ik low key boosts are so bad rn
#protection
grim pilot
Back in s3 i used to do weeklies on my alts by boosting
Usually playing tank since pugging so wanted to maximize timed/depleted ratio
Was an okay way to earn passive gold doing what I like but ffa boosting is still too aids, sometimes too long to find a group
remote anchor
Not even
vocal cave
do you play barbaric training for colossus in m+?
pallid quiver
It's the increased rage cost on Revenge
wicked pollen
nono
pallid quiver
which is to say, no, you don't play it, since it's less efficient
It gives more damage on a single cast, but it's less efficient for damage over time
You grab barbaric for when you're so flooding in rage, you literally can't spend it all
The only time that's happened was in Dragonflight pre-patch, when you had the talent system and SL's rage mechanics (Banner, Reprisal lego, etc) going at the same time
so you had like two expansions worth of systems just drowning you in rage
vocal cave
banner was good times
limpid pawn
which 2 pieces do we put our embelishments on?
remote anchor
which 2 pieces do we put our embelishments on?
depends what other items you got
but usually bracers/cloak/feet/belt
shield works if you dont have a big one
cyan bronze
so you had like two expansions worth of systems just _drowning_ you in rage
just pull enough mobs
to get enough rage
to take it again
cerulean tusk
Ok, so, going all execute talents, with 7% haste - and no enduring defences, wasnt the best of ideas
oak ivy
Ok, so, going all execute talents, with 7% haste - and no enduring defences, was...
how the fuk u got 7% haste
arms main?
cerulean tusk
Crit/Mast build is the season
wicked pollen
Ok, so, going all execute talents, with 7% haste - and no enduring defences, was...
yes
have you seen my logs of me being a demon
cerulean tusk
ya scareing me... where is this going?
oak ivy
oh god colossus prot
i know i'm wrong for it but every time i put that hero talent on i sacrifice big shield and IP uptime just to spam revenge like it's going out of style
i take so much fucking damage in colossus prot and it's entirely user error
pallid quiver
i know i'm wrong for it but every time i put that hero talent on i sacrifice big...
i mean you actually sustain as Colo in big pulls by doing that
from the leech + Bru Vit
oak ivy
Speaking of, has the math been done for if/by how much tankiness will be affected by S2 tuning
limpid pawn
For mythic plus, I noticed high keys have fortified + tyr now
do you not need to do fortified week + tyr week for IO now?
limpid pawn
what about xalatath's guilde?
after a certain key level, the affix changes into like a flat % increase?
strong forum
At 12
mild sequoia
Oh hey that looks a lot better than the prot warrior I had in my key
mild sequoia
Ya
warm wharf
Is city of threads mostly magic damage because i get curshed everytime i try a M+ in their
cedar carbon
as a prot doing m+, would u keep a myth track cloak or go for hero track rashnan cape?
strong forum
Myth
strong forum
Is city of threads mostly magic damage because i get curshed everytime i try a M...
It's like 90% phys, it's only bosses that do magic dmg with their busters
grim pilot
3rd boss spooky to tank
Goes unnoticed
Its always the first boss that gets mentioned
But 3rd boss prob hardest boss to tank in this dungeon pool
mild sequoia
It is unfortunately real
vital pollen
Been starting to push into 12s and like...just falling over. 628 ilevel. I just did the pull in GB after the 2nd boss where u do the enforce +1 and the lavabender. Just fell over with DS + SR up (didn't use SW cause the grp wanted to do a big pull after that and I was saving).
cerulean tusk
Been starting to push into 12s and like...just falling over. 628 ilevel. I just ...
My advice is:
Learn about and play around your current limits. Adapting on the fly is necessary skill, so in that scenario shield wall should have been spent the moment you felt endangered. Then you can do the follow up pull as a twoparter. Plans fall apart, your job as a tank is to find a working alternative.
As you learn your limits, think about why they exist. Is it because enforcer stack to fast. Can you counter that with stormbolt into shockwave to reset the danger. When must you peel away and kite to make it safe. At what point are you in danger. Why is that so?
In general you shouldn't just flop as a pwarrior, and I can not know what went wrong. That is on you to know. All I can do is to remind you to reflect on what went wrong at the time and that you create a plan for next time.
Don't worry about failing, go again. Improve, test and adapt. Every failure is one step towards mastery if you use it to learn.
You got this.
merry trout
hi guys. Based on the current 11.1 changes, is it worth playing prot for M+ next season or is it better to either switch DPS or play veng instead?
or is it too early to tell? should i wait till PTR?
strong forum
generally too early to tell
people always love dooming before anything conclusive or any real benchmarking happened
but at this current VERY MOMENT if the patch released RIGHT THIS SECOND pwar would be pretty poorly off in ST situations, aoe not so much, but ST would suck
pallid quiver
Community opinion would be real rough, too, is the worst part
You'd still be able to clear all content as Prot War; they're not breaking the class
they're just making it feel like shit if patch were to drop immediately right now no changes no testing no nothing
rustic latch
anyone know the number we need for haste to have 100% SB uptime?
pallid quiver
0 haste with HR
merry trout
got it, ty.
rustic latch
HR?
merry trout
felt like we were in a perfect place, idk why the devs decided to touch us
strong forum
my guess is 1 dev played thane pwar once
pallid quiver
Heavy Repercussions, which you should be defaulting to unless you're hankering for more damage
strong forum
and felt overwhelmed
merry trout
must've been a pala main
pallid quiver
my guess is 1 dev played thane pwar once
it's like we got a dev with zero on-boarding from the one who made the talent tree
pallid quiver
must've been a pala main
Prot Pala is actually pretty high APM, too
rustic latch
any idea what the number we need to hit to not run HR?
pallid quiver
Somewhere around like 20k rating iirc
Your ultimate goal is 100% blocked hits, which can vary depending on the dungeon (do mobs just spam cast, etc)
rustic latch
ive always run into the fray lol
pallid quiver
If you've been running it in M+ below that general point, you've been declaring your play a healer issue
in exchange for like 6% damage in AOE iirc
strong forum
around 18k haste is when ive found ITF to be most tolerable
below that its ass
been resorting to haste flask instead of alch chaos with new ring
rustic latch
the new ring is killing me on haste though so thats why im trying to figure out exactly what we need without HR
strong forum
ye im at 15.6k without flask
pallid quiver
Honestly, unless I'm specifically aiming to pump in M+, I'd just run HR
strong forum
so i had the choice between alch chaos flask + HR or ITF + Haste flask
pallid quiver
removes fussing over the whole thing
strong forum
and well ITF + Haste Flask is more dmg than chaos + HR
rustic latch
im at 16890 with no flasks and no ring, 16535 with ring specced into haste lol
strong forum
nah dont do that
either you run storm + fathom + skipper
or you run thunder + undersea + skipper
skipper is too broken not to use
cuz its not 150% effectiveness like the tooltip suggests
its gem + 150%
so if you proc say fathom
instead of 1.5k or 2k stats, you get 3.8k
rustic latch
can you do thunder fathom skipper? or can you not mix them up?
strong forum
you absolutely can
but idk if that sims any well
maybe it does
my sims says storm + fathom + skipper in all scenarios
rustic latch
yeah that killed my haste lol im down to 13658 after changing them up
does sewer proc a lot?
storm sewer*
strong forum
~40% uptime in m+ it looks like
rustic latch
ill give it a shot and reluctantly drop into the fray....
strong forum
im not talking abotu storm sewer sorry
stormbringer runed citrine
storm sewer is eww
rustic latch
lol i was wondering i though maybe the damage reflect was broken or something
that put me back up to 14286 im gonna dig around and see anyone has the exact number for shield block uptime, i remember it was 4600 in DF
strong forum
uuuhhh
that was when you wanted to hard stop getting haste i think?
cant member anymore tbh
back then we had different amounts of haste aswell
cuz ITF gave more
rustic latch
yeah i remember, its a lot tougher to get haste over 30% for me right now with the gear im stuck with and pretty much fully gemmed into it lol
chilly brook
Been starting to push into 12s and like...just falling over. 628 ilevel. I just ...
Got any logs? Because you shouldn't be having major problems at that ilvl
rustic latch
i havent been having any issues, im just worried that dropping one of my rings which were most of my haste currently for the new ring will drop me low enough so that i am not 100% up on shield block. I have always preferred into the fray over HR
unless im in a group with all casters
strong forum
well yeah everyone prefers ITF
but you aint seeing me, who is a dmg goblin, step into a key with block downtime
nu-uh
rustic latch
theres a number for it somewhere i know that some nerd has figured it out for WW again just like they did in DF
pine summit
Hello guys, just wanted to know is Battle-Scarred Veteran worth the point taken from ravager?
strong forum
i personally dont think it is
but if youre not as confident in your ability it can be a decent tool to help with fuck ups or missplay
it is however a significant damage and rage loss to drop ravager and pick up BSV
so in a way picking up BSV does make you squishier
especially when its on CD 
pine summit
That's all I needed to know, thanks!
stoic rose
when looking at logs, does blocked hits include parries and dodges or is there a separate section for those?
nvm i found it
signal yoke
hi all, colossus is really a no go for mythic + or it can be played as well ? Thane is better i know ^^
blazing condor
it can be played
strong forum
I've done up to 14s as Colossus pretty comfortably
Only in dawnbreaker I wouldn't suggest playing colossus, that key can be nasty for tanks
Maybe high-ish GB aswell
signal yoke
you take really more damages as colossus ?
strong forum
Well thane generates 40-60% more rage and gets 8% extra DR from thunderblasts with close to 100% uptime aswell as 5% extra DR on Demo shout + you play thunderlords
Colossus gets 5% perma DR, 20% larger IP and 10% DR on targets hit by demolish aswell as 20% stronger crit block
But you generate a good chunk less rage
So thane is just way more IP smashing thus self healing
Colossus Just does way more damage at the cost of rage generation and IP usage
You primarily notice the difference in survivability on bosses as thane vs colossus
In aoe not so much cuz the extra crit block + vastly higher aoe dmg goes a long way as Colossus
Thane is just more stable cuz of the extreme rage gen difference
oak ivy
Wonder how suck its gonna feel to play colossus in s2
sweet egret
it seems to me like demolish keeps going even though your target dies, what does it actually do? does it switch to a new "target" or just keep going with the aoe portion?
tardy abyss
New target I believe
jagged pier
Wonder how suck its gonna feel to play colossus in s2
A lot
violet ginkgo
violet ginkgo
bliz dev thought of that... I dunno what is in their mind
cyan bronze
Only in dawnbreaker I wouldn't suggest playing colossus, that key can be nasty f...
Kira liked it in cot specifically
for the burst damage on the last boss
ig
long kayak
either you run storm + fathom + skipper
do you mean stormbinger or storm sewers
cerulean tusk
Col is neat on last boss in NW, as you get to demo the barrier. Also neat to burst boss adds.
I have no idea why the Devs remove fun things in the next changes tho.
tardy abyss
for the burst damage on the last boss
To not get rooted by using demolish and being able to SR the dot
Tho I guess you could use it to break the roots instead
tardy abyss
Col is neat on last boss in NW, as you get to demo the barrier. Also neat to bur...
Imagine not using cleavers to break his shield
cerulean tusk
cyan bronze
Tho I guess you could use it to break the roots instead
yes that is why
lean wyvern
Quick Question: In Ara Kara last Boss i see Prot Warriors use Spell Reflect and Heroic Leap for Cosmic Singularity.
They use both when 1sec or less of the cast time is remaining.
Is there a reason for using Spell Block this late? It stays up for 5 seconds. I see myself f×××ing it up trying to hit both keybinds in fraction of a second.
What exactly does Spell Reflect even do for that spell? When you jump away it should do nothing.
But i guess they know better than i.
tardy abyss
Quick Question: In Ara Kara last Boss i see Prot Warriors use Spell Reflect and ...
Prob just to take less damage in case they actually do not get out
limpid pawn
champion's spear or thunderous roar?
(been using spear - but all last expac i was using roar)
oak ivy
champion's spear or thunderous roar?
I believe the ruling is:
If you have pitifully low crit, Roar
Otherwise, Spear
next season im likely taking roar regardless cuz I just prefer it and the tree shifting makes it easier to get alongside the things I want
tribal wharf
its a shame UW was too broken for wow in DF
they had to remove it before the 9.1 patch im pretty sure
er well, they called it something else i think, but it was talent now instead of lego
and it was mostly the "grants 1/2 effect to party for x seconds" so 25% dr for EVERYONE and 50% for you......
limpid pawn
we need group shield wall with 2 charges that activates with avatar, as well as CDR with shield slam
(again)
oak ivy
The quintessential "guy up front with a shield"
mighty valley
thanks for burning another tree to make a boring picture
sweet summit
really glad we get to speed up global warming (i'm a little cold)
pallid quiver
Unfortunately, global warming will generally make it colder near we're at, since it foeces the arctic air fronts to get shoved southbound for the first bit
waxen quarry
tribal wharf
it only drew capt america like this
then i tried another prompt and got the same but thor
sweet egret
is "second wind" only activated when you haven't taken damage for 5 sec?
I feel like the tooltip is unclear since it is separated into two parts
willow edge
First part is regen when you have taken no damage for those seconds. Second part is lower regen when under 35% health.
Imo second wind for prot would be nice if the threshold was higher but that would be too strong I guess.
wicked pollen
that would make warrior so much harder to kill in pvp
tribal wharf
Imo second wind for prot would be nice if the threshold was higher but that woul...
yes even at just 50% hp it would be overpowered out right
you will know this if you played command and conquer the 90s ones that had the mammoth tanks, those healed up from 1 hp to 50% and had like basically double hp of anything else,
sweet egret
RIGHTT
tribal wharf
well if you just keep healing passively every few seconds for no reason just a buff you have
thats over powred
sweet egret
yes but only if we played c&c
willow edge
that would make warrior so much harder to kill in pvp
Pvp can be balanced differently to pve.
wicked pollen
yeah doesnt change the fact its not a good change
willow edge
I mean, you already don’t get use out of it anyways. How often do you cruise under 35% health.
tribal wharf
thats the thing if it changes to under 50% hp then the heal has to be less effective
willow edge
It’s already like 1% at 35% health no? “Scales with lower health” doesn’t exactly provide useful info for analysis
tribal wharf
heals for less, heals for less often, crappier heal with no shielding, vamp would actually be bad though cuz vamp is always op
wicked pollen
the rate at which you heal while under 35% is inversely proportional to your current hp
willow edge
Compared to other tanks who have great utility and self/healing or other things. Call me crazy for wanting improvements to the tank I like lol.
willow edge
I’m aware
tribal wharf
thats always been the warrior curse, no self healing and very limited crowd control
willow edge
Meanwhile dks and dhs who literally regen their whole health repeatedly while doing damage
tribal wharf
in all expansions
willow edge
Imo of warrior doesn’t really have utility or healing. Then it should be the best mit and damage tank.
wicked pollen
Sadly thats not how game balance works
willow edge
It Damn well should lol
sweet egret
I think we have plenty of self healing and don't need more
willow edge
Give us a bloodlust. Flavour it however you like but being the first tank with one would be great.
tribal wharf
costs 100 rage as prot
willow edge
I think we have plenty of self healing and don't need more
Yeah a 25 second cd button. Amazing.
tribal wharf
thats the only way
willow edge
costs 100 rage as prot
Or just free like every other Damn lust is
tribal wharf
nope, warrior go total beserker
sweet egret
ignore pain is healing
tribal wharf
maybe 90
sweet egret
leech is healing
willow edge
Ignore pain is mitigation. Not healing lol
sweet egret
brutal vitality is healing
tribal wharf
BDK have to spend runic power to brez
willow edge
BDK have to spend runic power to brez
Also a stupid thing imo lol
sweet egret
I can often sustain myself in m+ while healer runs back after a death
tribal wharf
i think it works
sweet egret
in 13-14-15 keys
willow edge
brutal vitality is healing
1% per 20 rage. I liked dragonflights one. 1 per 10 rage.
sweet egret
so I think it's perfectly enough and not at all where the focus on improving prot warr should be
willow edge
Agree to disagree then lol
I’m sure you have your pet peeves that you think is an issue
wicked pollen
You just cant give the tank with most mitigation a lot of selfhealing
willow edge
Yes cause the best tank isn’t routinely prot paladin that does exactly that
sweet egret
paladin is not the tank with the most mitigation
willow edge
As of now
wicked pollen
prot paladin pales in comparison to warrior in mitigation
willow edge
Tbf I have seen more bad prot pals than wars
wicked pollen
What does that have to do with anything
willow edge
Sidetracked into moaning about healing like other tanks don’t have good mit and heals for themselves and or group
wicked pollen
Yeah but paladin literally takes infinitely more damage than warrior
willow edge
Cause they are currently not tuned the best
There’s been seasons of paladin being if not the best then second best for mit, healing and utility. But no warrior doesn’t need any of that of course.🤦🏻♂️🤣
sweet egret
warrior has mitigation
willow edge
And basically no utility
willow edge
Yeah if your not bringing things for the group then you singularly should be stronger
sweet egret
although our intervene, battle shout and rallying cry are all great
battle shout for a full melee comp is a lot of dmg
willow edge
How often do you run a full phys Comp though
I mainly pug and it’s usually a 50 50 split between phys and caster
Rally is handy but imo could use a “more useful in 5 man content buff”
sweet egret
I rarely encounter 5 man groups of 50 50 caster/melee
anyway, we have utility that is good
not like a paladin but that's their niche
willow edge
I’m not exactly impressed by intervene but maybe if I played MT I’d think otherwise
sweet egret
we have the best mitigation because that's our niche
sweet egret
I would never say no to more damage
🙂
as mountain thane the intervene shield is good, and just the intervene spell is really great in some specific circumstances
willow edge
I think a talent that buffs revenge damage when it hits one target would be nice for boss fights/raids too
cyan bronze
paladin is not the tank with the most mitigation
Meh
Technically if you want to be silly
You can mit a lot of via bubble, just take enough dmg during the bubble and avg it 
oak ivy
pally tank can live Liquefy+Feast with one button on a 3 minute
it took every defensive i had, BSV, Time dilation, sac, and one other i think pain supp for me to live it
getting hit for ~35x your health bar without immunity is fun
oak ivy
other tank dead, raid leader wanted to see a little further in for reasons beyond me
chilly brook
And basically no utility
Outside of very specific seasons, utility is a meme
wicked pollen
other tank dead, raid leader wanted to see a little further in for reasons beyon...
in p1 or 3
of hc or m
chilly brook
Probably because there’s a decent amount to see in p1 if you’re just starting
oak ivy
^^ it was our first night after council i believe
cyan bronze
dilation killed me lmao
stagger is so broken man
oak ivy
or like the night we killed council and had some time left iver
cyan bronze
u should of purifying brewed it
oak ivy
kek
chilly brook
Then yeah it makes sense
oak ivy
But yeah I saw other tank die, 6sec to tank buster, prayed to the healers, "I need every external NOW" and by golly I lived getting hit for 430milly physical damage
I am pretty sure the pally that sacc'd me hit its "wont reduce you below 30%" clause
depending on where in the calc sac falls
tribal wharf
monk tank seems like it was designed with druid healer or renew priest in mind
not paladin or shaman where those have big delayed heals, obv not dragon as dragon no exist then
druid + priest(holy mostly) is healer only, and some of other healer specs are hybrid (disc for sure)
vagrant echo
Anyone able to explain the play style differences going to colossus
Going to try it on a few bosses in mythic raid this week
pallid quiver
Anyone able to explain the play style differences going to colossus
Slower button pressing and you want to find situations where you can just mash revenge for big number
In M raid, you mostly try and note when the adds pop up
then snipe them with revenge casts for free demo stacks
Otherwise, it's pretty similar to Thane, just less button pressing
cerulean tusk
Thane clap clap clap, Col swoosh swoosh swoosh
manic plover
any insight on the upcoming PTR changes for 11.1 and if they are going to make us stronger or weaker in m+ ?
pallid quiver
There hasn't been anything other than the rage nerfs, ye?
If so
like, uh,
obviously we're notably weaker
it's literally nothing but nerfs
urban bane
cerulean tusk
You just dont understand how warrior works, by slowing down the spec - we do in fact better line up with the new raid mechanics, as such will efficently doing 300% more of everything
oak ivy
I'm a meta slave at heart but I really love pwar, are we dooming enough that I gear my ppal
cerulean tusk
At worst we will be solid, but boring
manic plover
crazy that they are basically not touching prot paladins but nerfing warrior rage gen lol
urban bane
manic plover
guess im gonna reroll. its already nearly impossible to get into +12s or higher as a prot warrior
finite loom
guess im gonna reroll. its already nearly impossible to get into +12s or higher ...
Thats why I rerolled protpally 😂
kind urchin
I just keep applying until I get in one. Never give up, never surrender.
smoky anvil
My push group died before we did all 12s and I ain’t tryna pug.
Just gonna do portals and call it a day.
drowsy narwhal
theoretically, shouldnt it be easy for us to find games until like +15? seeing on stream that the top guys do +18 and above, i would have assumed +15 is like the break point for choosing pally over us, +12 seems too early, no?
but maybe those guys want to practice with pallys as early as possible
idk how it is on those high levels though, just speculating
pallid quiver
theoretically, shouldnt it be easy for us to find games until like +15? seeing o...
You can feel it as low as +2s
Community perception is that pervasive
cerulean tusk
+12 is basically midwater atm, where most "triihards" now pool up. I am not kidding, doing 12s as a PuG is a lot harder now than 4 weeks ago. These players are also the ones who often point at and try to follow the meta.
Some of my best keys are just chillin' with like 3 other warriors and the like. Still, people don't care about actual performance, they base their choices on percieved advantages.
From their point of view; if you are waiting 30min to a hour to build a group, you going to do your best to make it as 'optimal' as possible.
pallid quiver
guess im gonna reroll. its already nearly impossible to get into +12s or higher ...
Also, it's too early to really go full send on to opinions like this, since you're assuming PTR is going to do literally nothing for every single spec in the game and that testing is for nerds, anyway
cerulean tusk
I wont blame ppl for doomin', warrior seem to be a generic punching bag
pallid quiver
It's not even the dooming; they could just decide that VDH should do 7x the damage it deals now and now it's meta
cerulean tusk
That is different from warrior getting stabbed in the gut and knife twisted
drowsy narwhal
from my experience, up until +7 i get accepted in my first try, almost got never rejected and think it will stay the same until +10
cerulean tusk
Probably
Tanks are a rare breed in general
Ofc, you prob would see the same going teddybear
pallid quiver
I've been declined from +7s and the like as a tank
cerulean tusk
I been declined from a 8, at 639 ilvl, it is a weird place this earth of ours
pallid quiver
We also never will forget when I got declined from a +2 in S4 of SL, and the group lead told me that Prot War physically couldn't live in a +2
cerulean tusk
drowsy narwhal
😄
cerulean tusk
PuGs man, freaking PuGs
pallid quiver
People who play video games are absolute shit at understanding them
that's not even a wow thing
that's a gaming culture thing
cerulean tusk
I don't mind it, as long they are having fun
cerulean tusk
Nah, I decided to give it a try this season to PuG late
pallid quiver
i'll play anything, just name it
especially if it's kuso
cerulean tusk
It is an experience for sure
oak ivy
become a soulsbornekirocore gamer
pallid quiver
Nah, I decided to give it a try this season to PuG late
one of these days i'll get someone smh
you live in the pug hell that you so desire
cerulean tusk
Lets just say, those questions of teaming up is becoming extremely tempting after this 13 to 14 wall
But I will persevere and push on!
oak ivy
i'll play anything, just name it
_especially_ if it's kuso
Armored Core 6 
pallid quiver
Armored Core 6 ain't a fight game, but I do love me some Armored Core
oak ivy
lets fucking go
vagrant echo
I play all tanks this season and I’ve not noticed it being hard to get into groups as pwar
pallid quiver
I'm already ac pilled
oak ivy
Based
pallid quiver
I read tank and was like, "damn, he's on treads"
vagrant echo
In fact ppal is stupidly right now cause all the trash is rolling the meta so everyone is wary
pallid quiver
I play all tanks this season and I’ve not noticed it being hard to get into grou...
It's more notable once you hit where the prog wall is, wherever that's at in the season. Right now I hear it's at like 12s-14s?
pallid quiver
Dude's able to fire heavy weaponry AND move??
bro just go into debt and get human plus, it's so easy
oak ivy
bro just go into debt and get human plus, it's so easy
does that exist in rubicon or just the older ones
pallid quiver
Only the older ones; more specifically, I'm referring to Gen 1 games
vagrant echo
Big difference in 3k players vs 2.8k players
pallid quiver
So AC, Phantasma, and MoA
oak ivy
yeeep
pallid quiver
13 is the pug wall
I more mean the prog wall than the pug wall, as there's pugs that are fine beyond that point; you just have to also have gotten past that point and stayed ahead
The prog wall is where a large majority gets gatekept due to lack of skill to make up for what they need, so they normally need to overgear harder than the people past the prog wall
And then some point after that is the actual pug wall, where you're gonna need real coordination to live since one-shots start becoming real common
and things will live long enough that you're gonna need to figure some shenanigans out
oak ivy
adios gamers flight time
tribal wharf
adios gamers flight time
someone has this shirt for sale near me, bunch like this, im tempted
some like this look a bit goofy
abstract saddle
how bad is the prot situation on PTR?
no ptr yet afaik
fast oracle
oh? I thought I read something about datamining so I assumed it was up
mighty valley
the announced patch notes are a sizable nerf but PTR isn’t up yet and nothing is final
pallid quiver
Yeah, they could always hit us even harder
fast oracle
shield slam cannot be used with a one handed weapon equipped
revenge can no longer be used with a shield equipped
hardy snow
why need tmog, when you can be ghost shroom 😄
dense cradle
605ilvl and still do 1mil overall
thats more than most dps do at that ilvl
pallid quiver
that's more than most dps do at 636
storm stone
hey yall im brand new to the class/spec. is mountain thane or colossus generally considered the meta pick?
opal forum
MT, you'll find everything you need to play this class in pinned
and the wowhead guide is great
storm stone
oki! ty
been having alot of fun leveling
sad to see the imminent nerfs but i play a brewmaster and blood DK so im used to it
opal forum
Pwar is very fun for sure
yep those are litteraly the 3 tanks i play so i feel you ahah
jagged gust
I should really learn monk
it's always a gamble with ww/brm being invite-able but mw seems kinda easy to pick up
storm stone
its more complicated than it seems.
but you have life cocoon for oh shit buttons
really stressful spec
cyan bronze
Just play brm it’s fun
jagged gust
ig I'll have to find out what you mean, but I feel like it all makes sense y'know
errant oriole
so is prot war really going to be dead come 11.1?
cerulean tusk
With the shown changes so far, it will feel far worse and perform a tad less. Still will be able to tank and hold agro in the weekly 10. So by the laws of Skyhold is deemed to become: "It is fine."
errant oriole
lovely ...
cedar carbon
is there some sort of spreadsheet on what spells intervene works with in the m+ pool? the only 1 i know if is first boss NW
violet ginkgo
so is prot war really going to be dead come 11.1?
sweet summit
is there some sort of spreadsheet on what spells intervene works with in the m+ ...
you can use it on basically any targeted physical attack, like throw flesh, fixate, auto attacks (with a few exceptions)
as thane you can also use it to give a player a magic damage absorb shield (storm shield, hero talent)
rigid yew
I play all tanks this season and I’ve not noticed it being hard to get into grou...
All +11s timed getting straight up insta rejected from +10s
Still not hard to get into a group because the huge lack of tanks overall but I found it interesting
remote anchor
All +11s timed getting straight up insta rejected from +10s
Still not hard to ge...
dont think ive been declined from a 10 as prot in 2 months
ionic fern
It depends on your Io.
opal forum
is 11.1 gonna be pal kingdom again
jagged pier
season 2 is looking an unsub angle not gunna lie
ionic fern
Yep
sweet summit
first they kill the spec then they torture us with that
sweet summit
yeap sounds good
jagged pier
the dungeons they bring back are horrible ToP fucking no thanks had enough of SLs
motherload without pillars was horrendous
sweet summit
aware....
jagged pier
someones got more toxic again after one season of playing the game again i see
sweet summit
can't be me i already quit
jagged pier
sweet summit
wicked pollen
did they make the s2 pool turbo cancer with changes
jagged pier
it was the moment they announced the dungeons
dont need changes to them
subjective (of course)
ionic fern
I actually liked ToP and ML.
But the changes they did are horrid.
And the other dungeons in the pool are also horrid.
jagged pier
im 99% sure every one that remebers ML fondly remeber it with the pillars 
wicked pollen
let me check the exact number i did sl dungeons
jagged pier
was fun with pillars
wicked pollen
i imagine its legit sub 20
sweet summit
motherlode was fun just deathskip from 2nd boss to 3rd and 3rd to 4th
ionic fern
What pillars?
sweet summit
awakened
jagged pier
the affix
jagged pier
i said 99%
sweet summit
👴
jagged pier
mwahi is the 1% 
wicked pollen
what does this mean
jagged pier
they done 24 0s 6 2-4s and 8 5-7s in time
wicked pollen
surely it means i owned
jagged pier
yes
wicked pollen
is the rating system the same from sl
opal forum
it means you like touching grass
wicked pollen
minus the fact that 10s share
sweet egret
theoretically, shouldnt it be easy for us to find games until like +15? seeing o...
I noticed a big drop in invites at 14/15, before that I got instant invites to anything
wicked pollen
1 month in the pink wave started arriving
the bears and warriors instantly overran
jagged pier
ppl never listen same in DF as well
hardy snow
And it will be same in S1 of Midnight 🤷♂️
opal forum
i dont remember last time meta wasnt dh or pal tbh
hardy snow
i dont remember last time meta wasnt dh or pal tbh
DF S2
and SL S3 was big for DK due to their tierset and huge parry
blazing condor
as i said in general i called pala in october so havent been meta for a long tim...
was the same in DF
ppl never learn
severe fjord
question, i see alot of prot warriors running Thunderous Roar over spear in m+.. why so?
jagged pier
well they ither copys a build from hgiher up or they dont have enouhg crit
severe fjord
hmm i see, im currently stuck at surviving +12 keys, got a few done, but they seem pretty tough.. trying to switch around some talents now to see if it helps...
picked the Battle scarred veteran(cheat death) talent up now, so lets see if it helps surviving the bigger pulls ^^
jagged pier
i mean if your struggling in 12s its likely a play issue, if your take BSV your just making yourself weaker more often because your dropping other talents that make u tankier more often
if u have logs we can have a look at what your doing
swapping to roar will also just make u less tanky
as u generate less rage
severe fjord
true that, i have a bunch fo logs, mostly of 10-11 keys,
jagged pier
thats fine
severe fjord
not sure if that link works, should be dawn 11,GB 10,NW 11,
tardy abyss
BSV is not a cheat death, by the way
severe fjord
and im the prot warr ofc ^^
severe fjord
BSV is not a cheat death, by the way
ya i know but its almost cheat death xD
jagged pier
yer heres your problem
espically with your talens u should be close to 100%
as your running HR
your dropping SB alot
and turning your back/letting yourself be hit in the back with SB up
severe fjord
so thats been pretty kuch my conclusion aswell, cuz when i die, its usually because SB falls off ^^
jagged pier
your not pressing your buttons in general
severe fjord
but im not super good at reading logs ^^
jagged pier
well just for thane your general casts are lower than they should be for like SS and such
so your missing out on a tone of rage
your sending a lot of VBs into TB as well which isnt always the best case
as u loose out on a tone of rage from doing it to SSs
which is more avatars and SWs overall
which is more damage and more surivibility over all
like not a perfect comparison but im just checking a mists log of mine because that was the first where i play thane
but i cast tb like 5 less times than u
not perfect comparison tho
but u just need to press buttons more
and faster
espeically SS
severe fjord
so to sum it up, more SS= more SB +dmg, and a bit less of TB ?
and ofc keeping SB up 😄
jagged pier
no TB more but just maybe dont always send VB into it
well the SSing more should help with SB being up or not
but as u have gaps u for sure arent pressing SB, SC or SS enough
cause with HR it should not be falling off at all
severe fjord
i see, Gonna have to improve on those!
abit lost when you are talkning about VB? not sure what you mean with that tho
jagged pier
violent outburst
severe fjord
aah! Ofc!
Thanks for the help!, Gonna try to improve later today when we have time to run some keys again! have 2x GB 12 keys, so atlest 2 tries today 😄
violet ginkgo
espeically SS
what about his SS CPM? good enough?
brave marlin
Hi there.
Just wanted to say thank you to everyone, who helped me the other day. I am already much more comfortable with the binds, and how/when to use most of my abilities :)
sacred dawn
hey all just get back on my prot war after years or maining brew monk, first question who come in mind is what spell you never use as prot war now ? For exemple is there any scenario where you use whirlwind over revenge since its the same rage cost and revenge seems better in any situation ?
same for slam do we use it sometime if i play with mountain thane heroic spec
sacred dawn
thanks !
pure sinew
Hello, this is my first season of doing M+ and I have started timing 12s, my issue is I'm having trouble gathering larger packs with prot warrior. An example is the pulls before riding the dragons on GB. I think a pretty standard pull is to gather both packs and lust but on warrior it can be hard to gather them well. Any tips for pulling two or more packs together quickly?
drowsy narwhal
same for slam do we use it sometime if i play with mountain thane heroic spec
no hamstring, no slam, no whirlwind, no rend
grim pilot
Hello, this is my first season of doing M+ and I have started timing 12s, my iss...
Watch vods, kira/yoda + some other guys have it defo back from when pwar was meta. Use heroic throw and be ready to tc/revenge when it comes to melee
grim pilot
U can charge mobs charge drake heroic leap to the patrol and youre fine
Its fine ig its a good practice
wicked pollen
gm myrtu
drowsy narwhal
Hello, this is my first season of doing M+ and I have started timing 12s, my iss...
you are higher than me, so you surely know better but i feel its a bit clunky in general. but for a quick one you charge and then heoric leap to gather 2
grim pilot
For a 12 you can play pack by pack if your dps is okayish but i wouldnt recommend leaving things to chance
Disrupting shout gained a lot of value coming into tww
pure sinew
In general charge plus heroic leap is enough to pull? I've seen high burst dps pull aggro often and die when I've tried that.
wicked pollen
i would imagine if i see a tank jumping across my screen
hes gathering and not hitting
so
vagrant echo
I charge the patting big guy with avatar clicked while in route, tclap, shield charge the further group, leap to the two, kick the caster in the two, then charge back to the main group, tclap, and SW.
Never had an issue with threat pulling off but I also don’t play with dummies
Having a DK makes that group ez too
And you definitely shouldn’t be playing pack by pack in a 12
Cause that will not work in a 13
grim pilot
12 is basically same as 13 (:
brave marlin
Btw, when i get items such as "Wooly Mountain pelt" and it doesn't go in my junk, and neither in my crafting reagent bag. What kind of item is it then?
It just says some lore to it, and a sell price
Elemental mote, Exceptional Pelt, Wooly mountain pelt, Fluorescent Fluid
drowsy narwhal
from what i understand, one cannot craft everything, only what is listed at Gretal, so my question is, is there a BIS crafting list for us prot warriors anywhere?
jagged gust
Btw, when i get items such as "Wooly Mountain pelt" and it doesn't go in my junk...
It generally means it's an item that's used as a hand-in for gather quests or the likes
dense cradle
from what i understand, one cannot craft everything, only what is listed at Gret...
crafting exists to fill in your weak slots
so whatever you dont have 639
drowsy narwhal
i mean, i am all heroic gear sitting at 622 ilvl, so basically i need all 😄
drowsy narwhal
the question is, so late in the season, should i just save up my gold and gilded crests for next season?
remote anchor
crests wont carry over to next season
drowsy narwhal
i can farm mythich +8 or +9 with even this gear i think
remote anchor
there will be new ones
dense cradle
yeah
grim pilot
I had to spend like 150k for 1 craft early season
drowsy narwhal
ahh okay,
grim pilot
150k will cover your whole gear crafted nowadays
drowsy narwhal
i just have 100k in total 😄 lol what
dense cradle
cuz ingots still cost a bit
grim pilot
Made it all back
drowsy narwhal
jesus those numbers are beyond my level 😄
grim pilot
And a lot more
dense cradle
sales?
drowsy narwhal
how do you make that amount back?
dense cradle
key sales early on?
grim pilot
Ye
dense cradle
makes sense
grim pilot
Was getting paid 300k per key
drowsy narwhal
ahh, you guys are selling boosting
grim pilot
Planning to do key sales later on as well
dense cradle
raid sales are usually best gold/time spent
grim pilot
I dont have a guild
- shit went down
By a lot
Its good if you were planning to raid anyways
dense cradle
ahh, you guys are selling boosting
boosting is the best gold
grim pilot
Its not that good if you do it only for the gold
drowsy narwhal
what mythic level is expected from the player who boosts? vaguely?
grim pilot
It all depends how early
drowsy narwhal
say, right now
dense cradle
well yeah obvs
grim pilot
And u can start
remote anchor
what mythic level is expected from the player who boosts? vaguely?
2700
dense cradle
you aint getting shit for boosting 10s atm
grim pilot
Its like 20k per key or something
remote anchor
currently for 10s
remote anchor
Its like 20k per key or something
yea
grim pilot
Its cool if you got a team
dense cradle
lmao glad to see it hasnt changed
dense cradle
right its nice side money if you were already filling alt vaults
grim pilot
High key sales pay decent gold
grim pilot
When i get back i plan on grabbing some
dense cradle
that shit is awful
grim pilot
Its up to like 300-500k per key
drowsy narwhal
how do you find ppl to boost?, i m far away from 2700 (2k right now) but maybe next season i can do it (i just started playing 6 weeks ago, so i dont have much gold)
dense cradle
10s early on likely pay the most
grim pilot
Its still okay to do on an alt
dense cradle
from people wanting vaults for their rats
grim pilot
Most amount of money
Is from title boost
Back in df it was basically like 30-40m
For guaranteed title
drowsy narwhal
i dont get why ppl would want to get boosted to lvl 10-15 though? whats the point? why do they give so much money for nothing?
dense cradle
Whats the point though
dense cradle
I can only see a point if you want title
grim pilot
As long as they pay
dense cradle
or vault slots for your shit alts
grim pilot
But there is a reward associated with it
remote anchor
early on it was like 300k cut
grim pilot
Nah
remote anchor
pretty good
dense cradle
Yeah i usually only do ce mount sales tbf
also sold fyrak owl to guildie for a mil
grim pilot
I got like up to 500k
dense cradle
man wanted it early
grim pilot
And we jumped late on it
We just kinda have this small community that does weeklies on alts
From good guilds
dense cradle
thats also jokingly a way to make easy gold if you get lucky getting mount on first kill
grim pilot
I uhm
dense cradle
and you have gold goblins in raid who want it first
grim pilot
Didnt boost in s4
Shouldve
It was incredibly easy gold influx
Only boosted like once
dense cradle
was ok since we cleared early on
grim pilot
Full pug
And im the type of person that gears 15 alts every season
So i actually couldve done it
grim pilot
I got the hourglass recipe
I remember checking my bags
On discord with friend
And i was telling him what i have
And he was like „that recipe is 800k”
dense cradle
yeah like half the jcs didnt have hourglass recipe
jagged gust
I got hourglass my second chest, and Raz mount by accidentally queuing in to S1 LFR in S2 before I learned which raid was what
dense cradle
most preferred making titanic insight
grim pilot
The more i play this game (the more xp i have) the more i spend
dense cradle
since you could embellish it
grim pilot
So nowadays 450k (sold it for this much)
Wouldnt last me long
But back then it was good stuff 
dense cradle
i thought df s1 was bad
grim pilot
Day 1 636 weapon
dense cradle
but it was mostly just sophic devo
grim pilot
Also in general
I just use augments for keys
I buy it in batches of like 100
And i burn through it quite fast
jagged gust
Damn, now that's money down the drain
grim pilot
I dont mind it
I dont enforce it upon anyone
But i am mad if someone doesnt use r3 flask
😠
People are greeding on 1k for 2 hours
tardy abyss
People are greeding on 1k for 2 hours
2 hours if alch
But 1k per hour isnt much still
dense cradle
its 1.5 hours
grim pilot
Back in df i had bs/jc and i didnt wanna delete it back then because of what I got
dense cradle
but you can also proc a free r3 daily
grim pilot
Its 2h
dense cradle
on your first craft
grim pilot
Back in df i had bs/jc and i didnt wanna delete it back then because of what I g...
But for tww i deleted both and got engi/alch
And use engi/alch for every alt unless i specifically need something else
tardy abyss
Engi for what
tardy abyss
Honestly I still wish they would make potion bombs useful
grim pilot
Knockback for keys
Free invis
Engi is best prof objectively
Alchemy just saves u lots of gold
jolly venture
what spec should i be using mostly running dungeons not even up to keys yet. just wanna have some time with my abilities to tune my ui and get used to whats what
jagged pier
thane
jolly venture
is there a place i can import a build from? icyveins?
jagged pier
yes in the talents menu
well both wowhead and icy should have export buttons
and then u can import in game
jolly venture
yeah just not sure which one to grab honestly just been back fro like a week
severe fjord
Is it worth replacing these(Ilvl626, with crafted ones at 636? even tho those are my "Bis"?
grim pilot
Id keep the neck defo for high haste
Cloak idk effect is not that big i would prob replace it with crafted + more haste as well
jagged gust
^
sweet egret
In general charge plus heroic leap is enough to pull? I've seen high burst dps p...
dps fault if they kill themselves to aggro
also, I always pull 1st group of 3 to the dragon until the dragons first knockback, lust and pull the patrol of 3
then pull the patrol with the first static group at the dragons
then the next 2 groups together
not too much gathering, but also not too small groups
mighty valley
leap by itself doesn't do much and probably won't hit everything unless you leap to the center of the pack and get backhit, i'd try and do at least a tc or something to hold against hots
unless you have a very restrained team
vagrant echo
The two you leap on have to run back over you to get to the rest of the group (if the work caster is silenced)
So plenty of time to catch more aggro on them
I’m more worried about them catching aggro on the mobs they are at
grim pilot
dps fault if they kill themselves to aggro
Not always + especially this season
If best ppal in a season where ppal is highest damage output tank complains about aggro issues with timelessness from evoker then its real bad
They fixed threat modifier a bit but considering how enha could pull aggro with timelessness then its still insufficient
mighty valley
yeah there's a big overall threat buff datamined for next patch right?
grim pilot
It happened already
dusky canopy
11% for all tanks right?
grim pilot
Up to uhh 830% or 850%
mighty valley
oh, I thought there was another one
grim pilot
Not sure how much relatively
mighty valley
at some point they'll just say "fuck it, 100000000000%"
tardy abyss
11% for all tanks right?
Was 23%
grim pilot
closer to 20%
tardy abyss
Or 22, not sure
dusky canopy
Ahh alright I was just guessing
grim pilot
That doesnt cover timelessness dif
dusky canopy
ENH still pulls off tanks with the threat buff that’s pretty wild
grim pilot
As in without timelessness yeah could probably
With timelessness its probably okay now
I havent had any issues
I didnt play for almost 3 weeks myself but i did experience few days of it
tardy abyss
ENH still pulls off tanks with the threat buff that’s pretty wild
Tbf back to back Tempest is pretty wild
dusky canopy
Yeah I’m not really familiar but I lve always been of the opinion that a tank pressing their rotational buttons should passively maintain threat without any thought
grim pilot
But thats just bl + full cds + lightning rod stuff + good proccs
tardy abyss
My Ele got aggro recently but it was a low key
grim pilot
Should be the thing
tardy abyss
Hard to recover from
grim pilot
Because i pull aggro 15 sec into the pull
tardy abyss
Kinda fine as pwar but eh
grim pilot
Because pala tank has to sync cds with mine
dusky canopy
I haven’t had issue with ppal myself but I can rip off a bear no problem as fury or ret lol
grim pilot
Even though they get cdr
Ppal is okay-ish with wings
Shouldnt be any issue
But without wings
They dont do that much damage
I depleted gb because i soloed the pack, did i think 9 times more than tank, pulled aggro from everything, died + got ressed into no defs and all my dogs i had gone so we wiped
drowsy narwhal
say you cant get mythic gear, and you craft your main 5 pieces (which are normally the set pieces), do you go on and do the catalyst to turn those 636 crafted gear into the set pieces?
sweet egret
you can't
drowsy narwhal
aah okay, thanks
drowsy narwhal
since i started playing wow, i created a discord account and using it now overall for wow, never used it before
and i must say this channel here feels like "home" to me, thank you guys for answering my newbie questions
i have joined other places, too meanwhile but i use this channel as my base 😄
real crypt
Is colossus more dmg overall in dungeons or does it depend on the dungeon?
jagged pier
its more
pallid quiver
Colo does lots more damage anytime there's 3 or more targets
real crypt
ah ok, cool
pallid quiver
Since it lets it casually farm Demolish stacks with revenge
This applies to raid, as well; fishing for those extra stacks on add spawns gives a non-zero amount of extra damage
real crypt
nice
drowsy narwhal
i was just going through my bookmarks a second ago, and randomly these stats caught my eyes
according to this, colossus has the highest tank dps in raiding (heroic) and 2nd highest (mythic raiding):
but in dungeons its almost the same as mountain thane
tribal wharf
B for BDK
i heard they bufed the shit out of bdk the vampire survivor one at least
it had insanely low chance to proc something really good and they buffed it from i want to say like 15% to 25% chance
some leech or deathstrike somethin, i cant do paladin at least not lightsmith, too many buttons
monk also has too many buttons
but then again i probably wouldnt play a druid and i probably equally wouldnt play dh
drowsy narwhal
Is colossus more dmg overall in dungeons or does it depend on the dungeon?
so it seems in dungeons both are almost equal according to the stats from above, paladin is miles ahead
tribal wharf
i still to this day have no idea how dh tank just get pancaked on pulls
tardy abyss
so it seems in dungeons both are almost equal according to the stats from above,...
Na Colossus can easily compete with Pally
drowsy narwhal
yeah, might be, i have 0 experience, just talking based on those stats from above
tribal wharf
i think the type of player who is good at col pwar is so good that they dont need to come here for help ever
maybe once a month "how does fire ball work"
tardy abyss
Probably yeah lmao
drowsy narwhal
but thats the logic behind stats, no? like it takes the average and they even say they take the best ones:
jagged pier
its note very hard u just have less rage
tardy abyss
Many average scores pull down few good ones
Meanwhile Thane is (even more) straight forward
drowsy narwhal
i dont want to object since i have 0 experience, but a) according to the site, they dont take average, they only take the best ones, and it seems the best ones are nowhere near paladins and b) even if they took the average, the same goes for paladins and the avg. paladin has better dps than the avg colossus
tardy abyss
Do they actually provide numbers?
tribal wharf
in general im more use to combat that is very very loosely planned hide and wait and frantic and sporadic encounters, so like an fps basically
or that you dont have to actively combat as hard as you do in retial wow
so like stalker 2
pallid quiver
i dont want to object since i have 0 experience, but a) according to the site, t...
I can guarantee you they're not taking "the best" because of this:
That's some shit tier DPS
tardy abyss
...485k dps?
pallid quiver
Also of note is that HPS is lower than Colo
drowsy narwhal
you can see "dungeon runs" on the right column, thats all i can find, idk
pallid quiver
This is part of why data aggregation sites aren't very useful
Data only matters with context
Otherwise you can get people accurately telling you to not where a helmet when on a bicycle, as it increases the chance of head injury.
Which is, in fact, true.
but you're lacking the context that it increases head injuries because fatalities stemming from head trauma are not classified as head injuries
You need to know from what the data is sourced from, how it's congregated, and what the context surrounding the data even is
Otherwise you end up falling into one of ten thousand different fallacies
drowsy narwhal
i cant datamine wow, and people's opinions are anecdotal
pallid quiver
Things like this can also be skewed by people just flat-out high rolling on specs, like what Nome did on his Sikran fight
drowsy narwhal
so i just provided a website with data, but i dont know how accurate it is
jagged pier
Things like this can also be skewed by people just flat-out high rolling on spec...
dat was hc
i was in the raid too
pallid quiver
ye
man popped off so hard on that fight it's higher than most DPS ever pull
hell it's even higher than most of his arms parses on the same fight on heroic
pallid quiver
Jakey: "ha ha i was in the raid too
wait he outdamaged me, too"
tardy abyss
How much dps did he do
tardy abyss
?????
jagged pier
Jakey: "ha ha i was in the raid too
wait he outdamaged _me_, too"
nah was always gunna happen im garbage at other classes
pallid quiver
It's the highest tank parse at all on the fight
tardy abyss
That is insane
jagged pier
he got very good jugg procs
pallid quiver
I think it's like 200k more than he managed on any other boss?
but yeah he high rolled a little bit
He didn't even get PI
tardy abyss
Speaking of Sikran, playing ranged on that fight is sooo much better than melee on mythic
As arms I sweat to hit like 1.6M
My 624 ele did 1.5M with ease
Pure ST ele like BM tbf lmao
real crypt
i think the type of player who is good at col pwar is so good that they dont nee...
not sure if it was a dig at me, but damn