protection

[pallid quiver]

the other node for roar took some real beatin' coming into TWW

[strong forum]

Sim says no

But it's up to you what you're more comfortable with

[boreal oak]

Hey guys is one of the wowhead builds the highest pure ST dps?

[pallid quiver]

The highest pure ST DPS builds are the execute builds on there

When geared, it's also the Colossus build generally that gives the most damage in pure ST

As soon as there's a splash of adds at all, it gets even further ahead for ST damage, like in almost every single encounter in raid atm

Since Colo can farm stacks for Demolish/Might by slamming Revenge on the packs of adds

[frosty mango]

Can confirm execute colo rips on st

Especially if fight time is drawn because you’re carrying dps

[pallid quiver]

my pure ST actually sims slightly better for Thane atm because I'm not even close to max ilvl gear or have enough crit I wager

[frosty mango]

I sim higher thane for st but in practice I find colo normally nets me more

Probably because I’m bad

[pallid quiver]

I do generally get the higher ST with Thane when sitting on dummies, but I cannot be assed to change talents mid-raid like that when I'm only like 618 or 620 ilvl or whatever

I still slop over the large majority of people fully geared and who tank mythic and attempt to parse in heroic, so I'm pretty chill

[frosty mango]

Im 635 and usually st bosses in heroic or early mythic I’m around 950-1.1m

[pallid quiver]

assuming the pugs I join even kill the boss instead of finding ways to die constantly

My highest was 839k on Princess in Heroic

At 620

i was the only person in top 100 not above 63x when i didded that, which made me smile

[frosty mango]

I don’t tank pugs anymore because the other tank almost always can’t do more than 300k dps which causes a lot of threat issues

[pallid quiver]

I just assume I'll have threat 100% of the time

[tribal wharf]

i go back to my idea about that

if the tank pulls it, tank gets extra aggro on it during pull, 5 seconds of more aggro with things like shield charge sheild slam

[pallid quiver]

maybe if i care enough, I'll get more than a 619 ilvl wep and trinkets to try and pump more

[frosty mango]

This game just needs shirk from ff14 tbh

Would solve all the tank mismatch threat issues

[tribal wharf]

spam clap and taunt and SS on random skeletal dinosaur appears is pain in the ass and destroys my rotation

[pallid quiver]

taunt theoretically should already do that, since FF14 taunt doesn't give you aggro boost (unless they've changed that since I last played)

the problem is

your average raid tank in wow fucking hates pressing buttons

Absolutely despises it

[tribal wharf]

all im saying is i think when combat starts, tank has 5-10 seconds of even more increased aggro

as long as they are doing the attacks

and be nice if mobs that spawn in during keys have a wind up, so they dont just immediately beeline mage, smack him

[cerulean tusk]

Generally speaking, if you talking raid - as a tank, you got to remember you two are a team. So if the other guy struggle with you taking over him on threat, you hold. Then, if you are premade you talk it out and sort that out. If it is a PuG, after the pull, ask for him to be replaced or leave if you can't handle doing the whole threat game.

[honest hare]

Happy new year 😜

[cerulean tusk]

Happy New Year to you Scher, and to anyone else o/

[frosty mango]

Shirk lets you give the aforementioned button avoider threat as opposed to assuming they have more than 1 finger

[frosty mango]

It’s not a team if the other tank is doing 200k dps, threat disparity isn’t really a problem (because of how taunt works) as long as they’re doing a reasonable amount

[cerulean tusk]

You still a team

You are the two working together to achieve the goal

Disfunctional, sure. But don't forget what a team is.

[pallid quiver]

i mean like i said, I just plan on tanking 100% of the time

it don't hurt enough most of the time

[frosty mango]

I don’t think every tank should be blasting 1m dps, that’s not reasonable to expect

[frosty mango]

Fair lol

[cerulean tusk]

As long you chose a) Being adaptive, or b) Fix the problem, by leaving or talking it over
I am golden with whatever views you got

Just never let things fester

To be fair, in raid, if your co-tank aint someone you chat with during pulls, what are you even doing in that tank-team

[frosty mango]

Only an issue in pugs, good luck getting a reply lol

[frosty mango]

I just don’t tank pugs because of gear disparity/threat disparity - I know it’s gonna be an issue so why introduce it

[cerulean tusk]

It is the game and how the mechanic works

You rather boss never swap target as long it has been taunted once?

I kinda enjoy the whole threat gameplay as a co-tank, it lets us push eachother and compete. Yet, if my partner struggle, I chill

Be it PuG or premade, I strive to get a good vibe with my team mate

[tardy abyss]

Making tanking even more boring is not a solution to make it more popular

It already is boring as hell in raid

[cerulean tusk]

So very boring

Great tank banter and troll tho

Shadowmeld is key for fun

[frosty mango]

That’s why I said the shirk solution is a good one.

A) solves disparity issues
B) doesn’t break the game in any way
C) promotes communication

[cerulean tusk]

Aight, so break down Shirk mechanically for me, I don't play FF

[frosty mango]

Cooldown skill, transfers a portion of your threat to another tank spec target

I think it’s currently 30% but the number isn’t important

[cerulean tusk]

So missdirect for tanks

[frosty mango]

Yes except it transfers existing threat not redirects

Basically takes 30% of your value and moves it

Redirect not misdirect

[cerulean tusk]

That sounds mindnumbing boring to me, as you just remove agency of one player - and move it sole on the other. As the carry can then carry, not by adapting and talking - but by litteraly carrying

I can just play the game the same way all the time

[frosty mango]

Yes, precisely

I’ll trade “frustrating for no reason” for “simple solution” any day

[cerulean tusk]

Well, fair - I now get what you want. I will just say, I really dont want that.

Todays system works more than fine, and enables more interactions

[tardy abyss]

What was the start of this conversation

One tank not being able to hold aggro cuz low dps?

[cerulean tusk]

How to handle that situation, is basically the discussion. Then a question of solutions

[tardy abyss]

Idk if the other tank is just that bad they don't deserve the kill

[frosty mango]

Essentially how to handle threat disparity whether because of gear or dps disparity

[tardy abyss]

No reason to make it more mindnumbing

And reward a player who does not know how to press 2 buttons

[pallid quiver]

bold of you to assume they know how to press one, stjpa

[tardy abyss]

If it is just gear, sure, but you know it is gonna happen

[cerulean tusk]

You can play around all scenarios

[pallid quiver]

We won't forget that BDK I had who was rockin' a mighty 30k DPS

[frosty mango]

Oh they’re pressing them, just not the right ones

[tardy abyss]

Every dps needs to have some skill, so do healers, why should the only thing tanks have be removed too

[pallid quiver]

30k DPS, with one cast of Heart Strike in the entire pull

[frosty mango]

Mechanics gaming

[pallid quiver]

so i guess you're right, they are pressing buttons

rather, button

[cerulean tusk]

Autos would do more than 30k

hms

things don't add up

[tardy abyss]

Shirk would not solve this specific problem anyway

[frosty mango]

It would not

[pallid quiver]

i can't tell you what they did, kitty, but they pulled 30k DPS

I know they only had 1 cast of Heart Strike,

[cerulean tusk]

I seen worse, so I believe you, dont worry

[pallid quiver]

The rest was autos

[frosty mango]

It would largely be something to ease scenarios where one tank has to artificially lower their dps to account for the other tanks gear

[tardy abyss]

I can see it be a thing in maybe lfr

Perhaps normal

[cerulean tusk]

LFR you only need 1 tank already tho

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, my stance is that we effectively already have Shirk by virtue of taunt increasing your threat gen by a lot

[tardy abyss]

Nah

[cerulean tusk]

yah

[frosty mango]

If you’re 635 and the other tank is 605 and you’re in a heroic it’s gonna be very hard for you to reduce your damage enough without just not pressing buttons - which is not a good solution

[tardy abyss]

Ovinax would like to have a word

[cerulean tusk]

Just meld, baka

[tardy abyss]

Had to solotank it when I was only 610 or so

[frosty mango]

True and real

[tardy abyss]

Died at 11 stacks

[cerulean tusk]

lel, trash tank dying in LFR

[pallid quiver]

lfr ansurek auto-splits you, so a side would be down a tank

healer issue since DPS 100% can live face-tanking things on plat, tho, on LFR

[cerulean tusk]

As long it aint my side, it aint my problem - DPS will tank

[tardy abyss]

iirc it was ticking for like 5M

[cerulean tusk]

My favorite part tho, is doing HC runs, and you got hero warrior DPS taunting the tankbuster to save me from the mechanic finishing me off

[tardy abyss]

Was fun

[cerulean tusk]

F in chat to the true heroes

[tardy abyss]

F

[pallid quiver]

ha ha that's me

Also shout-outs to the Evokers doing triple duty on mechs

[worldly jetty]

how do we impending victory in M+? is it a prioity?

[strong forum]

Whenever you could use a 20% heal

For example in NW14 that I did as Colossus I used impending 18 times

[pallid quiver]

think of it like a healthstone that costs rage, pretty much

[grim pilot]

I dont tank on war above 10 i love being unkillable 100% hp machine

If im below

I press it

[strong forum]

The 14 felt just like a 10

Like

Actual piss

Nothing felt any different except that my dps could die and wiping to bosses is possible

I forgot to even use spellblock on the first NW pull

[jolly venture]

Any YouTubers you guys recommend to learn the dungeons in tww just getting back to game and want to tank as warrior. Maybe near if it's actually that much easier

[strong forum]

I think yoda and kira have some keys uploaded but not tutorials or guides

And I myself haven't really done anything fun this season

Maybe @stoic pilot has something uploaded dunno

Best way to learn dungeons for me is to just do them and pay attention to what's happening in your first run

And the rest just... Goes from there

[jagged gust]

I like Tactyks or however you spell it, quick 5-10min overview of each dungeon without going in to excruciating detail

[strong forum]

Most abilities and stuff is very self explanatory by just looking at what they do, if it's blockable, reflectable, leave a debuff or not, what does the debuff do, does the mob have a buff, what does the cast they do, is it physical or magical damage

All of these things just pack by pack explain themselves by just doing the dungeon

[grim pilot]

14 is not hard ye

[pallid quiver]

once you have prior experience of learning, at least

[grim pilot]

And it can legit feel like a 10

Esp in nw

[pallid quiver]

Knowing to look for half of that is the problem

[grim pilot]

People kick more in 14 than in 10

And first pull you play the same regardless

So its all the same

[pallid quiver]

The only kicks you get in keys lower than 10 is kicks from the group is what I've found on my alts

[strong forum]

i played with the same people so yeh

otherwise i wouldnt step into a 14

people who unironically do 14s this late into the season are uh

[grim pilot]

Esp if you play with good players

Ye i mean its all relative

If you play with good group

16 feels easier than a 13

And im not doing extremes

Im being reasonable

[strong forum]

ye ik

have had +25s in s3 that were harder than +29s

hell 23s even

[grim pilot]

My 31s in df were easier than some 25s

[strong forum]

yea

[wild chasm]

Nome you stepped into higher keys? 😮

[pallid quiver]

it sounds more like he was seduced into them

[wild chasm]

Imagine seducing the parrygod

I would ascend with the Valkyrs to drink from the horns if I were able to do that

[pallid quiver]

I just get bullied by the parrygod

[wild chasm]

Why is that? 😮

[obtuse viper]

so fun fact for y'all, did you know that on the second boss of arakara you want to stack on others with the ice circle. just tanked my first m+ of the season and it was a 10 city of threads. I learned a lot.

[pallid quiver]

I'm just too lovable smh
I'm very dumb

[pallid quiver]

yeah it lists it in the dungeon journal

[obtuse viper]

city not ara kara ope

[pallid quiver]

stacks go bye bye if other people are close

[obtuse viper]

man I play warrior I can only read my name

[pallid quiver]

it happens

[obtuse viper]

I have a full time care taker I am dictating my discord messages to at the moment.

[pallid quiver]

Tell Judith to bring her oatmeal pudding next time she swings by. I do ever so love it.

She treats us Warriors so nice

[jagged gust]

I disable visible names, can't not read what isn't there!

checkmate

[obtuse viper]

I have so much to learn

[brazen glacier]

On the 3rd SoB boss, how do you guys usually handle the crashing tide/tidal wave overlap that happens on the third tidal wave? When right as you're hiding from the wave he throws the frontal at you (and everyone else).

I've tried to be patient and wait for it before jumping into the rest of the group, but the timing is a little loose on it, so sometimes it can happen during the first wave, sometimes during the second.

[jagged gust]

sidestrafe towards safety while pointing him away from the party, there's still time to reposition after the cast goes out, else leap

timers are absolutely fucky this season, SoB and SV I've noticed in particular

[grim pilot]

Straight line, always. People can move back tiny bit. Maybe (?) could pop spell block and try to tank the waves so its easier to put frontal but wouldnt recommend it

[untold bane]

position further back in the safe area than the rest of group, this will give create enough space

[strong forum]

ive once even done the highest key a pwar has ever done at the time in that season!

i think

[untold bane]

what ive found unreal in SoB is raider hook into enforcer bellow, those abilities line up perfectly at the same time

[strong forum]

thats why people lust that pack in high keys

and also you can LoS bellow

[untold bane]

the amount of burst that is very high regardless of +30% haste

[strong forum]

thats why you lust it so you dont get that overlap

or rather, as little overlaps as possible

before you run out of defensive CDs

[worldly jetty]

what is slam's role? do we ever use it in M+?

[jagged gust]

nah, just a leftover ability that's included for RP reasons

[oblique stratus]

How does heroic throw work? lets say if there is a pack of 5 mobs that i need to pull from range and use heroic throw on a mob, do i just generate high threat on that one mob or the whole pack?

[strong forum]

threat is based on dmg done

you didnt do any dmg to any other of the mobs besides the one you hit

and the "high threat" is just a x4 multiplier of the dmg of heroic throw

so if HT does 1000 dmg, you did 4000 threat X tank modifier

[oblique stratus]

okay cool, coz i have trouble pulling certain ranged mobs like the double shadowwalker pack where they tend to open with umbral rush and usually the healer gets targeted as soon as i tag with heroic throw since there are 2 of them in a pack. and same can go for siege first pull when u pull packs with heroic throw on top of the stairs

[strong forum]

yeah gotta be attentive with pulling from range

heroic throw 1 taunt the other

[violet ginkgo]

Happy New Year to you all.

Hopefully blizz not f'ing warrior too much in this 2025

[cerulean tusk]

Happy New Year's, ya know they will stay the course!

[marsh dove]

Hey gang, quick question, why does wowhead say Crit over vers but everything I've heard in here says it doesn't matter?
Does it really not matter, or am I griefing by stacking vers?

[cerulean tusk]

Crit got more offensive value in general, even more if you go Colossus. Vers is just decent value

[mighty valley]

It says crit and vers are roughly equivalent iirc

[cerulean tusk]

Dont worry, all stats are kinda good 👍 I am full mastery and am fine

[mighty valley]

Don’t stress about secondaries, they’re like the four thousandth most important things

[marsh dove]

Ah, I'm watching a guide to see if there's anything obvious I'm missing before I start stepping into 13's and shit

And it shows Crit over vers

[cerulean tusk]

Dont face your back to the enemy and you will be fine

[marsh dove]

LOL fair

Also; I got told to press IP when my next shield slam would over cap my rage, but looking at my logs in wow analyzer it says I'm wasting like 600m+ ignore pain and like 20k rage playing that way, am I missing something? Should I be playing slower, and letting myself take damage first?
Like I've had to modify how I've played to let myself take damage and press revenge even when I would want to press IP, but my IP is full

[cerulean tusk]

CBA to read wall, will guess:
If you got 60+ rage, just send the IP if you not saving for something special

Goal is to reset slams, for more rage, for more resets

[marsh dove]

Okay, so overcapping ignore pain means nothing to me?

[cerulean tusk]

Nah, you just want to spend rage. And IP shield gets torn down fast as you go higher

[marsh dove]

Fair enough, I guess the keys I've been doing consistently are 11's and those are piss now so

I can literally swap b-stance mid pack and just live cause I take no damage lmao

[cerulean tusk]

That do be warrior, we are brickhouses in a world of papertanks

[jagged gust]

that's protwar in a nutshell

[marsh dove]

Yeah literally, feels like once you learn how to live a pack/pull you just don't die ever, unless the healer does and it's a magic pack

[jagged gust]

iunno, sometimes I'll pull a triple pack and forget to press defensives

[cerulean tusk]

Bleeds and turning your back, other than that you got the tools to live

[jagged gust]

I still live, but my hp bar moves to an uncomfortable 50%

[cerulean tusk]

[marsh dove]

I play dark iron too so I can just "nuh-uh" the bleeds off every 2 mins

[cerulean tusk]

Bleeds is healer mechanic

[marsh dove]

Everything is a healer mechanic

[marsh dove]

Yeah I've gone almost full dungeons without pressing SW or LS lmao

Just IP, avatar, and demo for the win

Anyway, thanks guys! Happy new year everyone!

[cerulean tusk]

Happy New Years 🎉🥳

[pallid quiver]

To elaborate, overcapping IP doesn't matter because you'd otherwose lose out on soending rage so you could generate more rage

Spending rage triggers:
Anger Management to reset SW and Avatar CDs
Indomitable healing
Provides value to Outburst to give you more rage to gen

And so on

Generating rage is amazing, because you can then spend it

Which also makes you generate more rage

[marsh dove]

So, basically rage is the only thing that I actually have to give a shit about

?

[pallid quiver]

With current rage economy, IP will just end up active as long as you are playing properly

So keep SB up and make sure to keep spending rage

And IP solves itself

You can get an idea of this by sending your general opener of CDs against dummies in town; you physically can't spend all the rage, and you'll understand how often you end up pressing IP

So it just ends up existing, and gets fluffed by Brutal Vit

[marsh dove]

So basically enjoy how much rage we generate before they neuter it

[pallid quiver]

yes

When they do slap it down, the main thing that will change is you press IP less

so no decision making changes or anything

also you'll do like 30% less damage in ST alone

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-angry-kitty-kawaii-gif-11246754498393089862

[jagged gust]

stats and a fisherman

[rigid yew]

Aye aye cap'n 🫡

[hollow citrus]

is it generally pretty acceptable to drop ravager for BSV if i'm feeling squishy?

[jagged gust]

It's the easier choice, as the other option is to drop SC entirely and spec in to bolster, so you have to use Last Stand to supplement your SB uptime you lose from dropping champion's bulwark

[jagged pier]

really you should be asking why u feel squishy

[violet ginkgo]

The feeling is not real, it's only your imagination DMWalk

[hollow citrus]

yeah, i think its more that i'm coming from Blood DK, so not being able to immediately heal back after a big hit is making me nervous

[jagged pier]

but your not supposed to do that as warrior in the first place

u mitigate the big hit

[signal yoke]

hi, what about Refracting agression module ?

[tardy abyss]

Bad

Every tank trinket is kinda bad this season

[violet ginkgo]

The big hit is not really a big hit for warrior at least if you are coming from BDK. One hit that probably hit you for like 3-4 mill at BDK then you heal it back probably will hit warrior about 1 mil after all of the reduction.

This is rough estimate though, but you get it.

#protection message
Can check that too

[cyan bronze]

sure

but

you’re trading a 90 sec cd

that front loads your rage&helps you pull

for bsv

if that’s worthwhile to you yes

[dusky sentinel]

Happy new year guys! How bad is Throngus finger trinket for us? Like. Im already running ara and skarmorak but just looking at defensive trinkets for the giggles. We dont really use dodge but how big is 12k dodge?

[cyan bronze]

Mid af kinda ass

[dusky sentinel]

Love the sentence

[cyan bronze]

It’s better than a dragonflight trinket

Probably

Maybe on par with s4 Dreadplate(hyperbolic)

[dusky sentinel]

Thats huge!

[cyan bronze]

It’s random mit

Is the issue

Or you can play around 12k semi rng dodge

Idk what’s worse

Ig theoretically if there was a first pull with like a trillion white swings it would provide a lot of dr

[dusky sentinel]

Was just curios on the numbers. Reality caught up real fast anyways

[stable grotto]

how would you rank the tanking specs from most, to least durable in m+?

[sweet summit]

@stable grotto

[sick sentinel]

is there any reason to use whirlwind once you have revenge?

[remote anchor]

no

[pallid quiver]

depends on how you're defining durable

If you mean self-sustaining, it's generally always BDK just due to how their kit works. If you mean mitigation wise, Prot War mitigates the most upfront

Every tank is fine, though, and are strong overall

[cyan bronze]

meta tank>other tanks

[cerulean tusk]

Most tanky tank
Warrior

Most swooshywooshy tank
Demon Hunter

Most 'If I live, I live' tank
Death Knight

Most useful tank
Paladin

Honorable mention:
Teddybear is cute

[brittle owl]

Hey guys i want to wish you all a happy new years. Discord is full of copypasted holiday messages, that people don't even read and just forward to other servers. I don't like that. I like to write what i deeply wish and what comes from my heart. Our friendships, from the most deep ones to the most virtual ones are very important and will never be represented by a simple message copied from elsewhere. This being said I would like to thank all of you. You are the best hockey team i've ever played with. A big hug

[grizzled orbit]

HOOOW fu***k are we next patch... Reroll prot pal??!

[violet ginkgo]

unsub angle.

[chilly brook]

Define swooshywooshy for me please

[median garnet]

Is anyone willing to look at my logs and tell me why I'm so bad. I'm really lost.

[novel steeple]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/449510248579858432

[chilly brook]

you can just drop them here

I can look for general things

[median garnet]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1WagAVxLfTZMnpyk

[obsidian girder]

hey guys, maybe someone can clearfy the sim for me. compared trinkets and new ring gems.

that into the fray gives more dps is obvious.

but why does the game to tell me to replace eggsag with mad queens mandate ? even without into fray

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4t62AezDsj2UuNeYy6164f

[hidden arrow]

Probably because it's on 1 minute.

[obsidian girder]

4 target 1 min is ok for m+ pull sim ?

Even 1 mob 3 minutes is mandate over egg

[pallid quiver]

you have to consider that mandate is a major burst trinket, and you're ignoring half of its CD by only doing 1 min

In an actual environment, it's not just going to suddenly be up for the next 4 target pack that lasts 1 minut

which is what the sim you did is telling you

Mandate will also generally be a better option in pure ST, as well

since it will scale its damage dealt with the boss' HP, since it does more damage the more HP the mob is missing

That won't always be the case in an actual M+ environment; you'll likely end up sending it on mobs that are higher HP than the one you were hitting. It might not even be realistically feasible to actually snipe mobs with the cast, either

[ancient reef]

where do prot wars fall in the dps realm vs other tanks, i play this and bdk and the bdk out dps my prot war

[pallid quiver]

Last I checked and hear, solid middle of the pack until next patch with current forecasts

I know Prot Pal does the most, and the rest of the tanks are somewhere not one of those two spots

iirc BDK is 2nd in damage?

[obsidian girder]

So basically stick with egg sac. It also offers more defence I guess

[pallid quiver]

It's generally a safer bet, but

if you are getting resets with it often, it will shoot past sac

problem is that you can't really control or account for that

since holding it to snipe isn't generally worth it

[bronze wraith]

Is the stam ring slot better than the master ring slot?

it is like 1800 mastery or 10k stam

[obsidian girder]

Got your point. Thanks for clarifying

[sick sentinel]

can anyone tell me roughly what percentage of a fury or arms warriors dps can i expect on prot while running around doing stuff in the open world?

[jagged gust]

Even with 639 in most slots, prot feels painfully slow compared to DPS

Couldn't say anything other than feels, though

[jagged gust]

Nah, Stam isn't a priority stat whatsoever

[pallid quiver]

If you run around as Prot, your main purpose in world content is to pull big as fuck since you can

so you should actually be doing more damage due to AOE

[bronze wraith]

I dont see any real jump save 5% mastery with the other. The stam one puts me at almost 12 million hp. This ring is confusing

[grim pilot]

Pwar loses a lot of dps if you copy high key talents people are playing

Also if youre playing sanlayn it can omega highroll

[past sedge]

Anyone know if Rive spell is parryable?

From GB

[jagged gust]

But as a prot war, you should never be in the situation where that extra HP is the difference between living and dying. So it gives you 9% more HP padding, but how often can you say you're down to 9% HP in the first place? Sure it has defensive value with pure HP and IP, but if you follow that logic you'd also be replacing all your gems, enchants and buffs with stam at a massive loss to your overall damage.

[tiny atlas]

Whats the general strategy for tanking the first boss in Siege of Boralus as a Prot War (or any Tank for that matter)? Do i always stay on Boss, do i go to boss with the adds after bomb explosion, do i ever go on boss?

[hardy snow]

was raid buff limit increased today or its 13,5% for now max?

[frozen berry]

Mark of Khardros or Skarmorak Shard better?

[jagged gust]

looks like the max is currently 104, so /16=6.5

so an off-buff week

[ancient reef]

whats the more dps oriented build then

[grim pilot]

Assuming you copied avg high key pwar you drop x2 shield walls for single for slightly more rage gen, drop disrupting shout for bloodsurge or bleed damage (likely first) and drop bsv for ravager

[cerulean tusk]

Probably the build the top ppl are doing within your metric

[wicked pollen]

^

[strong forum]

I like to kill off the ranged adds and then yeah stick to boss

Pay attention to the frontals of the melee adds to bait them away

[cyan bronze]

ok

let’s be so fr

2x shieldwall for single shieldwall isn’t entirely about the rage

you get more sw with single

double just lets you, double

[tiny atlas]

Good to know, ty-

[hardy snow]

I hope it will drop from some early boss

[wild chasm]

And that's not even it, because if you use it somewhat on cooldown you might not regen the 2nd use after using it up for the first time. So unless there's a very dangerous pull early in the dungeon I don't see a point in running it

[cerulean tusk]

Just doublechecking, ya get 100% SB uptime with HR, with sub 10% haste, ye?

[wild chasm]

I doubt anyone goes below 10% haste, but I guess it's possible?

[cyan bronze]

Correct

[cyan bronze]

Yah

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/yas-oh-yeah-gif-8949118530625394932

[cyan bronze]

You might? Be tight

but with sc and hr I think you can get it 100% with no haste?

@strong forum

corn form

[cerulean tusk]

Time to embrace mast/crit Col

before it gets ruined

[cyan bronze]

think haste still sims better than mast?

or

[cerulean tusk]

Ye, but haste doesnt make it crit tho

[cyan bronze]

i do kinda remember haste simming a bit worse than crit tho

colossus eats crit

[wild chasm]

It doesn't, but I'm not sure how it will work out with rage generation to be honest. Less haste, less devastators, less SS resets and so on

[cerulean tusk]

Just making sure my mental is ready for the next patch

Ya will feel like poop, nothing changed for me

[wild chasm]

So it might suck with not enough rage to spam revenges and put some IP on top

[cerulean tusk]

Bigbraintime

[cyan bronze]

?

[strong forum]

Crit means more parry which means more auto attack swings which means more devastator procs!

[cyan bronze]

ip

with colossus

ip

with colossus¿

[wild chasm]

That's why said "put some" and not "spam" as you do in thane

[cyan bronze]

u are insane if u think im moving my scroll wheel specced into colossus

[wicked pollen]

time to play crit mast prot

🙂

[cyan bronze]

any?

disgusting

gross even

[wicked pollen]

hi pookie

[strong forum]

Alright

[wicked pollen]

bring back yur old pfp

[cerulean tusk]

The full gear plan is go

[cyan bronze]

no i cant

I’m playing ark again bro

[wicked pollen]

okay?

[cyan bronze]

okay?

[strong forum]

They need to make money somehow

We don't judge

[cyan bronze]

just a preview!

[wicked pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/smoke-smoking-itsjadeyanh-jadeyanh-gif-15548819300352064460

[wild chasm]

There should be a reverse OF for men posting there- I won't stop sending you shit unless you pay not to see it

[cyan bronze]

sir

sir

sir that’s sexual harassment

[cerulean tusk]

Is it tho, when joining the site itself is a choice?

[wild chasm]

^

[cyan bronze]

hmm

real

if it’s to randoms it’s sh

[wild chasm]

It's not like I will be sending you extended car warranty cards whose you can find in a pocket of that forgotten jumper

[strong forum]

She can fix me

[cyan bronze]

? Why

[cyan bronze]

Buddy

She can’t fix herself

[wild chasm]

Is there actually fixing to be done?

[cyan bronze]

Also

Wtf are you talking about nom

Fix what

[strong forum]

[wicked pollen]

amen

[cyan bronze]

Your beautiful face? Your lovely demeanor? Your brilliance? Your kindness?

Like what

Idk if there’s anything to be fixed buddy

[cerulean tusk]

Diva is such a lill' cutiepuff

[cyan bronze]

Projection.

3>

[cerulean tusk]

Nice touch lovedough

[cerulean tusk]

This feels so very wrong

[hardy snow]

finally

[grim pilot]

Its not that bad in tww since u get 1min cdr on sw with double

In df u had longer cd on wall with double sw talent

Also I was talking on how to get more damage

Not which talent is better for key push

[cyan bronze]

ahh

ic

[mortal pecan]

Curious as to what people are doing this late in the season. Waiting for next season? Still pushing keys? Playing alts? Playing some other iteration of the game?

[grim pilot]

Mid season holiday break into push once ring is fully upgraded

• maintaining alts all the time outside of thst

Small alt push on ppal possibly mage and possibly fdk

[rain light]

gearing pally alt

[cerulean tusk]

Trying all the things you want to try. Be it things you know will work, but is suboptimal. Or things you know wont work, but is fun to just do

[tardy abyss]

Nah its still pretty bad

Still way less SWs overall

[jagged gust]

ew, who smokes inside their house?

[jagged gust]

Knocking out 100s in LFR for funsies

So far I have been robbed by ~2k DPS twice

[willow edge]

Working on a shadow priest alt. Waiting for friends to stop having lives so I can do keys again with them haha.

[mortal pecan]

nice nice

i somehow got sucked back into fresh classic

crazy hopping back and forth from retail to classic

[willow edge]

I’m playing classic fresh every few days to burn rested xp. Taking it cruisy. No plans to play tbc/wrath though.

[jagged gust]

Wrath is the one xpac I have entirely skipped

I should probably give it a try next merry go round

[willow edge]

Some people make out like its gods gift to warcraft. Having no nostalgia, played both. They were okay. Mind you I played classes that didnt change hugely. Maybe if I played a hunter or something i'd've been like "Wow omg my class is now super amazing to play"

[mighty valley]

Vanilla -> TBC had a bigger share of specs going from complete nonsense to actually playable

Wrath was mostly a big level up for questing and (some of) raiding

[pallid quiver]

It also had the biggest bump in advertising power, as well, to be completely honest

So WoW felt like something a bit more to people

[mighty valley]

Yeah, that guy from the box art of that other game you liked was back

[pallid quiver]

ozzy osbourne was on tv

[vital pollen]

Ulduar was a really cool raid, I'll die on that hill. But yeah, as a previous wotlk evangelist, I was disappointed playing it again. It just fell like retail with worse gameplay and no m+.

[wild chasm]

Well because back when it was fresh, there was nothing like it and it stood out. Now that we have more and better mechanics, it just feels a bit lackluster to be honest. But the memories are there still

[strong forum]

crazy having to play HR in keys again cuz of the ring

💀

[pallid quiver]

just call it a healer problem and run itf anyway

[indigo yoke]

That sad goodbye after an unbelievably smooth +++ 10 pug

https://tenor.com/view/crying-sad-sobbing-pain-goodbye-gif-8487568

[wild chasm]

If someone did good, add him/them and go for another one some other time

[indigo yoke]

yeah I've added a few folks but times almost never line up afterwards haha

but yes always try to

[grim pilot]

I dont play it, i havent felt the need to in any of the keys ive done (i tested it a couple of times but then switched back) but it did become a viable choice node in tww for when you need sws back to back (havent rly felt that need but okay)

[strong forum]

BRO

i just did 13DB as thane

i hate my life

0 damage

[grim pilot]

Havent played colossus yet

As prot at least

As arms maybe 4-5 keys, felt okay for a change but fury feels way too smooth to play arms atm in keys

[jagged gust]

Back in S4 when Arms was completely and utterly broken OP I must've received a good 30 requests, I don't have it in me to accept a group invite and let those poor bastards down

I'm just gonna live on in their memories

[strong forum]

on average colossus for me does 200-400k more dps

[indigo yoke]

lol

[cerulean tusk]

Col pumps dam if noone ruins your smash. Yet, Thane is just cozy and brwindead safe

[wild chasm]

I mean dps is one thing, but isn't being unkillable fun as well?

[indigo yoke]

Is it true we can heroic leap the pull from arakara final boss?

[cerulean tusk]

It true

[indigo yoke]

when do you leap?

[cerulean tusk]

O.9 sec

[jagged gust]

Your toon does a little hop animation

[wild chasm]

At 1 sec left she does the finall pull in, you get a little jump then. When you see that, you leap

[indigo yoke]

omfg

all this time man

[cerulean tusk]

Better late than never

[indigo yoke]

so many wipes because I wait for everyone to get on a puddle first

lol

[jagged gust]

Not just wars either

spread the word, be the change

[indigo yoke]

o7

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/7sfnipG.png

@sweet summit

smh

[wild chasm]

Lol, parses from october/november still holding up that high

[pallid quiver]

erga's joining me in the pits of the washed i was always washed

[cerulean tusk]

Ofc, you are the only lad doing a 13 smh

Come back with 20 logs

[strong forum]

its 13mists nobody is logging keys above 10s anymore

[pallid quiver]

i haven't even hit a 13 i'm so washed

maybe next season
or maybe next season is transmog farm

[cerulean tusk]

13-14 is where keys feel like a decent enough challenge for weekly vault fun. You should go for it

[wild chasm]

10 is enough of a challenge sometimes, if you go with people who peak at that level

[pallid quiver]

if that was directed at me, i haven't even hit a weekly vault key this entire season

I'm pretty sure I've been in less than 30 keys this season, even

i think like half of my keys were just recently with ghash

and those were mostly on alts

[cerulean tusk]

[jagged gust]

filthy pink warrior detected

[pallid quiver]

blue warrior, thank you

[wild chasm]

Nah I was refering to Funky's message just above mine

[pallid quiver]

oh i was responding to funky's message, too

[cerulean tusk]

You should do em tho

Fun

[pallid quiver]

I've mostly only been playing with friends, and the friends I've mostly played with outside of Ghash peake around current +5s or so

it was an interesting experience

They didn't even know about the key squish

and we very confused why a +5 was so hard

[cerulean tusk]

I would believe so, tho true low skill gamers are usually the most fun kind

[pallid quiver]

And they were like, "pffff, +10s ez"

and then we got heal checked week 1 on bosses

and then they got absorbed into school

and i cba enough to pug this season

so i just kinda stopped playing mostly

[cerulean tusk]

Actual just and fair chain of events

Tho, do 13s instead of 10s

[pallid quiver]

i'll get back to you once i've gotten into a 10 this season, which, since Ghash hasn't played recently,

seems like it's not going to happen

i'll just be content with farming parses in H raid with hilariously low ilvl

[cerulean tusk]

Still month left, ya got time a plenty

Gotta get your portals after all

[pallid quiver]

I keep telling myself I should do that for the portals

but eh

the only ones i care about are my old mop challenge ones

[cerulean tusk]

It is like an evening tho, kinda like getting curve. Speaking of, I don't have that this season

Guess I can't judge ya

[pallid quiver]

i don't have aotc, either

queen is so funny, she washes everyone

assuming the raid can get past 2nd boss or brood

I've had evokers yank people to the eggs and they heroic lept out to make sure they hit nothing

honestly pretty based

[cerulean tusk]

There wa no fancy 2h to get

So I just zzz

[pallid quiver]

it would've been neat for the ilvl early on

I'm confident in my ability to perform the fight, so I don't really care about the achievement, since that'd just be grinding until I find a raid competent enough to clear

or pay the like 40k or whatever

[cerulean tusk]

My experience was this, raid is dead, I jump off. Did that a night. Thought to myself, do I even find this fun?
Then didn't go back

Not raiding has been really refreshing

[pallid quiver]

I find touching raid a bit pretty fun, but grinding it out

ugh

That's why unless I'm intending on parsing, I play another game while raiding

what the hell else am i gonna do, mechanics?

not if i'm in as tank i'm not

[cerulean tusk]

I dunno, got burnt out on Tindal. Really nice fight, loved it. But... Watching lemmings do the same mistake for 1k pulls in P1...
Raid is just not worth it at times.

Now I got my sock and am freeeee

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, that's a good chunk of why I'm not in a guild

that and I can't be bothered to play this game on a schedule so much like way back in the day

[cerulean tusk]

Having no sched feels good

[jagged gust]

Most guild raids are held together by the glue of the absolute worst players you've ever met who also haven't missed a raid night in 2 years

[cerulean tusk]

As long they are lovely ppl, I am fine with it. If they also start critique others... Ay ai aiiiiiy.
Disaster

[pallid quiver]

honestly, I'd take critiquing others compared to the other things I've seen and heard

there's

there's a reason I generally avoid interacting with communities in this game as a basic rule

[cerulean tusk]

Spill 🍵

[jagged gust]

I mean, I'd love it if someone pointed out precisely how I could get better, that's a real teammate looking to help me improve

[pallid quiver]

it got automodded

if that makes you feel anything

[cerulean tusk]

If the guy who dies to the beam 7/10 pulls, get mad for others getting hit. Then I mad 😡

If ppl start telling others to play better, while being lower quality than turd contaminated dog water...

Ye. Nah

[pallid quiver]

At any rate, easier summary of the times I've been in VC for has been instances of domestic abuse

[jagged gust]

I get it, in the heat of the moment, though. "I finally don't fuck up and now someone else does" Just some people don't understand they're projecting in that scenario

[jagged gust]

oh dang, my last guild fr

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, when I talk about people tying their self-worth and ego too muich to the game,

that's the kind of thing I always think of

[jagged gust]

But anyways, advice is good, but people lacking self awareness lashing out at the world is the absolute worst

[pallid quiver]

People put way too much stake into WoW and they don't even realize

[cerulean tusk]

It do be a lifestyle hobby, generational even. So makes sense

[jagged gust]

I can honestly say ~ 1/2 my guild started playing wow because their parents got them in to it

[cerulean tusk]

To me, as my start was drinking choko milk and watching my brother play, it is unreal that I now see kids kids go online
It is a twisted mirror of life as a whole, trapped in a box

So I don't question why ppl invest so much into it

[pallid quiver]

It's not the time investment, it's people staking literally the entire value of their life on things going well for them in the video game

Like, if someone gets loot that you want, you have to threaten their life kinda deal

I've seen that a non-zero amount of times, too

[cerulean tusk]

That is just kid behaviour tho

[pallid quiver]

But that's exactly what I mean

It threatens their value as a person

[cerulean tusk]

Kids gonna kid

[pallid quiver]

The other thing is I've never seen an actual child do that

The people I've seen do that are parents and grown adults

I've seen them threaten children, even

Because it threatened their character's gearing progressing, meaning they're worth less than they could have been

[cerulean tusk]

You got siblings? If so you surely experienced the irrationality of the fights over what for a youngster felt important
Just add the fact there is no consequences for lashing out, and it gets reinforced.

[pallid quiver]

It's the same thing as people who put their self-worth into fighting games, too

It's extremely unhealthy

You can take pride in being good at a game, but like

don't beat your wife because alfred stood in a puddle, man, the same way you shouldn't if the cowboys lose in an american football game

but people do it anyway

I just wanna press buttons, hence the above where I just don't associate with people

i lurked in this chat for like a month before i started sending messages iirc

[idle needle]

thats pretty common, most people will never even send a message

granted its a bit different for communities that are primarily informational

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, I saw people weren't acting like other people I've seen, so I shot my shot in trying to talk to people

And overall, it's actually been pretty decent

I tend to like most of the people here, and I'm fond of all the staff members I've gotten to interact with

[idle needle]

yeah, I think the warrior discord is actually on the better side for class discord interactions

it wasn't always

but nowadays its pretty solid

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, it gets spicy in some of the other class discords I lurk in

[jagged gust]

I will say you do notice some regular folk get a bit snippy when a wave of new players comes through

[pallid quiver]

yeah

[idle needle]

yeah thats an eternal problem

[cerulean tusk]

Imagine joining skyhold and not rant about OF needing buffs. Smh. Wasted downtime
Skyhold has its ups and downs

[idle needle]

im guilty of it myself

[pallid quiver]

I try to help dissuade that, since I like seeing new players and helping people, and I'm also used to repeating info a lot

Since fighting game streams just end up like that, so a history of being a fight game player has just made me used to it

[cerulean tusk]

What I liked about skyhold was the fact there were some who did act that way, helping

While there was ofc a lot of "do it yourself, figure it out, go away" types. Overall this is a helpful place

[pallid quiver]

i'll 100% say that to an M raid lead who is illiterate and blaming their tanks for the raid lead's inability to heal tho

That was like S3 DF or something iirc

[cerulean tusk]

Those "log reviews" are always fun. Can you help find what my "friend" is doing wrong. Always get mad when you defend the friend

[pallid quiver]

In this specific scenario, the raid lead had sent his War Tank to go get checked out by us, like some kind of shame trip. After we pointed out that he was generally pretty fine, and pointed out the healer issues, there, uh,

Man came in and got a little miffy with everyone

iirc Jakey had a blast with that guy

Eventually the Prot War just gquit, and I believe he got grabbed by a different guild and had a more enjoyable time

[cerulean tusk]

A lovely little story. In general it is good that we treat eachother as parts of the same little community grouping

Makes some ppl happier, and that is a true good 👍

[ashen moss]

HELLO PROT ENJOYERS I AM NEWBIE DISGUSTING BLOOD DK MAIN HERE

big question only the most talented can answer

whats up with st rage gen

is it rng based or na cause sometimes i am just magically dumping all of it and getting 0 rage it feels like, others im shilling

@strong forum wait yes i can ping u now great prot wizard

[strong forum]

most of your rage gen comes from SS and SS alone

other times its from sending CDs like ravager, demo shout and shield charge

so your goal is to get SS resets via TC/Revenge/auto attacks

to keep the rotation going

[jagged gust]

Occasionally you do get a bit unlucky with a bad streak of no strategist procs

But you just need to plan for that and have rage pooled ahead of time

[stable grotto]

Funny enough, you missed one. Lmao

[violet ginkgo]

We don’t talk about that missed one.

[ionic fern]

Unsubbing.

[sweet summit]

sorry for being a stinky noober

nah it's joever

rework burst of power

that has the added benefit of maybe fucking with fury warrior stuff which would be funny

I do...

[jagged pier]

i mean the chatgpt ones ppl have linked have been better than those changes

still not good

but better

[ionic fern]

Gotta find the next high APM tank.

[jagged pier]

there isnt one

maybe we just and pray it never goes live

but we know from the past it will

[ionic fern]

Jeah

[jagged pier]

id honestly take IP back on the GCD over those changes

and that was horrendous

[ionic fern]

And then they will forget about Prot again for the next 10 patches and we're stuck with this crap.

[jagged pier]

no they will say theres far fewer prot warriors than other tanks

and say they are gunna rework it

then dont touch it for 10 patches

[sweet summit]

isn't pala basically just as high as war

[solar spear]

Is it worth swapping out spell block for bolster or something for NW and Ara kara? Doesn't look like many do it on warcraft logs but I don't think there's any big spell block abilities there?

[hardy snow]

even if it wont go live in this form, they already told us they dont like us having fun

[jagged pier]

think its like 10 less

and most if just spamming spinny hammers right?

[drowsy narwhal]

hey guys, how good is second wind as passive healing? i have it on but it seems most dont use it?

[jagged pier]

doesnt do much

[drowsy narwhal]

not even like for moments when you kite or inbetween pulls?

[jagged pier]

[solar spear]

I sometimes take it for CoT because of the kiting and any healing you can get, but not sure it's worth even then. Between pulls you'll generally be healed to before next pull unless you've got a dot on, in which case SW wouldn't activate.

[drowsy narwhal]

I see, time to swap it out then. So have 1 skill point to spend on. Intimadating Shout or Rumbling Earth (increasing Shockwave's range)?

thank you btw

[jagged pier]

u take the extra stop

[drowsy narwhal]

gotcha, shout it is then

tbh. i never know when i can use cc like in which cases

[solar spear]

Ideally you have comms communication, but it's a pack by pack thing, and I'd recommend getting omnicd so you can use your fear if everyone's interrupts are on cd

[simple oasis]

Good morning, wanna come back for s2 and try tanking for the first time. Is the nerf mostly an APM nerf, or will the class feel way weaker
Ty

[jagged pier]

[simple oasis]

Yea I checked and I don't know what significant st nerf means, what about aoe. Is it significant for top 0,1% ; weekly keys

[jagged pier]

well its a general statement for the spec

[jade sinew]

Hello new to war can someone tell me if its any good doing delves as prot for gearing or should i use fury

[jagged pier]

which ever spec u find easier to complete delves should be the one u use

delves technically a better source of gear than m+ till lvl 8

well bountiful delves

[solar spear]

Continuing on from my previous thought, for ara kara and necrotic wake could it be a good thought to drop champions bulwark and spell block in favour of bolster and ravager? Would like some feedback before I hop into a high key with it

[jagged pier]

as there are lots of casts in both

no u dont drop spell block

and u should be running ravager anyway

if u drp bulwark your making shield charge useless so u might as well drop that as well if u do that

[jade sinew]

@jagged pier i see thanks

[simple oasis]

As of now, does it make it really sub par. Or will it stay fine just less good?

[solar spear]

I think around the 14-15 range as I'm at and up, it's nice to have bsv over ravager just as a useful cooldown imo. And I don't think there are a lot of casts in either according to the spreadsheet, at least ones that aren't cast on random players?

[jagged pier]

depends what u mean by fine,
will it live in weekly keys and raid? yes
will it be fun to play? (subjective) but for majority of prot warriors no it wont be fun
will it do far less damage? yes

[solar spear]

Makes sense about shield charge though, so maybe that opens up something else too

[simple oasis]

Thank you, indeed bad timing to try prot for the first time. Hope more changes will balance this out

[tardy abyss]

Not more changes, a full revert

Making pwar slower removes its identity imo

[jagged pier]

dunno nomes doing 14s as colossus without BSV so dont think u need it tbh but if u want it u run it

[tardy abyss]

You defo dont need BSV on 15s as well

Honestly I dont think you need it until perhaps 17s

But even then, you know where you take a lot of damage

[simple oasis]

Yea I'm not expecting shit. I stopped this season for a reason

[wicked pollen]

hi jakey

im unleashed on prot warrior

[jagged pier]

[wicked pollen]

i did a colo key with 95% blcoked hits and +1m

[jagged pier]

[wicked pollen]

i also did an illegal key where i did the same as 2 of my dps

🙂

[jagged pier]

thats usual in weeklys nowadays

[wicked pollen]

i need to rpactice colo in higher keys

i need to also figure out how to pull around cds

[solar spear]

Alright still not really answering my point but whatever I'll try it out later

[wicked pollen]

bsv is a crutch

[jagged pier]

its literally pointless to take bolster u already should have pretty much have 90% blocked hits already higher if u actually try

so dropping something thats good mitigation against a lot in dungeons

[wicked pollen]

and most of the times does not prevent anything

[jagged pier]

for mroe block time makes 0 sense

[simple oasis]

Is colo troll or actually good, I used to play colo arms and it was very fun

[jagged pier]

it does more damage

weakier survivability wise

and harder skill ceiling

but the changes next patch basically killing it off

[simple oasis]

They hate fun

[jagged pier]

yes

[solar spear]

I am fine for blocking hits, but my point is for dungeons without much to spell block, more value has got be gotten from taking other talents, as there's a few options within the talent tree to reach effective 100% block uptime.

As for bsv being a crutch, its not if it's used as a cd instead of a cheat death, effectively allowing you to run higher keys than otherwise. 96% on archon use it. Even if was used as a crutch, surely not dying once in every few keys it might otherwise happen is surely worth it compared to an extra 5% damage (discounting potential extra dmg from rage generation).

It's all a little beside the point though. If you aren't getting value on certain dungeons from spell blocking hits, then surely there are other talents to be taken. What are you even spell blocking in ara kara? Poison and Web bolts and the aoe slams? Pretty non issue stuff as a tank no with sufficient interrupts? Especially seeing as we normally skip the slam guy before 2nd boss

[simple oasis]

I mean just play the talent if you want

[jagged pier]

so u follow archon for bsv

but then 95% of ppl use spell block in NW on archon ui question it

and 80% on ara ara

so must be useful in those keys

if most prot warriors are using it in them

[solar spear]

80% is a significant difference to 96% when many don't change talents dungeon to dungeon.

I'm trying to have a constructive conversation on potential improvements on builds for specific dungeons rather than following the cookie cutter (as someone with a fair bit of prot experience that often helps others in this channel) , but I see I'm not going to get anywhere with the dismissive attitudes, so I'll leave it here.

[jagged pier]

I mean not really dismissive i just used what u said about bsv, about spell block . 95% are using it in ara ara so must be useful right? and 80% is a massive number in favour of the majority not like its 50 50

running bolster if u want

but its pointless as u have enough blocked hits as is

same as spell block also being pointless in those keys but id rather have spell block to mitigate a fair few odd pot shots in any dungeon

than more blocked hits that i dont need at all

if your gunna argue that BSV is good because 96% of ppl use it on archon then argue that spell block is bad in one dungeon even tho for that dungeon 96% of prots use it. i dont understand your point of view your cherry picking your point of view

[solar spear]

80% means that 1 in 5 warriors are speccing out of SB for that key, whereas 96% means that only 1 in 25 are. So 5 times as many people are choosing to spec out of SB than BSV.

And the number for BSV is consistent across keys, unlike SB, despite the fact that many don't bother changing their build between different dungeons.

I think that indicates there is some percentage of people thinking along the same lines as I that spell block is not worth it for dungeons such as ara kara.

If the talent is not useful, surely there are other options in the talent tree that can provide better value, even if it requires reshuffling the tree a little bit to maximise value

If there is some way to pick up ravager when I wouldn't personally normally take it, then that is a large dps and rage generation increase.

Taking bolster and dropping shield charge was one way that I floated the possibility, but I can understand why that could be a bad idea from all sorts of ways, just getting the conversation going.

Hope that clears up where I'm coming from

[fallen spindle]

They are killing prot warr in s2 to make room for Gladiator spec ( its a lie )

[jagged pier]

its 85% in ara and over 90% pretty much 95% in every other dungeon for spell block. youve now only moved to ara when originally it was 2 dungeons. in reality as i keep sayign both dont really do anything in those dungeons but u need to get punish. because its too strong not to have. and mitigating magic damage when u can even if its just a few random bolts is far better than not mitigating it them at all to reduce damage we dont really struggle against. and u said it yourself 'I have enouhg blocked hits' so why u trying to add to it? u ither dont have enough or have enough and ither way if u are taking bolster to get more blocked hits because thats all it really gives as LS is garbage. u should just swap to HR and be done with it anyways

[tardy abyss]

The fact that Kiras warrior is still very far up the ladder says a lot about the reliability of archon for pwar

Very few that play this spec on a high rio, possibly only because they dont wanna reroll to ppal

Doesnt mean they know what theyre doing

[cerulean tusk]

Remind me to have AI scrape and give me a tldr of the wall above
This better be a discussion about spellblock now just being a passive

[solar spear]

🤣

[tribal wharf]

im so glad i never got to record this moment would have been villan arc

first time it dropped for me in zero party lost mind and everyone that joined for 20 minutes later instantly leaves learning that boss is dead

then, i run it on a key, and it drops and they are pre-rolling it off whos gunna get it

[tardy abyss]

When an alt is on an empty server and you cant find someone for a craft

[cerulean tusk]

Step one, get invited to guild of a friend crafter

[tardy abyss]

Are guilds fully region-wide?

[cerulean tusk]

As far as I know

My guild got horde and alliance, from Raven to Tarren Mill

Maybe it won't work cross language hub server lines? Doubt it would be a problem, but I never thought about that maybe being a thing

[jagged pier]

yes

[jagged pier]

ravencrest

[cerulean tusk]

Best server and you know it

[jagged pier]

[cerulean tusk]

You just yelly, that we got one semi decent guild left

[jagged pier]

norhten star used to be a poach fiesta dont know anymore

[cerulean tusk]

Probably not as bad, with things now opened up. One can hope

I wonder, what do non Raven ppl say about Raven? We unicorns like Magtheriodon?

All I know is Raven is the best

[sweet summit]

SODAX REFERENCE JOHNHOTNEZZ RAVENCREST HOLY MOLY

[cerulean tusk]

Potato 🥔

[dusk sphinx]

We'll get compensated for the rage generation loss regarding 11.1 right?.....right?

[jagged pier]

[grim pilot]

J. Hotnezz (pls inv for keys)

@light carbon

[dusk sphinx]

Don't do me like that Jakey

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/deer-interview-it-goes-without-saying-gif-12669775144079688963

[remote anchor]

youll compensate by logging in a different tank

[dusk sphinx]

watch it be DH season again already

[jagged pier]

ppala again atm i think

[dusk sphinx]

i wouldn't be surprised and the MW monk peak

[remote anchor]

i think it will always be pala if they arent alot less tanky

[jagged pier]

i mean yer

[jagged gust]

Still 2 months for them to buff Bear's tier set

[dusk sphinx]

i feel like they just yoinked the carpet away under us and now they're just laughing and pointing fingers while we lay there

but one can hope

[jagged pier]

nah it just clear the dev or intern that got given the job doesnt know the spec at all

[dusk sphinx]

watch them slam ppala too just before release and all tanks and healers is going to feel scuffed

[jagged pier]

thing is they want more ppl to play tank so they are making prot warrior 'easier' but thats not why ppl like it in the first place

[tribal wharf]

blizzard need this

[jagged pier]

they need to take more the responsibility off tanks

[tribal wharf]

prove real gamer before continue develop game

[jagged pier]

or just bring bac vengance buff

that will make more ppl play tank

[dusk sphinx]

as a dps main wanting to tank, they really need to peel off job assignments from tanks and healers, make dps more engaged

[jagged pier]

yer but most dps players dribble over their keyboard

and thats about the most they can do

[dusk sphinx]

brain too smooth

[tribal wharf]

https://doom-captcha.vercel.app/ o shit its real lmao

the sou nds is off :S

[dusk sphinx]

i just love how prot warrior feels in terms of thunder clapping and resets surely they'll compensate us

[jagged pier]

i mean that kinda wont change much

just be slower

[dusk sphinx]

i want faster, more clappers

but i do get their point about the changes tho

[jagged pier]

yer same
ppl meme they want glad back but dont remeber that it used to be 120apm

so it for sure not coming back now

[tardy abyss]

120apm sounds fun

[jagged pier]

i mean SLs was 110

we were close

[dusk sphinx]

prot warrior with outlaw APM

[jagged pier]

but then again u actually heroic leaped in your rotation as glad

that wasnt too fun tbh

[hardy snow]

imagine having 100 apm today

[dusk sphinx]

my brain still farts and i engage packs with leap instead of charge or shield charge

[jagged pier]

I FUCKING WISH

[hardy snow]

meanwhile blizz want us to have 10apm

[jagged pier]

the kicker will be giving us banner back with the changes, wont have enough rage to keep it up enough to be useful

[tribal wharf]

banner is, i wanted to like it

[hardy snow]

dont give them more advices how to destroy us XD

[dusk sphinx]

what if they combine roar and Ravager

[tribal wharf]

fushrodo

[sweet summit]

mods unban the goat

[sick sentinel]

can anyone explain underwhat circumstances i should run the talent into the frey instead of heavy repercussions?

[sweet summit]

with high haste (~35% before itf buff) you get enough shield block uptime from into the fray so that you don't need hr. into the fray is always better for damage

[jagged pier]

you can run ITF whenever u want for more damage, but be aware u wont always have max stacks of it depending on group comp or pull size etc.
its at around 18k haste rating unbuffed it starts to 'compete' with HR in terms of blocked hits (its still less but eh)
with the new ring 18k haaste is really tough to get to so if u run ITF you run it just knowing u will take some unmitigated hits

but u can still get around 90% blocked hits with ITF and new ring more if u put in effort

the TLDR is if u want to do more damage u run it always just be aware u need to manage shield block a little more after 18k rating u can always run it 👍

[orchid frigate]

just did an ara-kara and the first boss jumped away to the little spooders that were coming

havent seen that he does that

why and how can i avoid it from happening?

[jagged pier]

when the smallies get to close he will eat them

so u just stay away from them

i.e go away from the eggies

[orchid frigate]

was very far away from them

boss jumped over the half platform to get to them

[jagged pier]

[orchid frigate]

can it be someone that taunted?

abom limb?

[sweet summit]

did you log?

[jagged pier]

that wouldnt taunt boss

[orchid frigate]

kk

[jagged pier]

does dps grip have taunt attached to it

could be that maybe

[sweet summit]

nah

[jagged pier]

could have gripped a smallie close

[orchid frigate]

might

[jagged pier]

if he eats one he kinda keeps going i think

[orchid frigate]

ah well, nothing i could have done in that situation

anoying since everyone insta left :p

[jagged pier]

did u log?

[orchid frigate]

yeah think so

but newly installed computer and dont want to hassle with uploading logs and stuff

[proud blade]

Brand new to tanking. Does facing all of the mobs actually make a difference?

[jagged pier]

yes

you cant parry, block, dodge anything from behind u

only thing that reduces that damage is like armour or cds, but as if u dodge parry u just dont take the hit at all, and if u block u can mitigate upto 85% of physical damage from just that alone. sometimes 100% if u lucky with spell block

so you always want to face what you tank

[proud blade]

Omg this makes so much sense on some pulls I feel indestructible and some I feel like paper

Literally been tanking for like 5 days and this helps so much

[jagged pier]

[chilly brook]

I don’t meme that I want it back, I do want it back

[jagged pier]

your hand too old for it now, same with mine

👴

[chilly brook]

True man I’m about to be 29

[jagged pier]

fuck griff is younger than me

im actually fucking old

[chilly brook]

I’m a boomer

You’re ancient

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/so-old-gif-27277116

[keen leaf]

this happens if u leap away too far too, the boss "loses" you

[orchid frigate]

aaah i see

[keen leaf]

Ive had him melee a dps because I leaped too far before

[worldly jetty]

any good how-to-play-prot-in-M+ vids people would recommend? just getting started and need some guidance

[pallid quiver]

Really,

It's the same as playing it in raid, except you're interrupting things now

The latter is more important, and that's spec agnostic

[velvet acorn]

hey gamers, whats the general spec that is played rn for prot?

im mainly doing m+

[tardy abyss]

Basically what the guides have

[velvet acorn]

im new to this expa so id like to know what people like to run

[velvet acorn]

oh i see, ive seen people run colussus in m+ is this a preference thing?

[jagged pier]

Yes

[pallid quiver]

Basically it does damage at the cost of survival

If you don't need the extra rage to live, you can opt to just send more damage into the pool

[wooden widget]

I’m on my phone. Anyone know how far apart each liquify is?

[sick sentinel]

can anyone tell me how big of an issue is going with tough as nails talent over spell block?

[jagged pier]

U loose alot of magic mitigation. To gain literally 0 damage

[brittle owl]

ur a literal baby

[chilly brook]

nah I'm a boomer

my reaction time is already slow af

[brittle owl]

👶

[shut summit]

[violet ginkgo]

about 45 - 50 secs?

[wooden widget]

Ok so I can shield wall each one I just gotta take aegis 😦

Wait

https://tenor.com/view/bookio-gif-13932157847762104386

[violet ginkgo]

If you take liquify everytime spellblock does better

in case your shield wall isn't up.

[jagged pier]

i think its a 1:30

so u can spell block each one

or every other

getting to queen just before christmas means 2 weeks to actually do any prog on the boss

[tribal wharf]

what i want in wow again is the ability to destroy keystone from inventory

i remembe we would get tol dagor or something bad and we'd delete it

[wooden widget]

Oooh ok ty all ill report back after im done getting chunked tonight

[pallid quiver]

There's 3 that come out; 1 and 3 are 1.5 mins apart exactly, with 2 happening somewhere around 40s after the first iirc (on mythic at least)

You can shield wall every tank buster if Thane and playing well with Imp Wall, and can spell block 1 and 3

You can't use SR unless you have some other plan for immuning roots on any of them iirc

[pallid quiver]

So your CD rotation can depend on whether you're taking all three of a buster or swapping off who gets hit

But if you're playing well, 100% can shield wall every tankbuster

I believe Sense was doing that while taking all three feasts in his logs?

[wooden widget]

Gotcha. I am taking every liquify

[blazing condor]

yall old asf

[stoic rose]

question: i got asked during heroic queen as to whether its better for a prot war to take liquefy or feast and was not sure which is better, i ended up taking the feasts each time and they took the liquefy, was that right or should i have taken the liquefy instead?

[novel steeple]

As a certified AoTC hero I can say it doesn't really matter on heroic. We ( my guild ) only get two rounds of tank busters. I take first liquify with Spell Block and the second Feast with Shield wall. We have zero issues.

I'd say do what works for you and your tank buddy

[stoic rose]

ok thank you

[pallid quiver]

That being said, with spell block alone on heroic, you can almost immune liquefy, so

[novel steeple]

for sure

[novel steeple]

That's why I stick my behind in Heroic and chill at doing 10s.

[leaden mantle]

Im new to tanking. What gives me the most survivability? Shield ilvl?

[sick sentinel]

how big of a deal is not running champions spear on prot?

im pretty bad at dealing with a large number of keybinds so im trying to trim down what i can

[grim pilot]

Your choice kinda is between thunderous roar and between champions spear

By deleting either you’re forced to run the other one, if you want not to play any of them then I think it’s a substantial loss and I’m not aware of any of the builds not playing either

[sick sentinel]

what about shield charge or ravager on the prot tree, are they also significant dps losses if dropped?

[grim pilot]

Yes, but what high m+ players are doing is dropping ravager for battle-scarred veteran to get shitty version of a cheat death and while its not most optimal if having keybinds is your issue and youre new to prot you could drop ravager tor that talent. But considering youre only worried about having keybinds and not about getting different value from a talent id suggest making new keybinds first of all

[sick sentinel]

these are the keybinds I am currently using, not too sure what other keys i could add, although I also have a few i simply click with the cursor

[grim pilot]

Shift and control modifier and

Shift 1-4, q-v, same goes with cntrl

[pallid quiver]

without even going too far, you still can have z and x, as well as 5. Then, shift binds for all the keys you don't already have. Then, ctrl or alt binds, whichever you find more comfy or even both if you want to add even more binds, for all the keys

Without even adding on Z, X, or 5, adding on ctrl or alt modifiers will give you 16 more binds

With shift binds for everything there you don't have binds for, that's 13 more binds

If those are all completely off the table, I, uh,

have you considered playing on a controller and using the controller addon support things that are floating around instead

[lean aurora]

I’ve recently worked Shift+spacebar into rotation and it’s a fun key bind as well.

[pallid quiver]

modifiers on space are cursed because it affects your ability to optimally jump constantly, no matter the circumstances

[round wolf]

I jump with caps lock leaves spacebar open to options

Has there been any theory crafting on where warrior will stand next season

[pallid quiver]

currently bad, but there's still, like, an entire PTR sessions that can invite changes

You'll still have 100% block uptime, so they spec'll live fine and all

but your damage is going into the dirt and the class would be stuck in a bog in current conditions

[novel steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/keep-the-faith-baby-rep-adam-clayton-powell-rustin-hold-on-to-your-belief-my-friend-remain-steadfast-in-your-faith-dear-one-gif-7643170888733502736

[jagged gust]

Self healing will also absolutely plummet, which aligns with blizz's intended tank sustain philosophy

[pallid quiver]

we're losing 1% leech, too, in addition to the hit to indom

the pain and suffering from the 1% of leech

[rigid yew]

new season of M+ looking worse every blue post
are they trying to kill the game off

[strong forum]

NAH BRO

people surely love

more and more mechanics

and HATE dungeons where you can just clump up mobs

mow them down

we NEED more mechanics than raid

[pallid quiver]

I like having some mechs on trash

but i don't like every single individual mob having in-depth mechs that the game doesn't list easily visible in game

I'm still not sure how I feel about most bosses; they seem fine as a whole, even if some are less than fine

[hazy bronze]

Fax. Those mechagon changes are so bad

[cerulean tusk]

There is a balance between having too few things going on, and far too many.
Sometimes I feel they try to overcomplicate simple things that are just fun, in the name of this balance ⚖️

Fun usually takes the backseat in WoW design. Weirdly enough

Maybe goal is to stop huge pulls. To free class design up. Yet, I doubt we ever will see a fun world where you pull 5 mobs at a time