean, their reasoning was invalid the moment they formulated it
Considering how protection warrior works ...
waxen cradle
As I said I almost feel like its intentional
Like they want people to stop playing Warrior in the state it is in on retail
From a logic point of view why do something that stupid otherwise
kind urchin
It'll get me to stop playing warrior. Because I won't be playing the game if this goes live.
pallid quiver
I only have two real theory's to be honest. Either there devs have absolutely no...
They'd prefer us to not play Demo Lock Prot War
potent moth
I can't imagine that's the reason. It's just a massive miss from Warrior dev.
Since the current/previous state PWar is in isn't really "op"
pallid quiver
looks like he can't fully maintain either even by themselves
I haven't touched PTR yet, but that sounds like a not picking HR kinda deal
pallid quiver
If im only taking feasts is it crazy to drop spell block?
The biggest issue is that you can use spell block on both tank hits in P3, and you need to get down to the Punish/Jugg node somehow
waxen cradle
I sure hope so because if they are using HR and that is that level up SBlock uptime is due to the rage gen nerf.... yikes!!!!
I am not sure what there actual true uptime was from logs, but from watching they absolutely did not have enough to keep both SB and IP rolling
kind urchin
It's pretty hard to keep shield block up even with HR on ptr. I was struggling. I usually maintain close to 100% uptime on live.
wooden widget
The biggest issue is that you can use spell block on both tank hits in P3, and y...
ok ty
waxen cradle
So yeah this just goes back to my original statement of it being so tone deaf and stupid of the devs that it almost has to be on purpose and not a accident
frail ibex
Any important changes with ptr dropping today? ik we got some down bad nerfs but I dont see a post or pin saying anything new
north atlas
Do we goto the forums and rage abt lack of rage?
cerulean tusk
You can, it is the best thing you could do for the situation
storm stone
Is it possible to keep 100% uptime on shield block?
cerulean tusk
On live? Ye 100%
obsidian otter
you never pick between the two
you do if its just unblockable damage incoming
waxen cradle
Yeah on live its absolutely possible
cyan bronze
Is it possible to keep 100% uptime on shield block?
not what im saying
xd
majority of the time you never pick between the two
its sb>ip unless its a large magical hit with absolutely no blockable phys dmg incoming
cerulean tusk
Wdum, there is no choice. It is shield block and rest rage can go into whatever
cyan bronze
yes
there is no choice
you always sb, then ip, excluding very specific circumstance
even with new rage changes, you almost never ip over sb barring very specific previously mentioned circumstances
waxen cradle
@cyan bronze Oh I completely agree you never pick between the two, I was saying from watching that persons stream it felt like they did not have enough rage to keep IP up without it falling and there being a sizable gap before it was back up
cerulean tusk
Meh, I am sure they will revert the changes. Don't worry. There is no winning in making a spec more boring
cyan bronze
<@1086400517724454974> Oh I completely agree you never pick between the two, I w...
he just shouldnt be picking between the two is all im saying
there is a clear choice
waxen cradle
@cyan bronze Oh for sure 100% agreed
cyan bronze
so part of it
is hes dying because hes overspending on ip
not that he cant sb, likely
waxen cradle
Yeah I would certainly hope there was a logical explanation I was just giving a worst case scenario statement. In meaning if it was this bad.... so on and so forth
cerulean tusk
Meh, think they just want to Nerf warrior. That is all
north atlas
Maybe the tier set so op they had to nerf sumtin?
waxen cradle
I do however feel that if the devs actually think that is a good means by which to change the protection warrior they must either be ignorant of how the spec plays or actually have done it on purpose.
north atlas
I do however feel that if the devs actually think that is a good means by which ...
I hope its ignorant and they edit prot chnaged or just undo them
Undo em and revisit them in the .5 or .7 patch
cerulean tusk
Easiest way to make something more fun, is to first make it unfun. Then they can credit themselves when the loop is completed 
storm stone
not what im saying
I didn’t read anything you wrote and I have no idea what you’re talking abit
storm stone
On live? Ye 100%
How so? 6 second duration with 15 second recharges
cyan bronze
i thought you said it is possible
haste, HR, shield charge, bolster
(bolster less played)
storm stone
Shield charge gives shield block?
Bolster and HR I’m unfamiliar with what those mean
cerulean tusk
You gonna get mind blown by what HR does
storm stone
I’ve been playing the class for like a day lol
cerulean tusk
When you shieldslam, you extend shieldblock
Just take the improved shieldblock duration and HR, and you walk out of a pack with 20 sec of block
storm stone
I need to download tell me when to track that buff then cause all the UI buff trackers feel confusing to look at for it
storm stone
When you shieldslam, you extend shieldblock
Is that a specific talent or built into the skill
If so then I’ve had shield lock up way more often than I realized
I know the duration from casts seems to stack
Damn that’s really cool
waxen cradle
No worries fellas I saw the changes for warriors... SR has a new graphic
storm stone
If my spelling makes no sense it’s autocorrect getting me
livid meteor
Is that a specific talent or built into the skill
Talent "Heavy repercussions" on the left side of the tree, 4 rows from the bottom.
waxen cradle
our consulation prize.... obviously joking and being sarcastic before someone takes me seriously with that post
storm stone
Talent "Heavy repercussions" on the left side of the tree, 4 rows from the botto...
Thank you sir
raven sluice
is the new Vyrkul's Lantern any good for prot?
warm wharf
So protection war taking a big hit in 11.1 or what? I honestly can't tell
mighty valley
Yes if these changes go through
warm wharf
ooof
kind urchin
I started a protection warrior feedback thread on the ptr forum.
If anyone would like to join in.
oak ivy
I started a protection warrior feedback thread on the ptr forum.
frankly I think you underreacted
kind urchin
frankly I think you underreacted
I had to keep the language to a respectable level so I don't catch a forum ban.
oak ivy
Chat why is my guild's BDK getting 2-5x more value out of Swarmlords than I am
jagged gust
You need less healing
strong forum
Maybe he presses it more, maybe he has more haste and vers, maybe ilvl
And also during vamp blood the shield from the trinket will also get buffed
Vamp blood increases all healing and absorb effects, this does count for trinkets aswell iirc
oak ivy
All perfectly reasonable ideas but in our case it seems like just vamp blood but that doesn't explain the massive gap between ours I dont think
strong forum
But also, bdk REALLY shouldn't play that trinket
oak ivy
i have 37% more haste than him, he has 6% more vers than me, both of ours are 626
strong forum
Defensive trinkets on Bdk are even more useless than on other tanks
oak ivy
strong forum
Is this for raid?
strong forum
Yeah no wonder lol
Bdk takes also 2-5x the damage that we take
So the absorb never gets wasted
On you the absorb just fades out
Cuz it's entirely overkill in raid
I heavily recommend both of you to stop using it
oak ivy
Roger wilco
Ty
I was using foul behemoths I just put it on cause I saw his absorbing as much as my IP does
my selection of DPS trinkets is abysmal
strong forum
Behemoth comes with the permanent health increase and doing about 6% more damage than scarab
Scarab is one of the worst trinkets to run
especially in raid
oak ivy
🫡
daring dove
and yet...
cyan bronze
also refracting+scarab absolutely insane combo
Its ok ig i wouldnt use on warrior tho
Like yeah if you want 2 on use defensive trinkets(one that is janky as fuck) to use on a 1m and 1.5m
Might be your best option rn
jagged gust
Like I can almost see the logic, play colo for more dps, use def trinkets to cover defensive deficiency of colo
It's not necessarily good logic, but that I could understand
cyan bronze
zippo knows what's up
Double egg is based
chilly brook
@strong forum since when do raid bosses crit?
strong forum
Non-tanks can be crit
Tanks are crit immune unless they sit down
So it's during a wipe call that ansurek will sometimes crit whoever is left alive
obsidian girder
Morning folks, anyone tried ptr pwarrior and can say how the nerf feels in dungeons ?
kind urchin
Morning folks, anyone tried ptr pwarrior and can say how the nerf feels in dunge...
Feels terrible.
obsidian girder
Dooming or word of truth 😅
strong forum
Maybe he did
To druid it's limited to bear form to be crit immune
chilly brook
boss crit 0.1% of the time
strong forum
So if the druid left bearform for an unfortunate global he can be crit
chilly brook
To druid it's limited to bear form to be crit immune
yeah the filter got fucked back to "friendlies" out of no where
so that's his crits on the boss
chilly brook
I'm out tonight but one of them was asking if the boss could crit and I was like "nah that's been gone for forever" but figured I'd look just in case
strong forum
Like I said:
- tanks are crit immune unless they sit down
- mobs have 3% crit chance
- druids crit immunity is tied to bearform
oak ivy
Does this look like a reasonable CD timeline for M Ansurek P1
Running the wallvatar talent cuz im a pansy ass
violet ginkgo
Tanks are crit immune unless they sit down
oh wow.... today I learn something. thx2.
pallid quiver
So like
you could just be pressing shield wall?
I haven't seen that whole graph system at all, but
violet ginkgo
shield wall and spellblock right?
pallid quiver
Depends which he's taking
spell block don't do nothing for feast
I'm assuming he's taking the feasts, but
pallid quiver
Like I said:
- tanks are crit immune unless they sit down
- mobs have 3% crit ch...
Actually, do you know off the top of your head if any of the druid of the claw bonuses make it so they're still crit immune for a time in cat form at all?
i'm kinda curious since i haven't thought about that
violet ginkgo
If I remember correctly luerce you keep some HP and some armor from bear if switching from bear to cat but.... I think I never actually see the crit immune part.
hell I don't know if mob got 3% crit too until today.
pallid quiver
Yeah, one of the talents in the tree lets you keep like 75%? or something of the bonuses from ironfur and what-not
and i knew about the crit immune part
but i don't play bear so much so i literally never thought about that until just now
oak ivy
So like
you could just be pressing shield wall?
Reasonable to get Swall off CD in the time between? Haven't tried it
I'm taking feast btw
violet ginkgo
well according to ppl shield wall is about 40-50 secs if you play well and depend on your RNG too
violet ginkgo
then you may or may not wall it
shut summit
its not guaranteed, kinda depends on procs
i ran it tonight, even if you dont get it up for the initial hit it will be up shortly after and you can just use it to help while the absorb is active
violet ginkgo
yeah like sense said if you are thane, the burst of power (no cooldown on SS) is really nice, if you got a lot of those then maybe you can wall sooner but if not then welp...
oak ivy
well according to ppl shield wall is about 40-50 secs if you play well and depen...
is this with Aegis or Imp Wall
shut summit
its super comfy to be up for the 3rd, 2nd is only tight one
violet ginkgo
imp wall, no one use aegis now assuming aegis is 2x wall
violet ginkgo
but next season might be aegis... what do you think sense?
shut summit
having the shield isn't really that scary as long as you dont get hit by other stuff
violet ginkgo
with all of those giga nerf 
shut summit
oak ivy
My damage taken spread over the course of 42 pulls tonight
i swear like half of my unblocked melees are with my back to the boss trying to reposition her
like in the moment I turn away to side jump she whacks me
strong forum
Actually, do you know off the top of your head if any of the druid of the claw b...
yes
that was a bug on beta but it got fixed before it went live
ionic fern
literally had same problem with the last stand bonus in aberrus where the durati...
Jeah,that's only one part of the problem. There's also the fact that the procced SW lasts for such a short time that it barely does anything and the fact that it procs like once per minute.
wicked pollen
can you block is you are strafing sideways?
wicked pollen
My damage taken spread over the course of 42 pulls tonight
that could prob reduce your damage no?
pallid quiver
Jeah,that's only one part of the problem. There's also the fact that the procced...
and we don't even get as many resets on SS, either, so you're less likely to even get SS out during that timeframe
pallid quiver
yes
And thanks for the info, boss
probably the only crit immune info that's actually remotely relevant
violet ginkgo
Jeah,that's only one part of the problem. There's also the fact that the procced...
Blizz be like: But on S2 you will get random SW proc from the tier set, don't worry.
mighty valley
my house is in one of the fire evacuation zones in LA tonight
giving me some perspective on prot warrior nerfs
north atlas
So far, doom n gloom.
My best wishes to ya
shy python
Hey.
So prot is dead right now on ptr?
jagged pier
Yes
twin hill
Yes
did you try it out? how bad is it actually in game? patch notes read really bad sadly
shy python
So it's obvious that it doesn't stay this way?
jagged pier
I just need to read what mwahi and nome have said, they mostly have complained about the tier set
We all knew the changes will be bad anyways
So they aint gunna harp on about them
sweet summit
So it's obvious that it doesn't stay this way?
if it does i will be very suprised and extremely disappointed
sweet summit
did you try it out? how bad is it actually in game? patch notes read really bad ...
you can download ptr and try for yourself i don't remember if you have to opt in or anything but surely blizzard has faq regarding it somewhere
ionic fern
and we don't even get as many resets on SS, either, so you're less likely to eve...
Jeah,I averaged out around 2 shield slams.
The whole class feels so wonky to play in 11.1
ionic fern
Jeah,I averaged out around 2 shield slams.
And then you add the rng crit on top of it...
ionic fern
did you try it out? how bad is it actually in game? patch notes read really bad ...
It feels way slower and wonkier to play. The tier set is honestly not even noticeable.
You have less rage to go around which means less everything else.
north atlas
Did you just use thane or try col?
ionic fern
Both.
north atlas
With col are ip shields good?
ionic fern
They are ..there.
north atlas
Even with the 20% talent to ip
ionic fern
Slightly bigger IP's don't make up for a slower and worse gameplay with a non existing tier set
north atlas
Sad , besides being slow are you able to tank higher keys are u gunna fall over?
ionic fern
As Colossus you were spamming Revenge anyways.
Not IP.
And as Thane you just get less IP's now.
twin hill
It feels way slower and wonkier to play. The tier set is honestly not even notic...
sadge hopefully we get some more tuning 
ionic fern
Sad , besides being slow are you able to tank higher keys are u gunna fall over?
You will still be able to do keys.
north atlas
Im learning col build but i am keeping a ip up if i have spare rage
ionic fern
sadge hopefully we get some more tuning <:copium:839076283467431956>
Be sure to post on forums and provide feedback in game.
cyan bronze
it’s ok
remember when ppal was dogshit at start of s1 beta cycle
surely we just get sac spellwarding and damage and survivability added
ionic fern
The biggest issue for me is the slow gameplay compared to now.
I can live with a bad tier set,but the gameplay..ugh.
violet ginkgo
jagged pier
sweet summit
obsidian girder
Just going to play another class.
Thought same yesterday, tried brew, updated talent calc, tried to fit about 5 million buttons in my bars and keybinds.
Tried 1 timewalk dungeon, played 3 pulls, alt+F4, got back to warr
wicked pollen
did you read anything or run in and pulled everything and expected to live bc its tw
ionic fern
Theyll fix it, have faith
"we buffed your tier set!!" is what they'll do. I doubt they will change the Prot specific changes they did.
north atlas
"we buffed your tier set!!" is what they'll do. I doubt they will change the Pro...
While they do need to buff tier. I dont think all the nerfs will hold. Too many negative feedback
lean wyvern
Hi, i am new to running +10s.
Got lucky and got Myth Sacbrood today.
Should i upgrade that or craft shield first for crests?
(I seem to don't really grasp simming really well.)
north atlas
What sheild u got
lean wyvern
Atm that. Got 2 unupgraded Hero Track shields in the bag. No Myth shield.
tardy abyss
Atm that. Got 2 unupgraded Hero Track shields in the bag. No Myth shield.
Craft shield 100%
Its the absolutely first thing you should craft
lean wyvern
Ty
north atlas
I went belt n bracers for craft
blazing condor
Honestly feelin like not buying TWW was a good choice
tropic pond
ah reading all the ptr stuff is demoralizing
obsidian girder
Will the ilvl haste gain compensate a part of the rage nerf ?
jagged pier
steady bobcat
To put it very politely, I don't think so.
heavy hazel
lol tell that to bears ;D
strong forum
Will the ilvl haste gain compensate a part of the rage nerf ?
You ain't going to run more haste than you are now, you will just have more of the other stats
violet ginkgo
north atlas
Crit=parry=riposte procs=rage i think
ionic fern
Will the ilvl haste gain compensate a part of the rage nerf ?
No,there is no gain.
strong forum
where did the "procs" come from
Parry haste
More parry essentially means speeding up 30% of your auto attack
Which for us, means more devastator procs!
So crit does in fact, mean more rage generation for prot warri!
sweet summit
that's wild
strong forum
Took me a while to figure that one out tho
Cuz well, nobody uses swing timers anymore
Except arms
And there I realised hol up, parry haste still exists
sweet summit
I thought blizzard killed parry haste. but that was only for npcs?
strong forum
Yup
strong forum
Noticed that during torghast specifically
Cuz 100% dbts uptime
And skips in the swingtimer
sweet summit
can't say i played a lot of arms in torghast 
strong forum
Arms was turbo broken in torghast
Cuz of said 100% dbts uptime
Mainly swapped from prot to arms cuz most wings were low target pulls
And arms excelled on those
And also prot would get turbo killed cuz 0 dmg powers
north atlas
did i do gud mafths
strong forum
Si
north atlas
back in my wrath days i stacked crit for parry for those procs for rage gen to exe spam
and rev spam
before IP was a thing
now, to login and try to get better at this col build
kind urchin
Parry haste has been in the game since it launched. It's actually one of the main reasons melee dps were banned from being in the parry radius of enemies back in the day because it could cause your tank to be deleted.
round pendant
Did they change their minds on gutting prot warrior yet?
jagged pier
Nope
round pendant
frozen berry
Yes, they said they’re going to gut it further
kind urchin
Barely anyone has posted anything about it. If we don't make noise it'll go live like this because they'll think we're okay with it.
round pendant
Nah Blizzard don't give a fuck
They constantly make awful decisions and then stubbornly stick with it for months or years
it took until 2025 to get new swirilies and they're still low-contrast
It's an improvement but, yeah
kind urchin
Speak with your money. It's the only thing they listen to. Under the reasoning for cancellation say it's the protection warrior nerfs.
tribal wharf
it took until 2025 to get new swirilies and they're still low-contrast
size +5% colossus was a draft talent,
still fuckin there
round pendant
Speak with your money. It's the only thing they listen to. Under the reasoning...
I've already cancelled my sub since I only sub when I'm playing
and I got everything I wanted this season
tribal wharf
wtf, the 5% size is supposed to be like a talking point jumping off "well it doesnt make much sense, probably change that"
tribal wharf
It's an improvement but, yeah
sort of yes, sort of no, the old swirly was easy to see
round pendant
yeah that's what I'm saying though
It's a solved problem but they keep refusing to go all in on fixing shit
because idk
tribal wharf
but the problem was, the noodles of a soup bowl werent accurate to how big the actual hit box circle was
so you had a harder time to see if you were for sure out beacuse it would spill out like an old round rug
round pendant
Now we have defined edges but it's still low contrast so it's gonna get lost in the visual diarrhea of modern wow encounters
tribal wharf
i think it should be the way they designed it now, with a slight old style swirl in the middle
black hole twisty lines moving
depends on how danerous the ability is
round pendant
FFXIV does danger zones the best
tribal wharf
i just dont want... yellow tape, or i cant tell were the texture ends and where pain begins
i want..............the way asmongold say it, there is a torch at the ladders in the start of dark souls and then eventually dumb brain puts it together
ionic fern
Well,logging into wow forums to "make some noise" about tier..and stuck reading stuff like this
jagged pier
tribal wharf
im banned from wow forums so i dont have to know that hell any more.
last i went it was full of stupids like usually
round pendant
I'm sure they'll get the feedback from players who actually know how the game works
and fix it
tribal wharf
hell, i did make at least 1 really troll post way back in cataclysm
it was i was making thread about i was lvling pwar and every dungeon i did i just ran in and thundercalp revenge, and then i would do like triple the dps of entire else group, had the boa gear too that helped
had similiar experience disc priest, same damn thing, literal just apply attonement and spam hell out of smite, top healing and dps meters
deft mortar
im banned from wow forums so i dont have to know that hell any more.
Ngl reddit is the wow forum now
sweet summit
please send one
half sapphire
I thought blizzard killed parry haste. but that was only for npcs?
That was very confusing for me when Abberus tier existed, I couldn’t figure out why I got so many shield slam procs in giant aoe fiestas and nothing during a boss fight
autumn pendant
please send one
Let the search begin
torn gulch
Played my prot warrior on ptr for a little bit and I am beyond appaled at the changes. If it goes live like that we re DOA for the patch and it just feels bad for us and it will feel bad for the tank shortage that will get worse.
I guess I have my bear
tardy abyss
Everyone plays ppal, a few less pwars will not be noticable
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Esp if they reroll to ppal anyway
torn gulch
We ll see about that, the tank shortage this season is the worst I ve ever seen
violet ginkgo
won't be better next season
I think it will be worse next season for the tank shortage
torn gulch
Making tanks weaker and weaker ain t it
violet ginkgo
something like that.
torn gulch
It s mind-boggling to me that ppal is untouched while war was gutted like that
Under what reason?
No wonder brainrot was the word of the year it s leaking into everything
violet ginkgo
Under what reason?
under favoritism reason.
tardy abyss
Its not like ppal needs nerfs
All the other specs need buffs
Unless you want all tanks to be equally awful
sweet summit
torn gulch
I m trying to understand the reasoning for these changes and I m coming short
We re gonna feel like bfa s1 kekw
frosty holly
The reasoning is blizz never have any idea when it comes to balancing.
We had to much rage. Lets nerfs several rage regeneration things, not thinking about the fact it also affects survivability and DPS kekw
kind urchin
We had to much rage. Lets nerfs several rage regeneration things, not thinking a...
And the flow of the spec in general.
torn gulch
Let s say that rage ren remains like this. What compesatory buffs will be needed in terms of aura buffs and utility buffs to compensate
frosty holly
Haven't checked. Did they touch prot pala at all? Because that if anything needs some adjustment.
Ran key with guildy prot pala and he did 2 mil overall. Sure it's a 10 and all out DPS talents. But that's still DPS levels of dmg
steady bobcat
Don't ask for nerfs, ask for buffs ...
jagged pier
We asked for nothingg because we were in a fine place
frosty holly
Even if they buff survivability/dmg It will still feel way slower to play because as Guarok said. The flow is broken
steady bobcat
If anything all the tanks should be around prot paladin's level - in theory ofc. But in reality it's a tragi-comedy.
torn gulch
Tbh bringing prot pala dps to reasonable level and removing the intrerupt capability from avenger shield will be enough
frosty holly
Interrupt capability can stay. IMO just bring the dps down. Or other tanks DPS up
steady bobcat
And what does it achieve? Virtually nothing, as other tanks are not compensated in any way.
frosty holly
THe fact prot war gets a nerf when all they are is tanky. While our DPS is very eh is wild
steady bobcat
Don't nerf prot paladin, buff other tank specs 🙂
kind urchin
No need to nerf prot pally. Their numbers are actually in a pretty good spot. It's the rest of the tanks that need brought up. There's no reason for most of the tanks to have such low damage compared to dps output.
frosty holly
I'd not say being able to DPS levels of damage is good spot. A wee bit to high for a tank
sweet summit
and?
frosty holly
And nothing else.
sweet summit
oh okay
deft hinge
Lets try something else, reversed psychology.
Pls dont buff prot warr, pls!
We need more nerfs, gief nerfs pls!
jagged pier
Should do the most as im most threatening
steady bobcat
Hmm ... I don't think Blizzard operates in a logical sphere
So using reverse logic might not affect them one bit
frosty holly
"We heard you and removed defensive stance, we feel like it's a crutch that's no longer needed"
tardy abyss
We had to much rage. Lets nerfs several rage regeneration things, not thinking a...
Thing is, we didnt have too much rage 😦
frosty holly
1v1 Sure. But AoE you defo had to try to not have near endless
violet ginkgo
Let s say that rage ren remains like this. What compesatory buffs will be needed...
That's the secret ingridient, you will got no compensatory buff at all.
quaint sinew
they reverted the 11.1 changes ya?
heavy sparrow
Anything I'm missing?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/45LxyvBbPNqipQcfDeW4Qc
violet ginkgo
right isn't usually the sim is 1 target or 5 target, that 6 is quite odd
heavy sparrow
Will do @strong forum @violet ginkgo first expansion since cataclysm so simming is new to me
violet ginkgo
Well nome can help you way better than me, while he is here you might want to tell him what is your goal of simming, like what you after?
heavy sparrow
That's true
I guess to understand and learn from simming
I don't really push keys, basically just been raid leading all expansion
chrome cipher
Quick Question is there a spec that itemizes well off Prot better than the other? Like Arm is better cuz it shares for stats or Fury?
remote anchor
I don't really push keys, basically just been raid leading all expansion
if you raid you should set targets to 1
since thats what you will be hitting usually
also set the time to like 5 minutes
strong forum
Then just set it to a standard 5minute 1 target patchwerk sim
Simming is to compare items to your current gear composition or multiple items in multiple compositions for the best outcome based on the parameters you set
You do what to sim top gear
And then whatever combination of items you want to check for
This can be done for talents, gem setups and multiple different trinket + general item combinations alike
strong forum
Quick Question is there a spec that itemizes well off Prot better than the other...
Arms and prot have basically the same stats
But prot can be played with any stat spread regardless
All 3 specs love haste, so that's great
chrome cipher
Thats good to hear. Thanks. I come from past specs where its completely different and it drives me bonkers.
heavy sparrow
if you raid you should set targets to 1
For this one build I'm trying for a mythic+ one.
I do have a single target build, but I set it to 6 minutes 1 target
@strong forum
Good feedback thank you
torn gulch
I'm looking at dorki doing the new dungeon on prot warrior
I can't describe how awful it is
were we this weak in bfa s1 with ignore pain on GCD?
strong forum
Take it with a grain of salt what you see on PTR rn
torn gulch
that is true but shit ain't good at all
strong forum
Bfa s1 didn't feel bad at the time for me, just rather slow
That was the last time I proper pushed keys as prot tho
I got decently high before I burnt out
torn gulch
this looks worse than what i remember in bfa s1
and i haven't tried collosus
i did not want to touch prot pala with a 10 foot pole seems I will have to
torn gulch
the one with sotr?
dark barn
Ofc they gonna fix pala bug. They love paladins. There's no chance they dont fix it
waxen frigate
the one with sotr?
Ye
wild chasm
@strong forum what's a route you usually do in Dawnbreaker? Because I'm trying to cook something in respect of people's cds and it's driving me crazy
sharp gale
<@192743144276623360> what's a route you usually do in Dawnbreaker? Because I'm ...
It depends on your comp because 3 min doesn’t align with 2 min cds for example
wild chasm
Well yeah, but I guess most classes have 2 min cds apart from like ele shammy. So I'm counting that CD's are up every other pack somewhat
sharp gale
There is 1.5 min too, only thing I know of more serious than every other pack (that’s what I do too), my friend who push a little bit more than average plays around 1 dude cds and coordinate cds of everyone else on that, idk if it is good
wild chasm
I'm not playing in a static yet so I don't think I will be doing it now
I did this on a 13 and made it ++ with a premade though
sharp gale
In full pug, guess the every other pack, and check with omni cd the timers and correct things from your knowledge of the dungeon
wild chasm
Pulled the pack into the miniboss at like half hp (7th pull)
Sadly I haven't tanked enough this season to know the dungs inside out, as playing as fury only counts for your cds. And I can't do stuff a prot pala/blood dk can do most of the time (grip or ranged silence)
modest minnow
I guess I am confused, what is the issue with Prot Warrior on PTR? Is there a write up I can get a better understanding?
remote anchor
yea its in the pins
cerulean tusk
cyan bronze
I’m just gonna keep playing my bugged tank spec tho
I love that 3 tanks have insanely bad bugs
cerulean tusk
BDK still cleaving 7 targets?
wicked pollen
hardy snow
Court finally dead 
jagged pier
floral trail
anyone did a floodgate > 10 and also felt like those tank busters are there to decimate all prot wars
hardy snow
<:seramore:917663298869145640>
331 pulls, some roster changes, not cool
jagged pier
brah i was there for all night but the kill night
and raid leaded everynight expect that one too
hardy snow
and raid leaded everynight expect that one too
jagged pier
literally nothing to do with me we noticed some stuff at the end of the fight to change and changed it for that night
hardy snow
I know I know, just kidding 😄 it sucks to miss kill like that